[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread Phil Bickford
Nice to look at - old-timey and all.

Works with a ten speed chains?  Mmmm  I wouldn't want to have to make
it work. 4mm width, must get tapered some for the teeth though.

Lets see, for $299.99 one could get a Campy alloy cross crank that was
built for ten speed systems, but has full pins and machined ramping to
aid shifting on the 46/36 rings. Made by a fairly good quality
manufacturer. But doesn't look 100 years old.

Quite light weight though - 540grams without the bolts.  Wonder how
they did that? Must be the near net forging that produces a piece with
less materials. Less machining necessary. Interesting.

Maybe they'll test them.

Phil B

 I think they are spectacular, have been waiting for months for them to
 become available and want to purchase multiple sets.

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[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread Michael Hechmer
So the WI cranks are cnc machined, so what. I've never heard of a WI crank 
failure, and if one did fail I'm certain WI would make good on it, no 
question. The 8 mm of additional Q is insignificant, as is the 100 g.

In the last issue of BQ, Jan Heine admitted that two bikes with 8 lbs of 
difference in weight rode very similarly, yet he always comments on a few 
grams of weight difference when he reviews the best of contemporary US mfg. 
like Pauls and Whites.  I don't get why he does that.

I have the WI VCB Road Cranks on my Rambouillet and absolutely love them. 
 I also have the DaVinci Cranks, mfg. by White Ind, on both my tandem and 
my Ebisu and they are great cranks.  The Tandem even has a nice (used ) set 
of WI rings, which are very strong and shift very well.

There are a number of US manufacturers making great bicycle parts and I for 
one would rather support them than chase after historic parts that wont 
function any better or last any longer, or look any nicer.

michael
take care of Self; it's one of a kind and irrreplaceable

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[RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help

2011-12-15 Thread Michael Hechmer
Yikes, front tire flats are scary; I hope these were slow leaks.  Is the 
stem breaking away from the tube?  Are you using tubes with threaded stems 
and a locknut?  I know a lot of mechanics throw away that locknut, claiming 
its superfluous, but I believe it helps to keep the tube in position, at 
least during installation.  Do you have, or can you borrow a different 
front wheel and test your rim hypothesis?

michael

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[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread Jan Heine
 Works with a ten speed chains?  Mmmm  I wouldn't want to have to make
 it work. 4mm width, must get tapered some for the teeth though.

Most high-quality chainrings step down at the teeth to a thinner width
than the main body of the ring. Even in 1938, when the original Herse
cranks were introduced, 4- and 5-speed chains were not 4 mm thick on
the inside. (The exact measurement for 5-speed is 2.38 mm.) So the new
rings are the same as the originals from the 1970s (which used modern
chainring bolts instead of bolts and nuts), except that the teeth are
a little bit thinner, and shaped a little differently to optimize
shifting.

 Quite light weight though - 540grams without the bolts.  Wonder how
 they did that?

By putting material where it is needed, and nowhere else. Compared to
the originals, we added a little material around the pedal eye (where
cranks tend to break) and went to a net-shape forging process to
ensure the strength in that area. (The originals were even lighter,
but we figured adding a few grams to increase the strength would be
prudent.) The downside of the net-shape forging process is that you
need a separate forging die for each length, but I would not be
comfortable riding such a lightweight crank where grain structure
around the pedal eye had been weakened by machining the crank to
length.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?

2011-12-15 Thread Bill M.
Philip,

Can you tell us what happens when the S3X doesn't work, and how often
that is?

Bill

On Dec 14, 6:29 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
wrote:
 My experience with the S3X has been mixed. I like it when it works.
 A Surly Dingle fixed cog (17/21) will also give you what you want, if
 you like to ride fixed. I've used the 40/32 stock QB gear with the
 17/21 and really liked it. The single-sided gear change can take as
 little as 15 seconds.

 Currently you have: 40/30 x 17/19 for 64 and 43 gears
 One possibility: 40/28 x 17/21 for 64 and 36 gears. The lower low is
 nice, but I like a taller top end for a fixed gear.

 If you prefer coasting, you could spread the frame to 130 or 135 and
 set up a nice cassette 2-speed in any combo you want.

  Philip

 Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com

 On Dec 14, 2:35 pm, Tim Whalen whalen...@gmail.com wrote:







  Joe, Your snark comment made me laugh, thanks, and thanks for looking up
  the RR.  I'll dig it out.

  Thanks also Ray, Eric, Larry and Jim.  All of your good ideas give me a lot
  to research and experiment with.  I think there is a solution in there
  somewhere and really appreciate your help!

  Good riding,
  Tim

  On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
   Ah, found it. RR36. The derailered QB was a 40/24 with an 18 freewheel. It
   did have a front derailer, but that seems like a needless complication to
   me.

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[RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help

2011-12-15 Thread Philip Williamson
I had a string of tubes failing at the valve stem. I think it was
caused by the tube creeping when the tire pressure was too low.
Sometimes it was a hole, sometimes it was more like the valve attachem
started peeling up. Hard to patch a tube that close to the valve stem.

Do you see your valve stems cocked over at an angle? That's what I was
seeing on my mountain bike. I started being more careful about proper
inflation, and started using the dork nuts instead of keeping them for
M6 spacers. I haven't had that problem since.

 Philip
Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Dec 15, 5:25 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yikes, front tire flats are scary; I hope these were slow leaks.  Is the
 stem breaking away from the tube?  Are you using tubes with threaded stems
 and a locknut?  I know a lot of mechanics throw away that locknut, claiming
 its superfluous, but I believe it helps to keep the tube in position, at
 least during installation.  Do you have, or can you borrow a different
 front wheel and test your rim hypothesis?

 michael

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[RBW] Re: A day in the life of a Saluki

2011-12-15 Thread islaysteve
Great story Bill.  Good for you for representing Rivendell so well in your 
town.  I hope you can post some pix of the bike, and also the published 
promo photos when available.  Cheers, Steve
 

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[RBW] Re: Coachella Valley Riding

2011-12-15 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
That sounds great, Eric, thanks.

David G, Madison WI

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 David:

 I've done some riding in the Coachella Valley when I stayed in Palm
 Springs for work.  My favorite ride was to climb to the Palm Springs Aerial
 Tramway and then ride the tram to the top. The climb from the highway to
 the tram station is challenging--it's a steady grind that climbs some 1,500
 feet as I recall.

 At the tram station, get the Ride and Dine pass ($36, and available at
 http://pstramway.com/tickets.html), which gets you a round trip ticket to
 the top and a meal in the cafeteria in the station on the mountain.

 If you time your ride correctly, you can be at the top as the sun is
 setting and the lights are coming on in the valley below. It's quite
 beautiful (but be prepared for cold at the top).

 Once you get back down on the tram, you can coast almost all the way back
 to Palm Springs or Palm Desert.

 --Eric N
 Sent from my iPad2 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help

2011-12-15 Thread Sean Whelan
Several years ago, I was using a traditional brass Silca presta pump head (of 
the sort that you can buy from Harris Cyclery). It is a great pump head, but it 
has no locking mechanism, so it is full on secure with no release. In fact, it 
locked so tightly on to the threaded Presta valves that I often suffered flats 
at the seam where the valve joins the tube. Not necessarily at the time of 
inflation.

I switched pump heads to a less tight fit - including ones with a lever. 
(Serfas, SKS, etc.) and the flat problem went away.

When you pump up, is there a lot of friction to remove the pump head?

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Thu, 12/15/11, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 10:36 AM
 I had a string of tubes failing at
 the valve stem. I think it was
 caused by the tube creeping when the tire pressure was too
 low.
 Sometimes it was a hole, sometimes it was more like the
 valve attachem
 started peeling up. Hard to patch a tube that close to the
 valve stem.
 
 Do you see your valve stems cocked over at an angle? That's
 what I was
 seeing on my mountain bike. I started being more careful
 about proper
 inflation, and started using the dork nuts instead of
 keeping them for
 M6 spacers. I haven't had that problem since.
 
  Philip
 Philip Williamson
 www.biketinker.com
 
 
 On Dec 15, 5:25 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Yikes, front tire flats are scary; I hope these were
 slow leaks.  Is the
  stem breaking away from the tube?  Are you using
 tubes with threaded stems
  and a locknut?  I know a lot of mechanics throw away
 that locknut, claiming
  its superfluous, but I believe it helps to keep the
 tube in position, at
  least during installation.  Do you have, or can you
 borrow a different
  front wheel and test your rim hypothesis?
 
  michael
 
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[RBW] Coachella Valley Riding

2011-12-15 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
Thanks for the tip, Jim.
We will bring our Wisconsin garments with us.

David G, Madison WI


On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just so you know, Joshua Tree is high desert, and it can be covered in
 snow in January. Average temps in January are hi 60 / low 30, but it can be
 much colder. If you do the Palm Springs tram up the mountain, be aware that
 it will be snowy at the top, it's 8500' up a 10,000' mountain. You can x-c
 ski or snowshoe from the tram stop. The town of Idylwild is a quaint stop;
 it's a good ride from the valley in the summer but not really possible in
 the winter.

 jim m
 wc ca




 On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, David Yu Greenblatt 
 david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am also going to California for the first week of January, to Palm
 Desert, and plan to either bring a bike or rent one there. Have any of you
 cycled in the Coachella Valley? I'd appreciate any recommendations for
 biking routes or other things to do. I will be there with family including
 4 and 7 year old children. I do plan to make a trip to Joshua Tree National
 Park.

 Thanks,

 David G, Madison WI




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[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread Philip Williamson
On Dec 15, 8:18 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 So the WI cranks are cnc machined, so what. I've never heard of a WI crank
 failure, and if one did fail I'm certain WI would make good on it, no
 question. The 8 mm of additional Q is insignificant, as is the 100 g.

I have, second hand, six years ago, from one source, heard of four
failures. The guy who mentioned the failures rode the ENO cranks and
thought 4 failures was a small number. If you called White Industries,
they'd probably tell you how many cranks they've produced and how many
they've warrantied.

Agreed on the Q and weight. Also agree on the Made In Petaluma appeal.

 Philip

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Carradice Camper / Sackville comparisons

2011-12-15 Thread Manuel Acosta
Go with the sackville. I've have both. I've lost my wallet with my
carradice side pockets on a ride from marin. I've had to juryrig my
carradice when I would ride without fenders.  My sackville is much
more versatile. Very well thought out.

On Dec 14, 10:30 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have both bags, actually all three, don't ask why. I use them all with
 the Nitto R-14 rack. The Carradice rests on the rack but sags on both sides
 around it. I can also feel the edges of the top behind the saddle with my
 butt. Both Sackville SaddleSacks become invisible (I don't feel them at
 all) when on the bike and I like them both, but of the two, I've fallen in
 love with the large one that I now use for commuting.

 I like the Carradice for leisure rides because of the two side pockets but
 feel it is less practical for commuting. Haven't tried using it without the
 anitto rear rack. It also goes very well with my Nitto Big Rear smaller
 rack, which I can use on the Hunqapillar de to the higher placed seat stay
 braze-on which in turn allow the rack to fall right below the saddle loops.
 The larger version falls behind the saddle loops and the top section
 interferes with the bottom of the SaddleSacks.

 If I had to choose only one and give the others away, I'd probably stay
 with the large SaddleSack. If I only could have two, I'd add the Carradice
 Camper.

 Hope this helps,

 René

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[RBW] Re: Coachella Valley Riding

2011-12-15 Thread dougP
When planning a ride up the tramway, take a look at the times of
moonrise / moonset also.  We had the good fortune to come down the
tram a couple of hours after moonrise, on a full moon.  During the
winter, the air is cold  clear and the moon can light up the valley
in spectacular fashion.

dougP

On Dec 15, 8:19 am, David Yu Greenblatt
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the tip, Jim.
 We will bring our Wisconsin garments with us.

 David G, Madison WI



 On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
  Just so you know, Joshua Tree is high desert, and it can be covered in
  snow in January. Average temps in January are hi 60 / low 30, but it can be
  much colder. If you do the Palm Springs tram up the mountain, be aware that
  it will be snowy at the top, it's 8500' up a 10,000' mountain. You can x-c
  ski or snowshoe from the tram stop. The town of Idylwild is a quaint stop;
  it's a good ride from the valley in the summer but not really possible in
  the winter.

  jim m
  wc ca

  On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, David Yu Greenblatt 
  david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:

  I am also going to California for the first week of January, to Palm
  Desert, and plan to either bring a bike or rent one there. Have any of you
  cycled in the Coachella Valley? I'd appreciate any recommendations for
  biking routes or other things to do. I will be there with family including
  4 and 7 year old children. I do plan to make a trip to Joshua Tree 
  National
  Park.

  Thanks,

  David G, Madison WI- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread William
 The reasons for the proprietary bolt circle are simple: None of the
common bolt circles allow useful combinations like 48-32 and 46-30.

That's not exactly true as stated.  Some of us run 94/58 triple cranks as 
compact doubles.  Perhaps that doesn't qualify as common but there are at 
least a dozen brand names of rings I can buy.  I'm running one of those 
cranks with a 44/30 and the other with a 46/29 on the 94mm circle.  The 
appeal (to me) of the Herse format is that it allows you to go even 
smaller, like 44/28 or 42/26, or the 40/24 made popular in Riv circles by 
Keven.  In addition, you (Jan) have made the case that five arms is just 
plain-old superfluous, a historical accident more than anything else.  

Some people think it's a contradiction or even hypocrisy that Jan is a 
gram-counter sometimes and a heavy-bike apologist at other times.  Cripes! 
 His new bike has a 28-hole Schmidt generator hub!  I take the conflict 
slightly differently.  While Jan says that several pounds of cargo don't 
make a huge qualitative difference in feel while riding, he's got a thing 
about carrying unnecessary weight.  Add weight if and where it is needed, 
and nowhere else.  

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RE: [RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help

2011-12-15 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Why is that not advisable? 

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Horace
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:45 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help

Are you tightening the nut lock all the way to the rim? If so, stop doing that.


On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Several years ago, I was using a traditional brass Silca presta pump head (of 
 the sort that you can buy from Harris Cyclery). It is a great pump head, but 
 it has no locking mechanism, so it is full on secure with no release. In 
 fact, it locked so tightly on to the threaded Presta valves that I often 
 suffered flats at the seam where the valve joins the tube. Not necessarily at 
 the time of inflation.

 I switched pump heads to a less tight fit - including ones with a lever. 
 (Serfas, SKS, etc.) and the flat problem went away.

 When you pump up, is there a lot of friction to remove the pump head?

 Thanks,
 Sean

 --- On Thu, 12/15/11, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 10:36 AM I had a string of tubes 
 failing at the valve stem. I think it was caused by the tube creeping 
 when the tire pressure was too low.
 Sometimes it was a hole, sometimes it was more like the valve 
 attachem started peeling up. Hard to patch a tube that close to the 
 valve stem.

 Do you see your valve stems cocked over at an angle? That's what I 
 was seeing on my mountain bike. I started being more careful about 
 proper inflation, and started using the dork nuts instead of keeping 
 them for
 M6 spacers. I haven't had that problem since.

  Philip
 Philip Williamson
 www.biketinker.com


 On Dec 15, 5:25 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Yikes, front tire flats are scary; I hope these were
 slow leaks.  Is the
  stem breaking away from the tube?  Are you using
 tubes with threaded stems
  and a locknut?  I know a lot of mechanics throw away
 that locknut, claiming
  its superfluous, but I believe it helps to keep the
 tube in position, at
  least during installation.  Do you have, or can you
 borrow a different
  front wheel and test your rim hypothesis?
 
  michael

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[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread Phil Bickford
I've not heard of any WI failures either and I live 15 miles up the
road. I wonder if the failures occurred during developmental testing?
In which case four failures are relatively few.

CNC machining seems to be what domestic machinists find cost effective
- Paul uses it as well, and I like to buy locally produced stuff. So I
might buy a set of WI if I had the cash and actually needed a new
crank. I wouldn't be particularly happy about the pinned and ramped
BLACK chainrings, but I'd rather bet my teeth on a WI than with an
unproven lightly produced forged crank.

Box Construction - does that describe the crank arm cross section
after material is removed from the inside?

Phil B

On Dec 15, 9:57 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On Dec 15, 8:18 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the WI cranks are cnc machined, so what. I've never heard of a WI crank
  failure, and if one did fail I'm certain WI would make good on it, no
  question. The 8 mm of additional Q is insignificant, as is the 100 g.

 I have, second hand, six years ago, from one source, heard of four
 failures. The guy who mentioned the failures rode the ENO cranks and
 thought 4 failures was a small number. If you called White Industries,
 they'd probably tell you how many cranks they've produced and how many
 they've warrantied.

 Agreed on the Q and weight. Also agree on the Made In Petaluma appeal.

  Philip

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[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread William
White Industries has a very entertaining flickr feed showing several of 
their production processes.  There is a shot of the backside of some ENO 
cranks to show how the arms are hogged out.  

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[RBW] Attaching a dyno-light to a Nitto Big Front Rack

2011-12-15 Thread jandrews_nyc
Hi,
I have a Nitto Big Front Rack on my Hillborne and would like to mount
my BM Cyo on the side of the rack, ahead of where you'd normally hang
a pannier.  The rack only has a hole in the very front and center of
the rack, which does not seem ideal for me.  Are there any well made
clamps or work-arounds that any of you have encountered along the
way?  I'd love to employ the Rene Herse bracket, but I would need to
somehow clamp it around the tubular steel.
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelux/Detail
Thanks for your suggestions in advance,
Jason

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RE: [RBW] Attaching a dyno-light to a Nitto Big Front Rack

2011-12-15 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Why not ideal?  I mount a Supernova there on my Atlantis, and it works 
extremely well -- never any blockage of the beam, which is at a good height and 
provides excellent illumination.  Here's a side pic: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815789426/in/set-72157624427413755  
And from the front, showing the mount:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815790104/in/set-72157624427413755/

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Subject: [RBW] Attaching a dyno-light to a Nitto Big Front Rack

Hi,
I have a Nitto Big Front Rack on my Hillborne and would like to mount my BM 
Cyo on the side of the rack, ahead of where you'd normally hang a pannier.  The 
rack only has a hole in the very front and center of the rack, which does not 
seem ideal for me.  Are there any well made clamps or work-arounds that any of 
you have encountered along the way?  I'd love to employ the Rene Herse bracket, 
but I would need to somehow clamp it around the tubular steel.
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelux/Detail
Thanks for your suggestions in advance,
Jason

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Re: [RBW] Re: New to the group – First Post! Tire Review, Saddle Swap

2011-12-15 Thread Steven Frederick
Heh, the Caramel color of the Saluki was based (indirectly) on my cat, Grub:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/6407441069/in/photostream

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 Thank you. I think that color is Persimmon in Dupontese; I wanted to
 approximate the color of a chestnut horse--they nailed it!

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Re: [RBW] Attaching a dyno-light to a Nitto Big Front Rack

2011-12-15 Thread William
+1 that front and center is terrific.  

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[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread stevep33
FWIW, 

The Sugino OX801D cranks are terrific.  They are nicely finished, shift 
effortlessly, don't weigh too much, come with a BB and have common BCD.  
Highly recommended!  

Oddly, domestic suppliers don't seem to stock the interesting chainring 
combinations or non-silver finish.  However, you can get a sub $500 price 
(incl. intl shipping) and any color or chainring combo if you order from 
AlexsCycle.com in Japan.

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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 12:59 -0800, stevep33 wrote:
 FWIW, 
 
 The Sugino OX801D cranks are terrific.  They are nicely finished,
 shift effortlessly, don't weigh too much, come with a BB and have
 common BCD.  Highly recommended!  
 
 Oddly, domestic suppliers don't seem to stock the interesting
 chainring combinations or non-silver finish.  However, you can get a
 sub $500 price (incl. intl shipping) and any color or chainring combo
 if you order from AlexsCycle.com in Japan.

And would they be better in any way than the Rene Herse cranks?



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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread stevep33
The RH cranks are probably outstanding.  I see the Sugino OX801D as 
functionally similar - low Q, low weight, 46/30 or similar chainrings.  

The differences relate more to one's personal taste:
- classic vs modern appearance
- square taper BB vs Hollowtech/outboard bearing BB
- silver vs choice of silver/black
- 171 arm length vs choice of 160-175 arm length

One thing that always bugged me about the TA Pro 5 Vis is that they flex 
noticeably under load.  The Sugino OX801D cranks are stiff.  I wonder how 
the RH cranks feel.  Again, this aspect may be a matter of personal taste.

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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread William
 - silver vs choice of silver/black

Don't forget the Sugino offers the choice of BLUE RED or *GOLD *chainrings, 
too!  I'm sure Steve Palinscar's MAP would look just delightful with 
colorful chainrings.  Kidding! Kidding!


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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread stevep33
The blue, red and gold chainrings come with a pair of very tight jeans and 
an ironic mustache.

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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread Ryan Ray


  I see the Sugino OX801D as functionally similar - low Q, low weight, 
 46/30 or similar chainrings.  


Not at all. The main draw for the RH cranks for me is the ability to run 
48/30, 48/28 but the Sugino OX801D can only go down to 34 like regular old 
110 cranks.

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[RBW] Re: Retroshift is now available

2011-12-15 Thread Ryan Ray
Such a cool idea! Most people have these ideas and never follow though. 
Nice work!



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[RBW] Re: A great link to the best overview I've seen on lighting systems

2011-12-15 Thread climbthemtns
Kelly:

Glad to have your input.  A great 2 cents worth!   Goes to show how
various blog reviews can be biased  outdated. Helps to have informed
perspectives on other perspectives  You have me reconsidering a hub
change. Will stop in at Riv and see what Rich would charge for a hub
change.  I'm still going to go with a battery backup system.
Thanks again

On Dec 15, 10:49 am, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
 @Rene  Ok so I wasn't real impressed with that site.  First I have three 
 SON28's and through I do feel it at times it's on high speed downhills.  Also 
 to me the drag is less at lower speeds and the author indicated that higher 
 speeds the hub was had less drag.
 To continue,   at the end he was rather smug in the retaliation of other 
 blogs or what not.  In the end I didn't feel it was a credible source.  Even 
 though Peter White sells the stuff I feel better about his credibility and 
 reviews.    This may be just me.
 Also be careful on that site.  Many of the reviews and statements are based 
 on 2007/2008 evaluations.  Check the dates.

 I've also taken the SON28 off the bike and ridden with a regular wheel.  
 Honestly I couldn't tell the difference.   Have the time I have to reach over 
 and see if the light is on.  I sure haven't had any vibration that worked 
 it's way to the handlebars on any of the bikes.

 If not mistaken the Edelux is 80 lux or advertised as so.  It's my opinion 
 that it's about the same brightness of a Minewt only covering 3x the area. 
 (guessing and my opinion once again)

 Not to mention I think it would be great to see night rider or others getting 
 back into the dyno systems and bringing the technology they poor into the 
 battery market.  In the mean time after a year on dyno systems I could not go 
 back to battery.  Not because battery doesn't work, but because I'm lazy, 
 unorganized, and spur of the moment.  Dyno systems allow me to just go and 
 not think.. :) I have had numerous instances over the years where batterie's 
 died .. I forgot to charge or didn't turn the beam down lower etc.

 That's my 2 cents.. not claiming to be right.. just my impressions.

 kelly

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[RBW] Re: A great link to the best overview I've seen on lighting systems

2011-12-15 Thread climbthemtns
Kelly:

Glad to have your input. Goes to show how various blog reviews can be
biased  outdated. Helps to have informed perspectives on other
perspectives  You have me reconsidering a hub change. Will stop in at
Riv and see what Rich would charge for a hub change.  I'm still going
to go with a battery backup system.
Thanks again

On Dec 15, 10:49 am, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
 @Rene  Ok so I wasn't real impressed with that site.  First I have three 
 SON28's and through I do feel it at times it's on high speed downhills.  Also 
 to me the drag is less at lower speeds and the author indicated that higher 
 speeds the hub was had less drag.
 To continue,   at the end he was rather smug in the retaliation of other 
 blogs or what not.  In the end I didn't feel it was a credible source.  Even 
 though Peter White sells the stuff I feel better about his credibility and 
 reviews.    This may be just me.
 Also be careful on that site.  Many of the reviews and statements are based 
 on 2007/2008 evaluations.  Check the dates.

 I've also taken the SON28 off the bike and ridden with a regular wheel.  
 Honestly I couldn't tell the difference.   Have the time I have to reach over 
 and see if the light is on.  I sure haven't had any vibration that worked 
 it's way to the handlebars on any of the bikes.

 If not mistaken the Edelux is 80 lux or advertised as so.  It's my opinion 
 that it's about the same brightness of a Minewt only covering 3x the area. 
 (guessing and my opinion once again)

 Not to mention I think it would be great to see night rider or others getting 
 back into the dyno systems and bringing the technology they poor into the 
 battery market.  In the mean time after a year on dyno systems I could not go 
 back to battery.  Not because battery doesn't work, but because I'm lazy, 
 unorganized, and spur of the moment.  Dyno systems allow me to just go and 
 not think.. :) I have had numerous instances over the years where batterie's 
 died .. I forgot to charge or didn't turn the beam down lower etc.

 That's my 2 cents.. not claiming to be right.. just my impressions.

 kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread stevep33
Ryan, The Sugino OX801D is offered with chainring combinations ranging from 
44/30 to 52/36.  My Sugino OX801D cranks have 46/30 rings.

http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread William
 the Sugino OX801D can only go down to 34

Ryan

Not true, the Sugino OX801D takes a 110mm big ring, and can take a 110mm 
small ring OR a 74mm small ring.  They come stock with 14 different 
chainring combos, including 46/30, 44/30, 48/32, etc.  It's true that Soma 
(Merry Sales) only stocks down to a 34, but that's not a fundamental 
limitation of the product.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread Ryan Ray
@stevep33 and @William,

Thanks for the correction. So 90 bcd cranks can go as low as 28 AND the OX801D 
is a 90? Sweet! Any other suggestions besides the OX801D that are good 
90bcd cranks? As long as the OX801D is in RH price range I'd rather have 
the RH.

- Ryan



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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread William
I don't know where you got that the Sugino is a 90mm BCD.  As I said above, 
the Sugino will take a 110mm inner ring OR a 74mm inner ring:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1QyavWav_4g/TuqGR1HuOwI/AiM/QsMBdeiW65k/s1600/conpact-plus.jpg
  See?  Any 110mm ring you want.  Any 74mm ring you want.  74mm goes all 
the way down to 24.  I've never seen the bolt configuration on this 
crankset when the 74mm bolts are in use.  The big ring would have to use 
single chainring bolts, and the small ring would have a different set of 
bolts.  

What other cranksets do an equivalent thing?  The RH crankset, the White 
VBC, and some others.  

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[RBW] Re: Attaching a dyno-light to a Nitto Big Front Rack

2011-12-15 Thread Lynne Fitz
There's a flickr group just for mounting generator hub lighting.  You
might find some inspiration there:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/554659@N24/

On Dec 15, 12:28 pm, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I have a Nitto Big Front Rack on my Hillborne and would like to mount
 my BM Cyo on the side of the rack, ahead of where you'd normally hang
 a pannier.  The rack only has a hole in the very front and center of
 the rack, which does not seem ideal for me.  Are there any well made
 clamps or work-arounds that any of you have encountered along the
 way?  I'd love to employ the Rene Herse bracket, but I would need to
 somehow clamp it around the tubular 
 steel.http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelu...
 Thanks for your suggestions in advance,
 Jason

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Re: [RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
Not bad, Sugino.
But Compass has you beat because its super-compact double crankset requires
two fewer spider arms and seven fewer chainring bolts!
After the Rene Herse crankset comes out in the full Chris King rainbow of
colorways including the ever popular
Rastahttp://chrisking.com/files/images/headsets/dreadset_2009.jpg
combo, the crank wars will officially be over.

David G, Madison WI


On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:49 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know where you got that the Sugino is a 90mm BCD.  As I said
 above, the Sugino will take a 110mm inner ring OR a 74mm inner ring:


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1QyavWav_4g/TuqGR1HuOwI/AiM/QsMBdeiW65k/s1600/conpact-plus.jpg
   See?  Any 110mm ring you want.  Any 74mm ring you want.  74mm goes all
 the way down to 24.  I've never seen the bolt configuration on this
 crankset when the 74mm bolts are in use.  The big ring would have to use
 single chainring bolts, and the small ring would have a different set of
 bolts.

 What other cranksets do an equivalent thing?  The RH crankset, the White
 VBC, and some others.




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[RBW] Re: Attaching a dyno-light to a Nitto Big Front Rack

2011-12-15 Thread Philip Williamson
Thanks, Lynne - just joined that group.

Jason, I'd mount the light front and center. Otherwise, a simple P
clamp might work if it fit tightly enough. I imagine the longer arm
you get on it, the less likely it is to stay where you want it,
though.

Some people have made dynamite light-mount arms from brake parts and
other cast-off bike bits: 
http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/brake-arm-light-mount-extension/

 Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Dec 15, 4:41 pm, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:
 There's a flickr group just for mounting generator hub lighting.  You
 might find some inspiration there:http://www.flickr.com/groups/554659@N24/

 On Dec 15, 12:28 pm, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote:







  Hi,
  I have a Nitto Big Front Rack on my Hillborne and would like to mount
  my BM Cyo on the side of the rack, ahead of where you'd normally hang
  a pannier.  The rack only has a hole in the very front and center of
  the rack, which does not seem ideal for me.  Are there any well made
  clamps or work-arounds that any of you have encountered along the
  way?  I'd love to employ the Rene Herse bracket, but I would need to
  somehow clamp it around the tubular 
  steel.http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelu...
  Thanks for your suggestions in advance,
  Jason

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[RBW] Re: Retroshift is now available

2011-12-15 Thread dougP
Mike:

Thanks for posting; I'm interested to see how they come out on your
build.  Like you, I bump my bar ends just often enough for it to be
annoying.  I even tried thumbies up on the tops for a while one time
but didn't care for that.  These could be the answer.  Anything good
enough for cyclocross is good enough for touring, and they have repair
parts.

dougP

On Dec 15, 1:45 pm, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Such a cool idea! Most people have these ideas and never follow though.
 Nice work!

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[RBW] Re: These cranks stink so good!

2011-12-15 Thread William
I think it's really awesome that there are at least four different ways to 
get an off the shelf 46/30.  Herse, Velo-Orange, Sugino, and White 
Industries.  There may be a lot more.  5 years ago did we have that many 
options for a truly useful compact double?

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[RBW] Frame clearance between Ram and Cani-Rom the same?

2011-12-15 Thread Rocky B
I would like my Ram to be able to fit Jack Brown tires AND fenders.
Does anybody know if converting my Ram to a Canti-Ram allow me to
run this tire/fender combination?

Rocky

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[RBW] Re: Soliciting Suggestions for Day Trip In and/or Around Davis California

2011-12-15 Thread Corwin
Ride Report -

I fastidiously checked the weather forecasts every day up to
Wednesday. Rain was predicted. Looked as though a few brief showers
would hit early Thursday morning around and the taper off to nothing
about 9am. Since I was looking forward to riding the custom, I waited
to leave until the rain died out. Got on the 10:37 train in Richmond,
hung up the bike and relaxed for an hour.

Got off in Davis, and just started riding without getting sufficiently
oriented. My plan was to head to Winters and possibly climb to
Monticello dam or climb Cantlowe and return via Pleasants Valley. As
it turned out, I headed south under Interstate 80 (thinking I was
heading west under 113). Eventually, I realized I was not getting any
closer to the hills in the west and realized I had gone south. Made a
couple of turns and headed north through Dixon. Had the pleasure of
pedaling through a stiff headwind. Eventually arrived at Russell Blvd
and headed west.

The stiff headwind provided excellent appreciation of the crosswind I
encountered when I headed west. I arrived in Winters around 2pm -
after a good two hour ride. Found Steady Eddy's quickly, and settled
in to lunch. Got up after lunch and picked up the bike. Riding away,
the front tire seems a little low. Turns out it's flat. Very strange
since I ride only Scwalbe Maarathon Supremes these days. I become
convinced someone is playing a practical joke on me and has let the
air out of my tire. Pump it up once to see if it goes flat again.
Seems pretty soft. Perhaps I didn't really pump it up hard the first
time. Pump it up hard this time. Goes completely flat. Must not be a
prank. I change the tube and put the front wheel back on. Get back on
the bike - now the right pedal feels really squirrely. Get off the
bike and look it over. The pedal body is much further outboard that it
usually is. It comes off. Turns out the spindle is busted.

Put the pedal body in the bag and start riding back to Davis. Hard to
keep the right foot on the well-greased spindle. Get back to Davis in
well under an hour - but my left knee is starting to hurt - probably
from overcompensating for the right leg that can't seem to stay on the
spindle. Walk around Davis till the Amtrak 4:55 arrives and return to
the East Bay.

A few photos shot along the way:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/72196207@N07/sets/72157628438901745/


On Dec 7, 2:56 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
 West to Pleasant Valley Road (beautiful road), then across the grade and
 back via Dixon is a nice ride, and not too hard if you want to take it
 easy.

 Another option would be to ride East to Sac and take the American River
 bike trail up to Folsom, loop around lake Natoma and then head back on the
 AR trail, but that has a lot of duplication [same trail out and back] and
 is probably closer to 90 miles.

 North and South are both ugly and boring IMO...







 On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi -

  In the interests of getting away, I am planning to take Amtrak to
  Davis next week. Will arrive in Davis shortly after 8am, and return
  via Amtrak shortly after 9pm the same day. I have ridden many long and
  short rides. Notable recent rides are Grizzly Peak Century (metric
  course) and rides up Mt. Diablo and the Berkeley Hills.

  Looking for scenic rides in the neighborhood of 40 - 80 miles. May
  include desirable waypoints and/or destinations. If the weather is
  wet, I will take the Quickbeam (now sporting fenders). If not, I will
  ride the custom (fenderless).

  I'm comfortable supporting myself with respect to clothing/snacks/
  mechanical. That's not to say that I don't appreciate a nice
  restaurant or cafe along the route every bit as much as anyone else.

  Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

  Corwin

  P.S.: The Amtrak ticket appears to be flexible enough to allow travel
  anytime between the stated times on the ticket. So I have the freedom
  of returning as soon as I like.

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