date:20120411

ORyou can saw off the axle flush with the locknuts and use a good
old-fashioned all steel quick release.  I found this on Sheldon's site
somewhere. It actually works quite well on V-dropouts.  If it didn't,
horizontal dropouts wouldn't work because the pull is much greater on the
pedal stroke than are required to hold the rider's weight...ie evertime you
sheared down on the pedals the wheel would be pulled out of the dropout.
Doesn't allow quite as much tensioning room as dropouts or track ends but
most ring/ cog combinations should work. A much prettier and cheaper fix
than a tensioner or eccentric hub or BB.




On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

 Or you can use one of the lovely White ENO hubs, which I've done on
 current Bleriot iteration

 -Original Message-
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 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Imladris dgoldberger...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one
  gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or
  downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)
 
  As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be
  set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
  The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of
  practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a
  fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to
  want to ride one.


 Ram or Roadeo have vertical dropouts (as do almost all rivs except for the
 oldest ones and the qb/so.

 You can single-speed a bike with vert dropouts but you need a chain
 tensioner and then, well, that's just like having a derailler.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

. The article is for  fixed conversion, but I did this on an old beater
using a BMX cog and spacers on a 7 speed wheel. Couldn't make it slip no
matter how hard I pedalled.  Looked nice too.

Quote as follows:

I used a more drastic solution: on my Bianchi Osprey. I cut the rear axle
short so that it didn't protrude past the surfaces of the locknuts. Thus,
only the quick-release skewer went through the dropouts. Since the skewer
is quite a bit thinner than the actual axle, this gives me considerably
more adjustment room.

If the skewer is properly tightened, the axle is held in place by the
friction of the locknuts being pressed against the inside of the dropouts.
If this were not the case, horizontal dropouts would not be usable, since
the forward pull on the chain creates a larger force against the axle than
supporting the rider's weight does. Just to be on the safe side, I carried
a spare skewer along with my spare tube.

I rode that setup for a couple of years with no problems, but later got a
deal on a Bianchi B.a.S.S. purpose-built singlespeed frame that fits me
better, is notably lighter and has horizontal track-type fork ends, so I'm
no longer using that setup

From this page:

http://sheldonbrown.com/fixed-conversion.html#vertical



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:38 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.comwrote:

 ORyou can saw off the axle flush with the locknuts and use a good
 old-fashioned all steel quick release.  I found this on Sheldon's site
 somewhere. It actually works quite well on V-dropouts.  If it didn't,
 horizontal dropouts wouldn't work because the pull is much greater on the
 pedal stroke than are required to hold the rider's weight...ie evertime you
 sheared down on the pedals the wheel would be pulled out of the dropout.
 Doesn't allow quite as much tensioning room as dropouts or track ends but
 most ring/ cog combinations should work. A much prettier and cheaper fix
 than a tensioner or eccentric hub or BB.




 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

 Or you can use one of the lovely White ENO hubs, which I've done on
 current Bleriot iteration

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 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Imladris dgoldberger...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one
  gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or
  downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)
 
  As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be
  set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
  The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of
  practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a
  fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to
  want to ride one.


 Ram or Roadeo have vertical dropouts (as do almost all rivs except for
 the oldest ones and the qb/so.

 You can single-speed a bike with vert dropouts but you need a chain
 tensioner and then, well, that's just like having a derailler.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

2012-04-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

Ha! I have an eccentric ENO hub on my Cross-Check with long horizontal 
dropouts. Now I can adjust through a more or leas continuous spectrum of chain 
tension, wheelbase, BB height, and trail. I should send it to Jan for 
scientific analysis!

(PS: I had the wheel in a v-dropout fixie before I got the CC frame, and it 
made sense to just keep using it even with h-dropouts. People who notice this 
always suspect that I have a wacky technical agenda with this system, but I 
don't. Honest!)

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[RBW] Re: Specialized Sequoia

2012-04-11 Thread franklyn

Brian,

I have one that I got last year. I replaced a Riv Bleriot with it. Here are 
some pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157627342403464/

Mine is a 58cm. I really like these miyata-built sequoia. They are supple 
and responsible, and the geometry is pretty close to a Riv Romulus or 
Bleriot. I did swap out the fork to one with lower trail, as all my other 
bikes have low-trail forks and I preferred the handling now. 

However, even with the stock fork, it was a fun bike to ride. I got the 
frameset for $280--repainted. If the bike is really near new, and you 
will not be swapping out many parts, then $600 is pretty good. If you plan 
on making lots of changes to the bike, then it might not be as economical 
for you.

Franklyn

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 I have an opportunnity to buy a 60cm Specialized Sequoia ($650) in almost 
 new condition. My interweb research has let me know that these bikes have a 
 dedicated following. I was wondering if anyone here has one and could 
 possibly tell me their thoughts about the bike and also, if the price is in 
 the ball park?

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

2012-04-11 Thread David Spranger

This thread has taken a lot of directions, all very interesting. Three 
weeks in now, I still LOVE my SimpleOne! Still very happy I bought it 
before they disappeared. It has been my only ride during this time, though 
this morning, on the way to work, I regretted not using one of my geared 
bikes as I was heading into a strong head wind along with the usual hills.


On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:21:11 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:

 Ed wrote ... I have to hand it to Grant to even bring the QB and SO 
 to market. 

 Hear Hear, and put me down for grateful too. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

Dang!  That's neat you brought that up.  White should use the wheelbase
aspect as a selling point.  I found that the coolest thing about the ENO
hubthe fact you get a centemeter of play for tire clearance.  If you
get the ring/ cog combo to work  by having the wheel down and rearward you
can gain a bit more tire room on frames with tight clearances.  In your
C-C's case you can offset the center of gravity change at the BB.
Expensive solutions to minor problems true, but I like it!


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 Ha! I have an eccentric ENO hub on my Cross-Check with long horizontal
 dropouts. Now I can adjust through a more or leas continuous spectrum of
 chain tension, wheelbase, BB height, and trail. I should send it to Jan for
 scientific analysis!

 (PS: I had the wheel in a v-dropout fixie before I got the CC frame, and
 it made sense to just keep using it even with h-dropouts. People who notice
 this always suspect that I have a wacky technical agenda with this system,
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

I own a Quickbeam and LOVE it.  I should have stated so in my post. It is
by far my favorite and most intelligently designed SS bike I own (one of
two dedicated SS's and 3 geared conversions.)  Of my V-dropout conversions
I like Sheldon's short axle solution best.  Apologies for contributing to
the deviation to your original post (scrolling up to see what it was).



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.comwrote:

 This thread has taken a lot of directions, all very interesting. Three
 weeks in now, I still LOVE my SimpleOne! Still very happy I bought it
 before they disappeared. It has been my only ride during this time, though
 this morning, on the way to work, I regretted not using one of my geared
 bikes as I was heading into a strong head wind along with the usual hills.


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 Ed wrote ... I have to hand it to Grant to even bring the QB and SO
 to market.

 Hear Hear, and put me down for grateful too.


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[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread Greg J

I don't know what model your friend got, but I see that there is a ti Vaya. 
 Ti would not be my first choice because I too have a bias toward steel, 
and I have never ridden a ti bike.  However, the Vaya seems to be a 
well-regarded and well-designed frame, and my impression of Salsa is that 
they know what they're doing.  They have been at the forefront (as far as 
major companies go) of the whole bikepacking and snow-biking niche, and 
they seem to have plenty of people testing their bikes in the real world. 
 I would think that if it didn't work, they would not have introduced the 
model.  So, it may not be as big an issue as you fear.

Greg



On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:35:43 PM UTC-7, dr...@charter.net wrote:

 Boy did I get an eye opener today. Went out cycling- very windy, 
 usually take my Atlantis for days like this, however Project Atlantis 
 is still in the works. Took my Klein, got blown into gravel and fell 
 over- no injury due to low speed and helmet bumping the concrete 
 instead of head. I know that I would not have fallen on my Atlantis 
 due to its stability. 

 Which raises the question of someone taking a lightweight Titanium 
 touring bike cross country. Friend is letting son do this, with 
 trepidation. When we spoke a year ago my advice was obviously a steel 
 bike. He recently told me he got a Salsa, Titanium bike. Went to their 
 website and they do have one model they advertise for long distance 
 touring- very light. 

 Obviously they will have panniers to weigh the bike down, but the bike 
 itself and thus the center of gravity is very light, although I know 
 Titanium is strong. Does anyone know anything about touring with such 
 a light bike. For some reason, I always felt that the weight of my 
 Atlantis is what made it feel so safe no matter what the conditions. 


On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:35:43 PM UTC-7, dr...@charter.net wrote:

 Boy did I get an eye opener today. Went out cycling- very windy, 
 usually take my Atlantis for days like this, however Project Atlantis 
 is still in the works. Took my Klein, got blown into gravel and fell 
 over- no injury due to low speed and helmet bumping the concrete 
 instead of head. I know that I would not have fallen on my Atlantis 
 due to its stability. 

 Which raises the question of someone taking a lightweight Titanium 
 touring bike cross country. Friend is letting son do this, with 
 trepidation. When we spoke a year ago my advice was obviously a steel 
 bike. He recently told me he got a Salsa, Titanium bike. Went to their 
 website and they do have one model they advertise for long distance 
 touring- very light. 

 Obviously they will have panniers to weigh the bike down, but the bike 
 itself and thus the center of gravity is very light, although I know 
 Titanium is strong. Does anyone know anything about touring with such 
 a light bike. For some reason, I always felt that the weight of my 
 Atlantis is what made it feel so safe no matter what the conditions. 


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[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread dr...@charter.net

Still figuring out how to work this board, so hope this turns out in
the right spot.

This kid is not an experienced cyclist. The frame is advertised as
touring geometry  although I need to ask him which model he bought. I
agree with wider tires. I used 26 1.5 wide when I crossed the USA
pulling  a trailer-- it always felt very stable, even on the steepest
downhill coming East out of Yellowstone.  I am going to find out a bit
more about his bike and tire sizes as he is still putting details
together for his trip.

I am a litte stiff today with a minor knee abrasion. Think I will swim
and sit in the hot tub today before I head out cyling again tomorrow.
Thanks for all your thoughtful responses. I am still digesting all
that Atlantis suggestions, but think I am going to make my rebuild
simple and classic with just a few changes in the gears, crank and
possibly shifter types.

On Apr 10, 6:35 pm, dr...@charter.net dr...@charter.net wrote:
 Boy did I get an eye opener today. Went out cycling- very windy,
 usually take my Atlantis for days like this, however Project Atlantis
 is still in the works. Took my Klein, got blown into gravel and fell
 over- no injury due to low speed and helmet bumping the concrete
 instead of head. I know that I would not have fallen on my Atlantis
 due to its stability.

 Which raises the question of someone taking a lightweight Titanium
 touring bike cross country. Friend is letting son do this, with
 trepidation. When we spoke a year ago my advice was obviously a steel
 bike. He recently told me he got a Salsa, Titanium bike. Went to their
 website and they do have one model they advertise for long distance
 touring- very light.

 Obviously they will have panniers to weigh the bike down, but the bike
 itself and thus the center of gravity is very light, although I know
 Titanium is strong. Does anyone know anything about touring with such
 a light bike. For some reason, I always felt that the weight of my
 Atlantis is what made it feel so safe no matter what the conditions.

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[RBW] Re: Any New York Rivendellish shops?

2012-04-11 Thread grant

Adeline Adeline?
Seen it from the outside...it was closed.

Might bet Rivish.  Worth look, tho.

On Apr 10, 3:32 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Planning on heading to New York with the lady friend for spring break. Like
 any good couple we already picked a day to ourselves where we get to see
 the beauty of New York without each other. (It's a interesting relationship
 I know but hey it works for us.) My general belief is that the best way to
 see a traffic ridden city is via bike. Not so sure if I want to bring my
 own bike to New York or if I want to rent one there. Anyone recommend any
 good bike shops to rent/see/visit/gawk at in the Big Apple? Better yet
 anyone free to take a spin while I'm there?
 -Manny

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[RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

Maybe it is the francophile in me, but I've toured and ridden with a
load up front on my Protovelo.  I've never ridden with bags in the
back until yesterday:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/7067953309/in/photostream/lightbox/

Front low-riders have always felt good on this bike - the low weight
up there seems to anchor the steering and the bike feels like its on
rails.  The rear low-riders on this bike seem to take the weight away
unless I'm climbing... or descending - when I can feel the push-pull
of the weight back there.  Otherwise, its really quite neutral.

Who would have thunk?

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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)

On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe it is the francophile in me, but I've toured and ridden with a
 load up front on my Protovelo.  I've never ridden with bags in the
 back until yesterday:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/7067953309/in/photostream/lightbox/

 Front low-riders have always felt good on this bike - the low weight
 up there seems to anchor the steering and the bike feels like its on
 rails.  The rear low-riders on this bike seem to take the weight away
 unless I'm climbing... or descending - when I can feel the push-pull
 of the weight back there.  Otherwise, its really quite neutral.

 Who would have thunk?

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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

2012-04-11 Thread Seth Vidal

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)


I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.

If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
heel-strike?

=- Joe

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 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)


 I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.

 If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

The downsides are (1) it can interfere with rear brake pad positioning
if you switch between cogs of different sizes; and (2) it can make the
tire crowd the brake bridge. This happened to me on the ** cut down,
dremeled, hacksawed, mutilated Rivendell ** fixed gear conversion (my
'94/5 Waterford 26 Road): snow would pack up under the fender at the
bridge. Of course, I fixed that by rotating the ENO the other way.

I also took a big rattail file to the vertical dropouts of that
DiamondBack mtb to allow the ENO to accomodate a 3 t difference. But
you have to be careful that you file evenly -- a tiny error in
symmetry will make the wheel cockeyed. (There is a metaphysical idea
skulking in there somewhere, something about a tiny error in the
beginning leading to a major awkwardness in remote effects blah blah
blah blah...).

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:40 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dang!  That's neat you brought that up.  White should use the wheelbase
 aspect as a selling point.  I found that the coolest thing about the ENO
 hubthe fact you get a centemeter of play for tire clearance.  If you get
 the ring/ cog combo to work  by having the wheel down and rearward you can
 gain a bit more tire room on frames with tight clearances.  In your C-C's
 case you can offset the center of gravity change at the BB.  Expensive
 solutions to minor problems true, but I like it!


 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 thill@gmail.com wrote:

 Ha! I have an eccentric ENO hub on my Cross-Check with long horizontal
 dropouts. Now I can adjust through a more or leas continuous spectrum of
 chain tension, wheelbase, BB height, and trail. I should send it to Jan for
 scientific analysis!

 (PS: I had the wheel in a v-dropout fixie before I got the CC frame, and
 it made sense to just keep using it even with h-dropouts. People who notice
 this always suspect that I have a wacky technical agenda with this system,
 but I don't. Honest!)

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[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers

2012-04-11 Thread Kris

On my Coho..Sram Red FD and RD w/ 9 speed cassette and Silver dt
shifters.  No problems.  I would probably prefer 7 or 8 sp, but just
don't have enough motivation to switch.

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 You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall 
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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe!  I have the rack mounted on the 
fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward 
rack-mount eyelets.  Bags are pushed all the way back.  I experiences some 
heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but I 
have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a lot.  I 
wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on there. 
 Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a 
Saluki.

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
 I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
 heel-strike?

 =- Joe

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  On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
  hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
 
 
  I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
 
  If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

 For gear changes like you mentioned you just cant beat that longish slot
on the QB/ SO.  There's really nothing better available...IMO.  You really
have to have a LOT of brake slot available to have many gear options with
the ENO (IMO anyway).  I suppose one could have more than one chain for
different applications, getting it to work with a rear brake and all, or
just eliminate the rear brake outright if you are riding fixed and need the
gear inch difference with the same chain length I suppose if you DO need
all that many options and you DO have vertical dropouts and DO want to be
able to coast, maybe its best to just  keep the durn thing set up with all
them geary bits it came with wink.
But where's the fun in that right?
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:46 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 The downsides are (1) it can interfere with rear brake pad positioning
 if you switch between cogs of different sizes; and (2) it can make the
 tire crowd the brake bridge. This happened to me on the ** cut down,
 dremeled, hacksawed, mutilated Rivendell ** fixed gear conversion (my
 '94/5 Waterford 26 Road): snow would pack up under the fender at the
 bridge. Of course, I fixed that by rotating the ENO the other way.

 I also took a big rattail file to the vertical dropouts of that
 DiamondBack mtb to allow the ENO to accomodate a 3 t difference. But
 you have to be careful that you file evenly -- a tiny error in
 symmetry will make the wheel cockeyed. (There is a metaphysical idea
 skulking in there somewhere, something about a tiny error in the
 beginning leading to a major awkwardness in remote effects blah blah
 blah blah...).

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:40 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Dang!  That's neat you brought that up.  White should use the wheelbase
  aspect as a selling point.  I found that the coolest thing about the
 ENO
  hubthe fact you get a centemeter of play for tire clearance.  If you
 get
  the ring/ cog combo to work  by having the wheel down and rearward you
 can
  gain a bit more tire room on frames with tight clearances.  In your C-C's
  case you can offset the center of gravity change at the BB.  Expensive
  solutions to minor problems true, but I like it!
 
 
  On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
  thill@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Ha! I have an eccentric ENO hub on my Cross-Check with long horizontal
  dropouts. Now I can adjust through a more or leas continuous spectrum of
  chain tension, wheelbase, BB height, and trail. I should send it to Jan
 for
  scientific analysis!
 
  (PS: I had the wheel in a v-dropout fixie before I got the CC frame, and
  it made sense to just keep using it even with h-dropouts. People who
 notice
  this always suspect that I have a wacky technical agenda with this
 system,
  but I don't. Honest!)
 
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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

What size shoe are you, Esteban? I am a US 13 and found it too
difficult, but forget if that was using toe clips or if it was
platforms. Irony of course is I've finally wound up with a
monster-stayed Trek 728... probably would work well on Sir Rosco Bubbe
too.

=- Joe

On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe!  I have the rack mounted on the
 fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward
 rack-mount eyelets.  Bags are pushed all the way back.  I experiences some
 heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but I
 have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a lot.  I
 wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on there.
  Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a
 Saluki.

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
 I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
 heel-strike?

 =- Joe

 On 4/11/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
  hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
 
 
  I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
 
  If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
 
  -sv
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

I agree: the long axle slot, preferably sloped to match the angle of
the rim, to ensure continuing brake pad alignment, is the darling.

For my part, on this DB off road fixie, I removed the rear brake.
(Hacksawed off the seatstay canti posts too, dammit! -- for that clean
and uncluttered look.Turned out nice and minimalist with all braze ons
removed.) I wanted a mid 60s gear for pavement and a mid 50s gear for
dirt; thus 18 and 21 t cogs, 46 t ring, for 66 and 56. OTOH, I found
that trying to spin downhill on steep, dirt roads in a sub-60 gear
was so annoying that I later switched to a single 19 t cog for just a
63 gear (still no rear brake; didn't need one). I'd rather walkup
hills than flail impotently and despairingly on fast flats and down
hills.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote:
  For gear changes like you mentioned you just cant beat that longish slot on
 the QB/ SO.  There's really nothing better available...IMO.  You really have
 to have a LOT of brake slot available to have many gear options with the ENO
 (IMO anyway).  I suppose one could have more than one chain for different
 applications, getting it to work with a rear brake and all, or just
 eliminate the rear brake outright if you are riding fixed and need the gear
 inch difference with the same chain length I suppose if you DO need all that
 many options and you DO have vertical dropouts and DO want to be able to
 coast, maybe its best to just  keep the durn thing set up with all them
 geary bits it came with wink.
 But where's the fun in that right?

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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

I'm 11... so you'd probably get some strike with those big flippers of 
yours!  Rosco P. Coltrane has those loong stays, so you could set up a 
tent on the back and never even see it!

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:16:59 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 What size shoe are you, Esteban? I am a US 13 and found it too
 difficult, but forget if that was using toe clips or if it was
 platforms. Irony of course is I've finally wound up with a
 monster-stayed Trek 728... probably would work well on Sir Rosco Bubbe
 too.

 =- Joe

 On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe!  I have the rack mounted on the
  fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward
  rack-mount eyelets.  Bags are pushed all the way back.  I experiences 
 some
  heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but I
  have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a lot. 
  I
  wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on 
 there.
   Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a
  Saluki.
 
  On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
  I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
  heel-strike?
 
  =- Joe
 
  On 4/11/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
   hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
  
  
   I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
  
   If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
  
   -sv
  
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[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers

He'd probably not use a 10-speed chain, since he has a 7-speed freewheel.  

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:10:31 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall 
 between the rings of your Sugino.

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[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers

2012-04-11 Thread RJM

this was actually going to be my next question.  Do you think I should just 
use the 8 speed chain that I have already (take a link out or two) or go 
with the 10 speed?  Will a ten speed chain work with a 7 speed freewheel?  
 
I do love the fact that with friction shifting it makes it so much easier 
to mismatch parts, makes this kind of stuff fun. If I can use an existing 
part I would rather do that then break out the new chain.

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:26:49 PM UTC-5, William wrote:

 He'd probably not use a 10-speed chain, since he has a 7-speed freewheel.  

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:10:31 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: 

 You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall 
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[RBW] Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
stuff somewhere on their site?

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[RBW] Re: Any New York Rivendellish shops?

2012-04-11 Thread Chris

I bought a toddler helmet for my son at Adeline.  It's set up more like a 
fashion/clothing store (which is the owner's background) than a bike shop. 
 Super comfortable to browse in there.  It lacks the technical inclination 
of a Rivish shop, though.  Accessories offerings include quite a few baby 
seats, Brooks accessories and baskets.  Bikes are mostly Linus and Pashley. 
 

It's somewhat out of the way for out-of-town visitors though.  You can make 
a stop there after touring Wall St and 9/11 Memorial, I suppose.

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:23:45 PM UTC-4, grant wrote:

 Adeline Adeline? 
 Seen it from the outside...it was closed. 

 Might bet Rivish.  Worth look, tho. 

 On Apr 10, 3:32 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com 
 wrote: 
  Planning on heading to New York with the lady friend for spring break. 
 Like 
  any good couple we already picked a day to ourselves where we get to 
 see 
  the beauty of New York without each other. (It's a interesting 
 relationship 
  I know but hey it works for us.) My general belief is that the best way 
 to 
  see a traffic ridden city is via bike. Not so sure if I want to bring my 
  own bike to New York or if I want to rent one there. Anyone recommend 
 any 
  good bike shops to rent/see/visit/gawk at in the Big Apple? Better yet 
  anyone free to take a spin while I'm there? 
  -Manny

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread dougP

Ryan:

There was a thread a couple of years (or more?) back entitled Is the
Ram the perfect bike? or something similar.  Generated a lot of
responses.  Check the archives.

dougP

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 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older
 stuff somewhere on their site?

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

2012-04-11 Thread Tom M

They both sound like great bikes, but I think Rivendell was late to the 
single-speed party. The Quickbeam copy says something about single-speed 
riders getting tired of their bikes and the QB being a better alternative 
to single-speeds. Then, a few years later, comes the Simple One. I think 
the slanted rear dropout is pretty brilliant, but there are lots more 
single-sppeds out there now than when the QB came out. So the Simple One 
has lots of competition, and not just on price — the aesthetics of some of 
them are nice as well.
--Tom
 
 

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:21:11 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:

 Ed wrote ... I have to hand it to Grant to even bring the QB and SO 
 to market. 

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn

Jim (Cyclefiend and keeper of this list) has the a very good page on
the Ram on his website

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html

If I remember correctly the AHH compared to the Ram has slightly
stouter tubing, wider clearance for tires and fenders (built around
the Silver brake) and a few other differences.

Regarding the rack mounts the later Rams had rack mounts midway down
the fork, not sure about midway down the seat stays. If I ever have to
repaint my Ram I will have the mid fork mounts added.

hope that helps.


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 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older
 stuff somewhere on their site?

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

I have came to  accept that occasionally  walking up (and sometimes down)
 hills is part of the ss/ fixed gear experience.
I think that adds to the beautiful simplicity of such a bike. Just my two
cents.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree: the long axle slot, preferably sloped to match the angle of
 the rim, to ensure continuing brake pad alignment, is the darling.

 For my part, on this DB off road fixie, I removed the rear brake.
 (Hacksawed off the seatstay canti posts too, dammit! -- for that clean
 and uncluttered look.Turned out nice and minimalist with all braze ons
 removed.) I wanted a mid 60s gear for pavement and a mid 50s gear for
 dirt; thus 18 and 21 t cogs, 46 t ring, for 66 and 56. OTOH, I found
 that trying to spin downhill on steep, dirt roads in a sub-60 gear
 was so annoying that I later switched to a single 19 t cog for just a
 63 gear (still no rear brake; didn't need one). I'd rather walkup
 hills than flail impotently and despairingly on fast flats and down
 hills.

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   For gear changes like you mentioned you just cant beat that longish
 slot on
  the QB/ SO.  There's really nothing better available...IMO.  You really
 have
  to have a LOT of brake slot available to have many gear options with the
 ENO
  (IMO anyway).  I suppose one could have more than one chain for different
  applications, getting it to work with a rear brake and all, or just
  eliminate the rear brake outright if you are riding fixed and need the
 gear
  inch difference with the same chain length I suppose if you DO need all
 that
  many options and you DO have vertical dropouts and DO want to be able to
  coast, maybe its best to just  keep the durn thing set up with all them
  geary bits it came with wink.
  But where's the fun in that right?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using modern derailers

A 10 sp chain will work with any ~3/32 cogset, from 5 to 10. It's when
using lower number chains with higher number cogsets that you
sometimes (not always -- I've found that 9 sp chains work fine on some
10 sp cassettes) have problems.

Odd: the Surley Dingle 2-speed fixed cog needs at least a 9 sp chain.
8/7 speeders' pins rattle/tinkle on the adjacent cog. Wish they had
added what, .2 mm?, to the gap to accomodate all 3/32 chains.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:
 this was actually going to be my next question.  Do you think I should just
 use the 8 speed chain that I have already (take a link out or two) or go
 with the 10 speed?  Will a ten speed chain work with a 7 speed freewheel?

 I do love the fact that with friction shifting it makes it so much easier to
 mismatch parts, makes this kind of stuff fun. If I can use an existing part
 I would rather do that then break out the new chain.

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:26:49 PM UTC-5, William wrote:

 He'd probably not use a 10-speed chain, since he has a 7-speed freewheel.


 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:10:31 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall
 between the rings of your Sugino.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

I've often wanted to try pegs on a fixed gear for coasting, like on this
old beauty:
http://events.mnhs.org/Timepieces/SourceDetail.cfm?SourceID=694
But how?

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:48 PM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have came to  accept that occasionally  walking up (and sometimes down)
  hills is part of the ss/ fixed gear experience.
 I think that adds to the beautiful simplicity of such a bike. Just my two
 cents.


 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 I agree: the long axle slot, preferably sloped to match the angle of
 the rim, to ensure continuing brake pad alignment, is the darling.

 For my part, on this DB off road fixie, I removed the rear brake.
 (Hacksawed off the seatstay canti posts too, dammit! -- for that clean
 and uncluttered look.Turned out nice and minimalist with all braze ons
 removed.) I wanted a mid 60s gear for pavement and a mid 50s gear for
 dirt; thus 18 and 21 t cogs, 46 t ring, for 66 and 56. OTOH, I found
 that trying to spin downhill on steep, dirt roads in a sub-60 gear
 was so annoying that I later switched to a single 19 t cog for just a
 63 gear (still no rear brake; didn't need one). I'd rather walkup
 hills than flail impotently and despairingly on fast flats and down
 hills.

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   For gear changes like you mentioned you just cant beat that longish
 slot on
  the QB/ SO.  There's really nothing better available...IMO.  You really
 have
  to have a LOT of brake slot available to have many gear options with
 the ENO
  (IMO anyway).  I suppose one could have more than one chain for
 different
  applications, getting it to work with a rear brake and all, or just
  eliminate the rear brake outright if you are riding fixed and need the
 gear
  inch difference with the same chain length I suppose if you DO need all
 that
  many options and you DO have vertical dropouts and DO want to be able to
  coast, maybe its best to just  keep the durn thing set up with all them
  geary bits it came with wink.
  But where's the fun in that right?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

So, how does the Ram compare with the Roadeo in fast pavement performance?

Would someone who wants a (1) 700c, (2) light-ish, (3) derailleur
Rivendell for fast-ish road riding be better off with a Roadeo or a
Ram? I realize that the Ram is no longer made, so we are comparing a
new Roadeo with a used Ram.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Ryan:

 There was a thread a couple of years (or more?) back entitled Is the
 Ram the perfect bike? or something similar.  Generated a lot of
 responses.  Check the archives.

 dougP

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 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older
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[RBW] Pretty new friction shifters are finally available

Silvers on the insides, retro-beauties on the outside.  I hope Riv stocks 
them as well

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/dia-compe-ene-w-dt-shifters.html 

I'm going to have to count how many Suntour Sprints I have and decide if 
it's time to stock up again, because these things are slick!

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

In the good old days when I started following Riv, maybe 2004 or so, Riv 
had 2 models: the Atlantis, which was the touring and rough stuff bike, 
and the Rambouillet, which was the Riv for riding mostly on paved roads 
with 28 mm tires. I assume that the Ram and Roadeo geometry are similar, 
but maybe the Rodeo tubing is slightly lighter? Riv also offered the Ram as 
a complete bike, which was equipped with sensibly lightweight, but not 
super-light wheels and other components, mostly 105 level stuff, Araya 
RC-540 rims, etc, though there was some variability. The whole bike was 
$2300 at the time.

In my opinion, any attempt to differentiate the Ram from the Roadeo would 
be an exercise in splitting hairs.

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:33:04 PM UTC-5, HappyCamper wrote:

 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
 stuff somewhere on their site?

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[RBW] Re: Pretty new friction shifters are finally available

2012-04-11 Thread Michael_S

Those are nice in case I run out. I have one extra Simplex Retro's and one 
Suntour Sprints in reserve.

They would look nice as bar ends too.

~mike

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:18:55 AM UTC-7, William wrote:

 Silvers on the insides, retro-beauties on the outside.  I hope Riv stocks 
 them as well

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/dia-compe-ene-w-dt-shifters.html 

 I'm going to have to count how many Suntour Sprints I have and decide if 
 it's time to stock up again, because these things are slick!


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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Greg J

Aside from the original Riv Road in the late 90s and the introduction of 
the Roadeo a few years ago, the Rambouillet was the standard road bike in 
Riv's lineup.  Which meant lighter than the Atlantis.  It takes long reach 
calipers, 43 stays I think, 77 or 78 drop, but with the relaxed Riv angles. 
 I'm sure the specs are on Cyclofiend's site.  The Saluki and AHH are 
supposed to be stouter than the Ramb.

The Roadeo came much later, and it is much much lighter than the Ram.  The 
Ram was marketed as the road bike for everyone.  the Roadeo is the road 
bike for those who want a light (20lbs) bike, who have other bikes that can 
do the everyday, load-carrying type duty.

Greg

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 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
 stuff somewhere on their site?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using modern derailers

I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere you can use the narrower chain
on the wider cassettes, but not the other way around, So if that's the case
even if they change the space for the chain on the deraillers one should
still be able to backwards apply the technology.



On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 As long as you can thread some 8-speed chain through the rear derailer
 pulleys without scraping the sides of the cage, I don't see a problem using
 it. I don't recommend changing the front, though. My experience with
 9-speed derailers and 8-speed chains is that a lot of trimming is involved
 because of the narrow front cage.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:17:13 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote:

 I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with
 friction shifting?  I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking
 about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it.  I
 may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't
 really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers.  I
 am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed
 chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters.  Any issues with using 10
 speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think
 of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am
 using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't
 see that as too much of an issue.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using modern derailers

I'm not seeing all the posts.   I see NOW others have posted essentially
the same thing. Sorry.  What's up with my Gmail?

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.comwrote:

 I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere you can use the narrower
 chain on the wider cassettes, but not the other way around, So if that's
 the case even if they change the space for the chain on the deraillers one
 should still be able to backwards apply the technology.



 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 As long as you can thread some 8-speed chain through the rear derailer
 pulleys without scraping the sides of the cage, I don't see a problem using
 it. I don't recommend changing the front, though. My experience with
 9-speed derailers and 8-speed chains is that a lot of trimming is involved
 because of the narrow front cage.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:17:13 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote:

 I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with
 friction shifting?  I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking
 about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it.  I
 may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't
 really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers.  I
 am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed
 chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters.  Any issues with using 10
 speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think
 of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am
 using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't
 see that as too much of an issue.)

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[RBW] WTB 46cm soba handlebar

2012-04-11 Thread dean899

would like to buy a 46cm soba handlebar please let me know if you have
one to sell.  thank you

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[RBW] Re: 58cm Quickbeam FS

2012-04-11 Thread ageorgestew...@gmail.com


In response to a few questions I've received...

Photographs readily available for the asking, and yes, they show the
setup of the stem and Moustache bars.
My inside leg is 32, height is 5ft 9.5 inches and it fits perfectly,
with plenty of room to go up or down.
Without Graftons, subtract $200.
Yes, it has the RBW standard-issue XD2 40 32 chainset  and guard.
No, I don't want to sell it without the saddle, rack, bag, spare
(larger) chain ring and custom-length chain.
Yes, mounting the wheels has left visible, normal signs in the paint
of the serrations on the lock nuts. Yes, this is true of front and
rear.
Front wheel is MA3 laced to high flange Suzue Japan, rear is Open Pro
laced to Phil.
No, there are no dings anywhere in the tubing, nor have I ever crashed
it.

More questions welcome.

Thank you.

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ageorgestew...@gmail.com wrote:
 Orange, standard build with hand skived Brooks saddle and (fairly
 exotic) Grafton brakes. Front rack and bag, and spare (46 or 48, I
 forget which) front chainring and perfect length second chain.
 I listed and sold this a few weeks ago to help fund the purchase of an
 Alex Singer; the seller had temporary seller's premorse at the last
 minute, so I cancelled my sale and hung on to my QB. The Singer is now
 firmly available, and my fundraising's back in swing. The bikes in
 great shape, with two pin-head mars to the bb shell's paint from
 mechanics performing assembly.
 $1350 as is w/ saddle and brakes, plus packing, shipping and
 insurance.
 pairs4l...@aol.com

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[RBW] fs: Brooks B17 saddle in green - beautiful shape!

2012-04-11 Thread Eric

Brooks B17 saddle w/ copper rivets  copper plated rails and it's
GREEN!

I purchased this to bring out the British Racing green on my Indy Fab
but it just looked wrong. I mounted it on my bike but never road w/
it.

The saddle is very lightly used (as purchased)  in overall excellent
shape. $90 shipped from Chicago.

http://tinyurl.com/6oxoufn

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[RBW] Spring Cleaning: Riv-ish items FS

2012-04-11 Thread Rob H.

Looked through the parts bin and have several things from projects
that will never that I won't be needing so I'm looking to see if
anyone here is interested in them:

SKS Chromplastic Fenders P45, can fit tires up to 37mm I believe. New
in packaging: $25 for the pair

Brooks Leather Mudflaps (black), one pair, never mounted, new in
ziploc bags: $25 for the pair

Phil Wood Bottom Bracket with cups, 68 x 113, JIS square taper,
English threaded, never mounted, new in packaging, I will also include
on Phil Wood Bottom Bracket tool: $120 for all of it

MKS Sylvan Track pedals (silver), new in packaging, 9/16 Cr-Mo: $25
for the pair

MKS Sylvan Touring pedals (silver) with MKS steel toe clips and
Christophe pedal straps (black), barely used like new: $50 for the
pair

Panaracer Col de la Vie 650B x 38mm tires, one pair, barely ridden
(less than 50 miles) like new: $25 for the pair

Rear touring wheel, silver 32-hole Velocity Synergy rim, DT swiss
spokes, 135mm generic hub (no logo), 9-speed cassette was mounted but
the wheel was never ridden. compatible with 8, 9, or 10 speed
cassettes. purchased new (as part of a set) off ebay: $80

I'm based in the SF Bay Area so prefer local pickup but will mail
things out if need be. Thanks for looking. Pictures to follow...

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[RBW] fs: RIVENDELL ~ Baggins Little Joe and Duluth Banana bike bags

2012-04-11 Thread Eric

I just recently purchased these Rivendell Baggins bike bags but after
receiving them I found my Sackville bags to be preferable. So let's
find 'em a new home!

From the original listing:

Baggins Little Joe and Banana Bags for auction. The Baggins Bags were
originally made for Rivendell. These are a good match for each other,
and make a good impression. Plus they’re beausaged, which is the bike
equivalent of burying your kilt in the bog for a year before being
seen in public with it.  Both have the Baggins Bags leather disc,
“Duluth Pack,” and Made In America labels. The Banana Bag I bought
new, and it has the original long bag-loop strap and a short seatpost
strap.  The Little Joe saddlebag I bought recently,  with no original
straps. I’m including some pale leather straps.
See Below – The Banana Bag has a place where the wrapping on the
edging has come up, showing the cord it’s wrapped around. Non-
structural, invisible on the bike, but a flaw. It’s been that way
since shortly after I got the bag, and it hasn’t gotten any worse. 

$100 shipped from Chicago.

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[RBW] Re: Albatross bars

2012-04-11 Thread Thomas Skean

+1 for the Albatross bar. I have both the CrMo and the Al. On mine, the 
widths are different (they are from a different era, perhaps not even 
(gasp!) from RBW). Al is either 54cm or 55cm and CrMo is 56cm. Switching 
directly from one to the other, I can tell the width difference. But I 
can't tell any other difference when riding. FWIW, I don't ride 
aggressively but am around 250lbs. I like a wider bar generally but the 
1-2cm difference fades quickly when riding. (I am going for the 58cm Bosco 
when it comes out; it's an upright-wide-bar-rider's dream!)
 
Slightly OT: Which is correct? handlebar or handlebars
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Monday, April 9, 2012 8:34:32 PM UTC-5, Chris wrote:

 Besides weight, the CrMo steel and aluminum have slightly different 
 finishes.  CrMo steel seems to be slightly shinier.  I'm comparing the CrMo 
 steel setup (albatross+technomic standard) on my wife's Betty 
 Foyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/21531208@N00/6670547675/in/photostreamand 
 the aluminum setup (moustache+technomic deluxe) on my Sam. 

 The albatross is a wonderful handlebar and I find it especially great for 
 city riding.

 On Friday, April 6, 2012 3:42:51 PM UTC-4, Duplomacette wrote: 

 I'm thinking about switching out my drop bars for albatross on one of 
 my bikes to mix things up. So I'm also thinking about getting the 
 aluminum. A bit more in price but I think aluminum is what I want. 
 Anybody think the steel bars are better? I'd love to hear some 
 feedback from people who have used albatross bars. Like? Love? Meh?


On Monday, April 9, 2012 8:34:32 PM UTC-5, Chris wrote: 

 Besides weight, the CrMo steel and aluminum have slightly different 
 finishes.  CrMo steel seems to be slightly shinier.  I'm comparing the CrMo 
 steel setup (albatross+technomic standard) on my wife's Betty 
 Foyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/21531208@N00/6670547675/in/photostreamand 
 the aluminum setup (moustache+technomic deluxe) on my Sam. 

 The albatross is a wonderful handlebar and I find it especially great for 
 city riding.

 On Friday, April 6, 2012 3:42:51 PM UTC-4, Duplomacette wrote: 

 I'm thinking about switching out my drop bars for albatross on one of 
 my bikes to mix things up. So I'm also thinking about getting the 
 aluminum. A bit more in price but I think aluminum is what I want. 
 Anybody think the steel bars are better? I'd love to hear some 
 feedback from people who have used albatross bars. Like? Love? Meh?



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[RBW] Re: Any New York Rivendellish shops?

2012-04-11 Thread kolbyt

Bespoke Bicycles in Fort Greene

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:32:48 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Planning on heading to New York with the lady friend for spring break. 
 Like any good couple we already picked a day to ourselves where we get to 
 see the beauty of New York without each other. (It's a interesting 
 relationship I know but hey it works for us.) My general belief is that the 
 best way to see a traffic ridden city is via bike. Not so sure if I want to 
 bring my own bike to New York or if I want to rent one there. Anyone 
 recommend any good bike shops to rent/see/visit/gawk at in the Big Apple? 
 Better yet anyone free to take a spin while I'm there?
 -Manny 


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[RBW] Re: stuck stem on Homer

2012-04-11 Thread Tim

I've already had it at my LBS for 3 days of soaking and attempts. The
next step from them is to send it home for the week with their 71 year
old part time mechanic (he only works on Mondays and Fridays, so he
takes it home Monday...) which is what I may ultimately have to do but
I'd really like to get it on my own. As far as the wedge, it never
budged when tapping with the stem bolt, and now the bolt will not go
back in. Yes, I was stunned that it would be stuck in so new of a
bike. I have adjusted the stem as recently as last August or
September. I do sweat a lot, so I just chalked it up to that. Thanks
for all the input and I won't be working on it again till Friday (but
I'll be riding it cause the stem and goin' nowhere!) so I'd love to
hear more.

On Apr 9, 10:54 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
 I've never seen a stem THAT stuck on such a new bike. I'd put away the 
 chemistry set for now, and see if lube and carefully applied force will have 
 an effect.

 I've seen people loosen the headset top nut with the intention of removing 
 the stem, but that has no bearing, so to speak, on securing the stem into the 
 steerer. It's the 6mm allen bolt at the top elbow part of the stem that 
 tightens the wedge. If you get that bolt really loose and tap/whack it with a 
 hammer, 97.3% of the time you'll break it loose. You can also sandwich the 
 wheel betwixt your legs whilst you twist the handlebar side to side (again 
 with the bolt very loose, and don't twist hard enough to break/bend the fork 
 or the wheel).

 And don't hesitate to visit your LBS if you have one you like. Some of us 
 bike fixing types are full of tricks and it'll probably be easier and cheaper 
 than you think.

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[RBW] Re: Albatross bars

2012-04-11 Thread Duplomacette

Thanks guys! Are most of you using the aluminum?

On Apr 9, 7:26 pm, Smitty 54ca...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alba bars... I use them... I love them. I'll second the statement about
 using the front curves for a more forward/aggressive/climbing position. I
 use it nearly as much as the normal position.

 The alba is on my Big Dummy which sees daily use but it's all relatively
 short distances (sub 20-mile days). I'm thinking of doing some sort of
 h-bar rearrangement when the Bosco Bar comes out (out of curiosity in the
 Bosco not any sort of dis-satisfaction with the albas or noodles currently
 on my bikes). The Alba will likely end on on my AHH for a spell. I suspect
 it'll great for whatever distances I want to cover.

 --Smitty







 On Friday, April 6, 2012 12:42:51 PM UTC-7, Duplomacette wrote:

  I'm thinking about switching out my drop bars for albatross on one of
  my bikes to mix things up. So I'm also thinking about getting the
  aluminum. A bit more in price but I think aluminum is what I want.
  Anybody think the steel bars are better? I'd love to hear some
  feedback from people who have used albatross bars. Like? Love? Meh?

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[RBW] Re: Albatross bars

2012-04-11 Thread Kieran J

I'm also curious about the steel vs. the Al version, ie. is there a
discernable difference in rigidity between the two? Is the reason for
the two models simply a weight-saving one?
Not sure if anyone has ever had both, and compared. If so, do tell!

KJ


On Apr 6, 3:42 pm, Duplomacette jjrhildr...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm thinking about switching out my drop bars for albatross on one of
 my bikes to mix things up. So I'm also thinking about getting the
 aluminum. A bit more in price but I think aluminum is what I want.
 Anybody think the steel bars are better? I'd love to hear some
 feedback from people who have used albatross bars. Like? Love? Meh?

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Re: [RBW] Knee trouble

2012-04-11 Thread dean brock

Before surgery I would check into prolotherapy and prolo ozone therapy.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:07 PM, soapscum smula...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 I'm an infrequent poster, but longtime reader and I'm hoping I'm not
 the first person to go through this. Riv content: I ride a Hillborne.
 I bought it new from Riv a couple years ago and it's proven itself to
 be the best go-everywhere do-everything all-weather bike ever (for
 me). I have a lifetime passion for riding bikes of all kinds, and I
 can't imagine a life without them. No here's the problem: in a
 nutshell, my knee is shot and I'm likely faced with at least a partial
 knee replacement. I'm only 45 so I'll likely outlive the thing, so
 I've got that going for me, too. Has anyone on the list been through
 this, and if so how has it impacted your riding? Any insight is most
 welcome, and if it's not appropriate for the list, I'll happily take
 it offline. Thanks a bunch.

 Cheers,
 Shawn Mulanix
 Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Interesting that it would be an everyday, load-carrying type duty bike 
without all the braze-ons usually associated with those activities. Either 
way I'm 66 195 lbs so a little stout tubing doesn't scare me.

- Ryan







On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:34:26 AM UTC-7, Greg J wrote:

 Aside from the original Riv Road in the late 90s and the introduction of 
 the Roadeo a few years ago, the Rambouillet was the standard road bike in 
 Riv's lineup.  Which meant lighter than the Atlantis.  It takes long reach 
 calipers, 43 stays I think, 77 or 78 drop, but with the relaxed Riv angles. 
  I'm sure the specs are on Cyclofiend's site.  The Saluki and AHH are 
 supposed to be stouter than the Ramb.

 The Roadeo came much later, and it is much much lighter than the Ram.  The 
 Ram was marketed as the road bike for everyone.  the Roadeo is the road 
 bike for those who want a light (20lbs) bike, who have other bikes that can 
 do the everyday, load-carrying type duty.

 Greg

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:

 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
 stuff somewhere on their site?



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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

HappyC, I think you might have misread Greg J's sentence.  He said the 
Roadeo is the light UNLOADED thing for people who have OTHER bikes to do 
the more stout stuff.  

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:43:14 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:

 Interesting that it would be an everyday, load-carrying type duty bike 
 without all the braze-ons usually associated with those activities. Either 
 way I'm 66 195 lbs so a little stout tubing doesn't scare me.

 - Ryan







 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:34:26 AM UTC-7, Greg J wrote:

 Aside from the original Riv Road in the late 90s and the introduction of 
 the Roadeo a few years ago, the Rambouillet was the standard road bike in 
 Riv's lineup.  Which meant lighter than the Atlantis.  It takes long reach 
 calipers, 43 stays I think, 77 or 78 drop, but with the relaxed Riv angles. 
  I'm sure the specs are on Cyclofiend's site.  The Saluki and AHH are 
 supposed to be stouter than the Ramb.

 The Roadeo came much later, and it is much much lighter than the Ram. 
  The Ram was marketed as the road bike for everyone.  the Roadeo is the 
 road bike for those who want a light (20lbs) bike, who have other bikes 
 that can do the everyday, load-carrying type duty.

 Greg

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:

 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
 stuff somewhere on their site?



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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

You're right. I did. Thanks.

- Ryan




On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:50:31 AM UTC-7, William wrote:

 HappyC, I think you might have misread Greg J's sentence.  He said the 
 Roadeo is the light UNLOADED thing for people who have OTHER bikes to do 
 the more stout stuff.  

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:43:14 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:

 Interesting that it would be an everyday, load-carrying type duty bike 
 without all the braze-ons usually associated with those activities. Either 
 way I'm 66 195 lbs so a little stout tubing doesn't scare me.

 - Ryan







 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:34:26 AM UTC-7, Greg J wrote:

 Aside from the original Riv Road in the late 90s and the introduction of 
 the Roadeo a few years ago, the Rambouillet was the standard road bike in 
 Riv's lineup.  Which meant lighter than the Atlantis.  It takes long reach 
 calipers, 43 stays I think, 77 or 78 drop, but with the relaxed Riv angles. 
  I'm sure the specs are on Cyclofiend's site.  The Saluki and AHH are 
 supposed to be stouter than the Ramb.

 The Roadeo came much later, and it is much much lighter than the Ram. 
  The Ram was marketed as the road bike for everyone.  the Roadeo is the 
 road bike for those who want a light (20lbs) bike, who have other bikes 
 that can do the everyday, load-carrying type duty.

 Greg

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:

 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
 stuff somewhere on their site?



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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the 
comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are 
currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short 
reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, 
there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea.  I recall 
GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was 
hoping for standard reach brakes from the major manufacturers.  

When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly large 
clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen.  The Hilsen kind of 
slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched a bit 
more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss of 
clearances) range.

Here's an interesting image or two - 

The Rambouillet rear clearance - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg

Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) 
and Dia Compe 505Q brake.

The Hilsen rear clearance - 
http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg

Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes.

As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Rob H.

Ryan,

If you're looking for something similar to the Ram I've read that the
SOMA San Marcos is pretty close in lightness and zippiness. I hope to
find this out for myself, maybe for christmas...And alas, like the Ram
it has no mid-fork braze ons for a front rack. Nothing a couple of P
clamps couldn't fix.

On Apr 11, 11:56 am, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the
 comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are
 currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short
 reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance,
 there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea.  I recall
 GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was
 hoping for standard reach brakes from the major manufacturers.

 When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly large
 clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen.  The Hilsen kind of
 slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched a bit
 more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss of
 clearances) range.

 Here's an interesting image or two -

 The Rambouillet rear clearance 
 -http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg

 Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32)
 and Dia Compe 505Q brake.

 The Hilsen rear clearance 
 -http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg

 Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes.

 As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here 
 -http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet

 - Jim

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Thanks for the responses. Some of those old threads helped out a bit.

- Ryan







On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:56:20 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the 
 comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are 
 currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short 
 reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, 
 there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea.  I recall 
 GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was 
 hoping for standard reach brakes from the major manufacturers.  

 When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly 
 large clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen.  The Hilsen 
 kind of slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched 
 a bit more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss 
 of clearances) range.

 Here's an interesting image or two - 

 The Rambouillet rear clearance - 
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg

 Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) 
 and Dia Compe 505Q brake.

 The Hilsen rear clearance - 
 http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg

 Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes.

 As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - 
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet

 - Jim



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[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Winds is tough.

But, there are a large number of variables in that Klein vs Atlantis 
comparison. You could start with tire contact patch size, work through 
bottom bracket height and chainstay length, on up through stem length and 
saddle setback - all of which directly effect stability.  When you ride one 
bicycle more than the other, there are myriad of subtle cues and 
corrections which your muscles learn, so if I were to hop onto a bicycle I 
rode 10 years ago, it would be monstrously twitchy and weird (hey - it 
_was_ an open-wheeled racer) because I hadn't spent the amount of hours on 
it recently.   I would expect those two aspects conspired against you in 
this case.

Certainly, we all rode bikes of suspect performance and fit, and they 
worked just fine until we moved up a bit to better designs.  But, when we 
had the first coaster brake bike or 10 speed, that was all we rode, so our 
skill set in terms of dealing with adverse conditions was pretty high.

I would suspect that a decent, well-designed frameset and component setup 
(including appropriately rigid racks for his load) will be fine for his 
trek.  Not perfect. Not all that he'll ever want in a bike, but safe and 
rideable.   I'd take Titanium way, way before I did that with aluminum, and 
certainly well before CF.  The only significant factor working against Ti 
in this application is that it has specific rewelding requirements, if it 
were to break enroute, not just anyone can put a torch to it. 

Big tires, appropriate braze ons, lots of bottles, good clearances are the 
key. 

As far as crosswinds go, I will share that I've seen a lot of good and 
experienced riders get flummoxed and pummelled by such conditions.  Myself 
included.  In fact, it was my frustration that led me to seek them out for 
a  while to test my hypothesis - Most riders react absolutely the wrong way 
in a cross wind.

Simply put, they turn the bars into the wind when it suddenly hits them.  
It's an easy reaction, but all that does is make the bike go the other 
direction - FAST. 

Now, we all know that the bicycle turns by countersteering.  But, when wind 
throws a punch at us, we instinctively react towards it - we stiffen and 
turn the bars towards the wind. This of course sets the bicycle on a turn 
with the added force of the wind.  Things get even more wiggly if you then 
re-react harder into the wind to offset this movement.  You are mechically 
turning the bike one way through countersteering (e.g. turning the bars 
right to go left), but then doing everything you can to resist that turn by 
leaning into the wind. That's where the lack of control resides.

What I've found helps is to stiffen my wind-side arm and relax my lee-side 
arm - even going so far as to put a deeper bend in my elbow.  When the wind 
punches, the offside arm gives and the bicycle countersteers into the 
wind.  For me, this lets me relax my upper body significantly and run a 
truer line. 

Hope that is of help,

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Michael_S

From what I recall ( having owned a Ram) that the Ram and Hilsen were both 
made from the same  wall thickness tubing  ( 8-5-8).  The Roadeo has 
thinner tubing from what I read. The Hilsen had better tire clearances. My 
Ram would only barely  fit a Jack Brown in front w/o fender. The back would 
fit a 37mm Pasela.  Some of the last Ram's had mid fork braze on's too. 
It was a great riding bike, the lack of clearance in front led to me 
selling it.

~mike

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:

 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
 stuff somewhere on their site?

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[RBW] Re: Pretty new friction shifters are finally available

2012-04-11 Thread Lynne Fitz

my word, those ARE pretty.  Wonder if they can be adapted to bar end
use?

On Apr 11, 11:18 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Silvers on the insides, retro-beauties on the outside.  I hope Riv stocks
 them as well

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/dia-compe-ene-w-dt-shifters.html

 I'm going to have to count how many Suntour Sprints I have and decide if
 it's time to stock up again, because these things are slick!

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RE: [RBW] Re: Pretty new friction shifters are finally available

2012-04-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

VO site has a version w/ pods  
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/shifting-freewheels-cassettes/shifters/dia-compe-ene-w-bar-end-shifters.html

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Pretty new friction shifters are finally available

my word, those ARE pretty.  Wonder if they can be adapted to bar end use?

On Apr 11, 11:18 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Silvers on the insides, retro-beauties on the outside.  I hope Riv 
 stocks them as well

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/dia-compe-ene-w-dt-shifters.htm
 l

 I'm going to have to count how many Suntour Sprints I have and decide 
 if it's time to stock up again, because these things are slick!

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[RBW] Re: Pretty new friction shifters are finally available

2012-04-11 Thread Lynne Fitz

never mind, i see there is also a bar end version...

On Apr 11, 11:18 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Silvers on the insides, retro-beauties on the outside.  I hope Riv stocks
 them as well

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/dia-compe-ene-w-dt-shifters.html

 I'm going to have to count how many Suntour Sprints I have and decide if
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[RBW] Re: Pretty new friction shifters are finally available

I just received a VO order today, too.  I wish I had waited.  I would have 
added a set of these.  

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:33:21 PM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:

 never mind, i see there is also a bar end version... 

 On Apr 11, 11:18 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Silvers on the insides, retro-beauties on the outside.  I hope Riv 
 stocks 
  them as well 
  
  http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/dia-compe-ene-w-dt-shifters.html 
  
  I'm going to have to count how many Suntour Sprints I have and decide if 
  it's time to stock up again, because these things are slick!

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[RBW] Re: Specialized Sequoia

2012-04-11 Thread newenglandbike

I have an '83 sequoia that I stumbled upon in brand new condition at Bikes 
Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain a few years ago, and it gets ridden quite a 
bit.Not quite Rivendell geometry with it's steep ST angle-but it is 
a great bike, worth it if you can find one.I love mine-   it handles 
great, is fairly light yet sturdy, and it fits 28's with fenders no problem.

Here's a shot from before I got fenders for it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029278@N07/5764577826/




On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:17:31 AM UTC-4, franklyn wrote:

 Brian,

 I have one that I got last year. I replaced a Riv Bleriot with it. Here 
 are some pictures:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157627342403464/

 Mine is a 58cm. I really like these miyata-built sequoia. They are supple 
 and responsible, and the geometry is pretty close to a Riv Romulus or 
 Bleriot. I did swap out the fork to one with lower trail, as all my other 
 bikes have low-trail forks and I preferred the handling now. 

 However, even with the stock fork, it was a fun bike to ride. I got the 
 frameset for $280--repainted. If the bike is really near new, and you 
 will not be swapping out many parts, then $600 is pretty good. If you plan 
 on making lots of changes to the bike, then it might not be as economical 
 for you.

 Franklyn

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:37:52 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I have an opportunnity to buy a 60cm Specialized Sequoia ($650) in almost 
 new condition. My interweb research has let me know that these bikes have a 
 dedicated following. I was wondering if anyone here has one and could 
 possibly tell me their thoughts about the bike and also, if the price is in 
 the ball park?



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Re: [RBW] titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread Anne Paulson

I rode cross country with a fellow on a Seven titanium bike. It was
fine, he was fine. I'm quite sure that the five pounds or whatever
difference between a loaded Atlantis and a loaded Seven will make
approximately zero difference in their handling in the wind. (I'm not
saying they handle the same, just that the difference will not come
from the lightness of the Seven frame.)  And if both bikes are loaded
similarly, they'll have the same center of gravity, too.

I've done a tiny amount of touring on my Klein touring bike. It too
was fine. I prefer my Atlantis for touring, but again, not because the
Klein is too light. If I could magically subtract five pounds from my
Atlantis and change nothing else, I would.

This is a complete non-issue.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:35 PM, dr...@charter.net dr...@charter.net wrote:
 Boy did I get an eye opener today. Went out cycling- very windy,
 usually take my Atlantis for days like this, however Project Atlantis
 is still in the works. Took my Klein, got blown into gravel and fell
 over- no injury due to low speed and helmet bumping the concrete
 instead of head. I know that I would not have fallen on my Atlantis
 due to its stability.

 Which raises the question of someone taking a lightweight Titanium
 touring bike cross country. Friend is letting son do this, with
 trepidation. When we spoke a year ago my advice was obviously a steel
 bike. He recently told me he got a Salsa, Titanium bike. Went to their
 website and they do have one model they advertise for long distance
 touring- very light.

 Obviously they will have panniers to weigh the bike down, but the bike
 itself and thus the center of gravity is very light, although I know
 Titanium is strong. Does anyone know anything about touring with such
 a light bike. For some reason, I always felt that the weight of my
 Atlantis is what made it feel so safe no matter what the conditions.

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Leslie

I'm not a lightweight;  one of the things that GP had in the Roadeo 
description was if you weigh 250, we're not going to sell one to you, or 
something to that effect.  Grant would rather have seen me on a Hilsen over 
a Ram, but, I was leaning towards the roadbike side of the equation, and 
I'd fallen in love w/ a green Ram at MSL, and bought it, just as the Ram 
was about to sunset and the Roadeo was about to arrive.So when the 
Roadeo was 'announced', for a bit, I wondered if I should have not eaten 
for two weeks and ordered a Roadeo instead even.  But I finally decided, 
I'm not a TdF wannabe, I didn't need to switch from the Ram to a Roadeo, my 
Ram perfectly suited my road needs (and now, my Bomba complements the other 
side of the equation, for a touring/MTB heavyweight).  

And, my Ram had rack mounts on both the mid-fork and the mid-seatstay.  
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/lightbox/)

In that pic, it has the Paselas on it, front and rear; but now, I'm still 
running a 32 Pasela TG in the rear, but have gone to the 28 RuffyTuffy in 
the front.  Works great for me.  If I need something w/ more tire than 
that, I'd take the Bomba...


-L


On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:56:20 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the 
 comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are 
 currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short 
 reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, 
 there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea.  I recall 
 GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was 
 hoping for standard reach brakes from the major manufacturers.  

 When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly 
 large clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen.  The Hilsen 
 kind of slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched 
 a bit more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss 
 of clearances) range.

 Here's an interesting image or two - 

 The Rambouillet rear clearance - 
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg

 Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) 
 and Dia Compe 505Q brake.

 The Hilsen rear clearance - 
 http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg

 Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes.

 As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - 
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet

 - Jim



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[RBW] Re: Done talking myself into like the moustache.

2012-04-11 Thread Leslie

I came across a little-used moustache for naught, and grabbed it.   But, 
holding it, started thinking I wasn't sure about it.

I've got Noodles on my Ram which I really like(wide 48's, I'm not a little 
guy), and was thinking of the moustache for the Bomba, but, started 
second-guessing it.  I was also liking the idea of dirt-drops, like the old 
WTB bars, or Woodchippers, etc.  But, I couldn't find the WTB's that I 
wanted, but...

Thought occurred to me, get the dirt-drop stem, put the moustache bars on 
it.  If I don't like it, switch to dirt-drops once I find some.  
Woodchippers, or maybe the Midge, if I still can't find a pair of WTB-2's. 
The Luxy or the new Nitto RM-014 might be okay, if they weren't 31.8; hard 
to find a quill, but, thought about a threaded/threadless adapter, then an 
upright 31.8 stem.. not for the looks, definitely, but, if it accomplished 
what I wanted   

Turns out, though, I'm liking the moustache.  A lot more than I expected, 
actually.   Still don't have a LOT of mileage on 'em yet, but, they're not 
bad for me.   

Need more saddle time w/ them, but, I like 'em

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[RBW] Re: FS: panniers

2012-04-11 Thread Adam

A few bites but still have these panniers stored in my garage. $100
obo takes em.
Irish straps included. Great bags, I'm just looking for panniers that
can be carried one at a time.

Pictures available by request.

Thanks.


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 Selling my Frost River canvas panniers. They are in very good
 condition, used, but
 no worse for the wear. Replaced the strings with Irish straps.
 Beautiful very well made panniers, I'm just moving to a different
 style.

 $125 (plus shipping). Photos available upon request.

 Cheers,
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[RBW] Re: FS: panniers

2012-04-11 Thread Scot Brooks

I'd love to see photos, I'm definitely interested

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[RBW] Re: Specialized Sequoia

In a lot of ways I think of the Sequoia as the pinnacle of the 1980's 
American-style 'sport touring' bike.  I was just getting my first bike shop 
job at the time, so I wasn't super tapped in to the industry, but I think 
it's very uncontroversial to say that the 1983 Sequoia has aged remarkably 
well.  

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:57:05 PM UTC-7, newenglandbike wrote:

 I have an '83 sequoia that I stumbled upon in brand new condition at Bikes 
 Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain a few years ago, and it gets ridden quite a 
 bit.Not quite Rivendell geometry with it's steep ST angle-but it is 
 a great bike, worth it if you can find one.I love mine-   it handles 
 great, is fairly light yet sturdy, and it fits 28's with fenders no problem.

 Here's a shot from before I got fenders for it:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029278@N07/5764577826/




 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:17:31 AM UTC-4, franklyn wrote:

 Brian,

 I have one that I got last year. I replaced a Riv Bleriot with it. Here 
 are some pictures:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157627342403464/

 Mine is a 58cm. I really like these miyata-built sequoia. They are supple 
 and responsible, and the geometry is pretty close to a Riv Romulus or 
 Bleriot. I did swap out the fork to one with lower trail, as all my other 
 bikes have low-trail forks and I preferred the handling now. 

 However, even with the stock fork, it was a fun bike to ride. I got the 
 frameset for $280--repainted. If the bike is really near new, and you 
 will not be swapping out many parts, then $600 is pretty good. If you plan 
 on making lots of changes to the bike, then it might not be as economical 
 for you.

 Franklyn

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:37:52 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I have an opportunnity to buy a 60cm Specialized Sequoia ($650) in 
 almost new condition. My interweb research has let me know that these bikes 
 have a dedicated following. I was wondering if anyone here has one and 
 could possibly tell me their thoughts about the bike and also, if the price 
 is in the ball park?



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Re: [RBW] titanium for touring

Anne nails it again.  

We still need to work on that gravity control knob.  :)

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:59:39 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I rode cross country with a fellow on a Seven titanium bike. It was
 fine, he was fine. I'm quite sure that the five pounds or whatever
 difference between a loaded Atlantis and a loaded Seven will make
 approximately zero difference in their handling in the wind. (I'm not
 saying they handle the same, just that the difference will not come
 from the lightness of the Seven frame.)  And if both bikes are loaded
 similarly, they'll have the same center of gravity, too.

 I've done a tiny amount of touring on my Klein touring bike. It too
 was fine. I prefer my Atlantis for touring, but again, not because the
 Klein is too light. If I could magically subtract five pounds from my
 Atlantis and change nothing else, I would.

 This is a complete non-issue.

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:35 PM, dr...@charter.net dr...@charter.net 
 wrote:
  Boy did I get an eye opener today. Went out cycling- very windy,
  usually take my Atlantis for days like this, however Project Atlantis
  is still in the works. Took my Klein, got blown into gravel and fell
  over- no injury due to low speed and helmet bumping the concrete
  instead of head. I know that I would not have fallen on my Atlantis
  due to its stability.
 
  Which raises the question of someone taking a lightweight Titanium
  touring bike cross country. Friend is letting son do this, with
  trepidation. When we spoke a year ago my advice was obviously a steel
  bike. He recently told me he got a Salsa, Titanium bike. Went to their
  website and they do have one model they advertise for long distance
  touring- very light.
 
  Obviously they will have panniers to weigh the bike down, but the bike
  itself and thus the center of gravity is very light, although I know
  Titanium is strong. Does anyone know anything about touring with such
  a light bike. For some reason, I always felt that the weight of my
  Atlantis is what made it feel so safe no matter what the conditions.
 
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[RBW] Re: Any New York Rivendellish shops?

2012-04-11 Thread sjauch

NYC Velo in the East Village is a great shop. They have lots of cool
frames hanging up.

On Apr 11, 1:33 pm, Chris cch...@gmail.com wrote:
 I bought a toddler helmet for my son at Adeline.  It's set up more like a
 fashion/clothing store (which is the owner's background) than a bike shop.
  Super comfortable to browse in there.  It lacks the technical inclination
 of a Rivish shop, though.  Accessories offerings include quite a few baby
 seats, Brooks accessories and baskets.  Bikes are mostly Linus and Pashley.

 It's somewhat out of the way for out-of-town visitors though.  You can make
 a stop there after touring Wall St and 9/11 Memorial, I suppose.



 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:23:45 PM UTC-4, grant wrote:

  Adeline Adeline?
  Seen it from the outside...it was closed.

  Might bet Rivish.  Worth look, tho.

  On Apr 10, 3:32 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
   Planning on heading to New York with the lady friend for spring break.
  Like
   any good couple we already picked a day to ourselves where we get to
  see
   the beauty of New York without each other. (It's a interesting
  relationship
   I know but hey it works for us.) My general belief is that the best way
  to
   see a traffic ridden city is via bike. Not so sure if I want to bring my
   own bike to New York or if I want to rent one there. Anyone recommend
  any
   good bike shops to rent/see/visit/gawk at in the Big Apple? Better yet
   anyone free to take a spin while I'm there?
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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

I'm looking forward to Rosco jokes like the following:

"Hey guys, I'll be back in a few minutes. I'm gonna dismount andtake a walk to the back end of my Rosco and look for my camp stove."
-Original Message- From: Esteban Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:26 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias! I'm 11... so you'd probably get some strike with those big flippers of yours! Rosco P. Coltrane has those loong stays, so you could set up a tent on the back and never even see it!On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:16:59 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
What size shoe are you, Esteban? I am a US 13 and found it toodifficult, but forget if that was using toe clips or if it wasplatforms. Irony of course is I've finally wound up with amonster-stayed Trek 728... probably would work well on Sir Rosco Bubbetoo.
=- Joe
On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe! I have the rack mounted on the fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward rack-mount eyelets. Bags are pushed all the way back. I experiences some heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but I have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a lot. I wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on there. Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a Saluki. On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with heel-strike? =- Joe On 4/11/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem. If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oHDjHjdImdgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

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Re: [RBW] Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

I don't know how the Ram compares to the Roadeo, but it is a bit different from the Hilsen. It's quicker than the Hilsen, but the difference is subtle. From about 2002 to about 2008, Rambouillet was the Rivendell "Road Bike." When they put it to sleep, Hilsen filled in for it as the "almost road bike, but really a country bike." The Roadeo had not come along yet and without Ram or Roadeo, something was definitely missing.

Ram = road bike with country bike tendencies
AHH = country bike with road bike tendencies

I'll put a commuting load on my Ram, sometimes a bit heavy in the saddlebag with student papers and some of my stuff, and then some of my other stuffloadingup the bar tubebag, and loaded that way, the Ram feels a bit less wonderful with theweight, but not enough to bug me, just enough to notice.

Meanwhile, ifI put a similar load in the AHH, it seemsless effected.

Unloaded, theRam is quicker than the AHH.The bikes have the same JB tires, but different rear wheels. The Ram wheel is 130 mm hub, Dura Ace, 32 spokes. The AHH wheel is135 mm hub, XT, 36 spokes.
-Original Message- From: Ryan Ray Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:33 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just aHilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site?
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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

Me:  Hey honey, I'm going to go on an S24O on my Bombadil
She:  OK, be careful.  Where are you going?
Me:  It's just a couple hour ride.  I'm riding the Bombadil back to the 
rear end of the Rosco Bubbe.  That's where the tent is.  
She:  What if I need to get in touch with you?
Me:  Well, the handlebars of the Rosco Bubbe will be in the garage, so if 
you need me, just pull the rear brake lever, and I'll see it at the 
campsite


On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:03:59 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

  I'm looking forward to Rosco jokes like the following:

  

 Hey guys, I'll be back in a few minutes. I'm gonna dismount and take a 
 walk to the back end of my Rosco and look for my camp stove.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Esteban 
 Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:26 AM 
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load 
 bias! 

 I'm 11... so you'd probably get some strike with those big flippers of 
 yours!  Rosco P. Coltrane has those loong stays, so you could set up a 
 tent on the back and never even see it!

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:16:59 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: 

 What size shoe are you, Esteban? I am a US 13 and found it too
 difficult, but forget if that was using toe clips or if it was
 platforms. Irony of course is I've finally wound up with a
 monster-stayed Trek 728... probably would work well on Sir Rosco Bubbe
 too. 

 =- Joe

 On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe!  I have the rack mounted on the
  fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward
  rack-mount eyelets.  Bags are pushed all the way back.  I experiences 
 some
  heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but I
  have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a lot. 
  I
  wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on 
 there.
   Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a
  Saluki.
 
  On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
  I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
  heel-strike?
 
  =- Joe
 
  On 4/11/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
   hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
  
  
   I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
  
   If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
  
   -sv
  
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Re: [RBW] titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread Bruce Herbitter

If i could magically subtract 5 lbs from my derriere,  i would too.

Sent from my Kindle Fire

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From: William tapebu...@gmail.com
Sent: Wed Apr 11 15:26:02 CDT 2012
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] titanium for touring

Anne nails it again.  

We still need to work on that gravity control knob.  :)

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:59:39 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

I rode cross country with a fellow on a Seven titanium bike. It was
fine, he was fine. I'm quite sure that the five pounds or whatever
difference between a loaded Atlantis and a loaded Seven will make
approximately zero difference in their handling in the wind. (I'm not
saying they handle the same, just that the difference will not come
from the lightness of the Seven frame.)  And if both bikes are loaded
similarly, they'll have the same center of gravity, too.

I've done a tiny amount of touring on my Klein touring bike. It too
was fine. I prefer my Atlantis for touring, but again, not because the
Klein is too light. If I could magically subtract five pounds from my
Atlantis and change nothing else, I would.

This is a complete non-issue.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:35 PM, dr...@charter.net dr...@charter.net wrote:
 Boy did I get an eye opener today. Went out cycling- very windy,
 usually take my Atlantis for days like this, however Project Atlantis
 is still in the works. Took my Klein, got blown into gravel and fell
 over- no injury due to low speed and helmet bumping the concrete
 instead of head. I know that I would not have fallen on my Atlantis
 due to its stability.

 Which raises the question of someone taking a lightweight Titanium
 touring bike cross country. Friend is letting son do this, with
 trepidation. When we spoke a year ago my advice was obviously a steel
 bike. He recently told me he got a Salsa, Titanium bike. Went to their
 website and they do have one model they advertise for long distance
 touring- very light.

 Obviously they will have panniers to weigh the bike down, but the bike
 itself and thus the center of gravity is very light, although I know
 Titanium is strong. Does anyone know anything about touring with such
 a light bike. For some reason, I always felt that the weight of my
 Atlantis is what made it feel so safe no matter what the conditions.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?


Compared to what came later, the only functional drawback of the Ram is tire 
clearance, and it's not really a drawback compared to the rest of the world. 
The Ram can ONLY take 700x33.3's without fenders.

Rivendells evolved since the Ram's inception in 2001, and both AHH and Roadeo 
beat out the Ram in tire/fender clearance. But necessarily in awesomeness.


-Original Message-
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Jim (Cyclefiend and keeper of this list) has the a very good page on
the Ram on his website

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html

If I remember correctly the AHH compared to the Ram has slightly
stouter tubing, wider clearance for tires and fenders (built around
the Silver brake) and a few other differences.

Regarding the rack mounts the later Rams had rack mounts midway down
the fork, not sure about midway down the seat stays. If I ever have to
repaint my Ram I will have the mid fork mounts added.

hope that helps.


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 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older
 stuff somewhere on their site?

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread JL

IMHO The Roadeo is not a direct Decendant of the Rambouillet but
Rivendell does tend to make bikes with overlap.

The geometry of any bikes tends to fluctuate a little over the size
range so  it is important to consider the size when making a
comparison.

The AHH could be seen as a re-evaluation of the design ideas the Ram
was built under.  As others have pointed out the advances in bicycle
components made the AHH possible.  The Rambouillet has less tire
clearance (54mm brake reach +/- a small variation across production
runs) than the AHH (65mm +/-).  The Ram has rear rack eyelets on the
seat stays. The two bikes (Ram and AHH) are similar in geometry yet
different enough to be cousins rather than siblings.

The Roadeo has geometry similar to the original Road Standard and
almost identical to the Legolas.  The Geometry of the Roadeo is not
very similar to the the Ram although they both has similar tire
clearance.  The Roadeo has steeper head tube and seat tube anlges as
well as a shorter top tube and lighter tubing than the Ram/Rom.  The
two bikes feel different.

It could be said that in the 700c sizes the Roadeo and the AHH overlap
with the AHH being more capable of being set up to do road duty. The
Roadeo could not be set up as effectively with racks and loaded
accessories.  The Rambouillet overlaps with both of those bikes but
favors the side of the AHH.

I think the Ram is a good do anything sort of a bike for someone who
isn't interested in very large tire + fender clearance.  I have a 54cm
ram and really enjoy it.  That said, I would trade it for a Saluki or
an Atlantis if I had the possibility.

JL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Great point. When the Ram came out, things had not evolved as much as they are now. Much has happened since 2001 when the Ram was hatched.

The Ram was the best at the time for versatility in a road bikeeven though it "only" had standard reach brakes - but hey, way more versatile than short reach. And in 2002 we were saying, "fingers crossed, I think Shimano's gonna make an Ultegra in Standard, oh please, oh please, oh please." And then it happened!

Within the next year, I got my Ram, and got those Ultegras. I was (and still am) so happy with the versatility, but I had no idea that just afew years later, clearances were going to widen even more.

Similarly, rack options have evolved with more mini-racks, so while you can still do a lot with a Ram, things have gotten even better. The midstay braze-ons made it onto the very last Rams made but not the earlier ones. Those are cool.

So the Ram blazed trails even thought its successors are slightly more versatile. It's like that older player in the league who inspired the younger superstars, but the old dude can still hang with them.

-Original Message- From: Cyclofiend Jim Sent: Apr 11, 2012 11:56 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea. I recall GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was hoping for "standard reach brakes" from the major manufacturers. When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly large clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen. The Hilsen kind of slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched a bit more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss of clearances) range.Here's an interesting image or two - The Rambouillet rear clearance - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpgShown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) and Dia Compe 505Q brake.The Hilsen rear clearance - http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpgShown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes.As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet- Jim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Big-sized Roadeos have same tubing thickness as Ram.
-Original Message- From: Michael_S Sent: Apr 11, 2012 12:26 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? From what I recall ( having owned a Ram) that the Ram and Hilsen were both made from the same wall thicknesstubing ( 8-5-8). The Roadeo has thinner tubing from what I read. The Hilsen had better tire clearances. My Ram would only barely fit a Jack Brown in front w/o fender. The back would fit a 37mm Pasela. Some of the last Ram's had mid fork braze on's too.
It was a great riding bike, the lack of clearance in front led to me selling it.

~mikeOn Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:
I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just aHilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Big-sized Roadeos have same tubing thickness as Ram.

Great info. Thanks.

- Ryan






On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:37:40 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 Big-sized Roadeos have same tubing thickness as Ram.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Michael_S 
 Sent: Apr 11, 2012 12:26 PM 
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other 
 Rivs? 

 From what I recall ( having owned a Ram) that the Ram and Hilsen were both 
 made from the same  wall thickness tubing  ( 8-5-8).  The Roadeo has 
 thinner tubing from what I read. The Hilsen had better tire clearances. My 
 Ram would only barely  fit a Jack Brown in front w/o fender. The back would 
 fit a 37mm Pasela.  Some of the last Ram's had mid fork braze on's too.  
 It was a great riding bike, the lack of clearance in front led to me 
 selling it.

 ~mike

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote: 

 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
 stuff somewhere on their site?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?


In the largest size (size region where the OP is interested), the Ram and 
Roadeo are pretty similar: Same angles in seat and head tube, same toptube, 1 
cm different in chainstay, 4 mm different in BB drop, not sure of the trail, 
but I'll be they are similar.


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The Roadeo has geometry similar to the original Road Standard and
almost identical to the Legolas.  The Geometry of the Roadeo is not
very similar to the the Ram although they both has similar tire
clearance.  The Roadeo has steeper head tube and seat tube anlges as
well as a shorter top tube and lighter tubing than the Ram/Rom.  The
two bikes feel different.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Do you have those spec from the Ram handy?

Not that it matters. I rode it, loved it.

- Ryan




On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:48:10 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 In the largest size (size region where the OP is interested), the Ram and 
 Roadeo are pretty similar: Same angles in seat and head tube, same toptube, 
 1 cm different in chainstay, 4 mm different in BB drop, not sure of the 
 trail, but I'll be they are similar.


 -Original Message-
 From: JL subfas...@gmail.com

 The Roadeo has geometry similar to the original Road Standard and
 almost identical to the Legolas.  The Geometry of the Roadeo is not
 very similar to the the Ram although they both has similar tire
 clearance.  The Roadeo has steeper head tube and seat tube anlges as
 well as a shorter top tube and lighter tubing than the Ram/Rom.  The
 two bikes feel different.
 



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[RBW] Re: Specialized Sequoia

2012-04-11 Thread Michael Hechmer

Which Sequoia?  My wife rides an '83 and loves it.  I think we paid around 
that for her bike, but it's been a while.   I think the Sequoia and the 
Trek 620 were the hi water marks for sport-touring bikes in the '80's  and 
the improvements on their design has been marginal since then.

Michael

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:37:52 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I have an opportunnity to buy a 60cm Specialized Sequoia ($650) in almost 
 new condition. My interweb research has let me know that these bikes have a 
 dedicated following. I was wondering if anyone here has one and could 
 possibly tell me their thoughts about the bike and also, if the price is in 
 the ball park?

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[RBW] Fwd: [BOB] Mini Pumps 4 sale

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Date: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:56 PM
Subject: [BOB] Mini Pumps 4 sale
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I have some Mini Pumps I'd like to sell.

Zefal TX switch  blue with water bottle frame clips$15

Crank Bros. clear mini with volume/ pressure selection $15

Lezene High Pressure mini pump with internal hose.$25


All brand new  and unused. The Zefal has been mounted to a bike for a
while, but never used.

Prices do not include shipping.  If prices seem unfair feel free to
make offer(s)

Pics here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88604793@N00/sets/72157629431518270/

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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

The Rosco bike is a sublime ride - like a hammock.  Everyone should try it 
- it will surprise you.  It will also make terms like toe-clip overlap 
and heel-stirke useless. 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:17:55 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 Me:  Hey honey, I'm going to go on an S24O on my Bombadil
 She:  OK, be careful.  Where are you going?
 Me:  It's just a couple hour ride.  I'm riding the Bombadil back to the 
 rear end of the Rosco Bubbe.  That's where the tent is.  
 She:  What if I need to get in touch with you?
 Me:  Well, the handlebars of the Rosco Bubbe will be in the garage, so if 
 you need me, just pull the rear brake lever, and I'll see it at the 
 campsite


 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:03:59 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

  I'm looking forward to Rosco jokes like the following:

  

 Hey guys, I'll be back in a few minutes. I'm gonna dismount and take a 
 walk to the back end of my Rosco and look for my camp stove.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Esteban 
 Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:26 AM 
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load 
 bias! 

 I'm 11... so you'd probably get some strike with those big flippers of 
 yours!  Rosco P. Coltrane has those loong stays, so you could set up a 
 tent on the back and never even see it!

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:16:59 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: 

 What size shoe are you, Esteban? I am a US 13 and found it too
 difficult, but forget if that was using toe clips or if it was
 platforms. Irony of course is I've finally wound up with a
 monster-stayed Trek 728... probably would work well on Sir Rosco Bubbe
 too. 

 =- Joe

 On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe!  I have the rack mounted on the
  fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward
  rack-mount eyelets.  Bags are pushed all the way back.  I experiences 
 some
  heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but 
 I
  have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a 
 lot.  I
  wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on 
 there.
   Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a
  Saluki.
 
  On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
  I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
  heel-strike?
 
  =- Joe
 
  On 4/11/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
   hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
  
  
   I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
  
   If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
  
   -sv
  
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[RBW] Re: Spring Cleaning: Riv-ish items FS

2012-04-11 Thread Rob H.

A couple other items:

Velo-Orange Campagne handlebar bag, never used: $90
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-campagne-handlebar-bag.html

Nitto R-10 rear bag support, keeps your saddlebag (like a Nigel
Smythe, Sackville, or Carradice) from hitting your tire. Clamps on the
seat post and connects to either braze-ons or P-clamps: $80
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=872

Feel free to make me an offer on any of these items. Discounts given
for combo purchases. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Specialized Sequoia

2012-04-11 Thread Brian Campbell

This is an 83 ( I think). So what I am gathering is that is similar to a 
Ram in function but a bit more generic in looks? 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:55:45 PM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote:

 Which Sequoia?  My wife rides an '83 and loves it.  I think we paid around 
 that for her bike, but it's been a while.   I think the Sequoia and the 
 Trek 620 were the hi water marks for sport-touring bikes in the '80's  and 
 the improvements on their design has been marginal since then.

 Michael

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:37:52 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I have an opportunnity to buy a 60cm Specialized Sequoia ($650) in almost 
 new condition. My interweb research has let me know that these bikes have a 
 dedicated following. I was wondering if anyone here has one and could 
 possibly tell me their thoughts about the bike and also, if the price is in 
 the ball park?



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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

Yo' Rosco sooo lng he's got a peg leg AND a kickstand.

On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Rosco bike is a sublime ride - like a hammock.  Everyone should try it
 - it will surprise you.  It will also make terms like toe-clip overlap
 and heel-stirke useless.

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:17:55 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 Me:  Hey honey, I'm going to go on an S24O on my Bombadil
 She:  OK, be careful.  Where are you going?
 Me:  It's just a couple hour ride.  I'm riding the Bombadil back to the
 rear end of the Rosco Bubbe.  That's where the tent is.
 She:  What if I need to get in touch with you?
 Me:  Well, the handlebars of the Rosco Bubbe will be in the garage, so if

 you need me, just pull the rear brake lever, and I'll see it at the
 campsite


 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:03:59 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

  I'm looking forward to Rosco jokes like the following:



 Hey guys, I'll be back in a few minutes. I'm gonna dismount and take a
 walk to the back end of my Rosco and look for my camp stove.

 -Original Message-
 From: Esteban
 Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:26 AM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load
 bias!

 I'm 11... so you'd probably get some strike with those big flippers of
 yours!  Rosco P. Coltrane has those loong stays, so you could set up
 a
 tent on the back and never even see it!

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:16:59 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 What size shoe are you, Esteban? I am a US 13 and found it too
 difficult, but forget if that was using toe clips or if it was
 platforms. Irony of course is I've finally wound up with a
 monster-stayed Trek 728... probably would work well on Sir Rosco Bubbe
 too.

 =- Joe

 On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe!  I have the rack mounted on
  the
  fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward
  rack-mount eyelets.  Bags are pushed all the way back.  I experiences
 some
  heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but
 
 I
  have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a
 lot.  I
  wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on
 there.
   Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a
  Saluki.
 
  On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
  I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
  heel-strike?
 
  =- Joe
 
  On 4/11/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
  
  
   I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
  
   If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
  
   -sv
  
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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

2012-04-11 Thread franklyn


How long is really the chainstay? Grant only wrote that some sizes will 
have chainstays longer than 46cm. My wife's 1982 Trek 720 has a chainstay 
of 47cm, and you can definitely see and feel that extra length. One place 
where one experiences issue is chain length. A brand new SRAM 970 chain out 
of package is not long enough for 46T chainring/32T large cog combination. 
I was too lazy to lengthen the chain but tagging on a few more links, but 
for now just told my wife not to shift to the Big-Big combination lest she 
wants to break the derailleur. 

Franklyn

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:03:59 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

  I'm looking forward to Rosco jokes like the following:

  

 Hey guys, I'll be back in a few minutes. I'm gonna dismount and take a 
 walk to the back end of my Rosco and look for my camp stove.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Esteban 
 Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:26 AM 
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load 
 bias! 

 I'm 11... so you'd probably get some strike with those big flippers of 
 yours!  Rosco P. Coltrane has those loong stays, so you could set up a 
 tent on the back and never even see it!

 On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:16:59 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: 

 What size shoe are you, Esteban? I am a US 13 and found it too
 difficult, but forget if that was using toe clips or if it was
 platforms. Irony of course is I've finally wound up with a
 monster-stayed Trek 728... probably would work well on Sir Rosco Bubbe
 too. 

 =- Joe

 On 4/11/12, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe!  I have the rack mounted on the
  fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward
  rack-mount eyelets.  Bags are pushed all the way back.  I experiences 
 some
  heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but I
  have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a lot. 
  I
  wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on 
 there.
   Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a
  Saluki.
 
  On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
  I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
  heel-strike?
 
  =- Joe
 
  On 4/11/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
   hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
  
  
   I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
  
   If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
  
   -sv
  
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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Michael Hechmer

I think Grant always wants to design and promote versatility, no matter 
which end of the spectrum he is designing at.  When I bought my Ram, Riv 
literature touted its  ability as both a smooth fast road bike and a stable 
trail bike.  Likewise they promoted the Atlantis as a touring bike that was 
fine for brevets.  None of that was untrue but the Atlantis excels as a 
touring bike and the Rambouillet as a fast club or brevet bike.  I've been 
riding for more than 40 years and I have never had a bike I loved more than 
my Rambouillet, and a couple of years ago, I reconfigured it as a go fast, 
long days in the saddle bike:
http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100094  The Ram is absolutely ideal with 
28-30 mm tires, nice Al fenders and the breeze in your face.

The AHH and the Rodeo clearly bracket the Ram.  One is slightly stouter and 
handles noticeably bigger tires and the other more flexible with just a 
smidge more tire clearance. The AHH is built to be more stable under load 
and the Rodeo more agile when you are jumping across hills.

I've never seen the Rodeo in person and have wondered how Grant fit 33.3 mm 
tires under 57 mm brakes??!!  I recently put a set of Jack Brown's on my 
Ebisu All Arounder and just love the ride.  I think I'd like a bike that 
was as responsive as my Ram and as comfortable as jack Browns on a dirt 
road.  Of course their is alway a problem when one wants everything!

Michael

 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:56:20 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the 
 comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are 
 currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short 
 reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, 
 there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea.  I recall 
 GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was 
 hoping for standard reach brakes from the major manufacturers.  

 When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly 
 large clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen.  The Hilsen 
 kind of slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched 
 a bit more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss 
 of clearances) range.

 Here's an interesting image or two - 

 The Rambouillet rear clearance - 
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg

 Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) 
 and Dia Compe 505Q brake.

 The Hilsen rear clearance - 
 http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg

 Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes.

 As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - 
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet

 - Jim



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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread Bruce Herbitter

I have both the Ram and (hilsen) Saluki.  The lugsets, tubing, and geometries 
are a bit different. My Ram is currently (unfendered) running 37 mm Paselas 
with apparent space to maybe put a 38 in. I have not tried. It's heavier than a 
Roadro and more versatile. Mine has 9k miles of happy riding on it.

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?


I think Grant always wants to design and promote versatility, no matter which 
end of the spectrum he is designing at.  When I bought my Ram, Riv literature 
touted its  ability as both a smooth fast road bike and a stable trail bike.  
Likewise they promoted the Atlantis as a touring bike that was fine for 
brevets.  None of that was untrue but the Atlantis excels as a touring bike and 
the Rambouillet as a fast club or brevet bike.  I've been riding for more than 
40 years and I have never had a bike I loved more than my Rambouillet, and a 
couple of years ago, I reconfigured it as a go fast, long days in the saddle 
bike:

http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100094  The Ram is absolutely ideal with 28-30 
mm tires, nice Al fenders and the breeze in your face.


The AHH and the Rodeo clearly bracket the Ram.  One is slightly stouter and 
handles noticeably bigger tires and the other more flexible with just a smidge 
more tire clearance. The AHH is built to be more stable under load and the 
Rodeo more agile when you are jumping across hills.


I've never seen the Rodeo in person and have wondered how Grant fit 33.3 mm 
tires under 57 mm brakes??!!  I recently put a set of Jack Brown's on my Ebisu 
All Arounder and just love the ride.  I think I'd like a bike that was as 
responsive as my Ram and as comfortable as jack Browns on a dirt road.  Of 
course their is alway a problem when one wants everything!


Michael


 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:56:20 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the comparative 
lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are currently enjoying. At 
the time, the common brakes were typically short reach, and though the 
Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, there was just not a lot of 
hardware which supported that idea.  I recall GP lamenting in his end-of-year 
wish lists in Readers from then that he was hoping for standard reach brakes 
from the major manufacturers.  

When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly large 
clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen.  The Hilsen kind of slid 
the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched a bit more toward 
the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss of clearances) 
range.

Here's an interesting image or two - 

The Rambouillet rear clearance - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg

Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) and 
Dia Compe 505Q brake.

The Hilsen rear clearance - 
http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg

Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes.

As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Spring Cleaning: Riv-ish items FS

2012-04-11 Thread Scot Brooks

I'll take the leather mudflaps. No idea how to PM from the mobile version of 
groups. scothinck...@gmail.com

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Somehow we've completely missed a big difference between the Hilsen and the 
Ram. 

(attached photo)


On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
 maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
 a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
 stuff somewhere on their site?

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

2012-04-11 Thread reynoldslugs

I ride both a Rambouillet and a Roadeo.  They are two of my favorite
bikes.  Their rides are very similar - - riding on 32mm Schwalbe
Kojaks for both bikes.  Both bikes see lots of use on crummy Sonoma
County Roads.  It is an utter joy to ride smooth, light, comfortable
steel bikes that easily fit 32mm tires.

Rambouillet:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157627837620505/

Roadeo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157625293944684/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157625470080748/

I'm grateful Rivendell made these frames.  They are both excellent
bikes.

Max Beach

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

Is this real? I'm well aware of modifications and variations, but I'm still pretty surpised to see a 2TT Ram. I know there have been some repaired with second tubes added, but I didn't know they ever got the standard decals and paint. Pretty cool! And it looks good.

-Original Message- From: Ryan Ray Sent: Apr 11, 2012 4:02 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Somehow we've completely missed a big difference between the Hilsen and the Ram.

(attached photo)
On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just aHilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?