date:20120823


>
> Thanks Travis. I will listen carefully to what my body is telling me with 
>> any changes I make.
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[RBW] Re: Birthday Ride to Half Moon Bay State Beach


>
> Happy Birthday, Manny!
> You all have some great scenic spots out on the pacific coast.
> Best thing on a birthday is to go for a great ride!
> Your Dad looks good on the bike!
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Re: [RBW] Mark's Rack to cantis?

2012-08-23 Thread Dan McNamara

Just took some measurements. I think those struts are too short. I think you 
need more like 160-180 depending on the bike. 

I was thinking about trying this on one of my bikes and then gave up. Went with 
p-clamps instead. 

Dan

SF 

On Aug 23, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> Gang,
> 
> I should just ask the crew, but figure the knowledge is in here as well...
> 
> Is it functionally possible to set up a Mark's Rack on a canti-bossed
> (and non-midfork-eyelet) bike without resorting to p-clamps? E.g.,
> using "Campee" struts
> (http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7978)
> and diving board to the fork crown?
> 
> Thanks
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Longboard fender rub

2012-08-23 Thread Stonehog

I would say that from my experience, properly installed metal fenders are 
silent. 

Mobile Brian Hanson

On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:09 PM, john  wrote:

> I seem to have good clearance. I will try for more. I agree with you: 
> although they aren't perfect, they are good. I don't like the idea of metal 
> fenders for many reasons, but chief among them is the issue of rattle. I'd 
> rather deal with some rubbing noise than constant rattle of metal. The 
> longboards are easy to install, they are strong (if not especially rigid), 
> relatively light, and in my opinion, good looking. If they could just be 
> perfect!
> 
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:41:09 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
> I am using them on my Legolas with 33mm Jack Browns and 35mm Schwalbe Cross 
> tires. No problem at all.
> I do see the end of the fender vibrate a mm or two laterally on rough roads.
> I think the key is to insure you have enough clearance between tire and 
> fender. I like a full consistent 1cm there.
>  
> They are not the perfect fender, with a bit of leaking off the sides at times 
> especially where the stay mounting hardware is bolted to the fender.
> But they are cheap, rugged, easy to install, mostly effective, and I think 
> good looking. 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:02:48 AM UTC-6, john wrote:
> I experience annoying rubbing near the bottom of the fender when going over 
> rough pavement, gravel, etc. Seems that there is not a lot of torsional 
> rigidity in these fenders. I have adjusted several times. 
> 
> I run these fenders on a 60cm Sam with Pasella 35C tires. Anyone else out 
> there experience the same thing? Any suggestions?
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[RBW] ISO Threaded 1" fork with Canti studs, drilled crown

2012-08-23 Thread Michael Williams

Hey group,   wondering if anyone has a touring/cyclocross fork with canti 
studs and a drilled frok crown laying around.   Color is not really 
important, as long as it is straight and has roughly 250mm of steere 
tube.SOMA sells a really nice looking 1" threadless fork,   but Im not 
sure how a 1" threadless system would work.Could someone explain? 
thanks in advance.   -Mike

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Re: [RBW] Birthday Ride to Half Moon Bay State Beach

2012-08-23 Thread jimD

Another Manny classic ride!
Your pop is a real sport.
Fun!
Thanks,
JimD
On Aug 23, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Manuel Acosta wrote:

> What better way to spend your birthday then to bike with your family? Biking 
> with your family on Planet of the Apes road! My little brother and my dad on 
> his new bosco bar road bike tackled Planet of the Apes road in typical San 
> Francisco/Bay Area summer weather. Foggy. Maybe a half mile of visibility we 
> started with a flat at my parents house. Already I knew this ride was going 
> to be a good one. We get on the long BART ride to Daly City to find the 
> weather didn't improved. So we started riding. One trait I'm proud to have 
> taken from my dad was his ability to not quit without a lot of cursing. 
> Despite climbing  his own personal best in terms of elevation he was in good 
> spirits, with plenty of stops and plenty of food albeit with lots of cursing. 
> The descent was by far a different story. At one point  while coming down my 
> brother and I stop to take pictures, my dad still figuring out the whole 
> braking on dirt slides the bike underneath him and instead of falling runs 
> along uncontrollably down the hill. He eventually stops himself and my 
> brother and I couldn't help from laughing at the scene. My dad made a fuss 
> but we scolded at him about braking safety. Lovely how the shoe fits on the 
> other foot. We had a great time riding into Half Moon Bay State Beach where 
> we beat my girlfriend and the rest of my family at the picnic area.  Good 
> times all around when you have tons of bbq to eat. Glad I can celebrate 
> another great day of riding with the family.
> 
> Pictures proved that I'm one year older:
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBzL32q
> 
> -Manny " I'm old enough" Acosta
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your Rivendell story?

2012-08-23 Thread Bruce Herbitter

I drooled over the Romulus ad on the Harris Cyclery web site and kept
hoping that someday I could afford one. By the time I could, they were not
carried any more. (I hadn't yet caught on the the generally brief window of
opportunity for ANY Rivendell offering) Not to shed too many tears for that
lost chance, I jumped on one the blue Rams and haven't looked back since.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Rick  wrote:

> Rode a lot a lot as a kid, we used to carry shovels and hoes around to
> carve paths out of the woods which we traversed largely on the schwinn
> offering of the day. But (cue bike snob) stopped riding when my sister
> went off to college and I got the keys to the CJ7.  My two-wheeler,
> while topless, did not have the cache of the jeep.  Post-college, got
> into mountain biking with friends, checked out some B-stone product,
> but wound up with a '90 Specialized Rockhopper that went through a
> couple of front forks due to a surely questionable riding style.
>
> After landing back in Atlanta and with a regular job, the bike-
> commuting light came on.  I started trolling the internets, and one
> thing or another led me to the Bob list and then the RBW website.  Got
> a bunch of parts to re-fashion the Rockhopper -- still alive and doing
> well, mismatched Richey fork and all -- starting with the stem-riser
> to get the bars up (thanks Keven).  After a couple of years I finally
> pulled the trigger on a Bleriot, reportedly one of the last demo's off
> the floor at HQ.  Later, my Atlantis, for which I even had the
> audacity to request a special color.  I've since turned on about a
> half dozen folks to RBW, two of whom I ride with weekly.  And I got my
> wife a Betty. Spent half an hour on the pavement with a local office
> worker yesterday who spotted my 'muter, was familiar with Rivendell,
> and was considering an Atlantis.   Disciples must evangelize when a
> polite opportunity arises.
>
> I still want a Homer.  And a Bombadil.  Those pictures of the Saluki
> with the hetres and red tape that went up recently (and is now my
> desktop photo) sounded a resonant pang in my chest cavity -- that's
> the bike I was coveting when I opted for the Bleriot.  I think a
> Roadeo would be a wonderful addition to the stable.  I have a home
> renovation to get through, but after that I should have some extra
> room in the garage.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Two Rivs for sale in Seattle

2012-08-23 Thread cyclotourist

Hoozah!

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Marc Schwartz  wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> CONGRATULATIONS!
>
> A truly wonderful bicycle
>
> Marc
> 
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com]
> on behalf of Kathy C [kathy19...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:01 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Two Rivs for sale in Seattle
>
> Everyone can relax, I got the Glorious.
>
> Kathy
>
> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:19:07 PM UTC-4, spru...@gmail.com wrote:
> Mitch,
>
> The Glorius was sized by rider height, not PBH.  See this archived link:
>
> cweb.archive.org/web/20050207220713/http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_mixte.html
> <
> http://cweb.archive.org/web/20050207220713/http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_mixte.html
> >
>
> If it helps, my wife is 5'6" (five-six-and-a-half" she would say). She
> has a 56cm Glorius that still shows a fist-full of post:
> http://www.cord.edu/faculty/sprunger/bikes/glorius/
>
> Hope this helps,
> David Sprunger
> Fargo, ND
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> > Does anyone know the recommended Glorius size for a woman with 78 PBH?
> > Couldn't find on Riv's website.
> >
> > Please don't let this happen 
> >
> > Mitch Browne
> > San Luis Obispo, CA
> >
> >
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RE: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Riders Brooks Saddle

2012-08-23 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

This is an interesting idea, which might allow easier funding of new projects 
(and give some insight into whether a Riv-sympathetic group would buy such 
products).  Seems like it could be helpful. 

-Original Message-
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Riders Brooks Saddle

It seems like Rivendell would benefit from using Kickstarter (or some other 
assurance contract system) to revive older products and launch new ones.

If I could commit $180 dollars or so to a Select version of the Rivendell 
Riders saddle, I may. If a similar commitment would help the Ventile riding 
jacket along, or periodically revive the bullmoose (dull-brite!), or bring back 
the polo-neck riding sweater, I'd be first in line!

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM, PittsburghRider  wrote:
> I'd be interested in one too.  Put me on the list!
>
> rusty
>
>
> On Monday, August 20, 2012 12:53:46 PM UTC-4, Marty wrote:
>>
>> Came across this by accident today, and couldn't help but think it 
>> would be nice to have one. Minimum order mandate from Brooks I suppose...
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8729526@N02/7635118768/in/photostream
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[RBW] Idea for real RivCustom head badges. What would yours be?

2012-08-23 Thread Leslie

http://www.headbadges.com/

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[RBW] Birthday Ride to Half Moon Bay State Beach

2012-08-23 Thread Manuel Acosta

What better way to spend your birthday then to bike with your family? 
Biking with your family on Planet of the Apes road! My little brother and 
my dad on his new bosco bar road bike tackled Planet of the Apes road in 
typical San Francisco/Bay Area summer weather. Foggy. Maybe a half mile of 
visibility we started with a flat at my parents house. Already I knew this 
ride was going to be a good one. We get on the long BART ride to Daly City 
to find the weather didn't improved. So we started riding. One trait I'm 
proud to have taken from my dad was his ability to not quit without a lot 
of cursing. Despite climbing  his own personal best in terms of elevation 
he was in good spirits, with plenty of stops and plenty of food albeit with 
lots of cursing. The descent was by far a different story. At one point 
 while coming down my brother and I stop to take pictures, my dad still 
figuring out the whole braking on dirt slides the bike underneath him and 
instead of falling runs along uncontrollably down the hill. He eventually 
stops himself and my brother and I couldn't help from laughing at the 
scene. My dad made a fuss but we scolded at him about braking safety. 
Lovely how the shoe fits on the other foot. We had a great time riding into 
Half Moon Bay State Beach where we beat my girlfriend and the rest of my 
family at the picnic area.  Good times all around when you have tons of bbq 
to eat. Glad I can celebrate another great day of riding with the family.

Pictures proved that I'm one year older:
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBzL32q

-Manny " I'm old enough" Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack to cantis?

2012-08-23 Thread Manuel Acosta

pretty sure you can fudge it to make it work. I always tell people if it 
doesn't fit, force it in.

-Manny

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[RBW] Re: Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

2012-08-23 Thread Travis


>
> Everything in moderation. In my experience, allowing my saddle too much 
> setback caused some other problems to appear - less control, a stiffer 
> lower back, and more knee pain. So yes, I think a saddle can have too much 
> set-back.
>

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[RBW] Mark's Rack to cantis?

2012-08-23 Thread Joe Bunik

Gang,

I should just ask the crew, but figure the knowledge is in here as well...

Is it functionally possible to set up a Mark's Rack on a canti-bossed
(and non-midfork-eyelet) bike without resorting to p-clamps? E.g.,
using "Campee" struts
(http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7978)
and diving board to the fork crown?

Thanks
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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[RBW] Re: Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.


>
> I am going to try #3, but also try KOPS, just to see where everything 
> lines up in all 3 options, just for curiosity.
>  
>
I will check out the Peter White article, too.
 
I think since I am enjoying the high bars, I am just trashing the BGFit by 
doing that anyway, and there is no way I am going to go back to low bars 
like on the race bike. So I may as well chuck the pro fit and work on fit 
for pure comfort. That's what it's all about for me anyway.
 
Thanks for all the great info, everyone. Keep the advice coming if you have 
other thoughts/advice/ideas. I really need them.
 
Is there anything to avoid, for the sake of not hurting myself from 
repetitive motion? I know the seat height should not be too low or high.
Is there a problem with saddle too far forward/back? I know someone said 
their PT told them to be behind the pedal spindle.
 

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Re: [RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.


On Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:03:58 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 'Scuse the poor editing. Ignore text below "Clear...". 
>
...But, Patrick,  I* liked* the text below "clear".
>
 

> Thanks for all the great info. It really appears that a bike fit done on 
> one bike cannot be transfered to another.
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: In case it's not already old news: Grant's book on (in?) boston.com

2012-08-23 Thread Jim Mather

I own a Calfee Luna Pro. I bought the frameset used at a very low price,
otherwise I would not have bought it. It has a mix of DuraAce and Ultegra.
The rims, bars, stem and seatpost are alloy, not carbon, and I run 28mm
tires, so it's not as light as it could be (same could be said for me). I
have the cockpit set up about the same as my Legolas, which means the bars
are at or a little above saddle height.

The Calfee handles as well as any bike I've ridden, as does the Legolas. On
both I can rail fast downhill corners with confidence. The Calfee is a
little lighter than the Legolas, and I notice the difference especially
during acceleration. Is it an advantage? I don't race so, no, it's not an
advantage. It's a heckuva lot of fun to ride, though. Which would I take on
a road century? Probably the Calfee. Which would I take on a mixed-terrain
ride? No question, the Legolas. And though the Calfee takes 28mm tires
(wide compared to many cf bikes), the Legolas will take 40's.

happy trails
jim m
wc ca



On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I forgot to include: has anyone ridden a CF bike that handles much
> like Rivendells, as described below? If so, are there any advantages
> to the CF bike over Rivendells? We know there are certainly
> disadvantages.
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM, PATRICK MOORE 
> wrote:
> > Kelly: thanks, very interesting comparison. My own experience of
> > Rivendells' handling -- including that of the Sam HIll, which I
> > didn't, overall, like well enough to keep -- is exactly this supremely
> > confident, fast cornering combined with an almost "intuitive"
> > (cliche', I know) willingness to go where you want them to. And your
> > remarks about the CF ride supports what others say: that unless you
> > are going to ride them very agressively, they are not really
> > rewarding.
> >
> > Patrick "wish I could average 22 mph over 160 miles" Moore
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Kelly  wrote:
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> I road high end cf for ten years.   Aggressive setup .. Mavic carbone
> wheels etc...
> >> My routine was 1000 miles early in season to get neck arms and arse
> ready and to be comfy.
> >> Wasn't very comfortable for first 500 or so.
> >>
> >> Was a sweet ride at 65 mph coming down off veil pass.  Had nice high
> end wobble on one frame in turn at just over 55 mph in Boulder ... Road
> RAIN 160 miles one way one day on it..seemed nice and finished just over 22
> mph average.
> >>
> >> Road average of 10 to 12 centuries per year.
> >>
> >> I would avoid many roads as they were to rough ... Hated concrete
> roads, and had numerous flats tooling around town.  Broke axles,
> handlebars, seat posts, and frame.. Then had to replace a frame after
> impact on roof rack.  Manufacter indicated it could last forever or fail
> thus said not to ride it.
> >>
> >> Fast sprint bike and great for the 30 mile rides...
> >>
> >> I was always looking to get the ride over with.  Never got on the bike
> to meander through the park.  Burned out on going all out all the time ..
> It was fun for a long time So was my two seater Jensen Healy ... But
> just as I'll never go back to the Jenson, I'll also never be stuck with
> just a cf bike.  Today I get on my bike for short rides turned long... Long
> rides turned short.. On just about any clothing and the roads I though were
> rough are actually pretty smooth.
> >>
> >> My AHH may be slower, and I miss some of the sprints, and even the bar
> to bar shoulder to shoulder banging all out major crash waiting to happen
> riding... On occasion ..
> >>  Until I get on that sweet quick, smooth, fast downhill corner hugging
> AHH.  And I don't need all those miles to be comfy.. Just get on the thing.
> >>
> >>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5155759637/in/set-72157625210417815
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:28:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
> >>>
> http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/brookline/2012/08/on_biking_just_ride_urges_less.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 8/15.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Petersen says professional bike racing has corrupted a beautiful
> >>>
> >>> thing." -- There is some truth to that, with racing driving recent
> >>>
> >>> hyperactive hard-sell marketing, but man, old, steel racing bikes from
> >>>
> >>> the '60s through the early '80s? Some of those were wonderful bikes!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can you ride a modern carbon fiber bike in other than full race mode?
> >>>
> >>> In other words: I've read several reviews of CF race bikes that
> >>>
> >>> describe them as unrewarding to ride except at high power. Are all CF
> >>>
> >>> racing bikes -- or, tout court, bikes -- like this? (I realize that
> >>>
> >>> that is a matter of design, no material.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone ride and really like a CF bike? I'd be curious to learn
> >>>
> >>> about it: make, model, setup, ride qualities -- handling, comfort,
> >>>
> >>> acceleration and so forth. I do know t

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet 50 cm complete (blue) - $1300

2012-08-23 Thread sean

Bike is sold. Thanks,
 
Sean

On Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:34:43 PM UTC-5, sean wrote:

> Hello fellow Rivendellians,
>
> My riding style and priorities have changed over the last couple of years. 
> Currently doing alot more kid and grocery hauling on the Big Dummy than 
> riding 200k's on this beautiful machine. So I am offering it up here. 
> Purchased from Riv and most of it is standard Riv build. Here are the specs:
>
> Frame/fork: 50cm Rivendell Rambouillet (blue)
> Headset: Shimano Ultegra
> Stem: Nitto Technomic Deluxe
> Handlebars: Nitto Noodle 41cm with tressostar shellacked cloth tape and 
> velox bar plugs
> Brake levers: Shimano Tiagra w/ Tektro interrupter levers
> Shifters: Dura Ace downtube (9 speed)
> Brakes: Shimano Ultegra 
> Cranks: Sugino XD triple (170mm)
> Front Der.: Shimano 105
> Rear Der.: Shimano Ultegra
> Hubs: Shimano 105
> Tires: Panaracer Pasela (w/TG on rear)
> Cassette: Shimano Ultegra 9 spd (I think, but could be 105)
> Front bag: Sackville trunksack (small)
> Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack
> Rear rack: Viva saddlebag support
> Rims: 26". Not sure here. Came from Rivendell without stickers.Either way 
> the rims are classic Riv and have been great.
> Bell: Crane
>
> Pics are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/85317282@N02/
>
> I believe Riv still has the geometry chart somewhere on the site. I have 
> an old link to it I can send along. I am planning on keeping the Brooks 
> saddle and the Carradice Barley rear saddlebag (seen in the pictures). I'll 
> also keep the Look Keo pedals. So no saddle, pedals, or rear saddlebag 
> included.
>
> I checked with my local shop with regards to a professional pack and ship. 
> The quote was $200 for the complete bike without the racks/bag. I can try 
> to ship those separately for an additional fee or the shop can probably 
> send them for a total shipping cost of $225 (includes insurance). I am 
> attaching a few pics and will send along others. 
>
> So, cost would be $1300 for local pickup, $1500 for professional packing 
> and shipping (minus racks/bag) or probably $1525 including the racks and 
> bag.
>
> This bike is a great randonneuring bike.Please let me know off list if 
> you're interested. Would love it to go to a good home and continue to serve 
> as a great brevet bike.
>
> Would also consider trading for a like sized (48cm) Hunqapillar. Been 
> riding alot more dirt than pavement lately.
>
> Sean O'Bryan
> Austin, TX
>

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Re: [RBW] In case it's not already old news: Grant's book on (in?) boston.com

2012-08-23 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

One carbon fiber bike that might be interesting to try are Volagi
bikes. They started making steel versions of their bikes too.

Their target users are long distance riders. I think they will run
28mm tires with fenders and are more upright than pure racing bikes. I
would still prefer wider tires.

Toshi


On 8/23/12, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I forgot to include: has anyone ridden a CF bike that handles much
> like Rivendells, as described below? If so, are there any advantages
> to the CF bike over Rivendells? We know there are certainly
> disadvantages.
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM, PATRICK MOORE 
> wrote:
>> Kelly: thanks, very interesting comparison. My own experience of
>> Rivendells' handling -- including that of the Sam HIll, which I
>> didn't, overall, like well enough to keep -- is exactly this supremely
>> confident, fast cornering combined with an almost "intuitive"
>> (cliche', I know) willingness to go where you want them to. And your
>> remarks about the CF ride supports what others say: that unless you
>> are going to ride them very agressively, they are not really
>> rewarding.
>>
>> Patrick "wish I could average 22 mph over 160 miles" Moore
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Kelly  wrote:
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> I road high end cf for ten years.   Aggressive setup .. Mavic carbone
>>> wheels etc...
>>> My routine was 1000 miles early in season to get neck arms and arse ready
>>> and to be comfy.
>>> Wasn't very comfortable for first 500 or so.
>>>
>>> Was a sweet ride at 65 mph coming down off veil pass.  Had nice high end
>>> wobble on one frame in turn at just over 55 mph in Boulder ... Road RAIN
>>> 160 miles one way one day on it..seemed nice and finished just over 22
>>> mph average.
>>>
>>> Road average of 10 to 12 centuries per year.
>>>
>>> I would avoid many roads as they were to rough ... Hated concrete roads,
>>> and had numerous flats tooling around town.  Broke axles, handlebars,
>>> seat posts, and frame.. Then had to replace a frame after impact on roof
>>> rack.  Manufacter indicated it could last forever or fail thus said not
>>> to ride it.
>>>
>>> Fast sprint bike and great for the 30 mile rides...
>>>
>>> I was always looking to get the ride over with.  Never got on the bike to
>>> meander through the park.  Burned out on going all out all the time .. It
>>> was fun for a long time So was my two seater Jensen Healy ... But
>>> just as I'll never go back to the Jenson, I'll also never be stuck with
>>> just a cf bike.  Today I get on my bike for short rides turned long...
>>> Long rides turned short.. On just about any clothing and the roads I
>>> though were rough are actually pretty smooth.
>>>
>>> My AHH may be slower, and I miss some of the sprints, and even the bar to
>>> bar shoulder to shoulder banging all out major crash waiting to happen
>>> riding... On occasion ..
>>>  Until I get on that sweet quick, smooth, fast downhill corner hugging
>>> AHH.  And I don't need all those miles to be comfy.. Just get on the
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5155759637/in/set-72157625210417815
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:28:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
 http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/brookline/2012/08/on_biking_just_ride_urges_less.html



 8/15.



 "Petersen says professional bike racing has corrupted a beautiful

 thing." -- There is some truth to that, with racing driving recent

 hyperactive hard-sell marketing, but man, old, steel racing bikes from

 the '60s through the early '80s? Some of those were wonderful bikes!



 Can you ride a modern carbon fiber bike in other than full race mode?

 In other words: I've read several reviews of CF race bikes that

 describe them as unrewarding to ride except at high power. Are all CF

 racing bikes -- or, tout court, bikes -- like this? (I realize that

 that is a matter of design, no material.)



 Does anyone ride and really like a CF bike? I'd be curious to learn

 about it: make, model, setup, ride qualities -- handling, comfort,

 acceleration and so forth. I do know they are fun to heft -- remember

 hefting a ~12 lb Calfee fixie!



 --

 "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville."



 Flannery O'Connor



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RE: [RBW] Re: Two Rivs for sale in Seattle

Kathy,

CONGRATULATIONS!

A truly wonderful bicycle

Marc

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behalf of Kathy C [kathy19...@gmail.com]
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Two Rivs for sale in Seattle

Everyone can relax, I got the Glorious.

Kathy

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:19:07 PM UTC-4, spru...@gmail.com wrote:
Mitch,

The Glorius was sized by rider height, not PBH.  See this archived link:
cweb.archive.org/web/20050207220713/http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_mixte.html

If it helps, my wife is 5'6" (five-six-and-a-half" she would say). She
has a 56cm Glorius that still shows a fist-full of post:
http://www.cord.edu/faculty/sprunger/bikes/glorius/

Hope this helps,
David Sprunger
Fargo, ND


On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> Does anyone know the recommended Glorius size for a woman with 78 PBH?
> Couldn't find on Riv's website.
>
> Please don't let this happen 
>
> Mitch Browne
> San Luis Obispo, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki porn

2012-08-23 Thread Steven Frederick

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM, William  wrote:
> That's absurdly yummy.  Was it built originally with the bridge in the rear
> for a centerpull?  Like, did it precede the existence of Silver sidepulls?
> I'm swooning over your fender clearances.



Yep, the first batch or three of 'Luki's had the option of either
centerpulls or cantis.  Superlong reach tektro/silver sidepulls came
along a bit later...

Steve

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RE: [RBW] Re: FS: Baggins Boxy bag with Nitto F15 rack, more Baggins bags and miscellaneous parts coming soon

Andrew,

I have a set of silver 986 (from an MB1), and silver XCM (from an RB-T) . 
Excellent shape. Not sure if these fit the bill or no, but I have my eye glued 
on the panniers and luggedstem as trading/purchase fodder (mother?).

Can you send me a link to the flickr page.

Thanks,
Marc





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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: Baggins Boxy bag with Nitto F15 rack, more Baggins bags 
and miscellaneous parts coming soon

Bag is sold, pending payment. The flickr gallery has been updated with more for 
sale, and there's still more to come (no photos of bags, rack, or wheels yet).

Mavic hubs, off a 1990 Bridgestone MB-0. Polished finish, 32 hole, 130mm OLN. 
Used, but in excellent condition. Mavic skewers included. $100 shipped

Mavic front hub, black, 32 hole. Used, but in excellent condition. Mavic skewer 
included. $35 shipped

Rivendell lugged quill stem, 10cm. Used, but in very good condition. There are 
some minor scratches on the drive side of the quill lug (visible in photo).  
$135 shipped

XTR front derailleurs. FD-M952. One 28.6, one 34.9, both bottom pull. Used, but 
in good condition – no dents or major scratches. The 34.9 derailleur has a bit 
more wear inside the outer cage; the 28.6 is practically new. $20 ea shipped

Rivendell Baggins rear panniers. A little dirty, but no damage. Straps to bind 
them to your rack sides are included. $100 shipped

Baggins Hoss (large) saddlebag – used, but in very good condition. Some dirt, 
but no damage. All straps included. $150 shipped

Baggins Adam (medium) saddlebag– used, but in very good condition. Some dirt, 
but no damage. All straps included. $120 shipped

Rivendell/Nitto large front rack. Installed briefly, but not used. All hardware 
included. This is from the early days of the rack, when it was offered in both 
700c and 26 inch versions; this one is 700c. Might work on other sizes, but I 
haven’t tried it (may require drilling additional holes in the lower tabs, as 
on the current version). Pre-triangulation, but really – it’s not going to 
fail. $140 shipped

Wheelset – 700c Bontrager Fairlane rims, rear asymmetrical, 36 hole, Phil 
freewheel rear and Mavic front hubs, DT Competition spokes. Very strong wheels, 
excellent for touring. Fairly wide - I can take a measurement if you're 
interested. Relatively low miles, excellent condition. $200 + shipping

Wheelset – 26” Bontrager Maverick rims, rear asymmetrical, 32 hole, black 
Bullseye front and rear hubs. Hubs were used, but rims were brand new when 
laced. They have maybe 30 miles on them – machining marks are still perfectly 
clear on the sidewalls. Rim stickers are not perfect, because the bike they 
were on hung from a hook in the shed for a while. $125 + shipping

I’d consider some trades too – I’d love to find:

Dia-Compe 982 cantis, preferably silver but black wouldn’t kill me.

Sugino Mighty Tour or some other quality 110 double crank

A tasteful threadless stem, 10cm, 0 degree rise (90 deg to steer tube), silver, 
detachable faceplate, 26.0 clamp. Brazed steel or forged aluminum. Preferably 
1", but I can live with a shim.

XTR rear derailleur (rapid rise a plus)

An interesting front derailleur suitable for use with a 46t big ring - early 
MTB-ish.

Please get in touch with questions/offers/etc. I accept paypal and postal money 
orders, and cash if you’re local.


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Re: [RBW] Longboard fender rub

2012-08-23 Thread Eric Platt

The rubbing I was getting with the longer flap was the side stays
rubbing the tire.  On that bike, the tires were usually Marathon
Duremes 700x40.  Realized it was the extra leverage of the longer flap
that caused the kerfuffle.  Once changed, it was not an issue.

Not dangerous at all to me, either, but annoying.  It happened even
after bolting the front of the fender to the Nitto Mini rack.

But it's all moot at present as I sold the Sam Hillborne last weekend.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On 8/23/12, john  wrote:
> Eric, where did you experience the rubbing, or flapping, if you will? On my
>
> bike, it's not the flap itself which seems to rub the tire, but where the
> end of the fender meets the flap. As the road gets rough, this area seems
> to strike the sides of my tires, which causes an annoying "tt, zzzttt".
>
> After a year or more of this, it hasn't proven to be dangerous, just
> annoying.
>
> Since I ride in the rain 8 months a year (Portland, Oregon), I need a
> fender with ample coverage to protect not just my feet, but my drivetrain.
> Thanks for your reply.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Riders Brooks Saddle

2012-08-23 Thread Colin Bortner

It seems like Rivendell would benefit from using Kickstarter (or some
other assurance contract system) to revive older products and launch
new ones.

If I could commit $180 dollars or so to a Select version of the
Rivendell Riders saddle, I may. If a similar commitment would help the
Ventile riding jacket along, or periodically revive the bullmoose
(dull-brite!), or bring back the polo-neck riding sweater, I'd be
first in line!

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM, PittsburghRider  wrote:
> I'd be interested in one too.  Put me on the list!
>
> rusty
>
>
> On Monday, August 20, 2012 12:53:46 PM UTC-4, Marty wrote:
>>
>> Came across this by accident today, and couldn't help but think it would
>> be nice to have one. Minimum order mandate from Brooks I suppose...
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8729526@N02/7635118768/in/photostream
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Riders Brooks Saddle

2012-08-23 Thread steel lugs

Definitely like the recently released B17 'Select' model ("the bestest one
yet", per Grant): http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/s6.htm

But if they swapped out the matte black enamel steel rails with copper and
added RBW stamping, I could see it being one of their best sellers ever.

Sounds like an 'early adopter' project worth pursuing... count me in.



On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM, lungimsam  wrote:

> Rivendell should have these normally for sale.
>
>
>
>> I bet they would sell alot with the new bike sales. Even if it was more
>> expensive than a standard Brooks model, I bet people would splurge a little
>> and get it put on the bike.
>> But I would hope they would be priced the same as a standard Brooks
>> saddle, whatever model they are stamping.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Baggins Boxy bag with Nitto F15 rack, more Baggins bags and miscellaneous parts coming soon

2012-08-23 Thread Andrew Drummond

Bag is sold, pending payment. The flickr gallery has been updated with more 
for sale, and there's still more to come (no photos of bags, rack, or 
wheels yet).

 Mavic hubs, off a 1990 Bridgestone MB-0. Polished finish, 32 hole, 130mm 
OLN. Used, but in excellent condition. Mavic skewers included. $100 shipped

 

Mavic front hub, black, 32 hole. Used, but in excellent condition. Mavic 
skewer included. $35 shipped

 

Rivendell lugged quill stem, 10cm. Used, but in very good condition. There 
are some minor scratches on the drive side of the quill lug (visible in 
photo).  $135 shipped

 

XTR front derailleurs. FD-M952. One 28.6, one 34.9, both bottom pull. Used, 
but in good condition – no dents or major scratches. The 34.9 derailleur 
has a bit more wear inside the outer cage; the 28.6 is practically new. $20 
ea shipped

 

Rivendell Baggins rear panniers. A little dirty, but no damage. Straps to 
bind them to your rack sides are included. $100 shipped

 

Baggins Hoss (large) saddlebag – used, but in very good condition. Some 
dirt, but no damage. All straps included. $150 shipped

 

Baggins Adam (medium) saddlebag– used, but in very good condition. Some 
dirt, but no damage. All straps included. $120 shipped

 

Rivendell/Nitto large front rack. Installed briefly, but not used. All 
hardware included. This is from the early days of the rack, when it was 
offered in both 700c and 26 inch versions; this one is 700c. Might work on 
other sizes, but I haven’t tried it (may require drilling additional holes 
in the lower tabs, as on the current version). Pre-triangulation, but 
really – it’s not going to fail. $140 shipped

 

Wheelset – 700c Bontrager Fairlane rims, rear asymmetrical, 36 hole, Phil 
freewheel rear and Mavic front hubs, DT Competition spokes. Very strong 
wheels, excellent for touring. Fairly wide - I can take a measurement if 
you're interested. Relatively low miles, excellent condition. $200 + 
shipping

 

Wheelset – 26” Bontrager Maverick rims, rear asymmetrical, 32 hole, black 
Bullseye front and rear hubs. Hubs were used, but rims were brand new when 
laced. They have maybe 30 miles on them – machining marks are still 
perfectly clear on the sidewalls. Rim stickers are not perfect, because the 
bike they were on hung from a hook in the shed for a while. $125 + shipping

 

I’d consider some trades too – I’d love to find:

 

Dia-Compe 982 cantis, preferably silver but black wouldn’t kill me.

 

Sugino Mighty Tour or some other quality 110 double crank

 

A tasteful threadless stem, 10cm, 0 degree rise (90 deg to steer tube), 
silver, detachable faceplate, 26.0 clamp. Brazed steel or forged aluminum. 
Preferably 1", but I can live with a shim.

 
XTR rear derailleur (rapid rise a plus) 

An interesting front derailleur suitable for use with a 46t big ring - 
early MTB-ish.

 Please get in touch with questions/offers/etc. I accept paypal and postal 
money orders, and cash if you’re local.

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[RBW] Re: Longboard fender rub

2012-08-23 Thread john

I seem to have good clearance. I will try for more. I agree with you: 
although they aren't perfect, they are good. I don't like the idea of metal 
fenders for many reasons, but chief among them is the issue of rattle. I'd 
rather deal with some rubbing noise than constant rattle of metal. The 
longboards are easy to install, they are strong (if not especially rigid), 
relatively light, and in my opinion, good looking. If they could just be 
perfect!

On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:41:09 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
>
> I am using them on my Legolas with 33mm Jack Browns and 35mm Schwalbe 
> Cross tires. No problem at all.
> I do see the end of the fender vibrate a mm or two laterally on rough 
> roads.
> I think the key is to insure you have enough clearance between tire and 
> fender. I like a full consistent 1cm there.
>  
> They are not the perfect fender, with a bit of leaking off the sides at 
> times especially where the stay mounting hardware is bolted to the fender. 
> But they are cheap, rugged, easy to install, mostly effective, and I 
> think good looking. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:02:48 AM UTC-6, john wrote:
>
>> I experience annoying rubbing near the bottom of the fender when going 
>> over rough pavement, gravel, etc. Seems that there is not a lot of 
>> torsional rigidity in these fenders. I have adjusted several times.  
>>
>> I run these fenders on a 60cm Sam with Pasella 35C tires. Anyone else out 
>> there experience the same thing? Any suggestions?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Longboard fender rub

2012-08-23 Thread john

Eric, where did you experience the rubbing, or flapping, if you will? On my 
bike, it's not the flap itself which seems to rub the tire, but where the 
end of the fender meets the flap. As the road gets rough, this area seems 
to strike the sides of my tires, which causes an annoying "tt, zzzttt". 
After a year or more of this, it hasn't proven to be dangerous, just 
annoying.

Since I ride in the rain 8 months a year (Portland, Oregon), I need a 
fender with ample coverage to protect not just my feet, but my drivetrain. 
Thanks for your reply.

On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:45:26 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> For the front fender, try the shorter mudflap that Rivendell sells. 
> That cured the problem on my bike. 
>
> Eric Platt 
> St. Paul, MN 
>
> On 8/22/12, john > wrote: 
> > I experience annoying rubbing near the bottom of the fender when going 
> over 
> > 
> > rough pavement, gravel, etc. Seems that there is not a lot of torsional 
> > rigidity in these fenders. I have adjusted several times. 
> > 
> > I run these fenders on a 60cm Sam with Pasella 35C tires. Anyone else 
> out 
> > there experience the same thing? Any suggestions? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Two Rivs for sale in Seattle

2012-08-23 Thread Kathy C

Everyone can relax, I got the Glorious.

Kathy

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:19:07 PM UTC-4, spru...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Mitch, 
>
> The Glorius was sized by rider height, not PBH.  See this archived link: 
>
> cweb.archive.org/web/20050207220713/http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_mixte.html
>  
>
> If it helps, my wife is 5'6" (five-six-and-a-half" she would say). She 
> has a 56cm Glorius that still shows a fist-full of post: 
> http://www.cord.edu/faculty/sprunger/bikes/glorius/ 
>
> Hope this helps, 
> David Sprunger 
> Fargo, ND 
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Mitch Browne 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > Does anyone know the recommended Glorius size for a woman with 78 PBH? 
> > Couldn't find on Riv's website. 
> > 
> > Please don't let this happen  
> > 
> > Mitch Browne 
> > San Luis Obispo, CA 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

2012-08-23 Thread Ginz

If the frame angles aren't the same between both bikes, there are many
allowances and considerations you'll have to make in order to set them
up with exactly the same fit.

That said, for the Bleriot, choose #3 and get the bars up as high as
you want until they are comfortable even if it doesn't look right to
you.  Pretty soon, it will look right.

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[RBW] Re: What's your Rivendell story?

2012-08-23 Thread Rick

Rode a lot a lot as a kid, we used to carry shovels and hoes around to
carve paths out of the woods which we traversed largely on the schwinn
offering of the day. But (cue bike snob) stopped riding when my sister
went off to college and I got the keys to the CJ7.  My two-wheeler,
while topless, did not have the cache of the jeep.  Post-college, got
into mountain biking with friends, checked out some B-stone product,
but wound up with a '90 Specialized Rockhopper that went through a
couple of front forks due to a surely questionable riding style.

After landing back in Atlanta and with a regular job, the bike-
commuting light came on.  I started trolling the internets, and one
thing or another led me to the Bob list and then the RBW website.  Got
a bunch of parts to re-fashion the Rockhopper -- still alive and doing
well, mismatched Richey fork and all -- starting with the stem-riser
to get the bars up (thanks Keven).  After a couple of years I finally
pulled the trigger on a Bleriot, reportedly one of the last demo's off
the floor at HQ.  Later, my Atlantis, for which I even had the
audacity to request a special color.  I've since turned on about a
half dozen folks to RBW, two of whom I ride with weekly.  And I got my
wife a Betty. Spent half an hour on the pavement with a local office
worker yesterday who spotted my 'muter, was familiar with Rivendell,
and was considering an Atlantis.   Disciples must evangelize when a
polite opportunity arises.

I still want a Homer.  And a Bombadil.  Those pictures of the Saluki
with the hetres and red tape that went up recently (and is now my
desktop photo) sounded a resonant pang in my chest cavity -- that's
the bike I was coveting when I opted for the Bleriot.  I think a
Roadeo would be a wonderful addition to the stable.  I have a home
renovation to get through, but after that I should have some extra
room in the garage.

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Re: [RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

2012-08-23 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

If you're going to raise the bars, then you will be more upright, so
you will already be away from your race fit. If you lengthen the stem,
then you will be scrunched down again, but you negate any benefits of
the upright position and you will be less aerodynamic, so you will
ruin your race fit and your comfort fit.

I would throw the race fit out and experiment with your own comfort
zone. I like Peter White's philosophy of bike fit (find it at
peterwhitecycles.com). I try to optimize my position on the bike so I
don't put pressure on my hands. This requires me to put my seat way
back (in the riding position I like). In order to accomplish that
position, I had to get new seatposts (VO setback or Nitto Lugged) and
I got Rivet saddles to push it way back. I'm much more comfortable now
and don't have to worry about hand numbness/discomfort on long rides.

Toshi

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:23 AM, lungimsam  wrote:
> I was told that my Specialized BG Fit I got at my LBS for my race bike 3
> years ago would be transferrable to all bikes. I was told the fit is for
> maximum power, efficiency, and safety.  Why not have safety, efficiency, and
> max power when I ride the Bleriot, too? So I thought I would set up the
> Bleriot the same, except with the Bleriot drop bars
> so-high-that-they-could-kiss-the-sky on my Technomic stem.
>
> I figured the reach, saddle fore/aft, and saddle height I would keep the
> same as the pro fit.
>
> But it doesn't work with the Bleriot.
> With the saddle height the same, and the reach the same, the saddle fore/aft
> is like 2cm further behind the BB center (which is one of the measurements
> on my BG Fit).
>
> So I have 3 choices:
> 1. Set SH and Fore/aft according to BG fit and get a 2cm longer stem
> extension to equalize the reach. But I am 5'7"-ish and an 11cm extension
> would be wierd for me, as I am used to 9 and 8 cm extensions on stems. I
> think of anything over 10cm extensions for 6-footers.
> 2. Chuck the BG fit and revert to KOPS, since everyone before pro-fits
> started seemed to be fine with that.
> 3. Throw out my pre-conceived notions of bike fit and ride, boldy ride with
> whatever is comfy.
>
> What d'yall think?
>
> BTW - I am guessing I am already throwing out aspects of the BG fit by
> raising the bars so high on the bike. But, for my un-racer bike fit, step
> one is raising the bars to max height. And that is non-negotiable for me as
> I love how great it is with the bars high.

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Re: [RBW] Idea for real RivCustom head badges. What would yours be?

2012-08-23 Thread James Warren

Chris Kostman does this. His Roadeo at the bottom of the page has one of his own custom headbadges that are also shown at this page sort of near the bottom. Check it out:
http://www.xo-1.org/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=29

-Original Message- From: lungimsam Sent: Aug 23, 2012 9:57 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Idea for real RivCustom head badges. What would yours be?
You get a Riv Custom - you get a head badge with pic of a loved-one or pet on it.
Move the regular badge to the seat tube - no label, just badge. It is a Custom, after all. And that would class it up.
Have "Rivendell _Name of loved one/pet__" on the seat tube.
What would yours be?
Freddie Hoffman could get a "Ruthie" model, with his Mom's pic on the badge.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki porn

2012-08-23 Thread Steven Frederick

Brass--the pewter was a dullish silvery-grey.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:23 PM, jeffrey kane  wrote:
> Here's the head badge, it's a that gold(ish) color  no idea if that
> makes it the "brass" or "pewter" version offered at the time. and an
> interesting note about the "butterscotch" color for the original owed, Steve
> Frederick:
>
> I have the very first butterscotch Saluki--custom colors were available for
> a modest up charge in the first run of frames.  I wanted something similar
> to the harvest gold color offered on customs, maybe a bit richer, with a
> little more brown, and after a few email exchanges, Grant came up with that
> color for me.  He like it so well he made it the standard color for
> subsequent runs--not entirely a new shade for Rivendell; it is very nearly
> the same color as one of my early WoolyWarm jerseys...
>
>
> On Friday, August 17, 2012 12:06:12 PM UTC-4, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, been having an amazing 18 months on this baby and just had to post
>> this pin-up pic ...
>
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Re: [RBW] Saluki porn

2012-08-23 Thread Steven Frederick

Looks great, man!  Glad it found a good home.

Steve

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RE: [RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

2012-08-23 Thread Peter Morgano

Go for a ride with someone Allen wrenches. Adjust one thing at a time and
you will find your happy place in about an hour. Then don't waste time
measuring things and just enjoy the ride.
On Aug 23, 2012 12:30 PM, "Marc Schwartz"  wrote:

> 3
> Ride, my son. Boldly ride!
>
> Marc
> "Love and leather
> A tear in her eye,
> He swore at the Devil
> Then he went for a ride."
>
> -Radney Foster-
> 
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com]
> on behalf of lungimsam [john11.2...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:23 AM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.
>
> I was told that my Specialized BG Fit I got at my LBS for my race bike 3
> years ago would be transferrable to all bikes. I was told the fit is for
> maximum power, efficiency, and safety.  Why not have safety, efficiency,
> and max power when I ride the Bleriot, too? So I thought I would set up the
> Bleriot the same, except with the Bleriot drop bars
> so-high-that-they-could-kiss-the-sky on my Technomic stem.
>
> I figured the reach, saddle fore/aft, and saddle height I would keep the
> same as the pro fit.
>
> But it doesn't work with the Bleriot.
> With the saddle height the same, and the reach the same, the saddle
> fore/aft is like 2cm further behind the BB center (which is one of the
> measurements on my BG Fit).
>
> So I have 3 choices:
> 1. Set SH and Fore/aft according to BG fit and get a 2cm longer stem
> extension to equalize the reach. But I am 5'7"-ish and an 11cm extension
> would be wierd for me, as I am used to 9 and 8 cm extensions on stems. I
> think of anything over 10cm extensions for 6-footers.
> 2. Chuck the BG fit and revert to KOPS, since everyone before pro-fits
> started seemed to be fine with that.
> 3. Throw out my pre-conceived notions of bike fit and ride, boldy ride
> with whatever is comfy.
>
> What d'yall think?
>
> BTW - I am guessing I am already throwing out aspects of the BG fit by
> raising the bars so high on the bike. But, for my un-racer bike fit, step
> one is raising the bars to max height. And that is non-negotiable for me as
> I love how great it is with the bars high.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

2012-08-23 Thread Jeremy Till

Do you feel (emphasis) that there's anything wrong with your saddle setback 
being so far back?  Is there any specific problem you're having while 
riding?  If not, i say just stick with what works, because in this case, 
it's exactly the kind of difference that you get in a rivendell vs. a 
normal bike: not only higher bars but farther back saddle (achieved through 
slacker seat angle, usually) to get more weight off the hands and onto the 
butt.  

BG fits are good but remember the whole point of them is to make you feel 
better on the bike (and yes, produce more power, but i stand with others in 
saying that you're going to be most efficient when you're comfortable); if 
you're comfortable and efficient in a position other than the BG fit, I say 
there's no reason to throw that out in favor of the BG fit.  Your 
experience while riding is the empirical data.  

Also, in terms of going with the longer stem (if that's what you end up 
doing)I wouldn't worry about it being "wrong" for your size.  Rules 
like that are for the image conscious racer, not the un-racer.  I'm 6'3" 
with long limbs and my stem on my road bike is only 100mm (raised up pretty 
high, too), partially because i achieve so much reach from setback.  

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:23:18 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
> I was told that my Specialized BG Fit I got at my LBS for my race bike 3 
> years ago would be transferrable to all bikes. I was told the fit is for 
> maximum power, efficiency, and safety.  Why not have safety, efficiency, 
> and max power when I ride the Bleriot, too? So I thought I would set up the 
> Bleriot the same, except with the Bleriot drop bars 
> so-high-that-they-could-kiss-the-sky on my Technomic stem.
>  
> I figured the reach, saddle fore/aft, and saddle height I would keep the 
> same as the pro fit.
>  
> But it doesn't work with the Bleriot.
> With the saddle height the same, and the reach the same, the saddle 
> fore/aft is like 2cm further behind the BB center (which is one of the 
> measurements on my BG Fit).
>  
> So I have 3 choices:
> 1. Set SH and Fore/aft according to BG fit and get a 2cm longer stem 
> extension to equalize the reach. But I am 5'7"-ish and an 11cm extension 
> would be wierd for me, as I am used to 9 and 8 cm extensions on stems. I 
> think of anything over 10cm extensions for 6-footers.
> 2. Chuck the BG fit and revert to KOPS, since everyone before pro-fits 
> started seemed to be fine with that.
> 3. Throw out my pre-conceived notions of bike fit and ride, boldy ride 
> with whatever is comfy.
>  
> What d'yall think?
>  
> BTW - I am guessing I am already throwing out aspects of the BG fit by 
> raising the bars so high on the bike. But, for my un-racer bike fit, step 
> one is raising the bars to max height. And that is non-negotiable for me as 
> I love how great it is with the bars high.
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.


>
> With the Bleriot, I am mainly out for comfort only on the set-up. I really 
> enjoy the bars high. I can see the sky now on rides. There is really a 
> world beyond my helmet brim and the asphalt. Ha ha!
>
 

> My problem is, I don't know where the saddle should be, and I know I need 
> to start from that. I know saddle fore/aft is a bb thing, and not a reach 
> thing.
>  
>
I know I did it backwards, but I just set the reach and SH according to the 
BG Fit, and then checked the saddle fore/aft to see if it was the same, 
which turns out ain't the same due to frame geometry I am sure.
 
It seems fine the way it is now, maybe I should leave it be and see how it 
goes. I don't mind being further behind the bb, as if I could tell anyway. 
Does 2cm even matter? I am not a racer, just a rec rider and commuter. I 
have heard of some people shoving the seat all the way back.
 

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RE: [RBW] Idea for real RivCustom head badges. What would yours be?

A custom headbadge would be a pricey option, like the custom frame itself. Just 
stating the obvious here. You could get your own jeweler to craft you a badge, 
I think the Rivendell builder would install it for you, assuming Riv HQ's prior 
approval.

Marc

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Subject: [RBW] Idea for real RivCustom head badges. What would yours be?

You get a Riv Custom - you get a head badge with pic of a loved-one or pet on 
it.
Move the regular badge to the seat tube - no label, just badge. It is a Custom, 
after all. And that would class it up.

Have "Rivendell   _Name of loved one/pet__" on the seat tube.

What would yours be?

Freddie Hoffman could get a "Ruthie" model, with his Mom's pic on the badge.

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Re: [RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

'Scuse the poor editing. Ignore text below "Clear...".

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:01 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Here is what I do to use one bike, set up to be comfortable with bars
> at a certain height, as a model to get comfortable on another bike,
> where I want the bars at a considerably different height.
>
> First, read Peter Jon White and get your optimum saddle fore-an-aft
> setup, along of course with the optimum height and tilt. Or, at least,
> get these three positions in a good-enough-to-start-from setup.
>
> **Now** you are in a position to decide what you want to do with your
> handlebar.
>
> Next, consider the variables affecting saddle nose-to-bar reach. Type
> of saddle? The B 17 is considerably shorter in the nose than a Flite,
> say, so that the reach measurement is going to be different by the
> amount of the different lengths. Second, the tt length: a 59 cm c-c tt
> will give a longer reach, ceteris paribus, than a 57 ditto. But wait!
> Is the Bleriot's tt slanted? Then a 3* upslope 59 cm tt won't be
> exactly 2 cm longer in effective length than a level 57 cm tt.
>
> And there is more! If the B has a slacker seat tube than the S, that
> also will affect effective reach -- and if the st angle is slacker
> than the ht angle, this difference will be even larger. Thus, my
> erstwhile 56, 2010 model Sam Hill had a sta of 71*, a sloping tt of 59
> cm and a ht angle of 73*. So, I guess, the effective tt length was
> something like 60 c-c.
>
> The two Riv customs have slightly sloping 57 tts and 73* parallel
> angles; thus the effective tt is about 56.5.
>
> I wanted to "feel" the same on the SH as on the customs but I wanted
> the bar higher. How much higher? Not sure, but at least saddle nose
> height. I got the (Flite, same model) saddle in the same location as
> on the other Rivs, then took the same distance (~20.5") from saddle
> nose to center of bar clamp, which gave me an arc of
> distance-cum-height where the reach would be the same. I located the
> SH's bar on this arc and stem'd accordingly. (Actually, I lie: I
> didn't want to bother with changing the 10 cm SH stem (the customs
> have Nitto 8s) so I simply positioned the bar higher on the SH than I
> would have with a shorter stem: about 2" above saddle nose. And then!
> Since the bar was a longer reach (much longer drop mitigated by slight
> reverse bend on the flats) 46 cm Noodle instead of 90 mm reach 185,
> AND since I was using longer-hood Tektros instead of pre STI Dura
> Aces, the bar had to come back a bit -- thus had to be moved a wee bit
> higher.
>
> Current Fargo: same 57 upsloping tt only with a much greater slope.
> Bar level with saddle, thus 3 cm higher than on the customs. Tektro
> levers. More or less by serendipitous muddling I came up with (1) a
> certain number of spacers under the stem, (2) a certain angle and (3)
> a certain length. Since my next door neighbor offered me a nice
> Ritchey stem that was short and flat, I found that it worked even
> better than the much more upjutting and longer stem (positioned with
> all spacers over it). Saddle nose to bar clamp just a bit longer, to
> take into account largely the longer reach Tektros; the reach of the
> 42 (this time) Noodles isn't all that much different from that of the
> 38 cm Maes Parallels.
>
> Oh, it's complicated, and it takes fiddling to get things just right,
> but the above method does allow you to use one setup as a rough model
> for another quite different setup.
>
> And, note too, that your body will compensate for those last few mm
> that you can't get exactly identical. On the Fargo, riding in the
> hooks is easier than on the customs: I can ride 7 miles nonstop in the
> Maes's hooks without difficulty, 10 if I insist, while on the Fargo,
> thanks to the higher (but not exactly proportionately higher! The
> drops are deeper!) I can go indefinitely.
>
> Clear, huh?
>
>
>
> Next, if the tt on the B is longer than that on the S, that also will
> affect reach, so that different stems may be necessary; EXCEPT that
> shallower seat tube angles will mean that a given top tube length
> brings the top head tube race, and thus the stem quill, closer to the
> saddle. Thus (for another example) my erstwhile Sam Hill had a 59 c-c
> tt compared to the Rivs' for-me-perfect 57; but then, the 71 st on the
> SH meant that the effective tt length compared to the other Rivs' was
> considerably shorter; I guess about 58. And bars 2" higher took care
> of the rest.
>
> I use a plumb line and identical saddles to start with 3" behind
> center of bb axle, this after getting the height and tilt more or less
> the same as my model. After than it is a matter of riding, adjusting
> f-and-a, and then adjusting height and tilt as needed.
>
> Only ***then*** do I set up my bar reach.
>
> Thus: My Rivs have the Flites' noses about 3" behind the center of the
> bb axles; then the bar is set for (nowadays) about 3 cm below saddle
> nose; and then and only then do I determi

Re: [RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

Here is what I do to use one bike, set up to be comfortable with bars
at a certain height, as a model to get comfortable on another bike,
where I want the bars at a considerably different height.

First, read Peter Jon White and get your optimum saddle fore-an-aft
setup, along of course with the optimum height and tilt. Or, at least,
get these three positions in a good-enough-to-start-from setup.

**Now** you are in a position to decide what you want to do with your
handlebar.

Next, consider the variables affecting saddle nose-to-bar reach. Type
of saddle? The B 17 is considerably shorter in the nose than a Flite,
say, so that the reach measurement is going to be different by the
amount of the different lengths. Second, the tt length: a 59 cm c-c tt
will give a longer reach, ceteris paribus, than a 57 ditto. But wait!
Is the Bleriot's tt slanted? Then a 3* upslope 59 cm tt won't be
exactly 2 cm longer in effective length than a level 57 cm tt.

And there is more! If the B has a slacker seat tube than the S, that
also will affect effective reach -- and if the st angle is slacker
than the ht angle, this difference will be even larger. Thus, my
erstwhile 56, 2010 model Sam Hill had a sta of 71*, a sloping tt of 59
cm and a ht angle of 73*. So, I guess, the effective tt length was
something like 60 c-c.

The two Riv customs have slightly sloping 57 tts and 73* parallel
angles; thus the effective tt is about 56.5.

I wanted to "feel" the same on the SH as on the customs but I wanted
the bar higher. How much higher? Not sure, but at least saddle nose
height. I got the (Flite, same model) saddle in the same location as
on the other Rivs, then took the same distance (~20.5") from saddle
nose to center of bar clamp, which gave me an arc of
distance-cum-height where the reach would be the same. I located the
SH's bar on this arc and stem'd accordingly. (Actually, I lie: I
didn't want to bother with changing the 10 cm SH stem (the customs
have Nitto 8s) so I simply positioned the bar higher on the SH than I
would have with a shorter stem: about 2" above saddle nose. And then!
Since the bar was a longer reach (much longer drop mitigated by slight
reverse bend on the flats) 46 cm Noodle instead of 90 mm reach 185,
AND since I was using longer-hood Tektros instead of pre STI Dura
Aces, the bar had to come back a bit -- thus had to be moved a wee bit
higher.

Current Fargo: same 57 upsloping tt only with a much greater slope.
Bar level with saddle, thus 3 cm higher than on the customs. Tektro
levers. More or less by serendipitous muddling I came up with (1) a
certain number of spacers under the stem, (2) a certain angle and (3)
a certain length. Since my next door neighbor offered me a nice
Ritchey stem that was short and flat, I found that it worked even
better than the much more upjutting and longer stem (positioned with
all spacers over it). Saddle nose to bar clamp just a bit longer, to
take into account largely the longer reach Tektros; the reach of the
42 (this time) Noodles isn't all that much different from that of the
38 cm Maes Parallels.

Oh, it's complicated, and it takes fiddling to get things just right,
but the above method does allow you to use one setup as a rough model
for another quite different setup.

And, note too, that your body will compensate for those last few mm
that you can't get exactly identical. On the Fargo, riding in the
hooks is easier than on the customs: I can ride 7 miles nonstop in the
Maes's hooks without difficulty, 10 if I insist, while on the Fargo,
thanks to the higher (but not exactly proportionately higher! The
drops are deeper!) I can go indefinitely.

Clear, huh?

Next, if the tt on the B is longer than that on the S, that also will
affect reach, so that different stems may be necessary; EXCEPT that
shallower seat tube angles will mean that a given top tube length
brings the top head tube race, and thus the stem quill, closer to the
saddle. Thus (for another example) my erstwhile Sam Hill had a 59 c-c
tt compared to the Rivs' for-me-perfect 57; but then, the 71 st on the
SH meant that the effective tt length compared to the other Rivs' was
considerably shorter; I guess about 58. And bars 2" higher took care
of the rest.

I use a plumb line and identical saddles to start with 3" behind
center of bb axle, this after getting the height and tilt more or less
the same as my model. After than it is a matter of riding, adjusting
f-and-a, and then adjusting height and tilt as needed.

Only ***then*** do I set up my bar reach.

Thus: My Rivs have the Flites' noses about 3" behind the center of the
bb axles; then the bar is set for (nowadays) about 3 cm below saddle
nose; and then and only then do I determine what stem I need to get --
tho' I know from experience it is going to be between 8 and 9 cm for
these bikes.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, lungimsam  wrote:
> I was told that my Specialized BG Fit I got at my LBS for my race bike 3
> years ago would be transferrable to al

[RBW] Idea for real RivCustom head badges. What would yours be?

You get a Riv Custom - you get a head badge with pic of a loved-one or pet 
on it.
Move the regular badge to the seat tube - no label, just badge. It is a 
Custom, after all. And that would class it up.
 
Have "Rivendell   _Name of loved one/pet__" on the seat tube.
 
What would yours be?
 
Freddie Hoffman could get a "Ruthie" model, with his Mom's pic on the badge.

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[RBW] Re: Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

2012-08-23 Thread pb

Sounds like you have a good handle on your options.  Why not try them?

As previously discussed, set your saddle position first, then your reach.  
Sounds like you are discussing your saddle positon relative to your bars.  
That's bass-ackwards and wrong.  Fit is personal, and there aren't many 
things about fit I will call "wrong", but setting your saddle position 
based on your bar position is wrong. 

There's nothing wrong with 11cm stems.  Once you have your saddle set 
correctly, figure out your reach, and install a stem accordingly.

Why do you want your Bleriot bars so high?  From my point of view, unless 
that set-up is needed for physical reasons, it screws up all kinds of 
stuff, including saddle angle.

As far as "boldly ride with whatever is comfy"...  um, well, yeah.  That's 
the whole point, unless you're working in a wind tunnel and planning for 
serious racing, in which case you wouldn't be posting here.  Hopefully you 
are getting to the point with your set-ups that you have a good idea of 
what is comfy for you.  Work from that.

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:23:18 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

> I was told that my Specialized BG Fit I got at my LBS for my race bike 3 
> years ago would be transferrable to all bikes. I was told the fit is for 
> maximum power, efficiency, and safety.  Why not have safety, efficiency, 
> and max power when I ride the Bleriot, too? So I thought I would set up the 
> Bleriot the same, except with the Bleriot drop bars 
> so-high-that-they-could-kiss-the-sky on my Technomic stem.
>  
> I figured the reach, saddle fore/aft, and saddle height I would keep the 
> same as the pro fit.
>  
> But it doesn't work with the Bleriot.
> With the saddle height the same, and the reach the same, the saddle 
> fore/aft is like 2cm further behind the BB center (which is one of the 
> measurements on my BG Fit).
>  
> So I have 3 choices:
> 1. Set SH and Fore/aft according to BG fit and get a 2cm longer stem 
> extension to equalize the reach. But I am 5'7"-ish and an 11cm extension 
> would be wierd for me, as I am used to 9 and 8 cm extensions on stems. I 
> think of anything over 10cm extensions for 6-footers.
> 2. Chuck the BG fit and revert to KOPS, since everyone before pro-fits 
> started seemed to be fine with that.
> 3. Throw out my pre-conceived notions of bike fit and ride, boldy ride 
> with whatever is comfy.
>  
> What d'yall think?
>  
> BTW - I am guessing I am already throwing out aspects of the BG fit by 
> raising the bars so high on the bike. But, for my un-racer bike fit, step 
> one is raising the bars to max height. And that is non-negotiable for me as 
> I love how great it is with the bars high.
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

2012-08-23 Thread Michael Hechmer

I was a little confused, but not too surprised by the LBS focus on power 
and efficiency.  Safety  What about comfort?   Good studies have shown 
that the most comfortable position will maximize output offer a long ride, 
not to mention JPM, (joy per mile.)

My old racing bike now sports a technomic stem at the maximum line.  I 
still enjoy its lively feel, downhill speed, and acceleration.  And I can 
comfortably take it on longer rides, even with the 20 mm tubular tires. 

Michael

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:23:18 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> I was told that my Specialized BG Fit I got at my LBS for my race bike 3 
> years ago would be transferrable to all bikes. I was told the fit is for 
> maximum power, efficiency, and safety.  Why not have safety, efficiency, 
> and max power when I ride the Bleriot, too? So I thought I would set up the 
> Bleriot the same, except with the Bleriot drop bars 
> so-high-that-they-could-kiss-the-sky on my Technomic stem.
>  
> I figured the reach, saddle fore/aft, and saddle height I would keep the 
> same as the pro fit.
>  
> But it doesn't work with the Bleriot.
> With the saddle height the same, and the reach the same, the saddle 
> fore/aft is like 2cm further behind the BB center (which is one of the 
> measurements on my BG Fit).
>  
> So I have 3 choices:
> 1. Set SH and Fore/aft according to BG fit and get a 2cm longer stem 
> extension to equalize the reach. But I am 5'7"-ish and an 11cm extension 
> would be wierd for me, as I am used to 9 and 8 cm extensions on stems. I 
> think of anything over 10cm extensions for 6-footers.
> 2. Chuck the BG fit and revert to KOPS, since everyone before pro-fits 
> started seemed to be fine with that.
> 3. Throw out my pre-conceived notions of bike fit and ride, boldy ride 
> with whatever is comfy.
>  
> What d'yall think?
>  
> BTW - I am guessing I am already throwing out aspects of the BG fit by 
> raising the bars so high on the bike. But, for my un-racer bike fit, step 
> one is raising the bars to max height. And that is non-negotiable for me as 
> I love how great it is with the bars high.
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] How Saluki got its name, and is that a real dog on the badge?

Anyone know the story? Is that a real pic of a certain Saluki dog on the 
frame?
 
 

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RE: [RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

3
Ride, my son. Boldly ride!

Marc
"Love and leather
A tear in her eye,
He swore at the Devil
Then he went for a ride."

-Radney Foster-

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:23 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

I was told that my Specialized BG Fit I got at my LBS for my race bike 3 years 
ago would be transferrable to all bikes. I was told the fit is for maximum 
power, efficiency, and safety.  Why not have safety, efficiency, and max power 
when I ride the Bleriot, too? So I thought I would set up the Bleriot the same, 
except with the Bleriot drop bars so-high-that-they-could-kiss-the-sky on my 
Technomic stem.

I figured the reach, saddle fore/aft, and saddle height I would keep the same 
as the pro fit.

But it doesn't work with the Bleriot.
With the saddle height the same, and the reach the same, the saddle fore/aft is 
like 2cm further behind the BB center (which is one of the measurements on my 
BG Fit).

So I have 3 choices:
1. Set SH and Fore/aft according to BG fit and get a 2cm longer stem extension 
to equalize the reach. But I am 5'7"-ish and an 11cm extension would be wierd 
for me, as I am used to 9 and 8 cm extensions on stems. I think of anything 
over 10cm extensions for 6-footers.
2. Chuck the BG fit and revert to KOPS, since everyone before pro-fits started 
seemed to be fine with that.
3. Throw out my pre-conceived notions of bike fit and ride, boldy ride with 
whatever is comfy.

What d'yall think?

BTW - I am guessing I am already throwing out aspects of the BG fit by raising 
the bars so high on the bike. But, for my un-racer bike fit, step one is 
raising the bars to max height. And that is non-negotiable for me as I love how 
great it is with the bars high.



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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne - Midnight Bliss...

John: beside basically sound knees to begin with, climbing hills in
relatively high gears is largely a matter of (1) habituation, (2)
position -- rearward saddle position promoting low cadence, high
torque pedaling, and (3) technique -- knowing when your knees require
you to stand, knowing how to pace yourself so that you have energy to
stand for a given length and incline of hill.

I've been amazed at how easy it is to climb longish (~1 mile) hills in
even a 75" gear when you keep your cadence very low. When I ride with
my brother on longish hills, he on a derailleur bike and I on a fixed
gear, I often have to keep backing off to avoid running into him. (I
let him set the pace since I am psychologically unable to set as slow
a pace as he can be comfortable with.)

(For the record: when my brother is in shape, as he is now, the pace
will pick up; but he still is far, far more sedate than I am.)

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lungimsam  wrote:
>> I know the feeling of midnight rides.
>
> Once I breezed around with a new lighting sysem on. It was amazing to ride
> at night. So quiet and barely cars!! Only the whirring of the tires on
> pavement.
>
>>
>> Single speed would be cool to have, but my knees would be destroyed in no
>> time.
>> You guys must have knees of iron. I don't know how you do it.
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[RBW] Re: Saluki porn

Thanks for posting. I like the Saluki badges. Never seen the gold one up 
close before. Very nice.
 
 
 
 

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[RBW] Un-racer bike fitting. Your thoughts on my situation.

I was told that my Specialized BG Fit I got at my LBS for my race bike 3 
years ago would be transferrable to all bikes. I was told the fit is for 
maximum power, efficiency, and safety.  Why not have safety, efficiency, 
and max power when I ride the Bleriot, too? So I thought I would set up the 
Bleriot the same, except with the Bleriot drop bars 
so-high-that-they-could-kiss-the-sky on my Technomic stem.
 
I figured the reach, saddle fore/aft, and saddle height I would keep the 
same as the pro fit.
 
But it doesn't work with the Bleriot.
With the saddle height the same, and the reach the same, the saddle 
fore/aft is like 2cm further behind the BB center (which is one of the 
measurements on my BG Fit).
 
So I have 3 choices:
1. Set SH and Fore/aft according to BG fit and get a 2cm longer stem 
extension to equalize the reach. But I am 5'7"-ish and an 11cm extension 
would be wierd for me, as I am used to 9 and 8 cm extensions on stems. I 
think of anything over 10cm extensions for 6-footers.
2. Chuck the BG fit and revert to KOPS, since everyone before pro-fits 
started seemed to be fine with that.
3. Throw out my pre-conceived notions of bike fit and ride, boldy ride with 
whatever is comfy.
 
What d'yall think?
 
BTW - I am guessing I am already throwing out aspects of the BG fit by 
raising the bars so high on the bike. But, for my un-racer bike fit, step 
one is raising the bars to max height. And that is non-negotiable for me as 
I love how great it is with the bars high.
 
 

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - Midnight Bliss...

2012-08-23 Thread David Spranger

Don't know about knees of steel. Mine is a two speed set up with a low gear 
of about 60 gear inches and a high of about 82. Good enough for most of the 
hills around here.

David
Charlotte, NC

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:58:42 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> I know the feeling of midnight rides.
>>
> Once I breezed around with a new lighting sysem on. It was amazing to ride 
> at night. So quiet and barely cars!! Only the whirring of the tires on 
> pavement.
>  
>
>> Single speed would be cool to have, but my knees would be destroyed in no 
>> time.
>> You guys must have knees of iron. I don't know how you do it.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In case it's not already old news: Grant's book on (in?) boston.com

I forgot to include: has anyone ridden a CF bike that handles much
like Rivendells, as described below? If so, are there any advantages
to the CF bike over Rivendells? We know there are certainly
disadvantages.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Kelly: thanks, very interesting comparison. My own experience of
> Rivendells' handling -- including that of the Sam HIll, which I
> didn't, overall, like well enough to keep -- is exactly this supremely
> confident, fast cornering combined with an almost "intuitive"
> (cliche', I know) willingness to go where you want them to. And your
> remarks about the CF ride supports what others say: that unless you
> are going to ride them very agressively, they are not really
> rewarding.
>
> Patrick "wish I could average 22 mph over 160 miles" Moore
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Kelly  wrote:
>> Patrick
>>
>> I road high end cf for ten years.   Aggressive setup .. Mavic carbone wheels 
>> etc...
>> My routine was 1000 miles early in season to get neck arms and arse ready 
>> and to be comfy.
>> Wasn't very comfortable for first 500 or so.
>>
>> Was a sweet ride at 65 mph coming down off veil pass.  Had nice high end 
>> wobble on one frame in turn at just over 55 mph in Boulder ... Road RAIN 160 
>> miles one way one day on it..seemed nice and finished just over 22 mph 
>> average.
>>
>> Road average of 10 to 12 centuries per year.
>>
>> I would avoid many roads as they were to rough ... Hated concrete roads, and 
>> had numerous flats tooling around town.  Broke axles, handlebars, seat 
>> posts, and frame.. Then had to replace a frame after impact on roof rack.  
>> Manufacter indicated it could last forever or fail thus said not to ride it.
>>
>> Fast sprint bike and great for the 30 mile rides...
>>
>> I was always looking to get the ride over with.  Never got on the bike to 
>> meander through the park.  Burned out on going all out all the time .. It 
>> was fun for a long time So was my two seater Jensen Healy ... But just 
>> as I'll never go back to the Jenson, I'll also never be stuck with just a cf 
>> bike.  Today I get on my bike for short rides turned long... Long rides 
>> turned short.. On just about any clothing and the roads I though were rough 
>> are actually pretty smooth.
>>
>> My AHH may be slower, and I miss some of the sprints, and even the bar to 
>> bar shoulder to shoulder banging all out major crash waiting to happen 
>> riding... On occasion ..
>>  Until I get on that sweet quick, smooth, fast downhill corner hugging AHH.  
>> And I don't need all those miles to be comfy.. Just get on the thing.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5155759637/in/set-72157625210417815
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:28:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/brookline/2012/08/on_biking_just_ride_urges_less.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 8/15.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Petersen says professional bike racing has corrupted a beautiful
>>>
>>> thing." -- There is some truth to that, with racing driving recent
>>>
>>> hyperactive hard-sell marketing, but man, old, steel racing bikes from
>>>
>>> the '60s through the early '80s? Some of those were wonderful bikes!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you ride a modern carbon fiber bike in other than full race mode?
>>>
>>> In other words: I've read several reviews of CF race bikes that
>>>
>>> describe them as unrewarding to ride except at high power. Are all CF
>>>
>>> racing bikes -- or, tout court, bikes -- like this? (I realize that
>>>
>>> that is a matter of design, no material.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone ride and really like a CF bike? I'd be curious to learn
>>>
>>> about it: make, model, setup, ride qualities -- handling, comfort,
>>>
>>> acceleration and so forth. I do know they are fun to heft -- remember
>>>
>>> hefting a ~12 lb Calfee fixie!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Flannery O'Connor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What's your Rivendell story?

2012-08-23 Thread ekoral

I had been in a gnarly bicycle accident on my old trek road bike in 2008. I 
was a victim of a hit and run in san francisco and i shattered my left leg. 
All of this put me in the hospital for six weeks and over a year of rehab 
and walking aids and surgeries after that. So far I've had seven surgeries, 
skin graft, bone graft, three fasciotomies from recurring compartment 
syndrome, etc etc etc. Anyway, I was eager to get back on a bicycle after 
this. I looked on CL, and I found an aluminum cannondale caad3. I thought 
this was right. I built her up with straps and I used to bungee my foldable 
cane to the handlebars so I could walk after riding. The cannondale had 
just never been comfortable enough after my injury though, and I was 
looking for something else. I considered a hybrid, mtb, touring frames, 
etc. I know I had quite a bit of bike karma out there for me, and one day 
there she was on CL - a 53cm atlantis, set up as an xtracycle no less, for 
$1000. I immediately called, said, don't sell her, I want it. I went there 
later that day, bought it for $900 (from the nice folks at xtracycle!). The 
rest is history. I haven't had ANY pain riding bikes since then, even with 
a mildly gimpy leg. 
--eli

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:06:10 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
> So how did you originally find out about them, and why/where/how did you 
> get your first Rivendell bike?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In case it's not already old news: Grant's book on (in?) boston.com

Kelly: thanks, very interesting comparison. My own experience of
Rivendells' handling -- including that of the Sam HIll, which I
didn't, overall, like well enough to keep -- is exactly this supremely
confident, fast cornering combined with an almost "intuitive"
(cliche', I know) willingness to go where you want them to. And your
remarks about the CF ride supports what others say: that unless you
are going to ride them very agressively, they are not really
rewarding.

Patrick "wish I could average 22 mph over 160 miles" Moore

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Kelly  wrote:
> Patrick
>
> I road high end cf for ten years.   Aggressive setup .. Mavic carbone wheels 
> etc...
> My routine was 1000 miles early in season to get neck arms and arse ready and 
> to be comfy.
> Wasn't very comfortable for first 500 or so.
>
> Was a sweet ride at 65 mph coming down off veil pass.  Had nice high end 
> wobble on one frame in turn at just over 55 mph in Boulder ... Road RAIN 160 
> miles one way one day on it..seemed nice and finished just over 22 mph 
> average.
>
> Road average of 10 to 12 centuries per year.
>
> I would avoid many roads as they were to rough ... Hated concrete roads, and 
> had numerous flats tooling around town.  Broke axles, handlebars, seat posts, 
> and frame.. Then had to replace a frame after impact on roof rack.  
> Manufacter indicated it could last forever or fail thus said not to ride it.
>
> Fast sprint bike and great for the 30 mile rides...
>
> I was always looking to get the ride over with.  Never got on the bike to 
> meander through the park.  Burned out on going all out all the time .. It was 
> fun for a long time So was my two seater Jensen Healy ... But just as 
> I'll never go back to the Jenson, I'll also never be stuck with just a cf 
> bike.  Today I get on my bike for short rides turned long... Long rides 
> turned short.. On just about any clothing and the roads I though were rough 
> are actually pretty smooth.
>
> My AHH may be slower, and I miss some of the sprints, and even the bar to bar 
> shoulder to shoulder banging all out major crash waiting to happen riding... 
> On occasion ..
>  Until I get on that sweet quick, smooth, fast downhill corner hugging AHH.  
> And I don't need all those miles to be comfy.. Just get on the thing.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5155759637/in/set-72157625210417815
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:28:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/brookline/2012/08/on_biking_just_ride_urges_less.html
>>
>>
>>
>> 8/15.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Petersen says professional bike racing has corrupted a beautiful
>>
>> thing." -- There is some truth to that, with racing driving recent
>>
>> hyperactive hard-sell marketing, but man, old, steel racing bikes from
>>
>> the '60s through the early '80s? Some of those were wonderful bikes!
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you ride a modern carbon fiber bike in other than full race mode?
>>
>> In other words: I've read several reviews of CF race bikes that
>>
>> describe them as unrewarding to ride except at high power. Are all CF
>>
>> racing bikes -- or, tout court, bikes -- like this? (I realize that
>>
>> that is a matter of design, no material.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone ride and really like a CF bike? I'd be curious to learn
>>
>> about it: make, model, setup, ride qualities -- handling, comfort,
>>
>> acceleration and so forth. I do know they are fun to heft -- remember
>>
>> hefting a ~12 lb Calfee fixie!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville."
>>
>>
>>
>> Flannery O'Connor
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA
>>
>> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW
>>
>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Longboard fender rub


>
> Rubbing of the flap on the ground, or on the tire?
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Grip King pedals

2012-08-23 Thread Jared Volpe

I'll take them if Jeremy doesn't want them.  If anyone else has a pair I'm 
interested!

Jared

On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:00:10 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>  
> I have a pair, barely ridden.
> What about $30 shipped priority within CONUS?
>  
> Joe in western Colorado
>  
>
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:20:28 PM UTC-6, Jeremy wrote: 
>
>> If anyone has Grip Kings they don't like, I'd like to give them a try. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - Midnight Bliss...


>
> I know the feeling of midnight rides.
>
Once I breezed around with a new lighting sysem on. It was amazing to ride 
at night. So quiet and barely cars!! Only the whirring of the tires on 
pavement.
 

> Single speed would be cool to have, but my knees would be destroyed in no 
> time.
> You guys must have knees of iron. I don't know how you do it.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Riders Brooks Saddle