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[RBW] Beautiful 52cm custom on ebay

2013-01-21 Thread cyclotourist

Nice as is, but begs for a 650B conversion:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200882676560ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123



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Re: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

2013-01-21 Thread Rob

Sunday the 27th sounds good to me!

Rob in Seattle

On Friday, January 11, 2013 5:33:21 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 It's been awhile since I did this, but I have some pointers for dealing 
 with bends. Start in the middle of the bend and wrap in both directions 
 from there. That means you'll have to unroll the tape and start a few feet 
 in from the end. Cut the tape under the brake lever hood, and resume under 
 the other side of the lever hood.

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[RBW] Re: Why do my rides end up like this?

2013-01-21 Thread IanA

He looks like The Norwegian Captain to me.

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:56:48 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 We got lost. I blame Sean. His general saying was, Well if Grant can do 
 it...
 All in good fun when no one gets hurt. 
 Stopped at a garage sale afterwards and pick up some swag. 
 Found a Seamen Captain. He needs a name. Any suggestions? 

 Pictures prove that garage sales are always reason to stop.
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDG4iAV

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[RBW] On chainsuck

2013-01-21 Thread Paul Y

My Hillborne and its Sugino XD2 are about 3 years old. I recently put a new 
chain on and had 100% reliable chain suck on the granny ring. 
Earl Grey helped me out with a replacement ring and I put it on this 
afternoon. Its interesting to note how severely burred the original ring is 
on several teeth.

I'm wondering if I filed down the burrs, if this chain ring could provide 
any further useful life, or if the profile is already beyond salvage. 

The new ring has solved the problem completely! 

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8362/8402180136_84bea5899f_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8353/8401022277_a8e5ed0564_c.jpg



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[RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

2013-01-21 Thread Paul Y

Superb video! I'd really like to try this now. 
Added Newbaums to the shopping list... 

Does anyone use shellac on bars done with this type of wrap? 

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[RBW] On chainsuck

2013-01-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

I always advocate the proper disposal of worn-out parts...but that ring looks 
like it may be reversible. File off the most prominent burrs, and flip the ring.

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[RBW] Re: Why do my rides end up like this?

2013-01-21 Thread Ron Mc

driving into work this morning, in the dark, there were two bicycles 
stopped at the end of the left shoulder on a limited access highway.  No 
lights.  
I know how they got there, but I can't imagine why.  So you weren't as lost 
as they were.  Glad you made the best of it.  

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:56:48 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 We got lost. I blame Sean. His general saying was, Well if Grant can do 
 it...
 All in good fun when no one gets hurt. 
 Stopped at a garage sale afterwards and pick up some swag. 
 Found a Seamen Captain. He needs a name. Any suggestions? 

 Pictures prove that garage sales are always reason to stop.
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDG4iAV

 -Manny Pretty we're lost Acosta


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Re: [RBW] New Blug Post with Jay Ritchey video

2013-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE

I was impressed by Mark's articulation and by the obvious lack of
attitude among the speakers.

Packing: the packing for frames and bikes I've received have been real
works of art in themselves.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

Wow..I didn't know John left. To me he's almost as much Rivendell as
Grant is. I'm sorry to see him go, and wish him well.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:46:56 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

John got married and he and his wife (high school sweethearts
reconnected!) moved to Oregon in early Nov to be near family. Losing John
was gigantic, but I'm in contact with him daily and it's not all
pleasure---he may work a few hours a week for us. Mark is the new GM, and
we're all happy about that. It wasn't a case of -- having to promote from
within. Mark knows the job, conferred with John about it...and has been
doing great.
Anyway, we ALL miss John so much, and he'd have been great in the video.
His office would have stolen the show.
Thank you all for liking it, and to whatever extent Rivendell Bicycle *
works*, now you know why. Originally Jay and I talked about a
ten-to-twelve minute videos, and that was the plan. And that was the
budget, too. A few months later, after all the shooting (I think everything
was one-take), Jay sent me a 29-minute vid (only the ultra-beginning, with
me ridng down the trail, and then the typeover was added). Jay is a
remarkable guy. He dives into things and seems to not know about learning
curves the way the rest of us do. Jay was a great employee and friend. You
can't know him without wanting to be more like him and feeling lucky. Super
guy and he did a great job.

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:16:23 PM UTC-8, Mike Gillespie wrote:

Rivsters,

Enjoyed the video. Looks like a great place to work. However, I
noticed that John Bennett was left out. Just checked the Riv website,
and sure enough, no John listed in the staff line-up. Mark is now GM.
Seems like a recent change the went unnoticed, unless I misses
something.

Mike G.

On 1/19/13, René Sterental orth...@gmail.com wrote:

It really doesn't matter. As a customer, one of the things that earns
my
loyalty is feeling that the shop/vendor/company will go out if their
way
to
do something for me. Rivendell has done it in the past and I expect
will
continue to do it in the future if necessary. That is why I have 4
Rivendell bicycles and keep buying from them things I could buy
elsewhere.

In turn, I try to avoid being unreasonable and taking advantage of
them.
I've been in the opposite side of the spectrum, where stuff I wanted
was
being sold by a vendor who I felt treated me poorly, and I've learned
the
hard way that it wasn't worth buying from them, especially when there
are
many other equivalent options out there.

While as a customer, I do not expect that Rivendell will replace my
frames
whenever anything unfortunate happens to them, when I needed them to,
for
sizing issues, they volunteered to do it. For an individual, it might
mean
everything; for a shop, it will likely b the seed of more future
business
and referrals. While there are indeed people who will abuse this, on
the
long run the benefit for all will be much larger. For me, it sealed
the
deal.

I don't support the LBS that is closest to me; I support the ones that
give
me the best service and go out of their way for me; they make me feel
special and welcome. When they stop doing that due to management
changes,
policy changes or because the sales person or mechanic that did it
goes
elsewhere, I follow them to their new place of work unless they go out
of
town, even if I have to drive further.

And going back to the video, while everyone I've ever interacted with
at
Rivendell has always been wonderful, I do agree that Keven is special.
Very
special. I wasn't surprised when Grant stated it in the video.

René

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

One of the most misunderestimated factors contributing to bike performance is a 
fast-sounding catalog description.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

2013-01-21 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

I did, and it works great.  Pic here (please excuse the poor harlequin effort - 
 I was making it up as I went along.  Anyway, the question was about shellac!). 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5645451069/in/set-72157626433454817  
And the great thing about shellac - that you can reapply and make the bars look 
fresh without having to rewrap - works, if anything, even better with harlequin 
wraps.  This pic shows the bars after a reapplication, following a year's 
accumulation of Philadelphia grime from a year of everyday commuting by my son. 
 Scrubbed off the dirt, a couple of new coats right over the old, and voila!  
As good as new.  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5645451069/in/set-72157626433454817

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

Superb video! I'd really like to try this now.
Added Newbaums to the shopping list...

Does anyone use shellac on bars done with this type of wrap?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread Peter Morgano

Down the rabbit hole we go, talking about fast bikes, blergh. I think
there are just so many factors that go into one bike feeling fast over
another--tires, rider position, crank length, bb, spoke count, type of
rims, level of components, rider abilty, wind resistance, terrain, etc. I
like to think of the frameset as a foundation of what you want to do but
you build it up from there according to its purpose. Can you build a
lightweight Bombadil for club rides? I bet you could, but you would be
working against its intended purpose. On the other hand though I would
imagine Tommy is way faster on his new Bombadil than I am on my 70s
Peugeot racing bike, in this case due to the fact he is a young guy in
good shape and I am well not, haha. So the fast moniker is pretty
misleading on the whole I find.
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 One of the most misunderestimated factors contributing to bike performance
 is a fast-sounding catalog description.

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[RBW] RBW-style riding scene in Chicago?

2013-01-21 Thread Forrest

I am moving to Chicago in two weeks, and I want to explore the cycling 
scene there. Will rent first, maybe in 'burbs near O'Hare airport. 
Eventually may buy a place in a city neighborhood north/northwest of 
downtown. Anyone on this list know of good trails, shops, cycling 
resources, kindred spirits, etc., in Chicagoland, especially those things 
in the general spirit of the type of riding embraced by this group? Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread RJM

I am going to be able to answer this  in 4 months or so, that is about when 
my Roadeo will be coming in. I have been using the Sam as a go fast bike 
for club rides, as it is my only bike so I had to make due. The Roadeo will 
be my fast bike once I get it, so I will be able to compare the two on 
similar rides with similar builds. I suspect the Roadeo is going to be a 
bit more responsive and climb easier, maybe even do that thing Jan always 
talks aboutplaning?
 
I think for fast club riding, special attention should be paid to wheels. I 
am going to think long and hard about what wheels to get for it as I would 
like the Roadeo to be fast. Keeping the total bike weight down should 
help a bit, but it isn't my goal with the Roadeo I went with a threaded 
steerer so I can use my lugged stem. This kind of goes against the total 
weight of the bike, but I like to move my stems up and down especially the 
first year of having a bike and I like the look of quill stems more than 
threaded. I don't think this will make a difference on how fast the bike is 
though. Tires, wheels, brifters or not, component selection ect. These are 
going to make a difference though.
 
This whole what makes a bike fast conversation is one I really want to 
hear now, but I suspect that set up will make the largest difference. The 
type of tubing and what angles those are put together have to make a 
difference also...it just has to, right?
 

On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:58 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Down the rabbit hole we go, talking about fast bikes, blergh. I think 
 there are just so many factors that go into one bike feeling fast over 
 another--tires, rider position, crank length, bb, spoke count, type of 
 rims, level of components, rider abilty, wind resistance, terrain, etc. I 
 like to think of the frameset as a foundation of what you want to do but 
 you build it up from there according to its purpose. Can you build a 
 lightweight Bombadil for club rides? I bet you could, but you would be 
 working against its intended purpose. On the other hand though I would 
 imagine Tommy is way faster on his new Bombadil than I am on my 70s 
 Peugeot racing bike, in this case due to the fact he is a young guy in 
 good shape and I am well not, haha. So the fast moniker is pretty 
 misleading on the whole I find. 
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 thil...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread Michael



 I think the simplest way I can put my topic question is: Why does Grant 
 describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just interested in what it 
 is about this frame, and what they designed into the frame, to make it for 
 that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their description on the 
 Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.
  

 I don't wanna discuss what makes a fast bike. Just what it is about the 
Roadeo frame, and what they designed into the frame, that Grant calls it a 
bike meant for fast rides. How does it differ from the hilsen.

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread William

Michael wrote

The description on the site led me to believe it is the fastest bike they 
make... However, it doesn't say what makes it that way

OK, I'm still kind of guessing what it is you are after, so I'll ask and 
answer my own questions, and see if that helps at all.  I'm trying to 
answer what you are asking, but I'm afraid I'm coming off like a jerk.  
That's not my intent.  

Q1.  Take a TYPICAL Hilsen set up out there in the world and a TYPICAL 
Roadeo setup.  Which bike is faster?  
A1.  The Roadeo.  A typical Roadeo has lighter wheels, faster tires, and 
weighs ~5 lbs less.  A typical Roadeo build puts the rider in a more 
athletic position over the handlebars, more conducive to powerful riding. 

Q2.  Take the TYPICAL Roadeo build in Q1 and swap all his parts to a Hilsen 
in the same size.  Get the rider in exactly the same riding position.  How 
much slower will he be on his next club ride?
A2.  Not much slower at all.  I'd wager he would not be slower at all.  

Q3.  Is the Roadeo frameset lighter?  
A3.  A little, but not lighter enough to make you faster

Q4.  Is the Hilsen frameset stronger and stiffer?  
A4.  Yes, a little.  Some think stiffer is faster.  Some think flexier is 
faster.  Some think comfort all comes from frame flex.  Others say comfort 
is mostly from tires.  

It's my opinion that the Hilsen is a much more versatile bike, because of 
clearances and braze ons.  You can do any of several different kinds of 
builds on a Hilsen, which will influence how fast the bike is.  The Roadeo 
is less versatile and more specialized to one particular kind of build, 
which is a fast build.  

If you know you are going to do a fast build, and you'll never change it, 
get a Roadeo, you'll love it
If you know you are going to do a fast build, and a sport-tour build, and a 
commute build, and swap around between them at your whim, and you'd like 
one frame to enable them all, get a Hilsen, you'll love it. 



On Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:54:07 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:

 William,
 The description on the site led me to believe it is the fastest bike they 
 make, intended for fast club riding and not for 
 touring/commuting/utility/country/ doingsomething riding like their other 
 bikes are described. It even comes with the option for an aheadset type 
 headset.
 It says it is their answer to speedy modern CF bikes.
 So, to me, this sounds like it is the fastest/only race-like model in 
 current production.

 However, it doesn't say what makes it that way. 
 There is no discussion of geometry or power transfer, etc. 
 So I was wondering what about this steel bike that is so similar to the 
 Hilsen (minus brazeons) makes it intended for fast riding only.



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[RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

2013-01-21 Thread William

I agree this is really helpful.  

Brian, how many rolls did you need?  I'd guess you needed two rolls of 
Maroon.  Did you get away with only one roll of yellow?  

On Friday, December 28, 2012 12:51:45 AM UTC-8, stonehog wrote:

 I finally got the hang of getting a video set up on doing a diamond 
 pattern bar wrap.  Have a look if you are interested in this style.  I 
 would love your feedback on how to make this more helpful.

 http://wp.me/p1kJzU-4K

 Brian
 Seattle, WA


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[RBW] Re: FS Atlantis 51cm Toyo ........

2013-01-21 Thread Kristen Bell

Hi Charlie,

I'm interested in purchasing the Atlantis -- looks like a great bike and 
just what I am looking for!  I did a test-ride on a 50cm Sam Hillbourne and 
that fit great (I'm 5'1).  I am hoping that the 51cm Atlantis will fit. 

Could you help me with a few questions?  First, I live in the SF Bay area 
-- would it be possible for you to ship the frame to Rivendell (in Walnut 
Creek, CA) so that they could build it up at their shop?  $1600 is the very 
top of my price point and I wonder if you could include shipping cost?

Second, can you provide any guarantee that the frame is indeed an Atlantis 
that has never been built?  I saw the photos (which look great!) but I've 
never purchased anything off this list and I don't know what protections 
there are.

Thanks very much -- I look forward to hearing from you!

~Kristen

  
On Saturday, December 8, 2012 3:45:32 AM UTC-8, Charlie wrote:

 Purchased a few years ago from Rivendell and never built.  A unique 
 color

 $1600 located in Connecticut.

 Pictures here..

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/7338969@N06/6679269441/in/photostream


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[RBW] Re: Riv Visit

2013-01-21 Thread hsmitham

Hi Chris,

I flew up November 30th form Burbank on a stormy day, my wife and I rode 
the Hilsen, Hillborne and Betty Foy  and a couple others, the Riv crew were 
great, Rich educated me on their wheels and Keven was his usual helpful 
self. I ordered a AAH with custom color and Brian just sent me a pic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/8399675881/in/photostream

I sold my Cervelo R3 carbon bike  in October 2012 so I could afford my 
dream bike. Can't wait to throw my leg of the AAH and just ride.

Cheers,

Hugh Smitham
Los Angeles, CA

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:30:58 AM UTC-8, Chris wrote:

 Drive up from Los Angeles and made my first trip up to the RivHQ this 
 weekend. Great guys. They let me ride just about everything in the shop and 
 complimented my 1984 Univega. Sorry Im horrible with names and can't 
 remember everyone but Joe was awesome. They even gave me a hat and a few 
 Riv readers. I knew I would dig the Hilsen but the speed and solidness of 
 the Atlantis and the Hunga were surprising. Great bikes. Now I just have to 
 sell all my other rides to buy one LOL.

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[RBW] Re: 1st Ride Report

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Hogan

Hi Tommy- 
It wasn't till I saw the Burnside Bridge that I realized it was *YOUR 
Bombadi*l! That was a quick build and a beautiful one. Love the handlebar 
tape.
Ride safely! You'll never go wrong listening to Smitty  Manny.
Dennis in PDX

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:45:54 PM UTC-8, tommynguyen wrote:

 Peter suggest I make a post, so here it is.

 Technically, it has been a few rides. A little side story of how the bike 
 came to be:

 I rarely frequent the forums but decided on a fine December day to browse 
 and see all the happenings on the web. I stumbled upon Peter's post of a 
 Bombadil for sale and quickly emailed him. I was reluctant at first knowing 
 that I really didn't need another bike but with the proper push (from Andy 
 'Smitty' Schmidt and ManuelAcosta) I took the dive... and was it a good 
 one. 

 Within a week, the frame, fork and additional goodies arrived (+1 for 
 Peter M.). Gracious that Andy allowed a landing pad for the box since my 
 neighborhood isn't too ideal for pricey items to be stationed. From then 
 on, part list was compiled with the help of Manny and Andy (again) and 
 slowly it came together. 

 Finally, I have had some time to take it for a spin and boy does my face 
 hurt from smiling. It's nothing like the bikes I have ridden before. The 
 frame is responsive, accelerates well and comfortable. Not to mention, it's 
 easy on the eyes. Here are some photos of the ride, before racks are put 
 on. 


 http://www.flickr.com/photos/metron04/sets/72157632564755576/



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[RBW] Re: Portland Rides in March/April?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Hogan

+1 on the OR Randonneurs, a very nice group of riders, several Riv riders - 
for club rides, the Portland Wheelman have daily rides of varying distance 
and difficulty. Check their website at: pwtc.com. Look for the rides tab.
Dennis in PDX

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 9:11:13 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:

 Do any Portland-area Riv riders know of a good list of 100-mile to 200- or 
 300k rides in the Portland area in March or April? I'd like to bring a bike 
 and do an organized ride, but I'm having trouble finding a concise list. 

 Thanks in advance. 

 Eric N 
 www.CampyOnly.com 
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 


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[RBW] FS: 61cm AHH

2013-01-21 Thread Anton

I'm selling my Homer Hilsen. It's a little over a year old, in good shape. 
Usual scratches: some chain-suck marks on the chainstay, chips around the 
left shifter boss. Frame, fork, headset, brakes, rack, fenders, for $1300. 
Here's a link to some older pictures: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/59417094@N08/I can post more, and 
more detailed ones, in a day or so when I get hold of a camera.

61cm, Waterford-built Homer Hilsen
Tange headset
Tektro Long Reach Brakes
Velo Orange constructeur (I think those quotation marks indicate irony in 
this instance) rear rack
SKS longboard fenders

I could also sell the complete bike, $2200, or any of the following parts:
Nitto Pearl stem, 10cm
Nitto 176 Dream bar, 44cm
Ultegra aero levers (scuffed, paint missing)
Nitto S85 seatpost
Campagnolo Chorus crank with 39 and 44 tooth rings and Record BB
Dura Ace 9speed rear derailer
Ultegra 36 spoke front hub, laced to grey Open Pro
Low end Shimano rear hub (130 OL)  laced 32 spokes to grey open pros (rear 
wheel a little beat) (DT db spokes)
Brooks B17, copper rails and rivets.

I have additional chainrings if you'd like, a Dura Ace f. derailer to match 
the rear, and a pair of little-used Panaracer Pasela 35mm tires to include. 
I'd like to keep the saddlebag. I'm in the boston area, and a local sale 
would be welcome, but I won't, of course, insist on that. I can post new 
pictures in a day or so when I can get my hands on a digital camera.

Best,

Anton

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[RBW] My Rambouillet PICS

2013-01-21 Thread Rando Rambo

Hello Rivendell folks,

As much as I like reading your posts and stories, I love the pictures the 
most, so here are some of mine.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/desert-lake/

enjoy

  


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[RBW] Stuff for sale

2013-01-21 Thread Alex Zeibot

For sale are gently to never used items, shipping $5-10 depending on the
item(s).

See the link for the pics:
https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A1JtdOXmGa4I7p

If interested, please email me directly.  PayPal is preferred.


Nitto R-14 rear rack, excellent condition: $60, included clamps.

Nitto Mini Front rack, excellent condition:  $60, included clamps.

Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 120mm, bar clamp 26mm: $30 or trade for 90mm.

Nitto North Road handlebars, 25.4 clamp, 54 cm C to C: $25.

700c Honjo aluminum fenders including the hardware.  Model: NH401-700N, width:
40 mm, depth: 20 mm, finish: smooth, round, no fluting or ridge. Price: $30

Thomson Elite Setback seat post, excellent condition: $30

Paul Canti brake levers, excellent condition: $60 for a pair.

Unused NOS front and rear Shimano Dura Ace centerpull brake calipers.
Includes all the hardware i.e., cable yokes, front and rear cable hangers
(rear has quick release), washers, etc.  47-65mm reach. Asking $30.  Or
trade for either Nitto 70mm stem or Nitto drop bars.

Thanks,

Alex

St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Renovelo

2013-01-21 Thread Erin R

Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread William

Why does Grant describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just 
interested in what it is about this frame, and what they designed into the 
frame, to make it for that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their 
description on the Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.

This is an excellent question and I think it goes back to the first 
sentence on the Roadeo page:

The Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes 

It is a product offering to give people what they are after.  People who 
are shopping for a racing bike at 5 different shops and consider a 
Rivendell are conditioned to expect a particular look.  I know I am so 
conditioned.  I fit a 59cm Hilsen and a 59cm Roadeo.  If I wanted to do a 
racy build, I would get a Roadeo over a Hilsen because the Hilsen would 
look weird to my eye with huge brakes and skinny tires.  The Roadeo would 
look right with skinny tires.  That's it and that's all.  If I did not mind 
being limited to a racy build, then I would buy the Roadeo.  I have a frame 
that limits me in exactly the way the Roadeo would limit me.  If I wanted 
one bike to be a racy bike and be something else at other times, I'd buy 
the Hilsen and get over the fact that it looks goofy with skinny tires.  

I don't believe Grant claims that the Roadeo is inherently faster than the 
Hilsen.  

On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44:05 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:

 I think the simplest way I can put my topic question is: Why does Grant 
 describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just interested in what it 
 is about this frame, and what they designed into the frame, to make it for 
 that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their description on the 
 Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.
  

  I don't wanna discuss what makes a fast bike. Just what it is about the 
 Roadeo frame, and what they designed into the frame, that Grant calls it a 
 bike meant for fast rides. How does it differ from the hilsen.


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[RBW] Re: Why do my rides end up like this?

2013-01-21 Thread Ryan Ray

I don't know why your rides end up like this but I know who I'll look up if 
I'm ever in your area. Your rides sound fun.

- Ryan



On Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:56:48 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 We got lost. I blame Sean. His general saying was, Well if Grant can do 
 it...
 All in good fun when no one gets hurt. 
 Stopped at a garage sale afterwards and pick up some swag. 
 Found a Seamen Captain. He needs a name. Any suggestions? 

 Pictures prove that garage sales are always reason to stop.
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDG4iAV

 -Manny Pretty we're lost Acosta


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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

My feeling is that when the Rambouillet was supplanted by the AHH, a few people 
felt that the added tire clearance of the AHH was a performance compromise, 
somehow. The compromise was more perceived than real, but when a company is 
trying to sell stuff, perception is everything. So Grant designed a version of 
the AHH without the added tire clearance or rack braze-ons, both of which 
pollute the purity and single-mindedness of purpose of a road bike (to the road 
bike purist). The Roadeo was made for purists, and the ad copy reassures the 
purist that nothing about the Roadeo is a compromise in the name of 
versatility. Most/all of that which is written about the Roadeo performance 
could also be truthfully written about the Hilsen, but the Hilsen customers 
tend to prize versatility more than speed, so the Hilsen entry emphasizes the 
traits that make the bike versatile, rather than fast.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread Peter Morgano

You know, as has been covered a few times on this list the people at RBW
are really nice. If you have a question you can reach out to them by old
fashioned telephone and talk to them.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why does Grant describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just
 interested in what it is about this frame, and what they designed into the
 frame, to make it for that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their
 description on the Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.

 This is an excellent question and I think it goes back to the first
 sentence on the Roadeo page:

 The Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes 

 It is a product offering to give people what they are after.  People who
 are shopping for a racing bike at 5 different shops and consider a
 Rivendell are conditioned to expect a particular look.  I know I am so
 conditioned.  I fit a 59cm Hilsen and a 59cm Roadeo.  If I wanted to do a
 racy build, I would get a Roadeo over a Hilsen because the Hilsen would
 look weird to my eye with huge brakes and skinny tires.  The Roadeo would
 look right with skinny tires.  That's it and that's all.  If I did not mind
 being limited to a racy build, then I would buy the Roadeo.  I have a frame
 that limits me in exactly the way the Roadeo would limit me.  If I wanted
 one bike to be a racy bike and be something else at other times, I'd buy
 the Hilsen and get over the fact that it looks goofy with skinny tires.

 I don't believe Grant claims that the Roadeo is inherently faster than the
 Hilsen.

 On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44:05 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:

 I think the simplest way I can put my topic question is: Why does Grant
 describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just interested in what it
 is about this frame, and what they designed into the frame, to make it for
 that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their description on the
 Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.


  I don't wanna discuss what makes a fast bike. Just what it is about the
 Roadeo frame, and what they designed into the frame, that Grant calls it a
 bike meant for fast rides. How does it differ from the hilsen.

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[RBW] Re: On chainsuck

2013-01-21 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

In addition to the burrs, there may be non-obvious wear in the valley of 
the tooth pattern - you essentially elongate the dip.  I usually match up 
the new under the old to determine how much change to the shape has 
occurred.  The burrs are probably the cause of chainsuck, but the more 
rounded out the pattern becomes, the quicker I seem to burn through chains. 

Also, steel chainrings are a good thing - especially in the high stress 
applications (say if someone were to ride their Quickbeam in fixed mode 95% 
of the time) or on smaller rings.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Riv Visit

2013-01-21 Thread Chris

Nice bike, Hugh
The AHH sure was a fun bike to ride. Did you test ride on the trail just down 
the street? The Iron Horse trail?

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[RBW] Re: Riv Visit

2013-01-21 Thread William

That green meanie is a great looking bike!  58cm?  Just splendid.  

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:33:35 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Chris,

 I flew up November 30th form Burbank on a stormy day, my wife and I rode 
 the Hilsen, Hillborne and Betty Foy  and a couple others, the Riv crew were 
 great, Rich educated me on their wheels and Keven was his usual helpful 
 self. I ordered a AAH with custom color and Brian just sent me a pic:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/8399675881/in/photostream

 I sold my Cervelo R3 carbon bike  in October 2012 so I could afford my 
 dream bike. Can't wait to throw my leg of the AAH and just ride.

 Cheers,

 Hugh Smitham
 Los Angeles, CA

 On Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:30:58 AM UTC-8, Chris wrote:

 Drive up from Los Angeles and made my first trip up to the RivHQ this 
 weekend. Great guys. They let me ride just about everything in the shop and 
 complimented my 1984 Univega. Sorry Im horrible with names and can't 
 remember everyone but Joe was awesome. They even gave me a hat and a few 
 Riv readers. I knew I would dig the Hilsen but the speed and solidness of 
 the Atlantis and the Hunga were surprising. Great bikes. Now I just have to 
 sell all my other rides to buy one LOL.



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Re: [RBW] Renovelo

2013-01-21 Thread Jim Mather

The Renovelo offered now started as a Rambouillet, which is pretty
different from a Hunq. The size is fairly similar, 60cm top tube/88cm
standover for the Renovelo vs 62TT/91 standover for the Hunq. But the
Hunq takes a much wider tire and canti brakes. If you can live with
35mm tires, it's a great deal.

jim m
wc ca

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 Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
 62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
 could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance.

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Re: [RBW] Riv Visit

2013-01-21 Thread René Sterental

Just beautiful! What is that shade of green?

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Re: [RBW] Renovelo

2013-01-21 Thread James Warren

If you need a 62 Hunq, then you probably need the seat raised with the 64 
Renovelo you see. This Renovelo has a 2 degree up sloping TT. The Hunq's 
corresponding angle is 6 degrees. This results in the Hunq's head tube position 
being 4 cm higher than the 2 degree bikes, given equal seat tube lengths.

Rivendell has had two sizing styles (6 degree sloping TT's and the 2ish degree 
sloping TT's.) It's important to know which type you're looking at for a given 
frame. I fit equally well on a 64 cm Rambouillet and a 60 cm Sam Hillborne, 
because of this difference.

This Renovelo was a Rambouillet, so the proper size for you, based on seat 
tube, will be larger than it would be for the Hunq. If 62 Hunq were your ideal 
size, I would guess that 66 would be your starting approximation in Rambouillet 
sizing.

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 Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
 62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
 could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance. 
 
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Re: [RBW] Renovelo

2013-01-21 Thread James Warren

And as a follow-up, the following Rivendell's are in the 6 degree sloping TT 
category: Bombadil, Hillborne, Hunqapillar, San Marcos

The following are the more horizontal TT models: Atlantis, AHH, Roadeo, 
Rambouillet, Romulus, Legolas, Quickbeam, Simpleone

In the second category, AHH's angle is only 1.5 degrees, and Atlantis is 2.5. I 
think the rest are all 2 degree.

Grant has named the geometry of the former group the Expanded Geometry 
category. To get more or better info, you could ask Rivendell directly, 
referencing the term Expanded.

- Jim W.

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On Jan 21, 2013, at 10:09 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:

 If you need a 62 Hunq, then you probably need the seat raised with the 64 
 Renovelo you see. This Renovelo has a 2 degree up sloping TT. The Hunq's 
 corresponding angle is 6 degrees. This results in the Hunq's head tube 
 position being 4 cm higher than the 2 degree bikes, given equal seat tube 
 lengths.
 
 Rivendell has had two sizing styles (6 degree sloping TT's and the 2ish 
 degree sloping TT's.) It's important to know which type you're looking at for 
 a given frame. I fit equally well on a 64 cm Rambouillet and a 60 cm Sam 
 Hillborne, because of this difference.
 
 This Renovelo was a Rambouillet, so the proper size for you, based on seat 
 tube, will be larger than it would be for the Hunq. If 62 Hunq were your 
 ideal size, I would guess that 66 would be your starting approximation in 
 Rambouillet sizing.
 
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 Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
 62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
 could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance. 
 
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[RBW] Jumping into the ride-report game

2013-01-21 Thread cyclotourist

Looks like a lot of people are putting on miles this MLK weekend. Great to
see them and all the new bikes coming along as well!

I was able to get out yesterday, for my first long ride (2 hr) since
Thanksgiving. I wanted to put some miles in to see if I could pull off the
115K SFR route next weekend, but don't think so. I did  37 miles and was
mentally shot by the end. Usually this is a regular out and back for me,
but not this time. Physically tired from it, but no ITB concerns in my
knee, which has been my bane the last five or so years. Sore wrists today,
and a nice friction rash on the Brooks contact area.

Needless to say, I'm not up to doing the Populaire next weekend, which is a
real bummer. I'm still going up for the weekend, but hope to instead bang
around Mt. Tam, maybe say hi to anybody in the vicinity. If it's wet/muddy
around Marin, might instead head over to WC and say hi to Riv people and
ride Diablo.

Here are some SoCal ride pics from yesterday:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/archives/date-posted/2013/01/20/
65F when I started, 69F when I got back home. Very windy, with a LOT of
cyclers out cycling. Real good to see as many people out as I did.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread justinaugust

Are the geometries the same? I don't follow enough to know, honestly. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread Jim Mather

The geometries are quite different. You can compare here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0

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 Are the geometries the same? I don't follow enough to know, honestly.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

2013-01-21 Thread Dan McNamara

A call to RBW would probably answer any questions but looking at the
published Riv geometry Google doc there are differences that would make the
Rodeo more of a club bike - shorter chainstays, less rake, slightly
different ST and HT angles. Those differences plus component selection add
up to something that feels different than the AHH.

I know my Ram feels different than the AHH and it is close to the Rodeo
geometry.

Dan

Marin


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 You know, as has been covered a few times on this list the people at RBW
 are really nice. If you have a question you can reach out to them by old
 fashioned telephone and talk to them.

 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why does Grant describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just
 interested in what it is about this frame, and what they designed into the
 frame, to make it for that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their
 description on the Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.

 This is an excellent question and I think it goes back to the first
 sentence on the Roadeo page:

 The Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes 

 It is a product offering to give people what they are after.  People who
 are shopping for a racing bike at 5 different shops and consider a
 Rivendell are conditioned to expect a particular look.  I know I am so
 conditioned.  I fit a 59cm Hilsen and a 59cm Roadeo.  If I wanted to do a
 racy build, I would get a Roadeo over a Hilsen because the Hilsen would
 look weird to my eye with huge brakes and skinny tires.  The Roadeo would
 look right with skinny tires.  That's it and that's all.  If I did not mind
 being limited to a racy build, then I would buy the Roadeo.  I have a frame
 that limits me in exactly the way the Roadeo would limit me.  If I wanted
 one bike to be a racy bike and be something else at other times, I'd buy
 the Hilsen and get over the fact that it looks goofy with skinny tires.

 I don't believe Grant claims that the Roadeo is inherently faster than
 the Hilsen.

 On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44:05 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:

 I think the simplest way I can put my topic question is: Why does Grant
 describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just interested in what it
 is about this frame, and what they designed into the frame, to make it for
 that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their description on the
 Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.


  I don't wanna discuss what makes a fast bike. Just what it is about the
 Roadeo frame, and what they designed into the frame, that Grant calls it a
 bike meant for fast rides. How does it differ from the hilsen.

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Re: [RBW] New Blug Post with Jay Ritchey video

2013-01-21 Thread Eric Platt

Well, I'll be the first one to complain about the video - the slide guitar
wasn't audible enough on the outdoor jam. Excellent playing but coulda
used a second microphone to pick up the instruments better. (That's the
guitar playing side of me coming out).

Otherwise it was a very enjoyable video. Makes me want to head back out
west some day.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:45 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

I was impressed by Mark's articulation and by the obvious lack of
attitude among the speakers.

Packing: the packing for frames and bikes I've received have been real
works of art in themselves.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

Wow..I didn't know John left. To me he's almost as much Rivendell as
Grant is. I'm sorry to see him go, and wish him well.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:46:56 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

John got married and he and his wife (high school sweethearts
reconnected!) moved to Oregon in early Nov to be near family. Losing John
was gigantic, but I'm in contact with him daily and it's not all
pleasure---he may work a few hours a week for us. Mark is the new GM, and
we're all happy about that. It wasn't a case of -- having to promote from
within. Mark knows the job, conferred with John about it...and has been
doing great.
Anyway, we ALL miss John so much, and he'd have been great in the
video. His office would have stolen the show.
Thank you all for liking it, and to whatever extent Rivendell Bicycle *
works*, now you know why. Originally Jay and I talked about a
ten-to-twelve minute videos, and that was the plan. And that was the
budget, too. A few months later, after all the shooting (I think everything
was one-take), Jay sent me a 29-minute vid (only the ultra-beginning, with
me ridng down the trail, and then the typeover was added). Jay is a
remarkable guy. He dives into things and seems to not know about learning
curves the way the rest of us do. Jay was a great employee and friend. You
can't know him without wanting to be more like him and feeling lucky. Super
guy and he did a great job.

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:16:23 PM UTC-8, Mike Gillespie wrote:

Rivsters,

Mike G.

On 1/19/13, René Sterental orth...@gmail.com wrote:

It really doesn't matter. As a customer, one of the things that
earns my
loyalty is feeling that the shop/vendor/company will go out if their
way
to
do something for me. Rivendell has done it in the past and I expect
will
continue to do it in the future if necessary. That is why I have 4
Rivendell bicycles and keep buying from them things I could buy
elsewhere.

I don't support the LBS that is closest to me; I support the ones
that give
me the best service and go out of their way for me; they make me feel
special and welcome. When they stop doing that due to management
changes,
policy changes or because the sales person or mechanic that did it
goes
elsewhere, I follow them to their new place of work unless they go
out of
town, even if I have to drive further.

And going back to the video, while everyone I've ever interacted with
at
Rivendell has always been wonderful, I do agree that Keven is
special. Very
special. I wasn't surprised when Grant stated it in the video.

René

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[RBW] Crankset length

2013-01-21 Thread Dave

Hey hey,
Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 bleriot 
protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on it.  The pedal 
strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present frequently.   I've tried 
the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the gr-9 platform pedals.   
With toe clips, they strike the ground if moving the bike without my feet in 
them.  Any hard turns are problematic if you need to pedal through. 

How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks would 
provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or how new cranks 
would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's in there)so not 
sure if any of these questions can be answered.

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[RBW] Re: Stuff for sale

2013-01-21 Thread bwphoto

Alex-
I'd like the Northroads if they're still available, I'm in St. Paul so I 
could pick them up, I live in Highland.

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:16:06 AM UTC-6, velobandit wrote:

 For sale are gently to never used items, shipping $5-10 depending on the 
 item(s).

 See the link for the pics: 
 https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A1JtdOXmGa4I7p   

 If interested, please email me directly.  PayPal is preferred.


 Nitto R-14 rear rack, excellent condition: $60, included clamps.

 Nitto Mini Front rack, excellent condition:  $60, included clamps.

 Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 120mm, bar clamp 26mm: $30 or trade for 90mm.

 Nitto North Road handlebars, 25.4 clamp, 54 cm C to C: $25.

 700c Honjo aluminum fenders including the hardware.  Model: NH401-700N, 
 width: 
 40 mm, depth: 20 mm, finish: smooth, round, no fluting or ridge. Price: 
 $30

 Thomson Elite Setback seat post, excellent condition: $30

 Paul Canti brake levers, excellent condition: $60 for a pair.

 Unused NOS front and rear Shimano Dura Ace centerpull brake calipers.  
 Includes all the hardware i.e., cable yokes, front and rear cable hangers 
 (rear has quick release), washers, etc.  47-65mm reach. Asking $30.  Or 
 trade for either Nitto 70mm stem or Nitto drop bars.

 Thanks,

 Alex

 St. Paul, MN
  

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