[RBW] Re: Can anyone compare feel of MUSA wool to Icebreaker?

2013-10-16 Thread Ron Mc
BTW, I just compared an Icebreaker 200 with a MUSA - the only difference is 
the color of the thread in the seams.  

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:03:58 AM UTC-5, Earl Grey wrote:
>
> I love my Icebreaker woolens, but also have a Patagonia wool t-shirt that 
> I dislike because it is too SOFT! It just feels insubstantial and flimsy. I 
> assume the MUSA stuff is more like Icebreaker, but can anyone confirm? 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gernot
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Can anyone compare feel of MUSA wool to Icebreaker?

2013-10-16 Thread Ron Mc
ps - I have become  Kookaburra wool wash junkie since I bought my first 
bottle from Riv.  The lanolin improves your wool.  But it also improves all 
your laundry.  I wash towels and sheets in soap, but all my daughter's 
clothes, my cotton tees - it all comes out better with the Kookaburra.  

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:18:56 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> BTW, I just compared an Icebreaker 200 with a MUSA - the only difference 
> is the color of the thread in the seams.  
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:03:58 AM UTC-5, Earl Grey wrote:
>>
>> I love my Icebreaker woolens, but also have a Patagonia wool t-shirt that 
>> I dislike because it is too SOFT! It just feels insubstantial and flimsy. I 
>> assume the MUSA stuff is more like Icebreaker, but can anyone confirm? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gernot
>>
>>

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[RBW] Pittsburgh night ride

2013-10-16 Thread ascpgh
A very pleasant group I've ridden with every Tuesday, April through 
September has now gone dormant for the dark seasons. Several of us have 
decided to keep up the riding under the cover of darkness. It's become a 
celebration of generator hubs and LED headlights. We gather at Tazza d'oro 
coffee and head out for the highs and lows, enjoying the pretty vast 
infrastructure available off the roadways where possible. 

We wound our way through the Carnegie Mellon University campus, through a 
dark Panther Hollow, along the jail trail and the Hot Metal Bridge (named 
for the one-time cargo of the insulated  railcars taking molten iron or 
steel across the river to secondary mills) to the South Side. We picked a 
reasonably desolate path up into the heights of Mount Washington and along 
the "non-view" neighborhoods and then crossed the summit line to Grandview 
Avenue to enjoy the proceeds of our work. 

Mount Washington had coal seams that were mined horizontally with some 
opening on the face overlooking town. Chutes delivered it to the riverbank 
for a simple barge trip to the fires of the steel industry up and down the 
rivers. "Hell with the lid off" James Parton wrote in 1868. Certainly 
different now. This place is now about education, medicine, and technology. 
Other recent insights include the growing value of the waterfront 
*mileage,*which had been avoided as the uncomfortable place where industry was. 
Redevelopment has been managed to value those massive tracts and many 
bikeway miles have been established along them. The Great Allegheny Passage 
starts at the fountain in Point State Park and runs upstream along the city 
side of Monongahela ("*Mon*") River, crossing the Hot Metal Bridge and 
continuing to the town of McKeesport where it picks up the Youghiogheny ("*
Yock*") River along which it runs into the Allegheny Mountains toward 
Cumberland, MD then Washington DC via the C&O Canal towpath; 325 miles. Too 
much for tonight.

We descended Sycamore Street (part of the old Thrift Drug Classic and The 
Dirty Dozen ) 
to Station Square, crossed the very decorative Smithfield Street Bridge to 
downtown and the jail trail, and back to the start where several of us 
retired around the corner for a pleasant post ride refreshment and 
conversation. 

Nice to keep the positive vibe of the ride group going into dark part of 
the year. Sure is a glowing plug for lighting, I know it takes little 
provocation to spill praise for mine. 

Oh yeah, pictures prove... Pittsburgh Night Ride 
10/15

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: nitto 8cm dirt drop

2013-10-16 Thread Coconutbill
Still searching for an 8cm Periscopa stem...
(and a few other things like bosco bars)

if you have a spare dirt drop sitting around, lemme know, thanks!

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Re: [RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

2013-10-16 Thread Steve
Unfortunately (or fortunately), not I.  Should have bought it at the $2000 
BIN price when first listed.  Somewhat surprised it went for such a premium 
over the BIN price.
 

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:29:03 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okay, who's the lucky winner? http://www.ebay.com/itm/28118414 
>
> On 10/13/13, cyclotourist > wrote: 
> > I don't know, that's not much time considering how much work would be 
> > involved!!! 
> > 
> > On 10/12/13, Curtis McKenzie > wrote: 
> >> A well directed post. Maybe with a great deal of time, effort and 
> expense 
> >> such a  bicycle would be some what ready to ride by March 15 2014. 
> >> 
> >> Curtis "Redlands" McKenzie 
> >> 
> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013, cyclotourist wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Yes, a very old antique bike, bound to have lots of issues. Probably 
> >>> rusted out internally. Jagged exposed metal can give you tetanus, 
> >>> which is awful. I'm sure it will need a re-paint as well, never mind 
> >>> the original lead-based paint that will cause developmental delays in 
> >>> children.. Very unsafe for you or a loved one to even have in the 
> >>> garage. 
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, move right along, nothing to see here folks... 
> >>> 
> >>> On 10/12/13, Steve  > 
> wrote: 
> >>> > Should be interesting what it sells for.  However, it is almost a 20 
> >>> > year 
> >>> > old bike with a mix of nice (Paul, Phil) and ok (Shimano) components 
> , 
> >>> and 
> >>> > being a mixtie, and a large size to boot, probably limits its appeal 
> >>> > to 
> >>> > fans of Rivendell only.  Who know, the market may go crazy and bid 
> it 
> >>> > up. 
> >>> > 
> >>> > 
> >>> > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:57:10 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote: 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Yeah, I can easily see why that bike is 2K. It has paul centerpull 
> >>> brakes 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> and wheels with phil wood cassette hubs. That stuff aint cheap. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> My bet is that the bike sells for more than the 2k BIN price. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:01:25 AM UTC-5, Charlie wrote: 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >>> I agree the bike looks awkward - replace the stem with a dirt drop 
> >>> >>> and 
> >>> it 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> would look better.  I suspect the owner was real tall. 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> Grant has said he would build this frame for $3000 since he still 
> >>> >>> has 
> >>> >>> lugs.  Add in the components and replacement cost is $5500+.  To 
> >>> >>> those 
> >>> >>> who 
> >>> >>> expressed concerned that I post this and didn't buy it when the 
> BIN 
> >>> >>> was 
> >>> >>> 2000, I say what were you thinking? 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> Charlie 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote: 
> >>>  
> >>>  This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not 
> show 
> >>> up - 
> >>>  
> >>>  might have used an incorrect Google ID. 
> >>>  
> >>>  In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good 
> >>>  equipment on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no 
> >>>  association 
> >>>  with seller. 
> >>>  
> >>>  Charlie 
> >>>  
> >>>  Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links 
> >>>  are 
> >>>  permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find 
> >>>  though. 
> >>>  
> >>> >>> 
> >>> > 
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

2013-10-16 Thread cyclotourist
The right two people both wanted it. Lucky seller!

On 10/16/13, Steve  wrote:
> Unfortunately (or fortunately), not I.  Should have bought it at the $2000
> BIN price when first listed.  Somewhat surprised it went for such a premium
>
> over the BIN price.
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:29:03 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, who's the lucky winner? http://www.ebay.com/itm/28118414
>>
>> On 10/13/13, cyclotourist > wrote:
>> > I don't know, that's not much time considering how much work would be
>> > involved!!!
>> >
>> > On 10/12/13, Curtis McKenzie > wrote:
>> >> A well directed post. Maybe with a great deal of time, effort and
>> expense
>> >> such a  bicycle would be some what ready to ride by March 15 2014.
>> >>
>> >> Curtis "Redlands" McKenzie
>> >>
>> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013, cyclotourist wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yes, a very old antique bike, bound to have lots of issues. Probably
>> >>> rusted out internally. Jagged exposed metal can give you tetanus,
>> >>> which is awful. I'm sure it will need a re-paint as well, never mind
>> >>> the original lead-based paint that will cause developmental delays in
>> >>>
>> >>> children.. Very unsafe for you or a loved one to even have in the
>> >>> garage.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, move right along, nothing to see here folks...
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/12/13, Steve  >
>> wrote:
>> >>> > Should be interesting what it sells for.  However, it is almost a 20
>> >>> >
>> >>> > year
>> >>> > old bike with a mix of nice (Paul, Phil) and ok (Shimano) components
>> >>> >
>> ,
>> >>> and
>> >>> > being a mixtie, and a large size to boot, probably limits its appeal
>> >>> >
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > fans of Rivendell only.  Who know, the market may go crazy and bid
>> it
>> >>> > up.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:57:10 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Yeah, I can easily see why that bike is 2K. It has paul centerpull
>> >>> >>
>> >>> brakes
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> and wheels with phil wood cassette hubs. That stuff aint cheap.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> My bet is that the bike sells for more than the 2k BIN price.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:01:25 AM UTC-5, Charlie wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> I agree the bike looks awkward - replace the stem with a dirt drop
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> and
>> >>> it
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> would look better.  I suspect the owner was real tall.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Grant has said he would build this frame for $3000 since he still
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> has
>> >>> >>> lugs.  Add in the components and replacement cost is $5500+.  To
>> >>> >>> those
>> >>> >>> who
>> >>> >>> expressed concerned that I post this and didn't buy it when the
>> BIN
>> >>> >>> was
>> >>> >>> 2000, I say what were you thinking?
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Charlie
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>>  This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not
>> show
>> >>> up -
>> >>> 
>> >>>  might have used an incorrect Google ID.
>> >>> 
>> >>>  In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good
>> >>>  equipment on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no
>> >>>  association
>> >>>  with seller.
>> >>> 
>> >>>  Charlie
>> >>> 
>> >>>  Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links
>> >>> 
>> >>>  are
>> >>>  permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find
>> >>>  though.
>> >>> 
>> >>> >>>
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[RBW] Pittsburgh night ride

2013-10-16 Thread dan gee
Cool! I would also be interested in participating in this - please post info or 
hit me up off-list. 

Dan G, also in Pittsburgh 

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[RBW] Re: Pittsburgh night ride

2013-10-16 Thread Rusty Click
Hi Andy,
Great write up on the tuesday ride through Pittsburgh.  Nice pics too!  I 
ride these trails/roads/paths a few times a month, and was vicariously 
riding along with you.  Did you go up 18th street to get to Mt Washington?

I've seen the notices for the tuesday evening rides, but have not yet 
joined in.  Maybe next year.

We've not been to the Tazza D'oro and will have to put it on our 
"coffeeneuring" list.  Maybe hit it this thursday, or friday.

Rusty C.
Pittsburgh PA

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:53:21 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> A very pleasant group I've ridden with every Tuesday, April through 
> September has now gone dormant for the dark seasons. Several of us have 
> decided to keep up the riding under the cover of darkness. It's become a 
> celebration of generator hubs and LED headlights. We gather at Tazza d'oro 
> coffee and head out for the highs and lows, enjoying the pretty vast 
> infrastructure available off the roadways where possible. 
>
> We wound our way through the Carnegie Mellon University campus, through a 
> dark Panther Hollow, along the jail trail and the Hot Metal Bridge (named 
> for the one-time cargo of the insulated  railcars taking molten iron or 
> steel across the river to secondary mills) to the South Side. We picked a 
> reasonably desolate path up into the heights of Mount Washington and along 
> the "non-view" neighborhoods and then crossed the summit line to Grandview 
> Avenue to enjoy the proceeds of our work. 
>
> Mount Washington had coal seams that were mined horizontally with some 
> opening on the face overlooking town. Chutes delivered it to the riverbank 
> for a simple barge trip to the fires of the steel industry up and down the 
> rivers. "Hell with the lid off" James Parton wrote in 1868. Certainly 
> different now. This place is now about education, medicine, and technology. 
> Other recent insights include the growing value of the waterfront *
> mileage,* which had been avoided as the uncomfortable place where 
> industry was. Redevelopment has been managed to value those massive tracts 
> and many bikeway miles have been established along them. The Great 
> Allegheny Passage starts at the fountain in Point State Park and runs 
> upstream along the city side of Monongahela ("*Mon*") River, crossing the 
> Hot Metal Bridge and continuing to the town of McKeesport where it picks up 
> the Youghiogheny ("*Yock*") River along which it runs into the Allegheny 
> Mountains toward Cumberland, MD then Washington DC via the C&O Canal 
> towpath; 325 miles. Too much for tonight.
>
> We descended Sycamore Street (part of the old Thrift Drug Classic and The 
> Dirty Dozen) 
> to Station Square, crossed the very decorative Smithfield Street Bridge to 
> downtown and the jail trail, and back to the start where several of us 
> retired around the corner for a pleasant post ride refreshment and 
> conversation. 
>
> Nice to keep the positive vibe of the ride group going into dark part of 
> the year. Sure is a glowing plug for lighting, I know it takes little 
> provocation to spill praise for mine. 
>
> Oh yeah, pictures prove... Pittsburgh Night Ride 
> 10/15
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh 
>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

2013-10-16 Thread stevef
How much clearance do you have around those big tires?  I've been thinking 
about setting my Rambly up with fatter tires and no fenders-tempted by the 
new, suppler Pasela descendent Soma is offering.  (it's a 38mm tire)  Got a 
pic of your bike?
Thanks, Steve

On Monday, October 14, 2013 7:12:07 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Took my Ram out yesterday for a club ride. The 37mm Paselas felt great. 
> every time I get on the bike, I am surprised by how comfortable it is and 
> how well it handles. I've had it with 28mm Contis, but always go back to 
> fatter rubber.
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto top rack, Schwalbe Marathon Duremes, Silver brakes, etc..

2013-10-16 Thread bo richardson
sorry direct reply does not work for me
i will take the top rack if i can
i know a young fellow who might want the wheel with generator
should i mention it to him or are you sticking  to local sale on wheels?
thanks
bo

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

2013-10-16 Thread Kieran J
On the Ram, you might be pushing it with the 38mm C-Line, depending on what 
the final actual dimensions are.
There is a nice comfortable amount of clearance between the 33.3mm JBs and 
the brakes, but I'm not sure I'd want to puff out any further.
 
KJ
 

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:31:32 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:

> How much clearance do you have around those big tires?  I've been thinking 
> about setting my Rambly up with fatter tires and no fenders-tempted by the 
> new, suppler Pasela descendent Soma is offering.  (it's a 38mm tire)  Got a 
> pic of your bike?
> Thanks, Steve
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 7:12:07 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: 
>>
>> Took my Ram out yesterday for a club ride. The 37mm Paselas felt great. 
>> every time I get on the bike, I am surprised by how comfortable it is and 
>> how well it handles. I've had it with 28mm Contis, but always go back to 
>> fatter rubber.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Pittsburgh night ride

2013-10-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Andy:  That's awesome to hear... Keep those night rides going!!!  I'd love 
to be in Pittsburgh some Tuesday for one of these rides...maybe work that 
in to my next drive to Cincinnati.  And I can't think of a better guide 
than you (with your historical knowledge).  

When we did the GAP ride last year I had wished we had the time to continue 
all the way to Pittsburgh.  That would certainly be a fun concept... Riding 
into Pittsburgh on the GAP trail, then spending a day/evening in town 
(maybe hooking up with the crew at Bicycle Times)... Pittsburgh has such a 
cool vibe.

Peace,
BB 

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Re: [RBW] Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

2013-10-16 Thread Scott Henry
Here is a shot of some homemade wooden fenders on my Kogswell P.  They
aren't on the bike anymore, but lasted year round for about 4-5 years
before I took them off.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc010-scotthenry0605.html

Scott

Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH

FTM-PTB


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:25 PM, WETH  wrote:

> Having donated the plastic Planet Bike fenders from my Atlantis to my
> wife's new orange Surly LHT, I am searching for a new set.  In reviewing
> the many fender options, I have become intrigued by bamboo and wooden
> fenders.
> If you have wooden fenders on any type of bike do you like them? Why or
> why not? What kind/who made them?
> If you have wooden fenders on an Atlantis, do you have photos?
> A google search only returned three Atlanti with wooden fenders (to my
> hurried/tired eyes):
> Michael and Mel's at cyclofiend.com
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc184-michaelwolfe1006.html
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc519-jamesjohnson0908.html
> And PlainWrapPedaler at Flickr:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/46241869@N08/7523876266/
> Any others out there?  I am curious about how they hold up compared to
> plastic and metal as well as how fenders of different types of wood  look
> on an Atlantis.
> So far, I have discovered Woodys Fenders (
> http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/) and Sykes (
> http://www.sykeswoodfenders.com/sykeswoodfenders/home.html).  Are there
> other manufacturers?
> Many thanks,
> Erl
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

2013-10-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB
It's the "eBay-shark-feeding-frenzy" phenom... when an item sells for more 
than the BIN... Not that this wasn't worth the selling price... it's just 
that someone hedged their bets that it would sell for less, yet ended up 
paying more.  Regardless there's someone now with a big smile on their face 
and a new red Wilbury. Oh damn damn damn damn damn


On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:31:15 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The right two people both wanted it. Lucky seller! 
>
> On 10/16/13, Steve > wrote: 
> > Unfortunately (or fortunately), not I.  Should have bought it at the 
> $2000 
> > BIN price when first listed.  Somewhat surprised it went for such a 
> premium 
> > 
> > over the BIN price. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:29:03 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: 
> > 
> >> Okay, who's the lucky winner? http://www.ebay.com/itm/28118414 
> >> 
> >> On 10/13/13, cyclotourist > wrote: 
> >> > I don't know, that's not much time considering how much work would be 
> >> > involved!!! 
> >> > 
> >> > On 10/12/13, Curtis McKenzie > wrote: 
> >> >> A well directed post. Maybe with a great deal of time, effort and 
> >> expense 
> >> >> such a  bicycle would be some what ready to ride by March 15 2014. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Curtis "Redlands" McKenzie 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013, cyclotourist wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >>> Yes, a very old antique bike, bound to have lots of issues. 
> Probably 
> >> >>> rusted out internally. Jagged exposed metal can give you tetanus, 
> >> >>> which is awful. I'm sure it will need a re-paint as well, never 
> mind 
> >> >>> the original lead-based paint that will cause developmental delays 
> in 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> children.. Very unsafe for you or a loved one to even have in the 
> >> >>> garage. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Yes, move right along, nothing to see here folks... 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> On 10/12/13, Steve  > 
> >> wrote: 
> >> >>> > Should be interesting what it sells for.  However, it is almost a 
> 20 
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > year 
> >> >>> > old bike with a mix of nice (Paul, Phil) and ok (Shimano) 
> components 
> >> >>> > 
> >> , 
> >> >>> and 
> >> >>> > being a mixtie, and a large size to boot, probably limits its 
> appeal 
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > to 
> >> >>> > fans of Rivendell only.  Who know, the market may go crazy and 
> bid 
> >> it 
> >> >>> > up. 
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:57:10 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote: 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> Yeah, I can easily see why that bike is 2K. It has paul 
> centerpull 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> brakes 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> and wheels with phil wood cassette hubs. That stuff aint cheap. 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> My bet is that the bike sells for more than the 2k BIN price. 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:01:25 AM UTC-5, Charlie wrote: 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >>> I agree the bike looks awkward - replace the stem with a dirt 
> drop 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> and 
> >> >>> it 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> would look better.  I suspect the owner was real tall. 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> Grant has said he would build this frame for $3000 since he 
> still 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> has 
> >> >>> >>> lugs.  Add in the components and replacement cost is $5500+. 
>  To 
> >> >>> >>> those 
> >> >>> >>> who 
> >> >>> >>> expressed concerned that I post this and didn't buy it when the 
> >> BIN 
> >> >>> >>> was 
> >> >>> >>> 2000, I say what were you thinking? 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> Charlie 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote: 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not 
> >> show 
> >> >>> up - 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  might have used an incorrect Google ID. 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with 
> good 
> >> >>>  equipment on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have 
> no 
> >> >>>  association 
> >> >>>  with seller. 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  Charlie 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if 
> links 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  are 
> >> >>>  permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find 
> >> >>>  though. 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> > 
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

2013-10-16 Thread Perry
If I wanted this bike at $2k but missed much chance, I'd gladly pay another 
$200-300 over for a second chance. Sometimes there's a discount, sometimes a 
premium, for the things we want. Since the bike is no longer made (except 
special order), I'd pay the premium in this case and not feel (too) badly about 
missing it in the first go-round. 

Whoever got it, enjoy.

• Perry

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[RBW] attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Kelly
So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip ties.   
Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a great 
way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of a 
fender.   
I then went to purchase the tape and found it incredibly expensive and 
decided looking a wires wasn't so bad after all, on ebay found some 3m 
stuff at 7.50 for 9 inches.
Then today messing around I found a place with racers tape in many 
different sizes and was able to get 36 feet for 36 bucks or so.   

Anyway may not be the cheapest may not even work.. i just ordered and will 
see what happens. In the mean time figured I would share the site I 
purchased from

http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html

Later

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

2013-10-16 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
depending what color Ram you have. my orange has a higher rear brake bridge so 
pasela 37's fit fine with 47-57 brake but in front i need a Tektro 559 extra 
long reach to clear the tire

Do THIS before eating carbs (every time)
1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage
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[RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Steve
36 ft of helicopter tape...that's a lot of tape.  
 
Useful for protecting other parts of the bike as well...chain stay 
protector, head tube protector, use it on the top tube to protect against 
the exposed brake cable.  
 
Probably can sell some here as well...
 

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:53:15 AM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:

> So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip ties.   
> Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a great 
> way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of a 
> fender.   
> I then went to purchase the tape and found it incredibly expensive and 
> decided looking a wires wasn't so bad after all, on ebay found some 3m 
> stuff at 7.50 for 9 inches.
> Then today messing around I found a place with racers tape in many 
> different sizes and was able to get 36 feet for 36 bucks or so.   
>
> Anyway may not be the cheapest may not even work.. i just ordered and will 
> see what happens. In the mean time figured I would share the site I 
> purchased from
>
> http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html
>
> Later
>
> Kelly
>

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Re: [RBW] Loving my Atlantis...let me count the ways

2013-10-16 Thread Mike Schiller
I'm just the opposite when mtb's came on the scene in the mid 80's, I 
switched to 90% mountain bikes for almost 2 decades.  But I still prefer 
drop bars. In fact I've been scheming to convert my steel 29er to mountain 
drops. Now with hydro discs for drop bars on the market ( TRP) it may be 
just the right time.  

~mike


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[RBW] FS: Acorn Bags Boxy Rando Bag (Olive), Tubus Reear Rack, Salsa Front Rack

2013-10-16 Thread Curtis Schmitt
http://www.curtisrschmitt.com/HorseCyclesUrbanTourLoaded.jpg *


Acorn Bags Boxy Rando Bag*—I've decided that the "Ranger Tan" color will
look better with my bike's cream-colored powder coat finish than the Olive,
so I'm selling the Olive handlebar bag since I use that the least. I am
holding onto the saddlebag and toolbag for now because I need them, but as
soon as Acorn makes another Tan batch I'm buying those versions and will
sell off the remaining Olive goodies here.

Asking $200 shipped to CONUS


*Tubus Logo Evo*—hard to see in the photo with Brooks panniers mounted to
it but I purchased it new, it only has 100 miles on it. Includes all
mounting hardware. I've decided black racks do not look good on this bike,
so I'm going to do some VO polished racks instead.

Asking $100 shipped to CONUS


*Salsa Down Under Front Rack*—this is the split style rack. I didn't even
mount it, brand new (so therefore it's not shown in photo). I'm going with
a larger silver front rack instead.

Asking $50 shipped to CONUS


*Buy everything for $300 shipped. *

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Re: [RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I also used racer's tape to attach my wire from my headlight to the
taillight.   I like the idea of using it to protect the head tube from
cable rub and chainstay nicks too.

Toshi in Oakland

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Steve  wrote:
> 36 ft of helicopter tape...that's a lot of tape.
>
> Useful for protecting other parts of the bike as well...chain stay
> protector, head tube protector, use it on the top tube to protect against
> the exposed brake cable.
>
> Probably can sell some here as well...
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:53:15 AM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip ties.
>> Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a great
>> way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of a
>> fender.
>> I then went to purchase the tape and found it incredibly expensive and
>> decided looking a wires wasn't so bad after all, on ebay found some 3m stuff
>> at 7.50 for 9 inches.
>> Then today messing around I found a place with racers tape in many
>> different sizes and was able to get 36 feet for 36 bucks or so.
>>
>> Anyway may not be the cheapest may not even work.. i just ordered and will
>> see what happens. In the mean time figured I would share the site I
>> purchased from
>>
>> http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html
>>
>> Later
>>
>> Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Chris
The racers tape I bought online was a disappointment. It would not stick to 
the frame. I'm not sure if I bought the wrong stuff, a bad batch, or I need 
to clean and prep the frame tubes better prior to application. If anyone 
has any advice, I'd love to hear it. Dynamo wires bug me!

Chris

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:34:15 AM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I also used racer's tape to attach my wire from my headlight to the 
> taillight.   I like the idea of using it to protect the head tube from 
> cable rub and chainstay nicks too. 
>
> Toshi in Oakland 
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Steve > 
> wrote: 
> > 36 ft of helicopter tape...that's a lot of tape. 
> > 
> > Useful for protecting other parts of the bike as well...chain stay 
> > protector, head tube protector, use it on the top tube to protect 
> against 
> > the exposed brake cable. 
> > 
> > Probably can sell some here as well... 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:53:15 AM UTC-4, Kelly wrote: 
> >> 
> >> So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip ties. 
> >> Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a 
> great 
> >> way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of 
> a 
> >> fender. 
> >> I then went to purchase the tape and found it incredibly expensive and 
> >> decided looking a wires wasn't so bad after all, on ebay found some 3m 
> stuff 
> >> at 7.50 for 9 inches. 
> >> Then today messing around I found a place with racers tape in many 
> >> different sizes and was able to get 36 feet for 36 bucks or so. 
> >> 
> >> Anyway may not be the cheapest may not even work.. i just ordered and 
> will 
> >> see what happens. In the mean time figured I would share the site I 
> >> purchased from 
> >> 
> >> http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html 
> >> 
> >> Later 
> >> 
> >> Kelly 
>

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[RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Lynne Fitz
I use electrical tape.  It is available in colors other than black.  I have 
a roll of yellow somewhere; need to find it :-)  I run the wires down the 
inside edge of the fork blade.

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>
> So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip ties.   
> Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a great 
> way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of a 
> fender.   
> I then went to purchase the tape and found it incredibly expensive and 
> decided looking a wires wasn't so bad after all, on ebay found some 3m 
> stuff at 7.50 for 9 inches.
> Then today messing around I found a place with racers tape in many 
> different sizes and was able to get 36 feet for 36 bucks or so.   
>
> Anyway may not be the cheapest may not even work.. i just ordered and will 
> see what happens. In the mean time figured I would share the site I 
> purchased from
>
> http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html
>
> Later
>
> Kelly
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Here's a nice, clean wiring job by somervillebikes:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7516215@N03/9401478506/

He used shrink tubing (pre-shrunk before attaching) and glued pieces to the 
fork as guides for the wire. His photostream shows how he guided the wire 
under the fender using aluminum tube guides. 

He's done collaborative projects with JP Weigle-- attention to detail, no 
doubt.



On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:34:31 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I've used the spiral wire wrap that's sold at Radio Shack and similar 
> places to hold wires onto the brake cable housing. This works best when you 
> use full cable housing, but it could also work on a bike with cable stops. 
> Not the most elegant solution, but it gets the job done. Spiral wire wrap 
> is available in colors so you can coordinate with the frame or cable 
> housing:
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Oct 16, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Chris > 
> wrote:
>
> The racers tape I bought online was a disappointment. It would not stick 
> to the frame. I'm not sure if I bought the wrong stuff, a bad batch, or I 
> need to clean and prep the frame tubes better prior to application. If 
> anyone has any advice, I'd love to hear it. Dynamo wires bug me!
>
> Chris
>
> On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:34:15 AM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> I also used racer's tape to attach my wire from my headlight to the 
>> taillight.   I like the idea of using it to protect the head tube from 
>> cable rub and chainstay nicks too. 
>>
>> Toshi in Oakland 
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Steve  wrote: 
>> > 36 ft of helicopter tape...that's a lot of tape. 
>> > 
>> > Useful for protecting other parts of the bike as well...chain stay 
>> > protector, head tube protector, use it on the top tube to protect 
>> against 
>> > the exposed brake cable. 
>> > 
>> > Probably can sell some here as well... 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:53:15 AM UTC-4, Kelly wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip 
>> ties. 
>> >> Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a 
>> great 
>> >> way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of 
>> a 
>> >> fender. 
>> >> I then went to purchase the tape and found it incredibly expensive and 
>> >> decided looking a wires wasn't so bad after all, on ebay found some 3m 
>> stuff 
>> >> at 7.50 for 9 inches. 
>> >> Then today messing around I found a place with racers tape in many 
>> >> different sizes and was able to get 36 feet for 36 bucks or so. 
>> >> 
>> >> Anyway may not be the cheapest may not even work.. i just ordered and 
>> will 
>> >> see what happens. In the mean time figured I would share the site I 
>> >> purchased from 
>> >> 
>> >> http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html 
>> >> 
>> >> Later 
>> >> 
>> >> Kelly 
>>
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

2013-10-16 Thread Bill Lindsay
That Wilbury was a steal at $2000.  Still a terrific deal at $2300.  

Similarly, there is a 71cm Hilsen on ebay right now that would cost well 
over $5000 to duplicate.  BIN for just under $3k.  It's a screaming deal, 
but I doubt we'll see somebody snap it up on BIN.  

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:43:03 AM UTC-7, Perry wrote:
>
> If I wanted this bike at $2k but missed much chance, I'd gladly pay 
> another $200-300 over for a second chance. Sometimes there's a discount, 
> sometimes a premium, for the things we want. Since the bike is no longer 
> made (except special order), I'd pay the premium in this case and not feel 
> (too) badly about missing it in the first go-round. 
>
> Whoever got it, enjoy. 
>
> • Perry 
>

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Re: [RBW] Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

2013-10-16 Thread Curtis McKenzie
The weather on Mt. Laguna looks to be perfect. 59 and 45 with clear skies.

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Hugh, On the diet I'm on (Perfect Health Diet, www.perfecthealthdiet.com),
> I eat 1-1.5 cups of "safe starches" a day (white rice, yams, sweet
> potatoes, white potatoes), but all other grains are anti-nutrients. I
> initially tried very low carb, eating none except for fruits and veggies,
> but found I bonked with prolonged aerobic activity. This summer I have done
> a 48 hour and 75 hour fast (no food intake at all), with 5-6 hours of
> aerobic activity a day while camping -- all without bonking. I had food
> with me but simply did not feel hungry.
>
> Yes, wheat has changed significantly, especially in the last 2000 years.
> Like you, we use honey, very sparingly. Yes, eating this way eliminates
> processed foods entirely, which may seem daunting or burdensome, but we've
> found it amazingly freeing. We've also found that any animal products from
> animals eating grain have a similar effect, so only eat 100% grass fed or
> wild caught meat, fish, and dairy. No everyone is so sensitive, and can
> handle eggs and bacon and other things that can't be found without grain
> supplement. By calories, my diet is 70-80% fat, 15-20% protein, 10-15%
> carbs. I have a lot more brain clarity, cushion, and energy than previously.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 6:28:24 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey Patrick,
>>
>> I like the way you summarized that. Is that all grains? Is rice in that
>> group? I have been off wheat too. My limited knowledge of wheat is that
>> what we eat now has been genetically altered as to be without any benefit
>> to us, where as the grains our ancestors ate (particularly wheat) were
>> better for the body in their natural form.
>>
>> What I find most interesting is that though my riding has been down (
>> number of days) back pain and obligations my weight has dropped by 1/2 a
>> pound. Most amazing 1.) Most everything packaged has sugar. 2.) How easy
>> it's been to stay off refined sugar, I do indulge in raw honey in my tea.
>> I've been advised that raw honey is okay.
>>
>> Thanks for the thumbs up on this S240 as I've wanted to do one in this
>> area for a while low population factor and all it can't hardly compete with
>> you back yard, fortunately it's not a competition as the late Seth Vidal
>> said go ride! We work with what we have :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>> Once the poison content and addictive nature of sugar is understood
>> what's insane is to keep using sugar. The next step toward sanity is
>> understanding grains are prepubescent sugar with a multitude of
>> anti-nutrients -- natural defenses of the plant, intentionally selected in
>> over the last 10,000 years, to fight off pests. Natural pesticides are even
>> more poison for our bodies to contend with, with little to no nutritional
>> benefit, and even more detriment when the nature of them to bind with
>> vitamins and minerals so our body can't access them is understood. Sounds
>> to me like you are on the road to even more sanity, Hugh. Grin.
>>
>> Have a wonderful group S24O! Sounds like a fantastic time.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 6:05:23 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> I know this sounds insane but I'm on a refined sugar fast, now in my
>> third week so no full pies coming home but a slice? Definitely a brew or
>> two or...
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>> The Julian Baking Co. is in the same spot as Dudley's.  Bring home some
>> pie!
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:09:06 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Sorry you can't make it, but marital responsibilities trump everything!
>> Thanks for the recommendation, I've been to Dudley's on many occasions and
>> always enjoy their baked goods. We'll plan a day ride soon like Curtis's
>> Bay ride out to Coronado and ferry back ramble soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Tom Virgil  wrote:
>>
>>  Alas, I have to deal with the ball and chain Friday and into the
>> weekend.
>>
>> I have done most all of this in various separate segments and I know you
>> guys are in for a fantastic time.
>>
>> My one additional recommendation would be that anyone coming up 78 from
>> Escondido to Julian carbo load at Dudley's Bakery in Santa Ysabel.  It is
>> at the junction of 78 and 79 before you get to Julian.  October specials
>> are German Black and Jalepeno Cheddar breads.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31:56 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey SoCal Riv riders,
>>
>> I know this is extremely shot notice...have been reluctant to make a post
>> as my lower back (Dirt drop & upright bars in my horizon) hasn't been
>> cooperating, two weeks ago I h

[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto top rack, Schwalbe Marathon Duremes, Silver brakes, etc..

2013-10-16 Thread gordo
Dynamo wheel and wheelset have been claimed.  Top rack, Duremes and Silver 
brakes remain.

On Monday, October 14, 2013 10:11:20 AM UTC-7, gordo wrote:
>
> Another round of cleaning and minimizing.  All prices include shipping in 
> the continental U.S.
>
> 1) Nitto R-14 top rack.  Used but in very good shape.  Comes with mounting 
> bolts (p-clamps have disappeared). - $80
>
> 2) Schwalbe Marathon Dureme 700 x50.  Brand new in box.  I have been 
> saving a few sets of these but it is time to let them go.  $120 for a set 
> of 2 tires.
>
> 3) Rivendell Silver sidepull brakes.  For bikes with recessed mounting. 
>  Pads are in pretty good shape. - $50
>
> For sale locally in the SF Bay Area:
>
> 1) Front wheel: LX Dynamo hub laced to a 700c Mavic A319 32-hole rim. 
>  Only a few hundred miles on it.  Includes an Avenir front dynamo light. 
>  $125
>
> 2) Wheelset: 36-hole XT hubs laced to 700c Mavic A119 rims.  Wheels come 
> with rimtape, tubes, Pasaela 700x37 tires, and skewers attached.  $160
>

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Re: [RBW] Loving my Atlantis...let me count the ways

2013-10-16 Thread Tom Matchak
I have spent the past couple of seasons searching for an alternative to drop 
bars. I started with the classics (Albas and Moustache) but found these to be 
too wide or too convoluted. After lots of experimenting, I finally settled on 
classic Porteur bars, set up Moustache-style.

http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/34156114@N05/9146262436/

I am using both the Grand Bois Elysees bar and the Velo Orange Porteur bar, 
both in the "flipped" orientation. I have the straight section angled down 
about 10 deg, and the brake hoods are sloped down to provide the lever 
location/sweep that feels natural for my hands. There are some very subtle 
differences between these bars, and I like the curve on the VO model just a tad 
more, but I am comfortable with either one.

Porteur-style bars like these typically are set up with reverse brake levers or 
MTB levers and some sort of a thumb shifter, all of which limits the available 
hand positions. But the two models mentioned here take normal road bike brake 
levers and bar-end shifters, leaving the bar's sweep available for a range of 
hand positions. I also find that the forward position of the brake levers feels 
more secure and comfortable on a downhill.

Cheers,
Tom Matchak
Glen, NH

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[RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Curtis
Nice bike for the tall folks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125

Ride Safe,

Curtis

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: An absurd amount of Riv stuff in SF Bay Area

2013-10-16 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Jose,

Thank you for the heads up.  I am sure you were over whelmed with
interested parties.

Ride Safe,

Curtis


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:11 PM, jose  wrote:

> Sorry about the mess.  A bit chaotic with the large response.  I'm giving
> priority in dealing with people who are interested in the complete bikes
> and want the bags to go with it.  Apologies if I haven't responded to you
> yet.
>
> I try to keep CL updated, but sometimes there is an update lag on their
> index.  Kevens bag, honey b17, moustache, dirt drop, and axe are gone. Most
> of the stuff left I am in talks with a local about.  Except for the Sunrace
> thumbshifters. Nobody seems to care about those.
>
> I've removed the bags from CL for now since those will probably go with
> the bikes.
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:22:33 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> +1 on the Keven's bag.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:53:43 AM UTC-4, Perry wrote:
>>>
>>> Jose, I never heard back from you on the large sackville and h-bar tape.
>>> Should I assume you don't want to ship?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Perry
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Catalogue

2013-10-16 Thread ayjaydee
seems to me i remember that. hope i made the 5000

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:07:06 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> IIRC if you were on the Riv email list then there was a sign up for 
> something like the first 5000 then afterwards they would be available for 
> purchase. I may be wrong about the total number, 5000 seems sort of high.
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:52 AM, ayjaydee 
> > wrote:
>
>> who gets them? 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:57:56 AM UTC-7, oli c wrote:
>>>
>>> Mr Pondero,
>>> here is a peek at the centerfold: http://www.flickr.**
>>> com/photos/olipop/10232780843/
>>> One copy is being traveled to your mailbox as this is being typed.
>>>
>>> oli in SF
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Loving my Atlantis...let me count the ways

2013-10-16 Thread Don Compton
With my bad back ( 61 yrs young ), I have been raising my bars and tilting 
the my saddle more nose up on my Roadeo. The combination of both moves 
seems to make the bike feel really good ( handling wise ), while taking a 
lot of stress off my lower back and my hands. Thank God for quill stems.

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:57:52 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> drop bars offer so many hand positions, I can't see giving that up.  I can 
> just see riding into a headwind with upright bars and suffering.
>
> Maybe try a shorter stem, so you are a little more upright?
>
> ~mike
>
>
>>

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[RBW] 1992 XO-3

2013-10-16 Thread Conway Bennett
I'm gonna sell my beloved but redundant 1992 Bridgestone XO-3 but I want it go 
to a good home.  Right now it is set up with an origin 8 quill stem, soma 
m'stache bars with sram mtb levers and v-brakes, origin 8 gum/cork grips and VO 
thumb shifters.  I CAN  make it original again down to the tires less the 
original levers and shifters; this means original arc bars!  And, COULD include 
some old cage pedals with khaki/argyIe power grips.  I thinks it's a 57.  I'm 
5'll" and it fits great.  Not quite as Riv Big as my 56 Sam.  Also, it's in 
Chicago but purchased in Seattle via Prometheus in D.C.  I could pack it 
professionallishly and you pay shipping.  Great starter for a cash poor Riv fan.

Fair winds,

the Captain

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

2013-10-16 Thread Don Compton
Wow, that's a nice build. No shortcuts. If I didn't have my Roadeo( a 59cm 
), I would jump on that bike. I had a 60 cm Ram and it was slightly a 
better fit for me. But, for many reasons, I really like my Roadeo. In 
general, Rivs have a certain handling characteristic that fits me. I am a 
believer.
Don

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:43:10 AM UTC-7, Saturday Mark wrote:
>
> Sean,
> Saturday Cycles has a very nice build Rambouillet in 60cm. Original full 
> build cost was about 4kselling complete for 2400
>   Frameset Riv Ramouillet  Brake Levers SRAM  Shifters Silver DT  Crank 
> Sugino 
> compact2  Bottom Bracket SKF  Brakes Pauls Center  Front Derailleur IRD   
> Rear 
> Derailleur Ultegra  Cassette Shimano HG80  Chain KMC 9x  Stem Nitto   
> Handlebars Nitto Noodle  Tape green  Headset Ultegra  Wheels: 
>  .--.Front Hub SON  .--.Rear Hub Phil Wood  .--.Spokes 
>  .--.Rims, 36H Synergy  Saddle Brooks B17 CS Green  Seatpost Nitto Crystal  
> Tires Schwalbe Durano   Pedals 
>  Tubes 
>  Front Rack Nitto Marks  Cage 
>  Lamp  Edeluxe  Decalleur 
>  Bag Sackville sm 
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 5:00:12 PM UTC-6, SeanMac wrote:
>>
>> Again, I am very grateful for all of your comments and suggestions.  
>> Temptation (as in the 58 cm blue Rambouillet frame now available on ebay - 
>> the one that I hear whispering my name) is a terrible thing.  The consensus 
>> seems to be that I would be better off on a 60 cm bike (or a 59, I assume, 
>> on a AHH).  
>>
>> Just for the sake of asking, what would I notice if I decided to go after 
>> the 58 cm frame now on ebay.  How would being on a frame that is a bit too 
>> small affect the way that I feel on the bike.  Likewise, what improvement 
>> in feel would I gain by moving up to the 60 (or 59 AHH)?
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:09 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> No opinion on the San Marcos, but some insight on the Ram - though it 
 seems others have already confirmed this:  60 cm seems just right for you. 
  

>>>  
>>>
 I am between 6'-1" and 6'-2", but have a similar (87cm) PBH to you, 
 with a long torso.   The stand-over with the stock 28mm rolly polly/ruffy 
 tuffy tires is just perfect for me - basically "touches flesh" when flat 
 footed but  no fear of banging into it whatsoever, in any kind of riding 
 I'd ever do on this type of bike.  And you might remember from the 
 original 
 Riv flyer/catalog that they sized these with shorter than normal top 
 tubes, 
 specifically to encourage people to buy the larger of two workable sizes.  
  
 On that note, I do wish mind had a longer top tube to work with my odd 
 proportions, but it's still the most comfortable and smoothest riding bike 
 I've ever had (including two other rivs), and wouldn't sell it for 
 anything.  I had some big bags on mine, before I found my all rounder, 
 and used it more heavily loaded than it was intended for too, with no 
 complaints.

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[RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Minh
Hmm maybe i'm asking for trouble but i used duct tape (actual silver tape 
used to tape ducts together, rated for heat and water-proofness), and so 
far it's been ok, using it inside my fenders as well.  will see how it held 
up in a few weeks when i do the yearly checkup.  

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:53:15 AM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>
> So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip ties.   
> Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a great 
> way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of a 
> fender.   
> I then went to purchase the tape and found it incredibly expensive and 
> decided looking a wires wasn't so bad after all, on ebay found some 3m 
> stuff at 7.50 for 9 inches.
> Then today messing around I found a place with racers tape in many 
> different sizes and was able to get 36 feet for 36 bucks or so.   
>
> Anyway may not be the cheapest may not even work.. i just ordered and will 
> see what happens. In the mean time figured I would share the site I 
> purchased from
>
> http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html
>
> Later
>
> Kelly
>

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Re: [RBW] 1992 XO-3

2013-10-16 Thread Peter Morgano
Pictures and price are customary.
On Oct 16, 2013 2:25 PM, "Conway Bennett" 
wrote:

> I'm gonna sell my beloved but redundant 1992 Bridgestone XO-3 but I want
> it go to a good home.  Right now it is set up with an origin 8 quill stem,
> soma m'stache bars with sram mtb levers and v-brakes, origin 8 gum/cork
> grips and VO thumb shifters.  I CAN  make it original again down to the
> tires less the original levers and shifters; this means original arc bars!
>  And, COULD include some old cage pedals with khaki/argyIe power grips.  I
> thinks it's a 57.  I'm 5'll" and it fits great.  Not quite as Riv Big as my
> 56 Sam.  Also, it's in Chicago but purchased in Seattle via Prometheus in
> D.C.  I could pack it professionallishly and you pay shipping.  Great
> starter for a cash poor Riv fan.
>
> Fair winds,
>
> the Captain
>
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[RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Kieran J
I 've also been thinking about this off and on. I've used black electrical 
tape down the underside of the down tube (works great), and clear packing 
tape along the underside of the fender leading to the dynamo tailight 
located there (works terribly poorly, of course; need something better but 
haven't bothered to try the helicopter tape/100 MPH tape that I've read 
about).
 
With winter around the corner, I should probably get on a solution for the 
fender section of the wire run..
 
KJ
 

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:31:01 PM UTC-4, Minh wrote:

> Hmm maybe i'm asking for trouble but i used duct tape (actual silver tape 
> used to tape ducts together, rated for heat and water-proofness), and so 
> far it's been ok, using it inside my fenders as well.  will see how it held 
> up in a few weeks when i do the yearly checkup.  
>
> On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:53:15 AM UTC-4, Kelly wrote: 
>>
>> So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip ties.   
>> Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a great 
>> way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of a 
>> fender.
>> I then went to purchase the tape and found it incredibly expensive and 
>> decided looking a wires wasn't so bad after all, on ebay found some 3m 
>> stuff at 7.50 for 9 inches.
>> Then today messing around I found a place with racers tape in many 
>> different sizes and was able to get 36 feet for 36 bucks or so.   
>>
>> Anyway may not be the cheapest may not even work.. i just ordered and 
>> will see what happens. In the mean time figured I would share the site I 
>> purchased from
>>
>> http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html
>>
>> Later
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Romulus In Sacramento?

2013-10-16 Thread Coconutbill
Perhaps RBW would put a blurb in the blug?

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[RBW] Re: Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

2013-10-16 Thread Coconutbill
Amtrak ticket booked. commitments miraclulous fizzled away on Friday. 
Eagerly looking forward  
-Evan

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[RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Nick Worthington
I use aluminum foil HVAC tape for routing cable under the fenders.  Easily 
found at hardware stores.  I don't have pictures, but here's manufacturer's 
info.http://www.3m.com/product/information/Aluminum-Foil-Tape.html 

Nick

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>
> So my the wiring runs I've done on my bikes have all been via zip ties.   
> Then on here someone mentioned helicopter tape which sounded like a great 
> way to do it.  Especially if I could run a wire along the underside of a 
> fender.   
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

2013-10-16 Thread Sean McAtee
Don, if you have a moment, I would love to learn more about the differences
in handling characteristics that you perceive between your Ram and your
Rodeo.

PS:  The Ram that Saturday Cycles has available sounds like an awesome
bike.  Unfortunately, it is more $ than I am willing to spend right now
(just ask my wife!).

Sean


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Wow, that's a nice build. No shortcuts. If I didn't have my Roadeo( a 59cm
> ), I would jump on that bike. I had a 60 cm Ram and it was slightly a
> better fit for me. But, for many reasons, I really like my Roadeo. In
> general, Rivs have a certain handling characteristic that fits me. I am a
> believer.
> Don
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:43:10 AM UTC-7, Saturday Mark wrote:
>>
>> Sean,
>> Saturday Cycles has a very nice build Rambouillet in 60cm. Original full
>> build cost was about 4kselling complete for 2400
>>   Frameset Riv Ramouillet  Brake Levers SRAM  Shifters Silver DT  Crank 
>> Sugino
>> compact2  Bottom Bracket SKF  Brakes Pauls Center  Front Derailleur IRD   
>> Rear
>> Derailleur Ultegra  Cassette Shimano HG80  Chain KMC 9x  Stem Nitto
>> Handlebars Nitto Noodle  Tape green  Headset Ultegra  Wheels:
>>  .--.Front Hub SON  .--.Rear Hub Phil Wood  .--.Spokes
>>  .--.Rims, 36H Synergy  Saddle Brooks B17 CS Green  Seatpost Nitto
>> Crystal  Tires Schwalbe Durano   Pedals
>>  Tubes
>>  Front Rack Nitto Marks  Cage
>>  Lamp  Edeluxe  Decalleur
>>  Bag Sackville sm
>> On Monday, October 14, 2013 5:00:12 PM UTC-6, SeanMac wrote:
>>>
>>> Again, I am very grateful for all of your comments and suggestions.
>>> Temptation (as in the 58 cm blue Rambouillet frame now available on ebay -
>>> the one that I hear whispering my name) is a terrible thing.  The consensus
>>> seems to be that I would be better off on a 60 cm bike (or a 59, I assume,
>>> on a AHH).
>>>
>>> Just for the sake of asking, what would I notice if I decided to go
>>> after the 58 cm frame now on ebay.  How would being on a frame that is a
>>> bit too small affect the way that I feel on the bike.  Likewise, what
>>> improvement in feel would I gain by moving up to the 60 (or 59 AHH)?
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:09 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 No opinion on the San Marcos, but some insight on the Ram - though it
> seems others have already confirmed this:  60 cm seems just right for you.
>


> I am between 6'-1" and 6'-2", but have a similar (87cm) PBH to you,
> with a long torso.   The stand-over with the stock 28mm rolly polly/ruffy
> tuffy tires is just perfect for me - basically "touches flesh" when flat
> footed but  no fear of banging into it whatsoever, in any kind of riding
> I'd ever do on this type of bike.  And you might remember from the 
> original
> Riv flyer/catalog that they sized these with shorter than normal top 
> tubes,
> specifically to encourage people to buy the larger of two workable sizes.
> On that note, I do wish mind had a longer top tube to work with my odd
> proportions, but it's still the most comfortable and smoothest riding bike
> I've ever had (including two other rivs), and wouldn't sell it for
> anything.  I had some big bags on mine, before I found my all rounder,
> and used it more heavily loaded than it was intended for too, with no
> complaints.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PDX Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow

2013-10-16 Thread Bill Lindsay
I started my 35 mile commute from El Cerrito to South Hayward in the dark 
this morning and thought of you all.  In fact, I got down my mini stove and 
thought about packing it for a coffee break mid ride.  I didn't follow 
through and do it, but perhaps next time.  I try to do that ride once a 
week.  

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:09:32 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Yes, that's exactly where it happens.
>
> http://www.soapboxracer.com/
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Curtis McKenzie 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Wonder pictures.  How serene.  Is this where they hold the crazy down 
>> hill race?  A few years ago I was in town and attended a wacky race of 
>> gravity powered vehicles.
>>
>> Sadly, I was at work during this time. (in San Diego of course)
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
>> <54c...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for motivating me out of bed a little earlier than I might 
>>> otherwise have gotten up. Felt good to get 5 miles and a couple hundred 
>>> feet climbing in before sunrise... then I got to ride home.
>>>
>>> Pics 
>>>
>>> --Smitty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

2013-10-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Please add me to the "want to know" list. Others' have responded to this
question before, to the tune of, "The Roadeo handles quicker" but I won't
mind hearing it all again.

I love my Ram, but I've noticed that it is more leisurely in handling than
my customs -- ideal, for me, since it makes the Ram a better (rear --
haven't tried front) load carrier than they.

And what geometrical, tubing, or other differences between the two models
cause a difference in handling?

IF I ever do touring, it will be on the Ram -- unless it is dirt road
touring, in which case I'll choose the Fargo.


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:

> Don, if you have a moment, I would love to learn more about the
> differences in handling characteristics that you perceive between your Ram
> and your Rodeo.
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[RBW] Re: 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Jim
That is a sweet build.  I have to tell you, though, that I ride that frame, 
and it would be  looong way down to those shifters.   I wonder if the 
seller is having standover issues as well, I have barely enough room over 
the top tube, but run about double that amount of seat post ( I do have 
38mm tires, vs. the 32mm on that bike.
 
Jim in Boulder
 

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:36:29 PM UTC-6, Curtis wrote:

> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
>
> Ride Safe,
>
> Curtis
>
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-16 Thread Bill Lindsay
I particularly like the super integrated result when your frame builder 
uses Paul-specific posts, so there is one fewer layer of tolerance between 
bushing sleeves.  That may very well be the direction I go, eventually

On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:10:40 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> No experience with bolt on center pulls.  If you ever go custom, I highly 
> recommend considering braze on center pulls.  I've had bikes with braze on 
> Mafac Raids and Paul Racers and currently have a bike with Paul Racer Ms. 
>  All three stopped with alacrity, had wide range modulation, and were easy 
> to maintain.  
>
> Would not say braze on center pulls are better than dual pivot side pulls 
> or mini-vees, both of which I've found to do an excellent job.  Braze on 
> center pulls do have a very integrated appearance and serve well.
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:18:04 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Small update.  I ended up with the wrong size rear funky monkey.  "Of 
>> course it's 28.6mm, just like the front derailer clamp!"  Nope.  Externally 
>> butted Seat Tube, means I needed 30.0mm.  Bummer.  
>>
>> Anyway I did get the front set up.  I didn't ride around much with only a 
>> front brake, but it seems pretty good.  I love the clearance.  I am easily 
>> able to QR the brake to get the wheel out.  Also, I now have a front rack. 
>>  All good points.  
>>
>> BUT..I hate how the arms tilt inward from the pivots.  The brake pads 
>> cannot hit flush on the brake track.  BOO!  This means I need a wider rim. 
>>  I have 19mm wide Mavic Open Pros now, but things would be a lot more 
>> "squared-up" with a 23 or 24mm rim.  The way I prefer wide tires, this 
>> needed to happen anyway.  Time to consider the Velocity A23 in 700c or the 
>> Pacenti SL23 in 700c.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:55:29 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the replies.  I think I'm with all of you:  "I've used all 
>>> kinds and they all work fine.  None are dramatically better or worse".  At 
>>> least for everything but centerpulls.  I've never done a nice centerpull 
>>> setup.  I understand being forced into using cheapie centerpulls for 
>>> various reasons.  What I was curiously looking for was something more 
>>> specific.  For example, I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Silver 
>>> Sidepulls, and I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Paul Racer centerpulls. 
>>>  I'd love to hear somebody say "I took off the Silver Sidepulls and 
>>> installed Paul Racers and the result was ".  Or, I've seen many Roadeos 
>>> with Tektro 539s, and a few with Paul Racer M.  I wanted to see if anybody 
>>> specifically swapped from dual pivot to a quality centerpull and thought it 
>>> changed anything.  That's what I'm doing, and I'll certainly share what my 
>>> observations are.  
>>>
>>> Anyway, I did it partially out of curiosity about centerpulls.  I also 
>>> did it because I wanted a cleanly installed small front rack.  I hated 
>>> running P-clamps with a Marks rack on this bike.  I also did it because I 
>>> think it will open up the fender area.  I also did it because I was/am 
>>> inspired by Sumehra's custom mixte with braze on centerpull brakes.  If I 
>>> love centerpulls, then braze on centerpulls on a custom might make it onto 
>>> my bucket list.  
>>>
>>> 1.  If braking is a wash, and I gain the use of a proper handlebar bag, 
>>> and improve fender clearance, that's a big win
>>> 2.  If braking performance is better, and the rack breaks under my 
>>> handlebar bag, and fender clearance is worse, then I won't know what to do
>>> 3.  If braking performance is worse, and the rack breaks, then I'll 
>>> whine like a baby
>>>
>>> I'm investing a lot in making this setup really as nice as I can.  Paul 
>>> Funky Monkey hangers front and rear are rock solid.  These $170 Gran Compe 
>>> brakes are beefy CNC, not unlike Pauls.  The pads come with salmon inserts 
>>> and accept nice koolstop replacement inserts.  Good cables and housing, 
>>> nice rims.  Everything should work great.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:23:31 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:


 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:48:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention 
> cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse, 
> than any of the others. 
>

 I'll echo Patrick's response. I've used centerpulls for specific 
 situations (like needing cheap longer reach for a 650b conversion, or 
 needing a nutted front brake) but they aren't any better at stopping than 
 a 
 good single or dual pivot sidepull. I've used various Weinman, Mafac, and 
 DiaCompe, and they all seem about the same for stopping power.

 jim m
 wc ca 

>>>

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[RBW] Pittsburgh night ride

2013-10-16 Thread meade anderson
Nice ride report.

 

The local bike club has a weekly "dinner" ride on Wednesday usually which is
pretty much year round barring heavy rain, snow, etc.in which everybody runs
lights, blinkies, etc.and there's a few of us that do our own thing with
evening after work/after dark rides with options stops on the return at
local breweries, etc.

 

Fun times.

 

Meade Anderson

 

 

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

2013-10-16 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Steve: The bike was always spec'd to carry 37s max. Here's a picture with
Pasela 37s. (Those are now replaced by a tan skinwall set in the same size,
and tan bar tape.)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9535930@N07/4892602448/in/set-72157612148124190


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:31 AM, stevef  wrote:

> How much clearance do you have around those big tires?  I've been thinking
> about setting my Rambly up with fatter tires and no fenders-tempted by the
> new, suppler Pasela descendent Soma is offering.  (it's a 38mm tire)  Got a
> pic of your bike?
> Thanks, Steve
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 7:12:07 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Took my Ram out yesterday for a club ride. The 37mm Paselas felt great.
>> every time I get on the bike, I am surprised by how comfortable it is and
>> how well it handles. I've had it with 28mm Contis, but always go back to
>> fatter rubber.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Catalogue

2013-10-16 Thread cyclotourist
The Righteous Five Thousand.

On 10/15/13, ayjaydee  wrote:
> seems to me i remember that. hope i made the 5000
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:07:06 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> IIRC if you were on the Riv email list then there was a sign up for
>> something like the first 5000 then afterwards they would be available for
>>
>> purchase. I may be wrong about the total number, 5000 seems sort of high.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:52 AM, ayjaydee > 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> who gets them?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:57:56 AM UTC-7, oli c wrote:

 Mr Pondero,
 here is a peek at the centerfold: http://www.flickr.**
 com/photos/olipop/10232780843/
 One copy is being traveled to your mailbox as this is being typed.

 oli in SF

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[RBW] Re: attaching wires from the dyno to the bike frame.

2013-10-16 Thread Michael

>
> Hope they come out with wireless, hub powered lights one day.
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[RBW] Ortlieb Packer Pluses have been claimed

2013-10-16 Thread Patrick Moore
I was fortunate to find someone to swap me for a red (!) pair of Rollers,
so all is well.

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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Eric Daume
I actually think the double top tube looks OK on that big frame.

Eric "but not for me" Daume
Dublin, OH


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Curtis  wrote:

> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
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Re: [RBW] Pittsburgh night ride

2013-10-16 Thread Robert Barr
Andy - very nice. Looks like a beautiful night.


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:53 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

> A very pleasant group I've ridden with every Tuesday, April through
> September has now gone dormant for the dark seasons. Several of us have
> decided to keep up the riding under the cover of darkness. It's become a
> celebration of generator hubs and LED headlights. We gather at Tazza d'oro
> coffee and head out for the highs and lows, enjoying the pretty vast
> infrastructure available off the roadways where possible.
>
> We wound our way through the Carnegie Mellon University campus, through a
> dark Panther Hollow, along the jail trail and the Hot Metal Bridge (named
> for the one-time cargo of the insulated  railcars taking molten iron or
> steel across the river to secondary mills) to the South Side. We picked a
> reasonably desolate path up into the heights of Mount Washington and along
> the "non-view" neighborhoods and then crossed the summit line to Grandview
> Avenue to enjoy the proceeds of our work.
>
> Mount Washington had coal seams that were mined horizontally with some
> opening on the face overlooking town. Chutes delivered it to the riverbank
> for a simple barge trip to the fires of the steel industry up and down the
> rivers. "Hell with the lid off" James Parton wrote in 1868. Certainly
> different now. This place is now about education, medicine, and technology.
> Other recent insights include the growing value of the waterfront *
> mileage,* which had been avoided as the uncomfortable place where
> industry was. Redevelopment has been managed to value those massive tracts
> and many bikeway miles have been established along them. The Great
> Allegheny Passage starts at the fountain in Point State Park and runs
> upstream along the city side of Monongahela ("*Mon*") River, crossing the
> Hot Metal Bridge and continuing to the town of McKeesport where it picks up
> the Youghiogheny ("*Yock*") River along which it runs into the Allegheny
> Mountains toward Cumberland, MD then Washington DC via the C&O Canal
> towpath; 325 miles. Too much for tonight.
>
> We descended Sycamore Street (part of the old Thrift Drug Classic and The
> Dirty Dozen)
> to Station Square, crossed the very decorative Smithfield Street Bridge to
> downtown and the jail trail, and back to the start where several of us
> retired around the corner for a pleasant post ride refreshment and
> conversation.
>
> Nice to keep the positive vibe of the ride group going into dark part of
> the year. Sure is a glowing plug for lighting, I know it takes little
> provocation to spill praise for mine.
>
> Oh yeah, pictures prove... Pittsburgh Night Ride 
> 10/15
>
> Andy Cheatham
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread James Warren
Surely you mean "just OK" as opposed to on all other bikes where the double TT 
looks great. :-)

- Jim "2TT is now my favorite" Warren

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On Oct 16, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> I actually think the double top tube looks OK on that big frame.
> 
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Curtis  wrote:
> Nice bike for the tall folks.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread hsmitham
+one on looking great on all bikes. Benefits.  A good hand hold when 
picking  the bike up rather than grabbing a single tubed version with a 
frame pump in the way and a conversation starter.
just my .02.

~Hugh

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:53:25 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
> Surely you mean "just OK" as opposed to on all other bikes where the 
> double TT looks great. :-)
>
> - Jim "2TT is now my favorite" Warren
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 16, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Eric Daume > 
> wrote:
>
> I actually think the double top tube looks OK on that big frame.
>
> Eric "but not for me" Daume
> Dublin, OH
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Curtis  >wrote:
>
>> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
>>
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Christopher Chen
Second Hugh's comment, except that I'm too short so they just make me
envious.


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:00 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> +one on looking great on all bikes. Benefits.  A good hand hold when
> picking  the bike up rather than grabbing a single tubed version with a
> frame pump in the way and a conversation starter.
> just my .02.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:53:25 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
>> Surely you mean "just OK" as opposed to on all other bikes where the
>> double TT looks great. :-)
>>
>> - Jim "2TT is now my favorite" Warren
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>> I actually think the double top tube looks OK on that big frame.
>>
>> Eric "but not for me" Daume
>> Dublin, OH
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Curtis  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/**Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-**
>>> randonneur-build-/**221299081509?pt=LH_**DefaultDomain_0&hash=**
>>> item3386740125
>>>
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Patrick Moore
I have to say that I find double tts on any but the largest frames quite
frankly, silly. An extra tube just for looks? Or to provide a handle?

Each to his own, but I know I am not alone in my sentiment.




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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Hugh Smitham
Now Patrick who isn't alone in those.

-Hugh
On Oct 16, 2013 8:08 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> I have to say that I find double tts on any but the largest frames quite
> frankly, silly. An extra tube just for looks? Or to provide a handle?
>
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>
>
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may listers
like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to be
justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird
one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm
frame serve a real function?

Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore


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>
>
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Peter Morgano
I think there are far worse things to be rather sad about, a bit
melodramatic isn't it?
On Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may listers
> like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to be
> justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird
> one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm
> frame serve a real function?
>
> Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Curtis  wrote:
>
>> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Not at all. Of course there are far worse things to be sad about, but if
that were our only guiding principle for emotion we'd be unemotional about
much that we, in fact, invest emotion in -- double top tubes, pro as well
as con, for that matter -- and this list would not exist.

I admired Rivendell from the beginning for bucking style trends -- steel
when the only good material for a frame was aluminum or titanium; friction
when indexing was the only game; long rear-centers and shorter
front-centers compared to crit geometries; frames that take wider tires and
fenders and racks; and above all Grant's signature "feel" and handling
qualities. He said himself, long ago (I signed up as a member in1994) that
Rivendell was "product driven, not market driven". Now I don't think
Rivendel today is market driven -- I think it drives its own little market,
in fact -- but I have seen a trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over
function -- tweed mudflaps, dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth.

So, you say: go elsewhere. But I have emotion invested in Rivendell -- I've
owned 5 over the years, not to mention huge quantities of other gear -- and
therefore I feel sad when I see what appears to me to be unreasonable
designs.

So, I believe I do have a right to my own feelings and opinions about
Rivendell -- long may it reign!


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> I think there are far worse things to be rather sad about, a bit
> melodramatic isn't it?
> On Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may listers
>> like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to be
>> justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird
>> one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm
>> frame serve a real function?
>>
>> Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Curtis  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Peter Morgano
I don't know if the Double TT is market driven, it seems to be a pretty
divisive issue. Far be it for me to deny anyone their feelings about
anything, especially Rivendell. But if the market is responding to what
they are doing they would be fools to not jump on some of the trends.  I
would hate to think that its like a vacuum in Walnut Creek.  I thin its
like 51 flavors, something for everyone. I could personally take or leave
the double TT, I am not smarts enough about geometry and planing and
whatnot to know if it hurts or helps. I love the way my 56cm Bombadil
rides, dunno if it would ride the same with one TT. It would be nice to
offer people a choice, however, but that is probably cost prohibitive.


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> Not at all. Of course there are far worse things to be sad about, but if
> that were our only guiding principle for emotion we'd be unemotional about
> much that we, in fact, invest emotion in -- double top tubes, pro as well
> as con, for that matter -- and this list would not exist.
>
> I admired Rivendell from the beginning for bucking style trends -- steel
> when the only good material for a frame was aluminum or titanium; friction
> when indexing was the only game; long rear-centers and shorter
> front-centers compared to crit geometries; frames that take wider tires and
> fenders and racks; and above all Grant's signature "feel" and handling
> qualities. He said himself, long ago (I signed up as a member in1994) that
> Rivendell was "product driven, not market driven". Now I don't think
> Rivendel today is market driven -- I think it drives its own little market,
> in fact -- but I have seen a trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over
> function -- tweed mudflaps, dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth.
>
> So, you say: go elsewhere. But I have emotion invested in Rivendell --
> I've owned 5 over the years, not to mention huge quantities of other gear
> -- and therefore I feel sad when I see what appears to me to be
> unreasonable designs.
>
> So, I believe I do have a right to my own feelings and opinions about
> Rivendell -- long may it reign!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> I think there are far worse things to be rather sad about, a bit
>> melodramatic isn't it?
>> On Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>
>>> Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may listers
>>> like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to be
>>> justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird
>>> one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm
>>> frame serve a real function?
>>>
>>> Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Curtis  wrote:
>>>
 Nice bike for the tall folks.


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[RBW] ISO 1 Bar-end Cork Grip

2013-10-16 Thread Peter Morgano
I have an Alfine setup on my bike and wanted to go to cork grips. I have a
pair of regular non-barends cork grips from Rivendell. I am throwing out a
net to see if anyone has one bar-end style grip they would want to
trade/sell. I know its a long shot but I thought I would give it a go
before I buy two pairs to get the one pair I want. Thanks either way.

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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Patrick Moore
I'll just add this: IF I could afford a Bombadil or Hunquapillar, AND if
the frame took disk brakes (I ride 44 mm boutique, lightweight, and
expensive rims), I'd buy one in a NY minute, dtt or no. (Though I'd try to
disguise the lower tt as a pump or somthing.)


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> I don't know if the Double TT is market driven, it seems to be a pretty
> divisive issue. Far be it for me to deny anyone their feelings about
> anything, especially Rivendell. But if the market is responding to what
> they are doing they would be fools to not jump on some of the trends.  I
> would hate to think that its like a vacuum in Walnut Creek.  I thin its
> like 51 flavors, something for everyone. I could personally take or leave
> the double TT, I am not smarts enough about geometry and planing and
> whatnot to know if it hurts or helps. I love the way my 56cm Bombadil
> rides, dunno if it would ride the same with one TT. It would be nice to
> offer people a choice, however, but that is probably cost prohibitive.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Not at all. Of course there are far worse things to be sad about, but if
>> that were our only guiding principle for emotion we'd be unemotional about
>> much that we, in fact, invest emotion in -- double top tubes, pro as well
>> as con, for that matter -- and this list would not exist.
>>
>> I admired Rivendell from the beginning for bucking style trends -- steel
>> when the only good material for a frame was aluminum or titanium; friction
>> when indexing was the only game; long rear-centers and shorter
>> front-centers compared to crit geometries; frames that take wider tires and
>> fenders and racks; and above all Grant's signature "feel" and handling
>> qualities. He said himself, long ago (I signed up as a member in1994) that
>> Rivendell was "product driven, not market driven". Now I don't think
>> Rivendel today is market driven -- I think it drives its own little market,
>> in fact -- but I have seen a trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over
>> function -- tweed mudflaps, dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth.
>>
>> So, you say: go elsewhere. But I have emotion invested in Rivendell --
>> I've owned 5 over the years, not to mention huge quantities of other gear
>> -- and therefore I feel sad when I see what appears to me to be
>> unreasonable designs.
>>
>> So, I believe I do have a right to my own feelings and opinions about
>> Rivendell -- long may it reign!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Peter Morgano 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think there are far worse things to be rather sad about, a bit
>>> melodramatic isn't it?
>>> On Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>>
 Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may
 listers like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to be
 justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird
 one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm
 frame serve a real function?

 Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore


 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Curtis  wrote:

> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread Peter Morgano
I am imagining Patrick hiring a painter to mock up the lower tt as a pump,
hahaha.  Good times.
On Oct 17, 2013 12:31 AM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> I'll just add this: IF I could afford a Bombadil or Hunquapillar, AND if
> the frame took disk brakes (I ride 44 mm boutique, lightweight, and
> expensive rims), I'd buy one in a NY minute, dtt or no. (Though I'd try to
> disguise the lower tt as a pump or somthing.)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> I don't know if the Double TT is market driven, it seems to be a pretty
>> divisive issue. Far be it for me to deny anyone their feelings about
>> anything, especially Rivendell. But if the market is responding to what
>> they are doing they would be fools to not jump on some of the trends.  I
>> would hate to think that its like a vacuum in Walnut Creek.  I thin its
>> like 51 flavors, something for everyone. I could personally take or leave
>> the double TT, I am not smarts enough about geometry and planing and
>> whatnot to know if it hurts or helps. I love the way my 56cm Bombadil
>> rides, dunno if it would ride the same with one TT. It would be nice to
>> offer people a choice, however, but that is probably cost prohibitive.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Not at all. Of course there are far worse things to be sad about, but if
>>> that were our only guiding principle for emotion we'd be unemotional about
>>> much that we, in fact, invest emotion in -- double top tubes, pro as well
>>> as con, for that matter -- and this list would not exist.
>>>
>>> I admired Rivendell from the beginning for bucking style trends -- steel
>>> when the only good material for a frame was aluminum or titanium; friction
>>> when indexing was the only game; long rear-centers and shorter
>>> front-centers compared to crit geometries; frames that take wider tires and
>>> fenders and racks; and above all Grant's signature "feel" and handling
>>> qualities. He said himself, long ago (I signed up as a member in1994) that
>>> Rivendell was "product driven, not market driven". Now I don't think
>>> Rivendel today is market driven -- I think it drives its own little market,
>>> in fact -- but I have seen a trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over
>>> function -- tweed mudflaps, dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth.
>>>
>>> So, you say: go elsewhere. But I have emotion invested in Rivendell --
>>> I've owned 5 over the years, not to mention huge quantities of other gear
>>> -- and therefore I feel sad when I see what appears to me to be
>>> unreasonable designs.
>>>
>>> So, I believe I do have a right to my own feelings and opinions about
>>> Rivendell -- long may it reign!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Peter Morgano 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think there are far worse things to be rather sad about, a bit
 melodramatic isn't it?
 On Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may
> listers like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to be
> justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird
> one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm
> frame serve a real function?
>
> Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Curtis  wrote:
>
>> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
>>
>> Ride Safe,
>>
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread sameness
I'd venture that we'd sooner see a third top tube (Quadrapillar!) than a 
disk Riv.

Jeff "Them's The Brakes" Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

On Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:31:26 PM UTC+11, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'll just add this: IF I could afford a Bombadil or Hunquapillar, AND if 
> the frame took disk brakes (I ride 44 mm boutique, lightweight, and 
> expensive rims), I'd buy one in a NY minute, dtt or no. (Though I'd try to 
> disguise the lower tt as a pump or somthing.)
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Re: [RBW] 71Hilsen on eBay

2013-10-16 Thread hsmitham
Patrick,

Though I'd try to disguise the lower tt as a pump or somthing, Isn't that 
style? Your style. The beauty is that you have a choice. but I have seen a 
trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over function -- tweed mudflaps, 
dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth "Sad" about "style" over 
"function" the two the two can be mutual, as far as I can tell "Riv" does a 
pretty good job of offering an alternative to the myriad of choices out 
there and as far as idiosyncratic, thank heaven for different...and 
sometimes a design even from the most heralded can fall short... I bow down 
to a mistake, for from doing thus I learn.

I don't intend to be snarky using *red* it's just late & I'm short cutting 
it.

~Hugh"Style" Smitham

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:31:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'll just add this: IF I could afford a Bombadil or Hunquapillar, AND if 
> the frame took disk brakes (I ride 44 mm boutique, lightweight, and 
> expensive rims), I'd buy one in a NY minute, dtt or no. (Though I'd try to 
> disguise the lower tt as a pump or somthing.)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Peter Morgano 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't know if the Double TT is market driven, it seems to be a pretty 
>> divisive issue. Far be it for me to deny anyone their feelings about 
>> anything, especially Rivendell. But if the market is responding to what 
>> they are doing they would be fools to not jump on some of the trends.  I 
>> would hate to think that its like a vacuum in Walnut Creek.  I thin its 
>> like 51 flavors, something for everyone. I could personally take or leave 
>> the double TT, I am not smarts enough about geometry and planing and 
>> whatnot to know if it hurts or helps. I love the way my 56cm Bombadil 
>> rides, dunno if it would ride the same with one TT. It would be nice to 
>> offer people a choice, however, but that is probably cost prohibitive. 
>>  
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Not at all. Of course there are far worse things to be sad about, but if 
>>> that were our only guiding principle for emotion we'd be unemotional about 
>>> much that we, in fact, invest emotion in -- double top tubes, pro as well 
>>> as con, for that matter -- and this list would not exist.
>>>
>>> I admired Rivendell from the beginning for bucking style trends -- steel 
>>> when the only good material for a frame was aluminum or titanium; friction 
>>> when indexing was the only game; long rear-centers and shorter 
>>> front-centers compared to crit geometries; frames that take wider tires and 
>>> fenders and racks; and above all Grant's signature "feel" and handling 
>>> qualities. He said himself, long ago (I signed up as a member in1994) that 
>>> Rivendell was "product driven, not market driven". Now I don't think 
>>> Rivendel today is market driven -- I think it drives its own little market, 
>>> in fact -- but I have seen a trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over 
>>> function -- tweed mudflaps, dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth.
>>>
>>> So, you say: go elsewhere. But I have emotion invested in Rivendell -- 
>>> I've owned 5 over the years, not to mention huge quantities of other gear 
>>> -- and therefore I feel sad when I see what appears to me to be 
>>> unreasonable designs.
>>>
>>> So, I believe I do have a right to my own feelings and opinions about 
>>> Rivendell -- long may it reign!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Peter Morgano 
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 I think there are far worse things to be rather sad about, a bit 
 melodramatic isn't it?  
 On Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Patrick Moore" > 
 wrote:

> Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may 
> listers like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to 
> be 
> justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird 
> one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm 
> frame serve a real function?
>
> Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Curtis 
> > wrote:
>
>> Nice bike for the tall folks.
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125
>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Loving my Atlantis...let me count the ways

2013-10-16 Thread stonehog
It may be that I'm morphing again, and should have trusted my gut 
originally.  I really enjoyed the VO Porteur bars on my AHH after not 
liking a set of 46cm Noodles, but I've since settled on 42cm Noodles for 
that bike.  However, I have the Albastaches on my Hunqa, and really like 
the full-time upright and forward brake positions.  I am also losing my 
interest in the extreme variation the Boscos give (on my backup commuter). 
 I am currently planning on stowing those for my next foray into cruisers 
or my elderly years, and getting back to the Porteur bars that are just so 
right.  They are narrow, have at least 3 hand positions, and do at least 
100k without hand pain.  Sticking with the Noodles for the long rides, 
however (over 200k).

Brian
Seattle, WA

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:31:22 AM UTC-7, Tom Matchak wrote:
>
> I have spent the past couple of seasons searching for an alternative to 
> drop bars. I started with the classics (Albas and Moustache) but found 
> these to be too wide or too convoluted. After lots of experimenting, I 
> finally settled on classic Porteur bars, set up Moustache-style.
>
> http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/34156114@N05/9146262436/
>
> I am using both the Grand Bois Elysees bar and the Velo Orange Porteur 
> bar, both in the "flipped" orientation. I have the straight section angled 
> down about 10 deg, and the brake hoods are sloped down to provide the lever 
> location/sweep that feels natural for my hands. There are some very subtle 
> differences between these bars, and I like the curve on the VO model just a 
> tad more, but I am comfortable with either one.
>
> Porteur-style bars like these typically are set up with reverse brake 
> levers or MTB levers and some sort of a thumb shifter, all of which limits 
> the available hand positions. But the two models mentioned here take normal 
> road bike brake levers and bar-end shifters, leaving the bar's sweep 
> available for a range of hand positions. I also find that the forward 
> position of the brake levers feels more secure and comfortable on a 
> downhill.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom Matchak
> Glen, NH
>
>

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