[RBW] Re: New ACW mugs inspired by the orange...

2015-05-02 Thread Wayne Naha
Very sexy!  Nicely done.

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 7:03:26 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:

 X0-1 of course!

 Working with a couple forum members doing a little QA, it was decided the 
 ACW needed some steel. Stainless steel that is.

 Some song and dance later, and I'm super happy with the result, and the 
 orange printing came out just as I'd hoped. This group has always been 
 source of inspiration when it comes to bike related matters, so it's cool 
 to work in little ties when doing projects.

 I don't have many riding companions into the same rambling type rides I 
 enjoy, so most often I'm wheeling alone. When I see ride reports, 
 coffeeoutside posts, and bag pictures that are adorned with ACW goodies, 
 it's a pretty cool way of partaking in the journey. One day, I hope to EARN 
 an entmoot patch, drink the beer at the end of a Redlands Strada Rossa, and 
 show up in ONE of Manny's S24O photos. Until then ladies and 
 gents...caffeinate!

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/17336131881/


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[RBW] FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag

2015-05-02 Thread Mike Schiller
Custom Ruthworks dark green canvas with honey leather full touring set. 
Front  bag is 10 tall and 8 1/2 deep. I did mount and remove  a Berthoud 
decaleur.  
Panniers are 15 tall and 8 wide.  I had Ely use Lone Peak top hooks as 
they have a simple locking lever. The hooks are 6 apart.  Elastic bungee 
at bottom.
Rear seat wedge is about 8 long.

Ely's picture is here
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruthworkssf/15103687527/in/faves-37347002@N05/ 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruthworkssf/15103687527/in/faves-37347002@N05/

I set up the front bag on my  bike and used it for 2 short rides. The 
panniers did an around the block test run so this set is basically brand 
new.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/15116575824/in/set-72157634847568447

I am switching to bikepacking style frame bags for the most part.  It makes 
no sense to keep these beautiful bags stored in my closet. The construction 
and materials are top notch.

Brand new this set runs over $800 and a six month plus lead-time.

I'd like $450 for the whole set including shipping the Con US

Let me know off-line if anyone is interested.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Speedblend tires! Wanna try them?

2015-05-02 Thread Bruce Smitham
I would take them on the leg from north San Diego. Sounds like a fun idea.

Bruce in San Diego

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:


 Great idea, Evan!  everyone should have to provide photos of the places 
 your tires traveled.  I'd love to give them a spin around the Niles Canyon 
 or down to Coyote Creek and over to the Peninsula.  If I have access in 
 June (when school's out), I promise they will see both sides of the bay 
 within a week's time.  I may also be visiting family in LA in June so I 
 might be able to get them down to the southland.

 John

 On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 5:15:48 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:

 Remember these tires? Grant got a patent for them about twelve years ago. 
 When the tires turn, the sidewall stripes merge into a single shade, and 
 the shade changes as the tire speeds up.

 They look unusual when you're stopped, but pretty cool when you're in 
 motion.

 I spotted them on my local Craigslist so of course I had to buy them. The 
 tires themselves are Panaracer Paselas. They're still soft and sound and 
 comfortable. They're labeled 700x32 and they look roughly that width on my 
 Mavic MA 3 rim.

 If you'd like to try these tires, I'll pass them along to you for no 
 charge--as long as you promise to ride them only briefly and then pass them 
 along to another list member. Think of it as a Riv rite of passage. 

 Pick up in SF. (If you're farther away and you really want them, I'll 
 mail them to you if you pay shipping.)

 Evan E.
 SF, CA




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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunq's Slipping Seatpost

2015-05-02 Thread James Warren

My reaction is not the same. The seatpost/seat-tube junction is not an uncommon 
problem area in bicycles. I've seen the problem enough to give any company the 
benefit of the doubt on it. Yes, they shouldn't see it as tolerable, and 
Waterford shouldn't repeatedly make a mistake, but I know Riv well enough that 
I'm not going to assume they think the problem is acceptable.

Also, I've seen simple fixes to seatpost slipping. Maybe, even if warranted, 
it's not worth it to the customer to send the whole frame back for a 
replacement. In principle, the customer should get a flawless product. Despite 
the existence of that principle, it might still be in the better interest of 
the customer to get help with the quick fix, because often with the seatpost 
problem, the fix is lasting. It's worth considering as opposed to the personal 
labor and waiting time involved with frame replacement. So if Rivendell were 
helpful (as I've always found them to be) as they gave advice on how to prevent 
the slipping, that would not cause me to be disappointed in the company.

-Jim W.


On May 1, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Christopher Murray wrote:

 Wow!! I don't understand how this is acceptable by either Waterford or 
 Rivendell. I would want a new bike and I don't feel like I should have to ask 
 or insist... Rivendell should be insisting on delivering a defect free 
 product not making half-assed solution suggestions. I have owned 4 Rivendells 
 and I can say after hearing this I can't see buying another. I am REALLY, 
 REALLY disappointed in Rivendell.
 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag

2015-05-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Beautiful bags, Mike! Wow.

Could you help me understand the allure of frame bags vs. traditional 
panniers for bike packing? The main argument I've heard is squeezing 
through tight spaces. I've never understood this. My panniers are not wider 
than my legs are on the bike, and in LCG the bike and I are even wider 
except when I have to be pulling from the front or pushing from behind. Not 
once have I had a space the panniers couldn't fit through, though my canvas 
bags do get rock, tree, and bush loving rather often. Perhaps less hearty 
nylon tends to rip more easily? The knee rub of a frame bag is bothersome 
to me. So I've simply never grasped the preference. Any insight you can 
provide on what I'm missing would be great!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: The shifter shifts the tire!

2015-05-02 Thread Surlyprof
Dr. Hillborne and Mr. Sam.

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 8:43:05 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 I love this: 

 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ 


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Re: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-02 Thread islaysteve
Regarding Tims bike shop story (and not to derail this too much) but doesn't 
the customer, in general, have some level
Of responsibility for making informed purchases (oh, and $10K purchases at 
that)?  In this instance he was already advised to wait and talk to Tim's shop. 
 I guess some peoples' stupidity always amazes me.  And there are some really 
effective yet unscrupulous people waiting for them.
Steve

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[RBW] Re: Hunq's Slipping Seatpost

2015-05-02 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
Thanks for posting this additional bit of information. I'm not surprised, 
given the reputation of RBW for supporting customers after the sale but 
it's good to see it verified.  

Having said that, if there have been multiple Hunq's with this problem, 
then maybe RBW needs to rethink their QC procedures.  



On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 10:12:29 AM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:

 This wasn't acceptable to Rivendell.  I left out this part of the story, 
 but maybe I shouldn't have: Keven and the others at Rive were all over me 
 to send the frame back or otherwise tell them what I needed to get this 
 issue resolved.  As readers of this forum understand, there's probably no 
 better customer service and customer support in the world than Rivendell's. 
  Not sending the frame back was my choice; frankly, I was having such a 
 good time with my new Hunqapillar that the thought of waiting X number of 
 weeks for a replacement just wasn't an attractive one.
 Rivendell is a great company and I wouldn't hesitate to buy anything from 
 them, and in fact am already putting a slight bit of pressure on my wife to 
 let me buy her a Riv of her own.


 On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:58:27 PM UTC-4, Christopher Murray wrote:

 Wow!! I don't understand how this is acceptable by either Waterford or 
 Rivendell. I would want a new bike and I don't feel like I should have to 
 ask or insist... Rivendell should be insisting on delivering a defect free 
 product not making half-assed solution suggestions. I have owned 4 
 Rivendells and I can say after hearing this I can't see buying another. I 
 am REALLY, REALLY disappointed in Rivendell. 

 Chris



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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunq's Slipping Seatpost

2015-05-02 Thread Bruce Smitham
Riv always tries to make good on their products. Some small details can be
a bit disappointing but I always forget about that stuff when I go for a
ride on one of my Rivendell's.

Bruce in San DIego

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Kevin Lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.com
wrote:

 This wasn't acceptable to Rivendell.  I left out this part of the story,
 but maybe I shouldn't have: Keven and the others at Rive were all over me
 to send the frame back or otherwise tell them what I needed to get this
 issue resolved.  As readers of this forum understand, there's probably no
 better customer service and customer support in the world than
 Rivendell's.  Not sending the frame back was my choice; frankly, I was
 having such a good time with my new Hunqapillar that the thought of waiting
 X number of weeks for a replacement just wasn't an attractive one.
 Rivendell is a great company and I wouldn't hesitate to buy anything from
 them, and in fact am already putting a slight bit of pressure on my wife to
 let me buy her a Riv of her own.



 On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:58:27 PM UTC-4, Christopher Murray wrote:

 Wow!! I don't understand how this is acceptable by either Waterford or
 Rivendell. I would want a new bike and I don't feel like I should have to
 ask or insist... Rivendell should be insisting on delivering a defect free
 product not making half-assed solution suggestions. I have owned 4
 Rivendells and I can say after hearing this I can't see buying another. I
 am REALLY, REALLY disappointed in Rivendell.

 Chris

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[RBW] Re: So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-02 Thread Surlyprof
I like Will's suggestion.  He'll walk away from that discussion either 
understanding what he REALLY needs in a bike (particularly regarding fit, 
handlebars height to saddle, etc) or realize that he is asking the wrong 
person for his triathelete aspirations.  

Dave Scott Centurions were great bikes in the '80's and highly coveted 
around campus these days.  I remember really wanting one back in the late 
'80's.  Pretty cool to see them still in great shape with either the purple 
and yellow or turquoise and salmon paint jobs.  Throw on some leg warmers 
and you're ready to zip off to aerobics class!

John

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 4:28:34 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:

 Amit... Show this friend your bike. Explain all the features that caused 
 you to buy it. 

 Once he understands your decision process, he can map whatever elements 
 there are that carry to tri bikes. 

 Or... he'll understand he's asking the wrong person. Either way, he's got 
 a start. 



  

 On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 4:25:32 PM UTC-5, Amit Singh wrote:

 He has a budget of $3,000 and wants to buy a tri-bike and wants your 
 advice on what to get.

 What do you tell him?



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[RBW] Re: Hunq's Slipping Seatpost

2015-05-02 Thread Kevin Lindsey
This wasn't acceptable to Rivendell.  I left out this part of the story, 
but maybe I shouldn't have: Keven and the others at Rive were all over me 
to send the frame back or otherwise tell them what I needed to get this 
issue resolved.  As readers of this forum understand, there's probably no 
better customer service and customer support in the world than Rivendell's. 
 Not sending the frame back was my choice; frankly, I was having such a 
good time with my new Hunqapillar that the thought of waiting X number of 
weeks for a replacement just wasn't an attractive one.
Rivendell is a great company and I wouldn't hesitate to buy anything from 
them, and in fact am already putting a slight bit of pressure on my wife to 
let me buy her a Riv of her own.


On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:58:27 PM UTC-4, Christopher Murray wrote:

 Wow!! I don't understand how this is acceptable by either Waterford or 
 Rivendell. I would want a new bike and I don't feel like I should have to 
 ask or insist... Rivendell should be insisting on delivering a defect free 
 product not making half-assed solution suggestions. I have owned 4 
 Rivendells and I can say after hearing this I can't see buying another. I 
 am REALLY, REALLY disappointed in Rivendell. 

 Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag

2015-05-02 Thread Anne Paulson
I have ridden the same off-road rides with bikepacking gear and with
panniers. For me, when I was pushing the bike, the rear panniers got
in the way of my legs, particularly on narrow trails where I needed to
get close to the bike. YMMV.

The other appeal is simply simplicity. Racks can loosen up. They can
break. If you don't have racks, then you don't have to worry about
broken racks.

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 Beautiful bags, Mike! Wow.

 Could you help me understand the allure of frame bags vs. traditional
 panniers for bike packing? The main argument I've heard is squeezing through
 tight spaces. I've never understood this. My panniers are not wider than my
 legs are on the bike, and in LCG the bike and I are even wider except when I
 have to be pulling from the front or pushing from behind. Not once have I
 had a space the panniers couldn't fit through, though my canvas bags do get
 rock, tree, and bush loving rather often. Perhaps less hearty nylon tends to
 rip more easily? The knee rub of a frame bag is bothersome to me. So I've
 simply never grasped the preference. Any insight you can provide on what I'm
 missing would be great!

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Compass Barlow Pass Tires

2015-05-02 Thread René Sterental
Great looking loaded Atlantis! What pressure did you use in the tires for
such a load?

René

On Thursday, April 30, 2015, Ty Graham tygra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey, I just wanted to add my $.05.

 I've been riding Barlow Pass on my 64cm Atlantis for as long as they've
 been available.  Great tires.  Love the ride.

 I've been a Jack Brown guy. Also a GB Cypres guy.  I have Marathon
 Supremes mounted on a spare wheelset, but I just hate the ride; too dead.

 My normal Barlow Pass are the ELs.  Best tire ever.  Feels like the tire
 the bike was made for.

 Last October I rode 900 miles to San Francisco down the coast. I used
 Barlow Pass regular on my mechanic's recommendation. Loaded weight of bike,
 rider, baggage, water, etc. was 310lbs. Great ride on all kinds of roads
 and not a single flat!

 I would have kept with the Barlow just for the great ride. Now that I've
 experienced the reliability, I'm totally sold.

 Here's a pic: https://flic.kr/p/priht2

 Ty Graham
 Seattle

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[RBW] Re: The shifter shifts the tire!

2015-05-02 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
Nice shot of the 52cm Clem.  It actually got me to wanting one!   



On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 10:43:05 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:


 I love this: 

 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ 


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag

2015-05-02 Thread Patrick Moore
I'm no off road traveler, but I do know that there is a great difference
between wide open roads and trails in much of the SW and the more
convoluted and overgrown trails I've seen in photos of Eastern forest rides
-- or for that matter in the middle of our bosque. Perhaps the rackless
systems are designed for the latter type of trail?

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Beautiful bags, Mike! Wow.

 Could you help me understand the allure of frame bags vs. traditional
 panniers for bike packing? The main argument I've heard is squeezing
 through tight spaces. I've never understood this. My panniers are not wider
 than my legs are on the bike, and in LCG the bike and I are even wider
 except when I have to be pulling from the front or pushing from behind. Not
 once have I had a space the panniers couldn't fit through, though my canvas
 bags do get rock, tree, and bush loving rather often. Perhaps less hearty
 nylon tends to rip more easily? The knee rub of a frame bag is bothersome
 to me. So I've simply never grasped the preference. Any insight you can
 provide on what I'm missing would be great!

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread Michael Hechmer
I have the new decaluer in hand but find myself unsure if it bolts through 
the steel at the top of the bag or just through the leather under the 
steel?  The latter certainly would be simpler and it ought to suffice to 
stabilize the top of the bag.

Michael


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[RBW] Re: FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag

2015-05-02 Thread David Banzer
In the last BQ in the Jones article, there is discussion of bikepacking bags v. 
traditional touring bags. 
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread Ron Mc
I used a leather punch and punched holes in mine

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On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I have the new decaluer in hand but find myself unsure if it bolts through 
 the steel at the top of the bag or just through the leather under the 
 steel?  The latter certainly would be simpler and it ought to suffice to 
 stabilize the top of the bag.

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[RBW] Re: Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread Ron Mc
ps - they don't have to be as high on the bag as mine - the bag closes 
better if they're lower, but mine had to be that high for the proper reach

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 I used a leather punch and punched holes in mine


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aaaPA180005.jpg


 On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 12:46:12 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I have the new decaluer in hand but find myself unsure if it bolts 
 through the steel at the top of the bag or just through the leather under 
 the steel?  The latter certainly would be simpler and it ought to suffice 
 to stabilize the top of the bag.

 Michael




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[RBW] Re: Hunq's Slipping Seatpost

2015-05-02 Thread Christopher Murray
Thanks for the additional info. That sound much more like the Rivendell I know. 

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 05/02/2015 01:46 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
I have the new decaluer in hand but find myself unsure if it bolts 
through the steel at the top of the bag or just through the leather 
under the steel?  The latter certainly would be simpler and it ought 
to suffice to stabilize the top of the bag.


What kind of bag do you have?

The Berthoud bags do not have any metal, just cloth reinforced with a 
leather strip at the top rear.  The decaleur bolts through that.


I also have a Kirtland Tour Pak handlebar bag.  That one in addition to 
the leather strip at the top rear also has sheet metal inserts at the 
bottom of the bag and at the back.  When I hacked that and installed a 
Berthoud decaleur on it I drill all the way through leather and sheet metal.



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Re: [RBW] Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread Michael Hechmer
This is the large Berthoud HB bag, 2586.  I bought it from Boulder 
Bicycles, who advertise a custom stiffiner.  Perhaps that is what I am 
looking at, an Al (??) piece of flat metal on three sides of the bag.  It 
is a little less than half the width of the leather strip.  It would take a 
sharp bit and some patience to drill 4 holes in it and even then it looks 
like it would challenge the length of the 4 bolts, so I'm guessing just 
going through the leather, below the metal  is appropriate.

Michael

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 4:58:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/02/2015 01:46 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: 
  I have the new decaluer in hand but find myself unsure if it bolts 
  through the steel at the top of the bag or just through the leather 
  under the steel?  The latter certainly would be simpler and it ought 
  to suffice to stabilize the top of the bag. 

 What kind of bag do you have? 

 The Berthoud bags do not have any metal, just cloth reinforced with a 
 leather strip at the top rear.  The decaleur bolts through that. 

 I also have a Kirtland Tour Pak handlebar bag.  That one in addition to 
 the leather strip at the top rear also has sheet metal inserts at the 
 bottom of the bag and at the back.  When I hacked that and installed a 
 Berthoud decaleur on it I drill all the way through leather and sheet 
 metal. 




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Re: [RBW] Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 05/02/2015 05:12 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
This is the large Berthoud HB bag, 2586.  I bought it from Boulder 
Bicycles, who advertise a custom stiffiner.


Yes, that's got to be it.

The bag was designed to have the decaleur installed through the leather, 
so I'm sure doing it that way would be OK.



Perhaps that is what I am looking at, an Al (??) piece of flat metal 
on three sides of the bag.  It is a little less than half the width of 
the leather strip.  It would take a sharp bit and some patience to 
drill 4 holes in it and even then it looks like it would challenge the 
length of the 4 bolts, so I'm guessing just going through the leather, 
below the metal  is appropriate.


Michael

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 4:58:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 05/02/2015 01:46 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
 I have the new decaluer in hand but find myself unsure if it bolts
 through the steel at the top of the bag or just through the leather
 under the steel?  The latter certainly would be simpler and it
ought
 to suffice to stabilize the top of the bag.

What kind of bag do you have?

The Berthoud bags do not have any metal, just cloth reinforced with a
leather strip at the top rear.  The decaleur bolts through that.

I also have a Kirtland Tour Pak handlebar bag.  That one in
addition to
the leather strip at the top rear also has sheet metal inserts at the
bottom of the bag and at the back.  When I hacked that and
installed a
Berthoud decaleur on it I drill all the way through leather and
sheet metal.


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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

2015-05-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Wow! Holy Smokes! Gadzooks! Absolutely amazing. Wow!

All surfaces are smoother, faster, grippier, more sure. Butter.

Now, lets hope they last at least a year. Sardonic grin. Photo (and the 
next three to the left):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16724441584/

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
That's strange Michael. I have a large Berthoud bag that I, too, bought from 
Boulder. It's just leather and cloth, like Steve said. The custom stiffener is 
some type of fiberboard. It's a trip-folded, three piece that goes across the 
bottom and up both sides and attaches to the top of the bag with velcro. Hmm. 
But the declarer holds just fine bolted through the leather and cloth.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

2015-05-02 Thread Patrick Moore
What were you using before? Sorry, I missed that part of the conversation.

I must keep those in mind for the Fargo, though I seem to be going in a
more roady direction with that bike: from 37 lb and 12 psi 65 mm tires to
28 lb and skinny little 51 mm tires (tho' I just checked pressure after 19
miles of pavement and dirt and the are, F/R, 15/18.)

That said, the Furious Freds are Pretty Damn' Good -- on pavement I was
pushing the same gear, roughly, as on my errand road bike with Kojaks --
shifting between 64 on dirt, briefly 60 on a sandy couple of miles
churned up by horses, to 68 and 72 on pavement depending on wind. The *beau
ideal* would be 60 mm Furious Freds without the little central knoblets and
slightly bigger knobs on the shoulders.

Today's ride, discovering and re-discovering nearby roads and trails --
beside the acequia trails and roads, there are dozens of pretty little
neighborhoods scattered throughout the area (essentially, I-40 in the south
to a mile or so north of Alameda, and from the river to 2nd Street, w/e). I
found some of both that I've not seen before, and others that I've not
ridden for a long while. Basically, I followed my nose and got myself
pleasantly lost, discovering that what I had thought was East (or really,
ESE, the direction of the Sandias).

I would almost be tempted to get one of the new Rawlands built around 559 X
50 mm tires, but I am sold on 622 fatties. IME -- and, though I've taken no
measurements, I daresay my experience of 50+ years of riding is worth
something -- taller tires of the same width roll better over small bumps --
washboard, say -- and sand, and that at higher pressures than 559s of the
same width. That is to say that, IME, a 622X 60-65 at 20 rolls through sand
and washboard like a 559 X 60 at 12/17.

I suspect that more of my riding will be this sort of (sandy and choppy)
dirt + pavement, given that I have scores of such beautiful miles near my
house; and this tempts me (get thee behind me, Satan!) to consider a
Chauncey Matthews custom in the allroud idiom, but translated into NW
Albuquerque riding conditions.

But enough about me!

Patrick: I'll be interested to learn how the TBs perform and hold up longer
term.

Are you using tubes? A wee nudge toward tubeless ...

Oh! My new front wheel, with very nice, bright silver, cartridge-bearing
disk front hub -- Sunshine brand? $15 or so shipped eBay NEW -- and Avid
160 mm rotor, plus FF tire and sealant, as well as a Nashbar allen skewer,
all on the new Velocity Blunt SS rim, weighs exactly 1,502.5 grams.



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 Wow! Holy Smokes! Gadzooks! Absolutely amazing. Wow!

 All surfaces are smoother, faster, grippier, more sure. Butter.

 Now, lets hope they last at least a year. Sardonic grin. Photo (and the
 next three to the left):
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16724441584/

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

2015-05-02 Thread Patrick Moore
One last remark: I'm not hugely experienced with different tire brands and
models, but I have used many Schwalbes, and I daresay that this company is
easily in the top 3, if not #1 outright, when it comes to Intelligent
Design -- of tires that are durable and comfortable and fast rolling at
reasonable prices.

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Wow! Holy Smokes! Gadzooks! Absolutely amazing. Wow!

 All surfaces are smoother, faster, grippier, more sure. Butter.

 Now, lets hope they last at least a year. Sardonic grin. Photo (and the
 next three to the left):
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16724441584/

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

2015-05-02 Thread Patrick Moore
I see that my story idea outran my narrative talent. I meant to say: I got
pleasantly lost, and was pleasantly surprised to find myself heading North
when I thought I had been riding East -- interesting how familiar landmarks
(in this case a certain section of the very familiar Rio Grande
recreational trail) appear so foreign when one is geographically
discombobulated.

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Today's ride, discovering and re-discovering nearby roads and trails --
 beside the acequia trails and roads, there are dozens of pretty little
 neighborhoods scattered throughout the area (essentially, I-40 in the south
 to a mile or so north of Alameda, and from the river to 2nd Street, w/e). I
 found some of both that I've not seen before, and others that I've not
 ridden for a long while. Basically, I followed my nose and got myself
 pleasantly lost, discovering that what I had thought was East (or really,
 ESE, the direction of the Sandias).



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Re: [RBW] Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread John Hawrylak
I remember J Heine discussing installing a U-shaped Al plate piece at top 
of the bag (U is the width facing you and the 2 sides) and removing the 
fiber/plastic stiffeners.  He claimed it reduced the weight and 
improved holding the bag in the proper shape.

Does your bag have this U-shaped Al plate???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 5:12:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 This is the large Berthoud HB bag, 2586.  I bought it from Boulder 
 Bicycles, who advertise a custom stiffiner.  Perhaps that is what I am 
 looking at, an Al (??) piece of flat metal on three sides of the bag.  It 
 is a little less than half the width of the leather strip.  It would take a 
 sharp bit and some patience to drill 4 holes in it and even then it looks 
 like it would challenge the length of the 4 bolts, so I'm guessing just 
 going through the leather, below the metal  is appropriate.

 Michael

 On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 4:58:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/02/2015 01:46 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: 
  I have the new decaluer in hand but find myself unsure if it bolts 
  through the steel at the top of the bag or just through the leather 
  under the steel?  The latter certainly would be simpler and it ought 
  to suffice to stabilize the top of the bag. 

 What kind of bag do you have? 

 The Berthoud bags do not have any metal, just cloth reinforced with a 
 leather strip at the top rear.  The decaleur bolts through that. 

 I also have a Kirtland Tour Pak handlebar bag.  That one in addition to 
 the leather strip at the top rear also has sheet metal inserts at the 
 bottom of the bag and at the back.  When I hacked that and installed a 
 Berthoud decaleur on it I drill all the way through leather and sheet 
 metal. 




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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Speedblend tires! Wanna try them?

2015-05-02 Thread Evan E.
Resolved: These Speedblends will become the unofficial Riv Bunch Traveling 
Tires. 

I'll pass them to Joe Bunik (by way of private message and in-person 
delivery) and he can then pass them along to Joe Bernard or to anyone else 
on this thread. How about each rider holds the tires for roughly 50 miles 
and/or two weeks, maximum? That way, they'll keep moving. And, yes, please 
post a picture of the tires wherever they go. In the pictures at the top of 
this thread, the tires are in Russian Hill, San Francisco. (Not much of a 
vista, I know. But the tires hadn't yet started their world tour.)

Evan 


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag

2015-05-02 Thread Mike Schiller
I agree with what Anne says.  While I have a strong appreciation for canvas 
and leather bags, the bikepacking rackless bags are lighter and IMO better 
engineered. I can travel further and with greater ease. I also find that my 
load is better balanced which on technical trails makes the ride more fun 
and the downhills faster. Framebags don't work as well on traditional style 
frames because of leg rub so on that style of bike I have a half bag that 
only uses the front portion of the triangle.

For paved and smoother dirt roads the pannier set up is the best way to 
carry heavier loads. In brushy or rocky singletrack, panniers can snag on 
objects easier than frame mounted  bags.  

Lately I'm doing mostly off-road touring/bikepacking and will not utilize 
these bags as I once thought I would.  

~mike



On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 9:24:27 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I have ridden the same off-road rides with bikepacking gear and with 
 panniers. For me, when I was pushing the bike, the rear panniers got 
 in the way of my legs, particularly on narrow trails where I needed to 
 get close to the bike. YMMV. 

 The other appeal is simply simplicity. Racks can loosen up. They can 
 break. If you don't have racks, then you don't have to worry about 
 broken racks. 

 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  Beautiful bags, Mike! Wow. 
  
  Could you help me understand the allure of frame bags vs. traditional 
  panniers for bike packing? The main argument I've heard is squeezing 
 through 
  tight spaces. I've never understood this. My panniers are not wider than 
 my 
  legs are on the bike, and in LCG the bike and I are even wider except 
 when I 
  have to be pulling from the front or pushing from behind. Not once have 
 I 
  had a space the panniers couldn't fit through, though my canvas bags do 
 get 
  rock, tree, and bush loving rather often. Perhaps less hearty nylon 
 tends to 
  rip more easily? The knee rub of a frame bag is bothersome to me. So 
 I've 
  simply never grasped the preference. Any insight you can provide on what 
 I'm 
  missing would be great! 
  
  With abandon, 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag **price drop

2015-05-02 Thread Mike Schiller
No nibbles yet so I'm dropping the price to $400 shipped for the whole set.

~mike





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[RBW] Re: Compass Barlow Pass Tires

2015-05-02 Thread John Hawrylak
Ty

what tire pressure did you use on the 900 mike trip???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 7:14:16 PM UTC-4, Ty Graham wrote:

 Hey, I just wanted to add my $.05.

 I've been riding Barlow Pass on my 64cm Atlantis for as long as they've 
 been available.  Great tires.  Love the ride.

 I've been a Jack Brown guy. Also a GB Cypres guy.  I have Marathon 
 Supremes mounted on a spare wheelset, but I just hate the ride; too dead.

 My normal Barlow Pass are the ELs.  Best tire ever.  Feels like the tire 
 the bike was made for.

 Last October I rode 900 miles to San Francisco down the coast. I used 
 Barlow Pass regular on my mechanic's recommendation. Loaded weight of bike, 
 rider, baggage, water, etc. was 310lbs. Great ride on all kinds of roads 
 and not a single flat!

 I would have kept with the Barlow just for the great ride. Now that I've 
 experienced the reliability, I'm totally sold.

 Here's a pic: https://flic.kr/p/priht2

 Ty Graham
 Seattle


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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

2015-05-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
I rode Dureme 50's for the first 2 years, Smart Sam 2.25 front/2.1 rear for 
the last year. Interestingly, I'd put the Smart Sams on par with the smooth 
ride of Clement MSO 60 TPI. I'm debating when it is time to replace the 
QB's tires if I go Barlow Pass or MSO 120/dual compound. Since the Burts 
roll so beautifully (seriously, the Hunqapillar handled much more like the 
QB with them on!), I'm likely more comfortable going with the Barlow Pass 
and stop pushing the QB into the grey zone of underbiking rougher trails.

I'm excited to see what trouble this gets me into, and eager to see what 
the flat and durability experience is and if I go with the light version 
next time.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 6:35:53 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Since I have two other tire threads going, I may as well go for the 
 trifecta! Grin.

 Any and all experiences with Thunder Burts appreciated. I’m trying them 
 out as a fast rolling all terraine tire (I know they are a racing tire, 
 viewing it as a wide knobby version of the Barlow Pass, sort of — hoping 
 for a smoother, faster ride over all terrians).

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

2015-05-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Tubeless: I've debated this and doubt I'll try it. Too fussy when the tire 
comes off if I'm in the middle of nowhere. I'm running them at 30 PSI and 
they handled 40+ MPH (no idea of exact speed as I don't use a computer) 
curvy mountain descents fantastically, on both dirt and asphalt.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread Michael Hechmer
Yes, exactly.

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:

 I remember J Heine discussing installing a U-shaped Al plate piece at top 
 of the bag (U is the width facing you and the 2 sides) and removing the 
 fiber/plastic stiffeners.  He claimed it reduced the weight and 
 improved holding the bag in the proper shape.

 Does your bag have this U-shaped Al plate???

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ 

 On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 5:12:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 This is the large Berthoud HB bag, 2586.  I bought it from Boulder 
 Bicycles, who advertise a custom stiffiner.  Perhaps that is what I am 
 looking at, an Al (??) piece of flat metal on three sides of the bag.  It 
 is a little less than half the width of the leather strip.  It would take a 
 sharp bit and some patience to drill 4 holes in it and even then it looks 
 like it would challenge the length of the 4 bolts, so I'm guessing just 
 going through the leather, below the metal  is appropriate.

 Michael

 On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 4:58:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/02/2015 01:46 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: 
  I have the new decaluer in hand but find myself unsure if it bolts 
  through the steel at the top of the bag or just through the leather 
  under the steel?  The latter certainly would be simpler and it ought 
  to suffice to stabilize the top of the bag. 

 What kind of bag do you have? 

 The Berthoud bags do not have any metal, just cloth reinforced with a 
 leather strip at the top rear.  The decaleur bolts through that. 

 I also have a Kirtland Tour Pak handlebar bag.  That one in addition to 
 the leather strip at the top rear also has sheet metal inserts at the 
 bottom of the bag and at the back.  When I hacked that and installed a 
 Berthoud decaleur on it I drill all the way through leather and sheet 
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[RBW] front derailleur for widelow recommendation

2015-05-02 Thread drew
anyone have a good derailleur recommendation for the sugino wide/low 
double?  the xt triple derailleur that riv sells comes closer than i'd like 
to the chainstay and im wondering if a double specific derailleur would be 
better. 

thanks




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[RBW] Re: front derailleur for widelow recommendation

2015-05-02 Thread sameness
I don't have the Sugino, but I run a compact double with the same 14T 
difference, and I use a Shimano RX100 double with no problems. 

I think the only difference between the RX100 and the 105 of the same era 
is cosmetic (paint vs. chrome).

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Barlow Pass Tires

2015-05-02 Thread James Warren
Schiller, Leven, Jawnson, Allen, to name a few, but are there really 900 mikes 
on the forum? :-)


Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2015, at 3:31 PM, John Hawrylak john.hawry...@verizon.net wrote:

 Ty
 
 what tire pressure did you use on the 900 mike trip???
 
 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ
 
 On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 7:14:16 PM UTC-4, Ty Graham wrote:
 Hey, I just wanted to add my $.05.
 
 I've been riding Barlow Pass on my 64cm Atlantis for as long as they've been 
 available.  Great tires.  Love the ride.
 
 I've been a Jack Brown guy. Also a GB Cypres guy.  I have Marathon Supremes 
 mounted on a spare wheelset, but I just hate the ride; too dead.
 
 My normal Barlow Pass are the ELs.  Best tire ever.  Feels like the tire the 
 bike was made for.
 
 Last October I rode 900 miles to San Francisco down the coast. I used Barlow 
 Pass regular on my mechanic's recommendation. Loaded weight of bike, rider, 
 baggage, water, etc. was 310lbs. Great ride on all kinds of roads and not a 
 single flat!
 
 I would have kept with the Barlow just for the great ride. Now that I've 
 experienced the reliability, I'm totally sold.
 
 Here's a pic: https://flic.kr/p/priht2
 
 Ty Graham
 Seattle
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[RBW] Any doing Oregon Outback?

2015-05-02 Thread Eric
Anyone doing it this year?

Anyone traveling from Portland?

Anyone taking the train (or renting a car)?

Any plans to get back to Portland post ride?

Let's talk logistics (not tire choices) :)

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[RBW] Re: Anyone in Folsom free Sunday?

2015-05-02 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
Manny,

Below are a few links.  Assuming you'll be with your fiance I'll recommend 
the ride around Lake Natoma instead of Folsom Lake.  Very romantic. This is 
probably what you have been hearing about anyway.  Lake Natoma is below 
Folsom Lake Dam and should make for a perfect paved ride,  Very scenic and 
relaxing.  It's about a 20 mile round trip loop.  Not knowing where you are 
picking up the tandem, I suggest you find Bicycles Plus (link below).  They 
are located at the trail head and directly kitty-corner to free covered 
public parking.  Karen's bakery is right next door where you can get your 
sweetie some sweets and there are plenty of restaurants of all ethnic 
persuasion in close proximity. There is also a Mexican restaurant right 
next door but you should inquire at Bicycle's Plus if looking for something 
different.  Another plus is they are located in Old Town Historic Folsom.  
Bicycle's Plus has the appearance of an all carbon/spandex shop but I 
guarantee you they will treat you right.  

I've been commuting through this area for the past 25 years.  I hope these 
suggestions help.  If you have any more questions just ask.

Matt

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1636784

http://www.visitfolsom.com/!userfiles/pdf/FolsomBikeTrailMap.pdf

https://www.traillink.com/trail/lake-natoma-trail.aspx

http://www.onlinecycling.com/#!location/c1wl8
 

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 5:06:42 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Coming up to Folsom around lunch time to buy a tandem. Anyone free for a 
 ride or maybe lunch?  
 I hear good things about Folsom Lake... What to make the trip up kinda 
 worth it.
 Imma bring my bike

 Even more important any food options that would make the 2 hour ride 
 easier?

 Manny Itching to ride somewhere Acosta


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[RBW] Re: FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag

2015-05-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Thank you Mike and Anne and all. I really appreciate your experience. I'll 
still bikepack the dumb way as I have no issue with it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Ruthworks canvas front bag, panniers and seatbag

2015-05-02 Thread Mike Schiller
bags are sold now.  Thanks

~mike




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Re: [RBW] Installing the Bertoud Decaleur

2015-05-02 Thread Lungimsam
Boulder has a blog post about this stiffener and how to attach to a  Bertoud 
decaler:
http://boulderbicycle.blogspot.com/2010/06/june-11-2010-berthoud-handlebar-bag.html?m=1

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[RBW] Using Boulders stiffener with a Bertoud bag and Bertoud decaler

2015-05-02 Thread Lungimsam
http://boulderbicycle.blogspot.com/2010/06/june-11-2010-berthoud-handlebar-bag.html?m=1

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