[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Joe Bernard]

The crown is sweet, and I'm diggin' the brown-with-green on the ShopSack. I 
just ordered the same color in a Bar Tube...

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavbt-db.htm

...for my black-with-huge-white-letters Bike Friday. Somewhere on the Blug 
it was said that this should work well with the new black-with-white Sams, 
and I agree. Of course this screws up my plan for perfect color 
coordination with the black-with-white-straps Carradice I just bought, but 
what am I, a freakin' *bag matcher?? *

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 10:33:03 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I really like that brownish bullmoose handlebar, in the photo with the 
> brownish shopsack
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:03:42 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>>  guess ill start saving upagain
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: mustache cockpit-nitto bars/dirt drop, shimano bar ends/levers

[drew]

photos now HERE 



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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

Dan

FYI.  I wear a 7-3/4 fitted baseball cap.  I usually run a Riv cycling cap 
under a helmet and the latest RBW caps from Pace are close to being too 
big.  So maybe your Crenshaw Melon can fit in there?

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 4:23:29 PM UTC-7, Dan wrote:
>
> that is a really cool crown.  And, I've never wanted a cycling cap before 
> but that brown Clem cap is pretty cool.  Still too small for my huge noggin 
> tho I'm sure.
>
> Dan
> So. Wis.
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 5:52:18 PM UTC-5, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but 
>> didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com
>>
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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

I really like that brownish bullmoose handlebar, in the photo with the 
brownish shopsack

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:03:42 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
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>  guess ill start saving upagain
>
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[RBW] Re: Question about Imperial saddles

[Manuel Acosta]

>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/16949009642/in/photolist-rPJ75b
>

Its not as much as one without the cutout. 

But its not noticable.

I so far like the cambium carved is pretty good substitute

 

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[RBW] Re: Seattle-to-Portland this weekend?

[rob markwardt]

Greetings,  
  I'll be there on my sliver/orange Rivendell 
.  My 
bro's bailed out this summer so I'm soloing and planning on doing it in one 
day. Plan on leaving early, getting in as many miles as possible before it 
gets hot, then suffering to the finish. Hope to see a Riv or two on the 
way. 

PS. Mounted a new set of Compass "extra lights" on the steed tonight.  I 
haven't ridden them yet but man they sure look good. I bet it will be like 
riding tailwinds on marshmallows all the way to P-town! 

Rob

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:46:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Williams wrote:
>
> Any other list members riding the STP next weekend?  Rivendell 
> 
>
> Pictures prove I've done this before:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/7583563786/
>
> Andy
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[RBW] Question about Imperial saddles

[Lungimsam]

Brooks leather saddles develop  butt bone spot detents, yet the middle part 
of the saddle stays at original height. Like this (This is Tony D.'s 
saddle): 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/11608474323/in/album-72157639124322684/

Brooks Imperial saddles have a lengthwise cutout. When the butt bone 
detents start breaking in, does the middle part of the saddle stay up, like 
in the pic above, or does the saddle middle lower, because of the cutout?

Thanks for the info.



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Re: [RBW] Rivet review?

[Peter Adler]

That's gratifying to hear. I've been riding SA-As for six years, and I'm 
still a little disoriented by the Great Saddle Shortening of 2013, when the 
original design dropped 25mm (330 to 305), and then lost length again in 
2014 (305 to 285). I was used to that long nose; now it's sized like a 
Brooks with a long cutout. In addition to giving you more repositioning 
room, the longer saddle was weird-looking enough to discourage theft.

Also, I wish they'd bring back the Watershed leather in Golden. The Vintage 
Tru-leather is a reasonable color match for Brooks honey and VO elkhide 
macchiato, but SA-A's saddle sauce is a thoroughly inadequate water 
prevention treatment. I ordered a shiny-new saddle in last December's 
annual Xmas sale ($99 a saddle), sauced it up per the instructions, and 
then Stormageddon hit in the Bay Area - the one big rain event we've had in 
the last year. I got water blisters all over the saddle, and took it off to 
dry out. It's still in my parts box, while the previous year's non-matchy 
mahogany Watershed has gone back on.

I am not amused. A saddle that falls apart in the rain, when you make 
another saddle that can withstand Biblical floods - that's not exactly 
touring-friendly.

Peter "human interface fascist" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:08:36 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I finally spoke with Selle Anatomica.  Turns out I wasn't the only one 
> frustrated, and they now offer a base with longer rails.  It isn't listed, 
> and it isn't standard, but at least its available.   Also, Carol - Tom's 
> sister - is still running the company and handling customer service.
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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[drew]

 guess ill start saving upagain

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Call Me Jay]

I agree.  To my eyes, the arrows and knob like detail on the top of the crown 
are a play on an MTB suspension fork. Very clever.

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Re: [RBW] Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Clayton.sf]

Henry James crown has a slightly segmented look. It being narrower makes it 
less pronounced.

http://www.henryjames.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/f/c/fc-ledge.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, the segmented fork crown style has been a thing for a while, but I'd 
never seen a cast crown in that segmented shape.  

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 5:35:23 PM UTC-7, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> Similar to the Late Fat Chance crown
>
>  http://fatchance.bike/wp-content/uploads/Yo-Eddy-Fork-Blog4.jpg
> Steve
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Bill Lindsay > 
> wrote:
>
>> That crown is gorgeous.  That might be my favorite fork crown ever.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>>
>>> When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but 
>>> didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com
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Re: [RBW] Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Steven Sweedler]

Similar to the Late Fat Chance crown

 http://fatchance.bike/wp-content/uploads/Yo-Eddy-Fork-Blog4.jpg
Steve

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> That crown is gorgeous.  That might be my favorite fork crown ever.
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but
>> didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com
>>
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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

That crown is gorgeous.  That might be my favorite fork crown ever.  

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
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> didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Aaron Young]

Yes, I think the Hunqa-fork coupled with those crazy chainstays makes the
bike.

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:57 PM, James Warren 
wrote:

>
> I didn't say it as directly, but I agree with you about the trail riding,
> Aaron. Perfect use for sure. (And strangely enough, another thing that
> makes it far superior to so many cheap mixtes is that it has a great fork
> as opposed to their lousy springy forks.)
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Aaron Young wrote:
>
> I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even
> the Cheviot.  I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I
> bought for my wife.  In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers
> (lightly loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up
> front and went for a short overnight tour.  If you balance the load right,
> then for road touring it's no problem.  Off road touring, on the other
> hand, would require a very different bike.
>
> When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling single
> track.  That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that bike.
> Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :)
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or
>> full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the
>> Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday;
>> it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that
>> make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to
>> help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I
>> would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike.
>>
>> Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic
>> mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long
>> chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender
>> mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the
>> Clementine seems like to me.
>>
>> (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.)
>>
>> -Jim W.
>> Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is
>> luscious.  But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube.  It just
>> seems so mechanically not well thought out.  A mixte has a much better
>> design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable
>> frame.  But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour?  Could one do a
>> century on such a bike?  It does seem great for around town, short trips
>> and such.  But I can't see doing trails on it.  Wouldn't it be too flexy?
>> I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted
>> one.  But the frame design worries at me.
>> >
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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[mkr512]

Might this be a part of the H. Buffalo project, mentioned in passing in 
previous Blug posts but not yet described in detail? The references of 
which I'm aware are here 

 and here .

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 6:58:42 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Any ideas?  To me, it screams true mountain bike.  Could RBW be planning a 
> true 29'er?  
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 5:52:18 PM UTC-5, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but 
>> didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com
>>
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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Any ideas?  To me, it screams true mountain bike.  Could RBW be planning a 
true 29'er?  

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 5:52:18 PM UTC-5, EGNolan wrote:
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> When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[James Warren]

I didn't say it as directly, but I agree with you about the trail riding, 
Aaron. Perfect use for sure. (And strangely enough, another thing that makes it 
far superior to so many cheap mixtes is that it has a great fork as opposed to 
their lousy springy forks.)

 


On Jul 7, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Aaron Young wrote:

> I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even the 
> Cheviot.  I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I bought for 
> my wife.  In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers (lightly 
> loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up front and went 
> for a short overnight tour.  If you balance the load right, then for road 
> touring it's no problem.  Off road touring, on the other hand, would require 
> a very different bike.
> 
> When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling single 
> track.  That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that bike.  
> Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :)
> 
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren  wrote:
> 
> The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or full 
> touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the Clementine 
> practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; it rides 
> really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that make you 
> sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to help 
> provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I would 
> not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike.
> 
> Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic mixtes. 
> Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long chainstays, 
> serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender mounts and 
> well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the Clementine 
> seems like to me.
> 
> (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.)
> 
> -Jim W.
> Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily
> 
> 
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote:
> 
> > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is 
> > luscious.  But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube.  It just 
> > seems so mechanically not well thought out.  A mixte has a much better 
> > design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable frame. 
> >  But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour?  Could one do a century on 
> > such a bike?  It does seem great for around town, short trips and such.  
> > But I can't see doing trails on it.  Wouldn't it be too flexy?  I was 
> > trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted one.  
> > But the frame design worries at me.
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Clayton.sf]

My 'Viut with bullmoose boscos and rock 'n road tires handled local single 
track very well this past weekend. Not as well as the Jones, but not that 
far off either. Was able to clean all the usual technicalities and made it 
up the steepest inclines. On the road is wonderful too. I feel like it is 
one of those bikes that is a lot more than what meets the eye. I can 
imagine the Clementine will be similar in that aspect.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 4:53:06 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> I would not hesitate to dirt tour on my Cheviot. It is the 60cm version 
> and can fit 50mm tires.  Not talking fat bike style expedition touring, but 
> gravel roads and bay area type single track should not pose a problem. Of 
> course all a matter of how much you carry and how well you pick your lines.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-7, A. L Young wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even 
>> the Cheviot.  I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I 
>> bought for my wife.  In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers 
>> (lightly loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up 
>> front and went for a short overnight tour.  If you balance the load right, 
>> then for road touring it's no problem.  Off road touring, on the other 
>> hand, would require a very different bike.
>>
>> When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling 
>> single track.  That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that 
>> bike.  Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :)
>>
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR 
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or 
>>> full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the 
>>> Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; 
>>> it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that 
>>> make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to 
>>> help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I 
>>> would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike.
>>>
>>> Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic 
>>> mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long 
>>> chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender 
>>> mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the 
>>> Clementine seems like to me.
>>>
>>> (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.)
>>>
>>> -Jim W.
>>> Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>>
>>> > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is 
>>> luscious.  But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube.  It just 
>>> seems so mechanically not well thought out.  A mixte has a much better 
>>> design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable 
>>> frame.  But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour?  Could one do a 
>>> century on such a bike?  It does seem great for around town, short trips 
>>> and such.  But I can't see doing trails on it.  Wouldn't it be too flexy?  
>>> I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted 
>>> one.  But the frame design worries at me.
>>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Clayton.sf]

I would not hesitate to dirt tour on my Cheviot. It is the 60cm version and 
can fit 50mm tires.  Not talking fat bike style expedition touring, but 
gravel roads and bay area type single track should not pose a problem. Of 
course all a matter of how much you carry and how well you pick your lines.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA




On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-7, A. L Young wrote:
>
> I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even 
> the Cheviot.  I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I 
> bought for my wife.  In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers 
> (lightly loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up 
> front and went for a short overnight tour.  If you balance the load right, 
> then for road touring it's no problem.  Off road touring, on the other 
> hand, would require a very different bike.
>
> When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling single 
> track.  That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that bike.  
> Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :)
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR 
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren  > wrote:
>
>>
>> The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or 
>> full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the 
>> Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; 
>> it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that 
>> make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to 
>> help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I 
>> would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike.
>>
>> Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic 
>> mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long 
>> chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender 
>> mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the 
>> Clementine seems like to me.
>>
>> (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.)
>>
>> -Jim W.
>> Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is 
>> luscious.  But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube.  It just 
>> seems so mechanically not well thought out.  A mixte has a much better 
>> design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable 
>> frame.  But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour?  Could one do a 
>> century on such a bike?  It does seem great for around town, short trips 
>> and such.  But I can't see doing trails on it.  Wouldn't it be too flexy?  
>> I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted 
>> one.  But the frame design worries at me.
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Aaron Young]

I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even
the Cheviot.  I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I
bought for my wife.  In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers
(lightly loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up
front and went for a short overnight tour.  If you balance the load right,
then for road touring it's no problem.  Off road touring, on the other
hand, would require a very different bike.

When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling single
track.  That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that bike.
Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :)

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren 
wrote:

>
> The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or
> full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the
> Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday;
> it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that
> make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to
> help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I
> would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike.
>
> Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic
> mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long
> chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender
> mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the
> Clementine seems like to me.
>
> (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.)
>
> -Jim W.
> Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is
> luscious.  But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube.  It just
> seems so mechanically not well thought out.  A mixte has a much better
> design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable
> frame.  But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour?  Could one do a
> century on such a bike?  It does seem great for around town, short trips
> and such.  But I can't see doing trails on it.  Wouldn't it be too flexy?
> I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted
> one.  But the frame design worries at me.
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[James Warren]

The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or full 
touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the Clementine 
practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; it rides really 
nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that make you sweat, with 
those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to help provide that sweat. 
For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I would not consider it a 
century bike or a loaded touring bike.

Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic mixtes. 
Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long chainstays, 
serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender mounts and 
well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the Clementine 
seems like to me.

(*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.)

-Jim W.
Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily


On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote:

> I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is luscious. 
>  But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube.  It just seems so 
> mechanically not well thought out.  A mixte has a much better design for 
> dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable frame.  But this 
> Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour?  Could one do a century on such a 
> bike?  It does seem great for around town, short trips and such.  But I can't 
> see doing trails on it.  Wouldn't it be too flexy?  I was trying to convince 
> my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted one.  But the frame design 
> worries at me.
> 

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Dan]

that is a really cool crown.  And, I've never wanted a cycling cap before 
but that brown Clem cap is pretty cool.  Still too small for my huge noggin 
tho I'm sure.

Dan
So. Wis.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 5:52:18 PM UTC-5, EGNolan wrote:
>
> When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but 
> didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com
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[RBW] Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[EGNolan]

When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but 
didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com

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[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[drew]

they do have a beefier feel than most step thru bikes ive come in contact 
with, but i agree that the innate nature of the design makes me wonder a 
little. (the cable routing would bother me more though.) But then again, i 
see swoop tube bikes that are like 50 years old every once in a while and 
they look like they survived and have some good stories to tell.  my fiance 
is barely over 5ft and we ended up getting the tiny clem proto.  fits like 
it was made for her. luckily, she prefered the non step-thru design anyway. 
no reason you couldn't go with the clem if you're not keen on the swoop and 
want some more rigidity. i think they are both pretty unisexish, and the 
clem feels bombproof. 

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[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is 
> luscious.  But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube.  It just 
> seems so mechanically not well thought out.  A mixte has a much better 
> design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable frame. 
>  But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour?  Could one do a century on 
> such a bike?  It does seem great for around town, short trips and such. 
>  But I can't see doing trails on it.  Wouldn't it be too flexy?  I was 
> trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted one. 
>  But the frame design worries at me.
>
For cruising, the clemintine should be fine. A few years ago, I bought my 
daughter a Schwinn "step-thru" comfort bike. For cruising around, and doing 
short trips, it works fine. Our schwinn looks very similar to the 
clemintine without the fancy lugs. Check it out:
 
http://www.sears.com/schwinn-women-s-suburban-cs-26inch-comfort-bike/p-00630016000P?prdNo=11&blockNo=11&blockType=G11\
 
At about $250, it was actually a good deal and my daughter actually likes 
it!  Of course, YMMV! Good Luck!
 

>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-4, A. L Young wrote:
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Daniel D.]

i was wondering that myself, but I'd add "Comfortably and within a 
reasonable time":p
On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
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> Could one do a century on such a bike? 
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[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Wayne Naha]

I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is 
luscious.  But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube.  It just 
seems so mechanically not well thought out.  A mixte has a much better 
design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable frame. 
 But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour?  Could one do a century on 
such a bike?  It does seem great for around town, short trips and such. 
 But I can't see doing trails on it.  Wouldn't it be too flexy?  I was 
trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted one. 
 But the frame design worries at me.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-4, A. L Young wrote:
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul Racers, Paul brake levers, TRP Levers, Various Nitto stems and handlebars!

[Avery Wilson]

That was quick! Racer brakes, moon units, and cable hangers/stops are 
spoken for.

46cm Noodles still available.

52cm Dirt Drops (RM-013) are still available.

Avery

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[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Aaron Young]

Other impressions that have come to mind:

- I liked the cheap-o retr-o plastic grips, but I think without gloves my
hands would get sticky sweaty on long rides with them.

- I can't comment on the seat. The binder bolt broke while adjusting it for
the test ride which ended up being all-standing and  shorter (duration, not
height; although at 5'8"...) than I would have liked. But the saddle looked
nice. Attached to the seat post. Lying on the ground. :/

- the IG-turned-derailer shifters worked great. Indexed, but frictiony.
Shifted just fine. No worries.

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR


On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, dougP  wrote:

> Jim:
>
> Let us know if you find a source for that seat.
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Aaron.
>>
>> One of the pictures,
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/19449664091/in/album-72157655573779841/
>>
>> shows the bike's seat lying on the ground. I was at Rivendell WC
>> yesterday, and I got to ride the Clementine with that seat attached. It's
>> really excellent. The brand is Velo; the look is plain and good, and the
>> handle it has off the back is nice for two reasons: as a handle as intended
>> or as a place for saddlebag attaching. It's wide to optimize the Bosco bar
>> setup, but you don't have to spring (!) for the price of a B67. I liked how
>> the inexpensive Velo seat felt while riding on it. I kind of want to get
>> one separately.
>>
>> -Jim W.
>> Los Angeles, CA (temporarily in Berkeley)
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Aaron Young wrote:
>>
>> Hey Gang,
>>
>> I stopped by Rivelo in Portland for the first time recently.  What a
>> great shop with all the bike and camping gear, hatchets, and a entire wall
>> of Bob Dylan albums for sale.
>>
>> It took a minute before I noticed but sitting right next to an orange
>> Cheviot was an orange Clementine.  Or maybe it's a clementine Clementine???
>>
>> Shop owner John (nice to meet you!) let me ride the Clementine for a
>> bit.  It was set up with Bosco bars and fat knobby tires.  It was great!
>> The Hunqa fork goes a long way to making this bike look super tough.
>>
>> I admit that based only on internet pics and reading about the
>> Clem/Clementine I was not very impressed.  But it was a whole different
>> story to see it in person and ride it, and now I'm a believer. Even the
>> Clementine with the swooping tubes had a rough/tough/beefy look to it.  Not
>> "girly" at all (hey, I like "girly").  I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the
>> Clementine to anyone especially for the price.  Heck, now I'm itching to
>> add one to my band of bicycles.  I'm pretty sure I would even go with a
>> Clementine over the Clem because of the drop tube.
>>
>> Here's a few pics from my short shop visit:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/sk8_or_die/XV8E26
>>
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
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>>
>> - 700x33
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul Racers, Paul brake levers, TRP Levers, Various Nitto stems and handlebars!

[Avery Wilson]

Last minute price drop/ fire sale!

I'm shipping stuff out tomorrow morning, so I'm lowering the price on the 
Paul Racer Centerpull brakes (center mount version) to $150 shipped! Half 
price, and I'll include the Moon Unit straddle hangers FOR FREE!

Both Nitto drop bars are still available.

Decided to keep the Paul brake levers.

Avery

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[RBW] FS: mustache cockpit-nitto bars/dirt drop, shimano bar ends/levers

[drew]

selling a mustache cockpit, hopefully, as a single item. just plug it in 
and go. 

nitto mustache
nitto dirt drop 8cm 
shimano tiagra aero levers via riv
shimano bar end shifters
newbaums wrap (i think it was yellow), amber shellacked and twined
even the cable housing  

everything is in very good condition, and newish. the shifters have been on 
a few bikes, and show a little wear, but work perfectly.  pictures to come.
not entirely sure how to price, so for now ill say 190$ shipped (i think 
the retail would be around 300).  

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[Ron Mc]

I've been told the Sunrace is the same as the Microshift (though a big 
difference in the cosmetics).  My daughter has been riding 9-speed index 
Microshift bar ends for 3 years without a hitch.  I build my upright this 
winter with Microshift thumbies 9-speed index on compact double (and rarely 
shift the front).  I am spoiled by it.  

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 10:06:44 AM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried the Sunrace shifters?  I like a good ratcheting 
> mechanism...I assume that's what we are talking about, not a 
> thunk-thunk-thunk like Shimano Barcons.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivet review?

[Ron Mc]

I put 35 miles on my Rivet Indy on my go-fast last weekend.  I have 
actually been playing so much with my new upright, I hadn't even ridden the 
bike in 5 months.  So this is fresh.  
Now a year and month old, I replaced a stretchy SA with the Indy.  The Indy 
hit its stretch limit for me in a couple of rides (which the SA never did 
after 6 months and over half of the stretch bolt).  The saddle is pretty 
firm on your sit bones, though plenty comfortable, and is tolerant of 
sliding around a bit.  When you do slide forward, you feel the hammock 
deflect.  Delighted with it after my 35-mi ride on this application.  
I like the contact, fit and especially the cooling in the s. Texas summer 
heat.  
Also should point out I'm a total fan of B17 Special on my other bikes.  
There is one little weirdness.  The "violin hole" I think has a too small 
radius in the back hole, and this causes a little crown pinch at the back 
edge of the hole.  However, it looks more intimidating than it feels and 
myrecent ride supports it.  

On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 at 4:39:38 PM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>
> Has anyone been able to ride a new Rivet saddle long enough for a review?  
> I'm thinking about the mahogany Pearl for the new Hunqa build.  I just took 
> it out for the shake-down ride to work today.  It was a smooth ride!  
> Thumbs up so far.  I am realizing the small saddlebag will have to move to 
> a taller bike with more clearance (59cm AHH) as I got some tire rub.  
> Luckily I have an XS Keven's bag that will do it up right.  
>
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzosf8m
> Brian 
> Seattle, WA
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[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Aaron Young]

Other impressions that have come to mind:

- I liked the cheap-o retr-o plastic grips, but I think without gloves my
hands would get sticky sweaty on long rides with them.

- I can't comment on the seat. The binder bolt broke while adjusting it for
the test ride which ended up being all-standing and  shorter (duration, not
height; although at 5'8"...) than I would have liked. But the saddle looked
nice. Attached to the seat post. Lying on the ground. :/

- the IG-turned-derailer shifters worked great. Indexed, but frictiony.
Shifted just fine. No worries.

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR


On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, dougP  wrote:

> Jim:
>
> Let us know if you find a source for that seat.
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Aaron.
>>
>> One of the pictures,
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/19449664091/in/album-72157655573779841/
>>
>> shows the bike's seat lying on the ground. I was at Rivendell WC
>> yesterday, and I got to ride the Clementine with that seat attached. It's
>> really excellent. The brand is Velo; the look is plain and good, and the
>> handle it has off the back is nice for two reasons: as a handle as intended
>> or as a place for saddlebag attaching. It's wide to optimize the Bosco bar
>> setup, but you don't have to spring (!) for the price of a B67. I liked how
>> the inexpensive Velo seat felt while riding on it. I kind of want to get
>> one separately.
>>
>> -Jim W.
>> Los Angeles, CA (temporarily in Berkeley)
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Aaron Young wrote:
>>
>> Hey Gang,
>>
>> I stopped by Rivelo in Portland for the first time recently.  What a
>> great shop with all the bike and camping gear, hatchets, and a entire wall
>> of Bob Dylan albums for sale.
>>
>> It took a minute before I noticed but sitting right next to an orange
>> Cheviot was an orange Clementine.  Or maybe it's a clementine Clementine???
>>
>> Shop owner John (nice to meet you!) let me ride the Clementine for a
>> bit.  It was set up with Bosco bars and fat knobby tires.  It was great!
>> The Hunqa fork goes a long way to making this bike look super tough.
>>
>> I admit that based only on internet pics and reading about the
>> Clem/Clementine I was not very impressed.  But it was a whole different
>> story to see it in person and ride it, and now I'm a believer. Even the
>> Clementine with the swooping tubes had a rough/tough/beefy look to it.  Not
>> "girly" at all (hey, I like "girly").  I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the
>> Clementine to anyone especially for the price.  Heck, now I'm itching to
>> add one to my band of bicycles.  I'm pretty sure I would even go with a
>> Clementine over the Clem because of the drop tube.
>>
>> Here's a few pics from my short shop visit:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/sk8_or_die/XV8E26
>>
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
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Re: [RBW] Rivet review?

[iamkeith]

 Well, good news - now that I've muddled up this Rivet thread:

I finally spoke with Selle Anatomica.  Turns out I wasn't the only one 
frustrated, and they now offer a base with longer rails.  It isn't listed, 
and it isn't standard, but at least its available.   Also, Carol - Tom's 
sister - is still running the company and handling customer service. 

I'd still appreciate hearing more reviews of the rivet, from anyone with 
experience to compare to the SA.

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Re: [RBW] Not all that glitters is gold...

[Mike Williams]

Ha!Manny you are the best my friend!   What was my quote?  ' the trails 
will always be there'??  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 7, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Manuel Acosta  
> wrote:
> 
> And so the beautiful summer of San Francisco is upon us...
> Meaning foggy, cold and wet. PERect time to go on an overnight in the 
> headlands.
> 
> Good buddies Tony and Bridgette make their way up from the Peninsula to do a 
> quick easy overnight with thoughts of epic shred session afterwords. With 
> pedicab rival Aaron joining in for the adventure.
> 
> Burritos are a go. Gear is dialed. Everyone is fresh.
> 
> We roll through the quite streets of Fisherman's Wharf  to be greeted by Karl 
> the Fog as we cross the bridge into our adventures. 
> 
> First single track down... disaster strikes. 
> Tony with the strength of his umm legs. Bends his saddle rails and pops 
> his saddle bolt off. Luckily he finds it in the dark and takes the time to 
> screw the bolt on.
> 
> He hops back on and the bolt's last threads give and the tiny but ever 
> important bolt pings into oblivion darkness never to be found again.
> Stuck now we sit around in the dark trying to figure out ways of making this 
> work. Good thing Tony brought some extra paracord.   
> 
> A couple of knots later and the saddle is ridable. Kinda. With minor 
> adjusting every 2 miles. We crawl our way to camp. 
> Just to find it drenched. With the fog make it rain feel like rain light 
> conditions.
> 
> With Aaron in his tent, Tony and Bridgette wrapped in a burrito tarp. There 
> was talks about a knife fight for Aaron's tent that never come into fruition. 
> 
> We wake up wet but take the our time. Sleeping in until the sun came out.
> 
> And for one rare morning in San Francisco it actually did.  We sat and 
> chilled waiting for our stuff to dry. 
> 
> We figured with Tony's saddle and with Bridgette nursing a previous back 
> injury we would cancel the day long shred fest for another time. Aaron goes 
> on ahead while we cruise and take our time come back home.
> 
> It was the great quotes of Mike Williams that really changed my perspective 
> on how adventures SHOULD go. And I'm never too sad about missing any 
> opportunity to go riding hard. 
> While having epic adventures is great. Just spending some time with good 
> friends and being able to leave with some stories to tell are just as good.
> 
> Always remember good friends, "The trails will always be there. For next 
> time."  
> 
> 
> Pictures proved that for this overnight Karl the Fog wins:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskfBSejJ
> 
> 
> Manny " Thanks Obi-One-Mike for showing me the Way" Acosta
> 
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Re: [RBW] Clementine Believer

[dougP]

Jim:

Let us know if you find a source for that seat.  

dougP

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Aaron.
>
> One of the pictures,
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/19449664091/in/album-72157655573779841/
>
> shows the bike's seat lying on the ground. I was at Rivendell WC 
> yesterday, and I got to ride the Clementine with that seat attached. It's 
> really excellent. The brand is Velo; the look is plain and good, and the 
> handle it has off the back is nice for two reasons: as a handle as intended 
> or as a place for saddlebag attaching. It's wide to optimize the Bosco bar 
> setup, but you don't have to spring (!) for the price of a B67. I liked how 
> the inexpensive Velo seat felt while riding on it. I kind of want to get 
> one separately.
>
> -Jim W.
> Los Angeles, CA (temporarily in Berkeley)
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Aaron Young wrote:
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> I stopped by Rivelo in Portland for the first time recently.  What a great 
> shop with all the bike and camping gear, hatchets, and a entire wall of Bob 
> Dylan albums for sale.  
>
> It took a minute before I noticed but sitting right next to an orange 
> Cheviot was an orange Clementine.  Or maybe it's a clementine Clementine???
>
> Shop owner John (nice to meet you!) let me ride the Clementine for a bit.  
> It was set up with Bosco bars and fat knobby tires.  It was great!  The 
> Hunqa fork goes a long way to making this bike look super tough.
>
> I admit that based only on internet pics and reading about the 
> Clem/Clementine I was not very impressed.  But it was a whole different 
> story to see it in person and ride it, and now I'm a believer. Even the 
> Clementine with the swooping tubes had a rough/tough/beefy look to it.  Not 
> "girly" at all (hey, I like "girly").  I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the 
> Clementine to anyone especially for the price.  Heck, now I'm itching to 
> add one to my band of bicycles.  I'm pretty sure I would even go with a 
> Clementine over the Clem because of the drop tube.
>
> Here's a few pics from my short shop visit:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/sk8_or_die/XV8E26
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[cyclotourist]

Oops, these are the nine speed indexed shifters, not the friction ones.
Sorry.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:39 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> My wife has them on her Glorius. Compared to Shimano 9 speed bar ends,
> the detents are chunkier (takes more effort to switch between) and
> they're just a hair off. She sometimes needs to overshift than back it
> into the correct gear. But they're 90% there.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16632363596
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:
>> Welcome, Doug.  I used the Sunrace Thumb Shifters for a while with a set of
>> Bosco bars.  They worked great.  The only reason I stopped using them is
>> that I prefer bar ends with an Albastache set up.  I don't remember any
>> correlation between the click of the shifter and the actual shift of the
>> derailleur.  I also don't remember that bothering me at all.  It shifts when
>> it shifts and, as long as I had the derailleur dialed in, it shifted well.
>> The one thing I have noticed now that I am back to using Silver friction
>> shifters, I don't remember ever encountering ghost shifting with the Sunrace
>> as I sometimes do on the Silver friction shifters when the d-ring gets
>> loose.  The only thing I can assume (pure assumption, mind you) is that the
>> ratchet mechanism in the Sunrace shifters helped keep it from ghost
>> shifting.  I'm sure it could happen with the Sunrace if it got loose but I
>> never encountered that problem.
>>
>> The build of the Sunrace appears a little plastic-y but they were sturdy and
>> worked really well.  Surprisingly well considering an $18 price point
>> (still!).  I suppose that is why Rivendell has continued carrying them and
>> is spec'ing them on the Clem.
>>
>> John
>>
>> PS:  I also test rode the Clem and it is a smooth and agile ride.  If I had
>> the money and the space, the 52cm Clem would likely be my N+1
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:49:22 AM UTC-7, Rider in the Storm wrote:
>>>
>>> New member here, first post. I am enjoying this group and appreciate the
>>> input from all. I am also considering the Clem Smith Jr. and have a question
>>> about the use of index shifters on a bike with friction shifting. The Riv
>>> website says it is weird but won't cause issues while riding. I'm looking
>>> for your thoughts and whether anyone has any experience with this setup.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doug
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[cyclotourist]

My wife has them on her Glorius. Compared to Shimano 9 speed bar ends,
the detents are chunkier (takes more effort to switch between) and
they're just a hair off. She sometimes needs to overshift than back it
into the correct gear. But they're 90% there.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16632363596


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:
> Welcome, Doug.  I used the Sunrace Thumb Shifters for a while with a set of
> Bosco bars.  They worked great.  The only reason I stopped using them is
> that I prefer bar ends with an Albastache set up.  I don't remember any
> correlation between the click of the shifter and the actual shift of the
> derailleur.  I also don't remember that bothering me at all.  It shifts when
> it shifts and, as long as I had the derailleur dialed in, it shifted well.
> The one thing I have noticed now that I am back to using Silver friction
> shifters, I don't remember ever encountering ghost shifting with the Sunrace
> as I sometimes do on the Silver friction shifters when the d-ring gets
> loose.  The only thing I can assume (pure assumption, mind you) is that the
> ratchet mechanism in the Sunrace shifters helped keep it from ghost
> shifting.  I'm sure it could happen with the Sunrace if it got loose but I
> never encountered that problem.
>
> The build of the Sunrace appears a little plastic-y but they were sturdy and
> worked really well.  Surprisingly well considering an $18 price point
> (still!).  I suppose that is why Rivendell has continued carrying them and
> is spec'ing them on the Clem.
>
> John
>
> PS:  I also test rode the Clem and it is a smooth and agile ride.  If I had
> the money and the space, the 52cm Clem would likely be my N+1
>
>
> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:49:22 AM UTC-7, Rider in the Storm wrote:
>>
>> New member here, first post. I am enjoying this group and appreciate the
>> input from all. I am also considering the Clem Smith Jr. and have a question
>> about the use of index shifters on a bike with friction shifting. The Riv
>> website says it is weird but won't cause issues while riding. I'm looking
>> for your thoughts and whether anyone has any experience with this setup.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doug
>
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[RBW] WTT - New Selle Anatomica for older

[iamkeith]

I have a brand new and un-used Selle Anatomica saddle that I'd like to 
trade for a slightly older one in very good or equally un-used condition.   
Mine is black watershed leather, with black rivets.   I'll consider any 
color other than mahogany, but would much prefer the same black or perhaps 
antique natural leather.

Important note:  If you like a lot of offset and tend to adjust your saddle 
far toward the back, this would be a good deal for you.  The new design 
allows a slight bit more adjustability in that direction, and also has 
stronger rails to help prevent bending when used this way.   If, however, 
you need to slide it more toward the front as I do, then this trade isn't 
for you.   The new design severely limits adjustability in that 
direction.   I just posted some photos in this thread that will help 
you identify the differences if you're unsure:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4lh_jeOHahw


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Re: [RBW] Rivet review?

[iamkeith]

Thanks for the replies, everyone.  Very helpful.

It does look like the Rivet rails offer a similar adjustment range to the 
old SA.   I wasn't aware of the try-before-you-buy program, so that sounds 
like the thing to do if I decide to go that way.

For the benefit of anyone else looking at this thread, that SA in Kieran's 
photo is "new" as in not used - but it's the "old" design, with the longer 
rails.   Attached are some side-by-side photos of the old and even newer 
(re-designed) versions.   Taking a page out of Coca Cola's playbook, the 
new and improved one now offers about 1/8" to 1/4" more rearward 
adjustment, but reduces the forward adjustment range (and bag support 
clamping real estate) by about 1 1/2".  Such a shame.

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[RBW] Re: Cambium bartape.

[Philip Kim]

Also found, that brown newbaums cotton tape with amber shellac matches the 
rust cambium saddles. not sure about the others.

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[RBW] Not all that glitters is gold...

[Manuel Acosta]

And so the beautiful summer of San Francisco is upon us...
Meaning foggy, cold and wet. PERect time to go on an overnight in the 
headlands.

Good buddies Tony and Bridgette make their way up from the Peninsula to do 
a quick easy overnight with thoughts of epic shred session afterwords. With 
pedicab rival Aaron joining in for the adventure.

Burritos are a go. Gear is dialed. Everyone is fresh.

We roll through the quite streets of Fisherman's Wharf  to be greeted by 
Karl the Fog as we cross the bridge into our adventures. 

First single track down... disaster strikes. 
Tony with the strength of his umm legs. Bends his saddle rails and pops 
his saddle bolt off. Luckily he finds it in the dark and takes the time to 
screw the bolt on.

He hops back on and the bolt's last threads give and the tiny but ever 
important bolt pings into oblivion darkness never to be found again.
Stuck now we sit around in the dark trying to figure out ways of making 
this work. Good thing Tony brought some extra paracord.   

A couple of knots later and the saddle is ridable. Kinda. With minor 
adjusting every 2 miles. We crawl our way to camp. 
Just to find it drenched. With the fog make it rain feel like rain light 
conditions.

With Aaron in his tent, Tony and Bridgette wrapped in a burrito tarp. There 
was talks about a knife fight for Aaron's tent that never come into 
fruition. 

We wake up wet but take the our time. Sleeping in until the sun came out.

And for one rare morning in San Francisco it actually did.  We sat and 
chilled waiting for our stuff to dry. 

We figured with Tony's saddle and with Bridgette nursing a previous back 
injury we would cancel the day long shred fest for another time. Aaron goes 
on ahead while we cruise and take our time come back home.

It was the great quotes of Mike Williams that really changed my perspective 
on how adventures SHOULD go. And I'm never too sad about missing any 
opportunity to go riding hard. 
While having epic adventures is great. Just spending some time with good 
friends and being able to leave with some stories to tell are just as good.

Always remember good friends, "The trails will always be there. For next 
time."  


Pictures proved that for this overnight Karl the Fog wins:
https://flic.kr/s/aHskfBSejJ


Manny " Thanks Obi-One-Mike for showing me the Way" Acosta



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Re: [RBW] Re: I can't get the shifting dialed in

[clyde canter]

Had a similar thing with the pulleys on the der needing a good cleaning and
re-lube

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Have you tried swapping the top and bottom pulley of your RD? THat solved
> my 9 speed ghosting issues. SOmething about one pulley having more play
> then the other.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
>> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 10:59:32 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm so frustrated with my drive train.
>>
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Re: [RBW] What are these handlebars on Hunq (BLUG CONTENT!)

[Ron Mc]

me and you both - really dig mine

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:56:31 AM UTC-5, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Hey group,  that is my Hunq.   The bars are the Ahearne MAP bars in the 
> slightly wider(61.5cm) version.  Theyre awesome,  but i wish they accepted 
> BE shifters.   As for the saddle tilt,  well Ive tried levelish but it 
> always feels like im sliding forward.   The down tube shifters were put on 
> there in a pinch when I was initially setting it up, I have since put on 
> thumbies.   Hope this clears things up!   -Mike  
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 30, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Eric > 
> wrote:
>
> Curious to know what are these handlebars featured on this Hunq...
>
>
> http://40.media.tumblr.com/3b7bf1968c8406b81532ac6fee2a6dd4/tumblr_npcbr5KRsX1qe3ngpo2_r1_1280.jpg
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding in Greater Muskegon-Newaygo-Grant Michigan Area

[Steven Frederick]

Whoops, not good for me timing-wise.  I'm out.  Thanks for the
consideration though!  Steve

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Palmer  wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Looking like Sunday the 12th at earliest and into the next week. Sunday may 
> be best for most, but I can schedule almost anytime later in week.
> How does Sunday afternoon work for all interested, say 3 pm? I am busy until 
> 2 unfortunately. We can decide a route when a group is formed.
> Reply offlist if you wish- volvotom1964 at gmail dot com
> thanks!
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[RBW] Seattle-to-Portland this weekend?

[Andy Williams]

Any other list members riding the STP next weekend?  

Pictures prove I've done this before:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/7583563786/

Andy

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Re: [RBW] San Marcos vs ES

[Tim Gavin]

I bought a 51 San Marcos for my girlfriend, and she loves it.

The ES and San Marcos are functionally similar.  They're both steel, and
have sport-touring geometry.

But, there are several important differences:
SM frame is lugged Prestige (really nice Riv lugs), ES is welded Prestige
(main triangle) Cro-mo rear end.
SM frame has the double top tube in your size.
SM top tube(s) are sloped more than the ES
SM has more frame reach and stack, so the front end is longer and taller
SM has 10 cm longer chainstays and 1 degree slacker head tube, so probably
a tad more stable handling than the ES
SM fork has mid-fork braze-on mounts for a front rack
SM has a pump peg and a kickstand plate

Clearance:
SM uses long-reach brakes (55-75 mm), the ES uses mid-reach (45-55 mm).
So, even though they are listed as having roughly the same tire clearance,
the SM will have more room for fenders.  By my reading the ES says 32c plus
fenders, and the SM says 35c plus fenders.  I fit 38b plus SKS P45's on my
girlfriend's 650b 51 cm SM.

It's up to you if those differences are important, and if so, if they're
worth $125.

In your situation, I'd pick the San Marcos over the ES any day.  The only
reason I'd pick the ES is if the 63 cm SM is too small and you'd need the
64 cm ES.

Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA




On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:56 AM, a3inverter  wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> I've been interested in the San Marcos (in 63cm) for a year or so now and
> a combination of some aggressive pricing and available fundage has me very
> close to buying one, however, would like to hear from the bunch regarding
> any comparisons to the Soma ES.  The ES is a bit cheaper ($125) and might
> fit slightly bigger tires.
>
> My priorities are:
> A comfortable, well-fitting ride - 94cm PBH here and the 25.5in steel
> Treks that I ride today (460,560,400) have plenty of Technomic showing to
> get to level saddle and bars
> Room for bigger tires - Room for 38c should do.  I had 29x2's on my 62cm
> LHT and while the tires could handle anything, the geometry really didn't
> work for the rough stuff.
> Light-ish - While the LHT did fit, it felt dead and heavy.
>
> Interested in your feedback...Thanks!
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[Surlyprof]

Welcome, Doug.  I used the Sunrace Thumb Shifters for a while with a set of 
Bosco bars.  They worked great.  The only reason I stopped using them is 
that I prefer bar ends with an Albastache set up.  I don't remember any 
correlation between the click of the shifter and the actual shift of the 
derailleur.  I also don't remember that bothering me at all.  It shifts 
when it shifts and, as long as I had the derailleur dialed in, it shifted 
well.  The one thing I have noticed now that I am back to using Silver 
friction shifters, I don't remember ever encountering ghost shifting with 
the Sunrace as I sometimes do on the Silver friction shifters when the 
d-ring gets loose.  The only thing I can assume (pure assumption, mind you) 
is that the ratchet mechanism in the Sunrace shifters helped keep it from 
ghost shifting.  I'm sure it could happen with the Sunrace if it got loose 
but I never encountered that problem.

The build of the Sunrace appears a little plastic-y but they were sturdy 
and worked really well.  Surprisingly well considering an $18 price point 
(still!).  I suppose that is why Rivendell has continued carrying them and 
is spec'ing them on the Clem.  

John

PS:  I also test rode the Clem and it is a smooth and agile ride.  If I had 
the money and the space, the 52cm Clem would likely be my N+1

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:49:22 AM UTC-7, Rider in the Storm wrote:
>
> New member here, first post. I am enjoying this group and appreciate the 
> input from all. I am also considering the Clem Smith Jr. and have a 
> question about the use of index shifters on a bike with friction shifting. 
> The Riv website says it is weird but won't cause issues while riding. I'm 
> looking for your thoughts and whether anyone has any experience with this 
> setup.
>
> Cheers,
> Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Tenkara Erandonee

[Deacon Patrick]

That's wonderful to hear, GAJett! I used to fly fish, but the complexity of 
it has been a barrier since my bludgeoned brain got in the way. The set up 
arrives tomorrow and I look forward to experiencing how simple fishing can 
be with just a rod and line and fly. My plan, like you, is to lash the rod 
to my top tube with Irish straps.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:02:42 AM UTC-6, GAJett wrote:
>
> Not an easier way to carry fishing gear on a bicycle.  I lash my tenkara 
> rod to the top tube, everything else goes in pockets or a butt bag.  About 
> two minutes from dropping the bike by the water and having my line in the 
> water.
> Cheers,
> GAJett
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Re: [RBW] Clementine Believer

[James Warren]

Thanks, Aaron.

One of the pictures,

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/19449664091/in/album-72157655573779841/

shows the bike's seat lying on the ground. I was at Rivendell WC yesterday, and 
I got to ride the Clementine with that seat attached. It's really excellent. 
The brand is Velo; the look is plain and good, and the handle it has off the 
back is nice for two reasons: as a handle as intended or as a place for 
saddlebag attaching. It's wide to optimize the Bosco bar setup, but you don't 
have to spring (!) for the price of a B67. I liked how the inexpensive Velo 
seat felt while riding on it. I kind of want to get one separately.

-Jim W.
Los Angeles, CA (temporarily in Berkeley)


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> Hey Gang,
> 
> I stopped by Rivelo in Portland for the first time recently.  What a great 
> shop with all the bike and camping gear, hatchets, and a entire wall of Bob 
> Dylan albums for sale.  
> 
> It took a minute before I noticed but sitting right next to an orange Cheviot 
> was an orange Clementine.  Or maybe it's a clementine Clementine???
> 
> Shop owner John (nice to meet you!) let me ride the Clementine for a bit.  It 
> was set up with Bosco bars and fat knobby tires.  It was great!  The Hunqa 
> fork goes a long way to making this bike look super tough.
> 
> I admit that based only on internet pics and reading about the 
> Clem/Clementine I was not very impressed.  But it was a whole different story 
> to see it in person and ride it, and now I'm a believer. Even the Clementine 
> with the swooping tubes had a rough/tough/beefy look to it.  Not "girly" at 
> all (hey, I like "girly").  I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Clementine 
> to anyone especially for the price.  Heck, now I'm itching to add one to my 
> band of bicycles.  I'm pretty sure I would even go with a Clementine over the 
> Clem because of the drop tube.
> 
> Here's a few pics from my short shop visit:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/sk8_or_die/XV8E26
> 
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
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[RBW] San Marcos vs ES

[a3inverter]

Greetings all,

I've been interested in the San Marcos (in 63cm) for a year or so now and a 
combination of some aggressive pricing and available fundage has me very 
close to buying one, however, would like to hear from the bunch regarding 
any comparisons to the Soma ES.  The ES is a bit cheaper ($125) and might 
fit slightly bigger tires.

My priorities are:
A comfortable, well-fitting ride - 94cm PBH here and the 25.5in steel Treks 
that I ride today (460,560,400) have plenty of Technomic showing to get to 
level saddle and bars
Room for bigger tires - Room for 38c should do.  I had 29x2's on my 62cm 
LHT and while the tires could handle anything, the geometry really didn't 
work for the rough stuff.
Light-ish - While the LHT did fit, it felt dead and heavy.

Interested in your feedback...Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[Doug Hansford]

Jim,

The wording is this... "
   
   - SHIFTERS: SunRace thumbies. They click but aren’t indexed. Go figga... 
   but they’re re- ally good. Metal."  



On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 3:27:17 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The clicking is probably an internal ratchet mechanism.  On an indexed 
> shifting system, the click of the lever or button corresponds directly to a 
> shift up or down in gearing.  That is not the case here.  The ratchet just 
> reduces the tendency of the lever to move - the cable is under slight 
> tension from the spring in the derailleur.  
>
> Don't really see the phrase you are quoting (the "strange grouping of 
> shifter to gears...") but I'm only going by the Clem page and pdf.
>
> - J
>
>
> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 12:22:37 PM UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> Jim, that does help and I appreciate the response. I am just confused as 
>> to why Riv says it is a strange grouping of shifter to gears. It seems that 
>> you'll hear the click in the shifter but that may not necessarily coincide 
>> with a shift. Anyway, I'm an amateur in this area and am just confused. 
>>
>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 2:02:37 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey there Doug - 
>>>
>>> Welcome to our merry band
>>>
>>> Strictly speaking, there's no such thing as a bike with friction 
>>> shifting.  By that, I mean that it's the shifters themselves which create 
>>> the indexing.  So - as long as derailleur is compatible with the shifting 
>>> mechanism (some systems use 1:1 cable pull, others 2:1) and the shifter has 
>>> as many steps as the number of cogs (8 speed shifters for 8 cogs, 9 for 9, 
>>> 10 for 10, 11 for 11, etc...) it will work.
>>>
>>> If that's what you are comfortable with, then there's no reason not to 
>>> use them.  But, if you have a chance to ride with a simpler, more direct 
>>> connection like the silver or other shifters, you may find it more 
>>> intuitive and simpler.  I've found that the most indexed systems tend to 
>>> start shifting well and then slouch towards entropy.  Kind of feel that you 
>>> end up tweaking and tending to rather than riding (especially if you tend 
>>> to ride in a variety of conditions and terrain).  There are plenty of RBW 
>>> riders who have Shimano or Campagnolo shifters on their rigs.  
>>>
>>> hope that helps!
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:49:22 AM UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:

 New member here, first post. I am enjoying this group and appreciate 
 the input from all. I am also considering the Clem Smith Jr. and have a 
 question about the use of index shifters on a bike with friction shifting. 
 The Riv website says it is weird but won't cause issues while riding. I'm 
 looking for your thoughts and whether anyone has any experience with this 
 setup.

 Cheers,
 Doug

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[Ginz]

Has anyone tried the Sunrace shifters?  I like a good ratcheting 
mechanism...I assume that's what we are talking about, not a 
thunk-thunk-thunk like Shimano Barcons.

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Albatross Alloy

[Steve Cole]

I'm looking for good, used Nitto Albatross Alloy handlebars.  Please PM if 
you have one for sale.

Thanks,

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Cromo Albatross bars

['john elliott' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a set.  They are on my bike at the moment, but I've been thinking 
about switching to bosco bars..

so, I cut about an inch off of each end.  otherwise they are great. Is 
that a deal breaker?

If you are still interested let me know, make me an offer?

Where are you located?  I'm in SF.


john

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:49:22 AM UTC-7, Rory Woods wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I'm looking to make my road bike more comfortable and I thought I'd see if 
> anyone had an extra set here before shelling or for new ones. 
>
> Please PM me if you do. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Rory 

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[RBW] Re: Cambium bartape.

[Arthur Mayfield]

According to Brooks, it's been given the same water resistant treatment as 
the saddles, so shouldn't need shellac. I tried it early on, in the natural 
color. I found it to be exceedingly stiff and hard to wrap. It has no 
stretch at all, so edges tend to stand proud of the layer underneath. It's 
also not a bit "cush," and its stiffness makes it difficult to wrap over 
any cushioning material. I soon took it off and re-installed my stitched 
elk hide covers over inner tube underwraps, which I love—Doubt I'll stray 
again!

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 6:50:42 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Anyone have it? Shellaced it? How is it? wallbike.com sells it.
>

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[RBW] Re: I can't get the shifting dialed in

[Arthur Mayfield]

One thought... Are you sure the little black plastic Dia Compe washer under 
the D ring is mounted correctly (notch in slot)? It's really easy for it to 
slip out when installing the shifter and trying to hold all the pieces in 
place while screwing the bolt in. If the washer isn't in right, the shifter 
will act up, ghost shift, loosen, and generally be a PITA.

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 10:59:32 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> I'm so frustrated with my drive train. I had Shimano 9 speed bar ends with 
> a front triple. They worked great in index mode. The indexing got finicky 
> so I switched to friction. It worked well for a bit then the "ghost 
> shifting" started. I switched to Silver bar ends. They feel great but I 
> just can't get them dialed in. I've worked on it it, I took it to my LBS 
> and they tuned it up, but it still doesn't shift right. I had them check 
> for a bent derailer hanger and they said it wasn't. When I shift to the two 
> or three lowest (biggest) cogs, it will not stay on that cog. The problem 
> is worse when I am going from higher to lower gear. If I mess with the 
> shifter it will finally stay in gear, but it's really frustrating, 
> especially when riding lots of rollers. I can't descend a roller and then 
> hit the gear I need for the climb. It always skips out. If I do slight 
> adjustments to the cable tension the best I can do is move the problem from 
> the lowest end of the gears to the middle part. It's driving me crazy! By 
> the way, all of the parts, chain rings, cassette, and chain, are new (they 
> were all bought at the same time and now have around 1500-1700km on them. 
> Any ideas? Please!?!?

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[RBW] Re: Tenkara Erandonee

[GAJett]

Not an easier way to carry fishing gear on a bicycle.  I lash my tenkara 
rod to the top tube, everything else goes in pockets or a butt bag.  About 
two minutes from dropping the bike by the water and having my line in the 
water.
Cheers,
GAJett

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 9:26:11 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Gearing up for tenkara fishing on wee mountain streams. 
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/19474063151/in/dateposted-public/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Riding in Greater Muskegon-Newaygo-Grant Michigan Area

[Palmer]

Hi Steve,
Looking like Sunday the 12th at earliest and into the next week. Sunday may be 
best for most, but I can schedule almost anytime later in week.
How does Sunday afternoon work for all interested, say 3 pm? I am busy until 2 
unfortunately. We can decide a route when a group is formed.
Reply offlist if you wish- volvotom1964 at gmail dot com
thanks!
Palmer

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[RBW] Re: Ram as 650 tourer?!?

[Leslie]

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:41:07 AM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>
> FYI - I've covered this in other threads on the topic, but the long reach 
> Tektros would not reach a 650b A23 rim on my orange Ram. The front was fine 
> but the rear wasn't, even if I had filed the slots.
>
> I was forced to go with DC 750s (and I ultimately switched back to 700c as 
> I preferred the bike that way).
>
> KJ
>


Excellent point:  just because my Ram could, doesn't mean they all could... 
that rear brake bridge's location matters, can make it happen, or not 
happen.

I like my 42 650b tires on my Ram; when I was running it as 700c, the 
largest I ever ran was a 32, which was fine, but I like the 42s better.
If I needed to go back to 700c for some reason I would probably go up to 
35's, but then have to remove the fenders... 

If I was a hundred pounds lighter, I might not have as much of a preference 
for the 42's over the 32's, either  

Lots of things to consider


 

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[RBW] Clementine Believer

[Aaron Young]

Hey Gang,

I stopped by Rivelo in Portland for the first time recently.  What a great
shop with all the bike and camping gear, hatchets, and a entire wall of Bob
Dylan albums for sale.

It took a minute before I noticed but sitting right next to an orange
Cheviot was an orange Clementine.  Or maybe it's a clementine Clementine???

Shop owner John (nice to meet you!) let me ride the Clementine for a bit.
It was set up with Bosco bars and fat knobby tires.  It was great!  The
Hunqa fork goes a long way to making this bike look super tough.

I admit that based only on internet pics and reading about the
Clem/Clementine I was not very impressed.  But it was a whole different
story to see it in person and ride it, and now I'm a believer. Even the
Clementine with the swooping tubes had a rough/tough/beefy look to it.  Not
"girly" at all (hey, I like "girly").  I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the
Clementine to anyone especially for the price.  Heck, now I'm itching to
add one to my band of bicycles.  I'm pretty sure I would even go with a
Clementine over the Clem because of the drop tube.

Here's a few pics from my short shop visit:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/sk8_or_die/XV8E26

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

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[RBW] Re: Ram as 650 tourer?!?

[Kieran J]

FYI - I've covered this in other threads on the topic, but the long reach 
Tektros would not reach a 650b A23 rim on my orange Ram. The front was fine 
but the rear wasn't, even if I had filed the slots.

I was forced to go with DC 750s (and I ultimately switched back to 700c as 
I preferred the bike that way).

KJ


On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>
> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 7:20:19 PM UTC-4, Beardpapa wrote:
>>
>> What brakes did you use for the conversion?
>
>
> I switched from 538's to 559's. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Riding in Greater Muskegon-Newaygo-Grant Michigan Area

[stevef]

What dates are we talking?  I'm not too far away from there to join in if 
it becomes a group thang...

Steve, East Lansing, MI

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 11:16:01 AM UTC-4, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> Is it worth hauling one of Rivs 14 hours to ride out there?  I'm visiting 
> my in-laws.  Any good rides to recommend on pavement or dirt roads? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Ram as 650 tourer?!?

[Leslie]

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 7:20:19 PM UTC-4, Beardpapa wrote:
>
> What brakes did you use for the conversion?


I switched from 538's to 559's. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA eBay Riv frame

[Johnny Alien]

I am not sure I understand the logic.  When there is a double bid from one 
person it is almost always to increase their max bid and it does not raise 
their initial bid. I honestly can't think of another reason to do it. 
Anyone that wants that frame will either bid until they get the highest or 
put their absolute highest amount in at the last second aka sniping.  In 
either scenario the first bidder bidding twice does not change anything but 
the max amount they are willing to go.  I think the best way is to just bid 
at the end but others feel differently.  But tipping the hand means nothing 
to people that bid at the end.  They will just enter their max amount and 
snipe it.

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 7:41:43 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Peter, 
> I will merely agree to disagree.  Yes it would be beneficial to be able to 
> lower your max bid if that chances throughout the auction. 
>
> If the lead bidder is indeed raising her or his bid to avoid getting 
> "sniped" out at the end, I agree there is no harm in that. 
>
> However, if s/he happens to be the leading bidder at the initial bid or 
> reserve amount and hoped to score it at that minimum amount, like I 
> frequently do, then I stand behind my assertion that s/he tipped her/his 
> hand and could be unnecessarily bid up past the 1st bid with no risk to the 
> "individual increasing the bid".   
>
> I would illustrate precisely how, but would rather see a beautiful bargain 
> Riv find a new happy home, since I lost interest in the frame due to 
> several emails with the seller and the tire limitation of the fork. 
>
> Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Cambium bartape.

[Philip Kim]

No shellac really required, but took a bit to get it on right as the tape 
is pretty stiff. Tape is also pretty thin so I would tape a layer of cotton 
taper before wrapping the cambium tape.

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 6:50:42 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Anyone have it? Shellaced it? How is it? wallbike.com sells it.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA eBay Riv frame

[Fullylugged]

Looks like a Road (pre "Road Standard") from 1995. Note the lack of 
headtube extension and the level TT. The bike has a Waterford fork with 
Henry James crown, while some others have a bi-plane up top. It's a great 
bike.

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 4:42:53 PM UTC-5, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Is anyone the leading bidder on this frame.   
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-58cm-Handmade-Waterford-Prototype-/111707168495
>  
>
> I was going to offer checking it out for anyone interested since I am only 
> several miles away but the seller claimed he already boxed it up. 
>
> Only bidder just raised his bid which announces to the world he 
> essentially "outbid" himself which is a flaw with eBay auction process. 
>  Anyone can slowly raise bids with no risk of ending up with the item and 
> find where the leader bidder maxes out. 
>
> Ryan

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Brooks b17, snowpeak, nitto , front rack

[drew]

bump
and mug, wedge, stem sold.  still have/offers welcome on

brooks b17 
lklm rack
filson dry duffle backpack  

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