[RBW] Re: Childrens' bikes

[Philip Williamson]

I had great fun with a Redline "Junior" BMX race bike for my kid, and sold 
it for half what I paid for it. If I'd bought it used, I would have 
probably spent net zero for a few years of use. Light. Fast. Actually 
raceable if your child can handle the noise and testosterone of BMX tracks 
(mine could not - didn't care about winning, hated the gate noise, thought 
the other dads were dicks). 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:38:08 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
> There was a thread a while back about kids' bikes.  A close friend is 
> looking for a recommendation for a 20" wheel bike for a 6 year old who is 
> very comfortable riding 5 miles and whose parents are looking for a higher 
> quality bike than the department store 16" bike she's riding now.  Any 
> suggestions?
>
>  
>
> Riv content:  Well, how about the unavailability of the 
> considered-but-discarded Riv Rosco Bubbe?
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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[cyclotourist]

Looks like it used to be a town, anyway! Great bit of adventure there, Paul.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> a) Beautiful pictures, and an inspiring looking ride.
> b) There's a town called FARMVILLE? Awesome.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:19:21 PM UTC-7, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>> On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified
>> version of Meade Anderson's "Lee's Retreat" ride, along the lightly-used
>> Civil War motor route. The new 55cm black & cream Sam Hillborne tourer with
>> a new front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!
>>
>> I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge:
>>
>>
>> http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information
>>
>> Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox
>> Court House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section
>> for the day.
>>
>> Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for morning
>> light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on
>> gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and
>> Pamplin City, a "ghost town", the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail
>> 20 miles to my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.
>>
>> Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing around the
>> park and a couple side trips for sightseeing.
>>
>> With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, who
>> could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is very pretty, low
>>  traffic and quickly becoming one of my favorites within striking
>> distance from Richmond, Va. I can recommend the area for anyone within
>> 100 miles of Farmville or Appomattox.
>>
>> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759
>> *
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
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[RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[Philip Williamson]

a) Beautiful pictures, and an inspiring looking ride. 
b) There's a town called FARMVILLE? Awesome. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:19:21 PM UTC-7, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified 
> version of Meade Anderson's "Lee's Retreat" ride, along the lightly-used 
> Civil War motor route. The new 55cm black & cream Sam Hillborne tourer with 
> a new front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!
>
> I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge:
>
>
> http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information
>
> Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox Court 
> House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section for 
> the day.
>
> Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for morning 
> light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on 
> gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and 
> Pamplin City, a "ghost town", the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail 
> 20 miles to my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.
>
> Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing around the 
> park and a couple side trips for sightseeing.
>
> With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, who 
> could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is very pretty, low  
> traffic 
> and quickly becoming one of my favorites within striking distance from 
> Richmond, Va. I can recommend the area for anyone within 100 miles of 
> Farmville or Appomattox.
>
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759 
> *
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[Lungimsam]

Coasting uphill outside of Mamers?!?!
I asked my local Rando club if anyone noticed it. Will report back if any did.

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[RBW] Re: Chauncey-modified 2003 Curt

[Philip Williamson]

Oh I'm impressed. Aside from the nice mods, the bartape and Banzer bag are 
pretty sweet. 
The unexpected sizes of wheels, headtube, chainring, keep the eye moving 
around the whole machine, and it's one of my favorite colors. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:44:45 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I was at building it up from noon until 6 pm, and, not having eaten 
> anything, I only rode to and from Sprouts to get dinner, 12 miles rt.
>
> The Kojaks do feel more draggy than the Elk Passes -- or maybe that was 
> the SON Deluxe with headlight and tail light.
>
> I appreciate better the experience and planning that is needed to 
> integrate fenders, lights, and other equipment. The rear rack is the 3d 
> Chauncey has made for me, and I think he's got it right this time; though I 
> could make a couple of improvements even to this one.
>
> When I gave him the brazing list, I neglected to explain how the tail 
> light hooks up to the Edeluxe lamp, and not directly to the dynamo. 
> Fortunately, despite the rather thick Edeluxe cable, I was able to force a 
> second, thinner one through the fender/rack strut using a single wire from 
> a brake cable. It's not ideal, but it seems to work.
>
> Also, I didn't think of the rear light cable routing between crown and top 
> tube -- I should have had guides brazed along the right side of the head 
> tube. Oh well, the brake housing works well enough.
>
> The wires run from the Edeluxe down the right strut to the SON Deluxe, 
> where the headlamp clips to the terminals and the rear lamp wire runs to 
> guides along the fork leg to crown, where it detours to the brake housing 
> and thence to guides along the top tube; thence to guides along the right 
> seatstay, enters the central rack tube where it exits handily just for'ard 
> of the rear lamp. 
>
> Overall, the wire's routing is far, far neater than before and I'm very 
> pleased with it.
>
> I now have a rear brake for the first time since 2006, for the freewheel I 
> installed on the flip side of the Surly hub. Eventually, God willing, I'll 
> get that S3X or, perhaps -- I am thinking -- a SA kickback; as long as my 
> dropouts will accommodate a 23 t cog in back -- and I think they will.
>
> Right now: a 17/19 Dingle and a 18 t freewheel (70", 63", 66" with the 48 
> t ring and a 24.8" wheel. A kickback would give me ~52" direct and ~69" 
> overdrive (assuming I am right in believing that overdrive is 33%).
>
> I botched the rear Berthoud 45 mm fender and need to replace it.
>
> Does anyone have a stainless steel, 45 mm orphan fender to sell cheap? I 
> can use either front or rear, as I plan to amputate the rear fender just 
> aft of the rear rack -- this will obviate hassles with an axle moving far 
> enough along the dropout to accommodate a 7 or 8 tooth difference in cog 
> teeth.
>
> I also stripped the threads in the boss on the underside of the rear brake 
> bridge, but that's fine, I'll just use a "L" bracket to mount the rear to 
> the brake mounting bolt.
>
> The powdercoat is quite good -- the complex curlicue lug definition is as 
> sharp as under paint, and the wire guides are free from any clogging. The 
> color is rather more brown than the wonderful, original sage green, but 
> it's still a pleasant color -- a *nice* pea soup color -- and a neighbor 
> stopped by to compliment me on it.
>
> The black/silver aesthetic is not my first choice; it's dictated by the 
> Equalizer rims, which don't come in silver, alas. But I don't think it 
> looks bad; and I do have my gofast for the retro all-silver aesthetic.
>
> I replaced the Lizard Skin bar tape after ~3K miles with "Fizik"; the 
> Lizard Skin was wearing out on the ramps. I find the thinner LS very 
> comfortable; the Fizik is much plumper, but it feels good and it costs 37% 
> less than the LS. (I don't wear gloves except in cold weather.)
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> I've got a bulk order of Elk Passes on the way, and I will convert when 
> they arrive.
>
> So far, so good! Alhamdulillah!
>
>
> -- 
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> Other professional writing services.
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>
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> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
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> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
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[RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[Ryan Thompson]

Looks great Paul.  I've always wanted to ride the High Bridge Trail.  Maybe 
after I finish building up the Sam you sold me my son and will drive down 
from DC and check it out.

Ryan

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:19:21 PM UTC-4, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified 
> version of Meade Anderson's "Lee's Retreat" ride, along the lightly-used 
> Civil War motor route. The new 55cm black & cream Sam Hillborne tourer with 
> a new front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!
>
> I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge:
>
>
> http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information
>
> Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox Court 
> House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section for 
> the day.
>
> Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for morning 
> light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on 
> gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and 
> Pamplin City, a "ghost town", the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail 
> 20 miles to my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.
>
> Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing around the 
> park and a couple side trips for sightseeing.
>
> With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, who 
> could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is very pretty, low  
> traffic 
> and quickly becoming one of my favorites within striking distance from 
> Richmond, Va. I can recommend the area for anyone within 100 miles of 
> Farmville or Appomattox.
>
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759 
> *
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Tubus Tara Front Rack plus mid-fork eyelts

[dstein]

I bought these July, mounted them for 2 overnighters, and took them off. 
They have a few scratches from me trying to mount them. But otherwise are 
structurally sound and very new. I have the hook attachment for the bottom, 
as well as the mid-fork eyelets mount (that is still in the package).

I bought these from Bike Bag Shop for 120 (rack), 24 (eyelet) and 8 (hook). 
I'll ship the rack for $90 w/ the hooks, $105 w/ the eyelets.

This is the black rack

   - Tubus Tara Front Rack 
   
   - Tubus Mid-Fork Eyelets for Tara and Ergo 
   


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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[Tony DeFilippo]

Paul thanks for sharing!

About 3 years ago my wife and I stumbled onto the High Bridge trail for a 
day trip very early in my 'discovery' of biking.




We found the 'rolling hills' on the surrounding roads to be a bit 
aggressive for our skills on that day and were happy to find the rail trail 
and the dramatic bridge crossing.  


Some of your flickr pictures hint at it but I'd love to see a google map or 
ride w/ gps file of your route for future reference!

Tony



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[RBW] Re: FS: Heron Touring, very nice

[michael sellers]

Olaf,What is the current asking price? I wasn't sure if the price in the 
printed pages was the original or current asking price? Thanks,Mike S.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 9:48:23 AM UTC-5, Olof Stroh wrote:
>
> Bobs, Phreds and RBWers!
>
>  
>
> In spring I tried to sell my beloved Heron Touring on the lists. Didn´t 
> work. Lowered price, didn´t work. Now I have decided to lower the price 
> with another $500. If it doesn´t sell for that I can as well keep it.
>
>  
>
> The bike is a 61 cm Heron Touring from Rivendell in excellent shape with 
> first class items. DB Reynolds 531. Geometry identical and quality same as 
> the Atlantis. More text and photos added.
>
>  
>
> Come on folks! This is half the price of a bare Atlantis frame!
>
>  
>
> Olof Stroh
>
> Uppsala Sweden
>
>  
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Re: [RBW] Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[cyclotourist]

Just awesome to read!

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Iron Rider <1000...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> For those who may be interested:
>
>
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2015/08/living-dream-one-account-of-paris-brest.html
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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Nelson Long Flap

[Tony DeFilippo]

I've got a version of this bag myself and love it.  I even crammed a laptop 
in it on occasion before I rigged up my Saddlesack Medium as the regular 
commuting bag.  But for anything other than commuting I've found it to be a 
great single bag to take for a long day on the bike where I don't want to 
be stingy about what I pack.  

There was a thread last week about carrying a dslr camera... this bag does 
the job fine for me w/ my D600 plus a lens or two plus some padding.  The 
side pockets make it easy to keep my tools out of the way of the in-and-out 
luggage.

Looks classy to!

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[RBW] Re: Childrens' bikes

[Ryan Thompson]

I just bought a Beinn Large for my 6 year old and he rode over 7 miles the 
other day with me.  He loves it.

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 1:38:08 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> There was a thread a while back about kids' bikes.  A close friend is 
> looking for a recommendation for a 20" wheel bike for a 6 year old who is 
> very comfortable riding 5 miles and whose parents are looking for a higher 
> quality bike than the department store 16" bike she's riding now.  Any 
> suggestions?
>
>  
>
> Riv content:  Well, how about the unavailability of the 
> considered-but-discarded Riv Rosco Bubbe?
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Rivendell Hunq

[Kellie]

Didn't you just buy that recently?

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 4:08:37 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> hey group,   For sale is a barely used 58cm Riv Hunq.   Sale includes 
> frame/ fork/ headset/ seatpost/ BB.   It is an awesome, awesome bike,  but 
> I also own an Atlantis and too much overlap. Asking $1500, buyer pays 
> packing/ shipping.  Please contact off list.   Thanks!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[Tony DeFilippo]

'frivolous lumbersexual purchase'

Three words I was not expecting to read tonight... :) Almost makes me want 
to order a GB hatchet right now!

I admire the craftsmanship of the hatchet's Riv sells, and the simplicity 
of the hand axe as a basic tool of human's existence for literally millions 
of years is pretty easy to romanticize.  At least it is for me!

I'd definitely agree there is a fairly tenuous link between hatchet use and 
the vast majority of my bike mileage but that doesn't make it any less fun.

Tony
(going out to sharpen my estwing)

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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[Bill M.]

I use one for splitting firewood and making kindling when we go camping. 
 Wouldn't normally carry one on a bike, though, that's strictly car camping.

Bill

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I am not a gun control guy. But what is the deal with hatchets?
>

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[RBW] Re: Childrens' bikes

[Justin August]

SOMA Bart and Lisa?

-J

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Re: [RBW] Next Bomba Tire

['Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Plus one on the thunder burt recommendation. Love em. Replaced compass babyshoe 
pass on my elephant NFE and the difference in speed is hardly noticeable, but 
the improvement in comfort over bumps is distinct. Compared with compass at 
least I've found them to be quite long wearing all the things considered. All 
that being said once these wear out I may make the change to compass switchback 
hills. Doing my best not to buy new bike things unless it's replacing something 
that's worn out. 

Hudson in atx. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Nelson Long Flap

[Kellie]

Here's a photo from yesterday; the actual bag on my Cheviot.




On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 8:33:48 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> Asking $95. I'm in the East Bay (SF). Green, in excellent condition; new 
> ones cost $130, plus shipping. With the long flap the top folds under for 
> smaller loads but can be extended to wrap around larger ones. Love it; just 
> a little too big for my needs.
>
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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Michael Hechmer]

Thanks Manny.  I owe my life to Paul's and that is my default position, but 
the Rodriguez design is very interesting and their overall comparison of V 
brakes, disk brakes, and cantis rings true for me.  Except for the part 
about ease of setup.  I have found some cantis really easy and some to be 
nightmarishly difficult.  I suppose if you work in a shop you get past 
that.  I'll need to ponder this.

Michael

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 6:19:35 PM UTC-4, T.O.M. wrote:
>
> Here's another option (Canti's) from Rodriguez Cycles: 
> http://www.rodbikes.com/articles/bigsqueeze.html  Seem to have lots of 
> fender clearance and perhaps allow  use of your current levers.  We've not 
> tried them thus can not provide any opinion on their effectiveness. 
>
> Our non-Riv-type tandem runs BB7 disc brakes, they're great.  Do have the 
> Moto Lites that we briefly used on the tandem's OE wheels while we were 
> sorting out rim failures with the disc brake wheels. The Moto's performed 
> quite well while they were on; wet or dry conditions.  Much better than the 
> (Tektro?) OE V-Brakes the bike came with. Must say though, we don't run 
> fenders or do any loaded touring. YMMV
>
> T.O.M. (The Other Manny)
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
>> I have decide to get our tandem repainted over the winter and as part of 
>> that am considering moving from the Paul's Racer (studded) brakes to either 
>> Mini Motos or  Neo Retros.  I want to  increase brake clearance from the 
>> 38MM w/fenders of the ctr pulls, which otherwise 
>> ...
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Rivendell Hunq

[Michael Williams]

hey group,   For sale is a barely used 58cm Riv Hunq.   Sale includes frame/ 
fork/ headset/ seatpost/ BB.   It is an awesome, awesome bike,  but I also own 
an Atlantis and too much overlap. Asking $1500, buyer pays packing/ shipping.  
Please contact off list.   Thanks!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Michael Hechmer]

Mark, I'm disinclined to dispute someones personal experience, but yours 
doesn't match mine. I wonder if your experience comes from set up.  The 
neos want a hi straddle cable and the touring a very low one. This makes 
sense to me from my, admittedly limited, knowledge of Newtonian Physics. I 
have never used the touring cantis but have had a pair of neos on a pair of 
singles for many years.  They can easily lift my rear wheel off the ground 
and stop my bike in short order.

In addition the Paul's site says this about the neos:

These are very powerful brakes and have a tendency to over power thin tubed 
frames (in any material). For none-  too-stout frames and forks we 
recommend our Touring Canti .

And this about the touring canti:

The Touring Canti is a powerful cantilever brake with a similar design to 
the Neo-Retro , but with 
the arms angled upward. This gives the brake a much narrower profile 
without significantly reducing stopping power. 

I'm 71, and together the tandem team is 140, so we are not thrill seekers. 
 We ride the hills of Vt unloaded quite successfully with theRacers on our 
tandem and tour in gentler terrain with the tandem fully loaded.  I'm 
looking for increased tire clearance w/out any loss of power.

Peace,
Michael




On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:15:22 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> No way Neo Retro's on a tandem in my opinion. I have the neo-retros on my 
> CX bike and the touring canit's on my Atlantis. The touring canti's have 
> substantially more stopping power than the neo retros. However, they still 
> aren't anywhere near what I'd consider safe when descending a steep 
> hill/mountain with a heavy load, particularly in the rain. 
>
> Mini motos would have tons more stopping power than the canti's, but 
> fender clearance would be the bit challenge as the cable is quite low. As 
> was mentioned, the moto-lite's would ensure you can use basically any tire 
> you want (with a fender) and have the most stopping power of any Paul 
> brake. Just need to have a long-pull brake lever.
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Mini-Motos have excellent stopping power, are easy to set up and look 
>> very good.  I was not able to get the front brake to work over a fender 
>> however as the cable between the two sides is relatively low compared to 
>> other Mini-Motos.  I did not want to use cantis so wound up using TRP 
>> mini-vs instead.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Julian]

Interesting. I've heard good things about Paul cantilevers, but is there 
something about the Paul cantilever designs that is problematic for tandem 
use, or are you saying you feel cantilevers in general are not tandem 
suitable? 

I run cantilevers (vintage Suntour XC Pros) on a custom 650b Bilenky tandem 
and have great stopping power -- we're a big team (I'm 6'7, 240 lbs, my 
stoker is small, 5'3", 110 lbs) but have no issues with those in normal 
use. We do have a drum brake we add for loaded self-supported tent-camping 
touring with a trailer, but cantilevers alone are fine when unloaded -- not 
only here in flat IL, but in trips in Western PA and in CO. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 9:15:22 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> No way Neo Retro's on a tandem in my opinion. I have the neo-retros on my 
> CX bike and the touring canit's on my Atlantis. The touring canti's have 
> substantially more stopping power than the neo retros. However, they still 
> aren't anywhere near what I'd consider safe when descending a steep 
> hill/mountain with a heavy load, particularly in the rain. 
>
> Mini motos would have tons more stopping power than the canti's, but 
> fender clearance would be the bit challenge as the cable is quite low. As 
> was mentioned, the moto-lite's would ensure you can use basically any tire 
> you want (with a fender) and have the most stopping power of any Paul 
> brake. Just need to have a long-pull brake lever.
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Mini-Motos have excellent stopping power, are easy to set up and look 
>> very good.  I was not able to get the front brake to work over a fender 
>> however as the cable between the two sides is relatively low compared to 
>> other Mini-Motos.  I did not want to use cantis so wound up using TRP 
>> mini-vs instead.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[T.O.M.]

Here's another option (Canti's) from Rodriguez Cycles: 
http://www.rodbikes.com/articles/bigsqueeze.html  Seem to have lots of 
fender clearance and perhaps allow  use of your current levers.  We've not 
tried them thus can not provide any opinion on their effectiveness. 

Our non-Riv-type tandem runs BB7 disc brakes, they're great.  Do have the 
Moto Lites that we briefly used on the tandem's OE wheels while we were 
sorting out rim failures with the disc brake wheels. The Moto's performed 
quite well while they were on; wet or dry conditions.  Much better than the 
(Tektro?) OE V-Brakes the bike came with. Must say though, we don't run 
fenders or do any loaded touring. YMMV

T.O.M. (The Other Manny)

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

> I have decide to get our tandem repainted over the winter and as part of 
> that am considering moving from the Paul's Racer (studded) brakes to either 
> Mini Motos or  Neo Retros.  I want to  increase brake clearance from the 
> 38MM w/fenders of the ctr pulls, which otherwise 
> ...
>

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[RBW] Dessert under the eaves - Rivelo PDX - Thursday

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

It’s a simple plan… 

Vegan dessert cooked in a dutch oven

Thursday (9/3) 

Rivelo - 401 SE Caruthers, Portland, OR

Dishing up sweetness about 6pm. 

Feel free to come early while the thing is cooking. 

BYO plate/bowl/spork

BYO coffee

BYO beer

There’s a chance of showers but the Rivelo building has generous eaves to 
hide under. 


Ride is not a loop. 

Ride ends near transit. 

Queue sheets not provided.

Not EBDJ certified.

Special prize to person who eats the most burned bits on the bottom of the 
pan. 

If you don't know your PBH, experts will be standing by to measure it for 
you. 


See you Thursday. 

--Smitty


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[RBW] Re: How to get out Brooks sit bone divets sop the rear frame down;t dig into my rear end.

[Lungimsam]

Thanks for the advice, y'all.
I guess I'll have to tension, proofhide and see what happens. maybe lace if 
need to.

@Michael: That is an interesting idea. Thudbuster. Then I could just get a 
slotted cambium and not have to worry about having to only get a sprung 
saddle. Plus the Cambium removes the wetness damage issue. I'll keep the 
thudbuster option in mind.

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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Patrick!


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-Original Message-
From: Deacon Patrick 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 5:45 pm
Subject: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter


 
Sweet! Thank you for the photos!  
   
  
  
With abandon,  
  
Patrick   
   
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 8:19:21 PM UTC-6, Bikie#4646 wrote:   

 
  
   
On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified 
version of Meade Anderson's "Lee's Retreat" ride, along the lightly-used Civil 
War motor route. The new 55cm black & cream Sam Hillborne tourer with a new 
front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!   
   

   
   
I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge
:   
   

   
   

http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information
   
   

   
   
Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox 
Court House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section for 
the day.   
   

   
   
Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for 
morning light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on 
gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and Pamplin 
City, a "ghost town", the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail 20 miles to 
my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.   
   

   
   
Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing 
around the park and a couple side trips for sightseeing.   
   

   
   
With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, 
who could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is 
very pretty, low  traffic and quickly becoming one of my 
favorites within striking distance from Richmond, Va. I can 
recommend the area for anyone within 100 miles of Farmville or 
Appomattox.   
  
  
   
  
  
   https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759
  
  
   
  
  
   Paul Germain  
  
   Midlothian, Va.  
  
   
  
 
 
   

   
  
 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Many thanks Jon!


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-Original Message-
From: Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 5:38 pm
Subject: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter


 
  
Paul,  
  
Thanks for sharing your trip through VA. Just beautiful. I'm glad you had good 
weather.  
  
Love that Sam. Beautifully dressed!  
  
Jon   
   
  
  
   

 
  
 


 
   
  
 
  
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[RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet! Thank you for the photos!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 8:19:21 PM UTC-6, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified 
> version of Meade Anderson's "Lee's Retreat" ride, along the lightly-used 
> Civil War motor route. The new 55cm black & cream Sam Hillborne tourer with 
> a new front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!
>
> I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge:
>
>
> http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information
>
> Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox Court 
> House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section for 
> the day.
>
> Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for morning 
> light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on 
> gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and 
> Pamplin City, a "ghost town", the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail 
> 20 miles to my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.
>
> Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing around the 
> park and a couple side trips for sightseeing.
>
> With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, who 
> could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is very pretty, low  
> traffic 
> and quickly becoming one of my favorites within striking distance from 
> Richmond, Va. I can recommend the area for anyone within 100 miles of 
> Farmville or Appomattox.
>
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759 
> *
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Paul,
Thanks for sharing your trip through VA. Just beautiful. I'm glad you had 
good weather.
Love that Sam. Beautifully dressed!
Jon


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[RBW] Re: How was your PBP?

[Iron Rider]

It was an amazing experience. I rode my A. Homer Hilsen. The ride report is 
posted on the page as a new topic.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I know some of you were talking about it. Just wondering how you made out.
>

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[RBW] Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[Iron Rider]

For those who may be interested:

http://eprider.blogspot.com/2015/08/living-dream-one-account-of-paris-brest.html

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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[Daniel D.]

They're useful tools, for some.  But I'm not of them :p.  That's why I'm 
scared to visit rbbh.  I've always wanted a wetterling or GB axe or 
hatchet.  But for me would be a really frivolous lumbersexual purchase...


On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> But what is the deal with hatchets?
>

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[RBW] Re: Decisions, decisions.

[ascpgh]

The ghost of weather past loomed heavy in my mind, or maybe the experience 
of degraded braking in the pouring rain of the past event, so I took the 
commuter. It seemed like a good plan for an hour or so, benign for a few 
hours after that and not the right choice for the last hour.

I realized too late that I was not spending adequate effort documenting by 
pictures, my efforts were being concentrated on pedaling. I did spend a lot 
of time with riders who've never ridden the places, distances or hills 
which we were. I was surprised by the determination displayed by the many 
part time riders. 

Route: 
http://pedalpgh.org/the-ride/pj-dick-trumbull-and-lindy-paving-metric-century/

Since I was riding my commuter had adequate supplies for my own support (in 
event of worst case weather) and helped a rider with a flat who had no tube 
patch or pump. He marveled at my frame pump (that's twice in two weeks!) 
exclaiming "what's that?" I handed off a couple Clif Bars and water bottles 
to a couple who were near bonking a few hundred yards short of a hill top 
and a downhill to a rest stop. 

The upside of my bike choice was that it really goes downhill and handled 
with no fear on the 700 x 38c Marathons. It helped that the route seemed to 
tie together many legs of rides our little Tuesday evening group takes so 
each piece was very familiar territory. 

Next time I'll err toward the Ram. The difference in fatigue between a bike 
that planes and one that doesn't was very evident, the Disc Trucker took it 
out of me with   its lack of suppleness, without a doubt. I can say I had 
fatigue in my knees and thighs that I don't have after long rides on the 
Rambouillet.

One interesting interaction was as I came up a steep approach to a red 
stoplight at a junction with a road where we were to turn left and one of 
the self-congradualatory group commented that the sensor wasn't tripping 
because all of them were on carbon fiber bikes. Probably just  timed light 
but once green I  just rode around them and uphill for the next mile, never 
to be seen again. Some thoughts are better left unsaid. 

A more leisurely time planned for the next, more pictures on route. Here's 
what I've got: https://goo.gl/photos/nxTr2hwvsbUNfF13A

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

 
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:45:32 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> As a bit a weather junkie myself , I go to various radars all the time .  
> Being just East of you we know how often it rains/snows here , the 
> Northwest US has no corner on rainy/snowy/cloudy days !   Countless times 
> though these green blobs on radar turn out to be just light rain and/or 
> sprinkles , sometimes not even that .  By now you're riding and it appears 
> the blob is already gone, so ride on and take many pictures !   
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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Tony DeFilippo]

Interesting thread to me!  I've got a Burley canti-braked tandem and a pair 
of Moto-Lite brakes I've been considering trying.  Actually the wait has 
been getting the 700C from 27" wheel conversion, 38mm tire install and 
fender install complete to make sure I retain enough clearance...

I'm only missing the fender install but they are in the garage now to so 
I'm about out of excuses...  I'll need to re-run cable housing/replace the 
cable housing of course which is a pain and I'll need to get some 
appropriate levers.  I'll try to move it up on the priority list so I can 
give you some feedback Michael!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bullmoose

[jandrews_nyc]

I thought that might get someone...
I don't have a photo of it in it's current configuration and it's actually 
in between being a 3 speed and a soon to be 10 speed.
I had a rear wheel built with the Paul Jono hub in 120mm config with an old 
Suntour 5 speed freewheel.
Here's a photo of it in it's previous 3 speed set up
Jason




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> It is against group rules to *REFER* to a "traily 10-speed Simpleone" and 
> neglect to show actual *PHOTOGRAPHS* of same.  I wanna see!
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:39:44 AM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>
>> Hi 
>> I'm looking for a Riv Nitto Bullmoose (not the Boscoe) for my traily 
>> 10-speed Simpleone. 
>> Does anyone have one not in use? 
>> Thanks 
>> Jason
>
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Re: [RBW] XT Hub Issues

[Jim Bronson]

Wow that's terrible.  Sorry to hear of it.  That could be really dangerous
going downhill fast. your derailer could be wrapped around the cassette in
a hurry.

I have one of those XT-780 hubs also, and it has been rock solid, go figure
 I've done about 12,000Ks of rando rides on it in the last 3 years.  Now
I'm worried, but maybe it's one of those things if it doesn't break right
off the bat, it's good for a long time.  I hope so.

Another thing I have heard about these hubs is that the axle is aluminum
and the threads tend to strip when you try to break it down to grease the
bearings.  I have not actually tried this, but it's probably overdue for a
service so we'll see what happens.

-Jim

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Almost new XT (HB-T780) touring rear hub. Freewheel has stopped
> freewheeling on a few fast descents turing it in to a fixed wheel. After a
> while it frees up again just to come back in the worst situations. Hub has
> less than a 1,000 miles on it. Searching the internet has not yielded much.
> Anyone have any experience with this issue? Will open it up today or
> tomorrow but is someone has deal with this before I would be thankful for
> any pointer.
>
> Thanks,
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[BenG]

A brown "mystery bike" is my commuting bike.  For me, the 50mm tires make it 
wonderful, the long stays make it different, and the curvy tentacles make it 
(nearly) unique.  Based on my own saddle time on Sam and the long one, the 
fat-tired Sam called an Appaloosa prototype, the one that started this thread, 
seems great.  Every non-racing bike should fit fatties fine (oops).

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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[David Person]

If you went to a V brake that required a long pull brake lever or the use 
of Travel Agents (TA) I would avoid the TA's.  I tried them and did not 
like them at all.  The brake action did not feel smooth at all with them 
installed.  

David

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have decide to get our tandem repainted over the winter and as part of 
> that am considering moving from the Paul's Racer (studded) brakes to either 
> Mini Motos or  Neo Retros.  I want to  increase brake clearance from the 
> 38MM w/fenders of the ctr pulls, which otherwise are great brakes.  I have 
> lots of experience and love my Neo-Retros but no experience with V brakes. 
>  Can  someone help me understand a bit about steup/stability of the 
> mini-moto and the braking power vs either good CP or the neo retros?
>
> Braking on a tandem is rather different than a single.  On the one hand 
> you have twice the mass and on the other hand the rear wheel has much less 
> tendency to lift and therefore more braking power.
>
> Thanks, Michael
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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[Peter Adler]

That's just what the alien zombies *want* you to think. If you're 
concentrating on arming yourself piecemeal with little hatchets, you'll 
slack off on development of the bacteriological agents, silver bullets and 
freeze-rays you'll really need to thwart the invasion.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Peter "ever vigilant" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

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> It's dramatic protection against the impending alien zombie invasion.
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Re: [RBW] XT Hub Issues

[Tim Gavin]

I had a bum freehub on my HB-T780.  On mine, the pawls would sometimes fail
to engage, meaning it freewheeled in BOTH directions.

I ordered mine from a site in Germany as part of an XT dynamo wheelset.
Since return of the whole wheelset was impractical, I removed the freehub*
and returned only that.  They gave me in-store credit for a new freehub,
which worked for me since I was going to place another order anyway.

*removal of the freehub on the T780 (and new M785) hub requires a 14 mm
hex, not the previously-Shimano-standard 10 mm hex.  It's because of the
oversize axle, I believe.
My shop didn't have the proper tool yet, so I found an external 14 mm
socket from a local motor supply shop; apparently it's a somewhat common
oil drain plug size.

Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Almost new XT (HB-T780) touring rear hub. Freewheel has stopped
> freewheeling on a few fast descents turing it in to a fixed wheel. After a
> while it frees up again just to come back in the worst situations. Hub has
> less than a 1,000 miles on it. Searching the internet has not yielded much.
> Anyone have any experience with this issue? Will open it up today or
> tomorrow but is someone has deal with this before I would be thankful for
> any pointer.
>
> Thanks,
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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[RBW] XT Hub Issues

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

Almost new XT (HB-T780) touring rear hub. Freewheel has stopped 
freewheeling on a few fast descents turing it in to a fixed wheel. After a 
while it frees up again just to come back in the worst situations. Hub has 
less than a 1,000 miles on it. Searching the internet has not yielded much. 
Anyone have any experience with this issue? Will open it up today or 
tomorrow but is someone has deal with this before I would be thankful for 
any pointer.

Thanks,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[Marc Irwin]

I have carried and Estwing Scout hachet for years.  It's dramatic 
protection against the impending alien zombie invasion.  They also work for 
cutting wood and building fires!  Who knew?

Marc  

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> No back ground checks needed! Lighter and quieter than a chainsaw! Human 
> powered! Last forever!
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:51:58 AM UTC-6, John G wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:38:12 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not a gun control guy. But what is the deal with hatchets?
>>>
>>
>> 
>> They are helpful in constructing projectile weapons. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: A Vendre; prix ne comprend pas l'expédition*

[Patrick Moore]

Truvative "Gigapipe" ISIS bb, 108/68, smooth, free to first to spend more
than $25 including shipping.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. Chauncey Matthews custom fillet brazed stainless steel rack, designed
> for 26" wheel bike. Will clear 2" tires. Will handle 40 lb load. *NOTE!* 
> Constructed
> to attach to custom-brazed, brake bridge braze on, but the ingenious
> tinkerer will find a solution. Hard-dried dollops of Shoe Goo on underside
> that held tail lamp wire in place; you'll have to remove these yourself.
> $30 + shipping, OBO.
>
> 2. Lezyne Pressure Drive minipump. Well used but still as functional as
> when new. $20 + shipping.
>
> 3. "Normal reach" calipers. One is perhaps a Royal Grand Comp cleaned up
> of all graphics. This stopped my Curt for 8-9 years. Includes used but
> still very usable Salmons of one sort or another. $16 shipped.
>
> More modern Shimano dual pivot; I think it's one Rivendell used to sell.
> Includes pads of some sort. $16 shipped.
>
> 4. Mess o' fixed cogs. $16 SHIPPED each for new ones, $12 SHIPPED each for
> used (but not very used) ones. The 13 t is cheaper: $7 SHIPPED.
>
> CONUS only!
>
> All 3/32.
>
> Thus:
>
> Iin the leftmost column: All 16 t: 2 unused Dura Ace at top; then a used
> Dura Ace; then a used SunTour. Again, $16 for new, $12 for used -- SHIPPED
> CONUS.
>
> In the next column: 1 used Dura Ace 15.
>
> 1 NIP Avenir 13 t, $7 shipped CONUS. (New retail was only $7.99.)
>
> 5. Oh, please buy these, all or part: NIP Michelin Pro Race 4 650 X 23 (I
> have 3 of them); 4 X Sun ME 14A silver 650C rims, 19 mm outside. Will throw
> in to buyer who buys most of this stuff a used but still very usable pair
> of Pro Race 3s 650C X 23. Talk to me about offers and trades. Photos upon
> request.
>
> * What? You don't know French? Shame on you! "For sale, prices do not
> include shipping."
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> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bullmoose

[Bill Lindsay]

It is against group rules to *REFER* to a "traily 10-speed Simpleone" and 
neglect to show actual *PHOTOGRAPHS* of same.  I wanna see!

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:39:44 AM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:
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> Hi 
> I'm looking for a Riv Nitto Bullmoose (not the Boscoe) for my traily 
> 10-speed Simpleone. 
> Does anyone have one not in use? 
> Thanks 
> Jason

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[RBW] A pair of Paul Motolites for sale.

[RJM]

I have a set of Paul Component Engineering Motolite brakes, silver in 
color, for sale. One is new in the package and one I took out of the 
package and mounted it to my Sam Hillborne just to see how aesthetically 
pleasing it was...and it didn't work for me. I bought the black ones 
instead. 
 
Here is the product page from Paul Components for extra info.
http://www.paulcomp.com/motolite.html
 
They work great, BTW. If you have a problem with not enough braking power 
and your bike has canti posts, these brakes will solve it.  
 
$175 for the pair and I'll ship them to you if you live in the continental 
United States. I can take paypal, credit card, evenor personal 
check/money order with a short wait to ship to make sure everything clears. 
(sorry about that)
 
If you need pictures I can take some tonight and send them to you; please 
just ask. 
 
 
Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: Childrens' bikes

[Edwin W]

I love the look of those isla bikes.
If looking on CL, I would avoid front shocks and front derailers. 

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 12:38:08 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> There was a thread a while back about kids' bikes.  A close friend is 
> looking for a recommendation for a 20" wheel bike for a 6 year old who is 
> very comfortable riding 5 miles and whose parents are looking for a higher 
> quality bike than the department store 16" bike she's riding now.  Any 
> suggestions?
>
>  
>
> Riv content:  Well, how about the unavailability of the 
> considered-but-discarded Riv Rosco Bubbe?
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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Justin August]

If the Moto-lites are out due to levers and not wanting to use a travel 
agent, you could always cut a slit in the fender to allow the Mini-Moto to 
have it's wire there. The Mini-Moto will definitely open wider than the 
Racer, since you can easily unhook the noodle. 

-J

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 7:15:22 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> No way Neo Retro's on a tandem in my opinion. I have the neo-retros on my 
> CX bike and the touring canit's on my Atlantis. The touring canti's have 
> substantially more stopping power than the neo retros. However, they still 
> aren't anywhere near what I'd consider safe when descending a steep 
> hill/mountain with a heavy load, particularly in the rain. 
>
> Mini motos would have tons more stopping power than the canti's, but 
> fender clearance would be the bit challenge as the cable is quite low. As 
> was mentioned, the moto-lite's would ensure you can use basically any tire 
> you want (with a fender) and have the most stopping power of any Paul 
> brake. Just need to have a long-pull brake lever.
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Mini-Motos have excellent stopping power, are easy to set up and look 
>> very good.  I was not able to get the front brake to work over a fender 
>> however as the cable between the two sides is relatively low compared to 
>> other Mini-Motos.  I did not want to use cantis so wound up using TRP 
>> mini-vs instead.
>>
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RE: [RBW] Childrens' bikes

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Thanks.  That's the company I was trying to remember.

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Islabikes.  islabikes.com.  US storefront is in Portland, OR.

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[RBW] Re: Going to be in SF, looking for the "Rivendell Experience"

[Scott G.]

I was at Rivendell World Dominion HQ a couple months ago,
they offered bikes to ride over to the Hatcheteria.

Hatchrista wanted us to ride some bikes back to HQ,
touring Walnut Creek on Riv loaners is highly encouraged.
Beware the puppy dog salesman, just look after this adorable puppy
for a few minutes, you know how that ends.

Take only cash, leave your credit card in a lock box.
I escaped with only a bunch of socks, I was lucky. 

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[RBW] Childrens' bikes

[Lynne Fitz]

Islabikes.  islabikes.com.  US storefront is in Portland, OR.

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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

No back ground checks needed! Lighter and quieter than a chainsaw! Human 
powered! Last forever!

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:51:58 AM UTC-6, John G wrote:
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>
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:38:12 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
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>>
>
> 
> They are helpful in constructing projectile weapons. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Garth]

  I'm not sure who owns that green frame , someone is riding it somewhere 
or it's at Riv HQ . 

Keven also has one too , a 58.7 proto-Appaloosa . 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff3.htm



On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
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> Beautiful – whose bike is that?  List member?
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Garth
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2015 12:56 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet
>
>  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Garth]

   FWIW, Here also is Leisl's frame .  It appears to differ in there are 2 
diagonal tubes, like really long chainstay kinda tubes. The green one uses 
one main tube and uses a lug on the seat tube . Regardless, I love this 
style !  

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/80720787036/heres-the-story-of-our-latest-custom-bike-for

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RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Beautiful – whose bike is that?  List member?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:56 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet


  BenG, You mean you have a frame like the green one I linked above ? 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg

I like those frames !

Yes, the Chev looks nice .  My next frame will likely be custom as I have yet 
to meet another production frame that can "add to" the fit and qualities of my 
early model Bombadil. Close but no cigar yet !


On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 12:11:05 PM UTC-4, BenG wrote:
Hi Garth,
I bought one of the proto long bikes late in that program. Seems to me like it 
was "an experiment, a step in the right direction, a successive approximation" 
(says so on the decal) that led to the Cheviot, the first production long bike. 
 Mine has the horse head badge that will show up on some production bike; long 
chainstays that are currently in production; and tentacular extrastays that are 
probably forever limited to Mr. Nobilette's handiwork.  I squeezed 50's under 
its fenders and love the cush, but's too tight for gravel, let alone sticks. I 
have a Sam, and a long bike, and for me, a Cheviot that fits 2" tires under 
fenders would be a really nice bike.
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[RBW] WTB: Bullmoose

[jandrews_nyc]

Hi
I'm looking for a Riv Nitto Bullmoose (not the Boscoe) for my traily 10-speed 
Simpleone.
Does anyone have one not in use?
Thanks 
Jason

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[RBW] Childrens' bikes

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

There was a thread a while back about kids' bikes.  A close friend is looking 
for a recommendation for a 20" wheel bike for a 6 year old who is very 
comfortable riding 5 miles and whose parents are looking for a higher quality 
bike than the department store 16" bike she's riding now.  Any suggestions?

Riv content:  Well, how about the unavailability of the 
considered-but-discarded Riv Rosco Bubbe?

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Bill Lindsay]

Mystery bikes, or "tentacular long bikes".  Rosco Bubbe and Bosco Rubbe 
also were placeholders for possible bike names.  Remember that BMX-ish bike 
with a fork crown that was on the Blug, or was it the knot-hole.  They 
referred to it as Rosco Bubbe.  Looking back on that, that was most likely 
not an actual prototype BMX or kids' bike.  It was more likely a prototype 
merely to enable Riv to evaluate the joining-work of their vendor on a bike 
that was part-tigged and partly lugged.  If all you need to see are a bunch 
of joints, and if you prefer to see them in a completed frame of some kind, 
then I suppose it makes sense that it be little.  

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:15:27 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
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> So, back to calling the long bikes "Mystery Bikes"?
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Garth
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 2:17 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet
>
>  
>
>
> Thanks Bill !  So I'll consider a Appaloosa to mean "prototype" 
> generically then , even though it bears nothing to do with the words 
> meaning or origin .
>
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> You are only confused because it's kind of confusing.   
>
>  
>
> They've liked the name "Appaloosa" for a long while, and have several bike 
> concepts in the pipeline.  They fully developed the appaloosa name, by 
> getting a badge made and presumably all the other decal work.  So they are 
> going to use that name, no matter what, on some bike.  Which bike gets that 
> name has changed over time.  That LONG BIKE is a bike in the pipeline, that 
> maybe will eventually get made.  That LONG BIKE just won't have the name 
> Appaloosa, even though there have been LONG BIKE prototypes that have been 
> called Appaloosa, and some that even have the Appaloosa badge.  
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:01:30 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
>I'm a bit confused  I thought the Appaloosa was suppose to have 
> really long chainstays, a diagonal tube, and more rake .
>
> This one : https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg
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RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

So, back to calling the long bikes "Mystery Bikes"?

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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:17 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet


Thanks Bill !  So I'll consider a Appaloosa to mean "prototype" generically 
then , even though it bears nothing to do with the words meaning or origin .


On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
You are only confused because it's kind of confusing.

They've liked the name "Appaloosa" for a long while, and have several bike 
concepts in the pipeline.  They fully developed the appaloosa name, by getting 
a badge made and presumably all the other decal work.  So they are going to use 
that name, no matter what, on some bike.  Which bike gets that name has changed 
over time.  That LONG BIKE is a bike in the pipeline, that maybe will 
eventually get made.  That LONG BIKE just won't have the name Appaloosa, even 
though there have been LONG BIKE prototypes that have been called Appaloosa, 
and some that even have the Appaloosa badge.

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:01:30 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


   I'm a bit confused  I thought the Appaloosa was suppose to have really 
long chainstays, a diagonal tube, and more rake .

This one : https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Garth]

  BenG, You mean you have a frame like the green one I linked above ? 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg

I like those frames !  

Yes, the Chev looks nice .  My next frame will likely be custom as I have 
yet to meet another production frame that can "add to" the fit and 
qualities of my early model Bombadil. Close but no cigar yet !  


On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 12:11:05 PM UTC-4, BenG wrote:
>
> Hi Garth, 
> I bought one of the proto long bikes late in that program. Seems to me 
> like it was "an experiment, a step in the right direction, a successive 
> approximation" (says so on the decal) that led to the Cheviot, the first 
> production long bike.  Mine has the horse head badge that will show up on 
> some production bike; long chainstays that are currently in production; and 
> tentacular extrastays that are probably forever limited to Mr. Nobilette's 
> handiwork.  I squeezed 50's under its fenders and love the cush, but's too 
> tight for gravel, let alone sticks. I have a Sam, and a long bike, and for 
> me, a Cheviot that fits 2" tires under fenders would be a really nice bike.

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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[John G]

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:38:12 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I am not a gun control guy. But what is the deal with hatchets?
>


They are helpful in constructing projectile weapons. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[BenG]

Hi Garth,
I bought one of the proto long bikes late in that program. Seems to me like it 
was "an experiment, a step in the right direction, a successive approximation" 
(says so on the decal) that led to the Cheviot, the first production long bike. 
 Mine has the horse head badge that will show up on some production bike; long 
chainstays that are currently in production; and tentacular extrastays that are 
probably forever limited to Mr. Nobilette's handiwork.  I squeezed 50's under 
its fenders and love the cush, but's too tight for gravel, let alone sticks. I 
have a Sam, and a long bike, and for me, a Cheviot that fits 2" tires under 
fenders would be a really nice bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Ron Mc]

Jim nailed that one

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> ...
> I don't think rando is un-racerish enough for Grant, and he's definitely 
> not a fan of low-trail.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS Musa Pants, Shorts and Arcteryx A2B T Shirt

[Brian Krueger]

Shorts SOLD, Pending sale on pants. Arc shirt still available.

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 8:39:28 AM UTC-6, Brian Krueger wrote:
>
> All in excellent, near new condition.  Prices include shipping.  Paypal 
> gift payment.
> 1. Musa Pants RIV/MUSA grey with blue detailing, including velcro cuffs 
> and Reflective patches.  Size large.  Tag states MUSA 22-992 cut # 284901 
> $35.
> 2. Musa Shorts RIV/MUSA grew with blue detailing, including reflective 
> patches. Slight pilling in the crotch. Size large.  Tag states MUSA cut 
> 5/1/2011. $30.
> 3. Arcteryx A2B t-shirt.  58% poly, 42% wool.  Size large, trim fit. 
>  Color blue smoke.  From current 2015 line.  $35.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Jim Bronson]

There's a plethora of builders who can help you with that.  Rivendell will
not be one of them.

I don't think rando is un-racerish enough for Grant, and he's definitely
not a fan of low-trail.



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> I'm holding out for a super light tubing, standard tube width, low trail,
> canti brake, 650b, carbon brush in the headrube,  seat tube taillight
> braze-on, wireless front dropouts,  Rivrandobike.
>
> They have done everything but, I think, so far.
> MTN, all road, road, touring, country, single speed, Mixte, and
> comfort/hybrid/cruiser, have all been touched upon. Tandem is in the works.
> Unicycle, and bmx and kid bikes haven't been done yet though.
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[RBW] Re: TALES FROM THE TRAIL

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jon - I ride the Highline quite a bit as well as Lee Gulch and like you, I 
am shocked if anyone ever recognized the bike. It's happened twice, and 
both times on the AHH I had.

The usual comments / questions are more like, nice vintage, how old is it, 
is that a Raleigh...I even had one guy vigorously try to convince me he had 
a Rivendell in the 70s.

We totally need to hook up for a ramble and or coffeeoutside sometime. I 
often ride down the highline down past South Suburban and make coffee along 
the creek. I've been wanting to get back down to do the loops at Greenland 
Open Space too. 

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[RBW] Re: TALES FROM THE TRAIL

[Zach Duval]

I had the fairly surreal experience of seeing my first (and only) Riv in 
the wild (an AHH) just after placing the order for my Sam frameset. It was 
even my size, but alas I was working and unable to take him up on his offer 
of letting me test-ride.

Other than folks in the know at shops, my Riv has been recognized once, by 
a gentleman who rode an an old Raleigh Competition he'd scored on Ebay (I 
was told). After we passed going opposite directions along the street, he 
chased me down, expressed his admiration, and mentioned the time he met 
Grant in Walnut Creek (this was in Billings, MT).

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-6, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:

> Most of you probably get this a lot... Not in my area.
> Riding the Lee Gulch /High Line Canal trail through Littleton/Denver. I 
> hear from a guy walking his dog "Is that a Rivendell?"
> I said yes.He said Please stop. He obviously knew a bit about Rivendell.
> I turned around and rode back to him.
> Some of his comments:
> He mentioned he was thinking of buying an Atlantis at one time.
> He said WOW! I've never seen one in person.Can I take a picture? Are those 
> Albatross bars? And a Brooks saddle!
> The fenders match perfectly!  How do you like the double top tube? Can I 
> ring the bell?
> On and on he went.I ask him if he wanted to ride it but he said he 
> couldn't today.
> I said keep a look out for me I ride this trail often.
> I told him what a great experience buying a bike from Rivendell was and 
> how much fun Rivendell bikes are.
> Made my Day!!!
> I wish Rivendell  had a bigger presence in Colorado. Grant should do some 
> book tours in bike friendly Ft Collins, Boulder,& Denver.
> A good Rivendell dealership candidate in Denver would be 
> http://mindfulbike.com/
>
> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Next Bomba Tire

[Lungimsam]

Once a tire goes into the 60$+ range, it starts to hurt.

I will say that Compass has been very fair, even dropping their prices as the 
euro and yen have changed, I think for their Schmidt stuff this year and also 
their tires last year.

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[RBW] Re: TALES FROM THE TRAIL

[Mark Reimer]

Nice! Only time I've had someone recognize my Rivendell here is when it was 
one of the two other Riv owners in town (that I know of).

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 5:30:19 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> I was on a charity ride in Missouri once with my Hillborne and had a 
> couple of guys talk to me for about twenty minutes about how awesome Rivs 
> were. They were riding some nicely restored vintage bikes. I told them that 
> in my opinion, Rivs are some of the best bikes on the road. I do believe 
> that too. I can ride my Roadeo as fast as I used to ride a carbon Trek 
> Madone and it is more comfortable and better looking, IMHO. 
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 3:52:35 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman in the 
> foothills of Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Most of you probably get this a lot... Not in my area.
>> Riding the Lee Gulch /High Line Canal trail through Littleton/Denver. I 
>> hear from a guy walking his dog "Is that a Rivendell?"
>> I said yes.He said Please stop. He obviously knew a bit about Rivendell.
>> I turned around and rode back to him.
>> Some of his comments:
>> He mentioned he was thinking of buying an Atlantis at one time.
>> He said WOW! I've never seen one in person.Can I take a picture? Are 
>> those Albatross bars? And a Brooks saddle!
>> The fenders match perfectly!  How do you like the double top tube? Can I 
>> ring the bell?
>> On and on he went.I ask him if he wanted to ride it but he said he 
>> couldn't today.
>> I said keep a look out for me I ride this trail often.
>> I told him what a great experience buying a bike from Rivendell was and 
>> how much fun Rivendell bikes are.
>> Made my Day!!!
>> I wish Rivendell  had a bigger presence in Colorado. Grant should do some 
>> book tours in bike friendly Ft Collins, Boulder,& Denver.
>> A good Rivendell dealership candidate in Denver would be 
>> http://mindfulbike.com/
>>
>> Jon
>>
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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Mark Reimer]

No way Neo Retro's on a tandem in my opinion. I have the neo-retros on my 
CX bike and the touring canit's on my Atlantis. The touring canti's have 
substantially more stopping power than the neo retros. However, they still 
aren't anywhere near what I'd consider safe when descending a steep 
hill/mountain with a heavy load, particularly in the rain. 

Mini motos would have tons more stopping power than the canti's, but fender 
clearance would be the bit challenge as the cable is quite low. As was 
mentioned, the moto-lite's would ensure you can use basically any tire you 
want (with a fender) and have the most stopping power of any Paul brake. 
Just need to have a long-pull brake lever.

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Mini-Motos have excellent stopping power, are easy to set up and look very 
> good.  I was not able to get the front brake to work over a fender however 
> as the cable between the two sides is relatively low compared to other 
> Mini-Motos.  I did not want to use cantis so wound up using TRP mini-vs 
> instead.
>

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[RBW] FS: Heron Touring SOLD

[olofstroh]

Yep. Found a new life with a lady in Switzerland and is on it´s way to a new
home.

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

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[RBW] Re: Parts cleanout sale

[Anton Tutter]

All the lights sold pretty quickly. That leaves the following items still 
available:


My semi-annual parts cleanout sale.  $5 shipping CONUS on each item, or buy 
> three items and get free shipping CONUS. Reply off-list if interested.
>
> Photos of everything: 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0Bim8tw3tRGfnIyMUlrMi1uNUpaQkY4S3VsWHFwdnA1Sk0zNlFDU3BaQ0h4bG5DWFlRYk0&usp=sharing
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>
> - Custom headlight bracket for mounting a headlight to a front rack. 
> Hand-filed from a Weinmann brake arm. With wire guides on the backside. $10
>
> - VO +/-6deg threadless stem, 110mm, 1-1/18" steerer, 25.4mm clamp. New. 
> Mounted but never ridden. $25
>
> - VO Canti brake refills (BR-0030), set for front or rear. New. $3
>
> - SRAM Rival 2014 front road derailleur, for braze-on mount. New. $20
>
> - 28.6 to braze-on FD adaptor. New. $10
>
> - Cane Creek "100 Classic" 1" threadless headset. Used, complete, 
> excellent. $60
>
> - Shimano baseball cap. New. $10
>
> - Shimano bar-end shifter pods, pair. PODS ONLY. Used, good shape. $25
>

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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Matthew J]

Mini-Motos have excellent stopping power, are easy to set up and look very 
good.  I was not able to get the front brake to work over a fender however 
as the cable between the two sides is relatively low compared to other 
Mini-Motos.  I did not want to use cantis so wound up using TRP mini-vs 
instead.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to get out Brooks sit bone divets sop the rear frame down;t dig into my rear end.

[Ron Mc]

I killed a basic B-17 one day on a long ride in a downpour.  



Lacing the flaps recovered it into a usable saddle.  


On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 8:06:48 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> In addition to adding tension to the nose bolt, lacing the bottom flaps of 
> the saddle may also help encourage the top back into form. 
>
> I used a Flyer on my Riv for the last couple years.  It was my first 
> Brooks, and I applied a light application of neatsfoot oil when I got it, 
> to help it soften more quickly.  My mistake!  The neatsfoot accelerated the 
> stretch too much (I haven't done that again).
>
> I tensioned the nose bolt and laced the bottom flaps, and now it's more 
> rideable.  I moved it to my fat bike, where I really appreciate the 
> springs, and I replaced it with a Flyer Special on my Riv.
>
> -Tim
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 6:26 AM, Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
>> Why not get a sprung seat post and the saddle that fits you best?  My 
>> wife uses the Thud Buster on our tandem and likes it.  We have had it 5 
>> years and haven't even replaced the flex part.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Rivet doesn't make sprung saddles, or I would try one. I emailed them 
>>> about it. They don't like the weight of a sprung saddle, and they didn't 
>>> get the appeal of sprung.
>>>
>>> I like sprung saddles. Just wish the leather shape wouldn't change so 
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> Brooks is coming out with a Cambium type sprung saddle in 2016 that I 
>>> will be interested to try.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How to get out Brooks sit bone divets sop the rear frame down;t dig into my rear end.

[Tim Gavin]

In addition to adding tension to the nose bolt, lacing the bottom flaps of
the saddle may also help encourage the top back into form.

I used a Flyer on my Riv for the last couple years.  It was my first
Brooks, and I applied a light application of neatsfoot oil when I got it,
to help it soften more quickly.  My mistake!  The neatsfoot accelerated the
stretch too much (I haven't done that again).

I tensioned the nose bolt and laced the bottom flaps, and now it's more
rideable.  I moved it to my fat bike, where I really appreciate the
springs, and I replaced it with a Flyer Special on my Riv.

-Tim

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 6:26 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Why not get a sprung seat post and the saddle that fits you best?  My wife
> uses the Thud Buster on our tandem and likes it.  We have had it 5 years
> and haven't even replaced the flex part.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Rivet doesn't make sprung saddles, or I would try one. I emailed them
>> about it. They don't like the weight of a sprung saddle, and they didn't
>> get the appeal of sprung.
>>
>> I like sprung saddles. Just wish the leather shape wouldn't change so
>> easily.
>>
>> Brooks is coming out with a Cambium type sprung saddle in 2016 that I
>> will be interested to try.
>>
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[RBW] Re: How to get out Brooks sit bone divets sop the rear frame down;t dig into my rear end.

[Michael Hechmer]

Why not get a sprung seat post and the saddle that fits you best?  My wife 
uses the Thud Buster on our tandem and likes it.  We have had it 5 years 
and haven't even replaced the flex part.

Michael

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Rivet doesn't make sprung saddles, or I would try one. I emailed them 
> about it. They don't like the weight of a sprung saddle, and they didn't 
> get the appeal of sprung.
>
> I like sprung saddles. Just wish the leather shape wouldn't change so 
> easily.
>
> Brooks is coming out with a Cambium type sprung saddle in 2016 that I will 
> be interested to try.
>

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[RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Michael Hechmer]

The Racers open just enough to clear our 26x1.5 Marathon Racers, which are 
near the end of life.  Those brakes have a 55mm opening at the top but I 
have managed to get 60 mm metal fenders under them by dropping them down a 
bit.  I want to go to the Compass 1.75 tire w/out having to deflate the 
tires to remove the wheel.  I think you are saying the Mini Ms will work 
but not as well as the Retros.  I don't want to change levers as I really 
like my Tecktros.

Michael

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 8:49:16 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
>
> I don't think that the Mini-Moto will gain you much clearance, 
> realistically. Mud clearance, yes. Stopping power, perhaps. For more 
> clearance you'd be better off with the Moto-lites or the more traditional 
> cantis. However, with the Moto-lites you'd have to get the correct pull 
> levers.
>
> I personally LOVE the Mini-Moto and if I got another bike with canti 
> posts, I'd use them in a heartbeat if they cleared the tires. I had them on 
> my SimpleOne and they cleared Nomad Resist 700x45 tires. No fenders, 
> probably could have fit with some rubbing of the wire.
>
> -J
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I have decide to get our tandem repainted over the winter and as part of 
>> that am considering moving from the Paul's Racer (studded) brakes to either 
>> Mini Motos or  Neo Retros.  I want to  increase brake clearance from the 
>> 38MM w/fenders of the ctr pulls, which otherwise are great brakes.  I have 
>> lots of experience and love my Neo-Retros but no experience with V brakes. 
>>  Can  someone help me understand a bit about steup/stability of the 
>> mini-moto and the braking power vs either good CP or the neo retros?
>>
>> Braking on a tandem is rather different than a single.  On the one hand 
>> you have twice the mass and on the other hand the rear wheel has much less 
>> tendency to lift and therefore more braking power.
>>
>> Thanks, Michael
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Next Bomba Tire

[Steve Palincsar]

Just how large is this price increase that has you so perturbed?

On 08/30/2015 11:59 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

Wow. The GB/Compass prices are getting scary. Don't know what I'll do for fast 
650b tires if they go up much more.



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[RBW] Re: How to get out Brooks sit bone divets sop the rear frame down;t dig into my rear end.

[Ron Mc]

joe and Zach both have nailed the question.  Even in the Select and Special 
grades, the quality of leather has gone down, but these are the minimum 
grades to consider.  In the lower grades, the odds are against you getting 
a good saddle.  Tension the saddle - return it to that break-in feeling - 
IMO, you can damage the leather if you don't tension it.  A little bit can 
go a long way, but tension it in 90-degree increments as Brooks recommends 
and let it settle into its new stretch before you change it again.  

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-5, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> Tension and report back? 
>
> I've had nothing but favorable impressions (pun semi-intended) of my 
> Brooks Select (non-sprung), which I've used regularly a bit longer than a 
> year, other than the damnable dye leaching, which I still haven't solved 
> satisfactorily. . . 
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 9:57:34 AM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> So I have only had this saddle for 10 months and I have divots where the 
>> sit bones sit to the point of feeling the rear of the frame dig into my 
>> rear end when I ride now.
>>
>> People say these saddles last for 20 years or so. But mine is becoming 
>> unrideable at this point.
>>
>> Any advice?
>>
>> It is a sprung Flyer, so I am not sure if tension bolt tightening will 
>> help. Wondering if the springs will just rise with the tensioning, making 
>> the saddle more concave and the rear frame piece more pronounced.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with this? Any solutions?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Next Bomba Tire

[Peter Adler]

If foldingness is a priority, there's another eBay seller with folding 
Pari-Moto blackballs for $27 each...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panaracer-Pari-Moto-Pacenti-Folding-Road-Bike-Tire-650B-27-5x-1-5-Black-/371403830457?hash=item567964b4b9

Peter Adler
saving his pennies and dimes for Strada Biancas/Stampede Passes/Bon Jon 
Passes after the abysmal, alarming failure of three consecutive JBBs riding 
the streets of
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 8:44:17 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Maybe I should get the new(er) Pari-Motos instead...supposedly the tread 
> is thicker than the older ones.  Wire bead, but beggars can't be choosers...
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panaracer-Pacenti-27-5-X-1-50-650B-Pari-Moto-Wire-Bead-Black-/191600794402?hash=item2c9c4c1b22
>

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