[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[ascpgh]

I'm usually in the camp of face and mill the head tube for a headset camp, 
but I also still have the original Ultegra PJW refers to in my orange 
Rambouillet, not even close to having any measure of wear. If I had a CK 
sitting in my tool chest waiting this might be different.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 11:14:42 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> +1 on the Chris King/Frame prep requirement. I just had the head tube on a 
> new frame faced in anticipation of a King headset.
>
> I've had good luck with the lower-end Cane Creek models as well.
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
>>
>> The headset on my Toyo-built Atlantis would never stay tight, so the LBS 
>> machined the headtube when they tore it down to reapply Frame Saver. It 
>> still didn't stay tight, so another LBS added a spacer because the headset 
>> apparently ran out of threads on the fork. If I were to replace the 
>> headset, I would go with the needle bearing Tange.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>>>
>>> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
>>> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
>>> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
>>> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 
>>> Cane Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as 
>>> they all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle 
>>> bearing Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>>>
>>> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
>>> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB Sackville Hub Area bag, olive

[Wally Estrella]

Hi Folks:

I'm looking for a nice set o'Sackville Hub Area bags in olive.

Hit me w/ a PM


CHEERS!
Wally

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[RBW] Roadeo 59cm frameset plus extras

[Forrest Meyer]

Price is negotiable. I'm open to offers. Also to questions. Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repair?

[s...@austin.utexas.edu]

Third for Simon Firth at Firth & Wilson. He is official and trained by 
Brooks.

Sean
ATX


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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Sean on Bike]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm honored that Peter White chimed in and 
learned a lot from his comment. I asked my bike shop to order me a Velo 
Orange Grand Cru based on several good reviews. I'm looking forward to the 
upgrade from the generic one it replaces. As Michael suggested, the one 
good thing about repairs is the opportunity to upgrade.

Wish you all well,
Sean in Eden Prairie




On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Near mint Rambouillet -- how much?

[Belopsky]

As with cars and motorcycles and other things, upgrades don't bring in much 
value...


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[RBW] Re: Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

[Bob B]

Hey Bill

Yea I get a little flex on my Bosco/tallux setup. Honestly I just put the 
tallux on; prior to that i had the Boscos on the stem that was original to 
the bike (It's a Bridgestone t700 by the way, not a Trek). I actually don't 
mind the flex so far, but I haven't really put it to test yet. So far the 
flex makes it more comfortable. Getting a little off-topic here, but I do 
know from experience that you have to tighten the stem a ridiculous amount 
with the Boscos so they don't slip. I always think I'm about to strip the 
stem. There aren't any scores on the stem clamp area like many other bars 
have. Do people ever knurl them? 



On Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 7:02:42 PM UTC-4, William R. wrote:
>
> Hey Bob E, I like your Trek too. I see you have a lot of a long stem 
> showing there like I do. Do you experience flex like I do? My 7000 is 
> strictly a short distance bike so it's not a big issue. But boy can I flex 
> that cockpit! I have it set up as my train station bike now. Generic saddle 
> that came on my Appaloosa chained to the frame for security. It's a good 
> bike that works for me with that bar/stem combo.
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: My Latest Video

[JohnS]

Totally awesome Eric! Looks like a beautiful ride, I'll have to add it to 
my buck list of rides. Very impressed that you do it on your 3 speed QB. So 
did you drop the tandem team or did they drop you?

Thanks for sharing,
JohnS, who rides a fixed 2 speed QB


On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 7:04:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My latest video is from Saturday, when I led the Davis Double Century 
> workers ride:
>
> https://youtu.be/LqaUZRkcZB8 
>
> Riv content: I rode my 3-speed Quickbeam, and had a great time. As you 
> would expect, lots of comments from my fellow riders, many of whom were 
> riding much lighter, "faster" bikes.
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>

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[RBW] Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Rob H.]

I've had this beat up set of Alba bars for a while, don't quite remember if 
they're the CrMo or Aluminum bars. At any rate, I've got tape on it from 
levers all the way to the center clamp. Now I've decided to put them on a 
new Clementine and want to change out the stem.

Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?

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[RBW] Re: My Latest Video

[WETH]

Eric,
I enjoyed the video greatly.  That is beautiful scenery, and your narration 
was perfect and helpful for this East-coaster.
What is your video set-up on the bike? (I think you may have shared this in 
the past, but I can't remember.)
Thanks,
Erl

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 7:04:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My latest video is from Saturday, when I led the Davis Double Century 
> workers ride:
>
> https://youtu.be/LqaUZRkcZB8 
>
> Riv content: I rode my 3-speed Quickbeam, and had a great time. As you 
> would expect, lots of comments from my fellow riders, many of whom were 
> riding much lighter, "faster" bikes.
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Deacon Patrick]

Hatchet! Grin.

Actually, lighter fluid and a rag will do wonders.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-6, Rob H. wrote:
>
> Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Latest Video

[Eric Norris]

Erl:

Thanks! For this ride, I used a Garmin VIRB camera mounted on the handlebars. 
For some of the shots, I handheld the camera.

I have GoPro cameras as well, but for recording from the bike I find that the 
VIRB has a few advantages.

I use iMovie on my Mac to assemble the footage. Might upgrade to Final Cut one 
of these days.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
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campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On May 17, 2016, at 7:57 AM, WETH  wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> I enjoyed the video greatly.  That is beautiful scenery, and your narration 
> was perfect and helpful for this East-coaster.
> What is your video set-up on the bike? (I think you may have shared this in 
> the past, but I can't remember.)
> Thanks,
> Erl
> 
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 7:04:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
> My latest video is from Saturday, when I led the Davis Double Century workers 
> ride:
> 
> https://youtu.be/LqaUZRkcZB8  
> 
> Riv content: I rode my 3-speed Quickbeam, and had a great time. As you would 
> expect, lots of comments from my fellow riders, many of whom were riding much 
> lighter, "faster" bikes.
> 
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Eric Norris]

Goo Gone also works well.

--Eric Norris
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> On May 17, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Hatchet! Grin.
> 
> Actually, lighter fluid and a rag will do wonders.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-6, Rob H. wrote:
> Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?
> 
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[RBW] Re: First weekend of riding... ouch.

[Michael Hechmer]

Pain is nature's way of telling us to stop.  Glad to hear you are healing 
but do take it easy.

Michael

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 1:56:33 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my 
> clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and 
> temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out 
> "just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail 
> grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the 
> weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had 
> to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what 
> the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now 
> at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as 
> down-hill as the streets are!
> In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy. 
> 
> Favorite pic from the day: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/
>
> Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o. 
> Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later... 
>  well, my clavicle is 
> definitely hurting today. D'oh!
> Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang 
> out in: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/ 
>
> Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on 
> to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my 
> shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the 
> bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my 
> Moustache bar stand by... 
>
> So good times this weekend! 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Minh]

ditto, but let it soak in, so try wrapping a paper towel thats soaked in 
solvent around the bar and letting it sit a bit.

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Goo Gone also works well.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On May 17, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
> Hatchet! Grin.
>
> Actually, lighter fluid and a rag will do wonders.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-6, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>> Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[David Person]

Acetone.

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 7:52:13 AM UTC-7, Rob H. wrote:
>
> I've had this beat up set of Alba bars for a while, don't quite remember 
> if they're the CrMo or Aluminum bars. At any rate, I've got tape on it from 
> levers all the way to the center clamp. Now I've decided to put them on a 
> new Clementine and want to change out the stem.
>
> Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[David Person]

It's too late for me to offer you advice as I see you've placed an order 
for a VO headset.  I did want to comment that I've been pleased with the 
FSA Duron-X that came installed on the Sam Hillborne frame I purchased last 
year from Rivendell.

David Person

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Kieran J]

Goo Gone or any citric acid based cleaner, such as Citra Solv.
Soak it, let it sit for a minute, then scrub off.

KJ


On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Goo Gone also works well.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
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[RBW] Re: Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

[KTY]

Bob, thanks for sharing these. Are you familiar with the Riding the 
Catskills blog? It's not being updated anymore, but there's a great archive 
or rides on there. Many can be accomplished by going up on MetroNorth and 
crossing over the river. It would be a long day, but totally doable. Or 
better yet, take a shelter and make an overnight of it. The one thing about 
the Catskills is that cell reception is very spotty, and the roads are 
quite confusing. So, take a good map or even a GPS. There's so so much good 
riding up there. 

Westchester is also great to explore, also off the Metro-North or by riding 
up from the city. 

Have fun,
Kolby

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:02:04 PM UTC-4, Bob B wrote:
>
> I wanted to share a handful of the day rides I've done or am hoping to do 
> in the New York area, and perhaps get area-RBWOBers to share their routes 
> as well.
>
> These are destination rides that go along to scenic trails or bridges. The 
> goal is long stretches of scenic riding, as much as possible not in the 
> shoulder of a 45mph road. These are also relatively easy-going rides.
>
> Here's what I've come up with:
>
>
> *Battery Park (or wherever you live) to Brewster, NY *
>
> *Google Map Link:* *Click Here 
> *
>   
>
> *Length:* 64.2 miles
>
> *Route Info:* West Side Greenway > Van Cortlandt Park, Old Putnam Trail > 
> S County Trailway > N County Trailway all the way to Brewster, NY. Stop for 
> dinner and take the Metro North train from Brewster back to the city
>
> *Surface:* Mostly paved, a little dirt 
>
> *Camping Variant:* Possible to turn west from N. County Trailway towards 
> *Nimham 
> State Forest Multiple Use Area 
> *, which has MTB 
> trails and allows camping
>
>  
>
>  
> *Van Cortlandt Park (or where you live) to Kitchawan, NY and back*
>
> *Google Maps Link:* *Click Here 
> *
>   
>
> *Length:* 59.6 miles
>
> *Surface:* Paved and dirt/gravel
>
> *Route Info:* More or less Based on a Bike Snob ride report: Van 
> Cortlandt Park > Old Putnam Trail > S County Trailway > N County Trailway > 
> At Kitchawan hop over westward to Old Croton Trailway State Park > return 
> South along Old Croton Aqueduct Trail back to Van Cortlandt Park
>
>  
>
> *Trenton, NJ to New Brunswick*
>
> *Google Maps Link:* *Click Here 
> *
>   
>
> *Length:* 38.9 miles
>
> *Surface:* Paved and dirt/gravel
>
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> thew way to New Brunswick > NJ Transit from New Brunswick back to the city
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> Some back roads > Wallkill Valley Trail > Some back roads > Newburgh-Beacon 
> Bridge to Beacon, NY. Stop for dinner and take Metro North train from 
> Beacon back to the city
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Philip Kim]

goo gone is awesome

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
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> Goo Gone also works well.
>
> --Eric Norris
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>
> On May 17, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
> Hatchet! Grin.
>
> Actually, lighter fluid and a rag will do wonders.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-6, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>> Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Hugh Smitham]

Goo Gone. I'm impatient so I put some elbow grease in the process.

~Hugh

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 7:52:13 AM UTC-7, Rob H. wrote:
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> I've had this beat up set of Alba bars for a while, don't quite remember 
> if they're the CrMo or Aluminum bars. At any rate, I've got tape on it from 
> levers all the way to the center clamp. Now I've decided to put them on a 
> new Clementine and want to change out the stem.
>
> Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?
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Re: [RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

[Marc40a]

Interesting, Jeff. I just made the switch from Barlow Pass (great tires, 
BTW) to 45mm Smart Sams (no fenders). 

If my back rim, my rack, rear brakes and the planets are in perfect 
alignment, I can squeeze them in without any rubbing - barely. My first 
ride was this past weekend on an incredibly gnarly but equally beautiful 
hill near my house. It was amazing. 

Was it the just the fear of misalignment or an actual misalignment that 
caused you to switch? 

My current thought is that I'll pack a smaller diameter folding tire in my 
bag for extended trips, just in case.

Best,
Marc




 

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 5:53:25 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> Those are Bruce Gordon Rock n' Roads 700x43. I bought the woody fenders 
> split in two segments per wheel just for those tires, but after a few 
> off-road rides, I found the general suggestion that fenders+knobby tires 
> are risky to hold true. The tires were great on tour last year over much 
> mixed surface riding, but I'm back to rolling on Compass Barlow Pass tires.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016, Marc40a <40ah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> What size/brand are those knobby tires in the last few pictures in the 
>> series?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:58:24 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back 
>>> - I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the 
>>> standard riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the 
>>> leather Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here 
>>> and there, and settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after 
>>> matching shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then 
>>> trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:
>>>
>>> https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> Silver Spring, MD
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B  wrote:
>>>
 I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!

 So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await 
 shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.

 Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm 
 sure it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but 
 wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their 
 Sage Sammy pics?

 cheers,
 Jack
 Portland, OR

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[RBW] WTB: Rivendell TourSacks Grey (rear panniers)

[WETH]

As the title indicates, I am hoping someone has a set of Grey TourSacks 
they are willing to sell. 

(Please note: I am not looking for the Sackville Backabike rear bag.)

Please reply off list if possible.

Thanks,
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[RBW] Brooks saddle repair?

[Matt C.]

+1 to Simon Firth and his quality saddle repairs. 

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[RBW] Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[EGNolan]

Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull 
her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on 
this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
bikeflights) of course.

Best,
Eric 
Indianapolis, IN 

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[RBW] Re: Near mint Rambouillet -- how much?

[jason]

I sold one almost exactly with the same specs and condition a couple of years 
ago for somewhere between $1400-$1500.  I remember there was a buyer but only 
mild other interest from the list.  

The list in my experience is very efficient at pricing.  Price it to low you 
get a lot of interest and it sells fast.  Price it too high and it languishes.  
Price it right and 1-2 people will speak up for it.  

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[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Scott McLain]

I really appreciate Grant sharing his thoughts on various subjects.

To me, suggesting that Riv should put disc brakes on a bike is very similar 
to asking them to add a suspension fork to a Hunq.

Riv bikes strike me as more of an atisan created bicycle that has been 
refined through many years of trial and error.  As opposed to design 
through computer aided engineering techniques.  I very seriously doubt that 
Grant has engaged an engineer to do a finite element analysis model for one 
of his bikes.

If you want a steel bike with disc brakes there are plenty of them 
available.  If you want a lugged steel frame with canti's and a quill stem, 
there are very few options.

It is not a question of one right answer, but more about do what you like. 
 I like canti's and side pull's.  

Two things I don't like about discs:  I end up hauling a lot of bikes 
around and frequently taking off front wheels.  I think it is much easier 
to take off a front wheel on a QR canti bike than a disc thru axle and I 
have to pry the pads apart if I bump the brake lever while the wheel is 
out.  And it is going to get harder to find nice wheels for rim brakes in 
the future because the rim manufacturers as discs become more prevalent.

Best,
Scott


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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[Bill Lindsay]

I sold mine to Rob from Ocean Air Cycles.  Maybe his riders have graduated 
and he can pass it to you?

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:02:14 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull 
> her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on 
> this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
> hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
> willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
> it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
> bikeflights) of course.
>
> Best,
> Eric 
> Indianapolis, IN 
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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[Deacon Patrick]

PM Sent.

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:02:14 AM UTC-6, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull 
> her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on 
> this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
> hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
> willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
> it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
> bikeflights) of course.
>
> Best,
> Eric 
> Indianapolis, IN 
>

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[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[RJM]

Rim brakes are fine for road biking and fine for a touring bike where 
speeds aren't getting too fast. I can see the allure to disc brake equipped 
touring bikes though since the weight is higher and the possibility of over 
cooking a rim on a mountain descent is real. 

However

There is absolutely no way I'm going back to rim brakes on mountain bikes 
thoughand hydraulics are so much better than cable in that arena. Here 
is the thing, hydraulic disc brakes are super simple to work on and aren't 
a black box, no more so than cable actuated brakes. The feel of disc brakes 
when ripping down a trail is loads better than rim brakes, and that 
includes v-brakes which are strong, powerful brakes. The ease at which I 
can scrub speed on my Trek Fuel which uses Shimano XT hydraulic disc is so 
awesome and needed, because I really don't think I could be riding the way 
I do down the trail with a rim brake. 

Two problems exist with rim braking on a mountain bike, IMHO...mud and 
grime getting all over the brake track which seems to happen on every ride, 
and the lever feel stays the same with disc, which doesn't with rim 
braking. I'm not describing that correctly though; what I mean is that rim 
braking doesn't seem consistent in the muddy world of mountain biking, 
compared to hydraulic disc. 

I took my very nice 1996 26" wheeled specialized stumpjumper with canti's 
out on the trail not too long ago just to see how it rode and play around. 
The one thing I took from that ride is that rim brakes on mountain bikes 
suck compared to a disc brake setup. No contest.

Setting up and servicing hydraulic disc brakes like Shimano's XTs is an 
easier process than setting up canti brakes, especially premier brakes like 
Pauls, which I find are a pain in the butt to work on. Seriously, they 
aren't difficult at all. 

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> Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. 
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[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[RJM]

I should add that my other mountain bike is a fully rigid single 
speed Niner Sir9, which is a steel 29'er with a carbon fork (yeah, yeah, I 
know.) The bike is fun, but utilizes disc brakes. I do wish riv would 
produce a steel frame bike with disk like the Bombadil disc model, because 
I would be all over it. Rigid fork mountain bikes  are a blast. 

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> Rim brakes are fine for road biking and fine for a touring bike where 
> speeds aren't getting too fast. I can see the allure to disc brake equipped 
> touring bikes though since the weight is higher and the possibility of over 
> cooking a rim on a mountain descent is real. 
>
> However
>
> There is absolutely no way I'm going back to rim brakes on mountain bikes 
> thoughand hydraulics are so much better than cable in that arena. Here 
> is the thing, hydraulic disc brakes are super simple to work on and aren't 
> a black box, no more so than cable actuated brakes. The feel of disc brakes 
> when ripping down a trail is loads better than rim brakes, and that 
> includes v-brakes which are strong, powerful brakes. The ease at which I 
> can scrub speed on my Trek Fuel which uses Shimano XT hydraulic disc is so 
> awesome and needed, because I really don't think I could be riding the way 
> I do down the trail with a rim brake. 
>
> Two problems exist with rim braking on a mountain bike, IMHO...mud and 
> grime getting all over the brake track which seems to happen on every ride, 
> and the lever feel stays the same with disc, which doesn't with rim 
> braking. I'm not describing that correctly though; what I mean is that rim 
> braking doesn't seem consistent in the muddy world of mountain biking, 
> compared to hydraulic disc. 
>
> I took my very nice 1996 26" wheeled specialized stumpjumper with canti's 
> out on the trail not too long ago just to see how it rode and play around. 
> The one thing I took from that ride is that rim brakes on mountain bikes 
> suck compared to a disc brake setup. No contest.
>
> Setting up and servicing hydraulic disc brakes like Shimano's XTs is an 
> easier process than setting up canti brakes, especially premier brakes like 
> Pauls, which I find are a pain in the butt to work on. Seriously, they 
> aren't difficult at all. 
>
> On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>
>> Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[RJM]

I will also add and repeat that I don't really see much advantage to disc 
brakes on road bikes, especially ones using aluminum rims. 

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:29:17 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> I should add that my other mountain bike is a fully rigid single 
> speed Niner Sir9, which is a steel 29'er with a carbon fork (yeah, yeah, I 
> know.) The bike is fun, but utilizes disc brakes. I do wish riv would 
> produce a steel frame bike with disk like the Bombadil disc model, because 
> I would be all over it. Rigid fork mountain bikes  are a blast. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Rim brakes are fine for road biking and fine for a touring bike where 
>> speeds aren't getting too fast. I can see the allure to disc brake equipped 
>> touring bikes though since the weight is higher and the possibility of over 
>> cooking a rim on a mountain descent is real. 
>>
>> However
>>
>> There is absolutely no way I'm going back to rim brakes on mountain bikes 
>> thoughand hydraulics are so much better than cable in that arena. Here 
>> is the thing, hydraulic disc brakes are super simple to work on and aren't 
>> a black box, no more so than cable actuated brakes. The feel of disc brakes 
>> when ripping down a trail is loads better than rim brakes, and that 
>> includes v-brakes which are strong, powerful brakes. The ease at which I 
>> can scrub speed on my Trek Fuel which uses Shimano XT hydraulic disc is so 
>> awesome and needed, because I really don't think I could be riding the way 
>> I do down the trail with a rim brake. 
>>
>> Two problems exist with rim braking on a mountain bike, IMHO...mud and 
>> grime getting all over the brake track which seems to happen on every ride, 
>> and the lever feel stays the same with disc, which doesn't with rim 
>> braking. I'm not describing that correctly though; what I mean is that rim 
>> braking doesn't seem consistent in the muddy world of mountain biking, 
>> compared to hydraulic disc. 
>>
>> I took my very nice 1996 26" wheeled specialized stumpjumper with canti's 
>> out on the trail not too long ago just to see how it rode and play around. 
>> The one thing I took from that ride is that rim brakes on mountain bikes 
>> suck compared to a disc brake setup. No contest.
>>
>> Setting up and servicing hydraulic disc brakes like Shimano's XTs is an 
>> easier process than setting up canti brakes, especially premier brakes like 
>> Pauls, which I find are a pain in the butt to work on. Seriously, they 
>> aren't difficult at all. 
>>
>> On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>>
>>> Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Patrick Moore]

I think a disc equipped Hunq or Atlantis would be wonderful.

Can't you find bolt-on brackets for rear disk calipers? If so, wouldn't the
easy way to do this be to offer a choice of rim brake or disk brake forks?

Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:29 AM, RJM  wrote:

> I should add that my other mountain bike is a fully rigid single
> speed Niner Sir9, which is a steel 29'er with a carbon fork (yeah, yeah, I
> know.) The bike is fun, but utilizes disc brakes. I do wish riv would
> produce a steel frame bike with disk like the Bombadil disc model, because
> I would be all over it. Rigid fork mountain bikes  are a blast.
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Rim brakes are fine for road biking and fine for a touring bike where
>> speeds aren't getting too fast. I can see the allure to disc brake equipped
>> touring bikes though since the weight is higher and the possibility of over
>> cooking a rim on a mountain descent is real.
>>
>> However
>>
>> There is absolutely no way I'm going back to rim brakes on mountain bikes
>> thoughand hydraulics are so much better than cable in that arena. Here
>> is the thing, hydraulic disc brakes are super simple to work on and aren't
>> a black box, no more so than cable actuated brakes. The feel of disc brakes
>> when ripping down a trail is loads better than rim brakes, and that
>> includes v-brakes which are strong, powerful brakes. The ease at which I
>> can scrub speed on my Trek Fuel which uses Shimano XT hydraulic disc is so
>> awesome and needed, because I really don't think I could be riding the way
>> I do down the trail with a rim brake.
>>
>> Two problems exist with rim braking on a mountain bike, IMHO...mud and
>> grime getting all over the brake track which seems to happen on every ride,
>> and the lever feel stays the same with disc, which doesn't with rim
>> braking. I'm not describing that correctly though; what I mean is that rim
>> braking doesn't seem consistent in the muddy world of mountain biking,
>> compared to hydraulic disc.
>>
>> I took my very nice 1996 26" wheeled specialized stumpjumper with canti's
>> out on the trail not too long ago just to see how it rode and play around.
>> The one thing I took from that ride is that rim brakes on mountain bikes
>> suck compared to a disc brake setup. No contest.
>>
>> Setting up and servicing hydraulic disc brakes like Shimano's XTs is an
>> easier process than setting up canti brakes, especially premier brakes like
>> Pauls, which I find are a pain in the butt to work on. Seriously, they
>> aren't difficult at all.
>>
>> On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>>
>>> Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, I use a "plastic wool" dish scrubbie along with Goo Gone.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Hugh Smitham 
wrote:

> Goo Gone. I'm impatient so I put some elbow grease in the process.
>
> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore asked:
"Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?"

They spell it that way because that's the way it is spelled.  Generally if 
you choose to spell it 'disk', everyone will know what you are talking 
about.  Only the uptight jerks will correct you, or claim that they don't 
know what you are talking about.  Kind of like derailer and derailleur.  

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[RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Bill Lindsay]

If you are just pulling tape off to enable a stem swap, consider just 
rewrapping after the stem swap without cleaning off the goo.  You avoid the 
chemicals and add to the wabi-sabi appeal of your build

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 7:52:13 AM UTC-7, Rob H. wrote:
>
> I've had this beat up set of Alba bars for a while, don't quite remember 
> if they're the CrMo or Aluminum bars. At any rate, I've got tape on it from 
> levers all the way to the center clamp. Now I've decided to put them on a 
> new Clementine and want to change out the stem.
>
> Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[reynoldslugs]

Well, this has been enlightening. 

It was a pretty good blug post.  I like the non-technical part: "This is 
just a BLUG, not a stone tablet."

Many of these posts have been pretty thoughtful, and I enjoyed the 
discussion.  Of my 30-odd bikes, none are disk-, I mean disc-braked. So, I 
think I'll have one built and see if i like it.

on that note, I'm going for a ride.

Max in Sunny Sonoma County

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/17/2016 01:48 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
If you are just pulling tape off to enable a stem swap, consider just 
rewrapping after the stem swap without cleaning off the goo.  You 
avoid the chemicals and add to the wabi-sabi appeal of your build


And who knows, it might even make the new bar wrap stick better.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm A. Homer Hilsen on OC/San Diego Craigslist

[Ryan Fleming]

Not that that's a bad thing...what's the purpose of that large end cap 
(don't know what else to call it) on the drivetrain side? Just curious

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 11:13:54 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> Looks to be bog standard RBW livery, all the way down to the Rich-built 
> wheels.
>
> Not mine, no affiliation, etc. 
>
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5586943591.html
>
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> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm A. Homer Hilsen on OC/San Diego Craigslist

[Minh]

hub area light holder, illuminates down by the road

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:00:15 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Not that that's a bad thing...what's the purpose of that large end cap 
> (don't know what else to call it) on the drivetrain side? Just curious
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 11:13:54 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>>
>> Looks to be bog standard RBW livery, all the way down to the Rich-built 
>> wheels.
>>
>> Not mine, no affiliation, etc. 
>>
>> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5586943591.html
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Los Angeles, CA USA
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm A. Homer Hilsen on OC/San Diego Craigslist

[Bill Lindsay]

Ryan

That looks like a Paul Components Gino Mount:




On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:00:15 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
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> Not that that's a bad thing...what's the purpose of that large end cap 
> (don't know what else to call it) on the drivetrain side? Just curious
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Philip Kim]

 disc hunq would indeed be wonderful...

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:32:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I think a disc equipped Hunq or Atlantis would be wonderful. 
>
> Can't you find bolt-on brackets for rear disk calipers? If so, wouldn't 
> the easy way to do this be to offer a choice of rim brake or disk brake 
> forks?
>
> Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:29 AM, RJM > 
> wrote:
>
>> I should add that my other mountain bike is a fully rigid single 
>> speed Niner Sir9, which is a steel 29'er with a carbon fork (yeah, yeah, I 
>> know.) The bike is fun, but utilizes disc brakes. I do wish riv would 
>> produce a steel frame bike with disk like the Bombadil disc model, because 
>> I would be all over it. Rigid fork mountain bikes  are a blast. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>>
>>> Rim brakes are fine for road biking and fine for a touring bike where 
>>> speeds aren't getting too fast. I can see the allure to disc brake equipped 
>>> touring bikes though since the weight is higher and the possibility of over 
>>> cooking a rim on a mountain descent is real. 
>>>
>>> However
>>>
>>> There is absolutely no way I'm going back to rim brakes on mountain 
>>> bikes thoughand hydraulics are so much better than cable in that arena. 
>>> Here is the thing, hydraulic disc brakes are super simple to work on and 
>>> aren't a black box, no more so than cable actuated brakes. The feel of disc 
>>> brakes when ripping down a trail is loads better than rim brakes, and that 
>>> includes v-brakes which are strong, powerful brakes. The ease at which I 
>>> can scrub speed on my Trek Fuel which uses Shimano XT hydraulic disc is so 
>>> awesome and needed, because I really don't think I could be riding the way 
>>> I do down the trail with a rim brake. 
>>>
>>> Two problems exist with rim braking on a mountain bike, IMHO...mud and 
>>> grime getting all over the brake track which seems to happen on every ride, 
>>> and the lever feel stays the same with disc, which doesn't with rim 
>>> braking. I'm not describing that correctly though; what I mean is that rim 
>>> braking doesn't seem consistent in the muddy world of mountain biking, 
>>> compared to hydraulic disc. 
>>>
>>> I took my very nice 1996 26" wheeled specialized stumpjumper with 
>>> canti's out on the trail not too long ago just to see how it rode and play 
>>> around. The one thing I took from that ride is that rim brakes on mountain 
>>> bikes suck compared to a disc brake setup. No contest.
>>>
>>> Setting up and servicing hydraulic disc brakes like Shimano's XTs is an 
>>> easier process than setting up canti brakes, especially premier brakes like 
>>> Pauls, which I find are a pain in the butt to work on. Seriously, they 
>>> aren't difficult at all. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>>>
 Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Philip Kim]

i hadn't even thought about that! A disc Hunq would definitely be awesome. 
Especially since the Clem / Appaloosa are slowly overlapping into Hunq 
territory...

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:32:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I think a disc equipped Hunq or Atlantis would be wonderful. 
>
> Can't you find bolt-on brackets for rear disk calipers? If so, wouldn't 
> the easy way to do this be to offer a choice of rim brake or disk brake 
> forks?
>
> Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:29 AM, RJM > 
> wrote:
>
>> I should add that my other mountain bike is a fully rigid single 
>> speed Niner Sir9, which is a steel 29'er with a carbon fork (yeah, yeah, I 
>> know.) The bike is fun, but utilizes disc brakes. I do wish riv would 
>> produce a steel frame bike with disk like the Bombadil disc model, because 
>> I would be all over it. Rigid fork mountain bikes  are a blast. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>>
>>> Rim brakes are fine for road biking and fine for a touring bike where 
>>> speeds aren't getting too fast. I can see the allure to disc brake equipped 
>>> touring bikes though since the weight is higher and the possibility of over 
>>> cooking a rim on a mountain descent is real. 
>>>
>>> However
>>>
>>> There is absolutely no way I'm going back to rim brakes on mountain 
>>> bikes thoughand hydraulics are so much better than cable in that arena. 
>>> Here is the thing, hydraulic disc brakes are super simple to work on and 
>>> aren't a black box, no more so than cable actuated brakes. The feel of disc 
>>> brakes when ripping down a trail is loads better than rim brakes, and that 
>>> includes v-brakes which are strong, powerful brakes. The ease at which I 
>>> can scrub speed on my Trek Fuel which uses Shimano XT hydraulic disc is so 
>>> awesome and needed, because I really don't think I could be riding the way 
>>> I do down the trail with a rim brake. 
>>>
>>> Two problems exist with rim braking on a mountain bike, IMHO...mud and 
>>> grime getting all over the brake track which seems to happen on every ride, 
>>> and the lever feel stays the same with disc, which doesn't with rim 
>>> braking. I'm not describing that correctly though; what I mean is that rim 
>>> braking doesn't seem consistent in the muddy world of mountain biking, 
>>> compared to hydraulic disc. 
>>>
>>> I took my very nice 1996 26" wheeled specialized stumpjumper with 
>>> canti's out on the trail not too long ago just to see how it rode and play 
>>> around. The one thing I took from that ride is that rim brakes on mountain 
>>> bikes suck compared to a disc brake setup. No contest.
>>>
>>> Setting up and servicing hydraulic disc brakes like Shimano's XTs is an 
>>> easier process than setting up canti brakes, especially premier brakes like 
>>> Pauls, which I find are a pain in the butt to work on. Seriously, they 
>>> aren't difficult at all. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>>>
 Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. 

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[JohnS]

Hello Eric,

Hope the Piccolo and tandem work out for you. I had the same set up when my 
two sons were younger, but I've sold the Piccolo since they out grew it. I 
always liked the bull moose rack which comes with the Piccolo, very stable 
and a much better mounting system than attaching to the seat post like 
other trailer bikes do.

Good luck,
JohnS

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:02:14 PM UTC-4, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull 
> her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on 
> this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
> hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
> willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
> it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
> bikeflights) of course.
>
> Best,
> Eric 
> Indianapolis, IN 
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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repair?

[JohnS]

Thanks for the recommendations for Firth and Wilson. I'm restoring a '61 
Raleigh Sports for a neighbor friend of mine and the leather on the B71 has 
seen better days. Hopefully they can help.

Thanks again,
JohnS


On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:29:22 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
>
> I bent the rails on one of my Brooks B17 saddles.  I was fooling around, 
> hopping stuff, and my foot slipped off the pedal so I came down hard on one 
> side of the saddle.  
> My tookus is fine, but the saddle had a 10 to 20 degree slump to the 
> right, as seen from behind.  
>
> I bent the saddle back into alignment by hand, but now it has an annoying 
> "creak" from that side (when I pedal with my right leg).  I haven't closely 
> inspected it, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's the beginnings of a 
> stress crack in the rail where it was bent and then bent back.
>
> Do any list members do saddle repair?  Or know of a shop that does?  It 
> looks like I can order a new rail assembly 
> 
>  
> for about a quarter of the cost of a new B17, but the repair would require 
> someone to drill out the rivets and replace them.
>
> This is a relatively-new B17 (~2000 miles on it) so I'd prefer to keep it 
> going than to pitch it and start fresh.
>
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Tim Gavin
> Cedar Rapids, IA
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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

They're still little, imagine he'll be able to get many more years of use 
out of it.


On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:06:17 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I sold mine to Rob from Ocean Air Cycles.  Maybe his riders have graduated 
> and he can pass it to you?
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:02:14 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull 
>> her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on 
>> this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
>> hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
>> willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
>> it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
>> bikeflights) of course.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eric 
>> Indianapolis, IN 
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bar end shifters

[kielsun]

Thanks for the offers, folks! I'm all set.

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[RJM]

I've had disc brakes on 4 bikes now, two cable actuated and two hydraulic. 
Honestly, I think hydros are so much better and not that much more 
difficult to setup compared to cable pull. I'd honestly rather use hydros 
because they are easier to pull (1 finger braking), more powerful, and have 
consistent feel and I felt that the cable actuated brakes lacked that 
performance. TRP does have a brake that has all the hydros in the caliper, 
but I've never used them. Bleeding brakes isn't difficult at all, but I may 
be approaching this from a different place because in a past life I was an 
automotive mechanic where bleeding brakes is normal. I don't find it weird 
or difficult at all to setup a hydraulic braking system on a bike. 

I find cantis to be a regular pain in the butt to setup and adjust, and was 
always a little befuddled why people liked them over V-brakes, which I find 
much easier to set and forget. 


On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 11:19:47 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> "Couldn't be easier" is, in my experience over 4 bikes with various cable 
> disk systems, not quite accurate. It's certainly not rocket science, and 
> *once 
> you find the right method* it is straightforward, but it took me a long 
> while to find that method.
>
> Sidepulls are easiest. V brakes, at least decent ones, are easy to setup, 
> as are, slightly less so, wide profile cantis. Low profile cantis are a 
> pain in the ass, IME. Centerpulls are much like wide profile cantis. 
> Gauging all this from my own experience
>
> BB7s are about as easy as brakes requiring cable yokes, IME, and easier 
> than low profiles, at least with drop bar levers.
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Mark Reimer  > wrote:
>
>> Servicing discs could not be easier. Hydraulic's are a bit more finicky, 
>> but they're no more difficult to dial in than my Paul canti's are. Changing 
>> the pads takes 60 seconds. Actually the more I think about it, the more I 
>> think discs are much easier to setup and service than rim brakes. You just 
>> have to do it once to catch on. 
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:56 AM, 'Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> I am a satisfied rim braker. I've never seriously considered riding 
>>> discs but I can see the attraction in avoiding compromised braking in the 
>>> wet and annoying mud on rim grinding noises when off road.
>>>
>>> One big factor that Grant has missed is the wear effect of rim brakes. 
>>> Sooner or later the rim will need replacing. That means a wheel rebuild 
>>> which may well lead to getting a new hub at the same time. That's a whole 
>>> new wheel just because your brakes are worn - quite a waste if you have 
>>> decent, handbuilt wheels that otherwise would have lasted a long time. On a 
>>> disc system, you just replace the disc.
>>>
>>> The related thing is that wear on the rim is hard to detect. You either 
>>> play it safe or you take it to the limit - which you only reach when your 
>>> rim is so compromised it blows. Discs are far more transparent. As Mark 
>>> says above, on this basis Grant's preference for rim brakes goes against 
>>> the usual argument for steel over carbon.
>>>
>>> On the issue of servicing, I've never worked on disc brakes but surely 
>>> if you avoid hydraulics and stick with cable operated then servicing/repair 
>>> is easy.
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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:41:51 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Patrick Moore asked:
> "Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?"
>
> They spell it that way because that's the way it is spelled.  Generally if 
> you choose to spell it 'disk', everyone will know what you are talking 
> about.  Only the uptight jerks will correct you, or claim that they don't 
> know what you are talking about.  Kind of like derailer and derailleur.  
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[RBW] Re: Save them from the trash bin. Free tubular tires and some clincher road tires too.

[Bill Lindsay]

nobody wanted them so they've been tossed.  

On Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> In the inexorable pendular swing between collect and purge, my garage is 
> going through a purge.  One of the items on the chopping block is a small 
> pile of tubular tires.  
>
> Three basic Vittoria road tubulars.  
>
> Two cyclocross knobby tubulars.
>
> Free to whomever wants them.  Reimbursement for shipping appreciated but 
> not required.  I believe all hold air, but one of the knobbies I seem to 
> recollect needed a patch.  
>
> Also for free I have a pair of Michelin Axial Pro 700x23 road clinchers.  
> Far too skinny and nowhere near supple enough for today.  These came on a 
> high end complete bike I bought in the early 00s.  I swapped them out and 
> have kept them in my tire box ever since.  "Aged" I guess you'd call them
>
> Here are links to three photos:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/26738907520
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/26738906500
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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Philip Kim]

i recently saw norvidian modded with discs. I wonder if that is safe and if 
someone really wanted discs could do that to an atlantis or a hunq safely. 
just hypotheticals here

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> i hadn't even thought about that! A disc Hunq would definitely be awesome. 
> Especially since the Clem / Appaloosa are slowly overlapping into Hunq 
> territory...
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:32:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I think a disc equipped Hunq or Atlantis would be wonderful. 
>>
>> Can't you find bolt-on brackets for rear disk calipers? If so, wouldn't 
>> the easy way to do this be to offer a choice of rim brake or disk brake 
>> forks?
>>
>> Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:29 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>
>>> I should add that my other mountain bike is a fully rigid single 
>>> speed Niner Sir9, which is a steel 29'er with a carbon fork (yeah, yeah, I 
>>> know.) The bike is fun, but utilizes disc brakes. I do wish riv would 
>>> produce a steel frame bike with disk like the Bombadil disc model, because 
>>> I would be all over it. Rigid fork mountain bikes  are a blast. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:

 Rim brakes are fine for road biking and fine for a touring bike where 
 speeds aren't getting too fast. I can see the allure to disc brake 
 equipped 
 touring bikes though since the weight is higher and the possibility of 
 over 
 cooking a rim on a mountain descent is real. 

 However

 There is absolutely no way I'm going back to rim brakes on mountain 
 bikes thoughand hydraulics are so much better than cable in that 
 arena. 
 Here is the thing, hydraulic disc brakes are super simple to work on and 
 aren't a black box, no more so than cable actuated brakes. The feel of 
 disc 
 brakes when ripping down a trail is loads better than rim brakes, and that 
 includes v-brakes which are strong, powerful brakes. The ease at which I 
 can scrub speed on my Trek Fuel which uses Shimano XT hydraulic disc is so 
 awesome and needed, because I really don't think I could be riding the way 
 I do down the trail with a rim brake. 

 Two problems exist with rim braking on a mountain bike, IMHO...mud and 
 grime getting all over the brake track which seems to happen on every 
 ride, 
 and the lever feel stays the same with disc, which doesn't with rim 
 braking. I'm not describing that correctly though; what I mean is that rim 
 braking doesn't seem consistent in the muddy world of mountain biking, 
 compared to hydraulic disc. 

 I took my very nice 1996 26" wheeled specialized stumpjumper with 
 canti's out on the trail not too long ago just to see how it rode and play 
 around. The one thing I took from that ride is that rim brakes on mountain 
 bikes suck compared to a disc brake setup. No contest.

 Setting up and servicing hydraulic disc brakes like Shimano's XTs is an 
 easier process than setting up canti brakes, especially premier brakes 
 like 
 Pauls, which I find are a pain in the butt to work on. Seriously, they 
 aren't difficult at all. 

 On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:

> Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. 
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>>
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[RBW] FS: 1980s project road bike. Nishiki Tri-A $150

[Bill Lindsay]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157668403003915

For Sale is a 1985 Nishiki Tri A road bike.  55cm c-to-t ST.  55.5 c-to-c 
TT.  Almost complete original Shimano 600 SIS group.  All that is missing 
is a Shimano-compatible 6 speed freewheel, and I tossed the worn out BB, 
and replaced it with a Ritchey sealed BB.  Plenty of paint beausage, but it 
would make a tough bike to live.  

It's a project road bike.  You'll have to hang cables, supply a chain and 
FW, and buy an appropriate seat bolt.  $150 + shipping.  Proceeds go to El 
Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing.  If you want to call your payment 
a donation, I can even give you a tax id number so you can write it off.  


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Mark Reimer]

Speaking as someone who loves disc brakes and really wants a disc Riv, I
wouldn't modify an existing Riv to take disc brakes. They were never
designed for them.

What I would love to see is a Riv model that is LIKE a Hunq or Atlantis,
but designed from the ground up for discs. Not just disc tabs slapped on
and braced up the wazoo where required. There's been much talk in this
thread already about the special frame bracing required to handle the
stress of discs. That's not inherently a problem, but does need to be
designed into the frame.

Given the stoutness of the frames, you probably COULD do this to the frame,
but I'd have serious doubts about the fork. If memory serves me correctly,
most disc conversions I've seen have a new fork, with a rear disc tab/brace
added to the frame.





On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> i recently saw norvidian modded with discs. I wonder if that is safe and
> if someone really wanted discs could do that to an atlantis or a hunq
> safely. just hypotheticals here
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> i hadn't even thought about that! A disc Hunq would definitely be
>> awesome. Especially since the Clem / Appaloosa are slowly overlapping into
>> Hunq territory...
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:32:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I think a disc equipped Hunq or Atlantis would be wonderful.
>>>
>>> Can't you find bolt-on brackets for rear disk calipers? If so, wouldn't
>>> the easy way to do this be to offer a choice of rim brake or disk brake
>>> forks?
>>>
>>> Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:29 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>>
 I should add that my other mountain bike is a fully rigid single
 speed Niner Sir9, which is a steel 29'er with a carbon fork (yeah, yeah, I
 know.) The bike is fun, but utilizes disc brakes. I do wish riv would
 produce a steel frame bike with disk like the Bombadil disc model, because
 I would be all over it. Rigid fork mountain bikes  are a blast.

 On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> Rim brakes are fine for road biking and fine for a touring bike where
> speeds aren't getting too fast. I can see the allure to disc brake 
> equipped
> touring bikes though since the weight is higher and the possibility of 
> over
> cooking a rim on a mountain descent is real.
>
> However
>
> There is absolutely no way I'm going back to rim brakes on mountain
> bikes thoughand hydraulics are so much better than cable in that 
> arena.
> Here is the thing, hydraulic disc brakes are super simple to work on and
> aren't a black box, no more so than cable actuated brakes. The feel of 
> disc
> brakes when ripping down a trail is loads better than rim brakes, and that
> includes v-brakes which are strong, powerful brakes. The ease at which I
> can scrub speed on my Trek Fuel which uses Shimano XT hydraulic disc is so
> awesome and needed, because I really don't think I could be riding the way
> I do down the trail with a rim brake.
>
> Two problems exist with rim braking on a mountain bike, IMHO...mud and
> grime getting all over the brake track which seems to happen on every 
> ride,
> and the lever feel stays the same with disc, which doesn't with rim
> braking. I'm not describing that correctly though; what I mean is that rim
> braking doesn't seem consistent in the muddy world of mountain biking,
> compared to hydraulic disc.
>
> I took my very nice 1996 26" wheeled specialized stumpjumper with
> canti's out on the trail not too long ago just to see how it rode and play
> around. The one thing I took from that ride is that rim brakes on mountain
> bikes suck compared to a disc brake setup. No contest.
>
> Setting up and servicing hydraulic disc brakes like Shimano's XTs is
> an easier process than setting up canti brakes, especially premier brakes
> like Pauls, which I find are a pain in the butt to work on. Seriously, 
> they
> aren't difficult at all.
>
> On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>
>> Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts.
>>
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[RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

[Jeff Lesperance]

I tried squeezing the Rock n' Roads under my original longboard fenders,
and I didn't have enough vertical clearance at the fork crown and front
brake. Around the same time I had seen a blug post where they had cut and
installed fenders on a Sam if I remember correctly for the same reason. I
was looking for a flat, non-curved fender to possibly mitigate some of the
risk of running knobby tires with fenders, and found the woody fenders.

Cody at Woody's fenders offered a "split kit" with extra hardware needed to
split the front and rear fenders if needed. I had him split the front
fender for me as I knew for sure I'd need it there, and bought the extra
hardware from him in case I needed to split the rear as well. Per my
recollection I don't think it NEEDED to split the rear, but it gave a bit
more wiggle room in doing so.

Here's s couple pics that I took when I initially did the install:

https://goo.gl/photos/PGFP7zhM4H6q8Jhn7

I found that with fenders and knobby tires, riding in gravel, I had a few
incidents where rocks got caught up and theater bed to do bad things. I
only took the rock n' roads off because I haven't been using Sam for
off-road riding since my last tour. They're great tires, he just spends
most of his time on the pavement now, so Compass tires get the nod.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Marc40a <40ah...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Interesting, Jeff. I just made the switch from Barlow Pass (great tires,
> BTW) to 45mm Smart Sams (no fenders).
>
> If my back rim, my rack, rear brakes and the planets are in perfect
> alignment, I can squeeze them in without any rubbing - barely. My first
> ride was this past weekend on an incredibly gnarly but equally beautiful
> hill near my house. It was amazing.
>
> Was it the just the fear of misalignment or an actual misalignment that
> caused you to switch?
>
> My current thought is that I'll pack a smaller diameter folding tire in my
> bag for extended trips, just in case.
>
> Best,
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 5:53:25 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>
>> Those are Bruce Gordon Rock n' Roads 700x43. I bought the woody fenders
>> split in two segments per wheel just for those tires, but after a few
>> off-road rides, I found the general suggestion that fenders+knobby tires
>> are risky to hold true. The tires were great on tour last year over much
>> mixed surface riding, but I'm back to rolling on Compass Barlow Pass tires.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2016, Marc40a <40ah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> What size/brand are those knobby tires in the last few pictures in the
>>> series?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:58:24 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

 I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back
 - I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the
 standard riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the
 leather Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here
 and there, and settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after
 matching shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then
 trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:

 https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7

 -Jeff
 Silver Spring, MD

 On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B  wrote:

> I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!
>
> So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await
> shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.
>
> Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm
> sure it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but
> wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their
> Sage Sammy pics?
>
> cheers,
> Jack
> Portland, OR
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[RBW] This Really happened!

[Hugh Smitham]

A sort of longish post about a recent SoCal bike adventure.

You can read about it here 

.

Cheers,

~Hugh 

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Patrick Moore]

This is too enigmatic for me.

Patrick "I thought it might be a US/UK difference" Moore

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Patrick Moore asked:
> "Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?"
>
> They spell it that way because that's the way it is spelled.  Generally if
> you choose to spell it 'disk', everyone will know what you are talking
> about.  Only the uptight jerks will correct you, or claim that they don't
> know what you are talking about.  Kind of like derailer and derailleur.
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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[EGNolan]

Thanks to everyone. This portion of the adventure has been resolved & I'm 
looking forward with excitement to what the Piccolo will allow our li'l 
family to do on bikes.

Best,
Eric

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:46:38 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

> They're still little, imagine he'll be able to get many more years of use 
> out of it.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:06:17 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I sold mine to Rob from Ocean Air Cycles.  Maybe his riders have 
>> graduated and he can pass it to you?
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:02:14 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull 
>>> her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on 
>>> this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
>>> hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
>>> willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
>>> it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
>>> bikeflights) of course.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Eric 
>>> Indianapolis, IN 
>>>
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[RBW] Santa Fe (half) century?

[Patrick Moore]

Has anyone onlist done the half century? If so, can you tell me how steep
and how difficult it is? I am just *thinking* that I might try it this
Sunday.

10 years ago, 50 hilly miles on a 75" fixed gear wasn't that big of a deal,
but I've not done more than 20-30 mile rides for a long while, and I was
rather slack about riding in April. And, I'm 61 -- not that much older
riders can't do much more than this, but I'm not particularly strong.

If I do try it, I'll have the new S3X hub, geared either:

46X15: 76/57/48
46X16: 71/53/44
46X17: 67/50/42.

I'm tempted to use the 46X16. One thing that I can do is climb in highish
gears; that's not a problem. What worries me is the fatigue after about
30-35 miles.

Comments?

Patrick Moore, who had to "warm up" today with 4 miles east in a 70" gear
against an E wind gusting to 35, in otherwise pleasant ABQ, NM.



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[RBW] Re: Santa Fe (half) century?

[Patrick Moore]

This is from the website, which is encouraging, but I'll enjoy others'
comments.

This ride is great for cyclists of moderate ability. If you have done some
20-25 mile rides, you might surprise yourself at your ability to now do a
Half-Century!! The camaraderie and support of the other cyclists will
encourage you. Many riders are occasional weekend cyclists. But, because it
is 50 miles and does require some endurance, doing some training rides
prior to the event will add to your confidence and ability.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Has anyone onlist done the half century? If so, can you tell me how steep
> and how difficult it is? I am just *thinking* that I might try it this
> Sunday.
>
> 10 years ago, 50 hilly miles on a 75" fixed gear wasn't that big of a
> deal, but I've not done more than 20-30 mile rides for a long while, and I
> was rather slack about riding in April. And, I'm 61 -- not that much older
> riders can't do much more than this, but I'm not particularly strong.
>
> If I do try it, I'll have the new S3X hub, geared either:
>
> 46X15: 76/57/48
> 46X16: 71/53/44
> 46X17: 67/50/42.
>
> I'm tempted to use the 46X16. One thing that I can do is climb in highish
> gears; that's not a problem. What worries me is the fatigue after about
> 30-35 miles.
>
> Comments?
>
> Patrick Moore, who had to "warm up" today with 4 miles east in a 70" gear
> against an E wind gusting to 35, in otherwise pleasant ABQ, NM.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[Jeremy Tavan]

I hope you enjoy the Piccolo. My family has really enjoyed ours - my son is 
really excited about going out riding and keeps up a running commentary 
about which gear he's in. We've now got the Burley racks on both my Clem 
and my wife's Clementine, so we can trade off towing him on family trips, 
or either one of us can do individual trips. It's been very cool. I 
understand that one can buy a front wheel for it and turn it into a full 
bike - that should be a good next step.

/Jeremy

(Photo attached of The Fleet)

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:14:33 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone. This portion of the adventure has been resolved & I'm 
> looking forward with excitement to what the Piccolo will allow our li'l 
> family to do on bikes.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:46:38 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> They're still little, imagine he'll be able to get many more years of use 
>> out of it.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:06:17 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I sold mine to Rob from Ocean Air Cycles.  Maybe his riders have 
>>> graduated and he can pass it to you?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:02:14 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:

 Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to 
 pull her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some 
 on this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
 hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
 willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
 it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
 bikeflights) of course.

 Best,
 Eric 
 Indianapolis, IN 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repair?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Seems I spoke too soon, gentlemen. 
IIRC I offered my worn out B17N here a while back. 
There were no takers so I must have gotten rid of it.
Sorry to stoke hopes and dreams and then crush them. Or something like that.

Jay

BTW I finally installed the Rivet Pearl I bought and really like it so far. 
I may have a lightly used honey B17 Imperial for sale soon.


On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 9:33:56 PM UTC+3, JohnS wrote:
>
> Thanks for the recommendations for Firth and Wilson. I'm restoring a '61 
> Raleigh Sports for a neighbor friend of mine and the leather on the B71 has 
> seen better days. Hopefully they can help.
>
> Thanks again,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:29:22 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>>
>> I bent the rails on one of my Brooks B17 saddles.  I was fooling around, 
>> hopping stuff, and my foot slipped off the pedal so I came down hard on one 
>> side of the saddle.  
>> My tookus is fine, but the saddle had a 10 to 20 degree slump to the 
>> right, as seen from behind.  
>>
>> I bent the saddle back into alignment by hand, but now it has an annoying 
>> "creak" from that side (when I pedal with my right leg).  I haven't closely 
>> inspected it, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's the beginnings of a 
>> stress crack in the rail where it was bent and then bent back.
>>
>> Do any list members do saddle repair?  Or know of a shop that does?  It 
>> looks like I can order a new rail assembly 
>> 
>>  
>> for about a quarter of the cost of a new B17, but the repair would require 
>> someone to drill out the rivets and replace them.
>>
>> This is a relatively-new B17 (~2000 miles on it) so I'd prefer to keep it 
>> going than to pitch it and start fresh.
>>
>> Thanks for your advice,
>>
>> Tim Gavin
>> Cedar Rapids, IA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Santa Fe (half) century?

[Ryan Fleming]

FWIW from a flatlander from the windy prairies, given that you still ride 
fixed a lot and you have some gears to play with , you might be tired but 
you'll probably be OK I suspect. It sounds like you're very consistent and 
that's the key. I think the rule of thumb is if you can do at least 60% of 
the distance you'll be fine

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 3:19:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Has anyone onlist done the half century? If so, can you tell me how steep 
> and how difficult it is? I am just *thinking* that I might try it this 
> Sunday.
>
> 10 years ago, 50 hilly miles on a 75" fixed gear wasn't that big of a 
> deal, but I've not done more than 20-30 mile rides for a long while, and I 
> was rather slack about riding in April. And, I'm 61 -- not that much older 
> riders can't do much more than this, but I'm not particularly strong.
>
> If I do try it, I'll have the new S3X hub, geared either:
>
> 46X15: 76/57/48
> 46X16: 71/53/44
> 46X17: 67/50/42.
>
> I'm tempted to use the 46X16. One thing that I can do is climb in highish 
> gears; that's not a problem. What worries me is the fatigue after about 
> 30-35 miles. 
>
> Comments?
>
> Patrick Moore, who had to "warm up" today with 4 miles east in a 70" gear 
> against an E wind gusting to 35, in otherwise pleasant ABQ, NM.
>
>
>
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>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
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[RBW] appaloosa pedal dust cover

[Patrick Kelly]

Previously I discovered that I was missing a small part.

https://flic.kr/p/G5obap

It turns out that this is a "dust cover". I emailed dave@riv about it
and he immediately sent me a replacement part (and a gratuitous sam
hillborne brochure). So, awesome service on riv's part there.

I just put in the new one, and checked the other dust cover (on the
other pedal, obviously). The remaining one was loose! So I used
beeswax on both of them. I suspect that is sufficient. I have
locktite, but that seems a bit much in this case.

I just wanted to let other appaloosa folks (or anybody who has these
pedals, if there is anybody else) that they might wanna check their
dust covers, and put something in there to keep them from wandering
off.

cheerios

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm A. Homer Hilsen on OC/San Diego Craigslist

[Ryan Fleming]

what a neat thing! I had no idea...thanks!

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:08:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ryan
>
> That looks like a Paul Components Gino Mount:
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:00:15 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Not that that's a bad thing...what's the purpose of that large end cap 
>> (don't know what else to call it) on the drivetrain side? Just curious
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Santa Fe (half) century?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Ryan -- I'm feeling optimistic today. If winds on Sunday outside of
Santa Fe will be moderate, I do think it will be possible.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> FWIW from a flatlander from the windy prairies, given that you still ride
> fixed a lot and you have some gears to play with , you might be tired but
> you'll probably be OK I suspect. It sounds like you're very consistent and
> that's the key. I think the rule of thumb is if you can do at least 60% of
> the distance you'll be fine
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 3:19:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone onlist done the half century? If so, can you tell me how steep
>> and how difficult it is? I am just *thinking* that I might try it this
>> Sunday.
>>
>> 10 years ago, 50 hilly miles on a 75" fixed gear wasn't that big of a
>> deal, but I've not done more than 20-30 mile rides for a long while, and I
>> was rather slack about riding in April. And, I'm 61 -- not that much older
>> riders can't do much more than this, but I'm not particularly strong.
>>
>> If I do try it, I'll have the new S3X hub, geared either:
>>
>> 46X15: 76/57/48
>> 46X16: 71/53/44
>> 46X17: 67/50/42.
>>
>> I'm tempted to use the 46X16. One thing that I can do is climb in highish
>> gears; that's not a problem. What worries me is the fatigue after about
>> 30-35 miles.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who had to "warm up" today with 4 miles east in a 70" gear
>> against an E wind gusting to 35, in otherwise pleasant ABQ, NM.
>>
>>
>>
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>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
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>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Wheelsets, 26"

[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to add that both wheelsets are true and all spokes properly
tensioned.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. DT XR4 Ceramic rims, 32 14/15 butted spokes, 9 sp LX hubs, "ghetto"
> tubeless with Maxxi Icon 56 mm (actual) tires and Orange Seal. No cassette.
> Brake tracks show a some cosmetic wear.
>
> $200 + actual shipping by Bike Flights.
>
> 2. Avenir Duro 17 rims, 32 straight gauge spokes, 7 speed Deore DX hubs,
> cheap, heavy, and old but hardly used Maxxis 1.95s, no cassette. Brake
> tracks show hardly any wear.
>
> $100 + actual shipping by Bike Flights.
>
> 7 speed cassette, little wear, available for additional $15.
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[RBW] Re: appaloosa pedal dust cover

[Jeremy Tavan]

Thanks for posting this! I have a pair of these pedals (taken off an 
Appaloosa build by my LBS), and will definitely check the dust covers for 
tightness and apply fixative if necessary. I really like these pedals, btw. 
They're really smooth and comfortable, and the pins are grippy without 
being painful through the ultra-thin shoe soles I generally wear. 

I believe a titanium axle upgrade is available for them. Just what we need 
for a better life here on the Reservation. 

/Jeremy

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:39:34 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Previously I discovered that I was missing a small part. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/G5obap 
>
> It turns out that this is a "dust cover". I emailed dave@riv about it 
> and he immediately sent me a replacement part (and a gratuitous sam 
> hillborne brochure). So, awesome service on riv's part there. 
>
> I just put in the new one, and checked the other dust cover (on the 
> other pedal, obviously). The remaining one was loose! So I used 
> beeswax on both of them. I suspect that is sufficient. I have 
> locktite, but that seems a bit much in this case. 
>
> I just wanted to let other appaloosa folks (or anybody who has these 
> pedals, if there is anybody else) that they might wanna check their 
> dust covers, and put something in there to keep them from wandering 
> off. 
>
> cheerios 
>

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Eric Daume]

I just left the residue on the last time I had a bar like this. Since my
next build left that area open, it gives me something to fiddle with as I
ride along.

Eric

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Rob H.  wrote:

> I've had this beat up set of Alba bars for a while, don't quite remember
> if they're the CrMo or Aluminum bars. At any rate, I've got tape on it from
> levers all the way to the center clamp. Now I've decided to put them on a
> new Clementine and want to change out the stem.
>
> Any pointers on how to clean off all the bar tape gunk that will be there?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Santa Fe (half) century?

[WETH]

Patrick,
Last Spring I rode a metric century.  I commute 16 miles a day 3-4 days a week 
and found I was easily up to the 60+ miles.  I say go for it and enjoy!
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Santa Fe (half) century?

[Patrick Moore]

Erl -- thanks for the added encouragement. I must talk with Stevie
tomorrow, to ensure (1) that my S3X wheel will be ready in time and, (2)
that he has room for another bike and rider.

We'll see ...

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:08 PM, WETH  wrote:

> Patrick,
> Last Spring I rode a metric century.  I commute 16 miles a day 3-4 days a
> week and found I was easily up to the 60+ miles.  I say go for it and enjoy!
> Erl
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Re: [RBW] Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[Eric Daume]

I took my daughter's friend home from soccer practice last week. Friend on
Picolo, daughter on Giant trail-a-bike attached to Picolo, me on my low
trail New Albion Privateer.

That was not a recipe for happy bike handling.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:02 PM, EGNolan  wrote:

> Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull
> her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on
> this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm
> hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are
> willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for
> it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer
> bikeflights) of course.
>
> Best,
> Eric
> Indianapolis, IN
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[RBW] FS/T/Free: Wheels, Parts and Bikes

[Eric Karnes]

So…after getting my new Roadeo (which works s fabulously for the road a 
gravel trail riding I do), I’m selling my other bikes and some random 
parts. Late spring cleaning, so to speak. From now on, it’ll just be the 
Roadeo and an old Trek set up single speed as my city commuter. Here’s what 
I’ve got:


PARTS:


1. Custom built 650b A23 Wheelset with Pari-Moto 38mm Tires. 32h. 105 front 
hub, VO Freewheel rear hub (5-7 speed), DT Competition Spokes. Barely used. 
$250 or trade for a nice 700c wheelset.


2. Nitto Drop Bar. I think it’s a Mark’s Bar (came with my Roadeo). 
Measures 46cm center to center. Free to whomever wants it. Just reimburse 
me for shipping.


3. Tektro 559 Brakes. Rear is nutted. Front is recessed allen. Same as 
above.



BIKES:


Don’t want to clutter up the board with non-riv bikes, so feel free to 
email me and I can give you full parts lists / measurements / photos.


4.  60cm custom-built Surly Cross-Check tourer. Custom Mavic A719 / Shimano 
XT / DT Swiss Competition Wheelset. XTR M953 Rear Derailler (9sp), 
Shifters, and Brakes. Jones H-Bar. Barely ridden. $1000. (Would prefer to 
sell the entire bike, but If you are interested in just the parts group, I 
might be open. They would make for a mighty sweet Hillborne or Appaloosa 
build)


5. Litespeed Obed. Single speed build with Surly Singleator. 26inch wheels. 
Thomson stem and seat post. Custom steel rigid fork. Soma Clarence bar. I 
know, I know! It’s not steel, but is actually a pretty neat bike. I built 
it up a bit to mimic Mark’s old Richey on the Riv site. $700.


Open to trades and offers. Just lemme know what you’re thinking. Thanks!


Eric

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[RBW] This Really happened!

[WETH]

Hugh,
Wow, that seems like a great trip. Your prose and photographs made me feel I 
was along for the ride- which some day I'd like to be!
Thanks for sharing,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[George Schick]

RJM - I have a similar background with auto mechanics as you and I agree 
with your assessment of hydros - to a certain extent. For one thing, it 
depends on the manufacturer.  Hayes brakes have been a PITA to install and 
bleed compared with some others.  Secondly, my experience with the 
reliability and ease of adjustment of discs in general all depends on how 
well they are anchored to the fork or rear stays.  I have a Surly 1x1 with 
an Avid BB7 mounted on the front with which I had a devil of a time keeping 
the disc centered between the pads for the longest time UNTIL I ditched the 
QR and changed the front axle to a bolt-on that I could torque down nice 
and tight.  Since then they've been rub free, squeak free, and uneven 
braking free.  I recall reading somewhere, though the source escapes me, 
that if everything were ideally designed from scratch, the disc and caliper 
would be on the right side of the fork, which would act against working a 
QR mounted hub loose from its fork ends.  

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:56:11 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> I've had disc brakes on 4 bikes now, two cable actuated and two hydraulic. 
> Honestly, I think hydros are so much better and not that much more 
> difficult to setup compared to cable pull. I'd honestly rather use hydros 
> because they are easier to pull (1 finger braking), more powerful, and have 
> consistent feel and I felt that the cable actuated brakes lacked that 
> performance. TRP does have a brake that has all the hydros in the caliper, 
> but I've never used them. Bleeding brakes isn't difficult at all, but I may 
> be approaching this from a different place because in a past life I was an 
> automotive mechanic where bleeding brakes is normal. I don't find it weird 
> or difficult at all to setup a hydraulic braking system on a bike. 
>
> I find cantis to be a regular pain in the butt to setup and adjust, and 
> was always a little befuddled why people liked them over V-brakes, which I 
> find much easier to set and forget. 
>
>
> On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 11:19:47 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> "Couldn't be easier" is, in my experience over 4 bikes with various cable 
>> disk systems, not quite accurate. It's certainly not rocket science, and 
>> *once 
>> you find the right method* it is straightforward, but it took me a long 
>> while to find that method.
>>
>> Sidepulls are easiest. V brakes, at least decent ones, are easy to setup, 
>> as are, slightly less so, wide profile cantis. Low profile cantis are a 
>> pain in the ass, IME. Centerpulls are much like wide profile cantis. 
>> Gauging all this from my own experience
>>
>> BB7s are about as easy as brakes requiring cable yokes, IME, and easier 
>> than low profiles, at least with drop bar levers.
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>>
>>> Servicing discs could not be easier. Hydraulic's are a bit more finicky, 
>>> but they're no more difficult to dial in than my Paul canti's are. Changing 
>>> the pads takes 60 seconds. Actually the more I think about it, the more I 
>>> think discs are much easier to setup and service than rim brakes. You just 
>>> have to do it once to catch on. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:56 AM, 'Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 I am a satisfied rim braker. I've never seriously considered riding 
 discs but I can see the attraction in avoiding compromised braking in the 
 wet and annoying mud on rim grinding noises when off road.

 One big factor that Grant has missed is the wear effect of rim brakes. 
 Sooner or later the rim will need replacing. That means a wheel rebuild 
 which may well lead to getting a new hub at the same time. That's a whole 
 new wheel just because your brakes are worn - quite a waste if you have 
 decent, handbuilt wheels that otherwise would have lasted a long time. On 
 a 
 disc system, you just replace the disc.

 The related thing is that wear on the rim is hard to detect. You either 
 play it safe or you take it to the limit - which you only reach when your 
 rim is so compromised it blows. Discs are far more transparent. As Mark 
 says above, on this basis Grant's preference for rim brakes goes against 
 the usual argument for steel over carbon.

 On the issue of servicing, I've never worked on disc brakes but surely 
 if you avoid hydraulics and stick with cable operated then 
 servicing/repair 
 is easy.

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Re: [RBW] This Really happened!

[Hugh Smitham]

Erl,

I will ride with you. It may be a C&O tour or a Texas ramble but we will
ride.

Thank you for your kind words. In my haste to publish there are things I
need to yet tighten up. Like including a link to Curtis's images.

Warm Regards,

~Hugh
On May 17, 2016 6:07 PM, "WETH"  wrote:

> Hugh,
> Wow, that seems like a great trip. Your prose and photographs made me feel
> I was along for the ride- which some day I'd like to be!
> Thanks for sharing,
> Erl
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Re: [RBW] Re: appaloosa pedal dust cover

[Patrick Kelly]

Yes, I like them very much as well. So far I have not torn up my shins
on the pins, so all good. :)

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Jeremy Tavan  wrote:
> Thanks for posting this! I have a pair of these pedals (taken off an
> Appaloosa build by my LBS), and will definitely check the dust covers for
> tightness and apply fixative if necessary. I really like these pedals, btw.
> They're really smooth and comfortable, and the pins are grippy without being
> painful through the ultra-thin shoe soles I generally wear.
>
> I believe a titanium axle upgrade is available for them. Just what we need
> for a better life here on the Reservation.
>
> /Jeremy
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:39:34 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Previously I discovered that I was missing a small part.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/G5obap
>>
>> It turns out that this is a "dust cover". I emailed dave@riv about it
>> and he immediately sent me a replacement part (and a gratuitous sam
>> hillborne brochure). So, awesome service on riv's part there.
>>
>> I just put in the new one, and checked the other dust cover (on the
>> other pedal, obviously). The remaining one was loose! So I used
>> beeswax on both of them. I suspect that is sufficient. I have
>> locktite, but that seems a bit much in this case.
>>
>> I just wanted to let other appaloosa folks (or anybody who has these
>> pedals, if there is anybody else) that they might wanna check their
>> dust covers, and put something in there to keep them from wandering
>> off.
>>
>> cheerios
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Re: [RBW] FS/T/Free: Wheels, Parts and Bikes

[Joe Bunik]

Hi Eric,
If the Mark's bar and/or brakes aren't yet spoken for... LMK! I
promise to put them to use.
Thanks
=- Joe

On 5/17/16, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>
>
> So…after getting my new Roadeo (which works s fabulously for the road a
>
> gravel trail riding I do), I’m selling my other bikes and some random
> parts. Late spring cleaning, so to speak. From now on, it’ll just be the
> Roadeo and an old Trek set up single speed as my city commuter. Here’s what
>
> I’ve got:
>
>
> PARTS:
>
>
> 1. Custom built 650b A23 Wheelset with Pari-Moto 38mm Tires. 32h. 105 front
>
> hub, VO Freewheel rear hub (5-7 speed), DT Competition Spokes. Barely used.
>
> $250 or trade for a nice 700c wheelset.
>
>
> 2. Nitto Drop Bar. I think it’s a Mark’s Bar (came with my Roadeo).
> Measures 46cm center to center. Free to whomever wants it. Just reimburse
> me for shipping.
>
>
> 3. Tektro 559 Brakes. Rear is nutted. Front is recessed allen. Same as
> above.
>
>
>
> BIKES:
>
>
> Don’t want to clutter up the board with non-riv bikes, so feel free to
> email me and I can give you full parts lists / measurements / photos.
>
>
> 4.  60cm custom-built Surly Cross-Check tourer. Custom Mavic A719 / Shimano
>
> XT / DT Swiss Competition Wheelset. XTR M953 Rear Derailler (9sp),
> Shifters, and Brakes. Jones H-Bar. Barely ridden. $1000. (Would prefer to
> sell the entire bike, but If you are interested in just the parts group, I
> might be open. They would make for a mighty sweet Hillborne or Appaloosa
> build)
>
>
> 5. Litespeed Obed. Single speed build with Surly Singleator. 26inch wheels.
>
> Thomson stem and seat post. Custom steel rigid fork. Soma Clarence bar. I
> know, I know! It’s not steel, but is actually a pretty neat bike. I built
> it up a bit to mimic Mark’s old Richey on the Riv site. $700.
>
>
> Open to trades and offers. Just lemme know what you’re thinking. Thanks!
>
>
> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I guess you did not click on the link I posted above. There is a US/UK 
component to it.

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 4:05:35 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is too enigmatic for me.
>
> Patrick "I thought it might be a US/UK difference" Moore
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore asked:
>> "Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?"
>>
>> They spell it that way because that's the way it is spelled.  Generally 
>> if you choose to spell it 'disk', everyone will know what you are talking 
>> about.  Only the uptight jerks will correct you, or claim that they don't 
>> know what you are talking about.  Kind of like derailer and derailleur.  
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[RBW] appaloosa pedal dust cover

[RonaTD]

That happened to me with an MKS pedal. When I told Grant, his response was, 
"Oh, so you understand the theory of beeswax but not the application of it!" 

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[George Schick]

Mark - sorry, some of us yanks are slow to catch on; others are just slow 
period; then there are those of us who are simply old and slow.  I try to 
remember in the future.

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 9:55:28 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I guess you did not click on the link I posted above. There is a US/UK 
> component to it.
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 4:05:35 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> This is too enigmatic for me.
>>
>> Patrick "I thought it might be a US/UK difference" Moore
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Moore asked:
>>> "Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?"
>>>
>>> They spell it that way because that's the way it is spelled.  Generally 
>>> if you choose to spell it 'disk', everyone will know what you are talking 
>>> about.  Only the uptight jerks will correct you, or claim that they don't 
>>> know what you are talking about.  Kind of like derailer and derailleur.  
>>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It's one of my all-time favorite bicycle accessories. That's dad, Mack, and 
Clementine at the farmers market last week. (I knew there was a reason I 
didn't ditch that old Pearl Izumi rain jacket!) On the topic, I would like 
to get a second Moose, and they now are listed as compatible with the old 
made in USA Piccolos, but the photo does not look like it has the hole that 
the bolt screws into. It is admittedly not from a great angle (why only one 
product shot?) Does anybody know for sure if the new Moose will work with 
vintage Piccolos? Although looking at this photo, though only six and a 
half, he is starting to look big on this thing, I think I already have the 
handlebars all the way to the max line, but still a bit of room in the seat 
post.







On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 4:14:33 PM UTC-4, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone. This portion of the adventure has been resolved & I'm 
> looking forward with excitement to what the Piccolo will allow our li'l 
> family to do on bikes.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:46:38 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> They're still little, imagine he'll be able to get many more years of use 
>> out of it.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:06:17 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I sold mine to Rob from Ocean Air Cycles.  Maybe his riders have 
>>> graduated and he can pass it to you?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:02:14 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:

 Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to 
 pull her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some 
 on this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
 hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
 willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
 it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
 bikeflights) of course.

 Best,
 Eric 
 Indianapolis, IN 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] My Latest Video

[René Sterental]

Very nice. Hopefully one day I'll be able to do it.

Why do you prefer the Virb camera?

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Erl:
>
> Thanks! For this ride, I used a Garmin VIRB camera mounted on the
> handlebars. For some of the shots, I handheld the camera.
>
> I have GoPro cameras as well, but for recording from the bike I find that
> the VIRB has a few advantages.
>
> I use iMovie on my Mac to assemble the footage. Might upgrade to Final Cut
> one of these days.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>
> On May 17, 2016, at 7:57 AM, WETH  > wrote:
>
> Eric,
> I enjoyed the video greatly.  That is beautiful scenery, and your
> narration was perfect and helpful for this East-coaster.
> What is your video set-up on the bike? (I think you may have shared this
> in the past, but I can't remember.)
> Thanks,
> Erl
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 7:04:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> My latest video is from Saturday, when I led the Davis Double Century
>> workers ride:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/LqaUZRkcZB8
>>
>> Riv content: I rode my 3-speed Quickbeam, and had a great time. As you
>> would expect, lots of comments from my fellow riders, many of whom were
>> riding much lighter, "faster" bikes.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
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>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
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[RBW] Ride report: A Short, Eggcellent Adventure

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was a bit tired after work but I still had to vote on the school budget 
and pick up eggs from a friend. He said they would be "in something" and 
hanging on the driveway fence. Knowing that his egg cartons are buried 
somewhere deep in his shed, I grabbed a soft shell cooler and threw it in 
the basket of the Clementine and headed down the stairs and out the door.


There were more than a dozen eggs stuffed in a plastic grocery bag hanging 
from a picket, so I first took a few out, gently laid the bag in the cooler 
in the basket, then tucked the remaining eggs in the corners so they would 
all be on one layer. I zipped the cooler top and really cinched the cargo 
net down, trying to squish the shell so that the eggs couldn't jump much on 
the bumps. I rode home somewhat carefully, dropped them off and headed over 
to the high school to cast my vote. (Safe and sound on those big 650Bs. 
Later, I made scrambled eggs and leftover beans, bread and ham for dinner. 
Super protein tonight!)



 

 



On the road in to the school, I saw a middle-aged woman riding a 20"-inch 
bicycle up ahead. I caught up as we entered the school grounds. Her bike 
had "Origami" on the down tube, so I surmised it was a folder. She had a 
flashing light either on her helmet or on the clip thing women put in their 
hair to hold it up, but the flasher was low on batteries, mostly hidden by 
her hair, and pointing at the ground. We made bike small talk and went in 
to vote. I saw our community farmer on the way in and a seamstress I know. 
I knew fairly well two of the three candidates for the school board that I 
voted for, and the third I knew his wife.

Riding back home I passed a dad towing a little guy on a not-Burley 
Piccolo, one of the ones that attaches to the seat post. I smiled as I went 
by (I was on the road, they were on the sidewalk) and gave my bell a brisk 
double brrring and dad smiled back. Nearer to home, I met a small rise in 
the road and got out of the saddle. The day was starting to fade, and the 
quality of the light just then resurrected a memory of my childhood and 
making my way home on my bike before dinner, or late for dinner, maybe my 
mom calling my name from the back door. Me pedaling up Woodycrest Drive and 
onto Greentree Court and into the gravel driveway, breathing the slightly 
cool spring evening air, anticipating the long summer days just ahead.

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi George. I wasn't chastising anyone for their spelling, (and you spelled 
it correctly) just pointing out to Patrick that the wiki thing I posted 
explained the two spellings, and part of the difference *was *the US/UK 
thing he mentioned--though it is not a clear cut case of US/UK such as 
gray/grey or color/colour. For those that care about such things (that 
would include me) disc is currently the correct spelling when referring to 
brakes, whether English brakes or American brakes.


On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:10:11 PM UTC-4, George Schick wrote:
>
> Mark - sorry, some of us yanks are slow to catch on; others are just slow 
> period; then there are those of us who are simply old and slow.  I try to 
> remember in the future.
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 9:55:28 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> I guess you did not click on the link I posted above. There is a US/UK 
>> component to it.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 4:05:35 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> This is too enigmatic for me.
>>>
>>> Patrick "I thought it might be a US/UK difference" Moore
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Bill Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick Moore asked:
 "Why does everyone spell it "disc" instead of "disk"?"

 They spell it that way because that's the way it is spelled.  Generally 
 if you choose to spell it 'disk', everyone will know what you are talking 
 about.  Only the uptight jerks will correct you, or claim that they don't 
 know what you are talking about.  Kind of like derailer and derailleur.  

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[RBW] Ride report: A Short, Eggcellent Adventure

[dougP]

Mark:

Really neat ride report.  Bikes are for everyone.  Thanks for that.

Doug p

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Bill Lindsay]

The fun thing I picked up from Mark's Wiki link is that in computer media, 
a DISK is magnetic media, while a DISC is optical media.  Floppy disks, 
diskettes, and hard disks are magnetic media.  Compact discs, laser discs, 
and Digital Video Discs are optical media.  

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 9:37:10 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hi George. I wasn't chastising anyone for their spelling, (and you spelled 
> it correctly) just pointing out to Patrick that the wiki thing I posted 
> explained the two spellings, and part of the difference *was *the US/UK 
> thing he mentioned--though it is not a clear cut case of US/UK such as 
> gray/grey or color/colour. For those that care about such things (that 
> would include me) disc is currently the correct spelling when referring to 
> brakes, whether English brakes or American brakes.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice: How to clean bartape off my Albatross bars

[Lungimsam]

Eeeewww!

Just kidding.

I think I remember using WD40, which took the stuff right off, followed by 
alcohol just to get it sparkling clean.

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[RBW] Re: First weekend of riding... ouch.

[IanA]

That collarbone will bother you for a while. I broke mine (Superman landing 
over the handlebars when front wheel locked in a crack in the road).  The 
bone knitted back together relatively quickly and came back together 
straight, but I think the muscles and tendons take quite a bit longer to 
regain strength.  A longer ride would bother the shoulder, but pretty sure 
only because of the muscle atrophy in the area.  As part of your back to 
bike regimen, add in regular sets of push-ups and other strength building 
techniques.  Ron's comments about core strength are good to keep in mind on 
and off the bike.

Best wishes for the continuing healing process and get the strength back as 
soon as possible.

Ian A/Canada

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 11:56:33 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my 
> clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and 
> temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out 
> "just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail 
> grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the 
> weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had 
> to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what 
> the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now 
> at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as 
> down-hill as the streets are!
> In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy. 
> 
> Favorite pic from the day: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/
>
> Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o. 
> Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later... 
>  well, my clavicle is 
> definitely hurting today. D'oh!
> Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang 
> out in: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/ 
>
> Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on 
> to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my 
> shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the 
> bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my 
> Moustache bar stand by... 
>
> So good times this weekend! 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: First weekend of riding... ouch.

[cyclotourist]

Oh, push ups scare me, just the thought of them! I imagine the bone
cracking again, that's an image!!!

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:53 PM, IanA  wrote:

> That collarbone will bother you for a while. I broke mine (Superman
> landing over the handlebars when front wheel locked in a crack in the
> road).  The bone knitted back together relatively quickly and came back
> together straight, but I think the muscles and tendons take quite a bit
> longer to regain strength.  A longer ride would bother the shoulder, but
> pretty sure only because of the muscle atrophy in the area.  As part of
> your back to bike regimen, add in regular sets of push-ups and other
> strength building techniques.  Ron's comments about core strength are good
> to keep in mind on and off the bike.
>
> Best wishes for the continuing healing process and get the strength back
> as soon as possible.
>
> Ian A/Canada
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 11:56:33 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my
>> clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and
>> temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out
>> "just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail
>> grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the
>> weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had
>> to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what
>> the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now
>> at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as
>> down-hill as the streets are!
>> In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy.
>> 
>> Favorite pic from the day:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/
>>
>> Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o.
>> Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later...
>>  well, my clavicle is
>> definitely hurting today. D'oh!
>> Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang
>> out in:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/
>>
>> Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on
>> to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my
>> shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the
>> bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my
>> Moustache bar stand by...
>>
>> So good times this weekend!
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: First weekend of riding... ouch.

[Hugh Smitham]

David,

So glad your back on the bike bro. I like the way your thinking and before 
long you'll back in your good ol shape. Looking forward to the shindig at 
the end of June, so take it mellow Mr. 

Warm Regards,

~Hugh

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:56:33 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my 
> clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and 
> temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out 
> "just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail 
> grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the 
> weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had 
> to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what 
> the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now 
> at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as 
> down-hill as the streets are!
> In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy. 
> 
> Favorite pic from the day: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/
>
> Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o. 
> Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later... 
>  well, my clavicle is 
> definitely hurting today. D'oh!
> Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang 
> out in: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/ 
>
> Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on 
> to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my 
> shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the 
> bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my 
> Moustache bar stand by... 
>
> So good times this weekend! 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: First weekend of riding... ouch.

[cyclotourist]

Gonna' be a good time!

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Hugh Smitham 
wrote:

> David,
>
> So glad your back on the bike bro. I like the way your thinking and before
> long you'll back in your good ol shape. Looking forward to the shindig at
> the end of June, so take it mellow Mr.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:56:33 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my
>> clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and
>> temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out
>> "just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail
>> grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the
>> weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had
>> to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what
>> the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now
>> at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as
>> down-hill as the streets are!
>> In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy.
>> 
>> Favorite pic from the day:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/
>>
>> Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o.
>> Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later...
>>  well, my clavicle is
>> definitely hurting today. D'oh!
>> Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang
>> out in:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/
>>
>> Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on
>> to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my
>> shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the
>> bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my
>> Moustache bar stand by...
>>
>> So good times this weekend!
>>
>>
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