[RBW] Re: 650b'd romulus

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks man!

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[RBW] PSA: 58cm SimpleOne in LA Craigslist

[Paul S]

That's me - bought the frame from a list member a few months ago but couldn't 
quite reconcile with the sizing. I was planning to post it here and on the iBOB 
list along with some other stuff in about a week. 625 + shipping to members of 
either list. 

Would also love to trade for a 60/62 QB or SO if someone wants to size down. 

Paul
Pasadena, CA

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[RBW] Re: 650b'd romulus

[stoker]

Very nice conversion!

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[RBW] Re: Bars for Climbing

[Kai Vierstra]

Thanks Jim,
Saddle's a Brooks B67 and the seatpost is a Nitto lugged lay back post, a 27.2 
with a shim (I know, shims are lame). I wanted a post with more setback, as the 
Brooks don't allow for much movement, and the choices in 29.8 are few and far 
between with zero options having any real layed back positioning. Already 
having the lugged post and an S83 post, I decided my Clem would suffer the 
injustice of a seatpost shim, mainly worrying about wasted post below the shim. 
Turns out that the shim was long enough to clear the end of the fairly short 
post, so no troubles there, and I did some hacking of the shim to follow the 
contours of the seat tube collar so's to look less awful. 
I should really take some better pictures to properly introduce my bikes to you 
all, but juggling regular job and freelance gigs while raising 2 & 5 year old 
boys has a way of taking up all that spare time, and I want to finish some 
custom racks in that no spare time... ..fortunately my regular job is 
overseeing sculpture shops, I just need to close my eyes and get bending.

Keep climbing!, whatever the bar
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: Custom fork?

[Eric Karnes]

...unless the xo-2 has a 1" steerer. then that dimension looks like a good 
bet.

eric

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:52:47 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> not sure if the axle to crown measurements match, but i know a lot of 
> people who have had good luck with surly forks as replacements on various 
> bikes. looks like the long haul trucker one comes in 26 or 700c...
>
> http://surlybikes.com/parts/forks/long_haul_trucker_fork
>
> eric
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:31:12 PM UTC-4, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>> http://dimensionbikeproducts.com/products/forks/mountain_standard ?
>>
>> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>>
>>> I just received my custom velocity cliffhanger wheelset to find that the 
>>> stock fork on my '93 XO-2 has what I can only describe as toe-in canti 
>>> studs which won't allow either deore xt v-brakes or Paul neo retro brakes. 
>>>  I'm too far in to this build to turn back now so I want to pick up a nice 
>>> replacement fork but I'm not really wanting to go down the rabbit hole 
>>> (too) much further.  I'm gonna call Riv to see if I can buy a replacement 
>>> Atlantis or Hunq fork but would understand if they politely told me to kick 
>>> rocks.  Any cheapish alternatives for a 26+ canti fork?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Custom fork?

[Eric Karnes]

not sure if the axle to crown measurements match, but i know a lot of 
people who have had good luck with surly forks as replacements on various 
bikes. looks like the long haul trucker one comes in 26 or 700c...

http://surlybikes.com/parts/forks/long_haul_trucker_fork

eric

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:31:12 PM UTC-4, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> http://dimensionbikeproducts.com/products/forks/mountain_standard ?
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> I just received my custom velocity cliffhanger wheelset to find that the 
>> stock fork on my '93 XO-2 has what I can only describe as toe-in canti 
>> studs which won't allow either deore xt v-brakes or Paul neo retro brakes. 
>>  I'm too far in to this build to turn back now so I want to pick up a nice 
>> replacement fork but I'm not really wanting to go down the rabbit hole 
>> (too) much further.  I'm gonna call Riv to see if I can buy a replacement 
>> Atlantis or Hunq fork but would understand if they politely told me to kick 
>> rocks.  Any cheapish alternatives for a 26+ canti fork?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last round of parts for sale...

[Eric Karnes]

"thin the herd", that is...long day.

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:47:41 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> So, last round of parts random parts as I finish up my plan to thin the 
> heard and revamp the SimpleOne…all pricing include ground shipping.
>
>
> Sturmey Archer 3speed Hub (36h) with 18t Freewheel, Stem Thumb Shifter, 
> and Housing. Just add new cable. Good condition, works well. Indicator 
> chain is a bit rusty…still works fine, but you can replace for five bucks 
> if you so desire.
>
> $80
>
>
> Sugino XD2 172.5mm Crankarms (no rings or fixing bolts). Used, but decent 
> condition. Purchased for a project, but ended up going with 170mm arms.
>
> $35*
>
>
> Sugino 40T Chainring. New in Bag. Purchased from Riv.
>
> $25*
>
>
> Sugino 26T Chainring. New. Came off a Riv crank and never used.
>
> $20*
>
>
> * (if you want the two rings and XD2 as a set...basically a RIV low double 
> without the outer guard...$65)
>
>
> Sugino RD 165mm Crankset with 48T Ring. Good condition. 130bcd.
>
> $45
>
>
> VO Grand Cru Seatpost. Good condition…the usual scratches. 
>
> $25
>
>
> Photos here:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/35128198@N02/albums/72157674438950505
>
>
> Any questions, feel free to ask!
>
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] FS: Last round of parts for sale...

[Eric Karnes]

So, last round of parts random parts as I finish up my plan to thin the 
heard and revamp the SimpleOne…all pricing include ground shipping.


Sturmey Archer 3speed Hub (36h) with 18t Freewheel, Stem Thumb Shifter, and 
Housing. Just add new cable. Good condition, works well. Indicator chain is 
a bit rusty…still works fine, but you can replace for five bucks if you so 
desire.

$80


Sugino XD2 172.5mm Crankarms (no rings or fixing bolts). Used, but decent 
condition. Purchased for a project, but ended up going with 170mm arms.

$35*


Sugino 40T Chainring. New in Bag. Purchased from Riv.

$25*


Sugino 26T Chainring. New. Came off a Riv crank and never used.

$20*


* (if you want the two rings and XD2 as a set...basically a RIV low double 
without the outer guard...$65)


Sugino RD 165mm Crankset with 48T Ring. Good condition. 130bcd.

$45


VO Grand Cru Seatpost. Good condition…the usual scratches. 

$25


Photos here:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/35128198@N02/albums/72157674438950505


Any questions, feel free to ask!


Eric

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

[Evan Baird]

In 100% of shimmy incidents it's down to Huldufólk distribution.

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[RBW] Re: 650b Red Hetres supply?

[Evan Baird]

Soma is also discontinuing all terracotta tires.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:18:49 AM UTC-7, Adama wrote:
>
> What I learned when I went to order some buttery red hetres from a lbs 
> last month, and this may be nothing new to you, but was new to me, was that 
> the color is being discontinued; gb will continue to make the black and 
> cream, as I understand.
>
> Thanks to a list-member who had some of the used 650b reds, we did a 
> trade, and now I'm riding 'em.  They went on the rims mercifully easily. 
>  And thanks to another list-member who was doing a rash of recent 
> tire-pressure number-crunching, i've dialed in about a 35-40 psi, which has 
> served me well for cushy/fun commuting and weekend rides.  
>
> 6 years into biking/Riv ownership, I'd never given much thought to tire 
> pressure, and had never been on tires this wide.  Incidentally, I stripped 
> the racks and fenders/lights that I've had set up for the last 5 years when 
> I changed the tires, just to see how'd it feel. 
>
> I like the red heaters 
> 
>  alright 
> and would love to track down some more--any thoughts on where to go?  Why I 
> have to be partial to the red all of sudden--no idea.  What can I 
> say--they've put some wind in my sails after not-biking much for at least a 
> year or two.
>
> Best,
> Adam
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/26905387@N04/29178603754/in/dateposted-public/
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Custom fork?

[Evan Baird]

http://dimensionbikeproducts.com/products/forks/mountain_standard ?

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I just received my custom velocity cliffhanger wheelset to find that the 
> stock fork on my '93 XO-2 has what I can only describe as toe-in canti 
> studs which won't allow either deore xt v-brakes or Paul neo retro brakes. 
>  I'm too far in to this build to turn back now so I want to pick up a nice 
> replacement fork but I'm not really wanting to go down the rabbit hole 
> (too) much further.  I'm gonna call Riv to see if I can buy a replacement 
> Atlantis or Hunq fork but would understand if they politely told me to kick 
> rocks.  Any cheapish alternatives for a 26+ canti fork?

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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Clayton.sf]

Shortly after this thread paused I broke my duraace dt 10 speed shifter. I 
ended up replacing it with that diacompe 10 speed / 11 speed dt friction 
shifter Justin mentioned two post prior. 

Just rode a century with it on Sunday. Worked amazingly well combined with a 
short cage shimano zee clutch derailer. About half way tbrough the ride I 
started liking it even better than the previous indexed setup.

 Thanks Justin for the info and inspiration! I am pleasantly surprised!

CLAYTON Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Custom fork?

[Conway Bennett]

I just received my custom velocity cliffhanger wheelset to find that the stock 
fork on my '93 XO-2 has what I can only describe as toe-in canti studs which 
won't allow either deore xt v-brakes or Paul neo retro brakes.  I'm too far in 
to this build to turn back now so I want to pick up a nice replacement fork but 
I'm not really wanting to go down the rabbit hole (too) much further.  I'm 
gonna call Riv to see if I can buy a replacement Atlantis or Hunq fork but 
would understand if they politely told me to kick rocks.  Any cheapish 
alternatives for a 26+ canti fork?

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[RBW] DC Area Friends Meet-up?

[Pondero]

Danno, thanks for the tip.  Nothing like valuable local knowledge!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: DC Area Friends Meet-up?

[Pondero]

Rusty, glad to hear there is a possibility this will work out.  I'll either 
post our anticipated overnight spots here later (if we have multiple people 
interested) or send via PM otherwise.  Warning - we anticipate low mileage days 
to maximize the "tourist" part of "cyclotourist".  In other words, lots of 
lollygagging.

Philip, bummer that we are out of phase on this.  Maybe I'll be able to make a 
trip to Wyoming next year.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] DC Area Friends Meet-up?

[Danno]

Husky Haven is great, the owner is very nice and I love how he rides his ATV 
around with his Siberian Husky.
One thing to note, bring ear plugs as the freight trains run all night and blow 
their horn for the rr crossing nearby.

Dan
Mechanicsville VA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Small Gray Trunk Sack/King Cages/Berthoud Touring Saddles

[johnb]

Saddle 2 
Grey Trunk Sack still available.

john

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 3:18:16 PM UTC-4, johnb wrote:
>
> Updates based on feedback
>
> Pictures of Saddle 1 - https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B04GY8gBYGYFjtE
> Pictures of Saddle 2 - https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B045nhQSTngYSf
> Pictures of Grey Trunk Sack - 
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B04G6XBubG6W35L
>
> Questions posted answered.
>
> Yes, these are the Berthoud Touring Saddles - 
> http://boulderbicycle.bike/Saddles-and-Seatposts/Saddles/Modern-Saddles/Berthoud-saddles-and-related-parts-and-treatment/berthoud-aspin-mens-touring-saddle-steel-rail-various-colors.html
>
> Note: Cork is no longer sold so these are a bit rare.
>
> Both saddles have been ridden @2,000 miles so you should assume they are 
> broken in. Having said that, I weigh 155 lbs so they have not been 
> stretched much. Both have been scraped up by minor falls, think bike 
> tipping over not wrecks. I have tried to capture the damage as best as 
> possible.
>
> Both saddles have been caught out in the rain on occasion. I have tried to 
> cover them as much as possible but they have gotten wet at one time or 
> another. In theory these are water resistant leather. They are more 
> resistant than Brooks but I would recommend that you still bring your 
> saddle cover with you. Just sayin... 
>
> I am letting them go because I live in the East and like manual 
> transmissions, sometimes you get tired of the overhead of great cool stuff. 
> I would rather have Cambium saddles and not have to always check to see if 
> I have a cover or not. Or rummage through a trashcan for a plastic bag, 
> etc. They are beautiful saddles, very comfortable but not for me anymore. 
>
> john
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 8:41:19 AM UTC-4, johnb wrote:
>>
>> Cages gone. 
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Hunter Nugz

[Wally Estrella]

Hi Folks:

I'm looking for a pair of Hunter Nugzanyone have a set lying around 
you'd like to sell?


CHEERS!
Wally in Maine

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto F15 Rack. $45 plus shipping.

[John Hawrylak]

Any pictures??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 7:22:56 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:

> Bought this used off this list but never used it. 
> One handlebar mount was drilled through and fastens with a nut on the 
> underside. Will send photos to show. Functions just the same. 
> $45 plus shipping, typically $6 USPS Priority mail. 
> Can send a PP invoice. 
> Contact off list if you can. 
> David
> Chicago 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[jeffrey kane]

Funny -- I've used both the SCR-5 type (which, I believe were Campy Record 
10 clones) and the RRL and have come to wish for the flared out lever of 
the RRL matched with the SCR-5 body (!) ... 

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 12:21:41 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> on drop bars TRPs are wonderful :)
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:15:35 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I would agree with Ryan in stating that the tiagras are perfectly 
>> adequate which is why I've never replaced them.  I see them as functional 
>> but not wonderful (due to a slight rattle in one of them).  I'm not sure 
>> the trps would fall into the wonderful category but, if I ever replace the 
>> tiagras, the trps, and now Origin8 Classiques, will be on my shortlist.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:19:37 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> I've used tiagras on my moustache bars for years and  I find that 
>>> they're perfectly adequate...I do like the looks of the flipped down TRPS , 
>>> Drew,  as well, but I feel that the TRPs really come into their own with 
>>> drop bars
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:

 I bought the straighter tiagras and wished I'd bought the trps and 
 flipped them.  They are much nicer brake levers.

 John

>>>

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Re: [RBW] ISO: riv frame

[René Sterental]

Betty Foy 58cm frame/fork/BB/headset & brakes.

René

On Monday, September 26, 2016, Belopsky  wrote:

> I still have my 650b wheels and some brakes and some random parts, and I
> sort of want to build a bike, but it depends on price..
>
> PBH of 83.x
>
> effective top tube of 55.5 works best, no bigger. smaller may even be
> better..
>
> let me know what you have..
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Re: [RBW] JumboBackabikeGrabbySackThingy

[René Sterental]

Pretty ingenious!

On Monday, September 26, 2016, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I'll be sure to bring it on our Point Reyes Lighthouse Ride, Evan.
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 9:07:38 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> Looks great!
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[RBW] Re: MKS Sneaker pedals reflectors vs. reflective leg bands.

[Will Ashe]

I have the Sneaker pedals and really like them. I think they have 
sufficient reflectivity combined with lights and other reflective bits on 
my bike. You'll almost certainly get more reflectivity from ankle straps, 
but I prefer not having to think about it.

Will

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 1:32:32 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I don't have any pedal/ankle reflectivity going on.
>
> Seems convenient to have reflectors on pedals, like the MKS Sneaker peals 
> do. Just jump on and ride.
> No need to buy ankle cuffs and then have to put them on and store them 
> between night rides.
>
> Anyone seen the Sneaker pedals in action? Good enough or are ankle bands 
> that much better that they are worth the hassle of putting on/taking 
> off/storing?
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[RBW] Re: DC Area Friends Meet-up?

[Philip Kim]

Dang, missed the ride last year cause I went on Wyoming trip last time you 
were in town. Will be in Wyoming again this time you're in town. Hope you 
have a great time!

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 12:55:42 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> I was fortunate to meet several of you DC area folks last year when I came 
> out for the C&O tour.  Some of you even rode and camped with us.  We had 
> such a great time, we wanted to come back and do something similar this 
> year.
>
> Me, son-in-law Carey, and Steve Butcher (graveldoc) are planning a return 
> this year for the GAP trail tour.  Like last year, our itinerary is a 
> little constrained.  But we want to extend the invitation for you to join 
> in, or meet-up somewhere, just in case it works out.  The plan looks like 
> this...
>
> Thursday (10/6) - arrive in Silver Spring
>
> Friday (10/7) - time with my grandson, but flexible for a meet-up
>
> Saturday (10/8) - part of day devoted to family outing, but also 
> coffeeneuring somewhere in Silver Spring, morning meet-up opportunity
>
> Sunday (10/9) - drive to Pittsburgh, hoping to drop in at Gravel and Grind 
> for a visit on the way
>
> Monday-Thursday (10/10 to 10/13) - ride from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, MD 
> on the GAP trail, some camping, some lodging
>
> Friday (10/14) - time with my grandson, but some flexibility for a meet-up
>
> Saturday (10/15) - return to Texas
>
> I've already had a couple of offline conversations with a couple of you, 
> and hope we'll be able to visit with you again this year.  If anyone is 
> interested in riding the GAP trail with us, I'll be happy to provide more 
> details on our anticipated schedule for that.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>

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[RBW] Re: DC Area Friends Meet-up?

[Rusty Click]

Hi Chris,

I missed the ride last year, and am looking forward to joining you.  I live 
outside of Pittsburgh and ride/guide the local trails often.  I agree with 
Howard that Husky Haven is a good campground, depending on your daily 
mileages.  Another is in Confluence run by Corp of Engineers(?)

Anyway, depending on where you plan to start or where you're staying here 
in Pittsburgh, I would like to meet and ride some of, or all the way to 
Cumberland.  I'll look for further post as to details.

Cheers,
Rusty Click
Pittsburgh, PA


On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 12:55:42 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> I was fortunate to meet several of you DC area folks last year when I came 
> out for the C&O tour.  Some of you even rode and camped with us.  We had 
> such a great time, we wanted to come back and do something similar this 
> year.
>
> Me, son-in-law Carey, and Steve Butcher (graveldoc) are planning a return 
> this year for the GAP trail tour.  Like last year, our itinerary is a 
> little constrained.  But we want to extend the invitation for you to join 
> in, or meet-up somewhere, just in case it works out.  The plan looks like 
> this...
>
> Thursday (10/6) - arrive in Silver Spring
>
> Friday (10/7) - time with my grandson, but flexible for a meet-up
>
> Saturday (10/8) - part of day devoted to family outing, but also 
> coffeeneuring somewhere in Silver Spring, morning meet-up opportunity
>
> Sunday (10/9) - drive to Pittsburgh, hoping to drop in at Gravel and Grind 
> for a visit on the way
>
> Monday-Thursday (10/10 to 10/13) - ride from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, MD 
> on the GAP trail, some camping, some lodging
>
> Friday (10/14) - time with my grandson, but some flexibility for a meet-up
>
> Saturday (10/15) - return to Texas
>
> I've already had a couple of offline conversations with a couple of you, 
> and hope we'll be able to visit with you again this year.  If anyone is 
> interested in riding the GAP trail with us, I'll be happy to provide more 
> details on our anticipated schedule for that.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>

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[RBW] FS: 7 Pairs of 26-Inch Tires - NEW

[David Hallerman]

Hello,

With these 7 pairs of 26-inch tires for sale, here's what's the same 
about all of them:


* 26-inch, aka ISO 559mm
* foldable, kevlar bead
* all new, never mounted (except one pair, which was mounted but never 
ridden)

* all kept inside, stored in boxes, away from electric motors and such
* I'm the original owner of all 7 pairs

Here are the specifics, with prices for each pair.
Prices do not include shipping.

*SCHWALBE STELVIO*
26 x 1.0
road tires
separate front & rear tires
Price per pair = $50

*SCHWALBE MARATHON SUPREME*
26 x 2.0
road & commuting tires
Price per pair = $80

*CONTINENTAL CROSS*
26 x 1.5
dirt roads & off-road tires
Price per pair = $40

*CONTINENTAL GRAND PRIX*
26 x 1.0
road tires
this is only pair that were mounted, but never ridden
Price per pair = $30

*PANARACER RIBMO*
26 x 1.5
road & commuting tires
Price per pair = $50

*VREDESTEIN SLIZER & GRINDER*
26 x 1.9
off-road tires
Slizer is for front wheel
Grinder is for rear wheel
Price per pair = $40

*VREDESTEIN K-NOBS*
26 x 2.1
off-road tires
Price per pair = $40

Photos of each pair linked below.
Let me know if you want more info.

Dave, who says his overbuying can become your bargain
Hudson Valley, NY

SCHWALBE STELVIO
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/schwalbe_stelvio.jpg

SCHWALBE MARATHON SUPREME
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/schwalbe_marathon.jpg

CONTINENTAL CROSS
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/continental_cross.jpg

CONTINENTAL GRAND PRIX
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/continental_grandprix.jpg

PANARACER RIBMO
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/panaracer_ribmo.jpg

VREDESTEIN SLIZER & GRINDER
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/vredestein_slizer_grinder.jpg

VREDESTEIN K-NOBS
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/vredestein_knobs.jpg


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[RBW] Thoughts on building up a Clem Smith, Jr.

[Jack Doran]

Hi all,


Just thought I'd share some take aways from building up a Clem Smith, 
Jr.-L. My SO was in the market for a mixte or step through, and I saw a 52 
frame set at the garage sale for a really good price.

- As others in the group have pointed out, the chain stays are super, super 
long. I went with two Sram chains because the power link is much easier to 
deal with than Shimano's linking system, in my opinion. I used 124 links 
and all the 9 speed chains I saw were 114. I've seen that this is kind of a 
turn off for some people and that's understandable. A lucky alternative is 
if the mechanics at your LBS have bulk chain that they can just run off a 
spool. Riv does, but I don't know whether or not they sell chains like that 
as replacements or if they only use it for frames they're building up.

- If you're using brake housing from a kit, chances are, you won't have 
enough. I knew the L model's braze-ons were designed to have the rear brake 
cable housed all the way from the lever down to the hanger or noodle, but I 
underestimated how much housing that would require. A lot! Not a big deal 
since another quick trip to the LBS took care of it, but lesson learned for 
next time. The upside is that the housing's arc from the last braze on down 
to the v-brake noodle is super gradual, which I'm guessing means less 
friction. Likewise, the kit's rear brake cable came up just short, so I had 
to buy a tandem cable.

- There's so much clearance between the tire (650b 38mm in this case) and 
fork that it almost looks like you could run a wheel size up if you so 
desire. I know some v-brake arms allow enough travel distance of the shoe 
to squeeze different in a bigger wheel, but I'm not sure what this would do 
to the handling or if anyone has tried this. 

- With all that clearance, if you're looking to use a front rack that 
mounts through the fork crown hole, you're going to need cantis with a 
longer straddle cable or v-brakes with especially long arms to avoid 
blocking the hole. 

Hope this helps anyone who is looking to build up a CSJ-L and if anyone 
else has done so, I'd love to hear your thoughts as well.








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Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Sneaker pedals reflectors vs. reflective leg bands.

[Ryan Fleming]

you wouldn't believe in my neck of the woods that a lot of these  these 
cyclists are often wearing dark clothing with hoodies...not helmets...it's 
totally scary

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:15:28 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Metin Uz 
> > wrote:
>
>> I rode behind a guy in the dark the other day and my first thought was 
>>> "no lights? That's silly."
>>> My second thought was "those pedal reflectors are really visible."
>>>
>>>
>> There is your answer. Guys without lights have pedal reflectors. 
>> Randonneurs have ankle bands (and lights). Which do you think is more 
>> effective?
>>
>
> I appreciate the irony in your valid observation ("guys without lights 
> have pedal reflectors"), but I don't think that means it was a conscious 
> decision. 
>
> I see lots of people riding lousy, box-store bikes for daily 
> transportation.  Those riders rarely have lights (or accessories) beyond 
> what was on the bike at the time of purchase.  And almost every one of 
> those box-store bikes has cheap resin pedals with built-in reflectors, as 
> well as front and rear reflectors.  The front and rear are easy to remove 
> for someone inclined, but few of these riders will swap out the pedals.
>
> The big advantage of pedal reflectors and ankle bands is the movement.  
> The up-and-down movement pattern makes it very easy for the observer to 
> identify that it's a bicycle.  
>
>
>
>> On a serious note, pedal reflectors aren't bad, but ankle bands have much 
>> larger area and can be seen from any angle.
>>
>> And you're correct that an ankle band offers 360-degree visibility, 
> whereas pedal reflectors are only visible from the front and rear.
>
> Spoke reflectors also have a pretty unmistakable movement signature.
>
> Personally, I believe that lights, reflectors (especially moving ones), a 
> helmet, and a mirror work together to improve my chances of being seen, 
> avoiding collisions, and surviving a collision should one happen.
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[Ryan Fleming]

on drop bars TRPs are wonderful :)

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:15:35 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I would agree with Ryan in stating that the tiagras are perfectly adequate 
> which is why I've never replaced them.  I see them as functional but not 
> wonderful (due to a slight rattle in one of them).  I'm not sure the trps 
> would fall into the wonderful category but, if I ever replace the tiagras, 
> the trps, and now Origin8 Classiques, will be on my shortlist.
>
> John
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:19:37 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I've used tiagras on my moustache bars for years and  I find that they're 
>> perfectly adequate...I do like the looks of the flipped down TRPS , Drew, 
>>  as well, but I feel that the TRPs really come into their own with drop bars
>>
>> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought the straighter tiagras and wished I'd bought the trps and 
>>> flipped them.  They are much nicer brake levers.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[Surlyprof]

I would agree with Ryan in stating that the tiagras are perfectly adequate 
which is why I've never replaced them.  I see them as functional but not 
wonderful (due to a slight rattle in one of them).  I'm not sure the trps 
would fall into the wonderful category but, if I ever replace the tiagras, 
the trps, and now Origin8 Classiques, will be on my shortlist.

John

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:19:37 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I've used tiagras on my moustache bars for years and  I find that they're 
> perfectly adequate...I do like the looks of the flipped down TRPS , Drew, 
>  as well, but I feel that the TRPs really come into their own with drop bars
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I bought the straighter tiagras and wished I'd bought the trps and 
>> flipped them.  They are much nicer brake levers.
>>
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bars for Climbing

[Jim D Massachusetts]

Kai,   Nice job on the set-up (and on the pictures). I like the color 
scheme and the functional choice of accessories. What saddle and seat post? 
 Jim  D   Massachusetts

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[RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[drew]

im actually going to be setting up another bike with albastache bars this 
week. i have ordered the cane creek scr-5's with the gum hoods to try out. 
ill report back. 
the trp's feel really good, look really good, and work really good. i do 
sort of regret spending the $ to put them on a bar where you lose all the 
ergonomics they built into the hoods and levers though. 

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Re: [RBW] Leah's Bicycle Bus! (and question)

[islaysteve]

One more thought, Where is the school administration in this?  It seems 
like they would have an interest in 1) reducing car traffic in the morning 
and afternoon and 2) (Should have been 1), the kids' safety.  Cheers, Steve


On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-4, Bob K. wrote:
>
> A letter to the editor of your local paper might be in order! With a 
> slight change of tone and consideration for the potential audience, it 
> would be a great way to raise awareness of the pedestrians and 
> simultaneously tout the benefits of cycling to school with kids. Might 
> start a revolution!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Re: 650b Red Hetres supply?

[Carla Waugh]

Sold

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Re: Response to questions on using tubeless tures. Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Patrick Moore]

It's the same general idea, but modern sealants like Orange Seal are so
very much better than Slime that in fact it is a different system. You use
only 2 fl oz for a road tube/tire (4 oz for a fat tire) and it works so
much better that there is little to compare -- in my experience.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Valerie Yates  wrote:

> ... Is putting the tubeless sealant in a tube somehow better than those
> slime-filled tubes? Or the same?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Leah's Bicycle Bus! (and question)

[Bob K.]

A letter to the editor of your local paper might be in order! With a slight 
change of tone and consideration for the potential audience, it would be a 
great way to raise awareness of the pedestrians and simultaneously tout the 
benefits of cycling to school with kids. Might start a revolution!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Leah's Bicycle Bus! (and question)

[WETH]

Dear Leah,
I share others appreciation for both the updates and your writing talents!
On the pedestrian issue, if the sidewalks are indeed trails, perhaps getting 
your community to place signs would help.  Most of our "trails" have frequent 
signs reminding folks to walk/bike on the right and pass on the left, to 
announce they are passing, and to follow speed limits.  Signs along with PTA 
presentations and individual conversations will help.
My love of cycling dates to 5th grade when I was allowed to bike to school.  
Keep up the great work and keep the updates coming.
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This where I go for tubeless tire info:
http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2016/03/ww4m-tubeless-tire-tips.html
http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2016/03/ww4m-tubeless-tire-tips-questions.html


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Re: Response to questions on using tubeless tures. Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Valerie Yates]

Thanks so much! This is very helpful. Is putting the tubeless sealant in a 
tube somehow better than those slime-filled tubes? Or the same? 

I am doing a tiny amount of moving things around and then will take and 
share pics of the Hunq. It is orange! At first, I wondered if it is real 
because I don't really see many orange ones in online photos but every 
other thing about it says Hunq. The paint seems fragile, though. It came 
with the Atlas rims, an SP-dyno hub in front, a White industries hub in the 
back, RTPs, Sugino double crank/chainrings, a 12-40 cassette, VP grippy 
pedals, Paul canti brakes, Tektro drilled alloy brake levers with gum 
hoods, Berthoud saddle (which I am swapping to a different bike in favor of 
an Imperial Flyer), Chris King headset, Nitto dirt drop bars and stem, 
Nitto seatpost (the longest I have ever seen! It bottoms out in the seat 
tube.) And the Nitto big back rack and big front rack. Plus a nice dyno 
light and usb charger device. I'm swapping the big front rack with a 
different bike and putting  a mini-front rack plus wald basket instead.  He 
said he's only had it 6 months and ridden about 500 miles.  All of the 
components are all ones I like and would have chosen.All of that for 2k. 
What do you think? Seemed like an amazing price to me but I suppose these 
assessments are relative to the person and the local market. 

And I realized after I hit send on my last messages that I keep forgetting 
to delete out the prior text when replying -- so sorry for the extra space 
in your inboxes. I use the web interface and so I forget it comes by email 
to many/most people.  


On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 8:08:43 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Valerie: Yes, your floor pump will be fine. Just be sure that the valve 
> locknuts are always tight; otherwise a screw-on chuck or adaptor can loosen 
> them.
>
--- 

> With my road bikes, for which I still use tubes but filled with Stan's or 
> Orange Seal, I also carry 1 spare, sealant-filled tube, and I've had to 
> replace tubes only twice in the course of, what, 3 years? I think that 
> sealant in tubes does not work as well as it does in tubeless tires 
> designed to be run tubeless, but it still works PDG. I think I get 1 slow 
> leak for every 20 or so I got pre-sealant, only now of course the slow 
> leaks generally stop themselves -- 
>
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>
>
>
> *On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Valerie Yates  > wrote:*
>
> * I'm also just getting up to speed on how to maintain a bike that is 
> tubeless. Can I use my floor pump to top off the air when needed or do I 
> always need to use a compressor cartridge?  I wanted to get some tubes to 
> have on board just in case it flats out on a ride. And so I've also read 
> some tutorials about installing tubes after tubeless, just in case. Any 
> tips most welcome though perhaps better in a separate thread.  *
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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Jeremy Till]

Not really a response to your question, but a plug for Cliffhangers: 
they're awesome.  I've got the 622 versions on my Clem build and they built 
up easy, so far have been super bombproof (laced 36h 3x), and the tubeless 
setup is 100% straightforward (I'm using Specialized "2bliss Ready" MTB 
tires).  I seated the tires initially with a compressor, but the last time 
I topped off sealant I seated them with a floor pump, just to see if it 
could be done-- no problem!  I think it's cool that Velocity is making a 
rim like this, and it seems perfectly suited to something like a tubeless 
RTP setup.  

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 10:24:54 AM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Anyone mount Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Velocity Atlas rims? The tires are 
> tubeless ready but I don't think the rims are. I've asked tubeless 
> questions in the past and the general response I get is - if you use the 
> right tape and enough sealant, anything can be tubeless ;). 
>
> Thinking of buying the Rivendell 26" dyno wheelset (vs. going a build with 
> something like the velocity cliffhanger rims)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps I've just been lucky, but with a good tubeless setup, don't the
beads stay in place by friction and not by air pressure alone? I've had
setups where air pressure was required, and I never felt comfortable with
them -- didn't want to need a compressor 20 miles from home, or to risk
having to install a tube in a tire messy with sealant.

At any rate, Furious Freds' beads stay stuck on Velocity Blunts rims even
when all the air leaks out.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David Stein  wrote:

>  You want a compressor or something for when it goes flat, because you
> need a heavy blast of air to get it seated right.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Philip Kim]

for reference, atlas rims tubeless set up is awesome.  i use the Airwave 
Airblast Tubeless track pump here 
.
 
So easy to set up tubless with that pump. No leaks once your bead is 
seated. i'm selling so i can try to possibly get wider rims, set up 
tubeless again. maybe cliffhangers or rhynolite XL tubeless. but mostly 
likely putting on cheap 26" wheelset tubed for the time being so I can 
switch out RTPs and knobbies quicker.

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 1:24:54 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> Anyone mount Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Velocity Atlas rims? The tires are 
> tubeless ready but I don't think the rims are. I've asked tubeless 
> questions in the past and the general response I get is - if you use the 
> right tape and enough sealant, anything can be tubeless ;). 
>
> Thinking of buying the Rivendell 26" dyno wheelset (vs. going a build with 
> something like the velocity cliffhanger rims)
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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Philip Kim]

just for reference, atlas rims tubeless set up is awesome.  i use the 
Airwave Airblast Tubeless track pump here 
.
 
So easy to set up tubless with that pump. No leaks once your bead is 
seated. i'm selling so i can try to possibly get wider rims, set up 
tubeless again. maybe cliffhangers or rhynolite XL tubeless. but mostly 
likely putting on cheap 26" wheelset tubed with RTPs, as I'll be doing more 
commuting duty for the time being.

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 1:24:54 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> Anyone mount Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Velocity Atlas rims? The tires are 
> tubeless ready but I don't think the rims are. I've asked tubeless 
> questions in the past and the general response I get is - if you use the 
> right tape and enough sealant, anything can be tubeless ;). 
>
> Thinking of buying the Rivendell 26" dyno wheelset (vs. going a build with 
> something like the velocity cliffhanger rims)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[David Stein]

Valerie - congrats on the Hunqapillar purchase! With tubeless you should be
fine with any regular air pump for topping off. You want a compressor or
something for when it goes flat, because you need a heavy blast of air to
get it seated right. I have 2 tubeless setups (one legit with tubeless
ready rims and tires, another with tubeless ready rims and non-tubeless
ready tires, and about to setup a 3rd with non-tubeless ready rims and
tubeless ready tires), I have a Topeak Joe Blow high volume floor pump and
have been fine with just that, never had to use a compressor - the downside
is those HV pumps only go to 30 psi. I also keep some air compressors in my
riding tool kit (along with a tire plug kit) to help on the trail if I get
a flat, though luckily that hasn't happened yet (knock on wood). Though you
could just as well carry a spare tube and use that with a regular frame
pump. One of my tubeless setups is a 3 inch tire and the spare tube for
that is gigantic, hence the co2 cartridges and tire plug.

Shoji - funnily enough I messaged Philip as I came across his thread on
that bike build and he offered to sell me his wheelset!

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:05 AM, Valerie Yates  wrote:

> [Typo: I meant compressor or CO2 cartridge.]
>
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 7:42:12 AM UTC-6, Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>> I just bought a Hunq off craigslist that has RTPs tubeless on Atlas rims.
>> I didn't need another bike but a Hunq in my size, beautifully built, at an
>> amazing price. . . well, that's not just another bike. I scooped it up.
>>
>> The seller said it took a couple of tries to get one of them to hold air
>> but then it worked fine. I think the issue was how much or what kind of
>> tape was used. But they seem to be well-seated and holding air, if that is
>> the question. I can take measurements later if you are curious about
>> clearances, etc. Looks roomy.
>>
>> It has been a hard week and I haven't ridden it yet. I'm also just
>> getting up to speed on how to maintain a bike that is tubeless. Can I use
>> my floor pump to top off the air when needed or do I always need to use a
>> compressor cartridge?  I wanted to get some tubes to have on board just in
>> case it flats out on a ride. And so I've also read some tutorials about
>> installing tubes after tubeless, just in case. Any tips most welcome though
>> perhaps better in a separate thread.
>>
>> Val in Boulder, CO
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 11:24:54 AM UTC-6, dstein wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone mount Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Velocity Atlas rims? The tires
>>> are tubeless ready but I don't think the rims are. I've asked tubeless
>>> questions in the past and the general response I get is - if you use the
>>> right tape and enough sealant, anything can be tubeless ;).
>>>
>>> Thinking of buying the Rivendell 26" dyno wheelset (vs. going a build
>>> with something like the velocity cliffhanger rims)
>>>
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Response to questions on using tubeless tures. Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Patrick Moore]

Valerie: Yes, your floor pump will be fine. Just be sure that the valve
locknuts are always tight; otherwise a screw-on chuck or adaptor can loosen
them.

I carry 1 tube with the prescribed amount of sealant, in case of puncture
that the sealant in the tire won't close. Fortunately, I've yet to use it.
I assume that installing the tube would be difficult -- breaking the bead,
if you're setup is a good one, and getting the bead to seat again; and
messy -- leftover sealant in the tire.

After a couple of months carrying 2 tubes, it became clear that flats were
largely a thing of the past, and now I carry just the one. After all, if a
tubeless system is regularly going to need several spare tubes, it's
probably not a good tubeless system.

Here in usually very dry NM, I find I have to add more sealant every 2-3
months -- interval indicated by the growing frequency of slow leaks. (When
sealant is at proper levels, these are very rare; and even when sealant is
low, all flats are slow ones, or have been so far.) After most dirt rides,
and many pavement ones, I find the F Freds' tread speckled with little dark
spots where the Orange Seal has come through to do its job.

With my road bikes, for which I still use tubes but filled with Stan's or
Orange Seal, I also carry 1 spare, sealant-filled tube, and I've had to
replace tubes only twice in the course of, what, 3 years? I think that
sealant in tubes does not work as well as it does in tubeless tires
designed to be run tubeless, but it still works PDG. I think I get 1 slow
leak for every 20 or so I got pre-sealant, only now of course the slow
leaks generally stop themselves -- and this with much lighter tires.

Sealant contained in tubes seems to be like sealant in the bottle: it
doesn't dry up. Tho' I must, come to think of it, check my tubes to see
that this is so.

Photos of Hunq? May I indiscretely ask what you paid for it?



*On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Valerie Yates > wrote:*

* I'm also just getting up to speed on how to maintain a bike that is
tubeless. Can I use my floor pump to top off the air when needed or do I
always need to use a compressor cartridge?  I wanted to get some tubes to
have on board just in case it flats out on a ride. And so I've also read
some tutorials about installing tubes after tubeless, just in case. Any
tips most welcome though perhaps better in a separate thread.  *

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Valerie Yates]

[Typo: I meant compressor or CO2 cartridge.] 

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 7:42:12 AM UTC-6, Valerie Yates wrote:
>
> I just bought a Hunq off craigslist that has RTPs tubeless on Atlas rims. 
> I didn't need another bike but a Hunq in my size, beautifully built, at an 
> amazing price. . . well, that's not just another bike. I scooped it up. 
>
> The seller said it took a couple of tries to get one of them to hold air 
> but then it worked fine. I think the issue was how much or what kind of 
> tape was used. But they seem to be well-seated and holding air, if that is 
> the question. I can take measurements later if you are curious about 
> clearances, etc. Looks roomy. 
>
> It has been a hard week and I haven't ridden it yet. I'm also just getting 
> up to speed on how to maintain a bike that is tubeless. Can I use my floor 
> pump to top off the air when needed or do I always need to use a compressor 
> cartridge?  I wanted to get some tubes to have on board just in case it 
> flats out on a ride. And so I've also read some tutorials about installing 
> tubes after tubeless, just in case. Any tips most welcome though perhaps 
> better in a separate thread.  
>
> Val in Boulder, CO
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 11:24:54 AM UTC-6, dstein wrote:
>
>> Anyone mount Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Velocity Atlas rims? The tires are 
>> tubeless ready but I don't think the rims are. I've asked tubeless 
>> questions in the past and the general response I get is - if you use the 
>> right tape and enough sealant, anything can be tubeless ;). 
>>
>> Thinking of buying the Rivendell 26" dyno wheelset (vs. going a build 
>> with something like the velocity cliffhanger rims)
>>
>

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[RBW] Who bought the quill-to-clamp-on stem extender? Re: What's left, and lower prices for it. (fS: 7 speed Deore parts and more)

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, buyer, but my the dog ate my records. Will you please tap me on the
shoulder off list?

*5. Silver 1" quill to 1.25" clamp on adaptor, NEW/never installed, $12 +
shipping. *

Thanks.

Below: what's left.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
>> 2. Deore 7 speed era crankset FC MT60, silver,* 170 mm arms*, left arm
>> has a small gouge in one edge and a few minor scuffs. Right arm is clean.
>> 48-38-24 rings. *$40* + shipping.
>>
>> 2. Deore DX rear derailleur,, RD M650, scratched but otherwise fine, $
>> *$20* plus shipping. I'll toss in the top pull fd that is missing part
>> of the band clamp mech.
>>
>> 3. BR M650 cantilever brakeset, 2 pr arms with original pads (still
>> good), Shimano safety cables, and MT63 levers, all for *$30* + shipping.
>>
>> 9. Metal low pressure tire gauge (reads to 30 psi max), $10 + shipping.
>>
>

> 10. SL MT 62 7 speed thumbshifters, friction/indexed, $18 + shipping.
>> *SOLD*
>>
>> 11. MTB pedals, Taiwan, VP336 pedals, bearings could use some oil, *$10* +
>> shipping.
>>
>
*Take 13 and 14 below for $12 + shipping.*

>
>> 13. Large* Trek Clik-fit saddle wedge. (*will accept 2 road tubes plus
>> tire levers + patch kit + folding toolkit.) VG condition.
>>
>> 14. Even larger seat pack, slightly larger than a Banana Bag if you
>> remember those. I improved it by sewing the circumferential cinch strap to
>> the top of the bag; I forget how it was originally attached, but my sewing
>> (visible in photo but not when mounted) improved it. Otherwise as new --
>> used only a few miles.
>>
>> 15. Diamond Back Apex *tout Chromo* mountain bike frame, 16" c-c, *with* bb,
>> headset, and stand, sp, and saddle if you want them -- no discount for
>> leaving them out. *30* + shipping OR *free for shipping* if you use it
>> for a charitable purpose.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Valerie Yates]

I just bought a Hunq off craigslist that has RTPs tubeless on Atlas rims. I 
didn't need another bike but a Hunq in my size, beautifully built, at an 
amazing price. . . well, that's not just another bike. I scooped it up. 

The seller said it took a couple of tries to get one of them to hold air 
but then it worked fine. I think the issue was how much or what kind of 
tape was used. But they seem to be well-seated and holding air, if that is 
the question. I can take measurements later if you are curious about 
clearances, etc. Looks roomy. 

It has been a hard week and I haven't ridden it yet. I'm also just getting 
up to speed on how to maintain a bike that is tubeless. Can I use my floor 
pump to top off the air when needed or do I always need to use a compressor 
cartridge?  I wanted to get some tubes to have on board just in case it 
flats out on a ride. And so I've also read some tutorials about installing 
tubes after tubeless, just in case. Any tips most welcome though perhaps 
better in a separate thread.  

Val in Boulder, CO

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 11:24:54 AM UTC-6, dstein wrote:

> Anyone mount Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Velocity Atlas rims? The tires are 
> tubeless ready but I don't think the rims are. I've asked tubeless 
> questions in the past and the general response I get is - if you use the 
> right tape and enough sealant, anything can be tubeless ;). 
>
> Thinking of buying the Rivendell 26" dyno wheelset (vs. going a build with 
> something like the velocity cliffhanger rims)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[Jeremy Tavan]

There's also the Origin8 "Classique" levers, which have a somewhat related 
look to the TRPs but without the outwards flare to the levers. Might work 
well on the mustache/albastache? And they're inexpensive to boot. 

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:19:37 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I've used tiagras on my moustache bars for years and  I find that they're 
> perfectly adequate...I do like the looks of the flipped down TRPS , Drew, 
>  as well, but I feel that the TRPs really come into their own with drop bars
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I bought the straighter tiagras and wished I'd bought the trps and 
>> flipped them.  They are much nicer brake levers.
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[Ryan Fleming]

I've used tiagras on my moustache bars for years and  I find that they're 
perfectly adequate...I do like the looks of the flipped down TRPS , Drew, 
 as well, but I feel that the TRPs really come into their own with drop bars

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I bought the straighter tiagras and wished I'd bought the trps and flipped 
> them.  They are much nicer brake levers.
>
> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I think Philip Kim has a Hunqapillar with RTP tubeless on Atlas. (Set up by 
Gravel & Grind?)

Maybe he'll chime in?

shoji



On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 10:40:48 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Kellie  > wrote:
>
>> this page implies Atlas rims are tubeless ready: 
>> http://www.velocityusa.com/tech/rims/
>>
>
> Alas, it is not so. See here:
> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/atlas-622
> The "Tire Interface" is stated as "Clincher".
>
> On tubeless-ready Velocity stuff the "Tire Interface" mentions "Tubeless". 
> Like the A23 here: http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/a23-622
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>  
>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 10:24:54 AM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone mount Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Velocity Atlas rims? The tires 
>>> are tubeless ready but I don't think the rims are. I've asked tubeless 
>>> questions in the past and the general response I get is - if you use the 
>>> right tape and enough sealant, anything can be tubeless ;). 
>>>
>>> Thinking of buying the Rivendell 26" dyno wheelset (vs. going a build 
>>> with something like the velocity cliffhanger rims)
>>>
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Jeremy Tavan]

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 10:56:29 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> BTW, not an exact measurement, but with the bikes hanging from the front 
> wheel on my garage wall, the 60 cm Cheviot is about a bit less than a half 
> wheel longer than the 61 Homer. I'll measure total length when I get home, 
> but am curious to see how it will fit on Caltrain, in the smaller bike cars 
> that have 3 sided cages for the bikes. The 58 Hunqapillar fit tightly with 
> 50mm tires and fenders and the Cheviot seems longer with no fenders yet...
>

The only reason I haven't bought a Cheviot for use as a commuter is that 
with the extra-long chainstays I fully expect it to have the same problem 
on Caltrain as my Clem, alas. To get that bike in the three-sided racks, I 
have to turn out the front wheel and take up several bike's worth of space. 
I love the ride, but there are some external factors like public transit 
cage size that dictate how long a bike should be. I note that Grant and Co, 
being on the other side of the Bay, probably don't contend with Caltrain 
space limitations such that they'd be a factor in their design process. 
Aside from that, I'm a fan of the long-bike approach - super comfy.

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Re: [RBW] Leah's Bicycle Bus! (and question)

[Ryan Fleming]

Leah, I was wondering how your bike bus was going.

Sounds like there are a few challenges

I find with pedestrians, some do take the bell as honking and get pissed 
off. But most appreciate it and I'll often say something like " I'm not 
trying to be rude, just trying to warn you; I'm approaching" still some 
people are unbelievably selfish or self-absorbed or plugged in. I mean, 
really, what choice do you have but to take your junior commuters on the 
sidewalk?..

Also too bad that some of the kids are on totally inadequate bikes...that's 
a tough one. I still think there are not a whack of choices for kids' bikes

Anyway, keep fighting the good fight

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> *The below is really just storytelling about a neighborhood and its kids 
> and their bikes. There won't be anything informative or life-altering. It's 
> really just my reflections on bringing back cycling in the suburbs.* 
>
> We've been having a lot of new experiences on our bicycle bus. Lots of 
> kids come and go, and no one rides every day, save us, but we usually have 
> a a couple of kids join us. One day, we picked up a group of 3 girls. N is 
> a 5th grader who was a guest of the regular pair of sisters who join us. 
> N's little sister was being worked up for a possible cancer diagnosis, and 
> her mother had sent her to stay with family friends for a couple of days. 
> She was thrown into the bicycle bus without any say in the matter and when 
> I met her that morning, she was white with panic. 
>
> "Are you scared?" I asked her. "No," she said, "I'm TERRIFIED." 
>
> Okay then. I tried to puff up her courage a bit, and we set off down the 
> giant hill, traveling more slowly than normal. We made it to campus without 
> incident and N took a deep breath and began to focus on more important 
> matters. "I like your bike," she said, "because it has hearts and apples!" 
> It's the little things. 
>
> A family of 4 has been joining us as we ride by their house at least twice 
> per week. Both parents like to come when they can, and they have a 3rd 
> grader and 2nd grader. Those kids are riding Diamondback bikes in their 
> proper sizes, which are a major improvement from the cheap and too-small 
> sized bikes the rest of the kids ride. But the Diamondbacks are still heavy 
> what with their suspension forks and all, and they have no way to carry 
> luggage or water. Mom rides an Electra and Dad has a Gary Fischer mountain 
> bike.  Mom and Dad take the backpacks and use a Camelback water system, 
> which they share. I sent Mom a link to racks for her Electra, and she is 
> looking into purchasing one. 
>
> The pair of sisters L and G may get new bikes for Christmas. L rides her 
> mother's big, fendered cruiser-type bike, which has a rear rack. She's been 
> to Walmart, dreaming of which bike she would like. I bite my tongue, but I 
> really want to tell her to look for a Specialized on Craigslist. The 
> Hotrock can take a rack and has been a great bike for my older son. G is on 
> a Barbie bike that is a mere 20 inches and she is a 5th grader. It is 
> painful to watch her wobble to school with her knees knocking her chin, and 
> her lunch bag swinging madly from her bars. 
>
> The bike racks at school are now full to bursting with bikes and scooters. 
> It's a welcome sight, but also gives me a pang of sadness. Almost none of 
> the bikes are good for commuting. Most are woefully small for the rider. M 
> is a kid who describes his dad as being a "bike racer." M was given a new 
> lime green Specialized Hotrock to ride to school. The problem is that M is 
> a 5th grader, and he is riding the 20 inch bike. It would fit my 2nd 
> grader. He loves the bike; I know he does because he tried and tried to 
> ride it, and lime green appears to be his favorite color. But wobbling home 
> while having to carry your 35 lb backpack and Chromebook and lunch sack and 
> eventually, a musical instrument wasn't feasible. So now he walks. He 
> trudges along, laden with stuff and his shiny lime Hotrock sits, neglected 
> in the garage. 
>
> We live in an affluent area. Most of these kids are shuttled to school 
> with zero effort of their own, and zero discomfort. It's a valet line in 
> the car loop. A school employee opens your door, and you jump out. That's 
> IT. That's the end of your obligation to get to school, kid. Meanwhile, the 
> kids who are trying to get there by bike are doing it on the most 
> ill-fitting, ill-equipped machines. Their parents would say a quality bike 
> is too expensive; but they don't say that when plunking down the money for 
> their child's new iPhone. This is not a problem I can fix, so I am learning 
> to let it go... 
>
> The new issue I'm seeing on our horizon is that of unhappy pedestrians. We 
> had 6 kids and 2 moms bookending them on Thursday, and that's a lot of 
> bikes. We live in a terribly car-centric area. Everyone commutes by car 
> into t

Re: [RBW] Leah's Bicycle Bus! (and question)

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Leah,
I'm with the others-- I enjoy reading your posts for the writing, 
observations, and thoughtfulness. 

RE: PTA-- these posts are very much presentation ready with a few phone 
pics (or sidewalk and bike rack). Maybe there's a police officer or elected 
official or ??? in your neighborhood who would help press for improvements? 

Keep up the great work. Those children (and their parents) are fortunate to 
have someone like you as a neighbor.

shoji



On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:29:33 AM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Leah, I really enjoyed reading your report this morning over coffee. 
>  You've given us an informative, well-written and even inspirational 
> account of family cycling in the real world.  Please keep them coming!  As 
> I read, I wonder if there might be some community education that you could 
> provide (not that you need anything else to take on), aside from your 
> proposed one-on-efforts.  I'm thinking about a presentation at a PTA 
> meeting or such, maybe flyers, maybe even a simple website to get across 
> some basic ideas like, "We all need to share this dangerous roadway," "We 
> all need to share the sidewalk (stay on the right, etc)," and even some 
> tips on buying bikes for your kids.  Just some thoughts.  Best of luck with 
> the bicycle bus, and have a great school year.
> Steve
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[Surlyprof]

I bought the straighter tiagras and wished I'd bought the trps and flipped 
them.  They are much nicer brake levers.

John

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[RBW] Re: DC Area Friends Meet-up?

[Pondero]

Thanks, Howard, for the tips.  We'll consider the campground if camping in 
Rockwood.  I'm sorry we'll miss you, but best wishes on your wife's surgery.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas


On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 12:20:45 PM UTC-5, Howard Hatten wrote:
>
> Chris, I rode the gap @ c&o this past spring. You'll enjoy much nicer 
> trail conditions on the gap. Hopefully fall colors will greet you. If you 
> camp at one place I recommend Husky Haven Campground in Rockwood. Reserve 
> early enough and your group might get a covered campsite. They have a few. 
> Very nice owners & firewood is plentiful. (Free). 
> If my wife didn't have a surgery coming up I would join you. Have a nice 
> ride. 
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
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[RBW] Re: 650b'd Redwood.

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On such a tall Redwood I was expecting 650b to look kind of dorky. The 
WTB's have enough sidewall that I like the looks of this enough that I may 
try a conversion on my 68cm Bridgestone 400.

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Re: [RBW] Leah's Bicycle Bus! (and question)

[islaysteve]

Leah, I really enjoyed reading your report this morning over coffee. 
 You've given us an informative, well-written and even inspirational 
account of family cycling in the real world.  Please keep them coming!  As 
I read, I wonder if there might be some community education that you could 
provide (not that you need anything else to take on), aside from your 
proposed one-on-efforts.  I'm thinking about a presentation at a PTA 
meeting or such, maybe flyers, maybe even a simple website to get across 
some basic ideas like, "We all need to share this dangerous roadway," "We 
all need to share the sidewalk (stay on the right, etc)," and even some 
tips on buying bikes for your kids.  Just some thoughts.  Best of luck with 
the bicycle bus, and have a great school year.
Steve



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[RBW] Re: 650b'd romulus

[WETH]

Thanks for the photos.  That's fine clearance in my opinion!

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