[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Wheelset, ChocoMoose Handlebars, HiRiser Stem, & Some other various Handlebars

[adam leibow]

wheels and Map/ahearne bars are spoken for. 

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 6:10:18 PM UTC-8, adam leibow wrote:
>
> Hello Rivendell ppl, 
>
> I have some stuff for sale. I adjusted these prices to be cheaper than 
> what I have them at on craigslist. 
>
> 1. Nitto ChocoMoose Handlebar/stem combo. Light use, good condition. $110
>
> 2. Brand new 650b Wheelset: Velocity Aeroheat to Shimano LX hubs. I 
> believe this is Rich-built. It's 32 or 36 hole (can't remember). If spoke 
> count is a dealbreaker to you, I'll bust em out & check. Riv Standard 
> wheelsets are $400. get yours here BRAND NEW for $280, and with upgraded 
> hubs (currently they offer Deore hubs with their standard wheelsets, LX is 
> better)!
>
> 3. Brand New Nitto HiRiser stem. 25.4mm bars, 1 1/8" steerer tubes. 130mm 
> but it rises a lot so there's less reach than you'd think for a 130mm stem. 
> This is to comfort-able-ize your otherwise normal bike. $73 new on 
> Rivbike.com, I'll give it to ya for $55. (PS. would work as a nice dirt 
> drop stem since there's so much rise. Nitto makes some drop bars in 25.4mm, 
> such as the RM13 which would be perfect with this stem as an oldschool 
> mountain bike dirt drop combo). 
>
> 4. I also have some Map Ahearne Bars, the wider version they make to fit 
> brakes AND shifters. Silver. Rough cosmetic shape around where the stem 
> clamps, because of some shim issues. They work perfectly and have low 
> miles, they just have annoying scratches near the stem. Pretty much new 
> except for the ugly scratches, so only $20. 
>
> 5. Nitto Jitensha Flat bars. 26.0 clamp. These were $55 new at boxdog and 
> have seen very little use. Make sure your stem can accommodate the 26.0 
> width, as most flat bars are 25.4. These only have room for brakes, unless 
> your shifters can be clamped on without sliding them over the end of the 
> bar, if that makes sense. I know some paul thumbies can do this, and my 
> Shimano Deerhead shifters can do this, too. Otherwise, just assume they're 
> to be used with downtube shifters or for singlespeed. very light use, $35. 
>
> I'd much prefer local pickup in San Francisco (Ocean Beach/Outer Sunset), 
> but I can ship, too, at the exact price it costs above these prices. 
>
> Feel free to text me (free won cero) niiin siz free - siz niiin fave niiin 
> , or email A D A M L E I B O W (at) yahoo (dot) commm. 
>
> Will put pics later!! 
>
> Thanks for looking
>
> Adam
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Joe Bernard]

I wouldn't have thought of combining apple green and white, that's very pretty. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Surlyprof]

The fact that you're taking a break on a bike ride to read an illustrated copy 
of Peter Pan makes that extra awesome!

John

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah, I'm liking the Mark's Rack idea. I have a small Riv Trunksack that would 
fit it, or maybe I'll put my small Wald basket on. Thanks for the pic, it's 
very helpful. 

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[pscottm]

Here's another pic, a Mark's rack on an Ocean Air Rambler which has the 
same mounting points.  I had to bend the upper struts outward a little to 
clear the Racer brake.  Extra struts and spacers are available a la cart at 
Riv if you need them.  

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/pscottm/22F2B844-52DB-4182-817B-0C6B6E68D5B3.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Riv Atlantis chainstay clearance

[Julian Westerhout]

There are lots of good builders out there -- and getting a custom is always 
a neat idea. Many builders have their own ideas about how a bike should be 
built -- sometimes some will build whatever a customer wants -- or thinks 
they want -- all ok. 

No offense to Belopsky, but in this case I feel this is request a bit off 
-- presumably you really like what Riv has done with the Atlantis -- and 
who can blame you -- it is a great bike, and I love mine. It has in part 
been responsible for the greater availability of versatile bikes. I think 
asking folks on a Riv list to give you exact dimensions so you can have 
someone make you a cheaper copy does a disservice to both Riv and the 
builder. 

If you really love the Atlantis, save your pennies and buy one from them, 
or wait to find a used one -- reward Grant and Riv for what they've done in 
creating something you want. If you want something similar for less, let 
your discount framebuilder spec it out. 

Respectfully, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 


On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:24:00 PM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Negative, unless there is a used one in my size - Going to do it cheaper 
> from a different builder..
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Minor differences exist between Toyo & Waterford.  If tire size is the 
>> concern, Rivendell's max tire size listings are conservative, and actual 
>> size of a tire can vary from labeled size.  
>>
>> If you're considering a new Atlantis, some are now 650B.  Best to contact 
>> them directly for current specs.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:44:27 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the width at the fork and the chainstays?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, I confused my Patricks as the email string went on -  but the
recommendation stands. Bob

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Robert Barr  wrote:

> Deacon - take a look at this: http://www.patagonia.
> com/product/shelled-synchilla-duckbill-cap/22240.html?dwvar_
> 22240_color=INDG&cgid=mens-hats-accessories-hats#tile-20=&start=1&sz=36
>   I have one that I wear under a hood when things get cold, wet, and windy.
> For dryer colder conditions I go with the set I mentioned in an earlier
> note. Bob
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I've looked at these before, and I have a few worries:
>>
>> Do they stay on securely? I have small ears with lobes attached
>> (securely) to skull.
>>
>> Don't you end up losing one of the pair?
>>
>> This morning it was 25*F when I left the house, and, while I should have
>> worn a balaclava, instead, I used one of the faux Peruvian caps. This
>> didn't keep my upper cheeks warm, but it sure did keep my ears warm.
>>
>> I think that perhaps this might do the same trick while looking less
>> Fredly:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Research-83155-Peruvian-Hat/dp/B003P8QMGK
>>
>> Alas, if it only had a wee brim and Molteni graphics.
>>
>> This looks possible:
>>
>> http://www.bicycling.com/product/bontrager-classique-thermal-cycling-cap
>>
>> But no winter hat I've used so far, over the years, stays put unless I
>> somehow tie it under the chin -- I've got big hair.
>>
>> The little brim is a big plus. It helps keep wind as well as sun from the
>> eyes, and at night it keeps you from being blinded by oncoming auto
>> headlights.
>>
>> Does anyone know of an earflap cap like the Outdoor Research one -- flaps
>> tie under the chin -- *with* a brim?
>>
>> If not, I'm tempted to try a Bontrager and add elastic.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:57 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, I have used Ear Bags for years for rides below 40F. Much below
>>> 32 I add a thin balaclava.
>>> http://sprigs.com/earbags/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAhNnCBRCqkP6bvOjz_Iw
>>> BEiQAMn_TMWvzt87OR2ayRj7-QT4mhgmprIlRUQumpi8RCTWJZUgaAn9I8P8HAQ
>>>
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>> 
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

[Robert Barr]

Deacon - take a look at this:
http://www.patagonia.com/product/shelled-synchilla-duckbill-cap/22240.html?dwvar_22240_color=INDG&cgid=mens-hats-accessories-hats#tile-20=&start=1&sz=36
I have one that I wear under a hood when things get cold, wet, and
windy. For dryer colder conditions I go with the set I mentioned in an
earlier note. Bob

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks. I've looked at these before, and I have a few worries:
>
> Do they stay on securely? I have small ears with lobes attached (securely)
> to skull.
>
> Don't you end up losing one of the pair?
>
> This morning it was 25*F when I left the house, and, while I should have
> worn a balaclava, instead, I used one of the faux Peruvian caps. This
> didn't keep my upper cheeks warm, but it sure did keep my ears warm.
>
> I think that perhaps this might do the same trick while looking less
> Fredly:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Research-83155-Peruvian-Hat/dp/B003P8QMGK
>
> Alas, if it only had a wee brim and Molteni graphics.
>
> This looks possible:
>
> http://www.bicycling.com/product/bontrager-classique-thermal-cycling-cap
>
> But no winter hat I've used so far, over the years, stays put unless I
> somehow tie it under the chin -- I've got big hair.
>
> The little brim is a big plus. It helps keep wind as well as sun from the
> eyes, and at night it keeps you from being blinded by oncoming auto
> headlights.
>
> Does anyone know of an earflap cap like the Outdoor Research one -- flaps
> tie under the chin -- *with* a brim?
>
> If not, I'm tempted to try a Bontrager and add elastic.
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:57 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I have used Ear Bags for years for rides below 40F. Much below
>> 32 I add a thin balaclava.
>> http://sprigs.com/earbags/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAhNnCBRCqkP6bvOjz_Iw
>> BEiQAMn_TMWvzt87OR2ayRj7-QT4mhgmprIlRUQumpi8RCTWJZUgaAn9I8P8HAQ
>>
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> **
> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
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[RBW] HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Any other listers want to chime in on drivetrain choices for their upcoming 
HubbaHubbah tandem?

I'm on the fence with my chainring choices...

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Jeremy Tavan]

It requires customization, but my shop did a lovely job adding struts to a 
Soma stainless porteur rack to brace on fork-top braze-ons.  It makes for a 
really rigid four-point attachment, which is nice when loaded up!

/Jeremy

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 4:02:41 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about putting a front rack on Joe Blue and would like to use 
> those nifty braze-ons on top of the fork. What racks fit on them?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>

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[RBW] What are you hauling?

[J Imler]

See link - 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwHqG1q8uHdcMnhjZDZySFlLX3M/view?usp=drivesdk

Appaloosa with Weehoo and Trek trailer. Approx. 20ft. in length. No matter, 
good times!

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[RBW] FS: 650b Wheelset, ChocoMoose Handlebars, HiRiser Stem, & Some other various Handlebars

[adam leibow]

Hello Rivendell ppl, 

I have some stuff for sale. I adjusted these prices to be cheaper than what 
I have them at on craigslist. 

1. Nitto ChocoMoose Handlebar/stem combo. Light use, good condition. $110

2. Brand new 650b Wheelset: Velocity Aeroheat to Shimano LX hubs. I believe 
this is Rich-built. It's 32 or 36 hole (can't remember). If spoke count is 
a dealbreaker to you, I'll bust em out & check. Riv Standard wheelsets are 
$400. get yours here BRAND NEW for $280, and with upgraded hubs (currently 
they offer Deore hubs with their standard wheelsets, LX is better)!

3. Brand New Nitto HiRiser stem. 25.4mm bars, 1 1/8" steerer tubes. 130mm 
but it rises a lot so there's less reach than you'd think for a 130mm stem. 
This is to comfort-able-ize your otherwise normal bike. $73 new on 
Rivbike.com, I'll give it to ya for $55. (PS. would work as a nice dirt 
drop stem since there's so much rise. Nitto makes some drop bars in 25.4mm, 
such as the RM13 which would be perfect with this stem as an oldschool 
mountain bike dirt drop combo). 

4. I also have some Map Ahearne Bars, the wider version they make to fit 
brakes AND shifters. Silver. Rough cosmetic shape around where the stem 
clamps, because of some shim issues. They work perfectly and have low 
miles, they just have annoying scratches near the stem. Pretty much new 
except for the ugly scratches, so only $20. 

5. Nitto Jitensha Flat bars. 26.0 clamp. These were $55 new at boxdog and 
have seen very little use. Make sure your stem can accommodate the 26.0 
width, as most flat bars are 25.4. These only have room for brakes, unless 
your shifters can be clamped on without sliding them over the end of the 
bar, if that makes sense. I know some paul thumbies can do this, and my 
Shimano Deerhead shifters can do this, too. Otherwise, just assume they're 
to be used with downtube shifters or for singlespeed. very light use, $35. 

I'd much prefer local pickup in San Francisco (Ocean Beach/Outer Sunset), 
but I can ship, too, at the exact price it costs above these prices. 

Feel free to text me (free won cero) niiin siz free - siz niiin fave niiin 
, or email A D A M L E I B O W (at) yahoo (dot) commm. 

Will put pics later!! 

Thanks for looking

Adam

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Joe Bernard]

That's an interesting idea, Sky. Love that Bombadil!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

George asked about my S500 brakelevers. 

Regular brake levers work well with cantilever brakes. No special adjustability 
is required. These levers do have a reach adjust screw, but that's more to tune 
them to your hand size, not to change the mechanical advantage. You would 
likely need a travel agent or similar device to use these levers with full size 
V brakes, but mini v brakes and cantilever brakes work fine with no special 
maneuvers  

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[George Schick]

Another question, if I may, now that I'm looking at the finished build: 
 Those SRAM S500 levers - the manf.'s literature on the Web says their 
adjustable for many applications.  I assume that they were adjustable 
enough to work with the canti's you're using without the need for a travel 
agent?  They look like very nice brake levers with good ergonomic 
qualities. 

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 2:27:41 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a 
> Pearl 11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list 
> is something like this:
>
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
> Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON 
> Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
>   Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
> Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T 
> tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
>   SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
> Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500 
> brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
> Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp, 
> Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack
>
> There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a 
> little closer
>
> PHOTO  
>

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Sky Coulter]

I have my bombadil set up using a nitto r-14 rack connected to those 
braze-ons

https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/29063521753/in/album-72157671337540401/

Sky in new west
On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 4:02:41 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about putting a front rack on Joe Blue and would like to use 
> those nifty braze-ons on top of the fork. What racks fit on them?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
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[RBW] WTB: Brooks C17s (women's), Sugino xd600 crankset or simliar (110 bcd), silver threaded post cantis.

[comveo]

Hey all, 

Looking for a few used bits for a winter project. Please let me know if you 
have any of the items in the title that you're willing to part with and photos 
if possible, would be excellent
Saddle color is not hugely important and cranks do not need rings, but length 
of 165 or 170mm is preferred.
.

Thanks so much!


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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[adam leibow]

those mounts are for using a rear rack as a front rack, but Mark's rack 
also works with them because it uses a second pair of struts. so the 
forward-most struts connect to the mid mounts, and you can use the 
rear-most struts to connect to the brazeons on top of the fork (in addition 
to the diving board plate thing at the fork crown hole). this may require 
some bending. 

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>
> I'm thinking about putting a front rack on Joe Blue and would like to use 
> those nifty braze-ons on top of the fork. What racks fit on them?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
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[RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Glen, a 26x5" (4.3" actual) wheel fits in the front. But that wheel, from my 
Pugsley needs special, custom-made washers (thanks pal Eric Liefeld, CEO of 
Liefeld Fabrications Inc) to make the 135mm hub fit in the weird 142mm Jones' 
spacing. My primary complaint about the JP is the weird front spacing. Newer 
models have 150mm spacing up front, so now you can possibly buy a really 
expensive Son dynamo hub to fit the bike. The back will take an actual 3.2" 
tire ( a Knard on a Rabbit Hole rim) and no more.

Yes I ride Fruita and Grand Junction technical trails all the time since I live 
there. :-) You would think a long (46 inch or so), wheelbased bike would make 
technical trail riding difficult. It doesn't, really! I don't know why. This 
seems to be widely observed. Turns out long bikes can be nimble.

 I am no great trail rider and the Jones doesn't make me that, but I do clear 
steeper ascents and descents than I do on any other bike. Also the flickable 
front end (relatively unweighted and low trail) helps me do better in rock 
gardens.

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[RBW] Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Joe Bernard]

I'm thinking about putting a front rack on Joe Blue and would like to use those 
nifty braze-ons on top of the fork. What racks fit on them?

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Joe Bernard]

It could be worse. You could be rocking a lime helmet with THIS. 

Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182360048443

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[RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Glen]

For those of you with a Plus, can you run it with really fat 27.5 or 26 
wheels as a snow bike?

Mojo, have you ridden technical single track (Fruita or Moab) on it and if 
so how did it do? 

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto 32R rear rack

[Kieran J]

Hi All,

I'm scoping for one of the MED Nitto 32R rear racks, as per below.
Drop me a line if you have one to spare.

Thanks,

Kieran
Toronto, Canada





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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Surlyprof]

Does that mean I have to find tweed knickers with some lime green thread 
running through it? (I do know where I can get some made with reflective 
thread!)

John "not British enough to pull that off"

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 5:50:26 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> I think a lime helmet with lime frame is awesome. Very British and 
> Brompton! :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Patrick Moore]

Photos required.

What gear?

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Evan E.  wrote:


> My old Raleigh Competition, converted to single speed, offers similar
> rigor and reward.
>
> Ev
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Andrew Huston]

All this talk makes me feel that getting rid of my Jones may be a mistake. 
(shameless plug for current sale ;)  I don't ride the Plus and the Diamond 29 
only comes in a 23".  When spending this amount of money on a bike and being 
told one size (or two) fits a range, it's hard not to be skeptical.  My PBH is 
~84cm at 5'10".  Jeff suggested the stem length which seems the only necessary 
part needed to change fit.  It is amazing how I can feel upright and super 
comfortable for long rides, aggressive when I want to be, and good in technical 
stuff.  Loop bars are a big reason. She ain't light tho, super stout.  I run 
Schwalbe Big Apples on road and trail and with good pressure, does a nice job.  
All the buzz seems to be on the Plus but the 29 is a great all around bike.  I 
think Jeff is filling many folks Holy Grail bike dream.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Geeter]

Bill, Jones now has a 23" spaceframe plus for riders too short for the 24" plus.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[stonehog]

Love the bike, Bill!  One quick note on Colin (Stevens) - he works out of 
Seattle's Georgetown neighborhood.  Here's the website if anyone wants to 
look into his racks/trailers:  http://www.haulincolin.com/index.html  

I have his rack on my Hunqapillar, and can vouch for it being a great piece 
of hauling gear!

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA
www.stonehog.com

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>
> Ted asked about the front rack on my new build
>
> There's a rack guy in Portland who goes by the business name Haulin Colin. 
> A list member had Colin build him this rack custom, but then he decided he 
> was going in another direction.  I had owned a Haulin Colin full porteur 
> rack and was super happy with it, so I was pleased to pick this up. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue 61 Rambouillet

[adam leibow]

I sent you an email 

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 5:49:22 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Thomas wrote:
>
> Hi everyone - I'm selling my blue 61 Ram. I bought it from Pedal 
> Revolution in San Francisco in 2015 for $2150.  I've since replaced plenty 
> of parts - new cassette, chain, center chainring, crank arm, and bottom 
> bracket.
>
> 61 cm royal blue frame
> SON front hub with halogen headlight not sure of the light brand name
> Rim Type - Open Sport
> 35 Marathon Supremes, brand new (50 miles)
> Selle Anatomica saddle
> Soma drop bars with bar-end shifters
> Lugged stem not sure if it's Nitto or not
> Shimano 105 front derailer
> Rear Ultegra Shimano derailer
> Seat Post Nitto
> Crankset - 46/34/26
> Brake calipers
> Brake levers
>
> I've attached an example of the minimal paint damage.  And the front hub 
> has an ultra-minor dent that's noticeable during breaking, difficult to 
> even find.  
>
> I'm looking for $2000 for local pickup, wiling to ship at buyer's expense. 
>  
>
> Weekend test rides are good, as well as during the workday. I work 
> downtown in San Francisco. Please be sure to email me directly for any 
> questions djj...@gmail.com 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> Jonathan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Evan E.]

Deacon Patrick,

I love this line of yours: "Grant Petersen's Quickbeam is always 
comfortable, never comforting, always challenging, always enlivening. . . " 
Sounds great! My old Raleigh Competition, converted to single speed, offers 
similar rigor and reward.

Evan Elliot
SF, CA


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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Eric Daume]

Bill asked more specifically about the Jones fit.

I think there's two things that let the Jones fit a wide variety of sizes:

- the seat tube is very slack, so a taller rider moves back more,
increasing reach

- the Jones H bar allow a big range of reach adjustment, so lots of room to
find a comfortable position.

I could think of a few other factors: the EBB lets riders adjust the bottom
bracket relative to the seat, and the rigid specific geometry keeps the
front end relatively low, for good standover clearance on the sloping top
tube. But I think the first two points are the most key.

Eric

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> Eric reported:
>
> "I'm 6'3", 36" PBH, and fit quite well on a 25" Jones Plus (now "Jones
> Large"). It's one of the most comfortable bikes I've owned, maybe THE most
> comfortable."
>
> Thanks for responding.  It's very good that you are comfortable on your
> Jones Plus, but I was asking more about fit than comfort.  Specifically, my
> main question was not "who fits on a Jones".  My question was "how does
> fitting work?"  Do you "get fit" by taking numerous measurements, like some
> "bike fitters" do professionally?  Do you just jump on a bike and ride it
> and buy one if you like it?  Do you talk on the phone to somebody at Jones
> and they say "just buy size X?"  The thing I'm gathering is that the Jones
> is almost like a BMX bike for grown ups.  It's so fun and killer and
> comfortable that it transcends size and fit.  Just go ride it and have
> fun.  Nobody "fit" a BMX bike.  You just rode it and smiled.  Is that a
> reasonable assessment?  Or is there something particular about the build
> process where you dial in the fit with the steertube and seat post, and so
> forth that allows you to get a precise "fit" even though there are only two
> sizes?  The vibe I'm getting is the bike kind of transcends fit.  Just go
> ride it, tweak things if you feel like it, and ride it some more.  Is that
> the way it works?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[David Stein]

I have the 24" and am on the short side at 5'7" and it fits great. Never
thought twice about it once I got it (and I way overthought it before
ordering, and was put off by this the longest time till I rode someones
Jones). This is from a dirtrag article, I'm sure Jeff has some blurb
somewhere as well":

"Though Jeff ‘s claim of proper fit for riders 5’5” to 6’2” may seem
dubious, I now believe it to be valid for the vast majority of people. As
rider height increases the virtual seat tube slackens to accommodate taller
riders, and conversely steepens for shorter riders. In conjunction with a
longer or shorter stem, the rider’s fore-aft weight distribution remains
similar, regardless of height. For perspective, Jeff designed this bike
around his six-foot self."


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Eric reported:
>
> "I'm 6'3", 36" PBH, and fit quite well on a 25" Jones Plus (now "Jones
> Large"). It's one of the most comfortable bikes I've owned, maybe THE most
> comfortable."
>
> Thanks for responding.  It's very good that you are comfortable on your
> Jones Plus, but I was asking more about fit than comfort.  Specifically, my
> main question was not "who fits on a Jones".  My question was "how does
> fitting work?"  Do you "get fit" by taking numerous measurements, like some
> "bike fitters" do professionally?  Do you just jump on a bike and ride it
> and buy one if you like it?  Do you talk on the phone to somebody at Jones
> and they say "just buy size X?"  The thing I'm gathering is that the Jones
> is almost like a BMX bike for grown ups.  It's so fun and killer and
> comfortable that it transcends size and fit.  Just go ride it and have
> fun.  Nobody "fit" a BMX bike.  You just rode it and smiled.  Is that a
> reasonable assessment?  Or is there something particular about the build
> process where you dial in the fit with the steertube and seat post, and so
> forth that allows you to get a precise "fit" even though there are only two
> sizes?  The vibe I'm getting is the bike kind of transcends fit.  Just go
> ride it, tweak things if you feel like it, and ride it some more.  Is that
> the way it works?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Ray Varella]

I've wondered the same thing in regards to how does one individual fit 
themselves to a Jones bike. 
I don't have any experience with BMX bikes (or the Jones for that matter) but 
rode 26" wheel Schwinn cruisers for years. 
Several of my friends rode them as well. 
There was over 12" difference in height between the shortest and tallest riders 
and everyone rode the same size bike. 
No one ever second guessed their fit, we just made adjustments to bars and 
saddle heights.  

Is the Jones bike fit more like a 26" wheeled cruiser in terms of getting a 
good fit. 

Is good enough better than exact on these bikes?


Ray
Vallejo CA

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Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I've looked at these before, and I have a few worries:

Do they stay on securely? I have small ears with lobes attached (securely)
to skull.

Don't you end up losing one of the pair?

This morning it was 25*F when I left the house, and, while I should have
worn a balaclava, instead, I used one of the faux Peruvian caps. This
didn't keep my upper cheeks warm, but it sure did keep my ears warm.

I think that perhaps this might do the same trick while looking less Fredly:

https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Research-83155-Peruvian-Hat/dp/B003P8QMGK

Alas, if it only had a wee brim and Molteni graphics.

This looks possible:

http://www.bicycling.com/product/bontrager-classique-thermal-cycling-cap

But no winter hat I've used so far, over the years, stays put unless I
somehow tie it under the chin -- I've got big hair.

The little brim is a big plus. It helps keep wind as well as sun from the
eyes, and at night it keeps you from being blinded by oncoming auto
headlights.

Does anyone know of an earflap cap like the Outdoor Research one -- flaps
tie under the chin -- *with* a brim?

If not, I'm tempted to try a Bontrager and add elastic.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:57 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Patrick, I have used Ear Bags for years for rides below 40F. Much below 32
> I add a thin balaclava.
> http://sprigs.com/earbags/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAhNnCBRCqkP6bvOjz_
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric reported: 

"I'm 6'3", 36" PBH, and fit quite well on a 25" Jones Plus (now "Jones 
Large"). It's one of the most comfortable bikes I've owned, maybe THE most 
comfortable."

Thanks for responding.  It's very good that you are comfortable on your 
Jones Plus, but I was asking more about fit than comfort.  Specifically, my 
main question was not "who fits on a Jones".  My question was "how does 
fitting work?"  Do you "get fit" by taking numerous measurements, like some 
"bike fitters" do professionally?  Do you just jump on a bike and ride it 
and buy one if you like it?  Do you talk on the phone to somebody at Jones 
and they say "just buy size X?"  The thing I'm gathering is that the Jones 
is almost like a BMX bike for grown ups.  It's so fun and killer and 
comfortable that it transcends size and fit.  Just go ride it and have 
fun.  Nobody "fit" a BMX bike.  You just rode it and smiled.  Is that a 
reasonable assessment?  Or is there something particular about the build 
process where you dial in the fit with the steertube and seat post, and so 
forth that allows you to get a precise "fit" even though there are only two 
sizes?  The vibe I'm getting is the bike kind of transcends fit.  Just go 
ride it, tweak things if you feel like it, and ride it some more.  Is that 
the way it works?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Patrick Moore]

Of course, your terrain is much more up and down than mine.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> No need (for middlin'). Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 2:10:41 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> That's a good spread of gears. Question : why do you use the big ring
>> only with the small cog, and the small ring with big cog only? That 58"
>> gear seems to me to be very useful.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Deacon Patrick]

No need (for middlin'). Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 2:10:41 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's a good spread of gears. Question : why do you use the big ring only 
> with the small cog, and the small ring with big cog only? That 58" gear 
> seems to me to be very useful.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Patrick Moore]

If anyone cares to try a S3X hub, I have one -- 126 mm OL, but will work
fine with a 130 and probably 135 spacing, too -- that I am eager to sell.
32 hole. Inquire within.

Others think differently, but I prefer to use this hub with a freehwheel,
not a fixed cog -- too much lash. I have another with a 17 t freewheel for
the 2003 Riv.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Patrick Moore]

That's a good spread of gears. Question : why do you use the big ring only
with the small cog, and the small ring with big cog only? That 58" gear
seems to me to be very useful.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Alan,
>
> I have 32/40 front, 16/19 rear. I only run the high (outside) and low
> (inside) combinations. To Patrick of the Moors' question on why Grant went
> with front rather than rear for the difference, I can only speculate that
> dual cogs may not have been readily available at the time? The upshot for
> me is that I can maximize the spread and achieve roughly the same high low
> ratios (with my 22t cog on the flip hub) as a IGH 3-speed, all within the
> range of the 8-tooth spread the rear dropouts allow. My high gear has a
> combined 56t, my low gear has 51, so with a spread of only 5t I have a gear
> inches spread from 40ish to 70ish. Not bad range for a single speed. Grin.
> See Sheldon's gear calculator chart attached.
>
>
> 
>
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:26:47 PM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> Forgot to ask: what size chainrings and cogs do you use?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 3:06:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Photos and drippings of ooze for one of my two favorite bicycles!
>>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings/
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill, I wrote a JP review back in July 2015.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/internet-bob/v92_t69-FYQ

I am 72.5 inches tall with an 89 PBH. I like my 25 inch Jones Plus. It is big 
for me but that hasn't caused any problems for me. Jeff Jones of similar height 
chooses the 24 but rides both.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Eric Daume]

Bill L asked: who fits on a Jones

I'm 6'3", 36" PBH, and fit quite well on a 25" Jones Plus (now "Jones
Large"). It's one of the most comfortable bikes I've owned, maybe THE most
comfortable.

I've had my Jones for almost a year. Here's a mid point write up:

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2016/07/bike-update-jones.html

I like so much about the bike, but lately I'm wondering if 29+ wheels just
have too much inertia for our twisty trails. Sometimes, it takes a bit of
man handling to twist the front end around. I'm lately experimenting with
650B+ in a 29er frame to see if that's a happy medium.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> To the Jones Plus lovers:  How does "fitting" work?  The glaringly obvious
> difference between the Jones Plus and the Hunqapillar on-paper is that the
> Jones comes in two sizes and the Hunqapillar comes in ELEVEN.  What PBH
> ranges can ride a Jones Plus?  I'm probably fine because I'm a 5'10" man
> and everything fits me.  But what range of the middle of the bell curve can
> get by on a Jones Plus?  What size do you have and what is your PBH?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> I'll jump in here. I have ridden the Jones Plus for 18 months and a
>> Krampus for an afternoon. There is no comparison. The Jones' handling is
>> fast and nimble. It climbs like no other bike. The Jones has numerous
>> design features that work together for its unique (to me) handling. The
>> shallow head angle, 67.5 degrees, and very long rake, 76mm, create
>> geometric trail in the mid 70s. The Krampus has a slackish HA at 69 degrees
>> but uses a more traditional rake of 47mm (because big rake requires a
>> radically new, or very old, fork design) that creates a very sluggish 100mm
>> of geometric trail. The 'upright and back' rider position also adds to the
>> Jones' nimbleness.
>>
>> Then the rear end; the Jones chainstays are 19 inches, the Krampus 17.1
>> inches. I personally am DONE with short CSs. The longer CSs help me keep
>> the front end down during steep climbs.
>>
>> The far out front wheel and the far back rear wheel make for a large
>> sweet spot for climbing, and security for steep descents. I agree with
>> Daniel, the Jones is in a different league than the Krampus. I love Surly's
>> but not for 29er Plus design, yet.
>>
>> Joe in GJT
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[RBW] Re: Snow powder and pack tires

[Deacon Patrick]

No such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:28:08 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I don't know how you do it!
> The cold just makes me not want to ride. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

[lum gim fong]

*Here is an idea:*

Do a nod to all the Hillborne former frame colors.

Tape the bars up with a little of each previous Sam frame matching color. 
Orange, pea green, and smoke blue.

I have some blue Sam matching bartape if you want it for postage for the 
task.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Bill Lindsay]

To the Jones Plus lovers:  How does "fitting" work?  The glaringly obvious 
difference between the Jones Plus and the Hunqapillar on-paper is that the 
Jones comes in two sizes and the Hunqapillar comes in ELEVEN.  What PBH 
ranges can ride a Jones Plus?  I'm probably fine because I'm a 5'10" man 
and everything fits me.  But what range of the middle of the bell curve can 
get by on a Jones Plus?  What size do you have and what is your PBH?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8, Mojo wrote:
>
> I'll jump in here. I have ridden the Jones Plus for 18 months and a 
> Krampus for an afternoon. There is no comparison. The Jones' handling is 
> fast and nimble. It climbs like no other bike. The Jones has numerous 
> design features that work together for its unique (to me) handling. The 
> shallow head angle, 67.5 degrees, and very long rake, 76mm, create 
> geometric trail in the mid 70s. The Krampus has a slackish HA at 69 degrees 
> but uses a more traditional rake of 47mm (because big rake requires a 
> radically new, or very old, fork design) that creates a very sluggish 100mm 
> of geometric trail. The 'upright and back' rider position also adds to the 
> Jones' nimbleness.
>
> Then the rear end; the Jones chainstays are 19 inches, the Krampus 17.1 
> inches. I personally am DONE with short CSs. The longer CSs help me keep 
> the front end down during steep climbs.
>
> The far out front wheel and the far back rear wheel make for a large sweet 
> spot for climbing, and security for steep descents. I agree with Daniel, 
> the Jones is in a different league than the Krampus. I love Surly's but not 
> for 29er Plus design, yet.
>
> Joe in GJT
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Snow powder and pack tires

[lum gim fong]

I don't know how you do it!
The cold just makes me not want to ride. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[lum gim fong]

Tires are sold. Thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Robert Keal]

Daniel and Joe--

Yeah, it seems like a Jones Plus may be in my future! Going to have to
pinch some pennies for that day to come, though--maybe by next fall unless
a used one shows up somewhere (unlikely). Luckily, the Krampus may not
stand up when A-B'd with the Jones Plus, but it's still a pretty fun bike
for an ignoramus such as myself! Thanks for all of the great input, and my
apologies to others for throwing a third bike in this Hunq/Jones Plus
thread.

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

George asked:  "Did you select this particular model specially for your 
commute, to carry it on board the BART trains? "

Short answer:  Yes

The longer answer is more nuanced.  I really dig the whole Rosco Bubbe 
project and the way it allows us to kind of crowd-fund Rivendell's 
continuing to explore bike concepts that flat out do not exist anywhere 
else in the world.  I particularly dig the headbadge and the rocket.  My 
ultimate custom Rivendell would possibly be a cantilever equipped Roadeo.  
The 58cm Rosco Road is exactly that, for about $2700 less, albeit 
tig-welded with heavier tubing.  The deal killer for me was the horizontal 
dropouts.  Horizontal dropouts are completely useless unless you want to 
convert your geared bike to a single speed.  Three of my bikes (including 
this Rosco) have horizontal dropouts and I'd change them all to vertical if 
I could wave my magic wand.  

But then I rode it.  It rides like a great road bike.  I tested out the 
Liftatube and it's perfect for me.  I kind of hated the look of the top 
tube and head tube extension.  The top tube looks "dropped" for no really 
good reason.  Lifting the bike by the handle gave me a good reason.  It 
fits!  The top tube is right in my arm pit and I've got a great grip on the 
liftatube.  It's like a tailor measured my sleeve-length and custom built 
that liftatube for me.  

Still, the combination of the price, the horizontal dropouts and the look 
of a cheaper tigged bike still had me on the fence.  I had almost the 
entire build on-hand.  I had sold my low-trail, flexy ('planing') road 
frameset, and had a great dynamo road wheelset ready.  I almost backed into 
a used Ebisu All-Purpose that would have become this build.  I lost out on 
that one, and decided to build this purpose built every day bike instead.  
That made the price more palatable because I was going to buy a used frame 
for $1450, but I got this one for $925.  It's like I SAVED $500, right?  :-)

Anyway, it's going to be an optimal bike for my every day BART + bike 
routine.  I will experiment with a couple bike camping load configurations 
on it, and if I spend as much time riding this summer as I expect to, I 
will not rule out putting a pair of Compass Stellacoom 700x38 knobbies on 
it and doing some cyclocross races this next fall on it.  A Legolas at a 
$2000 discount?  Maybe

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[BSWP]

I've had my QuickBean loaded for light camping (EntMoot!) and it rode like 
a champ, from SF Ferry building, up over the bridge, through Marin hills, 
to campsite, and back. It challenges me to be extra fit, and that's a good 
thing, I don't mind at all. It truly is a state of mind one adopts, when 
going out with just one, or maybe two, gears... but many speeds :-)

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'll jump in here. I have ridden the Jones Plus for 18 months and a Krampus for 
an afternoon. There is no comparison. The Jones' handling is fast and nimble. 
It climbs like no other bike. The Jones has numerous design features that work 
together for its unique (to me) handling. The shallow head angle, 67.5 degrees, 
and very long rake, 76mm, create geometric trail in the mid 70s. The Krampus 
has a slackish HA at 69 degrees but uses a more traditional rake of 47mm 
(because big rake requires a radically new, or very old, fork design) that 
creates a very sluggish 100mm of geometric trail. The 'upright and back' rider 
position also adds to the Jones' nimbleness.

Then the rear end; the Jones chainstays are 19 inches, the Krampus 17.1 inches. 
I personally am DONE with short CSs. The longer CSs help me keep the front end 
down during steep climbs.

The far out front wheel and the far back rear wheel make for a large sweet spot 
for climbing, and security for steep descents. I agree with Daniel, the Jones 
is in a different league than the Krampus. I love Surly's but not for 29er Plus 
design, yet.

Joe in GJT

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[Fullylugged]

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[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

[BSWP]

YES! A beautiful example, and not just the colors, thank you. (And 
apologies for the thread hijack)

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 9:38:32 AM UTC-8, M D Smith wrote:
>
> Andrew asked:
>
> "... can anyone point to good examples of super dark frames (black, or 
> deepest green, say) that had both cream head tubes AND cream seat tubes?" 
>
> To which I reply:
>
> I've always liked this bike, back from my days on the iBOB list.  It's 
> maroon, so maybe not as dark as you are thinking, but a real stunner:
>
> 
>
> Cherrs- Mike in Bklyn, NY
>
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[RBW] Re: Snow powder and pack tires

[Deacon Patrick]

This morning's ramble was down the pass four miles on densely snowpacked 
roads and nearly no traffic to get communion for my family. Racing Ralphs 
gripped wonderfully, and I would have been uncomfortable with the Thunder 
Burts on this section of road (which has greater potential for drivers 
unfamiliar with how to drive in these conditions than when I'm going the 
other direction). Even testing braking and turning grip on sections where 
spinning car tires nearly turned it into ice, tires remains very grippy.

Coming back up that pass revealed I'd had a grand tailwind heading down, as 
I got to hunker down and crank my way into a 40 mph headwind with gusts 
upward from there. No sideways skipping from the tires in this, which also 
impressed me.

I love these types of rides. The kind that take 3 times as long both 
directions because of weather. The kind that require stupidity to do, and 
endurance to complete. That's just fun. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 5:06:22 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I just put these Racing Ralphs on my Hunqapillar as winter wear for snow 
> of all flavors (but too deep to ride). The Thunder Burts do amazingly well, 
> but loose it a bit at speed in the sloppy and champaign and hardpack. 
> Racing Ralph being a highly supple and knobbier tire, at $20 a pop, seems 
> worth it. 
> http://www.jensonusa.com/Schwalbe-Racing-Ralph-29-Tire-No-PCKG-21-Performance
>
> For those of you who don’t go studded tires yet ride the snow, what do you 
> find works best for you? My basic three criteria are:
>
> — supple as possible maximized grip (this eliminated Smart Sams for me, 
> once I discovered suppler tires)
> — wide as practicable maximizes steering and float
> — knobby as possible yet with a relatively smooth riding center.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] FS: Brooks Swift brown - used not abused - $85 shipped

[Belopsky]

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[George Schick]

Bill - I noticed from your photo of the Rosco that it's one of the first 
frame designs that Grant came up with that has a cross-piece welded in just 
above the front derailleur, presumably to facilitate carrying the bike 
while walking or running.  Did you select this particular model specially 
for your commute, to carry it on board the BART trains?  Very nice 
build-up, BTW, and as others have posted, I like that color, too.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 6:24:38 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Steve asked about bike security at BART stations
>
> I think you asked because you think I'm going to park my new bike at BART, 
> which is the opposite of the use-case.  People park a bike at BART for one 
> of two reasons:  
>
> 1.  I drive to BART.  BART to destination station.  Unlock parked bike and 
> ride it to work
> 2.  I bike to BART and park my bike.  I BART to destination station.  I 
> walk to work.  
>
> Neither of those is my use-case.  My use case is:  Ride from front door to 
> BART.  BART to Union City Station.  Ride to office.  
>
> To answer your question which does not apply to me, bike security varies 
> station to station.  Some stations have nice lockers you can pay for.  Some 
> have crappy lockers you can pay for.  Some have supervised free bike 
> parking inside the station.  Some have nothing useful.  I've never once 
> parked a bike at BART.  
>
> My office has nice bike lockers.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[Ray Varella]

I purchased some of the first run 650 x 32B Cypres and they were white 
label/wire bead. 
The green label/folding bead has a different composition. 
It was either the rubber compound or casing being changed to reduce rolling 
resistance, I don't recall which but the Hetres debuted around that time so I 
never revisited the 32s. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue 61 Rambouillet

[lum gim fong]

I have a Rambouillet and it is flexier and easier to pedal down the road 
and uphills than my Bleriot and Sam.

Especially feels easier going uphill. So these are really nice riding 
bikes. I love the blue color, too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Daniel Jackson]

Dear Bob,

I transitioned from a Krampus to my Plus. The similarity between the two 
ends at the 29+ platform. The Plus is a mature, well thought out design 
with geometry optimized for the large footprint; the Krampus is a 29er with 
a yoke designed to clear 3" tires - nothing more. Where the Plus is fast 
and extremely nimble, the Krampus is downright sloppy. And the Plus riding 
position is exceptional compared to the Krampus, allowing the rider to be 
far more comfortable in technical terrain without suspension. Yes, 3" tires 
certainly help, but front end geometry dictates how trail forces translate 
to the rider - the Plus has this dialed. 

Best,
Daniel

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 12:42:57 PM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> I wish I could get my mitts on a Jones Plus for a test ride! I love my 
> new-to-me Krampus, but I can't help but feel like the Jones is my grail 
> bike. I keep hearing and reading that it essentially defies categorization 
> in all the right ways. I also hear that it's fantastic for long rides, on 
> or off road. Daniel's report definitely seems to lend some backbone to all 
> of the praise.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Daniel Jackson]

Hi Geeter,

Unsure of what you mean here by "hold up to the Hunq as a commuter." I 
could see you might mean:

1. Handle luggage - I disagree. The Jones definitely handles several types 
of loads with applomb and, because of its front end geometry, I beloeve 
actually handles a front load better than the Hunq.

2. Durability? - I disagree. The Jones has never failed me in any 
substantial mechanical way. 

3. Speed/Efficiency - again, I disagree. A recent BQ review actually showed 
the Jones 29er shod with Super Motos to be equally as fast as the groups 
more typical light tubed racing/rando frames. As a commuter with the right 
tires and the EBB setup to provide adequate BB height, I think the Jones 
would be a stellar commuter. Stable, fast, great riding position for 
navigating traffic, and super maneuverable. 

Best,
D.

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:18:26 AM UTC-5, Geeter wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback thus far.  My one issue with the Jones is that I 
> don't believe it will hold up to the Hunq as a commuter.  As an all day 
> riding bike on mixed terrain, without technical riding, I suppose they each 
> have their advantages.
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 2:00:43 PM UTC-6, Geeter wrote:
>>
>> Just curious if anyone on the board has a Jones 29er or Plus and a Hunq? 
>>  Overlap aside, just wondering thoughts and comparisons between the two.  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Jones and Hunq

[Daniel Jackson]

Dear Ash,

I use a Yepp Mini for the kid and a Pass and Stow with Swift INdustries and 
Porcelain Rocket baggage - as seen here 
 in the 
aforementioned CA trip last year. There are other photos in that album of 
the Hunq setup. 

Interestingly, on a high trail bike like a Rivendell, the combination of 
load behind *and* in front of the steering axis works really well both at 
low and high speed. Without the toddler, the front load seen in the above 
photos is harder to manage - certainly doable, but not as smooth as on my 
low trail machines. 

Best,
Daniel

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:30:17 PM UTC-5, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> >>  I visited the area last Spring with my Hunqapillar, and it was great 
> fun to ride it fully loaded with a toddler on the front on the singletrack 
> around Mt. Tam. 
>
>
> What's your arrangement for the toddler?  Something like the iBert mounted 
> on the top tube?
>
> Your family trip style is quite inspiring.  
>
> -Ash
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016, Daniel Jackson  > wrote:
>
>> Dear Geeter,
>>
>> I have a Plus and a Hunq. I love both machines.
>>
>> The Jones is a far more capable machine overall on a variety of terrain. 
>> Rider placement, positioning and responsiveness place it in a different 
>> category than the Hunqapillar. Despite its extraordinary wheelbase and 
>> extremely large wheels and tires, the ride is anything but cumbersome. I 
>> can climb far better on the Jones than the Hunq, make the bike slide 
>> without touching brakes, yet track on technical singetrack and always get 
>> it to go where I'd like. All this with a relatively relaxed position that 
>> can be pulled into a tuck on the Jones' bars when needed. Match this with 
>> large rotors up front on a super stiff wide based fork, and you get 
>> stopping power like I haven't experienced on any other machine. The Hunq, 
>> too, offers a supremely comfortable riding position, but it doesn't climb 
>> nearly as well, and low speed handling suffers relative to the Jones. 
>>
>> So when considering off road riding, I take the Jones every time. I think 
>> it important to note that Grant designed the Hunq in the California hills. 
>> I visited the area last Spring with my Hunqapillar, and it was great fun to 
>> ride it fully loaded with a toddler on the front on the singletrack around 
>> Mt. Tam. The smooth trails in the hills of California are a far cry from 
>> the wet, rooted, deep woods of Northern Vermont that I call home. Riding 
>> the Hunq at home offroad is a chore. 
>>
>> For me in Vermont, the Hunq is primarily a dirt road tourer for my 2 year 
>> old son and I on our bimonthly family 4 day tours. I carry 25-30 lbs. of 
>> gear and the kid so that my wife can enjoy her ride by our side. These 
>> trips follow the dirt roads through quaint little towns around our home 
>> where we ride through cow fields, stop at breweries, make coffee, and sleep 
>> outside. The lugs of the Hunq shine here, the twine just fits, and the 
>> beautiful green blends with the surrounding Green Mountains. The Hunq 
>> descends these windy roads with aplomb. Solid and stable; never a hiccup. I 
>> get a sense that Grant had these rides in mind when he designed the Hunq. 
>> And I know that Jeff had VTs more hardcore rooted trails, steeps, and jumps 
>> in mind when he designed the plus. 
>>
>> If one had to choose one or the other, be sure to consider key 
>> differences in component choices (discs vs. canti, eccentric bottom 
>> bracket, thru axles, boost spacing, etc.) as well as riding intention. 
>>
>> Hope this helps. Happy to answer more specific questions about each bike 
>> if you have them.
>>
>> Best,
>> Daniel in Vermont's Great Northeast Kingdom
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 3:00:43 PM UTC-5, Geeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Just curious if anyone on the board has a Jones 29er or Plus and a 
>>> Hunq?  Overlap aside, just wondering thoughts and comparisons between the 
>>> two.  
>>>
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[RBW] FS - new Acorn bag

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Forgive the cross-post. I have a new unused Acorn Medium / Large Saddle Bag 
in Khaki for sale as seen here:
https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-large-saddlebag?variant=1113865760
I just purchased it, but decided to go with a rando bag instead. If you 
missed the recent release of the khaki bags, I will sell for $105, plus $12 
shipping. Contact me off-list.
Paul in Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

[M D Smith]

Andrew asked:

"... can anyone point to good examples of super dark frames (black, or deepest 
green, say) that had both cream head tubes AND cream seat tubes?" 

To which I reply:

I've always liked this bike, back from my days on the iBOB list.  It's maroon, 
so maybe not as dark as you are thinking, but a real stunner:



Cherrs- Mike in Bklyn, NY

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Matt B.]

I completely agree Patrick. The QB can transform a grown man into a kid on 
a BMX bike in the woods.  40/16 is a great gear for getting around and even 
stretching your legs on longer rides, but when you get to the woods taking 
a few seconds to "digital" shift down to 32/22 or 40/22 puts you right in 
the sweet spot for bumpy roller coaster trails.  


On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 10:26:01 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Ha! There is a sweet-spot which few bikes hit between the simplicity of 
> single speed and the reality that three speeds open up riding on anything 
> that is ridable. For me, the Quickbeam hits that sweet-spot and has invited 
> and challenged and encouraged and coached me to becoming a better, 
> stronger, more flexible rider.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Single speeds are cool but seems like most people add gears to them.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Kai Vierstra]

I used to have the 40x32 up front with a 16x19 in back, and on my 
Brooklyn/Westchester/Brooklyn commute I switched out of 40x16 once, promptly 
switching back. So I ditched the 32 and have an unused 19 on my W.I. Dos 
freewheel. So, in my experience pedaling the Quickbeam around NYC, having too 
many options just complicated things. You'll be surprised what you can do with 
the single speed on a climb, not being able to shift/second guess where you're 
at, just pedaling, purely.
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Ted asked about the front rack on my new build

There's a rack guy in Portland who goes by the business name Haulin Colin. A 
list member had Colin build him this rack custom, but then he decided he was 
going in another direction.  I had owned a Haulin Colin full porteur rack and 
was super happy with it, so I was pleased to pick this up. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Ted asked about the front rack on my new build

There's a rack guy in Portland who goes by the business name Haulin Colin. A 
list member had Colin build him this rack custom, but then he decided he was 
going in another direction.  I had owned a Haulin Colin full porteur rack and 
was super happy with it, so I was pleased to pick this up. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

[lum gim fong]

@ Patrique:

Easy to mold it around the ears! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/18/2016 11:30 AM, lum gim fong wrote:

@ Steve:
It is a green label 32mm 650b Cypress.
At one point, GB redid some of their tires and made the models better 
after BQ testing input.

I think these improved Cyprii might be part of this.



Yes, I do recall that.  All the Cypres tires I've seen have been green 
label, all 700C and all folding bead.


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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[ted]

Very nice. Pray tell, where is the front rack from?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[lum gim fong]

@ Steve:
It is a green label 32mm 650b Cypress.
At one point, GB redid some of their tires and made the models better after 
BQ testing input.
I think these improved Cyprii might be part of this.


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/18/2016 10:57 AM, Bruce Herbitter wrote:

Okay, I'll take them.

Steve: I had a set of wire bead cypress a few years ago.




Inspired by this comment, I went searching and found a listing for a 
white label Grand Bois 650b Cypres steel bead tire at the 
cyclesgrandbois.com site.  I've never seen the Cypres 650B tire in real 
life, and haven't paid any attention to that size so I'm not surprised I 
overlooked them.  AFAIK the 700C Cypres tire, the one I've used since 
2008, has only ever been available here as a folding tire.


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[Bruce Herbitter]

Okay, I'll take them.

Steve: I had a set of wire bead cypress a few years ago.  

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[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

[lum gim fong]

And you dont have to add gears to a single speed down there!! So you can do 
some true single speeding!

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Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

[Deacon Patrick]

You wear baked honey, nuts, spices, and phyllo dough on your head? That's a 
unique approach to staying warm and blocking wind! Not to mention mid-ride 
fueling needs. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick, who takes a balaclava in his panniers "just in case"

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> Baklava and cycling helmet. Helmet blocks wind.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! There is a sweet-spot which few bikes hit between the simplicity of 
single speed and the reality that three speeds open up riding on anything 
that is ridable. For me, the Quickbeam hits that sweet-spot and has invited 
and challenged and encouraged and coached me to becoming a better, 
stronger, more flexible rider.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Single speeds are cool but seems like most people add gears to them.

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[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

[Les Lammers]

Living near the Everglade is SW Florida makes it hard to relate to this 
post. We need body armor to keep the insects at bay. :-)

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:43:43 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Minus five, with the winter clothing details finally coming together in 
> the little details. What a blast! 
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/winter-ramble 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

[lum gim fong]

Baklava and cycling helmet. Helmet blocks wind.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[lum gim fong]

Single speeds are cool but seems like most people add gears to them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Les Lammers]

Very nice Bill! I wonder if we will be seeing more 'different' designs from 
Riv? 

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:54:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The build is pretty much done now, including fenders, lighting and 
> tape/twine/shellac.  
>
> ALBUM of Rosco 
> 
>
> It turned out very nicely.  I need to bolt a Dutch Taillight to the rear 
> fender.  I also pre-ordered a big handlebar bag from Ocean Air, the 
> Docena.  When that comes in, I'm going to do a version of a decaleur 
> utilizing Nitto Accessory Mounts.  I should be able to take it out tomorrow 
> and press it into commuting duty right away.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:27:41 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a 
>> Pearl 11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list 
>> is something like this:
>>
>> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
>> Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON 
>> Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
>>   Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
>> Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T 
>> tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
>>   SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
>> Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500 
>> brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
>> Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp, 
>> Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack
>>
>> There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a 
>> little closer
>>
>> PHOTO  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Alan Lavine]

Thanks to all for the good info.  I will be using a 126 mm FW wheel,not flip 
flop, and wanted some gear choices while avoiding the usual derailers and 6 spd 
FW. Will probably go with a single chainring and dingle in the back. I don’t 
ride off road so its sufficient to have a mid 60” for the city and climbs, and 
low to mid 70” for go fast.
Thanks again!

Alan
NYC
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Alan,
> 
> I have 32/40 front, 16/19 rear. I only run the high (outside) and low 
> (inside) combinations. To Patrick of the Moors' question on why Grant went 
> with front rather than rear for the difference, I can only speculate that 
> dual cogs may not have been readily available at the time? The upshot for me 
> is that I can maximize the spread and achieve roughly the same high low 
> ratios (with my 22t cog on the flip hub) as a IGH 3-speed, all within the 
> range of the 8-tooth spread the rear dropouts allow. My high gear has a 
> combined 56t, my low gear has 51, so with a spread of only 5t I have a gear 
> inches spread from 40ish to 70ish. Not bad range for a single speed. Grin. 
> See Sheldon's gear calculator chart attached.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:26:47 PM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
> Forgot to ask: what size chainrings and cogs do you use?
> 
> Alan
> 
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 3:06:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Photos and drippings of ooze for one of my two favorite bicycles! 
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings/ 
>  
> 
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
> 
> www.OurHolyConception.org  
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org  
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[Deacon Patrick]

Alan,

I have 32/40 front, 16/19 rear. I only run the high (outside) and low 
(inside) combinations. To Patrick of the Moors' question on why Grant went 
with front rather than rear for the difference, I can only speculate that 
dual cogs may not have been readily available at the time? The upshot for 
me is that I can maximize the spread and achieve roughly the same high low 
ratios (with my 22t cog on the flip hub) as a IGH 3-speed, all within the 
range of the 8-tooth spread the rear dropouts allow. My high gear has a 
combined 56t, my low gear has 51, so with a spread of only 5t I have a gear 
inches spread from 40ish to 70ish. Not bad range for a single speed. Grin. 
See Sheldon's gear calculator chart attached.




With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:26:47 PM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Forgot to ask: what size chainrings and cogs do you use?
>
> Alan
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 3:06:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Photos and drippings of ooze for one of my two favorite bicycles! 
>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings/ 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[lum gim fong]

Yes, it is a folding tire.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[Steve Palincsar]

I'm not aware of any wire-bead Grand Bois tires.


On 12/18/2016 06:09 AM, Fullylugged wrote:

Fabric bead?



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Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, I have used Ear Bags for years for rides below 40F. Much below 32 I 
add a thin balaclava.
http://sprigs.com/earbags/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAhNnCBRCqkP6bvOjz_IwBEiQAMn_TMWvzt87OR2ayRj7-QT4mhgmprIlRUQumpi8RCTWJZUgaAn9I8P8HAQ

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Matt Beecher]

Ugh!  That is a nice looking frame and bike.  I've been trying to fight the 
urge to get one.  I really don't need it.

-Matt B.

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[RBW] In search of David Smith of Murfreesboro

[MartyG]

David are you out there? Send me a note if you get this message. I'd like 
to talk about the Bombadil you bought from me a few years ago. 

Marty

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Grand Bois Cypres tire set

[Fullylugged]

Fabric bead?

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