Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[panog]

Thank you.

An issue with metal fenders could be the so called "folding-up" when sticks 
caught by the tire are pushed up under the fender as the tire rotates 
forward. This could result in the fender "folding-over" at the crown, 
abruptly stopping the motion of the bike and causing the rider to go over 
the handlebars. The SKS fenders, that RBW advocates, use safety release 
tabs where the fender stays connect to the dropouts. These are designed to 
release and free the fender so it does not get squished under the crown.
Very valid concern, specially with deep tread tires that tend to pick stuff 
as they roll. My use is predominantly paved roads and smooth tread tires so 
the chances for this happening are significantly reduced, I hope.

 
On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 12:36:36 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> A truly beautiful bike. Congratulations. And a slap on the back to Grant 
> for confirming that Riv is not in the "retro recreation scene."
>
> Curious: What does Grant have against VO or perhaps just metal fenders?
>
> More photos, please, as you build it up and ride it, and your impressions 
> of the ride. I know that my Riv road bikes define fit and handling for me.
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:30 PM, panog 
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes, the frameset does show features that may be viewed as non-Riv 
>> typical. After filling out the order forms, these features included, Grant 
>> was kind enough to entertain me in several hour-long telephone discussions 
>> pertaining to the intended use of the bike, handling characteristics, etc. 
>> I distinctly recall him emphatically mentioning that RBW is not in the 
>> retro recreation scene. Neither was this my intention. I wanted a 
>> Rivendell, with the performance features Riv's are known for and with a few 
>> amenities that make sense for my use.
>>
>> Following with the features list Bill posted:
>> 1.  *Seatstay pump peg:* During my daily commute I have to carry the 
>> bike up a few steps. I do that holding it by the top tube. The typical pump 
>> install under the TT would interfere with this. Same reason for going with 
>> the internal brake cable TT routing instead of the CX routing version which 
>> I am not aesthetically fond off.
>> 2.  *Frenchie chainstay slap guard:*  I typically use the self-adhesive 
>> VO leather guard. Every six months or so I usually peel it off and replace 
>> it when it gets too dirty as I often ride in the rain. Glue remnants left 
>> behind need scrubbing with thinner to be removed. The rubber chainslap 
>> guard, suspended over the CS, will alleviate that.
>> 3.  *Under the fork crown fender boss:* I think it makes installation of 
>> fenders without using a L angle easier.  
>> 4.  *Dynamo wire guides:*  I think it makes for a neater installation of 
>> the wiring and allows easier/quicker removal of the wire (without having to 
>> cut-off too many zip ties) when a non dynamo-hub wheel is used. 
>>
>> BTW, Mark Nobilette did ask if I would have preferred the SL dropouts for 
>> totally hidden wiring but I opted out because I have several non 
>> connector-less hub wheels and need to be able to use them from bike to bike 
>> if need be.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Jeremy Till]

Wow, that geometry sounds perfect (and would fit me great).  Please do post 
pictures when you get it built up!

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:03:11 PM UTC-8, panog wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your kind words! Mark sent me a few pics yesterday and 
> although I have not seen the bike in person yet, it looks from the pics 
> well balanced and every bit how I envisioned it.
>
> The bike has been in the making for about 18 months now; the first six in 
> my mind, trying to justify the "one more bike?" thing and the remaining 
> twelve in the making. An untold number of emails with Grant and Mark has 
> taken place during the design phase to crystallize the direction the design 
> was to follow. Grant, to his credit, often mentioned the similarities with 
> the AHH  but to me a Grant custom design, brazed by Nobillette and painted 
> by Joe Bell is the "perfect storm" I wanted to get caught in. Mark Abele 
> has been and continues to be extremely helpful, instrumental and patient 
> with my never ending avalanche of questions working out all the details. 
> Dealing with Joe Bell has been exemplary. His attention to detail goes 
> beyond paint lines. The fellow simply cares too much for what he does. The 
> first time the phone rung at 10:00pm EST I was surprised; the third time I 
> had gotten used to it. This journey has been a wonderful experience and was 
> as important to me as arriving at the destination.
>
> Frame stats:
> Size 62.8
> Seat angle 72, head angle 72
> Rake 50mm
> HT length 206.1mm
> TT eff 61.6cm
> TT upslope 2.5 deg
> CS length 47cm
> BB drop 80mm
> 700c, 135mm OLD, clearance for 42mm tires plus fenders
>
> Paint:
> Richard Sachs 2013 Saffron with HOK DP-18 Cinnamon Pearl
>
> Build:
> DA 9-speed bar ends
> TA Specialities Carmina 110/74 46/36/26
> Phil BB
> XT front and rear deraileurs, long cage rear
> 11-32 XT 
> Origin 8 Classique sport road brake levers
> Paul's braze-on Racers
> CK headset
> Nitto NP stem
> Nitto S83 seat post
> Brooks B17 select (1st time trying this, if not agreeable then the 
> Berthoud Aspin goes back on)
> Albastache (1st time on these as well, if not agreeable then back to drops)
> Schmidt Son28 dyno hub with Edelux II
>
> I build my own wheels and the set chosen for the bike uses H+Son TB14 
> polished 36h rims laced on WI MI5 hub with 14/15/14 ga Sapim Race spokes 
> arranged 3x for the rear. Front is also 36h due to the narrower flange 
> offset of the Son28. I normally use brass nipples but for this set I went 
> with the Sapim orange Polyax to carry over the frame color.
>
> Tires are the Compass 700cx35, tubed. These are the tires expected to be 
> on most of the time with a possible move-up to 38's for dirt trails. The 
> bike is set for up to 42's with fenders.
>
> Fenders will be the VO 50mm Snakeskin. I had to arm wrestle with Grant on 
> this; he does not know about the metal fenders yet unless Mark spilled the 
> beans so don't tell him!. I'll put these on myself when I get the bike 
> because I have the wheels waiting here.
>
> The bike will start its tenure as my daily commuter (thus the Albastache) 
> and then we will go from there.
>
> Excuse the very long post and thank you again for your kind words.
>
> Pano
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
>> the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>>
>> WANT!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[panog]

Reply to the question about the tubing used:

Discussed with Grant what the intended purpose of the bike is and trusted 
him to do his thing. He did use what he called the Riv standard; 28.6 for 
the TT and ST, 31.8 for the DT. 

Frame geo stats on a prior post.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:40:37 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Very beautiful.  Is there any info about the tubing specs and the frame 
> geometry?  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Patrick Moore]

A truly beautiful bike. Congratulations. And a slap on the back to Grant
for confirming that Riv is not in the "retro recreation scene."

Curious: What does Grant have against VO or perhaps just metal fenders?

More photos, please, as you build it up and ride it, and your impressions
of the ride. I know that my Riv road bikes define fit and handling for me.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:30 PM, panog  wrote:

> Yes, the frameset does show features that may be viewed as non-Riv
> typical. After filling out the order forms, these features included, Grant
> was kind enough to entertain me in several hour-long telephone discussions
> pertaining to the intended use of the bike, handling characteristics, etc.
> I distinctly recall him emphatically mentioning that RBW is not in the
> retro recreation scene. Neither was this my intention. I wanted a
> Rivendell, with the performance features Riv's are known for and with a few
> amenities that make sense for my use.
>
> Following with the features list Bill posted:
> 1.  *Seatstay pump peg:* During my daily commute I have to carry the bike
> up a few steps. I do that holding it by the top tube. The typical pump
> install under the TT would interfere with this. Same reason for going with
> the internal brake cable TT routing instead of the CX routing version which
> I am not aesthetically fond off.
> 2.  *Frenchie chainstay slap guard:*  I typically use the self-adhesive
> VO leather guard. Every six months or so I usually peel it off and replace
> it when it gets too dirty as I often ride in the rain. Glue remnants left
> behind need scrubbing with thinner to be removed. The rubber chainslap
> guard, suspended over the CS, will alleviate that.
> 3.  *Under the fork crown fender boss:* I think it makes installation of
> fenders without using a L angle easier.
> 4.  *Dynamo wire guides:*  I think it makes for a neater installation of
> the wiring and allows easier/quicker removal of the wire (without having to
> cut-off too many zip ties) when a non dynamo-hub wheel is used.
>
> BTW, Mark Nobilette did ask if I would have preferred the SL dropouts for
> totally hidden wiring but I opted out because I have several non
> connector-less hub wheels and need to be able to use them from bike to bike
> if need be.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[panog]

Yes, the frameset does show features that may be viewed as non-Riv typical. 
After filling out the order forms, these features included, Grant was kind 
enough to entertain me in several hour-long telephone discussions 
pertaining to the intended use of the bike, handling characteristics, etc. 
I distinctly recall him emphatically mentioning that RBW is not in the 
retro recreation scene. Neither was this my intention. I wanted a 
Rivendell, with the performance features Riv's are known for and with a few 
amenities that make sense for my use.

Following with the features list Bill posted:
1.  *Seatstay pump peg:* During my daily commute I have to carry the bike 
up a few steps. I do that holding it by the top tube. The typical pump 
install under the TT would interfere with this. Same reason for going with 
the internal brake cable TT routing instead of the CX routing version which 
I am not aesthetically fond off.
2.  *Frenchie chainstay slap guard:*  I typically use the self-adhesive VO 
leather guard. Every six months or so I usually peel it off and replace it 
when it gets too dirty as I often ride in the rain. Glue remnants left 
behind need scrubbing with thinner to be removed. The rubber chainslap 
guard, suspended over the CS, will alleviate that.
3.  *Under the fork crown fender boss:* I think it makes installation of 
fenders without using a L angle easier.  
4.  *Dynamo wire guides:*  I think it makes for a neater installation of 
the wiring and allows easier/quicker removal of the wire (without having to 
cut-off too many zip ties) when a non dynamo-hub wheel is used. 

BTW, Mark Nobilette did ask if I would have preferred the SL dropouts for 
totally hidden wiring but I opted out because I have several non 
connector-less hub wheels and need to be able to use them from bike to bike 
if need be.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:11:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Doug and Eric expressed surprise that Grant allowed internal brake cable 
> routing.  
>
>
> In exactly the same category, this frameset is notable for four other 
> eyebrow-raising details:
>
> 1.  seatstay pump peg.  I don't think I've ever seen a Rivendell with one
> 2.  frenchie chainstay slap guard.  I don't think I've ever seen a 
> Rivendell with one
> 3.  under the fork crown fender boss.  Something that several people think 
> Rivendell should be doing on 100% of their bikes.  Production or custom.  
> 4.  dynamo wire guides.  I don't think I've ever seen a Rivendell with 
> them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[dougP]

Marc:

FWIW, Adventure Cyclist, the magazine of the Adventure Cycling Association, 
got several Rivendell models to test.  Note that touring is what ACA is all 
about, and they see a lot of bikes.  Long story made short, ACA employees 
bought both the Sam and the Joe after testing & living with them.  There's 
a recent thread on this forum about one of the reviews, available on-line, 
and the other one can probably be found on their website as well.  Pretty 
good endorsement, although it doesn't help you choosing, I realize.  I 
think in either case you can't go wrong for your intended use.  

dougP

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 1:15:15 PM UTC-8, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B&B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks to all for your responses.  Upright bars make sense for me. Ray, I 
will ride the  Kenda Kwik Bitumens on the complete build for awhile and 
more than likely move up to at least 50s. As I mentioned earlier, I was 
leaning toward the Appaloosa. This discussion has helped confirm this as 
the best choice for my needs. I appreciate the input very much. Big help.
-Marc

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B&B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Clayton.sf]

Amen.

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[panog]

Thank you all for your kind words! Mark sent me a few pics yesterday and 
although I have not seen the bike in person yet, it looks from the pics 
well balanced and every bit how I envisioned it.

The bike has been in the making for about 18 months now; the first six in 
my mind, trying to justify the "one more bike?" thing and the remaining 
twelve in the making. An untold number of emails with Grant and Mark has 
taken place during the design phase to crystallize the direction the design 
was to follow. Grant, to his credit, often mentioned the similarities with 
the AHH  but to me a Grant custom design, brazed by Nobillette and painted 
by Joe Bell is the "perfect storm" I wanted to get caught in. Mark Abele 
has been and continues to be extremely helpful, instrumental and patient 
with my never ending avalanche of questions working out all the details. 
Dealing with Joe Bell has been exemplary. His attention to detail goes 
beyond paint lines. The fellow simply cares too much for what he does. The 
first time the phone rung at 10:00pm EST I was surprised; the third time I 
had gotten used to it. This journey has been a wonderful experience and was 
as important to me as arriving at the destination.

Frame stats:
Size 62.8
Seat angle 72, head angle 72
Rake 50mm
HT length 206.1mm
TT eff 61.6cm
TT upslope 2.5 deg
CS length 47cm
BB drop 80mm
700c, 135mm OLD, clearance for 42mm tires plus fenders

Paint:
Richard Sachs 2013 Saffron with HOK DP-18 Cinnamon Pearl

Build:
DA 9-speed bar ends
TA Specialities Carmina 110/74 46/36/26
Phil BB
XT front and rear deraileurs, long cage rear
11-32 XT 
Origin 8 Classique sport road brake levers
Paul's braze-on Racers
CK headset
Nitto NP stem
Nitto S83 seat post
Brooks B17 select (1st time trying this, if not agreeable then the Berthoud 
Aspin goes back on)
Albastache (1st time on these as well, if not agreeable then back to drops)
Schmidt Son28 dyno hub with Edelux II

I build my own wheels and the set chosen for the bike uses H+Son TB14 
polished 36h rims laced on WI MI5 hub with 14/15/14 ga Sapim Race spokes 
arranged 3x for the rear. Front is also 36h due to the narrower flange 
offset of the Son28. I normally use brass nipples but for this set I went 
with the Sapim orange Polyax to carry over the frame color.

Tires are the Compass 700cx35, tubed. These are the tires expected to be on 
most of the time with a possible move-up to 38's for dirt trails. The bike 
is set for up to 42's with fenders.

Fenders will be the VO 50mm Snakeskin. I had to arm wrestle with Grant on 
this; he does not know about the metal fenders yet unless Mark spilled the 
beans so don't tell him!. I'll put these on myself when I get the bike 
because I have the wheels waiting here.

The bike will start its tenure as my daily commuter (thus the Albastache) 
and then we will go from there.

Excuse the very long post and thank you again for your kind words.

Pano


On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
> the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>
> WANT!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Joe Bernard]

I don't think Waterford or Rivendell would tell you two months if there was a 
possibility of eight. Nobody is going to plop money down for a production frame 
and wait eight months, that's approaching Riv Custom territory. If they say 
two, I'd spot 'em another month. 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have experience using Bosco bars?

[Joe Bernard]

John, the "hood position" is right at the top front where the the bar starts 
curving down towards the flat section that flanks the stem. It's kinda useless 
if you're using mtb grips and above bar shifters; the demo I rode at RBW had 
cloth tape for grips and no obstacles in front of them. 

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Keith Muller]

I am personal friends with Pano, and I will say he is a man of details.  This 
frame is beautiful.  He has some beautiful bikes in his collection, but his 
seams eager to get his new bike.  After seeing the photo set of this frame, I 
now know why!  I am jealous of his new pony!

Keith

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Patrick, the other side of the Paul hub has two different diameter 
threadings..is that for a fixed cog? 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Patrick Moore]

Very neat indeed! 39X17 gives you a 62" gear, assuming a more or less 27"
wheel; should be able to do most of your riding in that, once you get used
to climbing without granny gears --- you'll surprise yourself how easy it
is. I have resisted installing the very nice AM hub on my gofast because it
would involve adding a rear brake -- weird, I know, but I do want to keep
it very simple. The AM would fit your Conncinity, but I ain't selling!

Patrick Moore, who missed a *$185.00 + $10 shipping SA TF hub the other
day, dammit!*

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Patrick: That's not my fender line..Bike Flights packed it that way and I
> only installed the front. The short answer to how I remove the rear wheel
> is..I guess I'll find out eventually! Longer: The rods slide into those
> rod-receiver-thingys, which clamp down on the rods when the bolts are
> snugged. My first attempt would be to loosen the clamps and bend the fender
> back to pop the wheel out. If that turns out to be a headache for a flat
> fix, I'll ditch the fenders; I'm not absolutely committed to fenders.
>
> Gearing is 39-17, which I'll let you do your gear-inch thing for. I
> brought the bike to the care home I work/live at during the week, so I
> won't be climbing my monster hill with it. The spacing is 120, so it won't
> fit that 3-speed we discussed, plus I'm not going to need gears here. I'm
> kinda digging the simple, light vibe with this one with all the Paul
> goodies sprinkled about. Everything else I own is either multispeed or
> electric or both, and none of them qualify as particularly light by modern
> standards.
>
> Yes, I believe the toptube tape was there to block the flared dropbar it
> came with. I'm not normally a fan of wrapping toptubes, but Nate did a
> lovely job with it and the Paul levers are in range of that tube, too, so
> I'm keeping it. Neat bike, eh?
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Clarifying, it's still hilly where I have the bike so my poor outta shape legs 
are gonna get a workout, I just don't have to climb the Mini Mt. Diablo up to 
my apartment. Yay!

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[RBW] Re: front rack recommendations

[Ash A]

It's gem of bike you've got there Bin!



On Friday, 3 February 2017 17:02:10 UTC-8, Bin Chen wrote:
>
> Another vote for the Soma Porteur Rack.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 9:11:48 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> im finding myself overloading my nitto m-18+basket regularly, and it is 
>> wiggling and bending more than i approve of. i think id like to replace it 
>> with a non-mini rack. looking around, there seem to be way more options 
>> than i thought there would be, especially with so many porteur style racks 
>> now .So im wondering if its possible to compile a semi comprehensive list 
>> of front racks that fullfill this criteria.
>>
>> -attach to the dropout eyelets
>> -clear 700x50 tires
>> -have an adequate platform for a basket
>> -are steel and silver
>> -are not super big/overbuilt/loaded touring style racks.
>>
>> pannier rails are not needed, but neednt be avoided either. 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan: It's the color that really sucked me in. I call it Petty Blue, which 
NASCAR folks will recognize, and I've always wanted a bike with it. It's 
gorgeous!

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick: That's not my fender line..Bike Flights packed it that way and I only 
installed the front. The short answer to how I remove the rear wheel is..I 
guess I'll find out eventually! Longer: The rods slide into those 
rod-receiver-thingys, which clamp down on the rods when the bolts are snugged. 
My first attempt would be to loosen the clamps and bend the fender back to pop 
the wheel out. If that turns out to be a headache for a flat fix, I'll ditch 
the fenders; I'm not absolutely committed to fenders.

Gearing is 39-17, which I'll let you do your gear-inch thing for. I brought the 
bike to the care home I work/live at during the week, so I won't be climbing my 
monster hill with it. The spacing is 120, so it won't fit that 3-speed we 
discussed, plus I'm not going to need gears here. I'm kinda digging the simple, 
light vibe with this one with all the Paul goodies sprinkled about. Everything 
else I own is either multispeed or electric or both, and none of them qualify 
as particularly light by modern standards. 

Yes, I believe the toptube tape was there to block the flared dropbar it came 
with. I'm not normally a fan of wrapping toptubes, but Nate did a lovely job 
with it and the Paul levers are in range of that tube, too, so I'm keeping it. 
Neat bike, eh?

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Ray Varella]

Marc,
   How large of a tire do you want to ride?
The Appaloosa will take a considerably larger tire. 
There are lots of choices these days in high quality tires in really fat sizes. 
There is very little handicap in running 55mm tires and they really make a bike 
more versatile. 
They are both very evolved bikes tailored to the style of riding the folks at 
Riv enjoy, you can't go wrong either way, just carefully consider the tire size 
you will use the most. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No no no! Like a high trail bike climbing at 4 mph, my egg boil method veers 
wildly from Will@Riv's advice in the email that came today. Never drop a cold 
egg into boiling water unless you want it to crack and bleed whites into the 
water. Now my method is modified by living at 5000 feet. But I place cold eggs 
in cold water then add heat. When boiling starts I time for 4 minutes for soft 
boiled eggs that look similar to the egg in the email. Seven minutes firms the 
yoke but not into the 'hard boiled' category. At the end of the 4-7 minutes, I 
come back into Riv agreement with an ice bath. 

Joe "who has eaten about 5000 eggs since I went low(er) carb in August 2011 and 
only my HDL cholesterol numbers are higher" Ramey

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Ryan Fleming]

nice bike and nice colour...even though I bet I'll be lovin the the lush 
mixte with.gasp   indexed (but has friction option) shifting, I'll 
still be riding my old PX-10 singlespeed...which is not nearly as nice as 
yours is  just because I like the simplicity of a singlespeed. That is a 
nice bike; they seem to  do nice work and tigged bikes are artful too. I 
like it

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:14:11 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:31:24 PM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> > curious...what is your new to you singlespeed if I might ask
> > 
> > On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:03:57 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:Sure, 
> Pudge, I'd like to see them. You can send to joeremi62 at Gmail dot com if 
> you'd like. Thanks!
>
> Hi Ryan, it's a Concinnity cyclocross bike I found on internet-bob. Steel, 
> TIGed by Luke Devine in Massachusetts. H trained under Mike Flanigan of ANT 
> Bike, who now welds for Seven..I believe Seven is Devine's day job, too. 
>
> It's kind of silly for me to buy another singlespeed after a the moaning 
> I've done about the hills around here, but it was too pretty at too good a 
> price to pass up. I've been riding electric assist lately, so I've decided 
> this will be my "don't turn completely lazy" bike ;-)
>
> Here's a lousy indoor pic..I'm still in the middle of attaching brakes 
> after swapping the drops for upright, and the custom front porteur rack 
> still needs to be mounted. 
>
> http://www.concinnitycycleworks.com
>
>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Patrick Moore]

And how do you get the rear wheel out?

And: is the tape on the top tube to protect against a formerly installed
drop bar?

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Very nice, and it looks as if you achieved a good rear fender line despite
> the tight space.
>
> What is the (initial, I know) gearing?
>
> Let us know how it rides.
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Ryan, it's a Concinnity cyclocross bike I found on internet-bob.
>> Steel, TIGed by Luke Devine in Massachusetts. H trained under Mike Flanigan
>> of ANT Bike, who now welds for Seven..I believe Seven is Devine's day job,
>> too.
>>
>> It's kind of silly for me to buy another singlespeed after a the moaning
>> I've done about the hills around here, but it was too pretty at too good a
>> price to pass up. I've been riding electric assist lately, so I've decided
>> this will be my "don't turn completely lazy" bike ;-)
>>
>> Here's a lousy indoor pic..I'm still in the middle of attaching brakes
>> after swapping the drops for upright, and the custom front porteur rack
>> still needs to be mounted.
>>
>> http://www.concinnitycycleworks.com
>>
>>


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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Patrick Moore]

Very nice, and it looks as if you achieved a good rear fender line despite
the tight space.

What is the (initial, I know) gearing?

Let us know how it rides.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

>
> Hi Ryan, it's a Concinnity cyclocross bike I found on internet-bob. Steel,
> TIGed by Luke Devine in Massachusetts. H trained under Mike Flanigan of ANT
> Bike, who now welds for Seven..I believe Seven is Devine's day job, too.
>
> It's kind of silly for me to buy another singlespeed after a the moaning
> I've done about the hills around here, but it was too pretty at too good a
> price to pass up. I've been riding electric assist lately, so I've decided
> this will be my "don't turn completely lazy" bike ;-)
>
> Here's a lousy indoor pic..I'm still in the middle of attaching brakes
> after swapping the drops for upright, and the custom front porteur rack
> still needs to be mounted.
>
> http://www.concinnitycycleworks.com
>
>

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[RBW] Re: front rack recommendations

[Bin Chen]

Another vote for the Soma Porteur Rack.




On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 9:11:48 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> im finding myself overloading my nitto m-18+basket regularly, and it is 
> wiggling and bending more than i approve of. i think id like to replace it 
> with a non-mini rack. looking around, there seem to be way more options 
> than i thought there would be, especially with so many porteur style racks 
> now .So im wondering if its possible to compile a semi comprehensive list 
> of front racks that fullfill this criteria.
>
> -attach to the dropout eyelets
> -clear 700x50 tires
> -have an adequate platform for a basket
> -are steel and silver
> -are not super big/overbuilt/loaded touring style racks.
>
> pannier rails are not needed, but neednt be avoided either. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Andrew Huston]

What has been the typical time from the order to delivery of Waterford made 
Atlantis or Hunqapillar?  I called Waterford and was told at least 8 weeks, 
which isn't too bad but I feel like it could be a bit longer, maybe a lot 
longer. I was also informed they are waiting for chainstays to complete current 
orders so that would likely put up a bit of a delay as well. It's winter here 
in MI so I have some time, I'd just hate to have wait until September. Also, 
has anyone opted for alternate color choices and what has the cost been, if you 
are willing to share. Many thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr standover?

[iamkeith]

For what it's worth, I'm in exactly the same situation on the next size up. 
 I'm 6'-2", which is supposed to be right in the middle of fit range for 
the 59, but the standover is too high for how I wanted to use it too.  In 
my case, which is probably like you,  that was as a casual, around-town, 
curb-hopping, light trail  and rough roads bike.  But I pretty much hit 
bone standing on level ground.   As it is however, I like the bike so much 
that I've just found other ways to use it.  It works surprisingly well as a 
fastish, smooth roads and bike path cruiser. If I even had a half-inch of 
clearance from my pubic bone, I'd be ecstatic and wouldn't hesitate to use 
it anywhere I wanted.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:05:08 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> thanks for the measurement. might be a bit big for the type of riding i 
> was planning, will have to think of something else!
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 11:45:47 AM UTC-5, Mike Packard wrote:
>>
>> Just measured mine on the stock tires from (Kenda Kwik Seven-5 27.5 x 
>> 1.75) and the brocure is spot on at 31.5 in standover.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 9:25:52 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>> Brochure shows it:
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzo7-V-zcAdRNjFld2JBLVUzY3M/view
>>
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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Ryan Fleming]

when I bought my first 2 rivs , they sent you a diagram with frame angles 
and tube specs... I think  they may have been  scans of Grant's design 
 drawings with shorthand for the tubing. I didn't get something like that 
this time. I thought the info was kind of neat and interesting and I don't 
know when or why they stopped doing that

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:40:37 PM UTC-6, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Very beautiful.  Is there any info about the tubing specs and the frame 
> geometry?  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[George Schick]

Groan.  Every time something like this comes along it's in a frame size 
about twice too big for me.  It's a beauty all right - kinda reminds me of 
some of those frames Waterford makes.  Wait! OTOH, maybe it's a good thing 
that it's too big or else I'd be trying to add yet another bike to my 
collection (spousal approval = negative).

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 5:17:26 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
> the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>
> WANT!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[John Hawrylak]

Very beautiful.  Is there any info about the tubing specs and the frame 
geometry?  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Fred Craven]

Wait, WHAT? internal brake cable routing?

She is a beauty.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Ryan Fleming]

curious...what is your new to you singlespeed if I might ask

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> Sure, Pudge, I'd like to see them. You can send to joeremi62 at Gmail dot 
> com if you'd like. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Ryan Fleming]

I think that may be true especially if you are willing to pop for more than 
the 3.5K base price of a  custom frame. In my case, I just paid the base 
price...so Joe, I think you're absolutely right. How much more , I expect , 
depends on effort. Anyway, it's a stunning bike and I'm glad we get to see 
these customs

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:20:37 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Wow..that's impressive! I wonder if the custom limits are more in 
> Nobilette's hands now, i.e., "If you can do it and it still looks and rides 
> like a Rivendell with my/Grant's geometry and philosophy, knock yourself 
> out."

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Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Joe Bernard]

Wow..that's impressive! I wonder if the custom limits are more in Nobilette's 
hands now, i.e., "If you can do it and it still looks and rides like a 
Rivendell with my/Grant's geometry and philosophy, knock yourself out."

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Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Bill Lindsay]

Doug and Eric expressed surprise that Grant allowed internal brake cable 
routing.  


In exactly the same category, this frameset is notable for four other 
eyebrow-raising details:

1.  seatstay pump peg.  I don't think I've ever seen a Rivendell with one
2.  frenchie chainstay slap guard.  I don't think I've ever seen a 
Rivendell with one
3.  under the fork crown fender boss.  Something that several people think 
Rivendell should be doing on 100% of their bikes.  Production or custom.  
4.  dynamo wire guides.  I don't think I've ever seen a Rivendell with 
them.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Christopher Cote]

Thanks!


On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:25:50 AM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> It seems to have been a loose headset.  I followed Steve's advice, found 
> that it seemed a little floppy, tightened it up, and it runs fine.
> Kevin
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kevin, I know this is an old thread, but did you ever figure out what 
>> the problem was?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 5:15:19 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Not yet.  I'll probably take it to one of the local shops (the "Bicycle 
>>> Pro Shop" on Duke Street in Alexandria has some great bike techs) and see 
>>> if they can localize the problem.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 3:59:12 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 Have you serviced the headset yet?

 On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:

 Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
 pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
 heading out.
 It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a 
 quick glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning 
 to stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want 
 to risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight 
 though it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit 
 hairy.
 Kevin

 On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: 
>
> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still 
> look 
> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 





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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[drew]

i think either of the bikes is totally adequate for what you plan to do 
with it, in terms of loads and off road riding. never ridden a joe, but i 
have a sam and a hunq and for argument's sake ill pretend the hunq is a lot 
like a joe. i think what ed said about drop bars is really important. 
ive had albatross, map/ahearne, and albastache bars on the hunq that all 
felt pretty good. my drop bar experiment on the hunq, i didnt like. 
conversely, the sam always felt too upright, too squished with albatross 
bars, but it feels perfect with drops at or a little above saddle height. 
 i believe that the joe may be made for swept back bars even more than the 
hunq is. 






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Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Doug Van Cleve]

That was my thought, I am pretty sure there was a day when GP would have
nixed internal cable routing.  Looks like a fancy Rambouillet!

Doug

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> Interesting that Grant agreed to do internal brake cable routing. I didn't
> this this was something Riv supported (I work on my bikes too much, I hate
> internal routine)
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is
>> the one I would be most likely to copy.
>>
>> WANT!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Eric Daume]

Interesting that Grant agreed to do internal brake cable routing. I didn't
this this was something Riv supported (I work on my bikes too much, I hate
internal routine)

On Friday, February 3, 2017, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is
> the one I would be most likely to copy.
>
> WANT!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[sameness]

Is pretty much perfect, all the way down to the color.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta and Jeff, thanks very much for the mention of Gravel & Grind. 
Unfortunately they are several hours away from my location. Should I find 
myself in the Frederick vicinity I will definitely stop in. Roberta, happy 
hunting.


On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-5, Roberta Chase wrote:
>
> Marc,
>
> From where you're planning to ride, can I assume you're in PA or 
> MD?  Gravel and Grind in Frederick, MD is a dealer and fairly close.  I 
> took a 3 hour trip to visit them.  They have a dozen bikes built up to test 
> and will let you ride them all day long on local trails.  Ask for James.  
> (I still haven't pulled the trigger.)
>
> Roberta
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Ed Carolipio]

I was making a similar choice a couple of months ago and ended up with an 
Appaloosa - having ridden neither and mostly from reading what folks posted 
in this group.

Deciding factors for me were (1) I was never going to use drop bars and (2) 
I'd always have at least a light load, i.e. the front/rear racks don't come 
off. (I don't think the Appa was designed with drop bars in mind.) Options 
the Appa has over the Hillborne (which I haven't taken advantage of but 
influenced my decision) were the ability to haul heavier loads and to run 
55 mm tires.

On the chain stays I can't tell if the length help with stability relative 
to other bikes but I no longer worry about heel strikes even with a smaller 
(51cm) frame.

One final note: the Appa is a blast to ride - spritely when unloaded, super 
stable when loaded.

--Ed 

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Ryan Fleming]

on the other hand I am very happy with how my mixte turned out and looking 
forward to riding it in the spring. 

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 5:22:47 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> it's a beauty, eh?
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 5:17:26 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
>> the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>>
>> WANT!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Les Lammers]

I'm 64 and have a Chevoit with the long chainstays that keep your heels 
away from rear bags. Very comfortable ride and it does not feel 'slow'.  

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B&B stays.* I am an older 
> guy (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration.* In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Ryan Fleming]

it's a beauty, eh?

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 5:17:26 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
> the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>
> WANT!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Roberta Chase]

Marc,

>From where you're planning to ride, can I assume you're in PA or 
MD?  Gravel and Grind in Frederick, MD is a dealer and fairly close.  I 
took a 3 hour trip to visit them.  They have a dozen bikes built up to test 
and will let you ride them all day long on local trails.  Ask for James.  
(I still haven't pulled the trigger.)

Roberta


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[RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Bill Lindsay]

Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
the one I would be most likely to copy.  

WANT!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

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On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B&B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>

Thanks very much for the helpful comments. I realize that there's no bad 
choice here. Both great bikes. I had definitely been leaning toward the 
Appaloosa and these comments have reinforced my feeling that it is the way 
to go. I am a relative newcomer to this group and I must say how much I 
appreciate the knowledgeable advice and the welcoming tone.
-Marc

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Philip Kim]

i've owned a sam, and only test ridden a joe. the joe felt like a fairly 
fast cruiser to me, and the same felt more like a sport touring bike-more 
nimble but still stable.

if i had to choose between both, i'd go appaloosa - tire clearance, 
canti/v-brake posts/and longer top tube to put an upright bar on it and 
enjoy the breeze

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B&B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Eric Floden]

I don't own either but seem to recall one of them (forgot which) had an
upper limit of 215 pounds.  No longer see it listed though . . . if that is
a factor maybe investigate further?

Eric
Vancouver
where it is snowing like mad

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Ryan Fleming]

I haven't ridden either of these bikes (they both sound appealing) but I 
believe one of the distinguishing characteristics is the chainstay length ; 
the App has longer chainstays and therefore longer wheelbase which accounts 
for the  plusher ride. But.don't take my word for it. I'm sure if you 
give the nice people at Riv a call, they will be happy to explain the 
difference...or someone like Bill Lindsay , who I believe has owned and 
ridden both can explain as well

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 3:15:15 PM UTC-6, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B&B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Ash A]

Marc,

Couple of months ago I went to Riv to test ride Sam.  Loved the bike, 
didn't like the orange color.  Couple of weeks later went back to take 
another look.  The more I looked at it, I started liking the orange :) 
 However, after riding both Sam and Joe for an hour each, I decided to 
order a Joe.  

Sam was more nimble, but Joe felt more comfortable.  Joe has a longer chain 
stay.  This means you're sitting closer to the center of the bike on Joe.   
This's probably the reason it felt more comfier.  On Sam (though it is not 
as bad as most non-Riv road bike and MTBs out there) you are sitting closer 
to the rear axle- so you feel bumps slightly more.  Much like how you get 
tosses slightly more if you ride in the back seat of a car.

Joe is slightly heavier.  Maybe by a pound.  That's not a huge factor for 
my use (commuting and occasional touring).

Another way to look at them: think of Sam as Mazda6 and Joe as Mazda CX5. 
 Both are fun automobiles.  One is slightly faster and nimbler and the 
other is slightly more comfortable and has more utility.

I felt that both these bikes are more fun and comfortable than all my other 
bikes (1 steel MTB, 1 aluminum MTB, 2 steel road bikes).  

Joe also has an interesting fork.  At the 'shoulder' of the fork there 
extra braze-ons.  I felt like those might come handy for one purpose or the 
other.
 
I'm waiting for the green frame to arrive.  I'll have a more detailed 
review in a month.  

Cheers,

-Ash

PS: The Allegheny Passage trail should be a lovely experience.  I was 
planning for it  when I lived in Maryland.  I moved to left coast before it 
materialized (didn't have the right bike at that time).  Definitely going 
back one day with the Appaloosa to ride Pittsburg to DC.  

On Friday, 3 February 2017 13:15:15 UTC-8, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B&B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Jeffrey B]

Hi Marc,

If you are in the DC area, Gravel and Grind is in Frederick, MD and they 
might have something in stock for you to try. 

Jeff

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B&B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

The Appaloosa is specifically marketed as a touring/light-trail bike, so you 
may want to lean that way for camping. I own one and haven't ridden a Sam, so I 
can't do that comparison for you. All I can say is I ride pavement only with 
light loads, and I couldn't ask for a nicer road bike. I'm 54 and kind of a 
cruiser, so I can't speak for true roadies who like to hammer, but I think it 
would match your pace well. It's very stable with a slight "spring" in its 
gate,  like it wants to keep going, yet feels very maneuverable without being 
twitchy. I'm an HUGE fan of this Riv, and I've owned a bunch of them. Grant 
really nailed it this time. 

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding between 
an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your input; 
particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes.  90%+ of 
my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over occasionally 
bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, specifically doing the 
Great Allegheny Passage and C&O Canal this Spring. I will likely do this 
with a mix of camping and B&B stays. I am an older guy (pushing seventy). 
Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading previous posts I have 
noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of ease on the 
Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that perception could 
you characterize that more fully? I also understand that the Sam is a more 
"spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how would you 
describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences relatively 
subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. I am more 
than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present there are 
no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in the wild 
in my neck of the woods. 
Thanks,
Marc


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[RBW] Re: Self assembling bike video

[Wayne Naha]

Very fun video.  I enjoyed it immensely.  More detail than I expected.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 1:33:32 PM UTC-5, M D Smith wrote:
>
> A friend of mine just showed me this great video and I thought I'd share 
> it here.  It was posted a year ago, it seems, so sorry if this is old news. 
>  But in case you missed it:
>
> https://vimeo.com/137011379
>
> I like the sounds the parts make... hubs sound like Jawas!   Interesting 
> seeing a coaster brake and the chrome fork crown "sleeve" is neat.  Dunlop 
> valves!  And I've never seen cotters go in so easily...
>
>
> Cheers- Mike
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAWLANDS PORTEUR RACK INSTALLED ON CHEVIOT

[Jon Dukeman]

Daniel,
THanks..I don't think you will have any problems.
There was some one who mentioned he had a problem using side pull brakes.
I am thrilled since I have been looking for a rack that fits.
Jon

"FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS RIDE JUNK "

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Daniel Betancourt 
wrote:

> Nice! I was looking at a rack similar to that for my Sam.
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 6:45:33 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central
> Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Installed the Rawlands rack on my Cheviot that has a front Dia Comp 750
>> center pull brake and P50 fenders.
>> Rack Load Rated @ 10kg or 22lbs.
>> There is about the thickness of a human hair between the rack mount and
>> head set.Plenty of room for brake. Works great!
>> Wald basket decisions to be made soon.
>> Jon
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have experience using Bosco bars?

[Zed Martinez]

I have come to love mine. I have the widest ones they sell on a 52cm Clem 
using a 100mm stem, and the grips are perfect for me. I had some initial 
problems, part of which were trying to use them like I did north roads and 
albstaches and I quickly found out that wasn't going to work. I couldn't 
set them at the same heights or angles I used for those, and I had to blank 
the slate of my mind and just set them up raw by feel. The other was I was 
using some more torpedo shaped grips and in some grips they were subtly 
killing my wrists, I switch to some cylindrical ESI chunkies and haven't 
had a single issue since. Part of why I like the cylindrical grips is for 
me part of the appeal of the Boscos is the small adjustments I can make in 
grip in the 'main' grip area, and the constant grips mean I can rest the 
heel of my palm anywhere through that section without forcing it into bad 
angles. Once I got over those humps and got everything dialed in, I found 
it was pretty comfy. The main position is very upright but still not quite 
'dutch,' I'm leaning forward a little and can tilt my pelvis like I would 
on a more aggressive bike. I have a few inches of roam for my hands within 
that position, and then the drop/bends just past the brake levers gives me 
a second position with my back more angled. Sometimes I ride that position 
just holding the bars, but I found some Dia Compe grip knobs based on a 
setup I saw here and put there to use rather like the hoods on a drop bar 
and I ride on those more often. And then the last unique grip is the 
controversial one on the flat by the stem. With the widest bars and as far 
away as they are, I actually find that wide enough. Sometimes I'd prefer a 
bit wider, but it's not a big deal. I put some cross levers down on mine to 
solve the long reach back to the brakes conundrum. I find this position 
good when I'm boogying and carrying most of my weight with my legs. It does 
get uncomfortable fast if I'm going at a more casual clip and I'll bail 
back up to the bends. And then, if you get the bars adjusted right there's 
a sorta fourth position where you rest your elbows on the main grips and 
lean in like you would for the close grip, but you don't really need to put 
weight on your hands at all. I usually cross mine over the stem and just 
let them rest. I find it hard to really put much force behind my legs while 
riding like this, but definitely use it for some short stretches if I hit a 
wicked head wind or need a breather after too much spirited boogying. 

So, obvious love for them now aside, I did find they required a lot of 
persnicketiness in adjustment for my to really 'get' them and not have 
wrist problems. Once it sorta clicked for me how I wanted them to fit to 
really use them though, they've been great. They are big and long, so, a 
lot of my happiness with them might be because the Clem was made for them. 
My Clem has an effective top tube of 61cm, and I'm not quite but almost 
burying my stem rather than having it way up (so, not closing the distance 
as much as I could be using the slack head tube angle). And even though the 
Hunq also has a long TT, it's still no Clem and on a Hunq my size I'd 
probably need at least a 110mm stem instead to start gauging my fit on. I 
can see how on a normalish frame it could be very hard to actually get a 
stem long enough for Boscos, and a lot of issues people have with them 
being too close by a lot. And all of that is with the caveat that I've 
always preferred slightly close bars, and used to ride my hybrids a size 
down to get them there. So, YMMV but I am pretty much a convert now and 
never expected to be as they were the Riv bars I liked the look and idea of 
the least on paper. In practice though, well, they've earned their keep for 
me anyway.

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 10:09:32 AM UTC-5, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> Thinking of putting Bosco handlebars on my hunq and want to hear what your 
> experience using them has been like. 
>
> Cheers! 
>

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[RBW] Self assembling bike video

[M D Smith]

A friend of mine just showed me this great video and I thought I'd share it 
here.  It was posted a year ago, it seems, so sorry if this is old news.  But 
in case you missed it:

https://vimeo.com/137011379

I like the sounds the parts make... hubs sound like Jawas!   Interesting seeing 
a coaster brake and the chrome fork crown "sleeve" is neat.  Dunlop valves!  
And I've never seen cotters go in so easily...


Cheers- Mike

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Lift-a-Tube!

[Wayne Naha]

That *is* a swank tube

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 11:45:59 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> have to say, thats a better looking lift-a-tube
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have experience using Bosco bars?

[John McClusky]

I bought them for a Soma mtn bike when I was having some rotator cuff 
problems. 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/21588225663/in/dateposted-public/
Although they enabled me to keep riding by alleviating the shoulder 
pressure, I couldn't sell them fast enough when I was feeling better.  I 
didn't like the body position and how far back they came.  I also could not 
find that second hand position everyone talks about.  If it was down in the 
lower portion, that was too close to the stem for what I would consider 
comfortable control.  This is only my opinion because I love Albastache 
bars.  My wife loved the Boscos because she only likes riding bikes with a 
very upright position.  She hated that bike until I put the Boscos on.

John

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:53:26 AM UTC-8, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> Thanks ya'll. It's difficult to make these (insignificant) decisions in 
> the vacuum of webpages, photos and measurements, without getting to 
> actually get a feel in person. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. 
>
> Cheers and happy riding! 
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 8:09:32 AM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
>>
>> Thinking of putting Bosco handlebars on my hunq and want to hear what 
>> your experience using them has been like. 
>>
>> Cheers! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Lift-a-Tube!

[sameness]

I got a Japanese randonneur and sportif bike book for Christmas, was 
surprised to see that quite a few of them have that same lift-a-ma-jig. 

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr standover?

[Philip Kim]

thanks for the measurement. might be a bit big for the type of riding i was 
planning, will have to think of something else!

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 11:45:47 AM UTC-5, Mike Packard wrote:
>
> Just measured mine on the stock tires from (Kenda Kwik Seven-5 27.5 x 
> 1.75) and the brocure is spot on at 31.5 in standover.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 9:25:52 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Brochure shows it:
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzo7-V-zcAdRNjFld2JBLVUzY3M/view
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr standover?

[Mike Packard]

Just measured mine on the stock tires from (Kenda Kwik Seven-5 27.5 x 1.75) 
and the brocure is spot on at 31.5 in standover.



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>
> Brochure shows it:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzo7-V-zcAdRNjFld2JBLVUzY3M/view

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Lift-a-Tube!

[drew]

have to say, thats a better looking lift-a-tube


>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam Coleman Green 56cm

[ctifusion]

Congrats. I would't even consider selling mine for double that.


On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 4:00:54 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Congrats for being fast on the trigger! You got an amazing deal on an 
> amazing bike. Enjoy!

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[RBW] Re: Roadini headbadge

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Could it simply be a play on "*el*" as in "the" Roadini?

On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 2:17:02 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>
>
> leo, i think.
>
> sky in new west
>
> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:02:45 AM UTC-8, Drivel wrote:
>>
>> I'm definitely interested in this frame as well. Wonder what the L. 
>> stands for...
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: RAWLANDS PORTEUR RACK INSTALLED ON CHEVIOT

[Daniel Betancourt]

Nice! I was looking at a rack similar to that for my Sam.

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 6:45:33 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> Installed the Rawlands rack on my Cheviot that has a front Dia Comp 750 
> center pull brake and P50 fenders.
> Rack Load Rated @ 10kg or 22lbs.
> There is about the thickness of a human hair between the rack mount and 
> head set.Plenty of room for brake. Works great!
> Wald basket decisions to be made soon.
> Jon
>

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[RBW] Vintage Lift-a-Tube!

[David Banzer]

Saw this nice Alps frame with lift-a-tube!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Alps-Rover-Camping-Frame-Toei-Randonneur-Touring/192084639501

David
Chicago, IL

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Joe Bernard]

I mentioned tire pressure. They were fine, his headset was loose. 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have experience using Bosco bars?

[Max Bergen]

Thanks ya'll. It's difficult to make these (insignificant) decisions in the 
vacuum of webpages, photos and measurements, without getting to actually 
get a feel in person. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. 

Cheers and happy riding! 

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 8:09:32 AM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
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> Thinking of putting Bosco handlebars on my hunq and want to hear what your 
> experience using them has been like. 
>
> Cheers! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Chromerails]

No one else seems to have mentioned tire pressure, but when my front tire 
is low, I get that wandering feeling you describe. And I admit to not being 
as particular as I used to be about that. Too simple?


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[RBW] Re: Anyone have experience using Bosco bars?

[Marc Irwin]

I love 'em. I ordered them for my Sam when they were new.  Used them for a 
year and got the bullmoose version  to replace the drops on my Hunq. 
 Having the huge range of body positions makes long trips much more 
enjoyable and less work.
http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2012/06/rivendells-bosco-bars.html

Marc

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> Thinking of putting Bosco handlebars on my hunq and want to hear what your 
> experience using them has been like. 
>
> Cheers! 
>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Sure, Pudge, I'd like to see them. You can send to joeremi62 at Gmail dot com 
if you'd like. Thanks!

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[RBW] FS: Gray TRESSOSTAR handlebar tape

[Jock Dewey]

Hey ~ Oh:

(Cross-posted to BOB)

I've got 9 rolls of new Gray Tressostar handlebarI don't need. Thick, rich, 
very nice stuff.

$30 bucks shipped and you get it all. Paypal.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

It seems to have been a loose headset.  I followed Steve's advice, found 
that it seemed a little floppy, tightened it up, and it runs fine.
Kevin

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin, I know this is an old thread, but did you ever figure out what 
> the problem was?
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 5:15:19 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>
>> Not yet.  I'll probably take it to one of the local shops (the "Bicycle 
>> Pro Shop" on Duke Street in Alexandria has some great bike techs) and see 
>> if they can localize the problem.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 3:59:12 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you serviced the headset yet?
>>>
>>> On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
>>> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
>>> heading out.
>>> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
>>> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
>>> stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
>>> risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
>>> it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: 

 This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
 air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
 the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
 rideable until it's almost completely flat. 
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I have a Clem takeoff and several other pairs of plastic pedals, Joe.  I can 
post pics for you when I get back home in a couple of hours

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> On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Does anybody have take-offs from a complete CLEM or Appaloosa build? I just 
> bought some VP Gripsters from RBW for my new-to-me singlespeed, and would 
> like to try the similar design plastic cheapies on another bike (Riv doesn't 
> sell them separately).
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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