Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Christopher Murray]

One of the most surprising things about doing bicycle tours is seeing the bikes 
others are touring on. So few people are on anything even resembling a proper 
touring bike. I've seen quite a few sub-$100 bikes headed one way or another 
across our great country. And everyone seems to be having a great time. 

I wouldn't hesitate to tour on any Riv- including/especially a Cheviot. Go ride 
your bike, have a blast, fix things if they break (they probably won't). 

And post lots of pictures for us to share!

Cheers! 
Chris

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Sam Hillborne

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Will.  Too big for me, but I want to ask how you like Boscos on the Sam. 
 I have a 60cm green V1 Sam that feels just a little big for me despite a 
70cm stem extension, and am considering upright bars to mitigate that. 
 I've used drop bars all my life, so can't extrapolate my experience very 
well to high bars like the Bosco.  Thanks.

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 8:10:51 PM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Hey y'all, 
>
> I've reluctantly decided to part with my 62cm Black and Cream Sam. My wife 
> and I live in a small, one bedroom apartment, and having a big bike in the 
> hallway has been irking both of us since I got it. Here's a list of 
> everything you'll want to know about the bike;
>
> Sugino Triple Cranks
> Shimano Deore derailers
> VP Vice pedals
> Shimano Dura Ace bar ends
> 58cm Boscos
> Nitto stem
> Velocity Atlas rims 
> Soma Cazadero gumwall tires (about 150 miles)
> Nitto Campee 27f front rack
> Wald 137
> Green Carradice Kendal panniers (nearly new condition)
> Tan Acorn saddlebag (beausage galore)
> Carradice Bagman support
> Zefal frame pump
> King Cage bottle cages
> Tektro brakes
> Crane bell
>
> I'm asking $2400 obo. More photos upon request. Please don't hesitate to 
> let me know if I've forgotten anything, or if you have any questions.
>
> Will Ashe
> Santa Monica, CA
>
> p.s. I'll be replacing this with a Brompton, for now...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Salsa Cowchippers, Continental tires & SRAM 10 speed components

[Bruce Smitham]

Salsa Cowchippers are sold

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 6:44:16 PM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> This is the last of the bike items that I no longer need. Prices do not 
> include shipping CONUS. 
>
> SALSA Cowchipper handlebars 46cm wide, 31.8 clamp mounted but never used. 
> Only scuffs near the clamp area $45
> SRAM X7 GXP 10 speed double crankset 175mm arms 42/28 rings in great 
> condition with less than 60 miles $75
> SRAM PG 1070 10 speed Cassette 11-36T in great condition with less than 60 
> miles $35
> SRAM X7 2 x 10 front derailleur in excellent condition with less than 60 
> miles. Top pull $20
> CONTINENTAL Comfort Contact tires 26" x 1.5" in excellent condition both 
> for $30
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Sam Hillborne

[Will Ashe]

Ugh, I know. I've had a bike rack and it didn't help at all. 


On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 5:45:48 PM UTC-8, scott wrote:
>
> Don't do it! My wife and I live in a small one bedroom and I built a 2x4 
> double decker bike holder that keeps 4 bikes. All situations are different, 
> but a wall mount can do wonders. It may be worth the security deposit hit 
> to put some holes in the wall to avoid the regret of selling a crazy great 
> bicycle! Take this all knowing I'm half jesting. Good luck. Love the black 
> and cream!

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[RBW] FS: 62cm Sam Hillborne

[scott]

Don't do it! My wife and I live in a small one bedroom and I built a 2x4 double 
decker bike holder that keeps 4 bikes. All situations are different, but a wall 
mount can do wonders. It may be worth the security deposit hit to put some 
holes in the wall to avoid the regret of selling a crazy great bicycle! Take 
this all knowing I'm half jesting. Good luck. Love the black and cream!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Ray Varella]

I've had a couple bikes that I used clamp on water bottle cages on. 
They used to come with clamps that looked very similar to cable guide clamps 
but had a little dimple instead of a channel. 

I used them from the early 70s up through the late 90s. 
They were the only thing I used when frames lacked water bottle braze-ons and I 
used them to supplement a bike that only had one set of h2o bosses. 
I ever had an issue with them moving and if you put a thin layer of tape under 
them, they won't mar your finish. 


Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Wayne Naha]

Takashi,
Those are some gorgeous photographs!  Looks like everyone had a great time.

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 6:59:27 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
> A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
> https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Les Lammers]

I have one of these for my Chevoit,  
https://www.topeak.com/global/en/products/accessories/332-cagemount 
 
On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 7:58:35 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>
>
>
> On 02/24/2017 10:27 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> FWIW, I tried a 2-fish, velcro, strap-on cage on the down tube of my '99 
> Joe Starck custom gofast, for which I had foolishly told Grant to limit 
> cage braze ons to the dt. (Grant: you were right, both for the st braze ons 
> and for the sub-73* seat tube angles. But don't tell anyone I acknowledged 
> this.) 
>
> Moving on: it works, after a fashion, but it also swivels at the slightest 
> touch. I found that it would swivel far enough from straight line-ahead 
> that my eagerly pumping legs would brush it, much to my annoyance, as I 
> sturdily rode along.
>
>
> Obviously not an issue for a back-of-the-seat-tube mount, like on my 
> Moulton.
>
>
> As alternative, I tried various bar-mount bottle cage attachment gizmos. 
> They work well -- except that, with Riv geometry, the added weight of a 28 
> oz bottle makes the front wheel flop more than I can comfortably tolerate.
>
> I found a better solution to carrying water was to attach a Carradice -- 
> can't remember the name; it's the smallest one -- to the saddle, and put a 
> quart bottle inside. Even better, I got D Banzer to make me a nice custom 
> seat pack, that attaches elegantly to the rails of my Flite, that has a 
> pocket for a 28oz bottle. Wala.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 02/24/2017 05:57 PM, Austin ^ wrote:
>>
>> imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness is its 
>> solitary bottle cage. 
>>
>>
>> Would the Two Fish strap on water bottle cage help here?   My AM Moulton 
>> has but one water bottle cage, on the front of the seat tube, and I have 
>> one of these two fish units on the back of the seat tube as well.
>>
>>
>> [image: Two Fish The Quick Cage Water Bottle Holder]
>>
>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Continental Traffic tires 26" x 2.1"

[Bruce Smitham]

Conti Traffic Tires are sold

On Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 7:31:50 PM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
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> Continental Traffic tires 26" x 2.1" in excellent to new condition $20 
> each or both for $35 plus shipping CONUS
>
> Thanks,
> Bruce in San Diego
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[dougP]

Click around those photos.  There's a kid wearing a Rivendell cap. Looks 
like a family camping across eastern Oregon.  He's riding a tandem with a 
kid tag-a-long.  2 small kids & plenty of luggage.  Large tent plus all the 
comforts of home.  One shot shows a barn with the name "Shaniko" on it.  
I've ridden around there.  Awesome country.  High desert with trees at the 
higher elevations.  Just the job for Betty, it looks like.  

dougP

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:29:28 AM UTC-8, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Check out this gal on a betty foye.  Fully loaded on a dirt road!!
>
> https://flic.kr/p/wx88uY
> https://flic.kr/p/wP3bEy
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Other Book

[James Warren]

My brother fell in love with riding again shortly after moving to the Santa 
Clara area, and in 2006 the copy of Roads to Ride South I gave him was his main 
guide. He got a LOT of mileage out of it both literally and figuratively. It 
taught him all the best places between San Mateo and Saratoga. Great book, and 
still very useful now. I use it too (and the North one.)

-Jim W.


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> On Feb 25, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Grant Petersen  wrote:
> 
> My current publisher isn't interested, and an agent I know says the internet 
> has made it obsolete. I don't think so. People still hold paper now and then, 
> and it sold well back then and would do better now. When it was current, I 
> had a lot of credit cqrd debt and checking account overdraft charges, and the 
> only lasting thing I bought with the royalties was a Yamaha studio upright 
> piano for my wife, and it's ten feet from me right now. A reprint would take 
> maybe 80 hours to update, and I don't have the time. But the topographies are 
> unchanged, and the brief road descriptions are...in most cases still current, 
> and the 80 hours would go mostly to adding maybe 20 more roads and making 
> sure Road X didn't now intersect another road, or that urban sprawl hadn't 
> completely obliterated all bucolic-ness of some of the nicer roads.
> 
> If I knew somebody trusty and not weird who had time to update it and would 
> do it "to spec, with a short freedome leash" and agree to 25 percent of the 
> royalties, and do the work on speculation with a modest kill fee if it didn't 
> get published, I'd set that ball in motion...but it's a longshot. Mark here 
> should do it. He'd be perfect, but I don't think he'd be interested.
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Max S  wrote:
>> As a Bay Area expat living in the Midwest, still regularly visiting the Bay 
>> Area, I would love to have both tomes. Any chance of a reissue / electronic 
>> version?..
>> 
>> - Max
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Other Book

[Max S]

I recently bought a paper version of "Dirt Road Washtenaw County" and also 
"Switchbacks" in the hopes of doing some trips around the European mountains in 
the future... I'd definitely sign up for a reissue of the Bay Area books. 

Anyone else?.. we can do a GoFundMe thing to raise the money for it!  :-) 

- Max 

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[RBW] Re: Trade Opportunity: Bosco Bullmoose 12deg for 6deg or whatever it is

[adam leibow]

i should also mention that i'm interested in the 58cm wide ones only. 

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> Hello RBW GG, 
>
> I have some of the 12degree downsweep bosco bullmooses that I'd like to 
> trade for the regular downsweep (I think it's 6degree but not sure) ones. 
> Mine are in fine condition - the lower part of them is wrapped with black 
> newbaums for max grippage. Plz text me at (310) 963-6959 if interested. 
>
> I would like to keep it local to avoid shipping this big cumbersome item 
> but if enough time goes by and I can't find the local trade, I suppose I 
> will consider shipping them. 
>
> Happy~Trails,
>
> --Adam
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[RBW] Trade Opportunity: Bosco Bullmoose 12deg for 6deg or whatever it is

[adam leibow]

Hello RBW GG, 

I have some of the 12degree downsweep bosco bullmooses that I'd like to 
trade for the regular downsweep (I think it's 6degree but not sure) ones. 
Mine are in fine condition - the lower part of them is wrapped with black 
newbaums for max grippage. Plz text me at (310) 963-6959 if interested. 

I would like to keep it local to avoid shipping this big cumbersome item 
but if enough time goes by and I can't find the local trade, I suppose I 
will consider shipping them. 

Happy~Trails,

--Adam

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Other Book

[Grant Petersen]

My current publisher isn't interested, and an agent I know says the
internet has made it obsolete. I don't think so. People still hold paper
now and then, and it sold well back then and would do better now. When it
was current, I had a lot of credit cqrd debt and checking account overdraft
charges, and the only lasting thing I bought with the royalties was a
Yamaha studio upright piano for my wife, and it's ten feet from me right
now. A reprint would take maybe 80 hours to update, and I don't have the
time. But the topographies are unchanged, and the brief road descriptions
are...in most cases still current, and the 80 hours would go mostly to
adding maybe 20 more roads and making sure Road X didn't now intersect
another road, or that urban sprawl hadn't completely obliterated all
bucolic-ness of some of the nicer roads.

If I knew somebody trusty and not weird who had time to update it and would
do it "to spec, with a short freedome leash" and agree to 25 percent of the
royalties, and do the work on speculation with a modest kill fee if it
didn't get published, I'd set that ball in motion...but it's a longshot.
Mark here should do it. He'd be perfect, but I don't think he'd be
interested.

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> As a Bay Area expat living in the Midwest, still regularly visiting the
> Bay Area, I would love to have both tomes. Any chance of a reissue /
> electronic version?..
>
> - Max
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[RBW] WTB Paul Thumbies

[Andrew Huston]

Needs are satisfied !  Thanks for the replies. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Other Book

[Max S]

As a Bay Area expat living in the Midwest, still regularly visiting the Bay 
Area, I would love to have both tomes. Any chance of a reissue / electronic 
version?.. 

- Max 

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[RBW] WTB Paul Thumbies

[Ruben Flores]

I am mobile and can't pm. I have a set for shimano. Pm me then I can reply.

Ruben in LA

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Re: [RBW] Trek - Rivendell gene splicing, or DIY Roscoe project

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No, 26" Rat Traps (see ibob for more info. Converting to 650b did not move 
the parameters enough (too high bb, snug standover, something to put my Rat 
Trap Pass tires on).

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 1:02:34 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Very appealing bike, paint and all. What are those tires, and how wide? 
> 650B, right?
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:48 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Kidding, of course, but I did integrate a Rivendell fork with a Trek 750 
>> Multitrack frame. It completes the lugs for the Trek, while at the same 
>> time likely featuring the most uglifying paint job of an RBW fork currently 
>> in existence. If you are interested in more details, I did a much longer 
>> post on iBob.  Here is the link: 
>>
>>
>> *https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest_medium=email#!topic/internet-bob/edFzgTYlc3w
>>  
>> * 
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Scott McLain]

Check out this gal on a betty foye.  Fully loaded on a dirt road!!

https://flic.kr/p/wx88uY
https://flic.kr/p/wP3bEy


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[RBW] For SALE: Rambouillet and parts

[Alex Zeibot]

Hi folks,

For sale is 56cm Rivendell Rambouillet.
It is beausausaged here and there where normally expected, nevertheless it
is in sound and intact condition. No dings or dents, just paint scratches
and blemishes here and there.
NEVER crashed and dropped it.
I'm asking $600 dollars for it.
Link to the pics:   https://goo.gl/photos/4NVaZES4aN5f26WS8

Also, I'm including the parts that I'd like to sell all at once for $500.
If you are interested purchasing both, frame set and the parts, I can sell
everything for $1,000.
FYI - the attached pictures won't do any justice as I didn't have a chance
to clean and polish them.

PLEASE email me directly at veloban...@gmail.com. Thanks!

Here's the list and pics of the parts:
Link to the pics:  https://goo.gl/photos/XbSZ6ZPgDqQ5caVL8

- Nitto Dynamic 90mm stem
- Nitto S83 seat post
- Nitto 105 42cm handlebars
- TRP RRL SR Retro brake levers
- Sugino XD2R crankset (wide/low double), 26/40t, 170mm arms.
- Pair of Tektro R539 caliper brakes
- Campagnolo Chorus front derailleur
- Shimano Ultegra rear derailleur
- Shimano Dura-Ace bar end shifters (10sp)
- Shimano BB-UN55 bottom bracket
- Grand Bois (from Compass) 32 spoke wheel set
- Shimano Deore XT hub set
- Shimano Ultegra 11-28t cassette
- Panaracer Pasela 700x32mm tires

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Leah,
I wonder if your new tires have a taller profile than the old ones and that 
might be causing all the scraping of pebbles and noise from sand and 
gravel scraping the fenders.
My Sam and Cheviot have the same tires. The Sam has P45 fenders and I hear 
pebbles, & sand scraping the fender all the time.The Cheviot has P50 
fenders with more clearance and I rarely hear any scraping of pebbles or 
leaves.
Just a thought.
It might be the stickiness of the rubber throwing sand like others have 
said.
Enjoy your new ride.
Jon

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 11:06:50 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

> Garth, I laughed out loud at the visual created with "sleigh ride down the 
> hillside." Can't tell you why, it was just an apt description and I could 
> feel it. 
>
> I'll stick it out with these tires for awhile. I've got hope after reading 
> that some others had the same and it improved with mileage. 
>
> I'm just so happy to have my bike back. My birthday is this weekend and 
> guess what -mama found a new paved bike trail! This means the rest of my 
> family must not complain about however many miles I decide we should go. 
>
> Patrick - cool photo. A keepsake. All your ideas were good so, naturally 
> I've implemented zero because, well, I don't know anything about that 
> stuff. Including how to fix a flat. *Ducks for cover here.*  
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Feb 24, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Garth  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Get the tires you want Leah ! While the shop owner may think what he put 
> on is swell, but since you're the one that actually rides your bike(along 
> with furry friend), that's about all there is to that. Reminds me of a back 
> seat driver    I once had some Dunlop new auto tires that were 
> supposedly wonderful. on the way home I going down my usual steep hill 
> I was frightened for my life for the first time in my life driving an auto, 
> it felt like the tires were going to come off the rims and I'd be on a 
> sleigh ride down the hillside. Right back to the shop and returned them and 
> have ridden my preferred Michelin tires ever since. You like what you 
> like... 
> > 
> > The Conti tires you had have changed name to the Ride Tour and come in 
> the size you need so have them get some or from some-one. 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[RichS]

Thanks for this link Takashi. Delicious!!! If the images of these three 
Rivs don't get your adrenaline going for an overnighter or a multi-day tour 
then I don't know what will.

Regards,
Richard

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 6:59:27 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
> A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
> https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/
>
> Takashi
>
>
> Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> I was daydreaming the other day, an amazingly glorious day for the 
>> midwest in February, riding my Cheviot.  I could not help but smile as 
>> riding along was the most fun and peaceful thing I had done in awhile.  The 
>> idea that the world would be a much better and happier place if people rode 
>> their bikes more and drove their cars less seemed pretty obvious.
>>
>> Anyway, part of my daydream, sounding outlandish now but not so much 
>> then, was wondering what it would be like to go on a real tour on the 
>> Cheviot.  I searched CGOAB but no journals or reports found.  I also cannot 
>> remember anyone here telling many stories of Cheviot touring or longer 
>> distance travels though I certainly could have missed things.
>>
>> So, just because... Can anyone point me to stories, journals, pictures, 
>> etc. of people touring on a Cheviot or similar bike?  Clem L's 
>> (Clementines) would certainly be in there, and other mixte type of frames. 
>>  It would be interesting to hear of such things, noting either the big 
>> smiles or the wide, possibly concerned, eyes of the riders...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
>> P.S.  I do realize the Cheviot (specifically) does not have the same load 
>> carrying capacity as, say, a Hillborne, Appaloosa, or certainly a 
>> Hunqapillar.  Still, reality must be put aside at times, if just for 
>> awhile.  Can be a long while though... 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

You'd be surprised by how many bikes/customers roll into the shop and 
say..."yeah, I went cross country on this bike"  I look at the bike and 
think man you must have been miserable!!  But instead I say "AWESOME!"

Point being, like many have said, you can do a lot with a little.  The Chev 
platform is highly capable and a lighter tour will be all the more fun.

Someone already suggested it but check out the King Cage universal support 
bolts, they'll stay put.  You also have saddle mount cages and handlebar 
mount cages as an option.  AND I can recall throwing some water bottles in 
my saddle bag or front bag on several S240s because I was too lazy to throw 
on cages before leaving.  I usually stop to drink and take a breather 
anyway, what's the rush, right?  Make sure you share your story once you 
go!  Some of us will be living vicariously through you when we're stuck at 
home base :-)

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 8:33:07 AM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Hello Takashi - and thank you for sending the link!  
>
> Looking over and reading about their trip has been a great way to start my 
> day.  It snowed a bit here overnight but now the sun is shining, the quick 
> change a sure sign  spring is closer than it was.
>
> I really like the way their bikes were set-up, and I certainly enjoyed the 
> beautiful areas they were riding.  I do so need to see an ocean soon...
>
> Out of curiosity, can someone with more knowledge of Nitto racks confirm 
> that the Cheviot in the journal is using a Campee 27f front rack (or 
> possibly an F20, 26" version)?  I really like low rider pannier mounts but 
> I have never thought it very do-able on the Cheviot.  I stand corrected! 
>  It looks perfect.
>
> Thanks again for posting this,
>
> Bob
>
> On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 5:59:27 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
>> A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
>> https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[KC]

It is too bad the Cheviot only has 1 bottle holder but it's not like you need 2 
bottles at once. We headed off this week for a (great) day ride with Doug P and 
his wife Melanie.  Because we left early, I had a huge bottle of coffee tucked 
in with my load on the back and my water bottle on the bike. I'm sure I could 
do the same if loaded up and figure out a 3rd if needed. I too am dreaming of a 
short tour on my Cheviot (bought the tent last year so I have a start). Talk to 
Will at Riv hq. I'm sure he would have some great input.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Garth]

 While I could go on a rant here about selling a "do it all" high end bike 
in the year 2017 with only bottle cage, it is as it is for now and so 
what so if you're gonna have just one cage you may as well maximize 
it's capacity. That's about a 1.5L bottle.  The best one I have seen is the 
BBB XL Fueltank, as it clamps around the top of the bottle, something the 
Topeak one does not.  If you're gonna use that one make sure to strap it 
down.  A bike frame is well suited to carry heavy things like water and 
that's why permanent mounts are so worthwhile.

But again none of that can limit you. I remember touring as a teenager 
with but one "regular" bottle, and that's all there was back thenand I 
didn't think twice about it. I do have fond memories of stopping in a local 
mom & pop store in a tiny Minnesota town and in their solitary sales fridge 
were ice cold *glass bottles* of Gatorade(everything tastes better from a 
glass bottle!!!). damm . . . I can still feel it going down today !  Of 
course I was not riding across vast distances with no services/water, but 
still, when you're a kid going even 20 miles can be pretty darn vast. If I 
had been carrying everything I needed on the bike I would have never 
stopped at that place and had a most memorable drink of my life. so 
there 'ya go.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hello Takashi - and thank you for sending the link!  

Looking over and reading about their trip has been a great way to start my 
day.  It snowed a bit here overnight but now the sun is shining, the quick 
change a sure sign  spring is closer than it was.

I really like the way their bikes were set-up, and I certainly enjoyed the 
beautiful areas they were riding.  I do so need to see an ocean soon...

Out of curiosity, can someone with more knowledge of Nitto racks confirm 
that the Cheviot in the journal is using a Campee 27f front rack (or 
possibly an F20, 26" version)?  I really like low rider pannier mounts but 
I have never thought it very do-able on the Cheviot.  I stand corrected! 
 It looks perfect.

Thanks again for posting this,

Bob

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 5:59:27 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>
> There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
> A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
> https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/24/2017 10:27 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
FWIW, I tried a 2-fish, velcro, strap-on cage on the down tube of my 
'99 Joe Starck custom gofast, for which I had foolishly told Grant to 
limit cage braze ons to the dt. (Grant: you were right, both for the 
st braze ons and for the sub-73* seat tube angles. But don't tell 
anyone I acknowledged this.)


Moving on: it works, after a fashion, but it also swivels at the 
slightest touch. I found that it would swivel far enough from straight 
line-ahead that my eagerly pumping legs would brush it, much to my 
annoyance, as I sturdily rode along.




Obviously not an issue for a back-of-the-seat-tube mount, like on my 
Moulton.



As alternative, I tried various bar-mount bottle cage attachment 
gizmos. They work well -- except that, with Riv geometry, the added 
weight of a 28 oz bottle makes the front wheel flop more than I can 
comfortably tolerate.


I found a better solution to carrying water was to attach a Carradice 
-- can't remember the name; it's the smallest one -- to the saddle, 
and put a quart bottle inside. Even better, I got D Banzer to make me 
a nice custom seat pack, that attaches elegantly to the rails of my 
Flite, that has a pocket for a 28oz bottle. Wala.


On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:




On 02/24/2017 05:57 PM, Austin ^ wrote:

imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness
is its solitary bottle cage.


Would the Two Fish strap on water bottle cage help here? My AM
Moulton has but one water bottle cage, on the front of the seat
tube, and I have one of these two fish units on the back of the
seat tube as well.


Two Fish The Quick Cage Water Bottle Holder




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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Garth]

 Seems like you may be "sticking" with them for awhile indeed!  Curiously, 
the Racer X tires is marketed as a bmx ties (Betty BMXers). The extra 
grippiness is part of the design and the rubber has been "chemically etched" 
just in case enouh needs a little more help. 

http://www.tiogausa.com/bmx_race/products/tires/fastr-x/

But you know. thinking is alright and all, you knowcomparing, measuring 
wondering 'bout this and that and how it could be another this and that as if 
one is really any different than the other. Nothing beats just merrily riding 
along completely "unattached and unconditioned" from/by all that seemed to 
weigh you down. I can find no other words for what I am referring to of course 
but we all know what I mean since it's the most natural thing in all the 
world

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Takashi]

There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/

Takashi


Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I was daydreaming the other day, an amazingly glorious day for the midwest 
> in February, riding my Cheviot.  I could not help but smile as riding along 
> was the most fun and peaceful thing I had done in awhile.  The idea that 
> the world would be a much better and happier place if people rode their 
> bikes more and drove their cars less seemed pretty obvious.
>
> Anyway, part of my daydream, sounding outlandish now but not so much then, 
> was wondering what it would be like to go on a real tour on the Cheviot.  I 
> searched CGOAB but no journals or reports found.  I also cannot remember 
> anyone here telling many stories of Cheviot touring or longer distance 
> travels though I certainly could have missed things.
>
> So, just because... Can anyone point me to stories, journals, pictures, 
> etc. of people touring on a Cheviot or similar bike?  Clem L's 
> (Clementines) would certainly be in there, and other mixte type of frames. 
>  It would be interesting to hear of such things, noting either the big 
> smiles or the wide, possibly concerned, eyes of the riders...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
> P.S.  I do realize the Cheviot (specifically) does not have the same load 
> carrying capacity as, say, a Hillborne, Appaloosa, or certainly a 
> Hunqapillar.  Still, reality must be put aside at times, if just for 
> awhile.  Can be a long while though... 
>

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