[RBW] WTB: rivendell for 77pbh (complete or frame)

[Beibhinn Dooling]

Hello,

I have been lurking this forum for a while and am interested in seeing if 
there is anyone out there thinking of selling their Rivendell. My pbh is 77 
and I would be looking for an Atlantis, Clem L, Cheviot or Sam Hillborne. I 
am currently riding a 60cm Cheviot that I scored for a sweet deal. The 
seatpost is slammed with a 70cm stem/billie bars and while it works, it 
feels so large that I don't have great control at low speeds or in tricky 
off-road situations. It is also in the orange color scheme which I do not 
love as much as Rivendell's other offerings. I am hoping to find a complete 
that I can purchase and then sell my 60cm as a complete shortly afterwards. 
Direct from riv would be ideal but as student currently in nursing school, 
its just not feasible for me right now. 


If anyone reading this has something they would be interested in passing on 
to someone that will cherish it daily, don't hesitate to reach out 
privately with details and a price in mind. 

Thanks all,
Beibhinn Dooling
(located in bay area)

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[RBW] Two Bicycle Belles in NV—2nd Annual Visit

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So happy you Rivendell loving ladies connected.  More of this needs to happen.  
Interesting how something like a parallel bike appreciation reveals enormous 
overlapping values and interests.
Just as you each are blessed and lucky to have a Riv, we are blessed to have 
you both on this list.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Mark's Hub Area Rack with Hoop (MF2)

[dharmabum]

Hi all.

I’m looking for Mark’s Hub Area Rack with the hoop.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/nitto-marks-hub-area-rack-with-hoop-mf2-20236

I've installed but have yet to test the version without hoop. It's the most 
elegant production low rider I've laid eyes on but with only two attachment 
points it seems limited to carrying only the lightest of loads. If anyone 
has experience to share I'd be glad to read it.

With thanks,

Lee in Seattle

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[RBW] Two Bicycle Belles in NV—2nd Annual Visit

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh my word, did we have fun. Do you know how refreshing it is to have coffee 
with someone who knows and loves Rivendell? I feel like it’s just me out here 
in NV, so you might imagine how I look forward to Roberta’s visits. Two Bicycle 
Belles (who were dingalings for not taking nearly enough photos by which to 
remember our day) chatted all the way through lunch! We could have gone through 
dinner had I not needed to rush to school and pick up my sons.

I loved hearing about how Roberta’s Joe rides in comparison to my Clem and 
Betty. We discussed our wish lists and future bikes and upcoming bikes events. 
You really can’t know how much a kinship over a shared love means unless you’ve 
had one - and I finally do! I did wish I had better terrain; I kept making 
apologies for the hills and lack of great bike destinations. Next time we 
should road trip to RBW HQ, Roberta.  

The coffee was good and the company sublime! Thank you for a fantastic visit. 

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Ray Varella]

I use a vintage hand crank Zassenhaus. 
I’ve used it daily for close to 15 years and it was probably 30 years old when 
I bought it. 

For comparison I also have an Olympia burr grinder which is a scaled down 
commercial quality grinder. 

I can give a dozen reasons to choose a manual grinder. 

If you drink a lot of espresso it might be worth having a nice electric grinder 
and if you have issues using both hands to stabilize and grind with a manual 
grinder, you may also benefit from an electric grinder. 

I’ll avoid the whole freezing beans issue. 
I own a commercial coffee roaster and I’m wyyy into the “only drink freshly 
roasted coffee”

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Interesting. How do you shake the roaster and hold the thermometer secure? I’ve 
been surprised how consistant I get it just by sight (color, 
dull/velvety/oily), sound (crack), smell, smoke volume, even feel of the shake. 
Grin. Roasting by feel, kinda like riding by feel (instead of using a computer 
to track mileage, speed, et al). This changes subtly as humidity, temperature, 
and different batches of beans change, so there is a bit of a range that adds 
adventure. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

Solid suggestion Patrick. I have a Zen Roast myself. I couple mine with a 
temperature thermometer gun just to try to achieve as much consistency as 
possible.

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 6:00:20 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In case anyone is daft enough to want to try roasting your own, I 
> recommend the free way to test if you want to do it more than five times 
> (well, free except for buying green beans): a cast iron skillet or dutch 
> oven (high walls make for a bit more even roasting) on medium flame/heat, 
> stir constantly, remove some point after first crack stops and the beans 
> burn. Easy to scorch the beans this way though, so once you know you want 
> to roast regularly... 
>
> We love roasting in our Zen Roast. https://www.zenroast.co. I can roast 
> 3/4 cup (I know, I’m supposed to weigh the beans. Bah.) green beans to a 
> dark medium roast very evenly on medium flame in 12-15 minutes, which 
> yields one cup roasted coffee. I age it 24 hours to 7 days, with the sweet 
> spot we prefer at around 3 days, but that’s a pretty subtle difference when 
> using great beans and roaster. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: What’s your winter (re)build?

[Patrick Moore]

Just minor improvements, both involving handlbars:

1. Swapped out the sold-to-me-as-42s VO Course bar -- very nice but felt a
bit wide, especially in the hooks -- for an appealingly priced
Compass/Herse Maes Parallel, also sold-to-me-as-a-42 but 2 cm narrower at
the outside center of the bends; this for the dirt road Matthews. I must
say that while the ramps initially felt a wee bit narrow, the hoods felt
perfect, and the hooks felt much better than those of the VO. *And* I
probably saved a few grams, doubtless the reason why I'm now so much faster.

2. Today, even! Swapped out the original edition Moustache bar on the Dahon
Hon Solo, where it failed to allow a very comfortable position with Joe
Bernard's ex-2" bar extender, for a Sury Open bar, which is like a very
wide (66 cm) North Road bar, only with no rise/drop and in steel and in
black. The Open has considerably less reach than the Moustache, so when I
positioned the extender level with Terra Firma, and installed the Open also
level with Terra Firma, the reach was considerably less than that of the M
bar in the same position and, of course, the Open is higher because no
drop.

Only, 66 cm is to damned wide, so I cut of a modest 8 cm from each end.
Perfection!

Initially I had tilted the (trimmed) ends of the Open slightly downward;
hurt my hands during the inaugural ride. I stopped twice to reduce the
tilt, ending up with the open very, very slightly tilted *down* in front --
ie, ends of the bar very slightly pointed up. Wonderful! Weird, I know, but
still, wonderful -- best bar I've used apart from drop bars. Highly
recommended.

Oh, 1 more. Swapped out the 60 mm PB Cascadias on the Matthews (60.5 mm Big
Ones), where they crowded as close a1-2 mm to the side of the tire, with
Kiley's 60 mm SKS's -- these have a shallower arc and are not squared off.
Much better!

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Re: [RBW] Snowshoe LCG!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, the beautiful thing about snow is it adventure per inch increases 
exponentially by how wet and deep the snow is. This stuff was a ratio of 1:10, 
so every mile took the effort of ten on a clear summer day. This is a highly 
honed and scientific ratio. Wink. Grin. For comparison, were it powder of half 
this depth, 1:2 ratio. Actual miles of LCG I’d estimate as 3, miles on plowed 
road with 1-2” of snowblow, 5. So by the time I was home, the ride felt like a 
40 mile ride at high effort, cause in this stuff even I’m a mouth breather. 
Sardonic grin. As to the cultural difference, you are correct. Urban lowlands 
to country(ish) mountains. Much as I get frustrated by New Colorado’s invasion 
into what remains of Old Colorado territory, Old Colorado still has a strong 
presence. 

Andy, I thought of the cyclist pair that crossed the Panama canal jungle (can’t 
remember the details, may have that much wrong), and to make progress in the 
mangroved they chopped they way for a while, then went back and carried their 
bikes. There were sections it was deep drifts I debated this approach of 
leaving the bike, packing the snow so I had a track snowshoed twice before I 
took the bike on it. Instead, I lifted the front wheel and dragged the rear 
only, making it much easier to move becase I was pulling the rear tire rather 
than pushing the front tire deeped into the snow. You can also see the regular 
pedal divot from it being fixed gear, photo left of the bike tire track.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Analog “(w)right” stem?  No reach or 30mm reach. 26.0 or 31.8 clamp.  I 
actually have a zero reach 26.0 and original version of the Crust towel 
rack/leather bar I plan to try on my Clem but life has knocked that project 
down a few pegs on the priority list.  Someone here also just recently listed a 
31.8 analog stem for sale along with a few other items.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

More data to process! (Weird machine metaphor, that!) I've been drinking
coffee since circa 1968*, but apparently there is a rabbit hole analogous
to that which appears to someone who has for years ridden his Electra
Townie when faced with the esoterica of planing, long chainstays, and super
supple tires. Not only a rabbit hole, apparently, but a money pit too.
Heck, I've been buying Costco's 3 lb bag of San Francisco French Roast for
$14.99 for years.

But thanks. It makes interesting reading. I may even act on some of it!

* This may explain my serious naïveté about coffee. 50 years ago we lived
outside of Nairobi in an area where everything was surrounded by
I-kid-you-not square miles of coffee plantations, unless it was virgin
forest. We'd sit down each morning to a full service family breakfast and
drink --- Taster's Choice freeze dried and Coffee Mate imported from the US
of A. And this in an area where not only the coffee but the dairy was grade
A+.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
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Re: [RBW] Snowshoe LCG!

[Patrick Moore]

Wonderful. I wish we'd gotten some of your snow -- and you keep the wind;
but all we got 400 miles south was wind and rain.

How far did you go? Of that total, how many miles riding and how many miles
plugging away on foot?

Interesting that the self reliance cultures should be so different in
adjacent counties. I've visited both areas, but am not intimately familiar
with either. Am I right in judging that the difference is essentially that
between urban/suburban and rural cultures, with mountainous terrain
exacerbating the issue?

Patrick Moore, who remembers 13 feet a year in Kebek, Canada.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:39 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In which post-blizzard snow is deep and dense, and I’m dense enough to
> haul my bike through it for miles so I can ride it for miles. Grin.
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/new-colorado-meet-old-colorado
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[David Bivins]

Ah - the slow grind eliminates the static build-up! That's my problem
I'll bet - too fast. I will bookmark this concept.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>
> I've been through $50 Cuisinart burr grinders every 3 years for the past 9.
> This time I upgraded to a Capresso 565, which grinds Slow.
> The product comes in perfect uniform grains, no matter how tiny, and zero 
> dust.
> Even grind size eliminates bitterness, and best part is the uniform coarser 
> grind I can get is perfect for coffee-press brew.
>
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[RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I use a Hario hand crank burr grinder with chemex for pour over... well, I 
‘did’ use the hand crank for a couple years until our son was born and started 
losing that extra time in the mornings and have since been cheating with 
pre-ground beans for the most part.  I enjoyed the process and routine and 
would grind daily but it does take a few minutes of steady cranking.  Never 
tried a super fine ground and adjusted it somewhere in the middle.  Over time 
the locknut begins to loosen regularly on the crank and I was planning to use a 
nylock replacement nut but haven’t gotten around to it, so on the occasion we 
go whole bean I just need to tighten the crank a few times each session.  It 
was also fun to have our son help fill and grind the beans some mornings but he 
prefers to open and dump the beans on the floor or crank in reverse, haha, so 
I’d have to give him a decoy bowl of beans to play with to actually finish the 
job.  The size is great for one small pot each morning (larger/rounder hario 
not the small slim one, which I hadn’t tried.) My wife and each just have one 
mug each in the morning.

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[RBW] Re: Snowshoe LCG!

[ascpgh]

what an adventure! 

Couldn't agree more about the old and the new.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 3:39:30 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which post-blizzard snow is deep and dense, and I’m dense enough to 
> haul my bike through it for miles so I can ride it for miles. Grin. 
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/new-colorado-meet-old-colorado
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Aye, Todd. Solid tools are always a pleasure, and always less expensive in the 
long run. Good to hear your Pharos is going strong after a decade. I think 
we’re three years into our Lido 2? However long they’ve been out is how long 
we’ve had ours. Grinds daily for a family of 6 and works like new. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Todd Ferguson]

Deacon- so cool to happen across the orphan espresso / Rivendell overlap here. 
I have been using an orphan espresso first generation Pharos grinder for over 
10 years. That coupled with a mid 1980s elektra micro casa e Leva manual 
espresso machine, bought from and restored by orphan, has been making a great 
cup for years.

Glad you like the like the lido and working the Pharos has been a great daily 
pleasure. 

--Todd 

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[RBW] Re: Brown Brooks Professional Saddle

[Steve Butcher]

For the sake of clarification; this saddle has the smaller silver rivets 
and not the hammered copper rivets.  Also, I'll drop the price to $75.00 
shipped CONUS.  

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 6:10:58 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Hello Forum.  I'm offering for sale this saddle which I had on my 
> Simpleone.  I also had a B17 and decided to switch saddles and sell this 
> one.  It is in as new condition.  I have always stored it indoors and  It 
> has never been wet. I applied VO leather saddle treatment before winter.  
> As you may know, these saddles do not come with loops for saddlebags.  
> You'll notice a clamp on saddle bag mount in the photos.  It is sturdy, 
> functional, and I'm throwing it in the offer.  I'll need to get $90.00 net 
> shipped in CONUS.  PayPal preferred.  Please private message me with 
> questions.
>
> -Steve
>
> [image: 20190305_184611.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190305_184548.jpeg]
> -Steve
>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Ron Mc]

I've been through $50 Cuisinart burr grinders every 3 years for the past 
9.  
This time I upgraded to a Capresso 565, which grinds Slow.  
The product comes in perfect uniform grains, no matter how tiny, and zero 
dust.  
Even grind size eliminates bitterness, and best part is the uniform coarser 
grind I can get is perfect for coffee-press brew.  

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[christian poppell]

Happy for who ever got it! It seemed like a reasonable price. Little too 
small for me too.

Christian
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:10:39 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> $1695 or something like that for a nicely built complete. I've seen a lot 
> of The Pros Closet listings on eBay and they seem to range from 
> weird-ridiculous pricing, but this one seemed about right.
>
> Darin
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>>
>> Indeed, inquiring minds. It's a hair too small for me, but it's the 
>> perfect color and build, so I'm curious how much I saved today.
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Los Angeles, CA USA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:55:49 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>>
>>> How much was it going for?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1, with the qualification that if you want to test if hand grinding is 
something you prefer, $25 entry fee is ten times less than the Lido 2. However, 
the grind and the grinding experience of the Lido is Rivendellian while the 
Hario or Porlex are Public or similar. Why grind instead of blade? Consistancy 
brews better, so all your gounds osmosize equally, neither under or over 
brewing. This gives easily noticable improvement to the flavor.

Phil said: “I highly recommend staying away from any ceramic burr grinders like 
the Hario or Porlex. I've had both and they don't compare to more high end 
manual grinders.”

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all -- some very interesting information to mull over with my next
cup of coffee.

I'll first try very slightly dampening the frozen beans before I pulverize
with my blade grinder, but I am very tempted to try a Hario...

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
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>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Surly 8-Pack Rack

[Collin A]

The rack has been acquired. Thanks all!

On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 5:55:53 PM UTC-8, Collin A wrote:
>
> The one and only bump, still looking...
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 12:53:29 PM UTC-8, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Howdy folks,
>>
>> I'm looking to pickup an 8-pack rack to throw onto my Clem so I get 
>> better clearance between the tires and fenders (see attached, minimal 
>> clearances). Most rando-style racks just have the platform too low when I 
>> throw on a 2.2 or 2.4 inch tire so I need something that raises the 
>> platform a bit, but doesn't mount to the fork eyelets near the hub.
>>
>> I can also trade my current rack, the Crust Small Rack, for those 
>> interested: https://crustbikes.com/products/small-rack/
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Collin in Oakland
>>
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Bill Lindsay]

+1

Actually +2

This is a case of the solution to your problem is to stop causing the 
problem in the first place. People who know how to store coffee recommend 
against freezing

http://www.ncausa.org/about-coffee/how-to-store-coffee

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 11:42:07 AM UTC-7, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> Don’t freeze your beans. Buy them regularly, and keep them in the cupboard 
> in the roll top bag they came in.

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In case anyone is daft enough to want to try roasting your own, I recommend the 
free way to test if you want to do it more than five times (well, free except 
for buying green beans): a cast iron skillet or dutch oven (high walls make for 
a bit more even roasting) on medium flame/heat, stir constantly, remove some 
point after first crack stops and the beans burn. Easy to scorch the beans this 
way though, so once you know you want to roast regularly...

We love roasting in our Zen Roast. https://www.zenroast.co. I can roast 3/4 cup 
(I know, I’m supposed to weigh the beans. Bah.) green beans to a dark medium 
roast very evenly on medium flame in 12-15 minutes, which yields one cup 
roasted coffee. I age it 24 hours to 7 days, with the sweet spot we prefer at 
around 3 days, but that’s a pretty subtle difference when using great beans and 
roaster.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Justin, Oakland]

To cut the static you just knock the receiving cup a few times. Cabinet, 
counter or knuckle works 

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[DarinM]

$1695 or something like that for a nicely built complete. I've seen a lot 
of The Pros Closet listings on eBay and they seem to range from 
weird-ridiculous pricing, but this one seemed about right.

Darin

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> Indeed, inquiring minds. It's a hair too small for me, but it's the 
> perfect color and build, so I'm curious how much I saved today.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:55:49 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> How much was it going for?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[sameness]

Indeed, inquiring minds. It's a hair too small for me, but it's the perfect 
color and build, so I'm curious how much I saved today.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:55:49 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> How much was it going for?
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[sameness]

You can buy certified refurbished grinders direct from Baratza 
. 

I own a B-stock Virtuoso which sees about two pounds of coffee go through 
it every week. I make coffee about three different ways depending on my 
mood, and once you dial in the appropriate grinds in it's perfect.

It's been serviced by Baratza once in five years (I mucked up a seal while 
giving it a long-overdue cleaning), which set me back $64.50 including 
return shipping. With care it will outgrind us all.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[David Bivins]

I have the Bodum burr grinder because I found it on sale. It's not the
best, but it works. A couple drops of water on the beans before
grinding will cut the static. I have a cheap ceramic burr hand grinder
for when I travel.
Agreed with all here - buy fresh roasted (or roast yourself) and keep
it in its bag. Brew immediately after grinding. Don't freeze - there
is no benefit at all.
I cold brew my coffee using a large mason jar and an inexpensive metal
mesh filter. When I want to brew hot, which is rare these days, I use
an Aeropress.
My wife drinks tea, and one of those electric kettles has been
wonderful - she can get her precise temp for brewing green tea, and I
can get mine for the Aeropress.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 4:37 PM Justin, Oakland  wrote:
>
> I use a Vario, my wife uses a melita filter system for convenience. I had a 
> Kalita and enjoyed it but the availability of filters at the time (8-10 years 
> ago) was rough.
>
> Baratza grinders are serviceable and I recently replaced an adjustment ring 
> on mine that was broke. I’ve had the motor rebuilt before when it was 
> slipping.
>
> The Wacoco handpresso makes incredibly decent espresso for what it is.
>
> I’m going to try the Kinu hand grinders.
>
> -J
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Justin, Oakland]

I use a Vario, my wife uses a melita filter system for convenience. I had a 
Kalita and enjoyed it but the availability of filters at the time (8-10 years 
ago) was rough. 

Baratza grinders are serviceable and I recently replaced an adjustment ring on 
mine that was broke. I’ve had the motor rebuilt before when it was slipping. 

The Wacoco handpresso makes incredibly decent espresso for what it is. 

I’m going to try the Kinu hand grinders. 

-J

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Rosco Bubbe - Bronze

[Joe Bernard]

What's the seattube center-to-top? The very top of the tube is the number I 
seek, not where the toptube intersects. 

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[RBW] Re: Why do Riv mixtes have 70 Degree HT angles?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Jeremy,
I checked the Riv geometry chart:

Clem L has HT angle 71 or 71.5. The front center for Cheviot and Clem L of 
comparable size are very close.

Shoji
Arlington MA


On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> I've also noticed that myself and have wondered about it. I'm not sure of 
> GP's original design intention but my guess is that the consistency comes 
> from the fact that the Rivendell mixtes are the only lugged mixtes in 
> production, and thus their lugs are the only ones available. The upper head 
> lug, which would be mixte-specific, probably is only made in one set of 
> angles, so increasing the HTA would correspondingly reduce standover 
> height. This also probably explains why on smaller sizes the middle set of 
> stays don't form a straight line with the top tube. The cost to try a new 
> set of angles or have size-specific geometry would thus be high (new lug 
> molds) and probably leads to a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach, 
> at least with these models. You don't hear a lot of customers complaining 
> about the handling of their cheviots.
>
> Do the lugless Riv step throughs (Clem L and the various Rosco mixtes) 
> have different head angles?
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[Dave Grossman]

Did you get it Matt?  How much was it going for?   I just bought some 
wheels from TPC last week.  They seem like they know their stuff.. Packed 
those suckers perfectly.


On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:51:44 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>
> Wow, that was quick! 
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:33:10 PM UTC-7, Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>> What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Folks,
>>>
>>> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size 
>>> 57. Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[Alan H]

Wow, that was quick! 

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:33:10 PM UTC-7, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size 
>> 57. Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>>
>>
>> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[Doug Van Cleve]

That is old skool Riv there, tripleized Mavic crank, non-aero brake levers,
friction shifting long cage Simplex rear derailleur...  What a great color,
my '99 Joex2 RRS is the same color.  Congrats, Matt!

Doug

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:33 PM Matt Beecher  wrote:

> What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size
>> 57. Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>>
>>
>> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>>
>> Alan
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[RBW] Snowshoe LCG!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In which post-blizzard snow is deep and dense, and I’m dense enough to haul my 
bike through it for miles so I can ride it for miles. Grin. 

https://deaconpatrick.org/new-colorado-meet-old-colorado

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[Matt Beecher]

What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here

Thanks,
Matt

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size 57. 
> Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>
> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>
> Alan
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Barcons, Thomson, Tubus Tara

[Michael Ullmer]

Cross-post from the i-BOB list:

After Sunday's amazing Seattle bike swap, and the subsequent swapping of 
new parts for old the following morning, I've a few more parts to move 
along:

1) Thomson Elite Stem - 120mm - 26.0 Clamp - -10 degree - $30 shipped CONUS
--In great shape, just too long for my needs. I was using this one with a 
VO Course bar which I've since switched to a Grand Bois Maes Parallel

2) Suntor Barcons - $30 shipped CONUS
--These use a new screw, washer, nylon nut combo that I rigged up after a 
trip to the hardware store. Holds just fine and only requires tightening on 
one side. I also like the brass look. I've a couple other sets of Suntour 
barcons with these same screws/nuts on them and they work great.

3) Tubus Tara Front Rack - $75 shipped CONUS
--This is a holdover from when I was running a Raleigh Competition 650b 
conversion. Subsequent bikes that replaced that one have had custom racks 
built in to them, and so this one has just been sitting. In great shape.

Pics here: 
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipP-MZJbdjvs3RhiDlb9yL47Lc0dErfc6sThM5rHj49X5El_x_pCWfQCBnR95kn_Nw?key=MnNSNWdBQ0wxY05JaEJIeTkxSTExWkMxNEtYWVlR

PM off-list, thanks!

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[RBW] Why do Riv mixtes have 70 Degree HT angles?

[Jeremy Till]

I've also noticed that myself and have wondered about it. I'm not sure of GP's 
original design intention but my guess is that the consistency comes from the 
fact that the Rivendell mixtes are the only lugged mixtes in production, and 
thus their lugs are the only ones available. The upper head lug, which would be 
mixte-specific, probably is only made in one set of angles, so increasing the 
HTA would correspondingly reduce standover height. This also probably explains 
why on smaller sizes the middle set of stays don't form a straight line with 
the top tube. The cost to try a new set of angles or have size-specific 
geometry would thus be high (new lug molds) and probably leads to a "if it 
ain't broke, don't fix it" approach, at least with these models. You don't hear 
a lot of customers complaining about the handling of their cheviots.

Do the lugless Riv step throughs (Clem L and the various Rosco mixtes) have 
different head angles?

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[RBW] PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[Alan H]

Hey Folks,

Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size 57. 
Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...

https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999

Alan

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

Also to answer your other topics of interest.

Storing:

I use amber mason jars. Nothing fancy really needed. Most coffee will last 
for quite some time. Like Patrick, I also roast small batches and consume 
them rather quickly between my wife and I

Brewing:

I really like the Hario V60. It gives a lot of control - small stream, slow 
pour will give a mild and rich cup, slight fast pour will give a brighter 
and acidic cup. Also allows you to experiment if you want. I usually go 
about 1:16 coffee water ratio. Usually 12g per 200g of water in. I've been 
digging the 4:6 method a lot lately. You can google the recipe.

Kalita Waves are also nice too. Very forgiving. I really like using it, if 
I don't have the time to pay attention to my pourover.

I would also suggest for pourovers to go medium to medium coarse grinds.

-Phil

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> If you're going to grind a lot of beans, then an Encore Baratza is your 
> best bet. You can buy refurbished ones from their website just under $100.
>
> I highly recommend staying away from any ceramic burr grinders like the 
> Hario or Porlex. I've had both and they don't compare to more high end 
> manual grinders. 
>
> I have a Kinu M47. There is no equal manual hand-held grinder I've tried. 
> It outclasses my Lido 3 and Aergrind. Easier grind adjustment, feels more 
> sturdy, easy to take apart and clean, awesome grind catch cup. It's my only 
> used grinder for the past few months. I make espresso, aeropress, to 
> pourover, and it handles well if not better than my electric Encore Sette 
> (which I've had to get parts replaced a couple of times). It's got a 47mm 
> burr which is bigger than Lidos, Commandantes, etc. I can grind 15g of 
> beans in probably 10-15 secs depending on the roast. It took about 20 secs 
> to grind the same amount on my Capresso electric grinder. Also took around 
> 30-35secs on my Hario and Porlex. 
>
> Kinu sells a cheaper and smaller Kinu M47 Traveler. It's a little over 
> $100 cheaper than its bigger brother, but keeps the same burr size at 47mm. 
>
>
> The Aergrind is a good manual grinder that is portable. Smaller burrs than 
> the Kinu, but it's also cheaper. I got mine for 80 pounds direct from 
> Knock's website. The quality is not as high as the Kinu, but it's cheaper. 
> I prefer it over my Lido because the grind adjustment is much easier.
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer 
>> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this 
>> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>>
>> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine 
>> meal seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
>> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
>> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
>> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>>
>> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste 
>> from a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave 
>> a mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>>
>> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>>
>> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
>> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>>
>> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
>> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>>
>> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
>> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>> ---
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>>
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

Hi Patrick,

If you're going to grind a lot of beans, then an Encore Baratza is your 
best bet. You can buy refurbished ones from their website just under $100.

I highly recommend staying away from any ceramic burr grinders like the 
Hario or Porlex. I've had both and they don't compare to more high end 
manual grinders. 

I have a Kinu M47. There is no equal manual hand-held grinder I've tried. 
It outclasses my Lido 3 and Aergrind. Easier grind adjustment, feels more 
sturdy, easy to take apart and clean, awesome grind catch cup. It's my only 
used grinder for the past few months. I make espresso, aeropress, to 
pourover, and it handles well if not better than my electric Encore Sette 
(which I've had to get parts replaced a couple of times). It's got a 47mm 
burr which is bigger than Lidos, Commandantes, etc. I can grind 15g of 
beans in probably 10-15 secs depending on the roast. It took about 20 secs 
to grind the same amount on my Capresso electric grinder. Also took around 
30-35secs on my Hario and Porlex. 

Kinu sells a cheaper and smaller Kinu M47 Traveler. It's a little over $100 
cheaper than its bigger brother, but keeps the same burr size at 47mm. 


The Aergrind is a good manual grinder that is portable. Smaller burrs than 
the Kinu, but it's also cheaper. I got mine for 80 pounds direct from 
Knock's website. The quality is not as high as the Kinu, but it's cheaper. 
I prefer it over my Lido because the grind adjustment is much easier.


Hope that helps

Phil


On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer 
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this 
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal 
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from 
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a 
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> ---
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
> Other professional writing services
> Expensive! But good.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>
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[RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[John A. Bennett]

Don’t freeze your beans. Buy them regularly, and keep them in the cupboard in 
the roll top bag they came in.

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[RBW] Why do Riv mixtes have 70 Degree HT angles?

[Rocky B]

Hello all.  I noticed that all the Riv mixtes from the current Cheviots all the 
way to the original Glorious/Wilbury models all have 70-degree HT angles no 
matter the size...all other Rivs models are usually 71-72.5 degrees.  Just 
curious on why so?

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Re: [RBW] Repair and Wet Paint Services on West Coast?

[Kieran J]

Totally. Noah/Suzanne repainted my wife's city bike with one of their "one 
colour special" deals, which doesn't include any deluxe finishing steps or 
repairs, for CAD$325. THAT is a good deal but best suited to a new frame or 
one that can just be stripped and sprayed. The paint was indeed lovely, 
smooth as glass (it's a little worse for wear now though).

KJ


On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 9:29:56 AM UTC-7, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
> Noah's work is gorgeous, but a paint job from anybody like that (Joe Bell, 
> etc.) IS a small fortune.  Check out Allan Wanta:  
> http://www.wantaframes.com/. He isn't west coast any more, but he has a 
> lot of experience with complicated, factory replica paint jobs and better 
> than average pricing.  Search "Rivendell Road Repair & Repaint" here on RBW 
> for more info.  You might also look up Ed Litton, he did a tube replacement 
> and repaint on my bro's vintage Bianchi years ago.  Not sure what he is up 
> to these days...
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:18 AM Kieran J > 
> wrote:
>
>> I've stripped down my very grimy orange Rambouillet for a post-winter 
>> makeover. Another frame I bought recently that arrived in near pristine 
>> condition really highlighted how tired looking the Ram is. It has collected 
>> many chips and scratches. It also has some light damage in the form of 
>> chain ring marring, and some minor mangling of the seat cluster and a tiny 
>> dent/ripple on the TT where something fell on it prior to my ownership. 
>>
>> Over the years I have meant to have it fixed and repainted. Particularly 
>> when I lived in Toronto and VeloColour was located a 5-min drive from home. 
>> A 2-tone paint with repairs and decal recreation would have run probably 
>> upwards of $1k so I always put it off. Can anyone recommend/suggest an 
>> affordable painter in the PNW/West Coast Canada/USA that could also 
>> roll/Bondo the dent and massage the rest?
>>
>> The work will no doubt eclipse the value of the frameset but I love this 
>> bike and am loathe to part with it. It honestly doesn't give up much to the 
>> Della Santa racer I just put on the road. It deserves some TLC. 
>>
>> Kieran
>> Victoria, BC
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We love our Lido 2. It is easily set to grind everything from a course grind to 
espresso and everything between. Engineered and built to last a lifetime. 
http://www.oehandgrinders.com/OE-LIDO-2-Manual-Coffee-Grinder_p_14.html

I can’t speak to how to store coffee as I roast our and we brew it within the 
week. So my advice is use fresh roasted coffee (buying it from a local roaster 
or self-roasting). There is an amazing difference between the fresheness and 
richness because the oils et al are still present. I highly recommend using 
fresh roasted beans for the best coffee.

We get our organic green beans from Dean’s Beans and are partial to Colombian 
and Guatamalan. 
https://deansbeans.com/our-products/roasted-coffees/green-unroasted-coffee-beans.html

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Sean B.]

I keep a hand crank on hand for emergencies. This is the one I use: 
https://www.amazon.com/JavaPresse-Grinder-Conical-Brushed-Stainless/dp/B013R3Q7B2/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_79_bs_t_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=8CRZM5VX6DXTT22K7ZB3

They're mostly ceramic, so not as sturdy as steel. It will take about 5 
mins to grind the beans. I only use a Chemex or French Press so it's easier 
to achieve the grind needed. Turkish might not be great as even the entry 
level steel grinders have problems giving fine espresso/turkish grinds. 

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:01:18 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, Sean. That looks inviting, but it's quite a bit larger than I need 
> (or that would be easy to store in my small coffee/tea cabinet). Is there a 
> conical burr grinder that is smaller and suitable for no more than 3 cups 
> of coffee, which I gather means about 1-2 oz of grounds?
>
> Does anyone have experience with the hand-cranked Hario grinders? How long 
> does it take, and can you get the grounds Turkish fine?
>
> A burr grinder would probably give me better results with my press, too ...
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:53 AM Sean B. > 
> wrote:
>
>> Conical burr grinders are your friend.
>>
>> This is the one I use daily: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Baratza-Encore-Conical-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B007F183LK/ref=zg_bs_14092821_4/140-2207164-7992160?_encoding=UTF8=1=A2DM02FNTSFEYG6CE5R9
>>
>> Also, I would never suggest buying in bulk or freezing. Buy fresh in 
>> small batches and grind right before brewing.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I 
>>> prefer (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- 
>>> this seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>>>
>>> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine 
>>> meal seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
>>> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
>>> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
>>> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>>>
>>> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste 
>>> from a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave 
>>> a mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>>>
>>> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>>>
>>> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
>>> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>>>
>>> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
>>> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>>>
>>> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
>>> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
>>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
>>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>>> ---
>>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
>>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
>>> Other professional writing services
>>> Expensive! But good.
>>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Sean. That looks inviting, but it's quite a bit larger than I need
(or that would be easy to store in my small coffee/tea cabinet). Is there a
conical burr grinder that is smaller and suitable for no more than 3 cups
of coffee, which I gather means about 1-2 oz of grounds?

Does anyone have experience with the hand-cranked Hario grinders? How long
does it take, and can you get the grounds Turkish fine?

A burr grinder would probably give me better results with my press, too ...


On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:53 AM Sean B.  wrote:

> Conical burr grinders are your friend.
>
> This is the one I use daily:
> https://www.amazon.com/Baratza-Encore-Conical-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B007F183LK/ref=zg_bs_14092821_4/140-2207164-7992160?_encoding=UTF8=1=A2DM02FNTSFEYG6CE5R9
>
> Also, I would never suggest buying in bulk or freezing. Buy fresh in small
> batches and grind right before brewing.
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer
>> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this
>> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>>
>> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine
>> meal seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from
>> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding
>> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like
>> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>>
>> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste
>> from a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave
>> a mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>>
>> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>>
>> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr
>> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>>
>> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
>> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>>
>> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing
>> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>> ---
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
>> Other professional writing services
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Sean B.]

Conical burr grinders are your friend.

This is the one I use daily: 
https://www.amazon.com/Baratza-Encore-Conical-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B007F183LK/ref=zg_bs_14092821_4/140-2207164-7992160?_encoding=UTF8=1=A2DM02FNTSFEYG6CE5R9

Also, I would never suggest buying in bulk or freezing. Buy fresh in small 
batches and grind right before brewing.

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer 
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this 
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal 
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from 
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a 
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
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>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

https://prima-coffee.com/learn/article/grinder-basics/burr-grinder-basics/31830

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore 
wrote:...

This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
>

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[RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer
(convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this
seems (experience) to give best flavor.

Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal
seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from
heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding
beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like
staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.

So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from
a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a
mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.

Would a burr grinder help in this regard?

I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr
grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?

This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?

Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing
coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.

Thanks.

Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.

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[RBW] Re: FS - Velocity Atlas 650B rims 40 hole

[lconley]

>
> No longer for sale. Found a great deal on an NOS 40 hole Shimano Tandem 
> HF front hub ($36 shipped) and Sturmey Archer 40 hole 3 speeds are fairly 
> common. These are going on my Rosco Baby rail bike.
>

Laing
Cocoa FL 

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Re: [RBW] Repair and Wet Paint Services on West Coast?

[Kieran J]

Thanks Eric! DeKerf sounds like a decent option. A local-ish option in CAD$ 
is obviously a big plus.

D also sounds good and very reasonable, especially considering his 
extensive Riv history. Does Rick also do any repair work (?). Seem like 
maybe not. It would be ideal to send it to one place for the whole shootin' 
match.

KJ
 

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 10:04:37 AM UTC-7, ericf3 wrote:
>
> When I was exploring getting my Gilles Bertrand (frame by Marinoni), I 
> asked around and the 2 that ranked bery highly were dekerf and Toxik 
> Design, both in Richmond BC. Saw some of their work and seemed fine
>
> EricF
> Currently Ottawa Ont
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Thanks, Pancake and Mark!

Pancake-- the fenders are SKS S-board (front) and S-blade (rear). 

Mark-- the bars are flipped Albatrosses.

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[RBW] Crust Towel Rack Drops on Your Riv? Which stem are you using?

[John Phillips]

I'm looking at trying the Crust Towel Rack drops on my Hunqapillar, but 
I'm not sure which stem to choose.

The 8cm Dirt Drop stem seems to have about the same reach as the 7cm 
Tallux, but I'm suspicious that I'm going to need something a bit closer? 
Maybe???

So, I'd like to hear if anyone has found their favorite stem for their 
Towel Rack drops. Or maybe what didn't work for you, that might help too.

I'm not planning on using these for single track, more like something in 
the "paved road-to-bad fire/logging road" spectrum.

Thanks in advance,

John

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Re: [RBW] Repair and Wet Paint Services on West Coast?

[Eric Floden]

When I was exploring getting my Gilles Bertrand (frame by Marinoni), I
asked around and the 2 that ranked bery highly were dekerf and Toxik
Design, both in Richmond BC. Saw some of their work and seemed fine

EricF
Currently Ottawa Ont

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[RBW] Any reviews or ride reports for the new MIT Atlantis?

[Joe Bernard]

I'll have a 53 MIT Atlantis here next week. Only the big ones - I think 59 and 
61cm - get what they call a rainbow tube. 

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[RBW] Re: Repair and Wet Paint Services on West Coast?

[Joe Bernard]

D is Rick Stefani who you can email here: 
stefanirick yahoo com

But he's more of a phone guy:
510 278 2976

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[RBW] Any reviews or ride reports for the new MIT Atlantis?

[RDS]

Do all sizes the the extra curved top tube below the main top tube?  Only 
reason I'm asking is b/c I see some pic's of a 53 that only has one top 
tube & I was wondering if that was the previous version of the Atlantis.

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[RBW] Re: Repair and Wet Paint Services on West Coast?

[DarinM]

I've seen some good stuff recently from Now You're Finished!, located in 
Seattle. Also, Riv's MUSA frames are/were (?) painted by D Painting. I 
think Riv has some repainting info on their website, too.

Darin

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 9:18:30 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I've stripped down my very grimy orange Rambouillet for a post-winter 
> makeover. Another frame I bought recently that arrived in near pristine 
> condition really highlighted how tired looking the Ram is. It has collected 
> many chips and scratches. It also has some light damage in the form of 
> chain ring marring, and some minor mangling of the seat cluster and a tiny 
> dent/ripple on the TT where something fell on it prior to my ownership. 
>
> Over the years I have meant to have it fixed and repainted. Particularly 
> when I lived in Toronto and VeloColour was located a 5-min drive from home. 
> A 2-tone paint with repairs and decal recreation would have run probably 
> upwards of $1k so I always put it off. Can anyone recommend/suggest an 
> affordable painter in the PNW/West Coast Canada/USA that could also 
> roll/Bondo the dent and massage the rest?
>
> The work will no doubt eclipse the value of the frameset but I love this 
> bike and am loathe to part with it. It honestly doesn't give up much to the 
> Della Santa racer I just put on the road. It deserves some TLC. 
>
> Kieran
> Victoria, BC
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[RBW] Turn Around, Don't Drown

[Michael Hechmer]

By now most, or at least many have seen the video of GP riding through 
water on Mt. Diablo.  Perhaps this one deserves more attention.
https://www.weather.gov/safety/tadd-music-video

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Re: [RBW] Repair and Wet Paint Services on West Coast?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Noah's work is gorgeous, but a paint job from anybody like that (Joe Bell,
etc.) IS a small fortune.  Check out Allan Wanta:
http://www.wantaframes.com/. He isn't west coast any more, but he has a lot
of experience with complicated, factory replica paint jobs and better than
average pricing.  Search "Rivendell Road Repair & Repaint" here on RBW for
more info.  You might also look up Ed Litton, he did a tube replacement and
repaint on my bro's vintage Bianchi years ago.  Not sure what he is up to
these days...

Doug

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:18 AM Kieran J  wrote:

> I've stripped down my very grimy orange Rambouillet for a post-winter
> makeover. Another frame I bought recently that arrived in near pristine
> condition really highlighted how tired looking the Ram is. It has collected
> many chips and scratches. It also has some light damage in the form of
> chain ring marring, and some minor mangling of the seat cluster and a tiny
> dent/ripple on the TT where something fell on it prior to my ownership.
>
> Over the years I have meant to have it fixed and repainted. Particularly
> when I lived in Toronto and VeloColour was located a 5-min drive from home.
> A 2-tone paint with repairs and decal recreation would have run probably
> upwards of $1k so I always put it off. Can anyone recommend/suggest an
> affordable painter in the PNW/West Coast Canada/USA that could also
> roll/Bondo the dent and massage the rest?
>
> The work will no doubt eclipse the value of the frameset but I love this
> bike and am loathe to part with it. It honestly doesn't give up much to the
> Della Santa racer I just put on the road. It deserves some TLC.
>
> Kieran
> Victoria, BC
>
>

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[RBW] Repair and Wet Paint Services on West Coast?

[Kieran J]

I've stripped down my very grimy orange Rambouillet for a post-winter 
makeover. Another frame I bought recently that arrived in near pristine 
condition really highlighted how tired looking the Ram is. It has collected 
many chips and scratches. It also has some light damage in the form of 
chain ring marring, and some minor mangling of the seat cluster and a tiny 
dent/ripple on the TT where something fell on it prior to my ownership. 

Over the years I have meant to have it fixed and repainted. Particularly 
when I lived in Toronto and VeloColour was located a 5-min drive from home. 
A 2-tone paint with repairs and decal recreation would have run probably 
upwards of $1k so I always put it off. Can anyone recommend/suggest an 
affordable painter in the PNW/West Coast Canada/USA that could also 
roll/Bondo the dent and massage the rest?

The work will no doubt eclipse the value of the frameset but I love this 
bike and am loathe to part with it. It honestly doesn't give up much to the 
Della Santa racer I just put on the road. It deserves some TLC. 

Kieran
Victoria, BC

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Atlantis with drops?

[esoterica etc]

Lynn, that’s a nice looking Atlantis if I do say so myself! What length stem 
are you running? And where in the world did you get an Atlantis fork with the 
crown-top mounts? I love my Atlantis, but the one thing I’d change about it 
would be to put on a fork with those mounts. Cheers,

~Mark 


> On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:41, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> That's so pretty, Lynn!
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[RBW] Re: MIT Atlantis with drops?

[Joe Bernard]

That's so pretty, Lynn!

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[RBW] WTB: 51cm Joe Appaloosa, preferably that mustard color

[Doug Van Cleve]

Howdy folks.

Anybody have one of these collecting dust, sad and neglected in a corner?
My preference would probably the complete stock build, but I would consider
anything not super fancy (unless of course super fancy is selling for a
similar price to ordinary ;^)  I REALLY want to try the Choco-moose bars,
so it would be ideal if it has them.  I would also go for frame/fork/bars,
as I probably have all the bits to build up a bike.  OTOH, I definitely
don't have any 650B wheels so those would also be good to get.

Thanks, Doug

P.S.  I have some possible trades, although I'm not sure shipping frames is
really the way to go (~56cm Mg Pinarello Dogma, NOS M Surly Big Dummy,
possibly others).

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[RBW] Re: MIT Atlantis with drops?

[Lynn Haas]

It's a 53cm MUSA, so a slightly shorter wheelbase, but mine has been great 
with drop bars. I'm not particularly confident on gravel (I have some 
vision problems) and this is the best of any bike I've ridden on local 
crushed stone trails. It took a bit to get everything dialed in, but that 
was mostly due to needing a lot less setback on my seatpost - I had to 
switch to a zero-setback.

It looks nice enough that when I took it to the LBS for a tuneup, the 
mechanic couldn't find it in the shop because the owner had it out in the 
backyard taking glamour shots. He put it on Instagram. 


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[RBW] Re: FS: Protovelo complete or frameset

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

That's a cool/interesting bikeand the complete price is a steal!

Thankfully it's not my size ;-)

Alex in Rochester



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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet - 54cm - $1,300 + shipping CONUS

[Mike K.]

Chad, standover is 79.1 according to the chart. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet - 54cm - $1,300 + shipping CONUS

[Mike K.]

Yeah. It just depends on the tire. Gravelking sk 38s are too tight by the width 
of the knobs. I imagine certain smoother 38’s could fit. 35’s would fit no 
problem. And I’ve put fenders on with my 32 paselas in the past and everything 
fit. 

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[RBW] Re: F.S 56 cm. Simpleone

[Steve Butcher]

With nearly 250 viewers, I'm going  to reduce my price to #1300.00 net with 
buyer covering packing by my LBS and Bike Flights shipping. Please DM me 
with questions.  

Steve

On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 3:54:39 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I'm offering for sale my 56 cm. Simpleone complete.  I purchased the frame 
> second hand from a list member last Spring.  The frame is in excellent 
> condition with only a rare paint chip or scuff on the top tube and down 
> tube and nothing offensive.  After purchase I treated the frame with Frame 
> Saver then applied an exterior polish.  Always garage stored and never 
> wet.  The wheel set is Velocity A23 and velocity hubs and flip flop rear 
> hub. They were  hand built by my LBS.  Tires are creme Schwalbe Delta 
> Cruiser.  Build list:  Riv supplied headset, Nitto stem (i think 100mm) and 
> Nitto Noodle handlebars.  Brakes are Shimano cantis.  Crankset is a 44 
> tooth FSA and freewheel is an 18 tooth Shimano.  The saddle is a Brooks B17 
> Honey. The Pedals are MKS RMX.   Extras include a nitto front rack, 
> Sackville XS saddlebag, Sackville Sm front trunk bag, Pletcher kickstand, 
> and Planet Bike mudguards.  I think the yellow against the green Simpleone 
> looks neat but opinions may vary.  The reason I'm selling is that I have 
> several bikes so this one is not getting use and I need the space in my 
> garage, too.  I am wanting $1500.00 net for the package as described.  It 
> is somewhat negotiable if some of the extras are removed from the offer.   
> The buyer is to pay for my LBS to pack the bike and ship via Bike Flights.  
> Please send me a direct message off list if you have questions.  
>
> Thanks for looking
> -Steve Butcher
> Stockton, Missouri
>
> [image: 20190307_135516.jpeg]
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Accessories

[Steve Butcher]

The clemasack has been officially sold and heading back East.

On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Good Morning, Forum and all the Clem folks out there,
>I'm offering for sale as one package my Riv Bosco basket and Olive 
> Sackviille Clemasack.  I purchased them earlier in the past year for my 
> Rosco Bubbe but no longer need the extra carrying capacity.  Really, only 
> used the setup to carry my lunch...Actually. both items are in as new 
> condition, they have always been stored in my garage and never wet.  I 
> don't have photos for you but they look just like the ones in Riv's online 
> store.  I want $90.00 net for the package and I'll cover shipping in 
> CONUS.  I may likely use some of the funds to make a purchase from Riv.  
> Please DM me with any questions.
>
> Steve Butcher
> Stockton, Missouri
> 
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