Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Joe Bernard]

Is there a reason why these long dissertations on tubeless are on this thread? 
I tried the nice version of getting it back on track and it didn't work. I 
don't think it's fair to "can't help quibbling" with Roberta, who just wanted 
to show off her new bike builds. This - whatever this is - isn't necessary. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b8b3ef9e-8acc-465b-8e33-54fa22b95284o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: On Topic / Off Topic

[Jonathan D.]

Jim - thank you for all you do for this forum to keep it going. I do really 
value it and the community. I also see how some threads digress and lose 
civility and I don’t envy your role to manage that. 

I don’t think Jan’s post was off topic or inappropriate though and I think the 
Blahg is evidence of this.  Rivendell’s values and mission align with the BLM 
movement. There are years of systemic racism and sexism in bike culture and 
history that Grant highlighted this week and many times before, and I hope we 
can also continue to challenge this history wherever and whenever we can.  I do 
think there is a level of white privilege to expect to come to this forum and 
not have to hear about what our neighbors face everyday just for being black or 
brown, or gay, or trans, etc and be confronted with what is happening in this 
world.  I do think everyone should be expected to be civil to each other, be 
respectful and at times let the thread stop. 

Again thank you for all you do. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/68034277-f028-4b79-b7de-b421edc69cc5o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[ted]

Nay, ill not leave it to proxies, though proxies are certainly welcome. But 
rather lets not fight.

Of course an ounce or two of liquid latex inside the tire is nothing like a 
1/4 inch layer of the solid kind between the tread and the casing. Nor is a 
mr tuffy liner anything like a light tube. Both naught but red herrings.

I think its been fairly well established (i.e. the engineering equivalent 
of settled science) that the vast majority of the energy losses related to 
rolling resistance are due to hysteresis losses in the tread and casing as 
they flex due to the movement of the contact patch around the tire as it 
rolls down the road. That's assuming a hard road surface of course, 
otherwise there are losses in the "road" that could dominate, and please 
lets not start on "suspension losses" occurring in the riders tissues. I 
wouldn't call hysteresis parts of the system rubbing on themselves. There 
are also losses due to bead squirm (reasonable to call that parts of the 
system rubbing against each other) and Jobst famously argued that tubulars 
have worse rolling resistance than clinchers because of losses in the glue. 
But those are small compared to the hysteresis in the tread and casing. I'm 
confident careful testing could measure losses due to the tube but I'm sure 
there would be losses from hysteresis in the tube itself, and I doubt it 
rubs against the casing in a measurable amount. I frequently have to peal 
tubes from tires when I don't talc them well. Don't think I've ever seen 
signs of abrasion. Even with a super thin latex tube and a piece of casing 
glued over a hole in the casing inside the tire.

I've used 80's hand made Clement tubulars, Vitoria CX, CG, and other 
cheeper cotton tubulars, Continental sprinter tubulars, Compass/RH 
extralights, the lighter Jack Browns, Schwalbe G-Ones, Continental BBall 
tires, Marathons, Schwalbe "fatties", Pacenti QuasiMotos, all with tubes 
and WTB Byways set up tubeless. I can certainly tell the difference between 
many of those different tires, and I consistently prefer the lighter 
flimsier ones.

I've also gone from cheep bulky heavy inner tubes to Schwalbe Superlight 
tubes. I can sure tell the difference in how bulky they are (or aren't) 
stuffing them into a patch kit, but I haven't noticed a difference in ride 
feel or effort. I have seen reports of testing with butyl vs latex vs 
sealant for rolling resistance. Can't recall how sealant fit in there but 
my recollection is the whole question was way down in the weeds.

The nearest thing to a direct tubed / tubless comparison I've experienced 
is two bikes I have where one is on WTB byways (47mm) set up tubeless and 
the other is on RH 38mm extralights with light tubes. My experience fits 
well with expectations for the higher volume lower pressure and slightly 
(?) heavier construction of the Byways compared to the RH. The bike with 
byways soaks up bigger bumps and holes better and seems a bit harder to 
push down the road. The only difference I experience that is clearly 
attributable to sealent vs tubes is: I don't give a thought to goat heads 
or road debris when I'm on the tubeless bike.

So I maintain ride, handling, and RR are dominated by tire pressure, 
construction and tread. Type of tube or tubeless has a tertiary effect and 
is lost in the weeds.
Of course YMMV and I'd not claim you cant have your own opinion.


On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 5:39:31 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Let us agree to fight it out by proxy. Proxies! Let us know your 
> (real-life, personal) experiences relevant to comparing how tubeless setups 
> affect ride quality -- resistance and cushioning. Include the effects, if 
> any, of sealant in tubeless tires.
>
> Also, why is "internal parts of the tire system rubbing against 
> themselves" not a factor? Or even, not reasonably conjectured to be a 
> factor? (Note the difference.) Perhaps it is not -- either; but I don't see 
> why it is not a factor or even a reasonably conjectured factor. Again, I 
> dump responsibility for evidence on proxies.
>
> I do not think, based on a priori and general evidence, that you can 
> reasonably suppose that an fld oz or so of liquid sealant should behave 
> like a layer of puncture belt; after all, one is liquid, one isn't. But I 
> can go beyond thought experiments. I resort to my own experience with the 
> Kojaks: these have a puncture belt (tho' be it said that they roll PDG for 
> commuter tires with such a layer), and were decent, not great, with tubes; 
> without tubes, elevated to Elk Pass (559 X 29, 175 -- !!! -- grams new!) 
> levels of felt speed and smoothness -- with 1 fl oz or so of Orange Seal in 
> them. Thus I refute your imaginings.
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:47 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I've never run the direct experiment so I'll have to deffer to your 
>> greater experience.
>> I will however mumble about confirmation bias, psychological bla bla bla 
>> etc.
>> And I'll reject your 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Leah,

I also like the Brooks B-17 Champion and Select, but if you want something 
wider you should look into the Berthoud Mente.  It's a bit wider than the 
B-17 and flatter on top, the latter being a difference that might work for 
you or against you; you'd have to try it to see.  I use the Mente on tours 
and love it for that purpose.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Would I prefer a wider Brooks?  Youbetcha. 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c784b027-13c4-4baa-bf1f-40af708c84a5o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: WTB: Specialties TA Handlebar Bottle Cage

[Mark Schneider]

I miss mine, bought it new in 74 took me a long time save up.
Have a 69? PX10 for sale size 58 if you're interested. 
I'm in the SF Bay area.
Mark

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 10:52:16 AM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:
>
> Looking for one of these!  Or a classy reproduction.
>
> [image: 49793874083_7943049f21_c.jpg]
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/530e997b-a538-4041-aef5-c58abed203b6o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] FS- fenders, Brooks Saddle, Baggins Trunk bag, Nitto lugged seat post

[maxcr]

Andy,
If the seatpost doesn’t sell, I’ll take it.
Max

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bed98860-f892-4169-b0ca-fd59fb6a3efbo%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: FS 1989 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp resto mod

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Sold

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dca3f51f-5a0b-4af0-9c2e-e46d444a8f69o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah but Roberta's bikes are sweet. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6871ae25-3522-4bb1-b35f-97b9a7f7d93fo%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Patrick Moore]

Let us agree to fight it out by proxy. Proxies! Let us know your
(real-life, personal) experiences relevant to comparing how tubeless setups
affect ride quality -- resistance and cushioning. Include the effects, if
any, of sealant in tubeless tires.

Also, why is "internal parts of the tire system rubbing against themselves"
not a factor? Or even, not reasonably conjectured to be a factor? (Note the
difference.) Perhaps it is not -- either; but I don't see why it is not a
factor or even a reasonably conjectured factor. Again, I dump
responsibility for evidence on proxies.

I do not think, based on a priori and general evidence, that you can
reasonably suppose that an fld oz or so of liquid sealant should behave
like a layer of puncture belt; after all, one is liquid, one isn't. But I
can go beyond thought experiments. I resort to my own experience with the
Kojaks: these have a puncture belt (tho' be it said that they roll PDG for
commuter tires with such a layer), and were decent, not great, with tubes;
without tubes, elevated to Elk Pass (559 X 29, 175 -- !!! -- grams new!)
levels of felt speed and smoothness -- with 1 fl oz or so of Orange Seal in
them. Thus I refute your imaginings.

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:47 PM ted  wrote:

> Well, I've never run the direct experiment so I'll have to deffer to your
> greater experience.
> I will however mumble about confirmation bias, psychological bla bla bla
> etc.
> And I'll reject your "stands to reason" outright.
> I don't think "internal parts of the tire system rubbing against
> themselves" is an apt characterization at all. Also one does not just
> remove the tube and leave it at that, one replaces it with a volume of
> viscous fluid that is sloshing around in there while you ride. I think
> careful measurement would be needed to determine if the rolling resistance
> caused by a tube was greater or smaller than that caused by sealant, and I
> doubt the difference would be one that most cyclists could reliably detect
> in double blind testing.
> On the opposite extreme putting a layer of latex between the tread and the
> casing, as some stout schwalbe tires do, makes for the deadest tires I've
> ever tried. Should I just assume with no careful testing that putting
> ounces of slowly drying laytex inside (and adding more every 6 months or
> so) has no effect at all?
>
> I'm pretty sure I can tell the difference between stout schwalbe tires and
> similar sized RH extralights. The difference between the same tires with
> schwalbe extralight tubes or latex tubes? Not so much. Between extralight
> tubes and sealant? Also, not so much.
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 3:45:05 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> My experience in comparing the same or similar tires tubeless and with
>> tubes is limited, but from based on that experience, I have to disagree:
>> getting rid of even light tubes (70 gram or even 60 gram lightweights in
>> the 26" X 1" or 650C X 23 mm sizes) certainly seemed to make Schwalbe
>> Kojaks roll faster and smoother, and I've mentioned my experience with
>> tubeless, paper-thin Big Ones.
>>
>> This stands to reason: if a good amount of rolling resistance is caused
>> by the internal parts of the tire system rubbing against themselves, then
>> removing one suchj element would remove one cause of resistance. From the
>> opposite extreme, my experience adding Mr Tuffys or suchlike liners very
>> definitely makes tires feel slower, as in 6" of cold molasses.
>>
>> What do others with experience of both systems say?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 4:32 PM ted  wrote:
>>
>>> Roberta,
>>>
>>> I am so glad you are thrilled with your new stuff. I hope this doesn't
>>> come out too negative/snarky/preachy/ because I can't keep from
>>> quibbling.
>>>
>>> I think tubeless gets a lot of unwarranted or rather I should say
>>> imprecisely stated, jumping over an important logical step, credit for
>>> giving a "better" ride. Your bikes would probably ride just as dreamy if
>>> they had light tubes between the rims and the tires as they do with the
>>> sealant that is in there now. It''s the tires, and pressure, followed
>>> perhaps by the rims and spokes that give you that ride. The tubeless thing
>>> "just" (potentially) changes how you experience flats with those tires.
>>> (Btw I think there is a similar and valid argument regarding weight.) Since
>>> you aren't a 200+ lb guy or riding 23mm tires, I'll wager you'd never have
>>> trouble with pinch flats either way. So what tubeless is really doing for
>>> you is saving you from dealing with road debris (e.g. goat heads,
>>> staples/wires, glass, etc.) induced flats.
>>>
>>> The number of road debris induced flats a person encounters, as well as
>>> how inconvenient those flat are, can be quite dependent the the local and
>>> the person. For example I think there is a list member who can barely go a
>>> mile without hitting a goat head, whereas I can go months at a time on RH
>>> extralight tires with

[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

[dougP]

Jim:

Thanks for the reminder.  This is indeed a refuge for me from the general 
current events of the day.  Personally, I get enough exposure to the larger 
world thru other sources, and come here for a bit of fresh air, expecting 
bike nerd topics to be discussed.  Thanks for keeping us OT.

Doug Peterson

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 10:20:58 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> First - I want to thank everyone who took the time to share their views 
> directly or through the other "OT" thread. It is humbling to know that you 
> care enough about this community to have strong feelings, and it feels like 
> everyone has the underlying desire to make this group a better place. 
>
> That got me thinking about what purpose this group serves. 
>
> At the time of its creation, it was, in my mind, a refuge. 
> I used the analogy of a "neutral ground" social gathering place - a pub 
> where everyone left their weapons outside and agreed to find similar 
> interests rather than inflame differences. 
>
> The tone and tenor of the internet at that time had shifted a bit from the 
> generally helpful tone (of say Sheldon Brown's expansive resources) to a 
> more caustic approach (anyone remember rec.bicycles...?) and I felt it was 
> important to create a supportive refuge. (There were other issues too which 
> had to do with RBW's email list and such, but I don't want to digress...).
>
> Things have continued to change since 2007, of course. It's very difficult 
> to have a reasonable conversation using only printed words in the best of 
> times. Recently we have not been experiencing the best of times. 
>
> So, that's what we have here, today. These times. Our group. 
>
> Does this group matter? Is it important? Is the idea of a refuge viable? 
> Is everyone so wired and induced to react that we cannot give one another 
> the space to be wrong?
>
> I'm not sure I can answer any of those questions today, and ultimately 
> they are maybe not all that important. 
>
> I do know the following:
>
> - I have two blunt tools at my disposal for wrangling this group - 
> deleting things and setting moderating levels for members. 
> - I have limited time to manage this group (not a change - just a 
> statement of fact).
> - I can also remove members, though I've only had to do that a few times 
> in the history of this group.
>
> I've always felt this group isn't for everyone. iBob is a much more 
> free-wheeling, broadly raucous group. I suspect there are groups and 
> threads and gatherings on Discord, Facebook, TikTok, WhatsApp, twitter and 
> a bunch of other places I'm not hip enough to know about, where bicycles 
> are discussed alongside religion, politics, economic theory and other firey 
> topics. 
>
> This group - and the individual members who make it up - have lurched into 
> and out of strong disagreement many times. Some of you I've known - through 
> the old rec.bicycles groups - for more than 25 years. Which is kind of 
> weird to write. So, I kind of shake my head and know that you'll 
> self-correct, or understand a larger context where your most recent - and 
> sometimes quite flippant and unfortunate - comment lives. But newer members 
> may not know that, and don't understand us (any of us) to that degree.
>
> I ask those of you who have been here a long time and remain active to act 
> with a little more car before pressing "Post" or clicking "Send". Everyone 
> is on edge right now and it doesn't take much to spark responses.
>
> Which brings me back to wanting this group to remain a place of neutral 
> ground. 
>
> To that end, and to ratchet things down, here are a few thoughts:
>
> - For the next month (through end of July), let's truncate our email 
> "footer" - name is fine, location if you want, even what Rivendell you ride 
> or lust for. But let's excise any exhaltations, quotes, passages, 
> businesses, links or other non-name-rank-serial number level info. 
> - Please do not start non-RBW _bicycle_  threads. I will likely simply 
> delete them for a while.
> - Ride reports encouraged, as always. It helps offset the buy/sell posts 
> which proliferate here. 
>
> Finally, a reminder - a thread continues only as long as people comment 
> upon it. Nothing wrong with letting someone else have the last word.
>
> Be well, stay safe.
>
> - Jim / list admin
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d28cb82a-52b3-4f31-84bb-39bcbbf4e547o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[ted]

Well, I've never run the direct experiment so I'll have to deffer to your 
greater experience.
I will however mumble about confirmation bias, psychological bla bla bla 
etc.
And I'll reject your "stands to reason" outright.
I don't think "internal parts of the tire system rubbing against 
themselves" is an apt characterization at all. Also one does not just 
remove the tube and leave it at that, one replaces it with a volume of 
viscous fluid that is sloshing around in there while you ride. I think 
careful measurement would be needed to determine if the rolling resistance 
caused by a tube was greater or smaller than that caused by sealant, and I 
doubt the difference would be one that most cyclists could reliably detect 
in double blind testing.
On the opposite extreme putting a layer of latex between the tread and the 
casing, as some stout schwalbe tires do, makes for the deadest tires I've 
ever tried. Should I just assume with no careful testing that putting 
ounces of slowly drying laytex inside (and adding more every 6 months or 
so) has no effect at all?

I'm pretty sure I can tell the difference between stout schwalbe tires and 
similar sized RH extralights. The difference between the same tires with 
schwalbe extralight tubes or latex tubes? Not so much. Between extralight 
tubes and sealant? Also, not so much.

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 3:45:05 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> My experience in comparing the same or similar tires tubeless and with 
> tubes is limited, but from based on that experience, I have to disagree: 
> getting rid of even light tubes (70 gram or even 60 gram lightweights in 
> the 26" X 1" or 650C X 23 mm sizes) certainly seemed to make Schwalbe 
> Kojaks roll faster and smoother, and I've mentioned my experience with 
> tubeless, paper-thin Big Ones. 
>
> This stands to reason: if a good amount of rolling resistance is caused by 
> the internal parts of the tire system rubbing against themselves, then 
> removing one suchj element would remove one cause of resistance. From the 
> opposite extreme, my experience adding Mr Tuffys or suchlike liners very 
> definitely makes tires feel slower, as in 6" of cold molasses.
>
> What do others with experience of both systems say?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 4:32 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Roberta,
>>
>> I am so glad you are thrilled with your new stuff. I hope this doesn't 
>> come out too negative/snarky/preachy/ because I can't keep from 
>> quibbling.
>>
>> I think tubeless gets a lot of unwarranted or rather I should say 
>> imprecisely stated, jumping over an important logical step, credit for 
>> giving a "better" ride. Your bikes would probably ride just as dreamy if 
>> they had light tubes between the rims and the tires as they do with the 
>> sealant that is in there now. It''s the tires, and pressure, followed 
>> perhaps by the rims and spokes that give you that ride. The tubeless thing 
>> "just" (potentially) changes how you experience flats with those tires. 
>> (Btw I think there is a similar and valid argument regarding weight.) Since 
>> you aren't a 200+ lb guy or riding 23mm tires, I'll wager you'd never have 
>> trouble with pinch flats either way. So what tubeless is really doing for 
>> you is saving you from dealing with road debris (e.g. goat heads, 
>> staples/wires, glass, etc.) induced flats. 
>>
>> The number of road debris induced flats a person encounters, as well as 
>> how inconvenient those flat are, can be quite dependent the the local and 
>> the person. For example I think there is a list member who can barely go a 
>> mile without hitting a goat head, whereas I can go months at a time on RH 
>> extralight tires with superlight tubes and never get a flat. I think James 
>> hates fixing flats in the rain and/or mud. Where I live it doesn't rain for 
>> months on end.
>>
>> On the other hand, the difference in ride qualities between uber stout 
>> tires and very light supple tires is the same for everybody everywhere 
>> (though admittedly some folks care more than others). So I think it is 
>> worth while to be clear about exactly what the direct benefits of going 
>> tubeless are.
>>
>> Anyway. Congratulations on your great upgrades. Sounds wonderful.
>>
>> regards
>> Ted
>> p.s. If you want to go crazy on the weight saving, get a Ti frame Brooks, 
>> Rivet, or Berthoud saddle and a 1/3 Ti duraAce cassette.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>> In April 2017, I rode a 2016 stock-built Rivendell Joe Appaloosa at 
>>> Gravel and Grind and fell in love.  James (formerly of G&G, now of 
>>> Analog Cycles) recommended a Brooks B-17 saddle, fenders, a rear rack, and 
>>> I happily pedaled away for the next three years.   My only change was 
>>> to a Brooks Flyer saddle.  
>>>
>>>
>>> I love the ride of the Appaloosa and rode it at home on the weekends.  When 
>>> I wanted another bike at my office for after work rides, I bought an A. 
>>> Homer Hilsen fr

[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, all forks from Riv with the so-called low-rider mount at mid-fork are 
designed to work with racks like the Nitto Mark's. Nitto/Riv also did a Hub 
Area Rack for it, and lots of people have made traditional low-rider racks fit. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/85bbaf1c-23b7-40e6-98b1-b22ffb6192fco%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

[Patrick Moore]

Very reasonable. Thanks, Jim.


---
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtoq%2Bc7_Kuc9EVYJMWBSrucJc%2BjN%2BGrBv59Ha%2BuOygQ%3Dw%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Andrew Erman]

Sounds fantastic!  

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 4:10 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Today's weather matches the world's tumult. A gentle, steady rain on the 
> climb up, stiffer rains for me pipe, then amazing winds up to 60mph complete 
> with grit and falling branches whipping about as head and side winds, making 
> me work at least as hard on the downhill return trip as the climb up. I don't 
> care how stable the bike, 60mph blasts that gust, stop, switch 15˚ and blast 
> again, makes you ride wobbly. Grin. This afternoon, we've had boomers rumble 
> though with sheets of rain and sleet and pea sized hail. Pretty typical for a 
> Colorado spring. Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/83d4d004-e3ee-4a1b-a694-03c68cdba16fo%40googlegroups.com
>  
> .
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9EBFE5B9-522D-4075-B4C7-4E65A666BE9E%40ucla.edu.

Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Smooth as butter, John. I think he'll really like the set-up. The range of 
the Silver shifter allows for non-fiddly shifting. The first round of 
Silver Shifters seemed to be fussy, needing just a bit of range per gear, 
making it tricky to shift on a jouncy trail. Not so with two. The derailure 
was easy to install and set up, using the video on Box's site dialed it 
almost perfectly (I found a bit of extra tension in the wee cog makes for 
perfect alignment for shifting all nine gears beautifully). Minimal chain 
bounce and snug chain with the clutch system works well too.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:36:53 PM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>
> Hello DP,
>
> How's the Box drive train working out for you? I'm considering the Box 3 
> prime 9 11-46 cassette and Box 3 prime 9 chain for my Salsa Casseroll which 
> my teenage son has been riding. He's not interested in a front derailleur 
> so a wider range 9 would be good for him. He likes the Silver down tube 
> shifter and usually doesn't have an issue with the friction shifting.
>
> JohnS (who's now riding a Crust Lightning Bolt canti rando bike)
>
>
> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.
>>
>> More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear or 
>> single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
>> cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
>> With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
>> would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a0bb8127-6810-4b4f-a22b-183e73fdff62o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Patrick Moore]

My experience in comparing the same or similar tires tubeless and with
tubes is limited, but from based on that experience, I have to disagree:
getting rid of even light tubes (70 gram or even 60 gram lightweights in
the 26" X 1" or 650C X 23 mm sizes) certainly seemed to make Schwalbe
Kojaks roll faster and smoother, and I've mentioned my experience with
tubeless, paper-thin Big Ones.

This stands to reason: if a good amount of rolling resistance is caused by
the internal parts of the tire system rubbing against themselves, then
removing one suchj element would remove one cause of resistance. From the
opposite extreme, my experience adding Mr Tuffys or suchlike liners very
definitely makes tires feel slower, as in 6" of cold molasses.

What do others with experience of both systems say?



On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 4:32 PM ted  wrote:

> Roberta,
>
> I am so glad you are thrilled with your new stuff. I hope this doesn't
> come out too negative/snarky/preachy/ because I can't keep from
> quibbling.
>
> I think tubeless gets a lot of unwarranted or rather I should say
> imprecisely stated, jumping over an important logical step, credit for
> giving a "better" ride. Your bikes would probably ride just as dreamy if
> they had light tubes between the rims and the tires as they do with the
> sealant that is in there now. It''s the tires, and pressure, followed
> perhaps by the rims and spokes that give you that ride. The tubeless thing
> "just" (potentially) changes how you experience flats with those tires.
> (Btw I think there is a similar and valid argument regarding weight.) Since
> you aren't a 200+ lb guy or riding 23mm tires, I'll wager you'd never have
> trouble with pinch flats either way. So what tubeless is really doing for
> you is saving you from dealing with road debris (e.g. goat heads,
> staples/wires, glass, etc.) induced flats.
>
> The number of road debris induced flats a person encounters, as well as
> how inconvenient those flat are, can be quite dependent the the local and
> the person. For example I think there is a list member who can barely go a
> mile without hitting a goat head, whereas I can go months at a time on RH
> extralight tires with superlight tubes and never get a flat. I think James
> hates fixing flats in the rain and/or mud. Where I live it doesn't rain for
> months on end.
>
> On the other hand, the difference in ride qualities between uber stout
> tires and very light supple tires is the same for everybody everywhere
> (though admittedly some folks care more than others). So I think it is
> worth while to be clear about exactly what the direct benefits of going
> tubeless are.
>
> Anyway. Congratulations on your great upgrades. Sounds wonderful.
>
> regards
> Ted
> p.s. If you want to go crazy on the weight saving, get a Ti frame Brooks,
> Rivet, or Berthoud saddle and a 1/3 Ti duraAce cassette.
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> In April 2017, I rode a 2016 stock-built Rivendell Joe Appaloosa at
>> Gravel and Grind and fell in love.  James (formerly of G&G, now of
>> Analog Cycles) recommended a Brooks B-17 saddle, fenders, a rear rack, and
>> I happily pedaled away for the next three years.   My only change was to
>> a Brooks Flyer saddle.
>>
>>
>> I love the ride of the Appaloosa and rode it at home on the weekends.  When
>> I wanted another bike at my office for after work rides, I bought an A.
>> Homer Hilsen from a fellow RBW member.  My only issue with the Joe
>> Appaloosa was it was heavy for me to maneuver on mass transportation,
>> steps, and general lifting.  Now I had a lighter AHH, and that is the
>> bike I chose to travel with.
>>
>>
>> But…I still loved the ride of the Appaloosa…it was just so…heavy.  A
>> call to James and Candice one day to talk about tubeless tires options, and
>> I was signing up to change nearly everything on it to lighten it and get an
>> even better ride.  I changed the saddle back to the B-17, removed the
>> heavy and too large for my use Carradice bags. Rack, fenders and kickstand
>> are too practical, so I kept them.
>>
>>
>> On Memorial Day weekend, I drove both bikes to Analog Cycles.  AHH got
>> 1.75” Gravel King tubeless tires and a shorter stem.  Instead of regular
>> grips, they wrapped the grip area with Fizik tape over gel.  Deity valve
>> caps in red for the finishing touch.   I didn’t need to change out
>> anything else on the bike—it already had dyno lighting and the correct
>> rims.   My new bag is a Sackville Banana Sax, just the perfect size!
>>
>>
>> The Appaloosa got the most work.  They changed the handlebar from steel
>> Choco-moose to aluminum Albatross and changed my 3x8 (or 3x9, I forget)
>> drive train to a 1x11 with indexed shifting.  However, the biggest
>> difference came with the new wheels, tubeless tires and dyno lighting!  
>> Candice
>> recommended purple spoke nipples and they look great with the butterscotch
>> frame.  Near the valve stem, she changed the colo

Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[A. Douglas M.]

In this same vein, I’m running the Microshift Advent 9 speed 11-42 derailleur, 
cassette (Steel), And trigger shifter. I think it came out to $130 or so for 
the group set, and it’s been great on my fillet brazed 29+. 

You could use their thumbies if you wanted friction shifting. I’m surprised 
these setups are not more popular for the price and quality. 

Best,
Aaron

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1ca6aee5-7f13-4335-a623-146374eee6a0o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[ted]

Roberta,

I am so glad you are thrilled with your new stuff. I hope this doesn't come 
out too negative/snarky/preachy/ because I can't keep from quibbling.

I think tubeless gets a lot of unwarranted or rather I should say 
imprecisely stated, jumping over an important logical step, credit for 
giving a "better" ride. Your bikes would probably ride just as dreamy if 
they had light tubes between the rims and the tires as they do with the 
sealant that is in there now. It''s the tires, and pressure, followed 
perhaps by the rims and spokes that give you that ride. The tubeless thing 
"just" (potentially) changes how you experience flats with those tires. 
(Btw I think there is a similar and valid argument regarding weight.) Since 
you aren't a 200+ lb guy or riding 23mm tires, I'll wager you'd never have 
trouble with pinch flats either way. So what tubeless is really doing for 
you is saving you from dealing with road debris (e.g. goat heads, 
staples/wires, glass, etc.) induced flats. 

The number of road debris induced flats a person encounters, as well as how 
inconvenient those flat are, can be quite dependent the the local and the 
person. For example I think there is a list member who can barely go a mile 
without hitting a goat head, whereas I can go months at a time on RH 
extralight tires with superlight tubes and never get a flat. I think James 
hates fixing flats in the rain and/or mud. Where I live it doesn't rain for 
months on end.

On the other hand, the difference in ride qualities between uber stout 
tires and very light supple tires is the same for everybody everywhere 
(though admittedly some folks care more than others). So I think it is 
worth while to be clear about exactly what the direct benefits of going 
tubeless are.

Anyway. Congratulations on your great upgrades. Sounds wonderful.

regards
Ted
p.s. If you want to go crazy on the weight saving, get a Ti frame Brooks, 
Rivet, or Berthoud saddle and a 1/3 Ti duraAce cassette.

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>
> In April 2017, I rode a 2016 stock-built Rivendell Joe Appaloosa at Gravel 
> and Grind and fell in love.  James (formerly of G&G, now of Analog 
> Cycles) recommended a Brooks B-17 saddle, fenders, a rear rack, and I 
> happily pedaled away for the next three years.   My only change was to a 
> Brooks Flyer saddle.  
>
>
> I love the ride of the Appaloosa and rode it at home on the weekends.  When 
> I wanted another bike at my office for after work rides, I bought an A. 
> Homer Hilsen from a fellow RBW member.  My only issue with the Joe 
> Appaloosa was it was heavy for me to maneuver on mass transportation, 
> steps, and general lifting.  Now I had a lighter AHH, and that is the 
> bike I chose to travel with.
>
>
> But…I still loved the ride of the Appaloosa…it was just so…heavy.  A call 
> to James and Candice one day to talk about tubeless tires options, and I 
> was signing up to change nearly everything on it to lighten it and get an 
> even better ride.  I changed the saddle back to the B-17, removed the 
> heavy and too large for my use Carradice bags. Rack, fenders and kickstand 
> are too practical, so I kept them.  
>
>
> On Memorial Day weekend, I drove both bikes to Analog Cycles.  AHH got 
> 1.75” Gravel King tubeless tires and a shorter stem.  Instead of regular 
> grips, they wrapped the grip area with Fizik tape over gel.  Deity valve 
> caps in red for the finishing touch.   I didn’t need to change out 
> anything else on the bike—it already had dyno lighting and the correct 
> rims.   My new bag is a Sackville Banana Sax, just the perfect size!
>
>
> The Appaloosa got the most work.  They changed the handlebar from steel 
> Choco-moose to aluminum Albatross and changed my 3x8 (or 3x9, I forget) 
> drive train to a 1x11 with indexed shifting.  However, the biggest 
> difference came with the new wheels, tubeless tires and dyno lighting!  
> Candice 
> recommended purple spoke nipples and they look great with the butterscotch 
> frame.  Near the valve stem, she changed the colorway to gold, topped off 
> with chartreuse valve caps, and I think it looks smashing!I also got 
> nice cork grips that probably a “blend” because they have more give than 
> the Rivendell ones.   I also like the ergonomic “bulge” in the middle, 
> like the older cork grips Riv used to sell.
>
>
> The ride with the tubeless tires on both bikes, wheels built by Analog’s 
> master wheel builder Mark, is sublime.  The more I ride them, the more I 
> LOVE them.  They soak up the bad city pavement and cracks in the MUP 
> sidewalks.  Even going over railroad tracks isn’t jarring.  The tires 
> just “smush” to take up as much road vibrations as it can.  Yet, they are 
> not slow or plodding.  I explained it to Bicycle Belle Ding Ding, who was 
> anxiously awaiting delivery of her new wheels, this way:  “By the time I 
> get home from my rides, I feel so much less beat up and feel like I can 
> ke

Re: [RBW] Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Patrick Moore]

Congratulations, now you know how much joy one can have by spending far too
much on a bicycle upgrade. Seriously, if it makes it work, then it's not
"too much," at least if you start with the right bikes. I've dumped a great
deal of $$ into attempts to make sows' ears into silk purses, and I've
learned my lesson.

Do you know how much weight was saved by the upgrades, particularly on the
Appaloosa?

The recent color -- schemes? -- have me reliving the early '90s; actually,
they outdo the early '90s -- I had wheels built with luminescent purple
rims, but only because I got a good deal on the model (narrow 26" Sun M14A)
I wanted in that color. Purple spoke nipples (I thought that my black ones
were daring); gold valve stems and chartreuse valve caps against a
butterscotch background. Reminds me of the violently colored nail polish
I'd buy my daughter when she was small; she had great fun putting it on my
nails (we had to remove it from hers before I took her back to mom's).

What is that kickstand?

Tubeless tires, IME, all else equal, simply roll better than the equivalent
tires with tubes. My almost 30" tall and almost 2 1/2" wide Big Ones roll
so well even on pavement that I wonder if they're not faster than the Rene
Herse 29s on the road bikes. I once briefly rode 26" X 1.35" (32 mm actual)
Kojaks tubeless/+sealant; they certainly felt a lot faster than they did
with tubes/no sealant, and I only stopped because nothing but air pressure
held them onto the rims. They felt as fast, tho' much thicker and stiffer
and wider, than the paper thin Elk Passes (with tubes and sealant) that I
use on my Riv Roads.





On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:42 AM Roberta  wrote:

> In April 2017, I rode a 2016 stock-built Rivendell Joe Appaloosa at Gravel
> and Grind and fell in love.  James (formerly of G&G, now of Analog
> Cycles) recommended a Brooks B-17 saddle, fenders, a rear rack, and I
> happily pedaled away for the next three years.   My only change was to a
> Brooks Flyer saddle.
>
>
> I love the ride of the Appaloosa and rode it at home on the weekends.  When
> I wanted another bike at my office for after work rides, I bought an A.
> Homer Hilsen from a fellow RBW member.  My only issue with the Joe
> Appaloosa was it was heavy for me to maneuver on mass transportation,
> steps, and general lifting.  Now I had a lighter AHH, and that is the
> bike I chose to travel with.
>
>
> But…I still loved the ride of the Appaloosa…it was just so…heavy.  A call
> to James and Candice one day to talk about tubeless tires options, and I
> was signing up to change nearly everything on it to lighten it and get an
> even better ride.  I changed the saddle back to the B-17, removed the
> heavy and too large for my use Carradice bags. Rack, fenders and kickstand
> are too practical, so I kept them.
>
>
> On Memorial Day weekend, I drove both bikes to Analog Cycles.  AHH got
> 1.75” Gravel King tubeless tires and a shorter stem.  Instead of regular
> grips, they wrapped the grip area with Fizik tape over gel.  Deity valve
> caps in red for the finishing touch.   I didn’t need to change out
> anything else on the bike—it already had dyno lighting and the correct
> rims.   My new bag is a Sackville Banana Sax, just the perfect size!
>
>
> The Appaloosa got the most work.  They changed the handlebar from steel
> Choco-moose to aluminum Albatross and changed my 3x8 (or 3x9, I forget)
> drive train to a 1x11 with indexed shifting.  However, the biggest
> difference came with the new wheels, tubeless tires and dyno lighting!  
> Candice
> recommended purple spoke nipples and they look great with the butterscotch
> frame.  Near the valve stem, she changed the colorway to gold, topped off
> with chartreuse valve caps, and I think it looks smashing!I also got
> nice cork grips that probably a “blend” because they have more give than
> the Rivendell ones.   I also like the ergonomic “bulge” in the middle,
> like the older cork grips Riv used to sell.
>
>
> The ride with the tubeless tires on both bikes, wheels built by Analog’s
> master wheel builder Mark, is sublime.  The more I ride them, the more I
> LOVE them.  They soak up the bad city pavement and cracks in the MUP
> sidewalks.  Even going over railroad tracks isn’t jarring.  The tires
> just “smush” to take up as much road vibrations as it can.  Yet, they are
> not slow or plodding.  I explained it to Bicycle Belle Ding Ding, who was
> anxiously awaiting delivery of her new wheels, this way:  “By the time I
> get home from my rides, I feel so much less beat up and feel like I can
> keep on going.The ride was so much more pleasant.”  It took a few days to
> get to this state.  Every day I rode them I liked them so much more than
> the previous day.  I think part of that is getting the psi down to my
> optimal level.  On the day that the pressure felt too low and I just
> pumped it up to 35 psi.  Over time, I’ll find my sweet-spot, pressure
> wise.
>
>
> Then, there is Dyno lighting!  I ca

Re: [RBW] Re: Commuting on a Clem vs. an electric bike

[Dave Redmon]

I'm about to switch my e motor/battery from my Sam to my Clem L. Looking 
forward to riding on a longer wheelbase and wider tires!

Dave in Kansas

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3ac7efff-35fe-46c1-8c1c-210472d8de3co%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[JohnS]

Hello DP,

How's the Box drive train working out for you? I'm considering the Box 3 
prime 9 11-46 cassette and Box 3 prime 9 chain for my Salsa Casseroll which 
my teenage son has been riding. He's not interested in a front derailleur 
so a wider range 9 would be good for him. He likes the Silver down tube 
shifter and usually doesn't have an issue with the friction shifting.

JohnS (who's now riding a Crust Lightning Bolt canti rando bike)


On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.
>
> More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear or 
> single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
> cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
> With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
> would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/11121177-d4f0-4a2a-8e4c-9e5e0828be62o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Joe Bernard]

Strange Magic

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/862673dd-c643-4258-a1f2-bf2c5d6500f4o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Doug Hansford]

Roberta,
Such a nice build and a beautiful bicycle. A use a Riv Banana Sack too and 
it seems to hold so much more than you'd think looking at the outside 
dimensions. Do you like the 1x drivetrain so far? Do you ride many hills?
Doug Hansford

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:42:36 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> In April 2017, I rode a 2016 stock-built Rivendell Joe Appaloosa at Gravel 
> and Grind and fell in love.  James (formerly of G&G, now of Analog 
> Cycles) recommended a Brooks B-17 saddle, fenders, a rear rack, and I 
> happily pedaled away for the next three years.   My only change was to a 
> Brooks Flyer saddle.  
>
>
> I love the ride of the Appaloosa and rode it at home on the weekends.  When 
> I wanted another bike at my office for after work rides, I bought an A. 
> Homer Hilsen from a fellow RBW member.  My only issue with the Joe 
> Appaloosa was it was heavy for me to maneuver on mass transportation, 
> steps, and general lifting.  Now I had a lighter AHH, and that is the 
> bike I chose to travel with.
>
>
> But…I still loved the ride of the Appaloosa…it was just so…heavy.  A call 
> to James and Candice one day to talk about tubeless tires options, and I 
> was signing up to change nearly everything on it to lighten it and get an 
> even better ride.  I changed the saddle back to the B-17, removed the 
> heavy and too large for my use Carradice bags. Rack, fenders and kickstand 
> are too practical, so I kept them.  
>
>
> On Memorial Day weekend, I drove both bikes to Analog Cycles.  AHH got 
> 1.75” Gravel King tubeless tires and a shorter stem.  Instead of regular 
> grips, they wrapped the grip area with Fizik tape over gel.  Deity valve 
> caps in red for the finishing touch.   I didn’t need to change out 
> anything else on the bike—it already had dyno lighting and the correct 
> rims.   My new bag is a Sackville Banana Sax, just the perfect size!
>
>
> The Appaloosa got the most work.  They changed the handlebar from steel 
> Choco-moose to aluminum Albatross and changed my 3x8 (or 3x9, I forget) 
> drive train to a 1x11 with indexed shifting.  However, the biggest 
> difference came with the new wheels, tubeless tires and dyno lighting!  
> Candice 
> recommended purple spoke nipples and they look great with the butterscotch 
> frame.  Near the valve stem, she changed the colorway to gold, topped off 
> with chartreuse valve caps, and I think it looks smashing!I also got 
> nice cork grips that probably a “blend” because they have more give than 
> the Rivendell ones.   I also like the ergonomic “bulge” in the middle, 
> like the older cork grips Riv used to sell.
>
>
> The ride with the tubeless tires on both bikes, wheels built by Analog’s 
> master wheel builder Mark, is sublime.  The more I ride them, the more I 
> LOVE them.  They soak up the bad city pavement and cracks in the MUP 
> sidewalks.  Even going over railroad tracks isn’t jarring.  The tires 
> just “smush” to take up as much road vibrations as it can.  Yet, they are 
> not slow or plodding.  I explained it to Bicycle Belle Ding Ding, who was 
> anxiously awaiting delivery of her new wheels, this way:  “By the time I 
> get home from my rides, I feel so much less beat up and feel like I can 
> keep on going.The ride was so much more pleasant.”  It took a few days to 
> get to this state.  Every day I rode them I liked them so much more than 
> the previous day.  I think part of that is getting the psi down to my 
> optimal level.  On the day that the pressure felt too low and I just 
> pumped it up to 35 psi.  Over time, I’ll find my sweet-spot, pressure 
> wise.
>
>
> Then, there is Dyno lighting!  I can now just jump on the Appaloosa 
> without worrying if I charged my lights.  The Edulux light Analog speced 
> is so bright.  I have Busch + Muller IQ-XS on the AHH.  It’s very nice, 
> but not nearly as bright as the Edulux.
>
>
> Now the Appaloosa is light enough for me to pick up, move it around, even 
> carry it up steps if needed, or onto a train if there is no boarding 
> platform.  I just love it!  Candice, James, and Mark did a fantastic job 
> and I’m SO pleased.  They are easy to work with and are meticulous with 
> their work.  They picked the parts and basically, I said “OK.”
>
> Going tubeless took a lot of consideration.  I heard so much pros and 
> cons, but after speaking with James and Candice, I decided to take the 
> chance.  What would happen if I didn’t like it???—I’d take the goo out of 
> the tires and put in tubes.  And, I’d be out some money.   But, I’m so 
> glad (in the two weeks I’ve had the “new” bikes) I took the chance.  The 
> ride quality is AMAZING.  Beyond anything I could even imagine.
>
>
> Here are my new Appaloosa parts:
>
>
> Shutter Precision PV-8 Hub  
>
> Bitex Center lock Disc 145mm Rear Hub
>
> Schmidt Edelux II dynamo light
>
> Busch & Muller Toplight Line Plus rear light
>
> Pancenti Brevet Rims
>
> Sapim Lazer spokes 
>
> Sapim Allow Spoke Nipples in purple
>
>

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

Leah is riding an Electric Light Orchestra or maybe she is conducting the 
orchestra. Was trying to think of an ELO song that suits this silly post of 
mine. Evil Woman for sure isn't good. Maybe Mr. Blue Sky? Ha. Nice ride and 
this is definitely a Next Level Clementine.
Doug

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:33:08 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Ok, I went digging and found my specs, for those of you who can’t believe 
> I wouldn’t post them. 
>
> Also, fun thing. My colorful spoke nipples light up under the Edelux light 
> and are delightful. I had to take the video myself while riding so it’s 
> awful, but you can get a glimpse. I’ll try and get someone to ride with me 
> and video it to see what it looks like from another perspective. 
>
> Joe - yes, that’s the sound and actually that was my sentiment about 
> pedestrians hearing the sound on the MUP and me not having to use the bell. 
> I hate using the bell. 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/72612d69-22ac-4542-831a-3b0adf91f4bdo%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Joe Bernard]

At the risk of repeating myself - I say rad way too often for a 58yo dude - the 
rainbow spoke nipples in the headlight is rad! 😎

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2f738bc5-9564-4871-9cd3-49d3b7f85a79o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] FS- fenders, Brooks Saddle, Baggins Trunk bag, Nitto lugged seat post

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

PM sent for saddle and seatpost 


Ryan 
West Michigan

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6a303c5e-771b-4109-a431-8733ddb23d18o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks for looking out for me! I’ve done some questionable things - riding 
around with an improperly-installed and floppy fender, bald tires with fabric 
peeking through, a loose headset, etc... 

It takes a village! 🤣 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 11:55 AM, George Schick  wrote:
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/64FE6128-9017-49C9-AB78-B146EEA12848%40gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Shorts similar to Riv MUSA

[dirtp]

I bought a pair of the KAVU Big Eddy river shorts based off this thread. I 
like them a lot. I like the MUSAs a little better - they have heavier-duty 
fabric and the hems are double stitched - but these are a close second. 
Thanks for the advice!

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 12:12:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've owned at least 1 pair of MUSAs as well as many other 
> makes/models/brands, and the ultimate, ne plus ultra of cycling shorts, 
> IME, for comfort, looks, details, quality, and ... and ... and - 
> roadies don't laugh at you, is:
>
> https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/shop/randonnee-shorts/product/RDS07XX
>
> *Very *nice, and I am picky -- and frankly, find that riding in cut-off 
> khakis 90% as comfortable and convenient.
>
> Really, all kidding aside, the Raphas are nice, tho' why they put the 
> wallet pocket on the right instead of the left, as God commanded Moses on 
> Sinai, is something that keeps me awake at night. But that's a minor 
> quibble. They are nice.
>
> I don't roll the hems as the fool in the photo does; no need to do so.
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/75db6710-b936-49ec-aff8-9c8b4101a266o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[George Schick]

Whew!  I feel better now.

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:51:44 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Worry not, George, these noises are from the expansion joints I’m hitting 
> on the MUP. I have friction shifting and it’s working well. The noise I 
> mentioned is the buzzing as I coast, as Joe described. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 11:46 AM, George Schick > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> The sound in those videos is not the sound I thought you were talking 
> about when you mentioned the rear hub.  I thought it was the buzzing sound 
> that Joe mentioned when you coast.  That clicking noise almost sounds like 
> a drive train issue since it coincides with the revolving of your crankset. 
>  Do you have indexed shifting?  Could be it's a bit out of adjustment. 
>  Does it occur no matter what gear you're in?  Then it might be a chain 
> rubbing something someplace or else a bottom bracket issue or a loose crank 
> arm.
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:33:08 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I went digging and found my specs, for those of you who can’t believe 
>> I wouldn’t post them. 
>>
>> Also, fun thing. My colorful spoke nipples light up under the Edelux 
>> light and are delightful. I had to take the video myself while riding so 
>> it’s awful, but you can get a glimpse. I’ll try and get someone to ride 
>> with me and video it to see what it looks like from another perspective. 
>>
>> Joe - yes, that’s the sound and actually that was my sentiment about 
>> pedestrians hearing the sound on the MUP and me not having to use the bell. 
>> I hate using the bell. 
>>
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/N5w--nIDb0E/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ae18aa51-aa02-4c84-932b-4075f241a304o%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
> .
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9edeffae-7239-4884-bcec-b03718f45afco%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Dark Green B17 Special

[maxcr]

Take a look at the recent FS thread by Andy L - he’s selling a green brooks

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QL95NAhwQSE

Max

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/575b2bb7-0a57-4ff8-b5c7-603ee015c3bdo%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Leah Peterson]

Worry not, George, these noises are from the expansion joints I’m hitting on 
the MUP. I have friction shifting and it’s working well. The noise I mentioned 
is the buzzing as I coast, as Joe described. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 11:46 AM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> 
> The sound in those videos is not the sound I thought you were talking about 
> when you mentioned the rear hub.  I thought it was the buzzing sound that Joe 
> mentioned when you coast.  That clicking noise almost sounds like a drive 
> train issue since it coincides with the revolving of your crankset.  Do you 
> have indexed shifting?  Could be it's a bit out of adjustment.  Does it occur 
> no matter what gear you're in?  Then it might be a chain rubbing something 
> someplace or else a bottom bracket issue or a loose crank arm.
> 
>> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:33:08 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Ok, I went digging and found my specs, for those of you who can’t believe I 
>> wouldn’t post them. 
>> 
>> Also, fun thing. My colorful spoke nipples light up under the Edelux light 
>> and are delightful. I had to take the video myself while riding so it’s 
>> awful, but you can get a glimpse. I’ll try and get someone to ride with me 
>> and video it to see what it looks like from another perspective. 
>> 
>> Joe - yes, that’s the sound and actually that was my sentiment about 
>> pedestrians hearing the sound on the MUP and me not having to use the bell. 
>> I hate using the bell. 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google 
> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/N5w--nIDb0E/unsubscribe.
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ae18aa51-aa02-4c84-932b-4075f241a304o%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/58A86CBE-CCB4-4E5B-A726-3A534CD1CC8C%40gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[George Schick]

The sound in those videos is not the sound I thought you were talking about 
when you mentioned the rear hub.  I thought it was the buzzing sound that 
Joe mentioned when you coast.  That clicking noise almost sounds like a 
drive train issue since it coincides with the revolving of your crankset. 
 Do you have indexed shifting?  Could be it's a bit out of adjustment. 
 Does it occur no matter what gear you're in?  Then it might be a chain 
rubbing something someplace or else a bottom bracket issue or a loose crank 
arm.

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:33:08 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Ok, I went digging and found my specs, for those of you who can’t believe 
> I wouldn’t post them. 
>
> Also, fun thing. My colorful spoke nipples light up under the Edelux light 
> and are delightful. I had to take the video myself while riding so it’s 
> awful, but you can get a glimpse. I’ll try and get someone to ride with me 
> and video it to see what it looks like from another perspective. 
>
> Joe - yes, that’s the sound and actually that was my sentiment about 
> pedestrians hearing the sound on the MUP and me not having to use the bell. 
> I hate using the bell. 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ae18aa51-aa02-4c84-932b-4075f241a304o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

[ANDREW ERMAN]

Thank you, Jim. I appreciate your thoughtful responsibility and
communication. I am grateful for this group. Best, Andy

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:20 AM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> First - I want to thank everyone who took the time to share their views
> directly or through the other "OT" thread. It is humbling to know that you
> care enough about this community to have strong feelings, and it feels like
> everyone has the underlying desire to make this group a better place.
>
> That got me thinking about what purpose this group serves.
>
> At the time of its creation, it was, in my mind, a refuge.
> I used the analogy of a "neutral ground" social gathering place - a pub
> where everyone left their weapons outside and agreed to find similar
> interests rather than inflame differences.
>
> The tone and tenor of the internet at that time had shifted a bit from the
> generally helpful tone (of say Sheldon Brown's expansive resources) to a
> more caustic approach (anyone remember rec.bicycles...?) and I felt it was
> important to create a supportive refuge. (There were other issues too which
> had to do with RBW's email list and such, but I don't want to digress...).
>
> Things have continued to change since 2007, of course. It's very difficult
> to have a reasonable conversation using only printed words in the best of
> times. Recently we have not been experiencing the best of times.
>
> So, that's what we have here, today. These times. Our group.
>
> Does this group matter? Is it important? Is the idea of a refuge viable?
> Is everyone so wired and induced to react that we cannot give one another
> the space to be wrong?
>
> I'm not sure I can answer any of those questions today, and ultimately
> they are maybe not all that important.
>
> I do know the following:
>
> - I have two blunt tools at my disposal for wrangling this group -
> deleting things and setting moderating levels for members.
> - I have limited time to manage this group (not a change - just a
> statement of fact).
> - I can also remove members, though I've only had to do that a few times
> in the history of this group.
>
> I've always felt this group isn't for everyone. iBob is a much more
> free-wheeling, broadly raucous group. I suspect there are groups and
> threads and gatherings on Discord, Facebook, TikTok, WhatsApp, twitter and
> a bunch of other places I'm not hip enough to know about, where bicycles
> are discussed alongside religion, politics, economic theory and other firey
> topics.
>
> This group - and the individual members who make it up - have lurched into
> and out of strong disagreement many times. Some of you I've known - through
> the old rec.bicycles groups - for more than 25 years. Which is kind of
> weird to write. So, I kind of shake my head and know that you'll
> self-correct, or understand a larger context where your most recent - and
> sometimes quite flippant and unfortunate - comment lives. But newer members
> may not know that, and don't understand us (any of us) to that degree.
>
> I ask those of you who have been here a long time and remain active to act
> with a little more car before pressing "Post" or clicking "Send". Everyone
> is on edge right now and it doesn't take much to spark responses.
>
> Which brings me back to wanting this group to remain a place of neutral
> ground.
>
> To that end, and to ratchet things down, here are a few thoughts:
>
> - For the next month (through end of July), let's truncate our email
> "footer" - name is fine, location if you want, even what Rivendell you ride
> or lust for. But let's excise any exhaltations, quotes, passages,
> businesses, links or other non-name-rank-serial number level info.
> - Please do not start non-RBW _bicycle_  threads. I will likely simply
> delete them for a while.
> - Ride reports encouraged, as always. It helps offset the buy/sell posts
> which proliferate here.
>
> Finally, a reminder - a thread continues only as long as people comment
> upon it. Nothing wrong with letting someone else have the last word.
>
> Be well, stay safe.
>
> - Jim / list admin
>
>
>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ad08c06f-85e2-4117-a781-b94448bd9632o%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAPhA658JEO9yz%2BiiABSZ

Re: [RBW] Re: Hot Waxing Chains

[Steven Sweedler]

For me the 12 drops part is big, and that  it last longer and is cleaner,
I’m a fan.   Steve

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:02 PM eddietheflay  wrote:

> it is kinda of interesting the high percentage of relatively high praise
> for NFS. i like it a lot but can't quantify why. it just seems to work
> really well.
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 4:18:22 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years,
>> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>>
>> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I
>> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I
>> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing
>> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride),
>> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my
>> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot
>> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>>
>> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains,
>> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil
>> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the
>> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first
>> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil
>> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new
>> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of
>> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off
>> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc;
>> and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner
>> and reduce wear?
>>
>> Your experience, appreciated.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/edb1a837-574a-4532-b6ed-e6dfe41faf75o%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>
-- 
Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALimyfLMFEq1dsX%2B%3DGRdJWcZQOeJoCakVifF9_0aPOE%3Dvtag%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Joe Bernard]

Another #Rivsister joins the fray! 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2419c4f1-e5ee-45b3-8de0-dff5e74a6e17o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

[dougP]

Ryan:

A friend of mine who's handy with a torch attached them, & also the upper 
ones for a small Nitto front rack.  Mine is an '03 & the fork had no mounts 
when I got it. 

doug

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 10:22:39 AM UTC-7, Ryan Nute wrote:
>
> Doug, how does it attach to the fork blades?  I thought Atlantii didn't 
> have lowrider mounts.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 8:06:22 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> I use the Tubus Duo because it installs so easily.  I take mine off when 
>> not using & it's easy to do and the Duo takes up little room.  It's easy to 
>> ship the bike with the Duo.  This is on a Toyo Atlantis but I don't see any 
>> difference for other Atlantis.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 7:25:33 PM UTC-7, Brett Callahan wrote:
>>>
>>> Curious as to what lowriders people are using on Atlantii. Bonus points 
>>> for pix.  
>>>
>>> Brett in pdx
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/10030559-f5a4-4b44-9d71-a946160d5af2o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

[rasterdogs]

Jim,
Thanks for the work you do to make this one of the forums that is focused 
and welcoming.
Jim Dobbins


On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 10:20:58 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> First - I want to thank everyone who took the time to share their views 
> directly or through the other "OT" thread. It is humbling to know that you 
> care enough about this community to have strong feelings, and it feels like 
> everyone has the underlying desire to make this group a better place. 
>
> That got me thinking about what purpose this group serves. 
>
> At the time of its creation, it was, in my mind, a refuge. 
> I used the analogy of a "neutral ground" social gathering place - a pub 
> where everyone left their weapons outside and agreed to find similar 
> interests rather than inflame differences. 
>
> The tone and tenor of the internet at that time had shifted a bit from the 
> generally helpful tone (of say Sheldon Brown's expansive resources) to a 
> more caustic approach (anyone remember rec.bicycles...?) and I felt it was 
> important to create a supportive refuge. (There were other issues too which 
> had to do with RBW's email list and such, but I don't want to digress...).
>
> Things have continued to change since 2007, of course. It's very difficult 
> to have a reasonable conversation using only printed words in the best of 
> times. Recently we have not been experiencing the best of times. 
>
> So, that's what we have here, today. These times. Our group. 
>
> Does this group matter? Is it important? Is the idea of a refuge viable? 
> Is everyone so wired and induced to react that we cannot give one another 
> the space to be wrong?
>
> I'm not sure I can answer any of those questions today, and ultimately 
> they are maybe not all that important. 
>
> I do know the following:
>
> - I have two blunt tools at my disposal for wrangling this group - 
> deleting things and setting moderating levels for members. 
> - I have limited time to manage this group (not a change - just a 
> statement of fact).
> - I can also remove members, though I've only had to do that a few times 
> in the history of this group.
>
> I've always felt this group isn't for everyone. iBob is a much more 
> free-wheeling, broadly raucous group. I suspect there are groups and 
> threads and gatherings on Discord, Facebook, TikTok, WhatsApp, twitter and 
> a bunch of other places I'm not hip enough to know about, where bicycles 
> are discussed alongside religion, politics, economic theory and other firey 
> topics. 
>
> This group - and the individual members who make it up - have lurched into 
> and out of strong disagreement many times. Some of you I've known - through 
> the old rec.bicycles groups - for more than 25 years. Which is kind of 
> weird to write. So, I kind of shake my head and know that you'll 
> self-correct, or understand a larger context where your most recent - and 
> sometimes quite flippant and unfortunate - comment lives. But newer members 
> may not know that, and don't understand us (any of us) to that degree.
>
> I ask those of you who have been here a long time and remain active to act 
> with a little more car before pressing "Post" or clicking "Send". Everyone 
> is on edge right now and it doesn't take much to spark responses.
>
> Which brings me back to wanting this group to remain a place of neutral 
> ground. 
>
> To that end, and to ratchet things down, here are a few thoughts:
>
> - For the next month (through end of July), let's truncate our email 
> "footer" - name is fine, location if you want, even what Rivendell you ride 
> or lust for. But let's excise any exhaltations, quotes, passages, 
> businesses, links or other non-name-rank-serial number level info. 
> - Please do not start non-RBW _bicycle_  threads. I will likely simply 
> delete them for a while.
> - Ride reports encouraged, as always. It helps offset the buy/sell posts 
> which proliferate here. 
>
> Finally, a reminder - a thread continues only as long as people comment 
> upon it. Nothing wrong with letting someone else have the last word.
>
> Be well, stay safe.
>
> - Jim / list admin
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9d21eaec-9ec8-45b1-8526-47da2a58bab7o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Leah Peterson]

I really want to encourage you to do it, Joyce. If you’ve got the desire and 
the means it’s so worth it. It’s like getting a new bike. 

My sister and I both got 2019 Clems (hers is the bronzy green) and she left it 
stock. I’m hoping she brings hers to the lake when we go to my brother’s for 
the 4th so we can compare. If she jumps on mine and notices the difference 
there can be no argument - she knowS nothing about components so will go on 
feel and ride alone. Maybe I’ll get my sister to be a #RivSister with new 
wheels, too!

But if you don’t outfit your Clem, maybe we get to do this project together on 
our Platypuses. Platypi? 
L

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:57 AM, JAS  wrote:
> 
> Wow!  What a fantastic upgrade, Roberta!  Thanks for the detailed write-up 
> and photos.  I’m really happy for you.  Your Appaloosa is stunning and the 
> Homer is too (I love that blue).
> 
> Between you and Leah, I’’m becoming convinced I should make the plunge into a 
> “lightening up” project for my Clem.  I was thinking I’d just wait to invest 
> in a light build on the next mixte (Platapus), but you’ve got me thinking 
> about Clem.  Hmmm
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google 
> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/pWpMrkiVUlk/unsubscribe.
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9c375148-9dbb-4af0-806f-95a9859a1e3fo%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/FF473331-C1F5-4C36-8C89-41C3ED054836%40gmail.com.

[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[JAS]

Wow!  What a fantastic upgrade, Roberta!  Thanks for the detailed write-up and 
photos.  I’m really happy for you.  Your Appaloosa is stunning and the Homer is 
too (I love that blue).

Between you and Leah, I’’m becoming convinced I should make the plunge into a 
“lightening up” project for my Clem.  I was thinking I’d just wait to invest in 
a light build on the next mixte (Platapus), but you’ve got me thinking about 
Clem.  Hmmm

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9c375148-9dbb-4af0-806f-95a9859a1e3fo%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta, your bikes are so rad! I love the WI cranks and 1x setup on that 
gorgeous butterscotch Appaloosa, that's a dang near perfect bicycle. Nice work, 
Analog crew!  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7b0e906b-2f92-4174-95ed-76eda9363387o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Joe Bernard]

My new White Industries rear hub (Rich/Hands On Wheels-built wheels) makes that 
"buzzing bees" sound, it's rad! Someone mentioned that it's a good substitute 
for a bell on the path, which I hadn't thought of. Pedestrians definitely hear 
you coming.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/db7aa88f-e759-4bce-85b6-84830bfcc6d7o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

The #RivSister Bike Chronicles don’t disappoint! So glad you were our 
ringleader and got us hooked up with Analog. If anyone else gets Analog 
wheelsets/colorful bits, I’d love to know.

Roberta and I Marco Polo (video messaging app) each other and have had way too 
much fun sharing our excitement over our “new” bikes. I highly recommend it. I 
hadn’t known about the chartreuse valve caps and I LOVE them. Perfect. 

We had so much fun with these projects. Up next: our upcoming mixtes. 🤩🤩

Enjoy every mile!
#RivSister Leah

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/edd2dd0d-1777-4112-8452-d6c0e715a27ao%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Just to be clear... that should have been "...act with a little more _care_ 
before pressing "Post" or clicking "Send"."

Not encouraging people to obtain cars... ;^)

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/19f5c6a5-8bc2-4dd0-aeb1-39e835749250o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

[Ryan Nute]

Doug, how does it attach to the fork blades?  I thought Atlantii didn't 
have lowrider mounts.

Ryan

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 8:06:22 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> I use the Tubus Duo because it installs so easily.  I take mine off when 
> not using & it's easy to do and the Duo takes up little room.  It's easy to 
> ship the bike with the Duo.  This is on a Toyo Atlantis but I don't see any 
> difference for other Atlantis.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 7:25:33 PM UTC-7, Brett Callahan wrote:
>>
>> Curious as to what lowriders people are using on Atlantii. Bonus points 
>> for pix.  
>>
>> Brett in pdx
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cc151010-27ce-4187-8c69-643de79b409do%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] WTT: 51 Sam (MIT: Black) for 54.5 Homer or Equivalent

[Andrew MacDonald]

Hey Everyone, 

I'm testing the waters to see if anyone would be interested in a trade. 
 The 51 Sam is just a smidge small.  I am looking to keep the same wheelset 
so something slightly larger with 650b and clearance for 40+mm tires.  I 
can send photos of frame, etc by request.  The frame is still in good 
condition maybe some knicks here and there.  I am in Northern California 
and would prefer not to spend money on shipping.  Let me know if you are 
interested.  

Best,

Andrew

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5fb882b8-b23a-439a-891a-024ac18e5e78o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Next Level Clementine

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  Beautiful! I love all the colors.

John


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b54242b-05a8-4759-9d47-0ad7031a88db%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Favorite Rivendell model names?

[J.Schwartz]

I don’t think anyone mentioned the Long Low. Love that one 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a7d0458f-2fc7-41cf-aec6-5b163a97cb56o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

[Vincent Tamer]

All the quaint, normal-ish names are great: Sam Hillborne, A. Homer Hilsen, 
Cheviot. Clem Smith gets a little weird, but its my bike so I like it!

Also Quickbeam, Legolas and Roadini are great, as is Hunqapillar, which is 
just weird enough to work.


No go: Gus Boots Wilsen, Wolbis Slugstone, Susie Longbolts (bleh). 

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Or, “Let’s Fight About Something On Topic!” 
>
> Let’s hear your most and least favorite Rivendell model names. No name 
> calling, even about the names. 
>
> What is your favorite Rivendell model name? Mine is Legolas. It’s real 
> hard to separate out the bike itself from the name for me. For example, I 
> don’t like the Sam Hillborn name, but that might be because it sounded like 
> a downmarket A. Homer Hilsen. On the other hand, I LOVE the name Platypus, 
> and want one of those bikes no matter what it looks like! 
>
> Hunqapillar - how genius is that?! 
> Wolbis Slugstone, though? My least favorite, in a walk. 
>
> I only ask because I found this anonymous poll about Rivendell model 
> names: https://forms.gle/FEf5TeFkr4fZQdxEA 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/aff879b3-655c-4226-a7b3-cee17892fcb4o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Greg Murphy]

Leah,

Your bike is similarly setup to mine. Of course, I changed mine up as well
to make it my own; bar end shifters, no rear rack. Anywhoo, gorgeous Clem.
If any bike shop makes you or your Rivendell feel inferiors, they don't
know bikes.

Cheers!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 11:00 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Weeks ago, I took my 2019 Clementine to a bike shop for a major makeover.
> I plunked down the money to make my only bike (until the Playpus arrives) a
> Next Level Clementine. I decided I’d finally get dyno, which I’d never had
> an longed for for years, and I’d get new wheels and tubeless tires to
> lighten up my heavy bike. I’d seen Analog’s beautiful work on Instagram,
> and dyno and hand built wheels and tubeless tires are their wheelhouse.
> Candice and James created and shipped the most colorful, beautiful
> wheelset/tires/dyno you could ever imagine. Ever. Now all I needed was a
> mechanic. But this is Vegas, and good bike shops are hard to come by.
>
> These are the days of COVID 19 and bike shops are overburdened everywhere.
> I don’t have any options close by, so I had to point the van SW and drive
> 35 miles, deep into Vegas. I got to the bike shop 20 minutes before opening
> and there was already a line. I grabbed my Clem, secured my spot, waiting
> in the sun. The mechanics came out to and explained no repairs, save simple
> flat fixes, would be done - they were swamped. I turned around and put my
> Clementine back on the rack. From the parking lot, I called several bike
> shops (one had 6 handwritten pages of names on their waitlist) and found
> only one that could 1. Accept my bike (other shops were too full to take
> more bikes) and 2. Get the bike back to me in less than a month. The catch
> was that the place was called Pro Cyclery. Yikes. How can I show up at a
> place like that with a bike like mine? They will laugh me out of the
> parking lot. They will think I brought them a beach cruiser.
>
> I bit back tears. I looked back at my fancy Analog wheels. And then I
> pointed the van in the direction of Pro Cyclery, arriving 15 minutes later.
>
> When I arrived there were employees apologizing to a mother-son duo that
> they could not get parts, due to a worldwide shortage. There was carbon
> fiber and drop bars and mountain bikes everywhere; it was just as I
> imagined. An employee met with me to write up my ticket. I had a long list
> for him. The list was:
>
> ~Remove old wheels and install Analog wheels (tubeless tires were already
> set up and ready)
> ~Hook up dyno
> ~Adjust brakes, which were too loose
> ~Grease stem
> ~Adjust derailleurs
>  ~Check click in pedal - bottom bracket?
> ~ Install new 38 tooth front chain ring (had a 35 and it was too easy) and
> trouser guard
> ~ Install new Kool Stop ebike brake pads
> ~ Check rear fender to make sure it’s correct because some idiot (me)
> installed it. Without taking off the rear wheel.
>
> The mechanic looked at me uneasily. He said he was sure his more
> experienced mechanic would help us. “Is this going to be ok?” I asked. “Do
> you ever hook up dyno here?”
>
> “Well, I see them at community bike projects. But I can’t see how I’m
> going to hide this wire,” he said, frowning at my fork 😂.
>
> The shop really stretched itself to figure out how to set up the dyno
> (they even called Candice), but when they were done they were really proud
> of their work. They used fancy metal clamps instead of zip ties, something
> I’m not sure they ever have cause to do. They hated drilling into my pretty
> VO fender, but they did it with great precision. They cleaned that bike
> until it sparkled - and this is no exaggeration if you’ve seen RBW Blue
> paint. They recognized my bike for what it was - “Whoever made this bike
> really cares about quality. We know quality when we see it. We don’t see
> bikes like this come through the shop.” By the time I arrived to pick it
> up, they had all ridden my bike and they LOVED it. I brought my bars to
> show them I was swapping out the 55 cromoly Bosco bars for the 52 aluminum
> Boscos. The senior mechanic said, “Oh, no! That will change how this bike
> rides and this bike rides perfect! It’s so nice - we’ve all ridden it and
> it’s so smooth! If I were you I wouldn’t be concerned with weight.” Hahaha
> - you can all feel the irony of the words leaving his lips in a room full
> of carbon bikes with a sign on the building saying Pro Cyclery.
>
> Anyway, I paid them way more money than they initially quoted me (oh well,
> it’s a Next Level Clem), left them a 6 pack of chilled hard cider and drove
> home. I swapped the bars, which took some time because I managed to screw
> up the cabling, and then only had time for a quick 3 miles.
>
> Oh, but those 3 miles were glorious. If you’re going to have a Clem and
> you live in hilly/mountainous country, then you owe yourself a Next Level
> Clem. Dyno is sublime - oh, not having the dumb light on the bars blinding
> the people 

[RBW] FS: Acorn medium boxy bag black

[dean899]

One bump for this bag $145 shipped and it’s yours. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2595fd67-f485-41b1-aed0-3cd9c48e6597o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Favorite Rivendell model names?

[kim young]

That is so fabulous you mention it.
The scorcher documentary was such an inspiration to me. I had a vhs copy
from ted. I must have watched it a hundred times back then and I wore the
thing out.
I wonder what he’s doing now? I Shall google :)
Gracias

(kim in az)

On Thursday, June 4, 2020, Mark Roland  wrote:

> I had a Scorcher. It was fun, but not in the same league as a Rivendell
> quality-wise. That bike was the brainchild of Wes Williams (and maybe Scot
> Nicol?) Fixed gear, 700 x 41 tires, Cresent style handlebars, Brooks
> saddle. Williams tigged the frames; used an aftermarket chrome cruiser fork
> with lugged crown.
>
> The name came about because of a documentary at that time (early 90s) by
> Ted White, *Return of the Scorcher*. This referred to the name given to
> early bikes and riders in the late (18)90s, due to their speed. Fun fact,
> the movie was also responsible for linking the term Critical Mass to
> cycling--at an early showing in San Francisco, a group of activists picked
> up on George Bliss's use of the term to describe a phenomena in China
> involving bike riders at intersections. I got my Ibis as payment for a few
> ads they took in my magazine at the time, *In Traffic, The Metro Cycling
> Journal.*
>
> Here it is on the web:
>
> 
> https://youtu.be/K1DUaWJ6KGc
>
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> My dirty little secret is I'm really not a fan of anything but the most
>> basic names like Road or Mountain, and traditional sounding stuff like
>> Clubman. Although the best name ever was the Ibis Scorcher. Scorcher is
>> untouchable.
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/
> msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e535d2e9-4038-4342-ac0b-
> ab279efed71eo%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAG55tTY1k7yLJV2U%3DtTAdM%3DUHvA0ASDz%3DBRC56ySq1D5sOp%3DdQ%40mail.gmail.com.

[RBW] List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

[Cyclofiend Jim]

First - I want to thank everyone who took the time to share their views 
directly or through the other "OT" thread. It is humbling to know that you 
care enough about this community to have strong feelings, and it feels like 
everyone has the underlying desire to make this group a better place. 

That got me thinking about what purpose this group serves. 

At the time of its creation, it was, in my mind, a refuge. 
I used the analogy of a "neutral ground" social gathering place - a pub 
where everyone left their weapons outside and agreed to find similar 
interests rather than inflame differences. 

The tone and tenor of the internet at that time had shifted a bit from the 
generally helpful tone (of say Sheldon Brown's expansive resources) to a 
more caustic approach (anyone remember rec.bicycles...?) and I felt it was 
important to create a supportive refuge. (There were other issues too which 
had to do with RBW's email list and such, but I don't want to digress...).

Things have continued to change since 2007, of course. It's very difficult 
to have a reasonable conversation using only printed words in the best of 
times. Recently we have not been experiencing the best of times. 

So, that's what we have here, today. These times. Our group. 

Does this group matter? Is it important? Is the idea of a refuge viable? Is 
everyone so wired and induced to react that we cannot give one another the 
space to be wrong?

I'm not sure I can answer any of those questions today, and ultimately they 
are maybe not all that important. 

I do know the following:

- I have two blunt tools at my disposal for wrangling this group - deleting 
things and setting moderating levels for members. 
- I have limited time to manage this group (not a change - just a statement 
of fact).
- I can also remove members, though I've only had to do that a few times in 
the history of this group.

I've always felt this group isn't for everyone. iBob is a much more 
free-wheeling, broadly raucous group. I suspect there are groups and 
threads and gatherings on Discord, Facebook, TikTok, WhatsApp, twitter and 
a bunch of other places I'm not hip enough to know about, where bicycles 
are discussed alongside religion, politics, economic theory and other firey 
topics. 

This group - and the individual members who make it up - have lurched into 
and out of strong disagreement many times. Some of you I've known - through 
the old rec.bicycles groups - for more than 25 years. Which is kind of 
weird to write. So, I kind of shake my head and know that you'll 
self-correct, or understand a larger context where your most recent - and 
sometimes quite flippant and unfortunate - comment lives. But newer members 
may not know that, and don't understand us (any of us) to that degree.

I ask those of you who have been here a long time and remain active to act 
with a little more car before pressing "Post" or clicking "Send". Everyone 
is on edge right now and it doesn't take much to spark responses.

Which brings me back to wanting this group to remain a place of neutral 
ground. 

To that end, and to ratchet things down, here are a few thoughts:

- For the next month (through end of July), let's truncate our email 
"footer" - name is fine, location if you want, even what Rivendell you ride 
or lust for. But let's excise any exhaltations, quotes, passages, 
businesses, links or other non-name-rank-serial number level info. 
- Please do not start non-RBW _bicycle_  threads. I will likely simply 
delete them for a while.
- Ride reports encouraged, as always. It helps offset the buy/sell posts 
which proliferate here. 

Finally, a reminder - a thread continues only as long as people comment 
upon it. Nothing wrong with letting someone else have the last word.

Be well, stay safe.

- Jim / list admin




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ad08c06f-85e2-4117-a781-b94448bd9632o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

My bike is bragging that it shared a rack with your Appaloosa back before it 
was the star it is today! 
Them bikes are looking splendid Roberta, enjoy
-Kai

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/db744e0a-fed9-4e35-b482-cff3b8493db2o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Hot Waxing Chains

[eddietheflay]

it is kinda of interesting the high percentage of relatively high praise 
for NFS. i like it a lot but can't quantify why. it just seems to work 
really well.

On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 4:18:22 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, 
> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>
> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I 
> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I 
> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing 
> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), 
> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my 
> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot 
> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>
> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, 
> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil 
> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the 
> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first 
> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil 
> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new 
> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of 
> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off 
> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; 
> and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner 
> and reduce wear?
>
> Your experience, appreciated.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/edb1a837-574a-4532-b6ed-e6dfe41faf75o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Next Level Clementine

[George Schick]

If the sound is coming from the rear it's probably coming from the spring 
loaded pawls in cassette body rubbing against the ratchets when you coast. 
 From what I've read, Bitex uses 6 pawls; many manufacturers have only 
three.  The noise varies all over the place.  Shimano hubs are almost 
silent.  DT used to make one that was so loud that it sounded like a 
machine gun - you could hear it a block away.

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 6:29:23 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> Shoot, Mark, I didn’t answer your questions. The sound comes from the rear 
> hub; it’s a Bitex, and it sounds like a fishing rod. Rimsummm...the 
> shiny kind! Who the heck knows what they are - *I* sure don’t! I know I’m 
> always disappointing folks around here but you’re used to it. I didn’t 
> weigh the wheels and bars either, so add that to the list of 
> transgressions. 
>
> Where’s James? Candice? They may chime in 🤣

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b76523bf-229f-49c8-a963-ee22b6d863edo%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] FS: Nitto R10 rear bag support and Pletscher Clem w/ pannier rails

[Conway Bennett]

Like it says.  I buy racks and don't use them so FS are my Nitto R10 rear bag 
support with extra struts and a Pletscher Clem rack with pannier rails.  

$85 for the Nitto R10 and $46 for the Pletscher.  

Preference will be given to local sales in Chicago AND known quantities on this 
list.  I had a negative experience with a sale here recently so lurkers need 
not apply.  And because of that experience, no more free shipping, you will 
have to sort it out.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway
LGP

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/41004281-ebce-4970-aef9-e1f4c05960a5o%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

[Takashi]

Nitto and Blue Lug are developing new lowrider racks.
Their Instagram post says that new racks will be announced soon.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBDVw4oDCW8/

Takashi

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/757c5bf7-08f9-45f9-893c-87f29a388501o%40googlegroups.com.