date:20221213

My feelings, exactly. I put Rene Herse braze-on centerpull brakes, a Rene 
Herse crank and Curtis Odom hubs on my Rivendell Custom. I would have put a 
Nivex on it also, had it been available. I would still be way under the 
price of top of the line modern electronic CF road bike. Rene Herse did a 
series of custom steel bikes (and carbon fiber) and they sold out like 2021 
Rivendells. Aren't new Dura-Ace rear derailleurs $650+? And they aren't 
even desmodromic.
I can afford the finest bike (my standards) in the world, but I drive a 
manual transmission Honda Fit EX HFP.

Laing

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Readers of this list who also enjoy film cameras will see some parallels 
> between this derailleur and the newly released Leica M6 (or older cameras 
> like the Leica M3, which dates back to 1954 and is still widely sought 
> after and used). Yes, there are innumerable modern cameras that have 
> automated features that were only dreamt of back in the day, but camera 
> lovers (I am one) often appreciate the look and feel of a classic, fully 
> mechanical piece of equipment. Even old lenses are nowadays revered for the 
> classic way they render images, even if on paper they’re less sharp and 
> exact than modern ones.
>
> The new Nivex is like that. It’s not indexed, or carbon fiber, or 
> electronic, and it won’t even fit on 99.9% of the bikes out there. But it 
> harkens back to the golden age of handbuilt bicycles and allows one to 
> re-live that era, if only in a small way. Operating the push/pull lever on 
> the Nivex is like pressing the shutter on a classic mechanical camera and 
> hearing the intricate machinery inside turn that action into a very 
> satisfying shutter movement. If you don’t understand why that’s important, 
> you shouldn’t buy an old camera … or a Nivex.
>
> Just like Leica will likely sell every single new M6 that they can make 
> (even at $6,000 each), I’m sure (as has been reported here on this list 
> already) that Rene Herse will sell every one of the new Nivexes.
>
> If I was getting a new custom bike made, I would consider one. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Laing pointed out that the shift levers are sold out.
>
> So is the derailer itself!  At least this morning (December 13, 2022) it 
> is.  
>
> This is never going to be a high volume part.  Plan your next $15000 
> custom bike around it, or gaze from a distance...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> Except that the shift levers are sold out!
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
>>> components like this being made!
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even 
 at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
 different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
 KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
 Nivex Rear 
 
 [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]

 For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my 
 ship comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I 
 see the new Riv rear derailer. 

 Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Jay Lonner

I’m sympathetic to the cyclotouriste-inspired aesthetic, but agree that it seems like a very niche setup that is prone to instant obsolescence if RH stops making spare parts. If I were in the market for a new bike requiring custom fittings for a novel shifting system I’d just go for a Rohloff, recognizing that given Grant’s stance on IGHs it wouldn’t be a Rivendell.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Brian Forsee wrote:This thing looks cool but as a whole i think it's exceptionally silly. It may be better protected than a standard der but its still prone to being broken or bent. Then what? Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down the line? Same goes for the shifter. I expect some people with a huge investment in this thing and their frame will find themselves SOL in the future. I also think derailleurs work plenty well and don't need that much improving. If you want the 'experience' RH is referring to, just friction shift.The best thing about this is it makes the Riv derailleur project look very reasonable all of a sudden.On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:29:49 AM UTC-6 Berkeleyan wrote:To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.- Andrew, BerkeleyOn Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote:The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. Nivex RearFor a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see the new Riv rear derailer. Marty

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-13 Thread James M

Whoa - the adjusters on those Breezer brake levers!

(Super interesting thread overall!)

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:53:02 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Echoing Shoji's message, I love the diagonal tubes on the Hunqs (and 
> Bombadils) that had them. 
>
> Thanks for mentioning Joe Breeze. Grant has spoken often of Breeze and the 
> original Breezer 1. I can't imagine it was not a design inspiration for the 
> Hunqapillar. 
>
> The Breezer 1 is in the Smithsonian Museum of American History. I attached 
> a photo and the build list of the original, which is a fantastically 
> interesting historical document. Check out the reinforced fork on that 
> thing!! The build list states that the weight as configured was 38 pounds. 
> It's from 1977, yet it still seems so familiar and current given how folks 
> outfit their Rivs.  
>
> You can find more info at the Smithsonian 
> .
>
> Jim
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:07:39 AM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> For me, the Hunqapillar diagatube was a visual draw-- I liked it better 
>> than the parallel-to-top-tube bar of the Bombadil.
>>
>> The diagatube reminds me of the original Joe Breeze mountain bike frame: 
>>
>> https://mmbhof.org/portfolio/first-fat-tire-bike-with-a-new-frame-and-all-new-parts/
>>
>> Additional tubes have been around for a long time in bicycle history, 
>> some for functional reasons and others for style. (E.g., google cargo bikes)
>>
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:49:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> I've also thought the diagonal tube to look odd except on the very 
>>> largest of frames for the very largest of riders.  They seem reminiscent of 
>>> the original Santana Sovereign tandems, where they seemed to make some 
>>> sense.  I remember Santana claiming the "marathon" style to be the stiffest 
>>> configuration for a tandem per all sorts of tests they performed.  Later, 
>>> it seems everyone, including Santana, shifted to a diagonal tube running to 
>>> the rear bottom bracket and, nowadays, most tandems have dispensed with the 
>>> diagonal tube.  It all leaves me wondering...
>>>
>>> In a quick search for some history on the "marathon" style I found this 
>>> on the Rodriguez site: "so this design kind of went the way of the Ford 
>>> Edsel in our shop."  I couldn't quickly find the origins of the style but 
>>> it seems the tandem industry abandoned the design long before Rivendell 
>>> applied it to singles.  It has always been a bit of a curiosity to me as, 
>>> even for a tandem, it is considered over-built these days.
>>>
>>> [image: loaded santana.jpg]
>>> 1980 Santana Sovereign.  I remember crossing paths with a couple 
>>> honeymooning on their Rodriguez tandem.  I can't remember if it was a 
>>> marathon.  I am now noticing that the additional Rivendell stays extend to 
>>> the rear dropouts rather than to the seat stays' mid section.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:46:22 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The Bombadil(60 cm w/700c wheels, parallel TT) is the only frame I 
 really much paid attention to and bought, albeit from a list member in 
 2011. I'm pretty sure they were all customer choice paint jobs, save and 
 specials, returns, cancels and such.

 I recall also that the Bomba tubes were heat treated, not sure about 
 the Hunq but I'd be surprised if they were. Only GP knows what tubes cost 
 what. Plus the fancy lugs. I have no idea about the Hunqa frames lugs but 
 the Bombas sure are fancy, if that's you're thing. I don't ride a Riv for 
 the rep/status or the paint jobs or even the looks, I have two because 
 they 
 fit me well and they're steel. I'm outside the bounds of most every stock 
 Riv bike and yet those two worked(Susie is the other). That's about it. 
 I'm 
 all for Practicability. 

 While the Hunqapillar was touted as a Bomba replacement, it was only 
 that in category as the frame itself was totally different in dimensions 
 and sizes, not to mention the diagonal tube which still looks odd to me. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Bill Lindsay

bmfo  used two question marks in a post, but I'm not sure whether the 
questions were sincere or rhetorical.  They were:

"its still prone to being broken or bent. Then what? "  Then the owner of 
that $15000 custom built bike will buy replacement parts from Rene Herse
"Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down the line? "  That's 
exactly what Rene Herse has promised.  Just like they promised to stock 
their proprietary chainrings for their premier crankset.  Compare that to 
EVERY OTHER rear derailleur in existence today.  None of them are 
completely rebuildable, and none of them come with a manufacturer 
commitment to offer all replacement parts in perpetuity.  I don't blame 
anybody who thinks Rene Herse will be out of business in 10-15 years.  
Choosing current disposable rear derailleurs with standard fitment is an 
excellent hedge against future replacement needs.  

The advice I have to every cyclist in 2022:  If you think you may need a 
particular replacement part down the road, buy it today, because it might 
not be around when you need it.  If I was planning a $15000 custom bike 
around this RD, I would probably buy a second copy of it.  If I was willing 
to buy a $15000 bicycle, I could afford a spare rear der.  

In my book Jan and Grant are exactly the same.  Both took enormous time, 
effort and expense to execute a project they believe in.  Neither will make 
money for their companies.  Neither was a publicity stunt.  They just 
believed in something and decided to do it.  Both think all current 
derailers are great.  Both wanted to offer an alternative choice.  Both 
would not have bothered if such a thing was available today.   If you want 
one, buy one.  If you don't want one, no problem.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> This thing looks cool but as a whole i think it's exceptionally silly. It 
> may be better protected than a standard der but its still prone to being 
> broken or bent. Then what? Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down 
> the line? Same goes for the shifter. I expect some people with a huge 
> investment in this thing and their frame will find themselves SOL in the 
> future. I also think derailleurs work plenty well and don't need that much 
> improving. If you want the 'experience' RH is referring to, just friction 
> shift.
>
> The best thing about this is it makes the Riv derailleur project look very 
> reasonable all of a sudden.
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:29:49 AM UTC-6 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the 
>> shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires 
>> retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that 
>> mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a 
>> new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even 
>>> at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>>> Nivex Rear 
>>> 
>>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

Readers of this list who also enjoy film cameras will see some parallels 
between this derailleur and the newly released Leica M6 (or older cameras like 
the Leica M3, which dates back to 1954 and is still widely sought after and 
used). Yes, there are innumerable modern cameras that have automated features 
that were only dreamt of back in the day, but camera lovers (I am one) often 
appreciate the look and feel of a classic, fully mechanical piece of equipment. 
Even old lenses are nowadays revered for the classic way they render images, 
even if on paper they’re less sharp and exact than modern ones.

The new Nivex is like that. It’s not indexed, or carbon fiber, or electronic, 
and it won’t even fit on 99.9% of the bikes out there. But it harkens back to 
the golden age of handbuilt bicycles and allows one to re-live that era, if 
only in a small way. Operating the push/pull lever on the Nivex is like 
pressing the shutter on a classic mechanical camera and hearing the intricate 
machinery inside turn that action into a very satisfying shutter movement. If 
you don’t understand why that’s important, you shouldn’t buy an old camera … or 
a Nivex.

Just like Leica will likely sell every single new M6 that they can make (even 
at $6,000 each), I’m sure (as has been reported here on this list already) that 
Rene Herse will sell every one of the new Nivexes.

If I was getting a new custom bike made, I would consider one. 

--Eric Norris
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> On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Laing pointed out that the shift levers are sold out.
> 
> So is the derailer itself!  At least this morning (December 13, 2022) it is.  
> 
> This is never going to be a high volume part.  Plan your next $15000 custom 
> bike around it, or gaze from a distance...
> 
> BL in EC
> 
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>> Except that the shift levers are sold out!
>> 
>> Laing
>> 
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>>> Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
>>> components like this being made!
>>> 
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
 The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
 $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
 different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
 KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
 Nivex Rear 

 For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
 comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
 the new Riv rear derailer. 

 Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

Pm’ed you.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 13, 2022, at 11:34 AM, Hoch in ut wrote:I’ve run both Ehline 2.5” and Honcho 2.6” on Cliffhanger rims. Both measured just about true to indicated. Zero issues setting up tubeless. I’d go with Cliffhangers, personally. I actually have an almost brand new set of 29” Cliffhanger wheels, laced to SON28 and Bitex rear (100/135). I wish I had a bike to use them on but I don’t. I built them for another bike but only used them for 50 miles before selling the bike. Never even hooked up lights to the dynamo. Let me know if interested. On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:25:41 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Good to know!Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 13, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Ryan Frahm wrote:Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting next to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis tire as well. On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big difference on that though at a certain point as well. On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie. 42mm outside /.32 inside. They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I haven't had braking issues. I can detect the pinned joint at times, but it's not a detractor. They're stronger than any other rim (they're meant to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH lighter in reality than they do on paper. I wasn't too concerned about long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well. It's a good anodizing. I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too. In both cases, the blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:2mm wider.LaingOn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 mm wide.LaingDelray Beach FLOn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c rim brake rim that is a bit wider? I have not found one.

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Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

Shimano Deores are only 4mm (1/6") longer than Paul Motolites. If you want 
something longer:

[image: V brakes.JPG]

Laing

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Paul brings up an excellent point. If you plan on running the max tire 
> size on your Gus, just make sure the brake you use will clear it. I had 
> already purchased MotoLites for mine before even considering a tire size. 
> Ended up going with 2.5” Ehlines, which turned out to clear the brakes by 
> maybe 1cm. I doubt I’d feel comfortable with any less clearance just due to 
> the chances of picking up mud and rocks and sticks on chunky treads. Of 
> course, this says more about the limitations of certain brakes than it does 
> tires. With the right brake choice, you should be able to run the 2.8s no 
> problem… just keep it in mind.
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard,
> I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I don't 
> think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost certainly 
> won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to clear the 
> 2.8" G-ones.
>
> So if you want Cliffhangers on your Susie, no need to worry about the rim 
> width being a limiting factor.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail Ehline 
>> 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true “plus” 
>> bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with success. Not 
>> sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim brake rims.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?
>>
>> I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 
>> to begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within 
>> Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of 
>> "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. 
>> It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.
>>
>> I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have 
>> you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't 
>> hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...
>>
>> Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Scott in about to get very cold Montana
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose <
>> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
>> I have not found one. 
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Bill Lindsay

Laing pointed out that the shift levers are sold out.

So is the derailer itself!  At least this morning (December 13, 2022) it 
is.  

This is never going to be a high volume part.  Plan your next $15000 custom 
bike around it, or gaze from a distance...

BL in EC

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> Except that the shift levers are sold out!
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
>> components like this being made!
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even 
>>> at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>>> Nivex Rear 
>>> 
>>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Brian Forsee

This thing looks cool but as a whole i think it's exceptionally silly. It 
may be better protected than a standard der but its still prone to being 
broken or bent. Then what? Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down 
the line? Same goes for the shifter. I expect some people with a huge 
investment in this thing and their frame will find themselves SOL in the 
future. I also think derailleurs work plenty well and don't need that much 
improving. If you want the 'experience' RH is referring to, just friction 
shift.

The best thing about this is it makes the Riv derailleur project look very 
reasonable all of a sudden.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:29:49 AM UTC-6 Berkeleyan wrote:

> To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the 
> shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires 
> retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that 
> mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a 
> new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>> Nivex Rear 
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread Brian Turner

Paul brings up an excellent point. If you plan on running the max tire size on your Gus, just make sure the brake you use will clear it. I had already purchased MotoLites for mine before even considering a tire size. Ended up going with 2.5” Ehlines, which turned out to clear the brakes by maybe 1cm. I doubt I’d feel comfortable with any less clearance just due to the chances of picking up mud and rocks and sticks on chunky treads. Of course, this says more about the limitations of certain brakes than it does tires. With the right brake choice, you should be able to run the 2.8s no problem… just keep it in mind.On Dec 13, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Paul Clifton wrote:Richard,I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I don't think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost certainly won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to clear the 2.8" G-ones.So if you want Cliffhangers on your Susie, no need to worry about the rim width being a limiting factor.Paul in AROn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail Ehline 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true “plus” bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with success. Not sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim brake rims.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 to begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.Best,Scott in about to get very cold Montana

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose wrote:

2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c rim brake rim that is a bit wider? I have not found one.

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Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread Paul Clifton

Richard,
I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I don't 
think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost certainly 
won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to clear the 
2.8" G-ones.

So if you want Cliffhangers on your Susie, no need to worry about the rim 
width being a limiting factor.

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail Ehline 
> 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true “plus” 
> bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with success. Not 
> sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim brake rims.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?
>
> I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 to 
> begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within 
> Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of 
> "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. 
> It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.
>
> I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have 
> you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't 
> hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...
>
> Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.
>
> Best,
>
> Scott in about to get very cold Montana
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose <
> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
> I have not found one. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

I don't know.  Like  @frahm30 (sorry, don't know your actual name) said, I 
think rider weight might have a lot to do with it.  I had RTPs on my All 
Rounder, using 17mm rims, and absolutely hated it.   I moved them over to 
an old mountain bike with wider rims and they're great.   On the narrow 
rims, I had to pump them up so high to avoid squirming while cornering that 
it felt like I was riding on a pair of basketballs.  Bouncing down the 
road.  Before 2.6 and 2.8 tires were a thing, I settled on 2.4 Ardents on 
Velocity Dually rims as my mtb tire of choice, because I liked what the 
over-size rim did for them.   I could air them down as far as I wanted, 
without worry about rolling a tire off the rim.   (This is where I do 
appreciate  tubeless, because I'd get pinch flats otherwise.)Part of my 
preferences might be influenced by my huge fear of rolling tires though.  
Any squirm or collapsing of the sidewall  send shudders through me and 
makes me ride tentatively.  I've rolled tires right off the rim a couple of 
times, and have never recovered physically from one of the resultant 
accidents. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:05:16 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> IME: type or riding pending rim width in popular bike market is a bit 
> inflated. I run 2.5's on 19mm inner width with no issues. Ive ran rat traps 
> on 17mm inner width tires. The main issue is rolling at low pressure if 
> running tubeless. I've gotten over the perks of tubeless because I like to 
> self service my bike. With tubes if the pressure is kept in check I've had 
> no issues. 
>
> Ive also asked Jam Heine about this early on when rat traps came out. The 
> width changes the tire shape and ride characteristics. A narrower rim gives 
> better pneumatic suspension, restricts footprint,  but will roll at low 
> pressure. Wider rims spreads tires giving a larger foot print, ability to 
> run lower pressure without rolling, but sacrifice some of the squish. 
>
> I wouldn't run narrow rims on a downhill bike with 2.6 tires. But for slow 
> trail mashing over rocks and roots.
>
> I think that bike industry wants to cover it's ass for legal reasons and 
> sell you specialty parts. There's a lot of wiggle room. 
>
> *Based on experience and opinions. There are a lot of variables in play 
> here, so it's not going to be universal for everyone. Just a counter point 
> to everyone thinking they need 25mm internal width rims. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:35:02 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Interesting. I can’t imagine not having tubeless with bigger tires 
>> especially. Been tubeless for about 10 years and have never had one issue. 
>> I did have trouble with my first set needing to be pumped back up every few 
>> days for the first month or so. A shop set those up though. I have found 
>> that using a tube for a quick ride to make sure the tape is set to be a 
>> key. Shops do not take the time for that. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:25:41 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting 
>>> next to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis 
>>> tire as well. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
 Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 

 As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
 braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen 
 plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) 
 rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with 
 the 
 tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big 
 difference on that though at a certain point as well. 

 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside 
> /.32 inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but 
> I 
> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're 
> meant 
> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used 
> bikes 
> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit 
> on 
> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even 
> wider 
> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be h

[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Berkeleyan

To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the 
shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires 
retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that 
mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a 
new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
> Nivex Rear 
> 
> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>
> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

2022-12-13 Thread Mackenzy Albright

I find a more slack seat tube I run my saddle a bit lower than a steeper 
counterpart. 

Ride whatever is comfortable. Don't worry too much about stand over. French 
fit looks great. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:59:19 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jay, I noticed your mention of the Pedaling Innovations Catalyst pedal. If 
> you are using a mid-foot position on your pedals ( I do) you may need to 
> adjust your saddle down 2-3 cm. I discovered this on my own then confirmed 
> it with Pedaling Innovations. For this and other reasons I do not favor the 
> PBH method of determining saddle height. It’s more a guideline than a rule. 
> I have used the knee slightly bent at bottom of stroke for 50 years without 
> injury or incident.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit. 
> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have 
> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>
>
> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size 
> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost. 
> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For 
> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to 
> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my 
> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird, 
> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and 
> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe 
> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of 
> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is 
> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest. 
>
> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle 
> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at 
> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and 
> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a 
> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors 
> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations 
> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the 
> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Mackenzy Albright

My assumption is this der setup would be a lifelong purchase? Seems like 
most bikes that had this originally are still functioning. I'd imagine it'd 
Pay for itself on a bike that was owned and ridden for manymany years. 

I think it's beautiful. I won't buy one any time soon. But if I ever win 
the lottery. First superfluous bike purchase. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:06:56 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> The shift lever looks as though it would have to be mounted only to a 
> downtube shift boss, guessing one might have to forgo bar-end shifting.
>
> Scott
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The price point + the added cost of having to modify a frame with the 
>> proprietary braze-on it needs to mount it would make this impractical 
>> beyond the derailleur cost alone for most folks.
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was 
>> adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather 
>> than something artistic that no one bought. 
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.
>>>
>>> After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv 
>>> derailer will cost. 
>>>
>>> shoji
>>> arlington ma
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
 I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and 
 one is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of 
 those added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.

 Bill S
 San Diego

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock 
> band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called 
> "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title 
> until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high 
> class" 
> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity 
> of 
> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount 
> of 
> over or under inflating can change that. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread Mackenzy Albright

IME: type or riding pending rim width in popular bike market is a bit 
inflated. I run 2.5's on 19mm inner width with no issues. Ive ran rat traps 
on 17mm inner width tires. The main issue is rolling at low pressure if 
running tubeless. I've gotten over the perks of tubeless because I like to 
self service my bike. With tubes if the pressure is kept in check I've had 
no issues. 

Ive also asked Jam Heine about this early on when rat traps came out. The 
width changes the tire shape and ride characteristics. A narrower rim gives 
better pneumatic suspension, restricts footprint,  but will roll at low 
pressure. Wider rims spreads tires giving a larger foot print, ability to 
run lower pressure without rolling, but sacrifice some of the squish. 

I wouldn't run narrow rims on a downhill bike with 2.6 tires. But for slow 
trail mashing over rocks and roots.

I think that bike industry wants to cover it's ass for legal reasons and 
sell you specialty parts. There's a lot of wiggle room. 

*Based on experience and opinions. There are a lot of variables in play 
here, so it's not going to be universal for everyone. Just a counter point 
to everyone thinking they need 25mm internal width rims. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:35:02 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting. I can’t imagine not having tubeless with bigger tires 
> especially. Been tubeless for about 10 years and have never had one issue. 
> I did have trouble with my first set needing to be pumped back up every few 
> days for the first month or so. A shop set those up though. I have found 
> that using a tube for a quick ride to make sure the tape is set to be a 
> key. Shops do not take the time for that. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:25:41 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good to know!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting 
>> next to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis 
>> tire as well. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 
>>>
>>> As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
>>> braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen 
>>> plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) 
>>> rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the 
>>> tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big 
>>> difference on that though at a certain point as well. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>

 I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside 
 /.32 inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but 
 I 
 haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
 it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
 to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
 lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
 long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
 from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
 blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
 the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even 
 wider 
 and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 

 Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
 years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> 2mm wider.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
>> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 
>> 32 
>> mm wide.
>>
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the 
>>> venerable Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is 
>>> a 
>>> bit wider? I have not found one.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread Ryan Frahm

Interesting. I can’t imagine not having tubeless with bigger tires 
especially. Been tubeless for about 10 years and have never had one issue. 
I did have trouble with my first set needing to be pumped back up every few 
days for the first month or so. A shop set those up though. I have found 
that using a tube for a quick ride to make sure the tape is set to be a 
key. Shops do not take the time for that. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:25:41 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good to know!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting 
> next to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis 
> tire as well. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 
>>
>> As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
>> braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen 
>> plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) 
>> rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the 
>> tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big 
>> difference on that though at a certain point as well. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside 
>>> /.32 inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
>>> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
>>> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
>>> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
>>> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
>>> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>>>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
>>> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
>>> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
>>> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
>>> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>>>
>>> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
>>> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
 2mm wider.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
> mm wide.
>
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit 
>> wider? 
>> I have not found one.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread Hoch in ut

I’ve run both Ehline 2.5” and Honcho 2.6” on Cliffhanger rims. Both 
measured just about true to indicated. Zero issues setting up tubeless. I’d 
go with Cliffhangers, personally. 

I actually have an almost brand new set of 29” Cliffhanger wheels, laced to 
SON28 and Bitex rear (100/135). I wish I had a bike to use them on but I 
don’t. I built them for another bike but only used them for 50 miles before 
selling the bike. Never even hooked up lights to the dynamo. Let me know if 
interested. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:25:41 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good to know!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting 
> next to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis 
> tire as well. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 
>>
>> As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
>> braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen 
>> plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) 
>> rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the 
>> tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big 
>> difference on that though at a certain point as well. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside 
>>> /.32 inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
>>> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
>>> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
>>> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
>>> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
>>> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>>>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
>>> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
>>> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
>>> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
>>> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>>>
>>> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
>>> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
 2mm wider.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
> mm wide.
>
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit 
>> wider? 
>> I have not found one.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

Good to know!Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 13, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Ryan Frahm wrote:Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting next to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis tire as well. On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big difference on that though at a certain point as well. On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie. 42mm outside /.32 inside. They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I haven't had braking issues. I can detect the pinned joint at times, but it's not a detractor. They're stronger than any other rim (they're meant to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH lighter in reality than they do on paper. I wasn't too concerned about long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well. It's a good anodizing. I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too. In both cases, the blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:2mm wider.LaingOn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 mm wide.LaingDelray Beach FLOn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c rim brake rim that is a bit wider? I have not found one.

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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

The Dominators aren't technically tubeless.  I suppose ghetto technique is 
always an option.  I've decided I hate tubeless though, and am reverting to 
tubes on my bikes that are tubeless.  On my Susie, I used some of those 
new-at-the-time polyurethane tubes from Tubolito, to save weight.  I can't 
technically endorse these because they're not supposed to be used with rim 
brakes.  But, once again, I've had no issues and am super happy with them.  
I just don't bomb downhills where Id generate high brake temps..   It's a 
joy to NEVER have to pump up your tires... in contrast to tubelss where I 
have to do it all the time.  I figure the bigger volume helps dissipate 
heat, too.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:07:31 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 
>
> As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
> braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen 
> plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) 
> rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the 
> tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big 
> difference on that though at a certain point as well. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside /.32 
>> inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
>> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
>> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
>> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
>> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
>> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
>> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
>> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
>> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
>> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>>
>> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
>> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 2mm wider.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
 Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
 mm wide.


 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit 
> wider? 
> I have not found one.



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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

I should add:  i built my wheels while waiting for my first-run susie to 
arrive.  (I think I got the rims before the pre-sale even)
  I wanted to max out tire width and couldn't imagine a 2.8 tire working 
well on a cliffhanger.  I like wide rim-to-tire ratios for numerous 
reasons.  Now that I've done it, I feel like 2.8 is too much tire for this 
bike.  At least with the V speedster tires I have.  They steer funny and 
raise the bb too much.  So now I'm looking for a good 2.6 tire  which I 
think will be about right.  I just haven't found a tread pattern that 
appeals to me.  My humble, layman's prediction this size is likely where 
the industry will shake out, and tires will be available for a long time, 
too.  It's rare that I ever feel like a bike has more tire clearance than I 
need  but this was a pleasant exception.  So narrower rims "might" have 
worked for me too.

"
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:01:29 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside /.32 
> inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>
> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> 2mm wider.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
>>> mm wide.
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
 Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
 I have not found one.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread Ryan Frahm

Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting next 
to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis tire 
as well. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 
>
> As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
> braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen 
> plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) 
> rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the 
> tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big 
> difference on that though at a certain point as well. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside /.32 
>> inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
>> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
>> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
>> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
>> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
>> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
>> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
>> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
>> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
>> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>>
>> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
>> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 2mm wider.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
 Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
 mm wide.


 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit 
> wider? 
> I have not found one.



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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread Ryan Frahm

Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 

As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen plenty 
of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) rim so i 
wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the tire 
pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big difference on 
that though at a certain point as well. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside /.32 
> inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>
> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> 2mm wider.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
>>> mm wide.
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
 Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
 I have not found one.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread greenteadrinkers

The shift lever looks as though it would have to be mounted only to a 
downtube shift boss, guessing one might have to forgo bar-end shifting.

Scott

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The price point + the added cost of having to modify a frame with the 
> proprietary braze-on it needs to mount it would make this impractical 
> beyond the derailleur cost alone for most folks.
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was 
> adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather 
> than something artistic that no one bought. 
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
>> I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.
>>
>> After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv 
>> derailer will cost. 
>>
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one 
>>> is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those 
>>> added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock 
 band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called 
 "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title 
 until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high 
 class" 
 resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
 "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
 worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
 Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount 
 of 
 over or under inflating can change that. 



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Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail Ehline 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true “plus” bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with success. Not sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim brake rims.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 to begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.Best,Scott in about to get very cold Montana

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose wrote:

2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c rim brake rim that is a bit wider? I have not found one.

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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside /.32 
inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
 It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 

Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of years, 
but can try to take some more if you're interested.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> 2mm wider.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
>> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
>> mm wide.
>>
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
>>> I have not found one.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?
I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 to
begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within
Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of
"recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. It's
not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.
I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have you got
a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't hesitate to
run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...
Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.
Best,
Scott in about to get very cold Montana

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wrote:

2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable
Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c rim brake rim that is a bit wider? I
have not found one.

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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

2mm wider.

Laing

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
> mm wide.
>
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
>> I have not found one.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the Hubbuhubbuh, 
Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 mm wide.


Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
> I have not found one.

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[RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
I have not found one.

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

2022-12-13 Thread Slin

Luke  - I won't be in town for the 31/1st, but I'll join in on later dates 
for sure!

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Eric – it’d be fun to ch3ck out your neck of the woods. 
>
> Jay – into it. Also suuuper game for Marin-based rides, too. I love it up 
> there. Just did Bolinas Ridge on my Atlantis. 
>
> Zac – sick!
>
> It goes without saying that having a Riv or riding a Riv to hang out is 
> super not required.
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> into it. 31st or 1st works for me if it gets nailed down. 
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-8 Jay P wrote:
>>
>>> I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to meet some 
>>> of yous
>>>
>>> Jay P
>>>
>>> Marin
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love to see if 
 anyone would want to have a little ride in the coming week(s). Perhaps 
 even 
 a New Year’s day ride to celebrate in the new year in style?

 I’m in the City proper and was thinking about some mixed terrain around 
 town while keeping it mostly road-ish so that no one’s limited by the ride 
 route. Pastries + hot drinks + more snacks?

 I’d love to hear from anyone interested or even connect with other 
 like-minded people for more than just a one-off ride. 💕

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-13 Thread Shoji Takahashi

For me, the Hunqapillar diagatube was a visual draw-- I liked it better 
than the parallel-to-top-tube bar of the Bombadil.

The diagatube reminds me of the original Joe Breeze mountain bike frame: 
https://mmbhof.org/portfolio/first-fat-tire-bike-with-a-new-frame-and-all-new-parts/

Additional tubes have been around for a long time in bicycle history, some 
for functional reasons and others for style. (E.g., google cargo bikes)

shoji
arlington ma



On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:49:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:

> I've also thought the diagonal tube to look odd except on the very largest 
> of frames for the very largest of riders.  They seem reminiscent of the 
> original Santana Sovereign tandems, where they seemed to make some sense.  
> I remember Santana claiming the "marathon" style to be the stiffest 
> configuration for a tandem per all sorts of tests they performed.  Later, 
> it seems everyone, including Santana, shifted to a diagonal tube running to 
> the rear bottom bracket and, nowadays, most tandems have dispensed with the 
> diagonal tube.  It all leaves me wondering...
>
> In a quick search for some history on the "marathon" style I found this on 
> the Rodriguez site: "so this design kind of went the way of the Ford Edsel 
> in our shop."  I couldn't quickly find the origins of the style but it 
> seems the tandem industry abandoned the design long before Rivendell 
> applied it to singles.  It has always been a bit of a curiosity to me as, 
> even for a tandem, it is considered over-built these days.
>
> [image: loaded santana.jpg]
> 1980 Santana Sovereign.  I remember crossing paths with a couple 
> honeymooning on their Rodriguez tandem.  I can't remember if it was a 
> marathon.  I am now noticing that the additional Rivendell stays extend to 
> the rear dropouts rather than to the seat stays' mid section.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:46:22 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> The Bombadil(60 cm w/700c wheels, parallel TT) is the only frame I really 
>> much paid attention to and bought, albeit from a list member in 2011. I'm 
>> pretty sure they were all customer choice paint jobs, save and specials, 
>> returns, cancels and such.
>>
>> I recall also that the Bomba tubes were heat treated, not sure about the 
>> Hunq but I'd be surprised if they were. Only GP knows what tubes cost what. 
>> Plus the fancy lugs. I have no idea about the Hunqa frames lugs but the 
>> Bombas sure are fancy, if that's you're thing. I don't ride a Riv for the 
>> rep/status or the paint jobs or even the looks, I have two because they fit 
>> me well and they're steel. I'm outside the bounds of most every stock Riv 
>> bike and yet those two worked(Susie is the other). That's about it. I'm all 
>> for Practicability. 
>>
>> While the Hunqapillar was touted as a Bomba replacement, it was only that 
>> in category as the frame itself was totally different in dimensions and 
>> sizes, not to mention the diagonal tube which still looks odd to me. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Brian Turner

The price point + the added cost of having to modify a frame with the proprietary braze-on it needs to mount it would make this impractical beyond the derailleur cost alone for most folks.On Dec 13, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Balogh wrote:I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather than something artistic that no one bought. On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi wrote:I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv derailer will cost. shojiarlington maOn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those added bits aren't available!? I'm still intrigued, though.Bill SSan DiegoOn Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of over or under inflating can change that.

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread J J

I love the image of the peanut gallery here!

So besides the price of entry for the RD itself, there is the cost of the 
lever (any other hardware?), and designing a custom built bike around it or 
retrofitting a frame with an appropriate braze-on and cable guide, which 
would probably also mean repainting the retrofitted frame or at least part 
of it. It’s a big commitment. 

The mechanism itself looks super cool, but it is also a bonafide example of 
a proprietary component, which is what makes it hard for me to consider. I 
like being able to easily swap parts out, even (or especially) fancy parts. 
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:56:18 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band I 
> listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High 
> Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until 
> right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" 
> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of 
> over or under inflating can change that. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Eliot Balogh

I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was
adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather
than something artistic that no one bought.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.
>
> After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv derailer
> will cost.
>
> shoji
> arlington ma
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one
>> is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those
>> added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band
>>> I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High
>>> Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until
>>> right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class"
>>> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's
>>> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of
>>> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of
>>> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of
>>> over or under inflating can change that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Shoji Takahashi

I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.

After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv derailer 
will cost. 

shoji
arlington ma

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:

> I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one 
> is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those 
> added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band 
>> I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High 
>> Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until 
>> right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" 
>> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
>> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
>> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
>> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of 
>> over or under inflating can change that. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH