Re: [RBW] Lambda Add-ons

[R. Alexis]

Thanks for posting this pic. I didn't know that Rivendell had the Grip 
Monarch/King pedal wings made and in stock. Been waiting for them to mount 
on the Grip Kings I have. Went ahead and ordered the Silver 2 shifters and 
mounts while I was at it. Should be here tomorrow. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-6 joshm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Was wondering what this would look like!
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 8:09 PM J Imler  wrote:
>
>> Wood and wings are a go. I used 30mm long bolts due to additional length.
>>
>> [image: image1 (1).jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[R. Alexis]

The orange one is possibly an Allrounder. They had horizontal rear drop 
outs Looks like a nice collection. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[R. Alexis]

Eric,

Nice build! Very well thought out. Nice video on the build also. Been 
looking at bike builds on YouTube. Yours is one of the better ones. Have 
fun on it. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:06:27 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
> which I shaped and finished. 
>
> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks for lookin'! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Jingy]

The orange one looks like an All-Rounder

Jim in Mpls

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:42:22 PM UTC-6 LBleriot wrote:

> I own a root beer Ram, but it has S couplers and was repainted by 
> Bilenky by its prior owner.  
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:16:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had 
>> built. You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked 
>> his 'own brand' work and would love to score one someday. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding 
>>> the Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is 
>>> such a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is 
>>> that the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
>>> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
>>> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
>>> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
>>> decals.  
>>>
>>> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
>>> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
>>> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, 
> since the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>
> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and 
> that 
> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>
> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those 
> are probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>
> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was 
> actually 
> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, 
> when 
> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>
> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at 
>> them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
>> likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to 
>> be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when 
>> I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming 
>> the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eliot Balogh]

Very interesting project. Great video as always. Thanks for sharing.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:35 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> That is a beautiful build, I love it! Hope it rides as nice as it looks!
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:07:02 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
>> Absolutely lovely build, Eric. Beautiful. Thank you for sharing!
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:20:29 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I posted a bad link to the Google Drive folder with bigger pics.
>>>
>>> This should work.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:19:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, David!

 Eric: Sorry, not for sale!

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:28:40 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Price?
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 3:17 PM, David Hays <23wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Beautiful build!
>
> David Hays
>
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on
> my partner's ancient Nikon DSLR:
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I
>> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but
>> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame
>> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the 
>> fork
>> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
>> to
>> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also
>> stripped the frame to raw steel.
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>
>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications
>> of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and
>> wax.
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>
>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver.
>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR
>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque 
>> Phelan.
>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x 
>> Nitto
>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger.
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>
>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo
>> which I shaped and finished.
>>
>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>
>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an
>> XTR M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by 
>> Andre
>> at my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a 
>> Rat
>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front.
>>
>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed
>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M.
>>
>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp
>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset
>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm
>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket
>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer
>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post
>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing
>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>
>> Larger pictures here:
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> Thanks 

Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Ryan Frahm]

That is a beautiful build, I love it! Hope it rides as nice as it looks!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:07:02 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> Absolutely lovely build, Eric. Beautiful. Thank you for sharing!
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:20:29 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I posted a bad link to the Google Drive folder with bigger pics. 
>>
>> This should work.  
>> 
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:19:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, David! 
>>>
>>> Eric: Sorry, not for sale!
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:28:40 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Price?

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jan 23, 2023, at 3:17 PM, David Hays <23wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Beautiful build!

 David Hays

 On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
 partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 

 

 

 

 

 


 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the 
> fork 
> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
> to 
> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications 
> of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and 
> wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque 
> Phelan. 
> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x 
> Nitto 
> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
> which I shaped and finished. 
>
> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an 
> XTR M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by 
> Andre 
> at my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a 
> Rat 
> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks for lookin'! 
>

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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[J J]

Absolutely lovely build, Eric. Beautiful. Thank you for sharing!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:20:29 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I posted a bad link to the Google Drive folder with bigger pics. 
>
> This should work.  
> 
>
> Thanks again!
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:19:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Thanks, David! 
>>
>> Eric: Sorry, not for sale!
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:28:40 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Price?
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2023, at 3:17 PM, David Hays <23wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beautiful build!
>>>
>>> David Hays
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
>>> partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]

 Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
 have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]

 I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
 for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
 over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork 
 and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
 to 
 the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
 stripped the frame to raw steel. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]

 Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
 patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax.
  

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]

 It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
 De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
 RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
 Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
 Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]

 I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
 which I shaped and finished. 

 [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]

 Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
 M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
 my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
 Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 

 Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
 them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 

 • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
 • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
 • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
 • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
 • Kasai 32H front hub
 • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
 • Busch + Müller light mount
 • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
 • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
 • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
 • Suntour Superbe levers
 • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
 • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
 • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
 • Dia Compe yoke hangers
 • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
 • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
 • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
 • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
 • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
 • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
 • MKS XC-III pedals
 • Suntour AR front derailer
 • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
 • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
 • Brooks Conquest saddle
 • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
 • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
 • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
 • Sim Works x Hoshi
 • M5 brass socket head screws
 • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws

 Larger pictures here: 
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing

 Thanks for lookin'! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Two Rivenell Anoraks in XXL

[Julian Westerhout]

Both now sold. Thanks all. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:41:36 PM UTC-6 Julian Westerhout wrote:

> Orange anorak has sold, blue still available. 
>
> thanks, 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:24:00 PM UTC-6 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
>> For sale are two effectively unused Rivendell MUSA windshell anoraks in 
>> size XXL -- one orange, one blue. 
>>
>> $30 each shipped w/in CONUS or both for $50 shipped w/in CONUS.  Paypal 
>> f preferred. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Two Rivenell Anoraks in XXL

[Julian Westerhout]

Orange anorak has sold, blue still available. 

thanks, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:24:00 PM UTC-6 Julian Westerhout wrote:

> For sale are two effectively unused Rivendell MUSA windshell anoraks in 
> size XXL -- one orange, one blue. 
>
> $30 each shipped w/in CONUS or both for $50 shipped w/in CONUS.  Paypal 
> f preferred. 
>
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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eric Marth]

I posted a bad link to the Google Drive folder with bigger pics. 

This should work.  


Thanks again!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:19:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Thanks, David! 
>
> Eric: Sorry, not for sale!
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:28:40 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Price?
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2023, at 3:17 PM, David Hays <23wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful build!
>>
>> David Hays
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
>> partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
>>> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
>>> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
>>> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork 
>>> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to 
>>> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
>>> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>>
>>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
>>> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax.
>>>  
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>>
>>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
>>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
>>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
>>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
>>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>>
>>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
>>> which I shaped and finished. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>>
>>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
>>> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
>>> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
>>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>>>
>>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
>>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>>>
>>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
>>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
>>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
>>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
>>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
>>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
>>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
>>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>>
>>> Larger pictures here: 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin'! 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, David! 

Eric: Sorry, not for sale!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:28:40 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Price?
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 3:17 PM, David Hays <23wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Beautiful build!
>
> David Hays
>
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
> partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
>> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
>> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
>> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
>> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
>> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
>> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>
>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
>> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax.
>>  
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>
>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>
>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
>> which I shaped and finished. 
>>
>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>
>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
>> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
>> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>>
>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>>
>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>
>> Larger pictures here: 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> Thanks for lookin'! 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[LBleriot]

I own a root beer Ram, but it has S couplers and was repainted by Bilenky 
by its prior owner.  

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:16:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had built. 
> You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked his 'own 
> brand' work and would love to score one someday. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Joe
>>
>> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding 
>> the Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is 
>> such a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is 
>> that the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
>> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
>> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
>> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
>> decals.  
>>
>> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
>> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
>> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, 
 since the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.

 The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
 explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
 and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
 long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
 suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and 
 that 
 head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
 Almost definitely not a 58.  

 Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
 probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess

 The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
 cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was 
 actually 
 the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, 
 when 
 the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
 ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  

 Those are lovely lovely bikes.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
> 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
> likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.



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[RBW] FS: Esbit cooksets

[Franklyn Wu]

I have a couple of Esbit cooksets for sale: 

   1. Esbit aluminum alloy cookset CS985HA 
   
.
 
   It can be used with both solid fuels as well as Esbit alcohol stove. It 
   doesn't come with the stove (you can get it or any other similarly 
   dimension stove for not very much). Lightly used, comes with the carry bag. 
   $25 + shipping.
   2. Esbit alumnum alloy cookset CS585HA 
   
.
 
   This is for solid fuels only. This is the 585ml version. The solid fuel 
   receptacle is a little jagged but still usable. Will include 4-6 solid fuel 
   tablets. $10 + shipping.

Pictures here: CL ad 

.

Franklyn
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Price?

--Eric Norris
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> On Jan 23, 2023, at 3:17 PM, David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Beautiful build!
> 
> David Hays
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
>> partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have a 
>>> full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
>>> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
>>> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
>>> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
>>> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
>>> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
>>> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. De-anodized 
>>> some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR RD-M952. Dead stock 
>>> WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. Lots of Suntour, 
>>> some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto Shaka bars, MKS 
>>> bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo which 
>>> I shaped and finished. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
>>> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
>>> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
>>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
>>> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>>> 
>>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
>>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
>>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
>>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
>>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
>>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
>>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
>>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>> 
>>> Larger pictures here: 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> Thanks for lookin'! 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[David Hays]

Beautiful build!

David Hays

> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
> partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have a 
> full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for the 
> saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to Rob 
> Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also stripped 
> the frame to raw steel. 
> 
> 
> 
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
> 
> 
> 
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. De-anodized 
> some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR RD-M952. Dead stock 
> WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. Lots of Suntour, some 
> TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto Shaka bars, MKS bear 
> trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
> 
> 
> 
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo which I 
> shaped and finished. 
> 
> 
> 
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR M900 
> in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at my 
> local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat Trap 
> Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
> 
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
> 
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
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> • Brooks Conquest saddle
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> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
> 
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had built. 
You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked his 'own 
brand' work and would love to score one someday. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Joe
>
> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding the 
> Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is such 
> a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is that 
> the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
> decals.  
>
> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>
> BL in EC
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
>>> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>>
>>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
>>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>>
>>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>>
>>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
>>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
>>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>>
>>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
 
  
 for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
 There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
 the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
 grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
 custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
 fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
 ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
 boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
 Thanks, everyone.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

"he couldn't read the tire sizes (I did ask),"

Ask him if he can read the names of the tires.  The two Hilsens and the 
Goodrich have Compass/Rene Herse tires on them with a clearly readable 
label.  The name of the tire guarantees the size.  Barlow Pass, Snoqualmie 
Pass,  Babyshoe Pass, etc.  

BL in EC

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:02:08 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, Bill. I got off the phone with him a bit ago, and he couldn't 
> read the tire sizes (I did ask), but he said the standover was about 33 
> 1/4" on the Ram. And he did say that he thought the bikes were bigger than 
> what the owner would normally ride. (I took this to me traditional 
> Riv-sizing." I was hoping to get there this afternoon, but I don't know if 
> that will happen now. I am also curious about that Goodrich. Hopefully I 
> get to report back soon.
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
>> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>
>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>
>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>
>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>
>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

Joe

I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding the 
Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is such 
a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is that 
the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
decals.  

It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  

BL in EC
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
>> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>
>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>
>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>
>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>
>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Tumbleweed Rack, Jones Bar, Schwalbe Tires

[Joe D.]

Get in touch if you're local to Helena, MT and want to meet and check any 
of this out (and save some shipping cash).

Tumbleweed Rack: For sale is the Tumbleweed Mini Pannier Rack, the 355mm 
version (that's the height from the lower eyelet to center of platform). 
The platform is 120mm wide by 300mm long. You can google "bikepacking.com 
tumbleweed mini pannier rack" and read all about it, and check out the 
Tumbleweed bike website for more info.

I had it on a bike last Spring and Summer, but only ever carried a load on 
it once, sadly. Ended up doing more family bikepacking and used the cargo 
bike instead of my mountain bike with this rack. Now I've moved away from 
the rack setup. It also comes with extra mounting struts. This would clear 
a 4.75" fat tire.

These retail new for $140. I'll sell for $100, shipped. This thing needs to 
be used! 

Jones Bar:   For sale is a lightly used Jones H-Bar Bend, 710mm wide. Some 
slight scuffs from brake levers, etc. This have only been on like 5 miles 
of actual single track, mostly just gravel and forest service roads. 
They're super comfortable. I have a different bike now and I don't need as 
much sweep, so I want to pass them along. I only used them last summer and 
fall. Also included are the Jones Kraton grips and unused, still-in-box 
Jones H-Bar tape.

Bars retail new for $85, grips for $22, and tape for $12.

I'll sell the whole bundle for $75, shipped.

Schwalbe Tires: Schwalbe Big Ben tires, Performance Line, Racegaurd, 26 x 
2.1. They've handled everything from asphalt to mellow gravel/dirt. I rode 
them last summer and fall for maybe 200 miles. There's a ton of life left. 
I'm only selling because I'm giving a 2.5 tire a try.

$35 for the pair, shipped.

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[RBW] Re: Paul Touring vs. Neo-retro question

[greenteadrinkers]

Thank you all for the feedback, very helpful!

Scott 

On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:09:50 PM UTC-5 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> I was familiar with the Sheldon page, but not the Zinn piece. Nice to have 
> an explanation for the old Neo-Retro warning. Thanks for the reference.
>
> --
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>
>
> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 12:40:30 PM UTC-7 cjus...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My understanding is that this is one of the cases where the physics of 
>> brake design and how they interact with the setup as related to yoke angle 
>> in this case, creates confusion because it is not just the brake design 
>> that has to be considered, but also the yoke angle's part in overall 
>> mechanical advantage.  Each brake type allows for very different yoke 
>> angles and that is why overall a touring brake has the capability to be 
>> setup with more power, if done correctly and with that purpose in mind.
>>
>> I think this article is a good one on the topic as it is actually on 
>> canti geometry:
>>
>>
>> https://www.velonews.com/gear/technical-faq-with-lennard-zinn-a-detailed-look-at-brake-shudder/
>>
>> And here is the associated Sheldon page:
>>
>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cantilever-geometry.html
>>
>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 10:38:13 AM UTC-6 rcook...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> I've used the Neo-Retro as a front brake for about ten years and have 
>>> always had great luck with it. It looks great and, at the time, I was under 
>>> the impression that the Neo-Retro was the more powerful brake—than the 
>>> Touring Canti, that is. Paul's web page for the Neo-Retro used to warn that 
>>> it's a powerful enough brake that one should make sure the frame could take 
>>> the braking force, and maybe use the Touring Canti instead if one wasn't 
>>> sure. I can no longer find that warning on the website. In any case, the 
>>> Neo-Retro is powerful enough for me and relatively easy to adjust, and it's 
>>> my first choice for a rim brake. (For some reason, likely user 
>>> error/dimwittedness, I've never had luck with linear-pull brakes, but then 
>>> I've never tried the Motolite.)
>>>
>>> I chose the Touring Canti for the rear to maximize heel and pannier 
>>> clearance. The combination works well for me, even with a full touring load 
>>> going downhill.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:12:41 PM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
 If you had to choose between the Paul Touring Canti or the Neo-Retro 
 for a front brake, which would you pick and why? 

 Curious about how much functional difference exists between the 2 
 models.

 Thanks,
 Scott

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[matt miller]

Thank you, Bill. I got off the phone with him a bit ago, and he couldn't 
read the tire sizes (I did ask), but he said the standover was about 33 
1/4" on the Ram. And he did say that he thought the bikes were bigger than 
what the owner would normally ride. (I took this to me traditional 
Riv-sizing." I was hoping to get there this afternoon, but I don't know if 
that will happen now. I am also curious about that Goodrich. Hopefully I 
get to report back soon.

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>
> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>
> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>
> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>
> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Joe Bernard]

What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>
> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>
> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>
> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>
> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.

The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at explaining.  
Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes and fit 700x32 
tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and long reach brakes 
with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me suspect that is a 
650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that head tube height 
makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  Almost definitely 
not a 58.  

Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess

The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  

Those are lovely lovely bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Back On A Platypus

[Jared Wilson]

Hey Tom,

Thanks for the love! So glad to hear you're also aboard a 60cm mermaid, 
dreamy aren't they? 

I was able to squeeze what I believe are the VO 63mm fluted fenders over 
the 2.1's on my wife's Platypus with just a hair of room, so I'd think the 
50mm GravelKing's would fit nicely under the same fenders (only 2mm larger 
than Riv recommends, which is generally on the conservative side).

Gearing is 44/36/22 right now with a 24 granny gear en route, it was the 
only ring I didn't replace when setting things up and it's giving me 
trouble so I'll be swapping it out later this week. 17t Wolf Tooth aluminum 
cog with GearClamp single speed conversion and a Paul Melvin round out the 
rest of the drivetrain.

I was 1x9 for almost all my other Rivendells and I'm thrilled with this set 
up, it's like a more refined version of my old SimpleOne.

I'm not sure I'd take it all the way with going fixed on a Platypus, but 
the 3x1 seems to be a winner for my application.

Keep us posted with what you decide to do!

Jared

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:38:31 AM UTC-8 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi Jared,
> Love your Platypus. I have a mermaid 60cm that I am smitten with. How much 
> room for fenders over the 50cm gravel kings? What is your gearing on the 
> 3x1 setup? I am running 1x10 now, but I ride a lot of single speed and some 
> fixed gear on other bikes. The way mine rides, it seems to beg for a fixed 
> gear setup. It will be effort and expense with the vertical dropouts to go 
> fixed. I may just do a 3x1 like yours for now and see if that will satisfy. 
> Tom Palmer,
> With our first snow in 2023 in Twin Lake, MI
> and already considering a second Platypus
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 6:55:01 PM UTC-5 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Through various dealings the last year I worked my way down to only a 
>> Susie, trying to convince myself that I wasn't overbiking, but I was. I 
>> didn't need the tall BB or the clearance for 2.8's for the type of riding I 
>> generally do, and for the amount of time I spend on trails it was hard to 
>> justify having so much bike.
>>
>> Some of you may remember a WTT posting from the end of '22, I was looking 
>> to trade for a 60cm Platypus to fill in the gap that was left when I gave 
>> my wife my old 60cm and we sold her 55cm. Shortly after posting I was 
>> approached by Mack with the Canadian Caveat, but we were determined to make 
>> it worthwhile for both parties. After Mack crunched some numbers and we 
>> wheeled and dealed a bit we came to an agreement and would soon have new 
>> steeds!
>>
>> I received my new to me Platypus on Thursday of last week and wasted no 
>> time getting it set up. Mack had a killer 3x1 drivetrain and I knew I'd 
>> like to try the same, so I acquired some parts and pieced it together. I'm 
>> still dialing in this set up but so far it's showing a lot of promise and I 
>> couldn't be more grateful for Mack's advice along the way.
>>
>> So here it is, as of the ride I just got back from, and I'm so happy to 
>> be back on a Platypus.
>>
>> Jared in SLO, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[brizbarn]

Nice job.  Incase anyone else is doing a similar fender job, I used a 
shradder valve cap as a spacer at the chain stay bridge fender mounting 
point to get better fender/wheel alignment.  Drilled a hole in the closed 
side and its a perfect fit. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:02:28 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thanks all! Let’s just say that if it could go wrong, it did. I was able 
> to sort it out and I’m stoked on how they look. The bike’s so big that many 
> think these tires aren’t as big as they are, especially with the addition 
> of the fenders. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:53:27 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Looks great. Enjoy staying dry and clean!
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Fenders turned out sweet, Luke. I dig the flat profile, way clean!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 10:57:09 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks much, Keith!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:57 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
>>> Great looking bike, Luke!
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here are some photos  
>>> from the shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and have decided to 
>>> leave some extra strut just in case. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
>>> I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish 
>>> the rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front 
>>> fender with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a 
>>> certain level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to 
>>> finish adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite 
>>> satisfied with the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the 
>>> daylight tomorrow for reference. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
>>> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
>>> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
>>> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
>>> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO 
>>> lists the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into 
>>> his Platy)
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail 
>>> Sparwood tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders 
>>> at all, maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame 
>>> and fork, so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some 
>>> modifying, but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like 
>>> them, and the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would 
>>> likely give more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
>>>  
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[RBW] FS: Baggins Bags - Banana Seat Bag and Candy Handlebar Bag Set

[Michael Ullmer]

I've got two Baggins bags for sale I'm selling as a set:

The Banana Bag shows the most wear/beausage/patina. No rips in the fabric, 
just well used. The leather piping shows some cracks and there's some 
reflective red rape on some of the leather. Stiffener along the top of the 
bag is present. Overall the bag is darker than the Candy Bag. The Candy bag 
is in much better shape, shows a lot less use. I believe these were both 
made by Duluth Pack back in the day.

Looking for $100 net to me 

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/AcCS4HqUancMnRdq5

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Paul Clifton]

I think you're right about your assumptions.
Would you mind letting the list know what size they are when you find out?

Paul in AR

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[James M]

The colors on that Ram are dreamy!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:42:52 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thanks all! Let’s just say that if it could go wrong, it did. I was able to 
sort it out and I’m stoked on how they look. The bike’s so big that many 
think these tires aren’t as big as they are, especially with the addition 
of the fenders. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:53:27 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

> Looks great. Enjoy staying dry and clean!
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>
>> Fenders turned out sweet, Luke. I dig the flat profile, way clean!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 10:57:09 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Thanks much, Keith!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:57 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>> Great looking bike, Luke!
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here are some photos  from 
>> the shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and have decided to leave 
>> some extra strut just in case. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>> I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish the 
>> rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front fender 
>> with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a certain 
>> level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to finish 
>> adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite satisfied with 
>> the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the daylight tomorrow 
>> for reference. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
>> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
>> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
>> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>>
>> Brian 
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO lists 
>> the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>>
>>
>> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into 
>> his Platy)
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>
>> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail 
>> Sparwood tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders 
>> at all, maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame 
>> and fork, so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some 
>> modifying, but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like 
>> them, and the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would 
>> likely give more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Exploration: Make your own pump peg

[Luke Hendrickson]

As someone who’s had the Neo Retro (& Touring), I definitely miss the 
adjustability, but also love the lack of adjusting. I took a wrench and 
bent the front Mafacs to adjust toe-in and, now that I have the dual 
compound Eagle pads from Kool Stop, I never worry even in a torrential 
downpour. Plus, they look so damned good!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> How do you like them Mafac tandems? I like those hangers, good looking 
> hangers. Wish I had some. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:33:39 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Nice, Luke. I agree, having a black frame pump between the tubes on a 
>> double top tube Atlantis interferes with the nice lines. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:56:38 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: B372A765-5F4B-42DE-A241-4387D0682850.jpeg]
>>> I like the use of an alt mount option even though I have a pump peg on 
>>> mine. I love the double tubing of the Atlantis and don’t want it crowded 
>>> with a pump. 
>>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 11:01:26 AM UTC-8 J C wrote:
>>>
 I like the QR idea.

 However, on my 2020 Appaloosa the dropout design prevents a shimano QR 
 lever from easily closing at an angle other than forward or backward, 
 approximately level to the ground.

 Curious if a similar design is used on other newish models?




 On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:15:46 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I like these solutions Nick, Kim and Andy. 
>
> Absent a pump peg mount I do think that using the QR skewer is the 
> best, so elegant and minimal. I read about that on iBOB and it really got 
> me. Then I forgot about it. I'll have to see if I can make that work. 
>
> Wes: It's not necessarily better! It's just an idea I executed to see 
> if it would work. I definitely prefer the brazed-on pump peg. That said, 
> there might be some interference between the front derailer cable and the 
> pump when mounted behind the seat tube. I actually can't tell. Haven't 
> had 
> any shifting issues but I can't get a good line of sight and have been 
> too 
> lazy to crawl under the bike or flip it over to truly investigate. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:39:54 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Ingenious solutions all around.
>> Full marks!
>> k.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 9:48 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> This is cool, Eric - but how is it better than using the pump peg 
>>> that was so thoughtfully brazed onto your frame?
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:05:38 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I read Will's post about how to make your own pump peg on the Blug 
 a long while back: 

 https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/185595499869/how-to-make-your-own-pump-pegs

 You take a p-clamp, some spacers and modify a Nitto strut and 
 you've got a pump peg somewhere you might not have had one before. 
 Will 
 likes to put his in the rear triangle and you'll notice them mounted 
 this 
 way on a lot of his bikes.  

 [image: tumblr_inline_pt3zzjpbXk1qdvnvk_500.jpg]
 [image: tumblr_inline_pt401jwzC21qdvnvk_500.jpg]

 This is great, I love it, cool hack! But I've always wanted for a 
 version that doesn't require tracking down and destroying a Nitto 
 strut. 
 Riv HQ is probably awash in Nitto struts and they have em poking out 
 of the 
 coffee cans on everyone's desk all over the place. But not so for me, 
 Nitto 
 struts are precious few in my shed. 

 I think I came up with the right shape and this weekend I picked up 
 an electrical ring terminal in the 10-12 size, yellow sleeve. 

 [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-17 at 9.56.39 PM.png][image: Screen 
 Shot 2023-01-17 at 9.56.44 PM.png]

 Holding the ring end with one pair of pliers you can easily remove 
 the yellow sleeve with a second pair of pliers. A pack of 15 is $4.50. 
 If 
 your local hardware store has a bulk/loose hardware section you can 
 get one 
 for around 55¢ (at least I did). 

 Paired with a 3/8" insulated cable clamp (2 for $2.20), a few 
 serrated brake washers, an M5 bolt and a nylock nut I had a fashioned 
 a 
 pump peg. Didn't have to cut or shape any metal or destroy any 
 high-end 
 Japanese rack struts. 

 [image: IMG_4875.JPG]

 [image: IMG_4874.JPG]

 I have yet to SUPER TEST this out but wanted to share all the same. 

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[RBW] Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[matt miller]

Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
 
for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Back On A Platypus

[Tom Palmer]

Hi Jared,
Love your Platypus. I have a mermaid 60cm that I am smitten with. How much 
room for fenders over the 50cm gravel kings? What is your gearing on the 
3x1 setup? I am running 1x10 now, but I ride a lot of single speed and some 
fixed gear on other bikes. The way mine rides, it seems to beg for a fixed 
gear setup. It will be effort and expense with the vertical dropouts to go 
fixed. I may just do a 3x1 like yours for now and see if that will satisfy. 
Tom Palmer,
With our first snow in 2023 in Twin Lake, MI
and already considering a second Platypus
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 6:55:01 PM UTC-5 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Through various dealings the last year I worked my way down to only a 
> Susie, trying to convince myself that I wasn't overbiking, but I was. I 
> didn't need the tall BB or the clearance for 2.8's for the type of riding I 
> generally do, and for the amount of time I spend on trails it was hard to 
> justify having so much bike.
>
> Some of you may remember a WTT posting from the end of '22, I was looking 
> to trade for a 60cm Platypus to fill in the gap that was left when I gave 
> my wife my old 60cm and we sold her 55cm. Shortly after posting I was 
> approached by Mack with the Canadian Caveat, but we were determined to make 
> it worthwhile for both parties. After Mack crunched some numbers and we 
> wheeled and dealed a bit we came to an agreement and would soon have new 
> steeds!
>
> I received my new to me Platypus on Thursday of last week and wasted no 
> time getting it set up. Mack had a killer 3x1 drivetrain and I knew I'd 
> like to try the same, so I acquired some parts and pieced it together. I'm 
> still dialing in this set up but so far it's showing a lot of promise and I 
> couldn't be more grateful for Mack's advice along the way.
>
> So here it is, as of the ride I just got back from, and I'm so happy to be 
> back on a Platypus.
>
> Jared in SLO, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[DavidP]

Looks great. Enjoy staying dry and clean!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Fenders turned out sweet, Luke. I dig the flat profile, way clean!
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 10:57:09 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Thanks much, Keith!
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:57 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
> Great looking bike, Luke!
>
> k.
>
> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> Here are some photos  from 
> the shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and have decided to leave 
> some extra strut just in case. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
> I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish the 
> rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front fender 
> with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a certain 
> level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to finish 
> adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite satisfied with 
> the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the daylight tomorrow 
> for reference. 
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>
> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>
> Brian 
>
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO lists 
> the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>
>
> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into his 
> Platy)
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>
>
> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail Sparwood 
> tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders at all, 
> maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame and fork, 
> so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some modifying, 
> but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like them, and 
> the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would likely give 
> more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Fenders turned out sweet, Luke. I dig the flat profile, way clean!

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 10:57:09 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks much, Keith!

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:57 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

Great looking bike, Luke!
k.

On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson  wrote:



Here are some photos from the shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and 
have decided to leave some extra strut just in case. 



On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish the rear 
fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front fender with the 
fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a certain level of 
difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to finish adjusting the 
spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite satisfied with the rear fender. 
I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the daylight tomorrow for reference. 
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:

No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t think 
that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 55mm wide 
tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity Cliffhanger 700c 
rims. 
Brian 

On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:



Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO lists the 
700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?


-Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into his 
Platy)
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:


I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail Sparwood 
tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders at all, 
maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame and fork, so 
imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some modifying, but 
maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like them, and the tight 
fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would likely give more room than 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto MCR 65 threadless 100mm stem

[Joe Mullins]

This is still available for any of the new Gus owners out there or anyone 
who might want it! $60 free shipping in CONUS.

On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 12:41:45 PM UTC-7 Joe Mullins wrote:

> BUMP and free shipping in continental US.
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:11:34 PM UTC-7 Joe Mullins wrote:
>
>> Thought I'd give this a bump since everyone's Gus's ought to be arriving 
>> soon!
>>
>> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:58:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Mullins wrote:
>>
>>> This is a catch and release from another member here. I bought it to put 
>>> on an incoming Gus but I am now getting a Susie and no longer have a need 
>>> for a threadless stem.
>>>
>>> 100mm length, 35deg, 1 1/8" clamp, 25.4, peeling sticker, one small 
>>> scratch in the paint, good hardware - $60 + shipping
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: _MM_5548_1600.jpg][image: _MM_5549_1600.jpg][image: 
>>> _MM_5551_1600.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[George Schick]

To the question about clear coating a product after polishing:  after 
working it over with Simichrome polish as Laing says you can clear coat it 
with a couple of applications of Protectaclear using a foam "brush."  
Eventually this will wear off, too, and you will need to remove any 
residual coating with Xylene before re-polishing and re-coating.  I have a 
brass bell on one of my bikes that gets this treatment every so often and 
it holds up pretty well.

Oh, and I fully agree with Laing about the patina, beausage, and rusted.


On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:21:03 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> You cannot paint polished parts and have the paint stick well - polishing 
> makes the surface too smooth for the paint to grip.
>
> In my mind. if you want silver, especially polished silver, any type of 
> coating beyond waxing defeats the whole purpose of polishing. Cleaning 
> polished parts is easy.
>
> Note that Velocity will polish rims before anodizing for an extra cost for 
> a very impressive colored finish.
>
> To me, patina is just another word for lazy and not maintained. Beausage 
> is another word for abused. Rusted is not "original". With a few 
> exceptions, nobody sells new rusted bikes.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:17:33 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can you get the finished product clear coated to help with longevity?
>>
>> How does Paul treat their factory polished version ?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:03 PM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> You are assuming that all anodized parts are available without 
>>> anodizing, which it not true for all parts. 
>>>
>>> Note that most colored anodizing is temporary also, the anodizing fades 
>>> over time. Easy and cheap to restore polished parts, anodized parts - not 
>>> so much.
>>>
>>> Black parts show wear and scratches much more than silver.
>>>
>>> Even the best silver/clear anodizing wears off. I have a well used 50 
>>> year old Campagnolo triple crank that has lost its anodizing in many 
>>> locations, I am sure glad that it isn't black, it would look awful.
>>>
>>> I would not consider polished aluminum parts high maintenance, many go 
>>> for years before needing a quick rub with Simichrome and then they are like 
>>> new.
>>>
>>> You want a high maintenance finish - I have a set of brass Honjo fenders 
>>> for you. One end of the fender tarnishes as you are polishing the other end.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:43:14 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>

 I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make 
 silver… arrange a trade!

 Philip
  
 On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of 
> aluminum parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish 
> them all you like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more 
> polishing. The polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a 
> "buffer" from the elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure 
> as 
> it's only temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a 
> chemical process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive 
> elements the finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, 
> there's no going back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A 
> sure way to tell the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a 
> clean 
> rag or even your hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 
>
> As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a 
> dull silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I 
> can't live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if 
> it's 
> something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
> complimentary rather than conflicting. 
> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
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>>
>> *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*
>>
>> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[lconley]

You cannot paint polished parts and have the paint stick well - polishing 
makes the surface too smooth for the paint to grip.

In my mind. if you want silver, especially polished silver, any type of 
coating beyond waxing defeats the whole purpose of polishing. Cleaning 
polished parts is easy.

Note that Velocity will polish rims before anodizing for an extra cost for 
a very impressive colored finish.

To me, patina is just another word for lazy and not maintained. Beausage is 
another word for abused. Rusted is not "original". With a few exceptions, 
nobody sells new rusted bikes.

Laing

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:17:33 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can you get the finished product clear coated to help with longevity?
>
> How does Paul treat their factory polished version ?
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:03 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> You are assuming that all anodized parts are available without anodizing, 
>> which it not true for all parts. 
>>
>> Note that most colored anodizing is temporary also, the anodizing fades 
>> over time. Easy and cheap to restore polished parts, anodized parts - not 
>> so much.
>>
>> Black parts show wear and scratches much more than silver.
>>
>> Even the best silver/clear anodizing wears off. I have a well used 50 
>> year old Campagnolo triple crank that has lost its anodizing in many 
>> locations, I am sure glad that it isn't black, it would look awful.
>>
>> I would not consider polished aluminum parts high maintenance, many go 
>> for years before needing a quick rub with Simichrome and then they are like 
>> new.
>>
>> You want a high maintenance finish - I have a set of brass Honjo fenders 
>> for you. One end of the fender tarnishes as you are polishing the other end.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:43:14 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make silver… 
>>> arrange a trade!
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>  
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of 
 aluminum parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish 
 them all you like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more 
 polishing. The polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a 
 "buffer" from the elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure as 
 it's only temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a 
 chemical process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive 
 elements the finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, 
 there's no going back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A 
 sure way to tell the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a clean 
 rag or even your hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 

 As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a dull 
 silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I can't 
 live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if it's 
 something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
 complimentary rather than conflicting. 
 On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Exploration: Make your own pump peg

[Eric Marth]

Nice, Luke. I agree, having a black frame pump between the tubes on a 
double top tube Atlantis interferes with the nice lines. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:56:38 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: B372A765-5F4B-42DE-A241-4387D0682850.jpeg]
> I like the use of an alt mount option even though I have a pump peg on 
> mine. I love the double tubing of the Atlantis and don’t want it crowded 
> with a pump. 
> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 11:01:26 AM UTC-8 J C wrote:
>
>> I like the QR idea.
>>
>> However, on my 2020 Appaloosa the dropout design prevents a shimano QR 
>> lever from easily closing at an angle other than forward or backward, 
>> approximately level to the ground.
>>
>> Curious if a similar design is used on other newish models?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:15:46 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like these solutions Nick, Kim and Andy. 
>>>
>>> Absent a pump peg mount I do think that using the QR skewer is the best, 
>>> so elegant and minimal. I read about that on iBOB and it really got me. 
>>> Then I forgot about it. I'll have to see if I can make that work. 
>>>
>>> Wes: It's not necessarily better! It's just an idea I executed to see if 
>>> it would work. I definitely prefer the brazed-on pump peg. That said, there 
>>> might be some interference between the front derailer cable and the pump 
>>> when mounted behind the seat tube. I actually can't tell. Haven't had any 
>>> shifting issues but I can't get a good line of sight and have been too lazy 
>>> to crawl under the bike or flip it over to truly investigate. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:39:54 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 Ingenious solutions all around.
 Full marks!
 k.

 On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 9:48 PM Wesley  wrote:

> This is cool, Eric - but how is it better than using the pump peg that 
> was so thoughtfully brazed onto your frame?
> -Wes
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:05:38 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I read Will's post about how to make your own pump peg on the Blug a 
>> long while back: 
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/185595499869/how-to-make-your-own-pump-pegs
>>
>> You take a p-clamp, some spacers and modify a Nitto strut and you've 
>> got a pump peg somewhere you might not have had one before. Will likes 
>> to 
>> put his in the rear triangle and you'll notice them mounted this way on 
>> a 
>> lot of his bikes.  
>>
>> [image: tumblr_inline_pt3zzjpbXk1qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>> [image: tumblr_inline_pt401jwzC21qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>>
>> This is great, I love it, cool hack! But I've always wanted for a 
>> version that doesn't require tracking down and destroying a Nitto strut. 
>> Riv HQ is probably awash in Nitto struts and they have em poking out of 
>> the 
>> coffee cans on everyone's desk all over the place. But not so for me, 
>> Nitto 
>> struts are precious few in my shed. 
>>
>> I think I came up with the right shape and this weekend I picked up 
>> an electrical ring terminal in the 10-12 size, yellow sleeve. 
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-17 at 9.56.39 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 
>> 2023-01-17 at 9.56.44 PM.png]
>>
>> Holding the ring end with one pair of pliers you can easily remove 
>> the yellow sleeve with a second pair of pliers. A pack of 15 is $4.50. 
>> If 
>> your local hardware store has a bulk/loose hardware section you can get 
>> one 
>> for around 55¢ (at least I did). 
>>
>> Paired with a 3/8" insulated cable clamp (2 for $2.20), a few 
>> serrated brake washers, an M5 bolt and a nylock nut I had a fashioned a 
>> pump peg. Didn't have to cut or shape any metal or destroy any high-end 
>> Japanese rack struts. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4875.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_4874.JPG]
>>
>> I have yet to SUPER TEST this out but wanted to share all the same. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Exploration: Make your own pump peg

[Eric Marth]

How do you like them Mafac tandems? I like those hangers, good looking 
hangers. Wish I had some. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:33:39 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Nice, Luke. I agree, having a black frame pump between the tubes on a 
> double top tube Atlantis interferes with the nice lines. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:56:38 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: B372A765-5F4B-42DE-A241-4387D0682850.jpeg]
>> I like the use of an alt mount option even though I have a pump peg on 
>> mine. I love the double tubing of the Atlantis and don’t want it crowded 
>> with a pump. 
>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 11:01:26 AM UTC-8 J C wrote:
>>
>>> I like the QR idea.
>>>
>>> However, on my 2020 Appaloosa the dropout design prevents a shimano QR 
>>> lever from easily closing at an angle other than forward or backward, 
>>> approximately level to the ground.
>>>
>>> Curious if a similar design is used on other newish models?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:15:46 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I like these solutions Nick, Kim and Andy. 

 Absent a pump peg mount I do think that using the QR skewer is the 
 best, so elegant and minimal. I read about that on iBOB and it really got 
 me. Then I forgot about it. I'll have to see if I can make that work. 

 Wes: It's not necessarily better! It's just an idea I executed to see 
 if it would work. I definitely prefer the brazed-on pump peg. That said, 
 there might be some interference between the front derailer cable and the 
 pump when mounted behind the seat tube. I actually can't tell. Haven't had 
 any shifting issues but I can't get a good line of sight and have been too 
 lazy to crawl under the bike or flip it over to truly investigate. 

 On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:39:54 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:

> Ingenious solutions all around.
> Full marks!
> k.
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 9:48 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> This is cool, Eric - but how is it better than using the pump peg 
>> that was so thoughtfully brazed onto your frame?
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:05:38 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I read Will's post about how to make your own pump peg on the Blug a 
>>> long while back: 
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/185595499869/how-to-make-your-own-pump-pegs
>>>
>>> You take a p-clamp, some spacers and modify a Nitto strut and you've 
>>> got a pump peg somewhere you might not have had one before. Will likes 
>>> to 
>>> put his in the rear triangle and you'll notice them mounted this way on 
>>> a 
>>> lot of his bikes.  
>>>
>>> [image: tumblr_inline_pt3zzjpbXk1qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>>> [image: tumblr_inline_pt401jwzC21qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>>>
>>> This is great, I love it, cool hack! But I've always wanted for a 
>>> version that doesn't require tracking down and destroying a Nitto 
>>> strut. 
>>> Riv HQ is probably awash in Nitto struts and they have em poking out of 
>>> the 
>>> coffee cans on everyone's desk all over the place. But not so for me, 
>>> Nitto 
>>> struts are precious few in my shed. 
>>>
>>> I think I came up with the right shape and this weekend I picked up 
>>> an electrical ring terminal in the 10-12 size, yellow sleeve. 
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-17 at 9.56.39 PM.png][image: Screen 
>>> Shot 2023-01-17 at 9.56.44 PM.png]
>>>
>>> Holding the ring end with one pair of pliers you can easily remove 
>>> the yellow sleeve with a second pair of pliers. A pack of 15 is $4.50. 
>>> If 
>>> your local hardware store has a bulk/loose hardware section you can get 
>>> one 
>>> for around 55¢ (at least I did). 
>>>
>>> Paired with a 3/8" insulated cable clamp (2 for $2.20), a few 
>>> serrated brake washers, an M5 bolt and a nylock nut I had a fashioned a 
>>> pump peg. Didn't have to cut or shape any metal or destroy any high-end 
>>> Japanese rack struts. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4875.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4874.JPG]
>>>
>>> I have yet to SUPER TEST this out but wanted to share all the same. 
>>>
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