[RBW] Re: Rust inside frame?

[Jay]

Jim,

Now you tell me.
I treated the frame I bought from Forrest that he bought from you.
If you treat the frames you sell that would mean it got sprayed twice.
Are you serious about weight being an issue? How much can a little
spray weigh?

Jay

On Feb 20, 5:32 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> Pull the seatpost and hang the bike upside down at various angles to drain 
> any water that may be inside. If you have the tools, you may also pull the 
> crank/BB to check for rust. Grease the seatpost and BB threads liberally 
> before reinstallation.
>
> Internal rust is usually more of a theoretical concern than a real-world 
> problem. A thin film of rust on the inside of your frame is normal and 
> doesn't mean your frame is going to die at an early age. Thick rust deposits 
> around the BB are usually a sign of longterm neglect of basic maintenance, 
> but are probably treatable. I don't generally bother with frame saver on my 
> own bikes because it adds too much weight, but I usually pre-emptively 
> address potential customer panic by fogging every frame/bike we sell.

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[RBW] Re: Commuting home on the Saluki raises bike etiquette question!

[Jay]

The driver was asking nicely?
I'd move over if I reasonably could.
If he was obnoxious about it I wouldn't hear him. My ears are funny
that way.

Jay

On Mar 21, 8:23 pm, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> Hmm, I often encount situations like this riding in NYC. The difference is
> that though I know what the laws are and the drivers dont I am still a dude
> on a 30lb bike and they are driving a 2 ton missle that can crush me like a
> bug.  I will usually err on the side of "courteousness" even though I will
> grumble under my breath about how I had the right of way or when some idiot
> honks at me for just having the audacity to rid on thier roads but again,
> they can kill us and we cant do much to them. I find this is especially
> true in NYC where the Village Voice has finally torn the lid off of a
> systematic plan by the NYPD to blame all bike related injuries and
> fatalities on bike riders and hardly ever if at all on the drivers of cars
> since the NYPD is not in favor of increased ridership advocated by the
> transportation commissioner Sadik-Khan.  So I would say, there is a time to
> stand your ground and a time to realize you are at the position of
> vulnerability and to just complain when you get home or on this list even.
> I know there are people who will see this as being too capitulating but as
> a grown man with kids at home I have to prioritize safety over pride.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Liesl  wrote:
> > Hi Riv Chicas y Chicos,  Here's one to throw in the hopper! Yesterday
> > on my commute home, I was stopped close to the right curb at a light
> > for a busy cross-street (Hiawatha Ave at 35th st in Minneapolis for
> > you twin cities folk).  I heard a horn behind me; not a blaring one,
> > just a can-I-get-your-attention one.  I turned around to look, and a
> > bit behind me was a man on a bike who was square in the middle of the
> > right lane.  Behind him was a woman in the car from whence the beep
> > came.  She asked in a very reasonable tone if he could move over so
> > she could make a right turn.  He replied no; the light was about to
> > change.  Then there ensued a brief but escalating argument while the
> > light didn't turn green with the biker vocally refusing to move over
> > and the frustrated woman asking why he wouldn't just move over.  I
> > refrained from turning around and watching the whole thing much less
> > getting involved.  The light finally turned green.  I, out in front,
> > sprinted across Hiawatha with the argument still going.  The last I
> > heard was the man shouting over his shoulder in a sarcastic tone: "I'm
> > sorry I made you wait 40 seconds."
>
> > Curious to know what y'all think...would you have moved over?  stood
> > your ground?  In similar instances that I've been in, I know that I've
> > moved over and didn't think much about it.
>
> > The trees are leafing out here a full month early.
>
> > Liesl
>
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[RBW] Re: Conundrum: where to place tail lights?

[Jay]

I use a Superflash on my saddlebag and these
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/2-led-3-mode-fog-bicycle-light-red-pair-2-cr2032-44096
on the seat stays. These are by no means high quality lights but they
are cheap and I think improve visibility a lot.

Jay


On Apr 26, 8:37 am, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> Clip a blinkie to the saddlebag? I clip a super flash or PDW arc-welder class 
> blinkie to my left prat pocket. Each bike has a blinkie clipped to a brake 
> cable, and I clip it to the pocket when I saddle up.
>
>  Philip
>
> Philip Williamson
> Www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Noodles or Albas - 2nd try

[Jay]

Google seems to have eaten this post from earlier today. Apologies to
anyone who get it twice.

> I am currently using 46 cm Noodle bars at about saddle height on my
> Sam for my 15 mile RT commute. I like the multiple hand positions but
> can't say I'm really comfortable with them, so I'm thinking about
> giving Albas a try.

> If anyone out there has made the switch from drops to Albas, I'd love
> to hear from you before.

> Beside general impressions, I'm curious how the wider Albas perform in
> dense traffic. Also thoughts about Alum vs Cromo.

> I am using an 8 cm stem with the Noodles. I'm hoping the 10 cm stem
> that replaced will be perfect for the Albas. If so, beside the bars I
> would just need brake levers and the Nitto shim from Riv. And grips or
> tape of some kind. Maybe $100-120 for the lot.

> Any used Albas out there looking for a home?

> Jay

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[RBW] Re: FS Newish Medium Sackville Saddlesack(Olive)

[Jay]

I do not need this bag. I do not need this bag. I do not need this bag.
Please report back when this is sold and put me out of my misery.

Jay

On Monday, July 15, 2013 3:53:01 AM UTC+3, David Hwang wrote:
>
> Hey RBW'ers I have a newish-never-really-used-except-once Medium Sackville 
> Saddlesack in olive for sale. I purchased this sack last September and 
> tried it out once on my daily commute and found it was too much sack for 
> me...I often lock up on a daily basis in SF and know it would eventually 
> get stolen.
>
> I have since opted for a rear basket and it's perfect for my daily use. 
> The sack has been sadly sitting in my kitchen acting as an extra-parts 
> storage box. It's a great bag that can hold a ton of stuff (I was able to 
> stuff a sleeping bag and a thermarest pad into it with ease) with great 
> build/material quality.
>
> Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dhwang217/sets/72157634638306293/
>
> Asking price is $150 plus shipping, payments accepted through paypal. 
> Contact me at dhwang217 at gmail
>
> Thanks!
> David
>

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[RBW] All Rounder and Big Apples -Fat Franks

[Jay]

I would like to put Big Apples or Fat Franks on my All Rounder which
has 26 x 1.5s on it now. How big can I go? - It's a 1996 frame and
large enough to fit me at 6' 1". Is this as easy as measuring the
space left beyond the 1.5s are there other variables.

Thanks, Jay

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[RBW] Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

[Jay]

Does this make any sense in a 56 cm Sam? Should it be a deal breaker?
I almost ordered one the other day until I found out all the new one's
have the "undertube".
What does is collective wisdom of this group?

BTW I weigh 165 lbs want the bike for commuting and the occasional
tour.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

[Jay]

If anyone is interested, I ended up buying Forrest's single top tube
frameset.

Nice solution.

Jay

On Jun 5, 9:56 pm, Jay  wrote:
> Does this make any sense in a 56 cm Sam? Should it be a deal breaker?
> I almost ordered one the other day until I found out all the new one's
> have the "undertube".
> What does is collective wisdom of this group?
>
> BTW I weigh 165 lbs want the bike for commuting and the occasional
> tour.
>
> Jay

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm first-generation Sam Hillborne frameset

[Jay]

SOLD

Solves my double tube dilema quite nicely.

Jay

On Jun 10, 6:13 am, Forrest  wrote:
> The frame shown in the photos at the link just below will be available
> next week:http://gallery.me.com/ftmeyer#100139
>
> Taiwan-built, for canti brakes -- sorry, only one top tube. I am first
> owner, have had this about 18 months, bought it from Jim T. at
> Hiawatha Cyclery in Mpls. (was a demo bike there). Will come with
> installed Tange Sekei headset. Dandy frame, fits me well, but I
> acquired a touring frame I feel is even more perfect, so this must go.
> The new frame probably is not even more perfect, but such is my
> disease.
>
> The frame looks great at a glance from several feet away, but up close
> you would see several paint chips of various sizes, which I've tried
> to show in the photos. The worst ones were the fault of a tour
> organizer who took little to no care when loading bikes to shuttle
> them back to where we started from. Had always meant to touch it up
> with the recommended matching nail polish, but now the new owner can
> do that.
>
> These frames sold for $1,000 new. This one never crashed and has no
> dents. But in light of the chips, I am asking $775 -- and that price
> includes shipping within CONUSA.
>
> Thanks for looking. Feel free to shoot me questions.
>
> Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Re: Vermont Rides/Camping

[Jay]

I am planning a 6 day ride around VT this August.
Starting in Meredith NH,  mostly following the ACA Green Mtn Loop
counter clockwise as far a Queeche where I am scheduled to meet up
with family.
Contact me off list if you're interested.

Jay

On Jun 20, 6:54 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Jun 20, 11:03 am, cm  wrote:
>
> > My brother lives in Burlington-- might get my vote for the coolest
> > city in the US.
>
> that's quite a compliment.  and I agree!  as long as you don't mind 5
> months of winter.
>
> Zack - like the above posters recommended, just pick a place where
> you'd like to spend some time - whether it's the mountains, islands,
> lakes - and go for it.
>
> I think a trip up to Lake Carmi would make for a great S240 - lots of
> cool back roads to get up there.  A little closer would be Cambridge
> State Forest.  Little River State Park near Waterbury is another good
> option.  How about Hinesburg Town Forest - pitch a tent and go climb
> Texas Hill, Lincoln Hill, Pond Rd/Wes White and refuel at On the Rise
> in Richmond before the sun goes down.  Or Lake Iroquois?  Mt.
> Mansfield State Forest?  Camel's Hump State Park.  It's kind of
> limitless around here, just depends on how far you want to ride.
> Also, don't forget about the ADKs - it's so easy to jump on the
> Charlotte ferry and pitch a tent in NY somewhere along the lake or in
> the mountains.
>
> Have fun!!

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[RBW] Re: New Hillborne

[Jay]

Wonder if that's the 56 cm I almost bought.
Looks beautiful.

Jay

On Jun 20, 1:53 am, John L  wrote:
> pics here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/34864597@N00/sets/72157626993100778/
>
> Loving the ride.  Have the handlebars way up where I couldn't get them
> on my Long Haul Trucker, and it's fantastic.  My bottom will need to
> get reacquainted with the Brooks I'm riding, as I think my weight is
> just a bit differently distributed.  Was a little nervous about the
> Jack Brown Greens, given that I'm on the bigger side, but loved the
> ride and they even handled some of the packed dirt/gravel roads near
> me without a fuss.
>
> Really loving the Acorn medium/large saddlebag.  Fits what I like to
> bring with me for a leisurely afternoon on the bike (camera, snack
> food, extra water bottle, basic repair stuff, haven't tried rain
> jacket but there are D-rings and an extra set of leather straps -
> purchased separately - for afixing one).  And the tapered design means
> I don't even know it's there; no bagman style support needed.  Quick
> run to the local supermarket and LBS, was able to fit a bag of baby
> carrots, Sabra style hummus container, bag of trail mix, 32oz juice
> bottle, wallet (overstuffed), cell phone, keys, above mentioned repair
> stuff (tire levers & patch kit, multi tool, leatherman) and used the
> leather fasteners (not the extra straps) to carry a U-lock, pedal
> wrench, and mini frame pump.  Someone smarter at packing could
> probably get a good deal more out of it.  Someone stupider (or at
> least more reckless) too.
>
> Thanks again to Dick & Dick Denning at the Country Bike Shop for the
> great service and build!
>
> Cheers

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[RBW] Cross levers on 46cm Noodle bars?

[Jay]

I bought Forrest's Sam Hillborne and am having it built for commuting
in a mix of interurban roads and city traffic and the occasional tour.
Coming from a sordid MTB past, I currently commute on an old steel
mountain bike with slicks. I ordered the Nitto Noodle bars on faith,
never having actually used drop bars before.
I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to go with cross style
interrupter levers either in addition to or instead of the drop bar
brake levers for better control in traffic.
Or is it just a matter of getting used to the drop bar levers?

Thanks,
Jay

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[RBW] Which nail polish for 1st generation green Sam Hillborne?

[Jay]

Sally Hanson, Lacquer Shine, Glow 03

OR

Sally Hansen Hard as Nails Xtreme wear Ivy
League

I've seen both recommended.
Which is right?

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Cross levers on 46cm Noodle bars?

[Jay]

Ironic ending is I decided to go for the interupter levers and the
shop I'm working with can't find anything reasonably priced that will
work with v-brakes. I mentioned the Tektro RL740 on the Riv site but
their distributers don't stock 'em. If I want to later I know that I
can order them from Riv and install them myself.

Thanks for all the input. Very helpful bunch, this is.

Jay

On Jul 1, 6:55 pm, Jay  wrote:
> I bought Forrest's Sam Hillborne and am having it built for commuting
> in a mix of interurban roads and city traffic and the occasional tour.
> Coming from a sordid MTB past, I currently commute on an old steel
> mountain bike with slicks. I ordered the Nitto Noodle bars on faith,
> never having actually used drop bars before.
> I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to go with cross style
> interrupter levers either in addition to or instead of the drop bar
> brake levers for better control in traffic.
> Or is it just a matter of getting used to the drop bar levers?
>
> Thanks,
> Jay

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[RBW] Re: 2 top tubes - Y2TT plus (at the end of it) divisive cultural reference

[Jay]

I emailed back and forth with Grant for about a week before deciding
that the undertube wasn't for me. His explanation,  as far as I
understood, is that the unusually long head tube on the Sam reduces
the frame's resistance to twisting. The 2nd tube "re-triangulates" the
main triangle and eliminates this problem, which he acknowledged was
more theoretical than practical. And that is might be overkill in my
case - 56 cm Sam, 165 lbs. My feeling is that he wants the Sam to work
for everyone, including heavier riders on medium sized frames.

I went with a used single TT frame from this list (thank Forrest)
which I am currently having built. Can't wait to ride it.

Jay

On Jul 9, 8:38 am, charlie  wrote:
>  I personally dig the two top tube look. Listen, Grant gives very
> sound reasons for them on that particular style and frame size.  I'd
> rather pay more, have two top tubes and buy American anyway.in
> fact I may just get another Riv but probably a Hunqua or heck maybe a
> Sam with (two) top tubes. I know I'll never see 150 again and a
> noodley frame that flexes under load and when loaded is no confidence
> builder. I've had numerous ghost shifts on several frames with
> perfectly clean and lubed cable guides etc. I want a stiff frame that
> doesn't twist but I want a fork with (some) vertical compliance which
> is where there should and can be some. Lets face it, Riv bikes are
> made for more average riders with baggage and for variable surfaces
> not just perfect straight line asphalt.  I think these designs are
> well thought out and result in a well built frame that will last. Go
> Grant ! Just sayin...
>
> On Jul 8, 6:00 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I think it is interesting, for lack of a better word, that GP is addressing
> > double top tubes in his latest posting on the Riv site. I respect the living
> > daylights out of him and thank him everytime I ride my coupled 58cm Riv
> > Rambouillet. I even go out of my way to never abbreviate "Rambouillet."
>
> > On the other hand, my eyes and brain have never gotten together on the
> > looks. I get the logic, I get the utility for bigger bikes. But without
> > being an engineer, I really can't imagine anything smaller that a 62 cm,
> > well built, would ever benefit from 2 tubes. Maybe a big big rider with lots
> > o added baggage.
>
> > And it sounds as if in his posting, he is suggesting the 56cm ones (which
> > must be the heart of the buying population) are not moving so well..
>
> > If I am interpreting his comments correctly, it makes me sad the inventory
> > is not moving. And he sounds ready to eventually acknowledge that many of us
> > are not ready to embrace the 2TT idea.
>
> > He is steadfast in a way that earns him my respect, and...

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[RBW] Re: Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today

[Jay]

I will be riding my new to me Sam around Vermont August 15th-20th.
Starting in Meredith NH and mostly following the ACA Green Mountain
Loop counterclockwise.to Quechee.
Where are you?

Jay

On Aug 4, 5:13 pm, Zack  wrote:
> it's mine!  
>
> thanks for the compliment.  can't wait to get it in Vermont and start
> riding.

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[RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

[Jay]

How do Shwalbe Supreme 32s compare with the 32 Paselas with tourguard?
I have the Pasalas on now and a pair of Shwalbes waiting for them to
wear out.

On Aug 6, 8:50 am, Garth  wrote:
>  I have them in the 622 Patrick.  I'm with you about the Pasela tires...if 
> you want low rolling resistant tiresthose ain't it!  The Metro K's are. 
> They're great at 35mm in that they roll fast AND have some cushion as long as 
> you're at 70-75psi.

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[RBW] Help - can't ride for the lack of a bolt

[Jay]

I've been up since 4 after a 16 hour flight yesterday, excited to put
my new to me Sam together and take it for a test ride.

It's almost done but I can't ride it because the bike shop failed to
include the bolt that keeps the seat post from slipping in to the
frame.

Do I just walk into a local shop and ask for a generic seat post
binder bolt? 5mm? 6mm? What do I tell them?

I could bring the bike down there but the logistics of that are more
than I care to deal with at the moment. I would ride it, but ... you
see the problem.

I'm sure this is an easy fix and I am hoping to avoid a wild goose
chase for the wrong bolt.

Anybody?

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[RBW] Re: Help - can't ride for the lack of a bolt

[Jay]

OK - jet lag and bike assembly is not a good combo. It took a 45
minute ride on my old bike and some blueberry pancakes for me to
figure out for myself what Patrick suggested - take any bolt that
fits, a couple of washers and vioala ... my 1st ride on a Rivendell :)

Actually my 1st time riding a decent road bike of any kind.
Impressions so far are:
1. This is a very high quality bike - much better than anything else
I've riden, and
2. Drop bars are going to take some getting used to. I've got them
nice and high, but there are a lot of adjustments, decisions, etc.

I ride almost every day and have for years. With this set up I feel I
a total newbie. So many new to me things - drop bars, bar end shfters,
Rivenell sizing.

I've got a 6 day solo tour planned starting the week after next. Hope
I've got some of the kinks worked out by then.

Thanks for all the help.

On Aug 6, 12:48 pm, Jay  wrote:
> I've been up since 4 after a 16 hour flight yesterday, excited to put
> my new to me Sam together and take it for a test ride.
>
> It's almost done but I can't ride it because the bike shop failed to
> include the bolt that keeps the seat post from slipping in to the
> frame.
>
> Do I just walk into a local shop and ask for a generic seat post
> binder bolt? 5mm? 6mm? What do I tell them?
>
> I could bring the bike down there but the logistics of that are more
> than I care to deal with at the moment. I would ride it, but ... you
> see the problem.
>
> I'm sure this is an easy fix and I am hoping to avoid a wild goose
> chase for the wrong bolt.
>
> Anybody?

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[RBW] !st Rivendell - Thank You Forrest and Bikeman

[Jay]

Today I finally got to ride the frameset I bought from Forrest about a
month ago. It was built up for my by Bikeman in Bath Maine and as far
as I can tell they did a great job. They were very patient with me
during the process of specing, changing and respecing everything, and
their prices were more than fair. Absolutely no hassles dealing with
Forrest either. The frameset was delivered exatly when and how he said
it would be, and the few scratches he pointed out before the sale
turned out to be even smaller than I expected. I'll save the extra
nail polish for future "beusage".

Only got a short ride in this morning after a little frustration with
the assembly. Mostly due to stupidity brought on by lack of sleep. 1st
time on a road bike so a bit awkward. Hopefully I'll be able to adjust
before tackling the Green Mountain loop solo the week after next.

44 years old and I still don;t have the sense to come in out of the
rain (figuratively this week with the nice weather, but literally
too). Hope I never do.

Thanks to everyone here for all your help, and for any tips,
suggestions and words of encouragement you may chose to offer.

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[RBW] Re: Impact of beer on steering

[Jay]

That was 24 bottles of San Miguel. Nippers, though. 250 ml each.
Also 4 loose bottles of a delicious local hand made brew called Jen's.
So a total of 7.3 liters.

Went through most of it with the 2 Irishmen and 1 Brit I had over for
dinner Friday night.

Meat for hamburger went in the saddlebag after the dropping the beer
off at home.

Good night.

Jay

On Jul 14, 10:51 pm, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> Was that a 12 pack case or a 24?  Inquiring minds want to know.  What about
> two bottles Zinfandel?
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:41:52 PM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I occassionally use a klickfix shopping basket on the handlebars of my
> > Hillborne.
>
> > Just in case there was any doubt, carrying a case of beer in there has
> > a dramatic impact on steering.
>
> > Must be something to do with trail. :)

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[RBW] Re: My first S24O

[Jay]

Just came back from a visit to New England which included 5 days
biking in Vermont on my new to me Sam.
Beautiful part of the world this time of year.
The hills were a bit much for this flatlander, especially self
supported, but managed to have a really good time anyway.

Jay

On Aug 26, 11:44 pm, Zack  wrote:
> Went on my first S24O this week on my new Sam.  I rode from Burlington to
> Jerusalem and camped in the Camel's Hump State Forest.
>
> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3RjVQ7WAEVo/TlgFrCEVRNI/BA...>
>
> This is what I brought:
>
> Slickersack
> Trangia cookset
> Book to read
> Wiggy's sleeping bag (on top)
> Headlamp
> Coffee setup
> Marinated stir-fry, Eggs, bit of salami, macadamia nuts, larabar, rasberries
> & blueberries, dark chocolate
>
> Saddlesack
> Hennessy Hammock
> Tools
> Pump
> Fleece Jacket
> Ibex longies
> Spare shirt
> Spare socks
> Opinel knife
> Hozan Y wrench (as this was the first time out with this Sam and these
> racks, thought I may need to make adjustments, and that thing rocks for
> making adjustments to the nitto racks)
>
> Keven's Bag
> Phone
> Wallet
> Camera
> Pencil
> Crossword Puzzle
>
> Some things I learned:
>
>    - The Sam is just fine handling this amount of load.  No sway, felt solid
>    underneath me the whole time.  (for the record, I weigh about 220 lbs, so
>    this is a lot of total weight.  i think the marathon duremes may help with
>    the stable feel of the ride, but it's hard to say).
>    - Riding on the curves of the Albatross bar is 4/5 as good as riding in
>    drops for me.  It got me down out of the wind, and handling was just fine.
>    - The Sam is so much fun on descents, it's one of the most fun things I
>    have ever done.
>    - Leave earlier or ride shorter.  I pushed it and ended up making camp in
>    the dark, it sucked.
>    - Side roads in Vermont can be brutal.  I am fine on long ascents, but
>    the crazy uphill stuff on Vermont dirt roads really takes it out of me.  I
>    ended up walking the bike a fair bit on these, and ended up being way more
>    tired than I would normally be after riding this long.
>    - I don't need so much food.  I ate like half of what I brought.
>    - The trangia cookset is awesome.  My first time using it, and it was
>    solid.  Way way better than just using the little triangle windscreen thing
>    and then cooking in something else.  
>    - I am not much for taking pictures when I am riding.  I brought the
>    camera, but didn't pull it out.  I was also really feeling the pressure of
>    trying to make good time and beat the sunset, so that was part of it.

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[RBW] Re: Carrying yoga mat on your Rivendell?

[Jay]

I use a rolled up knit carpet for yoga.
Feels (and smells) a lot nicer than then the synthetic ones and fits
great in my Carradice saddle bag.
Have to try straping it directly to the bagman support as suggested
above.

Jay

On Aug 27, 11:57 pm, Tim Whalen  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've tried a couple of sort of adhoc ways of carrying my yoga mat on my Riv
> but they have been awkward.  Does anyone have an easy and safe method for
> carrying theirs?  I'd rather ride to class but end up driving because of
> that awkward pound or so of rubber mat.
> Cheers,
> Tim

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[RBW] Numb hands - WTB 9cm Nitto Technomic stem, or possibly 8

[Jay]

After commuting on a converted 90s steel MTB since ... the 90s, I got
myself a 56cm Sam with Noodle bars and a 10 cm stem.

Never used drops before so the set up was sort of hit or miss, with
the kind assistance of the good folks at RBW, this list and elsewhere
on the web.

5 days in Vt and I realize I missed on stem length, apparantly by 1
very expensive cm.

I've now got the stem raised about an inch over the saddle to
compensate, but it feels too high for me and my right pinkie is still
numb.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: A sob story and a WTB plea

[Jay]

Did you do that solo?
Too bad about the bag.

Jay

On Sep 19, 5:05 am, BykMor  wrote:
> Hello friends,
>
> I just completed a wonderful, if not quite pleasant, ride on my racing
> Rivendell Rambouillet. 420 miles from Salt Lake City to St George, UT in 28
> hours and 1 minute (http://salttosaint.com/). We didn't get many pictures,
> but here I am 
> (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KARNLpmQ24hBc7khJ3Jy7Q?feat=dir...)
> at the start about to attach a rain jacket, which would get MUCH use, on to
> the small Sackville TrunkSack. It can be seen hiding behind my helmet there.
> The trunk matches perfectly with the green Rambouillet, Brooks saddle, bar
> tape... or I should say, "matched". After all of the aforementioned items
> carried me, in fine fashion, all the way to southern Utah, someone decided
> to steal my TrunkSack right off of my bike. Rivendell doesn't have the green
> sack any more, so I am hoping one of you fine folks might have one in your
> basement that is not being used and would be willing to part with it. I
> don't want it if it's being put to good service. If you can help please
> contact me. Thank you.
>
> Long live long rides,
> BykMor
> aka Steve Wasmund

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[RBW] My Sam is skipping and/or ghost shifting

[Jay]

Sheldon Brown says skipping is chain wear and ghost shifting is cable
friction under the BB.
I checked / treated for both. Jumped at the chance to try my new Park
chain wear checker. A little grease on the cable guide. Just like the
man said.

No dice.

It happens quite a lot, mostly and perhaps only in my 15 tooth cog.
Not life threatening but certainly an annoyance.

Rear D is also new, long cage Shimano, nothing special but seems to
work fine otherwise.

Chain tension and chain line seem OK.

Ideas, anyone?

Thanks,
Jay

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[RBW] Re: My Sam is skipping and/or ghost shifting

[Jay]

I fooled with the barrel adjuster on the read derailer today.
At first I went too far and messed up the shifting.
Halfway back and now everything seems fine.
Could that be it? I'd be grateful for an explanation.
Meanwhile I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that the skipping
doesn't come back.

Jay

On Sep 19, 10:04 pm, Jay  wrote:
> Sheldon Brown says skipping is chain wear and ghost shifting is cable
> friction under the BB.
> I checked / treated for both. Jumped at the chance to try my new Park
> chain wear checker. A little grease on the cable guide. Just like the
> man said.
>
> No dice.
>
> It happens quite a lot, mostly and perhaps only in my 15 tooth cog.
> Not life threatening but certainly an annoyance.
>
> Rear D is also new, long cage Shimano, nothing special but seems to
> work fine otherwise.
>
> Chain tension and chain line seem OK.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Jay

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[RBW] Re: S24O Packing & securing load

[Jay]

One thing that has worked for me is to pack my tent poles separately
from the rest of the tent. The tent can go in a pannier or saddle bag
and the poles get lashed to whatever.

Jay

On Sep 23, 2:16 pm, "opa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> I'm looking for how-to tips, tricks, guide, (good pictures would be very
> helpful) for packing and securing a S24O load on my Riv.  I've tried to make
> out details from the tiny pictures on Riv's site but they simply aren't
> close-up enough.   I have an Atlantis, front Wald basket, rear IRC rack, and
> a Carradice Nelson longflap.   Plan on carrying sleeping pad & bag, small
> tent, usual accoutrements for a one night outing.  No, I don't have anyone
> nearby that does S240's or, touring, for that matter, to learn from.   I
> discovered quickly that while I can pack a car tight & tidy for a vacation,
> loading a bike up is another matter.  For instance, if I move the tent to
> just behind the seat on the rear rack, and then put the Carradice bag behind
> it (for easy access) - how do I attach the bag to the rack?  (it normally
> attaches to the seat)..for that matter what is the standard way to secure
> big stuff to the rack when not using panniers?  Bungee cords?...3/8" braided
> rope?...giant velcro strips?   By the way I'm looking for neat, simple ways,
> not massive ugly knots etc.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert Opalko

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[RBW] Re: Fitting on the Sam Hillborne

[Jay]

Another data point here.
I've got a 56 cm Sam and a PBH ~86.
I wouldn't mind a bit more clearance.
If I were an 84 I'd want to try the 54.

Jay


On Sep 23, 8:04 pm, Peter M  wrote:
> Need someone who owns a HIllborne who can tell me what the real
> standover is on the 56cm. Called Riv and was told that it would be a
> bit too big for someone with a 84cm pbh but have heard from other
> people that it should be fine with just a few cm clearance. I ride a
> 58cm raleigh international right now but wanted to move up to
> something more sturdy for a bigger guy. I was also thinking of the San
> Marcos in 54cm but not sure if that can support 240lbs of my fat ass.
> Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks

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[RBW] Stem length question - WTB shorter replacement - how short???

[Jay]

I have a Sam Hillborne with a 10 cm stem Technomic and Noodle bars 5
cm above saddle height.

This feels too short. I can reach all the various positions with my
arms almost totally straight, but not locked.

Also, I would like to try lowering the bars a few cms. Dusting off my
high school trig - lowering the stem 3.25 cm puts the bars 1 cm
farther away. change in stem height. With my current stem this is too
far.

So -
1. Do I want 8 cm or 9?
2. Does anyone have one they want to get rid off?
3. Does anyone want to buy the 10 cm, with 500 miles and a few
scratches on it?

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Stem length question - WTB shorter replacement - how short???

[Jay]

Patrick,

It is definitely too far at 2 cm above sadle height. I tried it and
put it right back to 5 cm above.

Looking back at my OP, I should have explained better.
I am trying to decide between a 9 cm stem at the current height and an
8 cm stem at 2 cm above.

How can I know (or guess well) which I'd like better without buying 2
more stems?

Jay

On Oct 1, 9:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Here is a very useful tool:http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php
>
> Of course you can simply try lowering the stem and see how it feels;
> "too far" is something that only you can decide.
>
> I wonder at your statement saying that your arms are almost locked in
> certain positions. IME, a comfortable setup has your elbows in a
> relaxed bend in all except perhaps the hooks position and even there
> you want some bend.
>
> On a serendipitous note: the new Ken Rogers (OK! Enough about the
> trike, already!) has a longer tt than my other bikes (58 versus 56.5
> or 57) and I was afraid that even replacing the 10 cm stem I'd need a
> 7 or so, but I found that the st angle is quite a bit slacker than 73*
> so that I could use a Nitto 8 lying around, also about 3 cm below
> saddle, and the cockpit fit like my other good fitting road bikes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Jay  wrote:
> > I have a Sam Hillborne with a 10 cm stem Technomic and Noodle bars 5
> > cm above saddle height.
>
> > This feels too short. I can reach all the various positions with my
> > arms almost totally straight, but not locked.
>
> > Also, I would like to try lowering the bars a few cms. Dusting off my
> > high school trig - lowering the stem 3.25 cm puts the bars 1 cm
> > farther away. change in stem height. With my current stem this is too
> > far.
>
> > So -
> > 1. Do I want 8 cm or 9?
> > 2. Does anyone have one they want to get rid off?
> > 3. Does anyone want to buy the 10 cm, with 500 miles and a few
> > scratches on it?
>
> > Jay
>
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[RBW] Re: Non-existant Tire

[Jay]

I've used those Contis in 559-47. Didn't much care for it. Too many
flats and didn't roll well.

I liked the 32-559 Sport Contact though.

YMMV

Jay

On Oct 3, 5:45 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
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> Sorry.  This is it -- but the tire may not be what you're looking 
> for.http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/t...
> 
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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

[Jay]

The last RR had a page with pictures and profiles of all the current
models.
Probably doesn't add any new information but it might be helpful to
look at.

Jay

On Oct 5, 6:40 am, René Sterental  wrote:
> Forth utmost versatility, today I'd tell you to go for the Hinqapillar. You
> cannot go wrong with the Atlantis either, but for higher bars, greater loads
> and do it all, I just love my Hunqapillar a tiny bit more than I love my
> Atlantis... Especially with Bullmoose bars...
>
> I'm 5'11" and ride a 61 Atlantis/Homer and a 58 Hunqapillar.
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Leslie makes some excellent points. You also may want to talk to
> Grant/Mark/John, et al, about weight limits for each bike. I know the
> Atlantis is built a little stouter than the Sam, but I doubt you exceed the
> limits of either. Other than that and Leslie's advice about tire preference,
> I say, pick the one you like staring at the longest.
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[RBW] Re: Stem length question - WTB shorter replacement - how short???

[Jay]

After playing around a little more with height and rotation, I found a
lightly used 9cm on Amazon of all places.
I'll let you know how it goes.

FWIW rotating the bars a little bit makes a huge difference in which
position is more comfortable. Flat ramps = most comfortable on the
ramps. Rotating the bars down just a little bits puts me in the drops
most of the time.

Jay

On Oct 7, 4:48 pm, Steve  wrote:
> I have a 9 cm (measured end-to-end) stem made by Nitto, Not sure what
> model it is, but it's shorter than the technomic dynamic with only 140
> mm length and 85 mm above the minimum in insertion line.  Further,
> it's for 25.4 mm clamp diameter bars and has a hole drilled and tapped
> for the installation of a bell.  Willing to sell for cheap if you're
> (or anyone else) is interested.
>
> On Oct 1, 11:29 am, Jay  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have a Sam Hillborne with a 10 cm stem Technomic and Noodle bars 5
> > cm above saddle height.
>
> > This feels too short. I can reach all the various positions with my
> > arms almost totally straight, but not locked.
>
> > Also, I would like to try lowering the bars a few cms. Dusting off my
> > high school trig - lowering the stem 3.25 cm puts the bars 1 cm
> > farther away. change in stem height. With my current stem this is too
> > far.
>
> > So -
> > 1. Do I want 8 cm or 9?
> > 2. Does anyone have one they want to get rid off?
> > 3. Does anyone want to buy the 10 cm, with 500 miles and a few
> > scratches on it?
>
> > Jay

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[RBW] Yom Kippur and friction shifting

[Jay]

Don't know how much anyone outside of Israel is aware of this, but the
holiest day of the Jewish year is a bicycle paradise here in the holy
land. Almost no one drives and the kids (and me) take to the street,
including major highways. You can ride all day and see maybe 10 cars
but thousands of bikes wherever you look. The kids look forward to it
all year, which is pretty funny since it is traditionally quite a
serious holiday being the day of atonement and all.

I always take my son on a long ride and all you hear is the whirr of
bicycle wheels.

Riv content, I took advantage of the opportunity to try the friction
option on my bar ends. I'm an instant convert.
Why didn't I do that earlier?

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

[Jay]

Save your groaning, cussing anf huffing for climbing hills.
Get one of a Kool Stop tire bead jack, one of these
http://sheldonbrown.com/flats.html#tirelevers
Works great, 11 buck, Amazon has them.

Jay


On Nov 11, 1:58 am, Marc Schwartz  wrote:
> Tried mounting some 700c Challenge Parigi Robaix clincher tires on my Heron 
> Tourer/ Rando. Mavic MA3 and A719 rims. Well, peeple, I tugged and I pulled 
> and I levered and I groaned and I cussed and I huffed and I puffed and I blew 
> the house down and ...no que le vamos! I gave up and put the Jack Brown 
> blues back on. Anyone else have issues with these? Any Tips?
>
> Thanks,
> Marc

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[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

[Jay]

Great tips here. I too always finish opposite the valve.
Just to be clear, the Kool Stop thing is not a lever. It's a ...
something else, designed specifically to mount tires without damaging
anything.
The link I posted above has a picture and a better explaination.

Jay

On Nov 12, 3:39 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
> The guy in the video misses one trick - it totally matters where you
> start.  You want the very LAST bit of the bead you pull over the rim
> to be AT THE VALVE.  The worst case is to finish opposite the valve,
> because that will prevent the bead from dropping into the 'well' of
> the rim.  Start just left of the valve and proceed around to the left,
> finishing back at the valve letting air out of the tube as needed.
> When you can go no further, let all the air out of the tube, and
> starting opposite the valve push the bead into the center of the rim
> well, and pull it tight in both directions towards the valve.  That
> gives you as much slack as possible to pop the last bit of bead over
> the rim.  Just as the bead goes over the rim, push the valve stem up
> to allow the tire bead to drop in under the valve without pinching the
> tube.
>
> With that procedure pretty much any tire can be mounted without
> tools.
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 11, 9:12 am, Minh  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > this guy helped me!
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XUFVrl0UT4
>
> > On Nov 11, 10:13 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > The key to mounting a super tight tire without using levers at all is
> > > getting down into the rim well.  Some of the uber stiff Schwalbes and
> > > Continentals can be really challenging.
>
> > > Theres another video out there where he uses toe straps a few times around
> > > the tire to hold the bead down in the well until he gets the last bit on.
> > > All that said, there are rim+tire combos that are really 
> > > snuggy-dee-williams

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[RBW] Re: $10 coupon working now

[Jay]

Coupon? What coupon? I didn't see any coupon?

On Nov 18, 7:05 pm, Dave Rivbike  wrote:
> Sorry for the delay

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[RBW] Re: Touch-up paint for original green Sam

[Jay]

I used this on mine.
It's not as beautiful as the original paint, but the color matches
very well.

Sally Hansen Lacquer Shine Nail Color #03 Glow
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00367KLR6/ref=oh_o06_s00_i00_details

My kids thought it was hysterical that Daddy was buying nail polish.

Jay


On Dec 13, 2:05 am, Thomas B  wrote:
> I am having trouble finding recommendations for touch-up paint. Would
> appreciate group knowledge!

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar: crotch-worried

[Jay]

Another data point for you:

I am 5'11", PBH 86-87.
I ride a 56 Sam which fits me very well, but I wouldn't want the
standoverany higher.
If I was looking for a Hunq I would need to ride one first, which you
may not be easily able to do.
That's probably not very helpful, sorry.

Jay

On Dec 16, 3:11 am, cbone97  wrote:
> So...I have my bride's blessing to get a Hunq. Yay! I'm 5'10.5" tall
> and I've measured my PBH with the Riv paint sticks method and get an
> 87. Both Grant and Keven say go with the 58 Hunq for sure. I KNOW that
> should be the last word, end all. But, the Hunq page size
> recommendations and the geo charts put me on the fence, ie I can't
> help but wonder if I'd be more comfortable on the 54. I don't care if
> I don't have 2" of standover, but I also don't want my PH strained
> over the bike when I stand flat footed.  I tend to wear shoes that
> aren't going to add a lot of height.  I don't think I'd ever want/need
> to run the biggest tires the Hunq will handle, but it'd be nice to
> know I could do Big Apple 50's with no worries.  So...is anyone out
> there with a comparable PBH who can put my mind at ease on the 58
> Hunq, or otherwise say that I needn't fear the "Big Riv" sizing?
> Thanks in advance, looking forward to sharing pics of my (hopefully 58
> - I like the diagatube) Hunq.

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[RBW] Thanks to Mike from Warwck RI

[Jay]

The stem he sold me just arrived.
International shipping turned out to be no big deal - $13 and about a
week.
Amazon sent me the wrong size and it had to go back.
Mike got it right.
So I had something to open tonight for Hanuka.

Happy holidays everyone.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns or Schwalbe Marathon Supremes?

[Jay]

I'm using 32 Supremes on my Hillborne.
I'm very happy with them as a tire that is both light and puncture
resistant, but I'd hardly call them zippy.
Never tried the Jack Browns, but I would guess that they a little feel
nicer and maybe faster, with a little less flat resistance.

Jay

On Dec 20, 8:33 pm, Chris Lampe  wrote:
> I'm working on retrofitting an old mid-90's hybrid bicycle and one of
> the changes I want to make is new tires.  I'm trying to decide between
> the Jack Brown's and the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700 x 35c.
>
> Has anyone ridden both and can comment on any significant
> differences?  I'm guessing they are going to come out within 2 mm of
> each other in width.  Will one be "cushier"?  Will one be "firmer"?
> Will one seem quicker?
>
> I'm currently running Specialized Nimbus 700 x 38c tires and although
> they are more comfortable than smaller tires, there is a noticeable
> amount of increased road resistance, which I don't like.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Quickbeam 54cm

[Jay]

Pardon my ignorance, I rode an old mountain bike through the whole
single speed era.
I get the flip-flop in the rear, but how do you shift between chain
rings?

Too small for me anyway. Which is probably a good thing.
Beautiful bike.

Jay

On Dec 29, 10:36 am, moshmosh  wrote:
> For sale, Rivendell Quickbeam 54cm, frameset built in Japan. Great
> condition, no dings or dents in frame. Recently rebuilt with new
> chain, cables, housing and bottom bracket. Rustproofed with
> Boeshield.
>
> Build info:
> - Jitensha flat bars, Nitto Pearl stem (100mm), Brooks B17 Special
> (fancy copper rivets)
> - Shimano cantis, Paul canti-levers
> - Stock Sugino crankset (38,32T), White Industries Dos Eno freewheel
> (16,18T), SRAM chain
> - Stock rear wheel with dual freewheel threadings, front is the
> Shimano Dynohub (DH-37N1) with a Busch & Miller Lumotec light
> - Nitto mini-front rack and pedals are included in sale
>
> Pictures:https://picasaweb.google.com/108750720565780164683/RivendellQuickbeam...
>
> Asking $1425/shipped within the continental United States.

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[RBW] Re: Build kits!

[Jay]

If this had been available in the summer I would have probably done
it.
Since it wasn't, I spent a lot of time working with an excellent LBS
to spec my Sam - mostly because Riv was a lot more $ for the same
stuff.
This way would have come out about the same price, less effort and
probably a few smarter decisions on parts.

Maybe for the next one.

Jay

On Jan 27, 7:20 am, dougP  wrote:
> John:
>
> Wonderful concept but one bit of whining about the 9 speed cassette:
>
> 11-32 instead of the 12-36?
>
> I hate to come on like I'm grading papers but IMHO 11t cogs are
> useless but a 36t has real value.  Sometimes its the little stuff
> that's the difference between good & great.
>
> dougP
>
> On Jan 26, 12:08 pm, John Bennett  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thanks for noticing, Leslie. These are the components that work so
> > well together on our frames (and we recommend them time and time
> > again), so we thought we would make it easier for everyone by offering
> > them as kits. We knocked a little of the collective price to make it
> > more attractive, too.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > John at RBW
>
> > On Jan 26, 9:48 am, Leslie  wrote:
>
> > > Check it out!
>
> > >http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/build-03.htm-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Build kits!

[Jay]

Any idea why the 8 speed Noodle kit with should be $120 more than  the
9 speed Albas?
As far as I can see everything else is the same.

Jay

On Feb 3, 4:14 am, Leslie  wrote:
> On Friday, January 27, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-5, Darin G. wrote:
>
> > Are these only available with albatross bars or am I missing
> > something?
>
> They are now showing Noodles, Albatross, and Moustache bars; pick the bar,
> pick the wheelsize, and Bob's your uncle...
>
>  :)

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[RBW] Re: Build kits!

[Jay]

It still doesn't make sense to me.

Albas $60 + grips $24 + tiagra levers $55 = $139
Noodles $81 + shimano levers $33 = $114
Everything else looks the same.

I'm just asking out of curiousity and because I happened to notice.
I'm quite happy with the pick it yourself build home brew build kit on
my Sam.
If these kits were available when I build mine this probably would
have driven me nuts, since I wanted the Noodles. As it is I think I
may have been better off with Albas, but that's another story.

Jay


On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, Dave Rivbike  wrote:
> the 8sp was a typo. all kits are 9.
> noodles and tiagra brake levers cost more than the alba/mtb levers
>
> On Feb 2, 8:25 pm, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Any idea why the 8 speed Noodle kit is $120 more than the 9 speed
> > Albas?
> > As far as I can tell everything else is the same.
>
> > Jay
>
> > On Feb 3, 4:14 am, Leslie  wrote:
>
> > > On Friday, January 27, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-5, Darin G. wrote:
>
> > > > Are these only available with albatross bars or am I missing
> > > > something?
>
> > > They are now showing Noodles, Albatross, and Moustache bars; pick the bar,
> > > pick the wheelsize, and Bob's your uncle...
>
> > >  :)

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

[Jay]

I hear you 'fourflys', I was undecided before going with the DT and the 
RRSL levers.  My Fargo has brifters and on the mixed-surface, often 
technical trails I ride, it's very handy.  My road bike has brifters.  I 
decided I wanted to try something different, plus I like the idea of them 
being friction, and the simplicity of them (oh, and the lower cost, as I 
didn't have brifters on hand, like I did other parts).  I had DT shifters 
on a bike I built up around 10 years ago and liked them.  This bike will 
mainly be ridden on paved roads, and occasional gravel roads and rail 
trails (80/20), so I'm sure it will be fine.  But once I ride it, we'll see 
how I adjust.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't 
> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 
>
> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I 
> have on it.. 
>
> Chris 
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>
>> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
>> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>>
>> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
>> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
>> be visiting Montreal.
>>
>> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
>> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
>> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
>> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
>> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
>> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>>
>> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, 
>> but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
>> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
>> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>>
>> Photos to come in February.  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

[Jay]

Looks great.  You have me questioning the Dark Gold I selected ;-)

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> For the seat height inquiries:
>
> Both my bikes are currently 41” top of saddle to the ground. The Roadini 
> has less BB drop so top of saddle to crank bolt center is 31”, where the 
> Sam is 31.5”. I may end up raising the saddle on the Roadini. Hard to 
> compare a broken in B17 to C17 as well. I could probably raise both seats 
> 1” and still have a knee bend at bottom of pedal stroke. 
>
> I am 6’1” with 89cm PBH 
>
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:10 AM, John Bokman  wrote:
>
> Brenton, thanks for the post; nice looking bike. As weather allows, 
> please let us know how this bike rides compared to your Sam (especially 
> when it was in drop-bar mode). I'm sure I'm not the only Sam rider who is 
> curious about this comparison.
>
>
>
> John
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but it 
>> was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.
>>
>> It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland 
>> snow+ice+wind. Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about 
>> components I was only mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used 
>> parts on eBay was surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components 
>> that most folks ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, 
>> highly recommend watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and 
>> educational instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

[Jay]

While I'm not concerned with the weight I'll land on after the build, I 
would like to keep up with my friend who I ride weekly with.  He's good 
going my speed (he's naturally faster), and I'm hoping the speed on this 
bike isn't much lower than my current road bike.  Like many say, it's the 
total weight including the rider that counts...so I started eating better 
since ordering the frame to see if total weight is the same, or better!  I 
do have a second wheel set I'm planning to use, occasionally, and those 
wheels together with then 30mm tires will be lighter, and have better hubs 
(will be interesting to see how they feel when riding compared to the other 
wheels with 43mm GKSS).

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:34:41 AM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It weighed 23 pounds with pump, water bottle cage, pedals but no toolkit: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/putting-together-my-roadini.html
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 5:32 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Piaw: I'm curious, how light is your Roadini?
>>
>> More general question to the audience: How does the current Roadini 
>> differ from the original Sam Hillborne? I owned one of the latter and it 
>> would be interesting to use this Sam as a gauge for understanding the 
>> Roadini.
>>
>> Aside: I'm thinking (just thinking; action may come but later) of turning 
>> that Libertas into an on-and-offroad beater because I think it will take a 
>> 38 mm tire. The original issue Sam was limited to IIRC 38 or 40 mm tires so 
>> I hope that this might be a more nimble handling and lighter (and 
>> beater-sh) Sam surrogate.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 8:44 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>>> I went with 11s and a single DT shifter (I'm running 1x11) and I treat 
>>> my Roadini as a gravel bike. It's great. Usually I climb on the road so 
>>> shifting is not a problem, and descending who cares what gears you're in. 
>>> But on the few occasions I did a a dirt climb and I'd just shift into the 
>>> lowest gear and stay there. My goal for the Roadini was to make it as light 
>>> as possible (given the relatively heavy frame) while still able to do hard 
>>> climbs. It hasn't disappointed.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
>>>> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
>>>> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I 
>>>> don't 
>>>> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 
>>>>
>>>> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group 
>>>> I have on it.. 
>>>>
>>>> Chris 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this 
>>>>> sounds like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
>>>>> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
>>>>> be visiting Montreal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For 
>>>>> now though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be 
>>>>> using those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some 
>>>>> handbill wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my 
>>>>> Fargo 
>>>>> in the winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro 
>>>>> RRL brake levers, and Tektro brakes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, 
>>>>> but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on 
>>>>> local 
>>>>> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
>>>>> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos to come in February.  
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[RBW] Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Jay]

Next week I'll be throwing a leg over a Roadini for the first time (I 
posted a couple weeks ago about the frame I ordered) and I thought I was 
set on my saddle, but decided yesterday I need to try something very 
different.  

A little bit of background before I get to my question...

When I started cycling around 20 years ago I had Brooks B17 on my road bike 
(custom geometry, not too aggressive) and a Masi commuter bike.  It was a 
while ago so I can't recall what I liked about them, and why I eventually 
stopped using them, but I do recall one memory...I always used padded bib 
shorts (still do) and one day in the winter I went for a 2hr ride and only 
realized when I got home that I just had on my underwear and tights.  In at 
least that way for me at that time, the saddle was that comfortable.

Since that time I've used a lot of plastic saddles from Fizik, Selle Italia 
and the latest is a Prologo (147mm wide, with a bit of padding).  I used 
this saddle on two bikes the last 4 months and it was a noticeable 
improvement over the Selle Italia saddles I was using previously.  I 
thought this is what I would use on the Roadini (and still may, in the long 
run).  But when I use it on my Salsa Fargo (bar level with saddle) and ride 
for 2+ hours, I get friction and general discomfort.  And can I ride 
without padded bib shorts?  Heck no, I can't even go around my block 
without bibs when using this saddle.

To get to my point, I ordered a B17 in Honey to try out on my Roadini.  I'm 
getting it tomorrow and I'm going to try it on my Fargo (nice weather for 
next little while).  I know that overall I need to be patient, only change 
one thing at a time, and only small adjustments.

My thinking, where I wanted to get your input, is that I would be set up 
the bike so saddle and bars are level, and will likely start with the 
saddle level (from what I recall this will have the rear of the saddle 
where my sit bones are located, pointed down a bit, but that's how my 
Prologo is today and I can ride in the drops and take my hands off and I'm 
balanced...so I think I'll start there and see how it goes).

Any other words of wisdom that I can consider?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: [RBW] Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Jay]

Thanks for all the wisdom.  And the humour (Eric).

I installed the saddle and tinkered with initial set up in my basement. 
 Proceeded to go out for ride one, around the block.  These very short 
rides tell me if I'm way off.  I was.  Made adjustments about five more 
times, going around my block once or twice each time.  Felt better, but 
never comfortable.  Went out for a 10k ride.  Stopped twice to adjust.  I 
had the saddle level in the back, which puts the nose up (as you know). 
 That had me neither sliding forward or backward, but it wasn't 
comfortable.  I felt like the tilt was right (no slide), height was good 
(decent extension at bottom of stroke), and I'm guessing fore/aft was 
good...no leg pain. Hard to say what was uncomfortable; I felt the skirt of 
the saddle, and general discomfort around the sit bones (not the sit bone 
pin-point area itself).  

When I ride my Prologo (147mm wide) I am very comfortable for 1-2 hours, 
then it slowly becomes uncomfortable (friction/chafing).  The Prologo was 
comfortable from ride one (after the small adjustments per my routine).  On 
my Fargo, where I'm riding it like a drop-bar mountain bike on 'green' 
trails in my area, I stand a lot, and I can ride long without discomfort. 
 Long road rides, however, not so good.  Same saddle on my road bike, bit 
better at the 2-3hr mark.

Not sure where to go from here!  I don't think I'll bring the saddle for 
the Roadini fitting, but I won't get rid of it.  We'll see how this unfolds 
:-)

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:

> I've owned many B17 saddles, and there is variability, and in my 
> experience, less variability in the Special than in the Standard. So if you 
> don't like the B17 you try, it may just be you don't like *that* particular 
> B17. 
>
> I've always thought that Brooks should do a little pressure test mid-way 
> on the saddle to address the variability in the leather. In my experience, 
> some seem made for more robust torsos, and some for much less. I regret 
> selling a just right one to a very nice person here in town, but am more 
> pleased to know how well it suits him. 
>
> For starters, I always adjust a B17 to nose up by a tip of the thumb 
> thickness at the back from level. That gets me good enough. 
>
> If further micro-adjustment is needed, I have a small round magnet that 
> Riv provided with my Hobson Zingo (is that right?) Allen key that remains 
> on the bike's head tube and then temporarily set my 4 or 5mm key handy and 
> (ideally) have a seat post with a fore and aft screw for the adjustment. 
>
> I recall an old video of Eddy Merckx micro adjusting his saddle height 
> while out on a ride. Makes me feel just like Eddy. 
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 9:26:36 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I believe that it all depends on your riding posture in the angle of 
>> which your pelvis and your seat bones rest on the saddle. See attachment 
>> diagram. 
>>
>> It is a personal choice and preference as much as one's bum is different 
>> from the next person's. 
>>
>> I ride in an upright riding position my Clem with my B66S saddle's nose 
>> titled up slightly. I wear padded cycling shorts. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:28:13 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to speak along similar lines, perhaps not as forthrightly. 
>>> But I found angle more critical on Brookses for some reason than on any 
>>> other saddle, including other leather makes.
>>>
>>> After trying several B 17s, a B 17N, a Champion Flyer, and a Pro, the 
>>> one Brooks that I found comfortable *(very* comfortable except for tilt 
>>> adjustment) was the Pro -- the others chafed or pressed or obtruded. I 
>>> positioned the Pro tilted slightly up on a bike with drop bar below saddle. 
>>> But I could never get the tilt just right, and I had a rather nice seatpost 
>>> with separate angle adjustment bolt that allowed stepless adjustment. With 
>>> the slippery surface I was either sliding forward onto the bar or feeling 
>>> pressure, and after I had commuted on it for 18 or 24 months or so I went 
>>> back to original issue Flites which I now have on all my bikes.
>>>
>>> I almost never ride in padded shorts and the lined shorts I occasionally 
>>> use have very thin chamoises or (1 pair) a very thin synthetic layer just 
>>> to prevent seam chafing -- I *hate* thick pads. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 6:04 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 My technique for dialing in a Brooks:

 1. Loosen seat post bolt
 2. Remove Brooks saddle
 3. Replace with any other plastic saddle I happen to have nearby
 4. Enjoy the better comfort, less slipperiness, lighter weight, and 
 zero maintenance.

 YMMV :)

 Eric

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Jay]

I've been thinking a lot about saddles since yesterday's experiment.  I was 
reading the articles on bike.bikegremlin.com and I had some good 
take-away's.  

For one, I re-measured my sit bone width, and it was 115mm (I'm 155 pounds, 
32" waist and 6'0, so I have a skinny butt!).  

Two: I think what's always been odd about me is how I sit on a saddle. 
 Although I'm flexible (can easily bend over and touch the floor, almost 
palms on the floor), I don't like an aero position because I have a 
long-term issue with my cervical spine.  It's much better, but I just 
prefer more upright than your typical roadie (I would think I'm around 55 
degree spine angle).  I can't explain how I sit on the saddle but a couple 
of bike fitters have made general comments (that I can't recall).

Third and key for me, is saddle shape.  I've had the best luck on flat 
saddles tail to tip (not wavy), t-shaped, and flat curvature from side to 
side.  And if they have a cut out, it needs to be very small and not have 
edges that can dig into me.

When I sit on a saddle that is too wide (I think my 147mm is too wide), I'm 
sitting forward, because my legs can't clear at the bottom of the pedal 
stroke.  Add a wide cut out to that (that is widest in the middle of the 
saddle) and I'm sitting on the widest part of the cut-out, which may dig 
into me.  Basically, I want my sit bones on the widest/flattest part of the 
saddle.

If I was very upright, a B17 might work, but that's not how I ride (in 
particular with drop bars).  In the drops (love flared drops) I'm probably 
45-50 spine angle, on the tops maybe 60.

I'm now going on the hunt for a saddle around 140mm wide, and relatively 
flat in both directions.  I'll give that a shot and see how it goes!

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 1:11:52 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm perfectly comfortable on B17s, and always have been... but I've 
> recently (past 2-3 years) switched to Berthoud saddles. I think one of the 
> issues Brooks saddles can have is that there seem to be inconsistencies in 
> the quality and thickness of the leather used. I'm still using a 15 year 
> old B17 Special that is very comfortable and still holding up strong, but 
> I've had a couple other B17s come and go since I first purchased this one. 
> I guess this one was just an especially good one, or whatever. You'll pay 
> more for other brands like Berthoud or Ideale but the leather is noticeably 
> better quality than what I've found on Brooks. A purely subjective data 
> point, but I've never bothered with padded shorts or chamois. I wear 
> regular shorts or pants with merino boxers no matter what type of ride or 
> ride length.
>
> -Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 12:43:59 PM UTC-5 Mojo wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> Here is my data point FWIW. I adjust my B17s to be nose up higher than 
>> back-of-saddle up. In other words, my saddle has less of a nose-up position 
>> less than the back flat position discussed here, creating a hammock shape, 
>> but again with the nose a bit higher than the back.
>>
>> I find B17s quite comfortable for day riding, but it literally wears on 
>> me on multiday tours. I have found the Berthoud Aspin, 157mm width, to be 
>> much more comfortable and more expensive. The WTB Pure, 148mm width, does 
>> well for day rides and costs so much less. Both tilt adjusted as described 
>> above.
>>
>> Joe in GJT 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 6:52:51 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the wisdom.  And the humour (Eric).
>>>
>>> I installed the saddle and tinkered with initial set up in my basement. 
>>>  Proceeded to go out for ride one, around the block.  These very short 
>>> rides tell me if I'm way off.  I was.  Made adjustments about five more 
>>> times, going around my block once or twice each time.  Felt better, but 
>>> never comfortable.  Went out for a 10k ride.  Stopped twice to adjust.  I 
>>> had the saddle level in the back, which puts the nose up (as you know). 
>>>  That had me neither sliding forward or backward, but it wasn't 
>>> comfortable.  I felt like the tilt was right (no slide), height was good 
>>> (decent extension at bottom of stroke), and I'm guessing fore/aft was 
>>> good...no leg pain. Hard to say what was uncomfortable; I felt the skirt of 
>>> the saddle, and general discomfort around the sit bones (not the sit bone 
>>> pin-point area itself).  
>>>
>>> When I ride my Prologo (147mm wide) I am very comfortable for 1-2 hours, 
>>> then it slowly becomes un

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Jay]

Love these photos, and the contrasts in builds.  I have a Roadini (2 weeks 
old)...maybe a Sam will be in my future.

On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 11:01:56 AM UTC-5 Cal Patterson wrote:

> Here's mine in a light snow last fall.  2x9, fendered 42's.  Love the 
> upside down Billie bars.  It is such a great ride, handles like a dream.
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 7:37:13 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 05F29C48-D89B-4E95-818C-47654DE56CBA.jpeg]
>>
>> On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 12:30:19 AM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I like this photo from last weekend for the rustic vibes 
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-02-22 at 9.26.02 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 20 February 2024 at 08:33:42 UTC-8 brianmark...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 48mm. I also had bilenky dimple the chain stays; it fit a 48 without it 
 but it was a tad close

 On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Oooh... I really like the look and the idea of this one!.. How bit a 
> 650b tire does it fit now? 
>
> - Max "wish I had friends with acetylene torches" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-5 
> brianmark...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here’s mine, I’ve had it for two years or so. 56cm double tt, got the 
>> frame in this group, had a friend add canti bosses at 650b, and had it 
>> painted at Bilenky cycles in Philly. My favorite bike aside from my 
>> cargo 
>> bike, and I have to constantly convince myself it’s not the only bike I 
>> need. Currently in “rando” mode, but I’ve mostly had it with a basket in 
>> front and R14 in the rear. Really can do pretty much everything, and so 
>> comfortably! 
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_3348.JPG]
>>> 14 years and 4 months old...best bike I've ever had.
>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 11:36:22 AM UTC-8 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 Paul, I have a A.H. Homer for spirted mixed-surface riding. But I 
 figured I would get a 2015 (new) Sam Hillborne  for my touring needs. 
 It is 
 a bit stouter and capable for riding fully loaded, sometimes on dirt. 
 Confidence-building off road, mainly rail trails. I have it set up 
 with a 
 Nitto rear rack and a Rivendell HAR front rack. Two to four Ortlieb 
 panniers and a Sugarloaf basket bag will take me for 5-day unsupported 
 trips without worry..
 I love this bike as a dedicated tourer but often pull the rear rack 
 for local riding. I find the mustache bars with the 100mm stem allows 
 for 
 "stretching out" on longer days in the saddle. 
 I'm outfitted with 35mm tires because of the VO fenders, which I 
 find very helpful for mid-Atlantic and mid-West multi-day touring. I'd 
 love 
 to try it on the C&O Towpath with wider rubber, but would miss the 
 comfort 
 that fenders give.
 Here's my "Tuxedo Sam":
 [image: IMG_8012.jpeg] 

 Also:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/53503542529/in/dateposted-public/

 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.
 On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:24:03 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> Here are some pictures of my Hillborne, 2020 model in "Dark Gold" 
> with Cantilever bosses and the seatstay "socket" lug.
> I purchased the frame new through Golden Pliers here in PDX and 
> built it up myself, including wheels.
> Build notes:
> Wheels - Rear White Industries T11 hub, front SON Dyno hub, 32h 
> laced with Sapim butted spokes to Velocity Dyed rims, currently 
> running 
> Panaracer Pasela Protite 650b x 42 tires with silver Velo Orange Wavy 
> fenders.
>
> Drivetrain - 2 x 9 with 170 Sugino XD2 triple crank with homemade 
> bashguard on outer ring, 38 x 24 middle/inner rings & 11-34 cassette, 
> shifted by Microshift thumbies,  Ultegra front and rear derailleurs 
> Jagwire 
> gold braided cable housing.
>
> Cockpit - Bosco bars and Nitto 130mm faceplate quill stem, 
> harlequin wrapped with orange and yellow Newbaums and a few coats of 
> clear 
> shellac. Paul Components orange Love Levers pulling Paul Motolite 
> brakes, 
> ESI silicone grips, Spurcycle limited-edition bell with orange 
> striker.
>
> Racks & Bags - Wald 137 basket mounted to Nitto Mark's rack with 
> Marigold Outershell basketbag and limited edition Swift 
> Industries/Camp and 
> Go Slow Sideaddladdlebagkick stem pouch. Matching Zeitgeist saddlebag 
> supported by rear-mounted Nitto M18  rack.
>
> Flickr album here: https://flic.kr/s/aH

[RBW] Sit Bone Width and Saddles

[Jay]

I'll preface this by saying I know saddles are highly subjective, and what 
works for one may not work fo you.  What I wanted to ask about is "general 
thinking".  Just wanting to confirm some thoughts I've had about this...

My sit bones are 125mm apart.  I've had them measured a few times.  This is 
when I'm sitting upright.  I believe general rule is the more upright you 
are on the bike, the wider you go with the saddle (e.g., if I'm 90 
degrees/straight up, add a few cm; aero, maybe just one cm).  Any other 
logic to share with respect to sit bones and saddle width?

My saddle is level with tops of my bars (on two of three bikes).  This puts 
me in a comfortable position, maybe 60 degrees when I'm in the hoods.  All 
three bikes have drop bars, but only the older road bike has bars below the 
saddle.  My neck and upper back feel great in this position, and I've 
previously had issues in this area, so that's a victory.

I'm still dialing in my Roadini, but for now I have a WTB Silverado on 
there (135 wide).  It's maybe a little narrow, but I've done 2hr rides and 
felt fine (pedalling is not impeded at all, and it's comfortable in the 
nether regions).  Feels like my sit bones are close to the edge but I can 
feel around there and know there is just enough room to spare.  I've had 
that same saddle on another bike and that was also fine.  Not a big fan of 
the edges on that saddle, as it's very flat across and feels like it's 
digging in a bit (a cm further out than my sit bones), but I'm trying to 
sort that out and not really my point with this post (just sharing for 
context).  Reason I went with this 135mm saddle is my previous 147mm 
Prologo felt too wide, and the cut out was digging in the nether regions. 
 So I tried something more narrow and I no longer get that discomfort.

I do have a Brooks B17, and I've had one before on an older bike, and a few 
other leather saddles over the years.  What's attracted me to them is that 
I rarely got any friction or chafing, or sit bone pain.  I do set them up, 
nose up, so rear of the saddle is flat and I'm not sliding forward.  

However, the B17 is 35mm wider than the WTB, and 45mm wider than my sit 
bones, so I'm wondering if this saddle make sense for me...and anyone else 
with similar 'specs'. I've read/watched reviews where much bigger folks 
love the saddle (some hate it too, but that's maybe about 
leather/hardness).  Some of the reviews are from people who say their sit 
bones are 150+ apart.  That gives them 10mm on either side, vs. my 22.5mm 
per side.  I realize how we sit on the saddle, torso angle, etc., are 
different, but generally speaking...like do skinny people or those with 
somewhat narrow sit bones get along great with this saddle?  If so, is 
there a set up trick for them, that is different than someone with much 
wider sit bones?  I would say my problem with it is pedalling freedom, and 
not feeling impeded by the size of the saddle, the skirt, etc.  I can't say 
for sure that's my problem with it, just giving a theory.

I'll pause there, as I'll likely get some good questions/comments and can 
take it from there.  Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sit Bone Width and Saddles

[Jay]

Thanks for the thoughts, and humour ;-)

Josiah - I had a Pro saddle a couple years ago, it was okay, but didn't 
work on that particular bike at the time (wish I still had it).

Ted - I noticed the Soma Ensho a month ago when scanning saddles (brown 
ones, for the Riv) and I didn't see availability.  On my radar though!

George - I've been sampling some (Amazon), and this has proved a wise move 
as I've returned 5 or so saddles in the last year (kept a few too).  When 
I've got a good deal at an LBS, like I did with the Brooks, I'll take the 
risk.  Usually I can sell for a small loss, depending on the saddle, but 
the used market is tough these days (at least up here in Canada).

Funny (good) thing this morning with the Brooks, I put it on my Fargo (that 
I use on mixed-use trails in my town) and went for a short ride this 
morning.  I didn't wear bib shorts.  Just some compression-type boxers with 
no seams in the wrong places, tights (was -5C) and went for a ride on the 
trails behind my house (just a few km in one direction, but I went back and 
forth for about 30 minutes).  Saddle was very comfortable!  Maybe it was 
because I wasn't wearing bibs that have just don't work for me.  I recall 
posts on another thread I started about dealing in a Brooks, where people 
mentioned not wearing padded shorts, that stuck with me and I gave it a 
shot.  I didn't have any sit bone pain, perineum discomfort and no 
friction.  I was on/off the saddle a lot (and the bike, clearing blown over 
branches) and maybe that helped...as it wasn't a 1hr+ ride of constant 
pedaling.  I'll stick with this set up for a while and see how it goes. 
 Maybe it's those darn bib shorts giving me grief (I've tried many over the 
years, with plastic saddles).  I'll report back after a few rides.

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 5:15:02 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:

> Rivet saddles used to allow you to try a bunch of their saddles before you 
> chose one to keep.  I'm not sure if they are doing that nowadays...
>
> Toshi 
>
> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 1:45 PM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> The trouble is that experimenting around with these different saddle 
>> widths, lengths, "scoops," or whatever in order to find the right fit can 
>> run into a lot of money.  Most of these saddles, Brooks especially, aren't 
>> cheap and having to buy and try one only to find that it doesn't work for 
>> you can be a difficult decision.  Too bad that someone hasn't developed a 
>> "saddle fit" device like the "fit kit" where one could experience the ride 
>> of all these different kinds of dimensions. But that's probably an 
>> impractical idea...
>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 6:45:42 PM UTC-6 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> I'll preface this by saying I know saddles are highly subjective, and 
>>> what works for one may not work fo you.  What I wanted to ask about is 
>>> "general thinking".  Just wanting to confirm some thoughts I've had about 
>>> this...
>>>
>>> My sit bones are 125mm apart.  I've had them measured a few times.  This 
>>> is when I'm sitting upright.  I believe general rule is the more upright 
>>> you are on the bike, the wider you go with the saddle (e.g., if I'm 90 
>>> degrees/straight up, add a few cm; aero, maybe just one cm).  Any other 
>>> logic to share with respect to sit bones and saddle width?
>>>
>>> My saddle is level with tops of my bars (on two of three bikes).  This 
>>> puts me in a comfortable position, maybe 60 degrees when I'm in the hoods.  
>>> All three bikes have drop bars, but only the older road bike has bars below 
>>> the saddle.  My neck and upper back feel great in this position, and I've 
>>> previously had issues in this area, so that's a victory.
>>>
>>> I'm still dialing in my Roadini, but for now I have a WTB Silverado on 
>>> there (135 wide).  It's maybe a little narrow, but I've done 2hr rides and 
>>> felt fine (pedalling is not impeded at all, and it's comfortable in the 
>>> nether regions).  Feels like my sit bones are close to the edge but I can 
>>> feel around there and know there is just enough room to spare.  I've had 
>>> that same saddle on another bike and that was also fine.  Not a big fan of 
>>> the edges on that saddle, as it's very flat across and feels like it's 
>>> digging in a bit (a cm further out than my sit bones), but I'm trying to 
>>> sort that out and not really my point with this post (just sharing for 
>>> context).  Reason I went with t

Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Jay]

Bill - that is amazing what you've already done in the first two months of 
the year!  Happy 55th!  My favourite of your goals is summiting Mount 
Diablo 5x on 5 different bikes.  I watch a lot of YouTube cycling videos, 
some from California, and it looks amazing (I'm in Ontario, an hour outside 
Toronto; I love where I live and ride, but often envious of what you have 
there in California). 

I work for a large company where it's all about goals; I get it, and 
S.M.A.R.T. is the way to go.  That said, when I ride a bike I'm not just 
disconnecting from technology, day-to-day problems, work, and anything else 
that needs disconnecting from, but when I ride it's like I'm a different 
version of myself.  This is where I get to go with the flow, not have a 
plan (or I have one, deviate from it, and often!), pause or take a break 
for any old reason, get really deep at times (in my mind), and at other 
times just be present with little thoughts other than observing what's 
around me.  I smile a lot when I ride.  I stress about nothing (99% of the 
time).  As this feeling (state) started to evolve over years of riding, 
I've done away with goals, for the most part.  I may have a goal of a 
multi-day ride to a destination, and I really enjoy planning for such 
rides; however, that is where my work-mind kicks in and I have lists, 
plans, a calculated mindset.  I do enjoy the pre-work aspect, though on 
those rides I let my other self lose control (not take control!).  Like I 
said, this has evolved over a long time and I didn't realize it was 
starting to happen until I looked back after a few years and realized it 
did.  I wonder if when I retire, will I enjoy employing some of that 
big-corporation thinking into cycling again?

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 11:22:02 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> At the beginning of the year I listed several S.M.A.R.T. goals:
>
> 10,000km ridden. (on-pace, over 500 miles/month in rainy Jan and Feb)
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes (on pace, 2 done, one 
> more next Saturday)
> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet (DONE!  I 
> finished two 200s and the 300k yesterday)
> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet (It's in June)
> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer  (on pace, I 
> knock out 100 new miles each month)
> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer.  (I'm picking this up in earnest 
> after Contra Costa is in order, but I snuck in a few wander miles while 
> doing the 300k yesterday)
> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
> birthday as a regular event  (done!)
>
> Hopefully yours are going well also.  
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:42:01 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "I think you meant "timely" instead of "timply" in your SMART acronym?"
>>
>> Indeed I did.  S.M.A.R.T. goals are a regular thing.  I didn't make up 
>> the acronym.  It's a common technique to ward off gloom and depression. 
>>  Therapists, life coaches, etc frequently recommend these things.  The 
>> great thing about it is that it's kind of self-customized.  You can line up 
>> your goals to meet the realities of your life.  
>>
>> Simple (sometimes people use Specific).  It just means it's something 
>> very clear and not ambiguous.  "Have more fun" doesn't fit.  "Be healthier" 
>> doesn't fit.  "Go to the gym twice each week" is specific and easy to know 
>> whether you did it or not.  That kind of thing
>>
>> Measurable just means it's objectively certain whether you did it or not. 
>>  There's no judgment in an objective measurement.  "lose 5 pounds" is a 
>> measurement.  
>>
>> Achievable means it'll take a little effort but if you try you'll do it. 
>>  10,000km this year is achievable for me in my current life set-up, but it 
>> does mean I'm going to have to try.  In comparison, for 2023 I barely made 
>> 3000 miles, under 5000km.  
>>
>> Relevant means it's something to build towards some other larger 
>> objective that is important to me.  My fitness goals are all aimed at 
>> extending my life and maximizing my quality of life.  
>>
>> Timely means it can happen in a reasonable amount of time.  "Ride 200,000 
>> miles in my life" is not timely.  "Live to be 90" is not timely, but it may 
>> be an outcome that is helped along.  I'm knocking out tiny smart-goals 
>> almost weekly.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:39:22 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> The trouble is that too many other things interfere with my biking - 
>>> yard work, home repairs and routine maintenance, auto repair and 
>>> maintenance, and of course, the weather which can be unpredictable, 
>>> especially in these latitudes.  IIRC the last 100 miler I rode was 
>>> something like 2007, the last 100K was maybe a year or two later.  During 
>>> those years I managed to squeeze around 1,500 miles out of the biking 
>>> season (Spring, Summer, & Fall).  Not any more.

[RBW] Ride Reports - Where You Defied the Weather

[Jay]

Some of my most memorable rides involved bad weather.  I recall many 
moments from a ride close to 20 years ago, where halfway into a 60k ride it 
started snowing, a lot.  I rode home 30km in what accumulated to 5cm of 
snow, on 35mm tires.  I used a small backpack with a water bladder and the 
hose froze and I was out of water/food.  I stayed upright. I smiled most of 
the time (when I wasn't displaying fear when cornering), and realized that 
such rides can bring one a lot of joy.  On the flip side, I probably had 
20-30 rides last year in perfect weather...can't recall one detail.

I would love to read your ride reports where defied the weather.  I have 
one below, from this morning's ride.

*"Winter's Revenge"*
*Distance*: 40km
*Elevation*: 400m
*Temperature*: -2C to +1C
*Disclaimers*: no photos (use your visualization skills!); lot's of talk 
about non-riv bike

I woke up at 6am and checked the latest weather report on my phone while 
lying in bed: snow/rain showers starting at 8am, wind gusts up to 50km. 
 The radar showed a blue/green blob heading towards me.  

On Friday I had taken the afternoon off to ride, it was 15C with very 
little wind.  Had a great ride on Leo (Roadini; aka Goldilocks).  Didn't 
ride yesterday (Saturday).  Rest of the week looks pretty bad (and I'm 
working, so limited time to ride).  I had to ride this morning...

Went downstairs and checked out the current conditions: it was still dark, 
moderate wind, dry roads.  I made tea and did my morning loosening up 
(stretching) routine as I contemplated which bike to take, scouring the 
multiple weather sites.  Leo, with her rim brakes, double drive train, and 
43mm smooth tires, or the Fargo with her 2.2" tires, mech discs, 1x.  I'm a 
bit "soft" when it comes to my bikes so I opted for the Fargo (just 
couldn't put Leo through what might be some crappy weather).  Neither bike 
has fenders (but they're on my future acquisition list).

I rolled out in the dark, just as the sky was brightening.  It rained last 
night but as the wind was picking up and I was riding right into it, I took 
some shortcuts on tree-lined gravel paths sheltered from the wind.  After 
30 minutes the wind was a steady 20-30km/h and I can see dark clouds in the 
distance.  They were not all too distant though, as within a few more km it 
started snowing.  As it was just below 0C the snow switched between soft 
flakes to hard pellets, but wasn't all that bad at that moment.

I wanted to keep riding as I felt a lot of confidence on the Fargo, with 
her wide tires and disc brakes.  I only had one small water bottle, so I 
decided that I was going to ride a bit longer and another bottle would be 
nice, and maybe a snack, so I chose my route and rode further west, away 
from home (into the wind and weather system that was now upon me, but with 
a halfway point in mind in a town with shops).

After a small roadside break, the wind started gusting to 50km and the snow 
pellets were coming down strong, and sideways; thankfully the snow was 
melting, leaving the roads very wet, but not slippery (at this point I was 
glad Leo was at home, clean and out of trouble).  Next few km were uphill, 
into the wind, with the snow at its strongest point.  I pulled up my neck 
gaiter to cover my cheeks from the sharp pellets.  I rang my bell a few 
times and laughed out loud; a very clear moment I'll recall for some time.

At the halfway point I turned right into town and caught some tailwind, and 
a bit of sun.  I filled my water bottle and bought a Snickers at a gas 
station.  Still snowing but not as bad.  The wind also died down a bit; of 
course, I'm now riding home, down hill and down wind.  Last 20km home were 
on soaked roads, riding through puddles at times, but as it was still 
early, very little traffic and the sun ahead of me, peaking through the 
clouds here and there.

When I got home the chain was dripping in black gunk.  A quick wipe with a 
shop rag and I brought the Fargo down to the basement for cleaning.  I've 
never had a bike so easy to clean: huge clearances mean wiping down the 
frame is a breeze.  One chain ring is easier to clean than two.   I look 
over to Leo, happy again that she stayed home.

I'm thankful I have the Fargo as it's not just my trail bike (I don't 
like/own flat bar mountain bikes, so this bike's main role is no 
non-technical trails in town), but is also my all-weather bike (to a 
certain point, but studded tires and fenders may be installed next winter). 
 If I didn't have the Fargo I probably would have still went for the ride 
on Leo, but when the weather turned I would have been thinking too much 
(rim brakes, cornering on slick-ish tires, and the clean up afterwards, of 
this beautiful bike), and may have turned around early.  I'm fortunate to 
own a few bikes.

That's it!  I realize this was far from epic, but I got a lot out of the 
ride (mentally) and wanted to share.  I look forward to reading your tales, 
epic or otherwise ;

Re: [RBW] Ride Reports - Where You Defied the Weather

[Jay]

Where riding and work meet to make for interesting stories is memorable 
indeed.  That sounds so different from where I live, other than the wind.

My first bike as an adult was a Kona Blast, and I had two wheel sets.  I 
remember trying to keep up with my brother in law one day with the road 
wheels, a 40k road ride in windy conditions, him on his new Trek road bike 
(trying to ride like Lance lol); I was about 40 pounds heavier but that 
didn't matter, I was going to suffer on that bike, against him on his road 
bike.

On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 4:23:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Nothing epic here either, but I'll play. This incident sticks in my memory 
> as one of those incidents that you laugh about for the rest of your life.
>
> Probably 30 years ago, young, spry 38 or 39 year old, working in Gallup, 
> Four Corners NM, outskirts of the Navajo Reservation. Took long lunch 
> break, early April, for ride. Spring winds had Sprung up. Winter layoff; 
> fat, tired, and weak. Took the hotrodded 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper Team 
> with "road" wheelset (1 of 3: road, commuting, dirt): 559X 0.9" Specialized 
> Turbos, 48/38/26 triple (Topline?) and 12-19 7 speed cassette, (22 mm tires 
> on 19 mm OW rims = 24" diameter X 48/12 = 96" high). Rode east on Rte 66 
> with howling spring westerly behind me, big ring and small cogs, 27-28 mph, 
> thought, "Not bad, not bad, I'm in good shape!" 12-13 miles to where 66 
> disappeared into eastbound I-14. Turned around to go back.
>
> NM spring westerlies are beasts!
>
> Tailwind became headwind. Started in 38, used up cassette, admitted defeat 
> and got into the 26. Plugged away, ran out of water, plugged away until I 
> got back to office. 
>
> Exhausted, red eye from dust and wind, cramps in quads and calves, and 
> also abdominals. Cramped standing up, bent over, cramped bending over. Had 
> local-access TV show that evening (Gallup, NM; small time doesn't begin to 
> describe it, but I was PR Director for the area HC system). Went on air at 
> ~6 pm with cramps and red eyes. Never learned about the Nielsen ratings.
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 9:29 AM Jay  wrote:
>
>> Some of my most memorable rides involved bad weather.  I recall many 
>> moments from a ride close to 20 years ago, where halfway into a 60k ride it 
>> started snowing, a lot.  I rode home 30km in what accumulated to 5cm of 
>> snow, on 35mm tires.  I used a small backpack with a water bladder and the 
>> hose froze and I was out of water/food.  I stayed upright. I smiled most of 
>> the time (when I wasn't displaying fear when cornering), and realized that 
>> such rides can bring one a lot of joy.  On the flip side, I probably had 
>> 20-30 rides last year in perfect weather...can't recall one detail.
>>
>> I would love to read your ride reports where defied the weather.  I have 
>> one below, from this morning's ride.
>>
>> *"Winter's Revenge"*
>> *Distance*: 40km
>> *Elevation*: 400m
>> *Temperature*: -2C to +1C
>> *Disclaimers*: no photos (use your visualization skills!); lot's of talk 
>> about non-riv bike
>>
>> I woke up at 6am and checked the latest weather report on my phone while 
>> lying in bed: snow/rain showers starting at 8am, wind gusts up to 50km.  
>> The radar showed a blue/green blob heading towards me.  
>>
>> On Friday I had taken the afternoon off to ride, it was 15C with very 
>> little wind.  Had a great ride on Leo (Roadini; aka Goldilocks).  Didn't 
>> ride yesterday (Saturday).  Rest of the week looks pretty bad (and I'm 
>> working, so limited time to ride).  I had to ride this morning...
>>
>> Went downstairs and checked out the current conditions: it was still 
>> dark, moderate wind, dry roads.  I made tea and did my morning loosening up 
>> (stretching) routine as I contemplated which bike to take, scouring the 
>> multiple weather sites.  Leo, with her rim brakes, double drive train, and 
>> 43mm smooth tires, or the Fargo with her 2.2" tires, mech discs, 1x.  I'm a 
>> bit "soft" when it comes to my bikes so I opted for the Fargo (just 
>> couldn't put Leo through what might be some crappy weather).  Neither bike 
>> has fenders (but they're on my future acquisition list).
>>
>> I rolled out in the dark, just as the sky was brightening.  It rained 
>> last night but as the wind was picking up and I was riding right into it, I 
>> took some shortcuts on tree-lined gravel paths sheltered from the wind.  
>> After 30 minutes the wind was a steady 20-30km/h and I can see dark clouds 
>> in the di

[RBW] Re: Ride Reports - Where You Defied the Weather

[Jay]

I liked your video John - thanks for sharing.  Looked like a nice route.

Nick - good proof of what I wrote about ride memories, that was 40 years 
ago and you shared some good details that I could easily visualize.

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 5:19:58 PM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> About 40 years ago, when I was a racing cyclist, I rode in an early season 
> spring race (three laps of a 50km circuit) that started in nice sunny 
> conditions with the temperature somewhere around 60-65F, so we all started 
> in shorts and short sleeves. Towards the end of the second lap, the wind 
> started to pick up and rather black clouds started rolling in, and shortly 
> after we started the final lap, it started to rain and the temperature 
> dropped quite noticeably. With about 30km left it started to hail and the 
> wind increased and the temperature dropped further. By the time we finished 
> (in dribs and drabs, my wife who was at the finish line told me that the 
> largest bunch she saw finishing was three or four riders), there was 
> several inches of hail on the ground, and my fingers were so cold that I 
> couldn't feel what I was touching. I was shaking uncontrollably, and had 
> real trouble undoing my toestraps so that I could get my feet out of the 
> pedals. I saw some cyclists who couldn't manage to get their toestraps 
> loosened at all - when they came to a halt, they just toppled over 
> sideways. It's by far the coldest I can remember getting on a bike in over 
> half a century of cycling.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: Abomination? Riv Road "upgrades"

[Jay]

I like it!  Splash some red, maybe bar tape, and it all works together 
nicely.  I had my first ride on some Corsa Pro tires and agree, they are 
fast.

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 5:49:35 PM UTC-4 reynoldslugs wrote:

> Eric - 
>
> go for it, ride it, enjoy it.
>
> I  have a lovely 2003 Rivendell Custom. 
>
> In its first iteration, I put Mavic Ksyriums on it.
>
> Admiittedly, it looks better without the Ksyriums -  
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625808579123/
>
> but I was happy riding them for a while, the bike still road great.  I got 
> some funny looks but kept going.
>
> Story of my life, as it were -
>
> anyway, enjoy your bike.
>
> best,
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 7:57:32 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> I'll give lots more background on the backstory and handwringing that led 
>> to this if you want, but long story short: I scored a mismatched (different 
>> eras, different materials, different depths) set of Zipp wheels extremely 
>> cheaply recently and decided to turn my Bosco'd 650b conversion Riv Road 
>> back into a road bike set up for road riding. Pairing the wheels with some 
>> on-sale Vittoria Corsa G2.0 in 32 width made the bike smoother than with 
>> 650b x 42 GravelKings and loads faster. Is it an abomination? Heresy? Who 
>> knows? Who cares? It's fun, lighter and I'm enjoying the set up for now 
>> (though I may need a larger chainring now...)
>>
>> Enjoy (or not):
>>
>> [image: IMG_8312.JPG]
>>
>> Best,
>> Eric 
>> Indpls
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Reports - Where You Defied the Weather

[Jay]

I agree - thanks for sharing John.  Japan is on my bucket list (for a trip 
in general, cycling as part of the trip would be a bonus).

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 1:55:47 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:

> What a rad adventure.
> Thanks for posting a link to the rest of the ride write-up.
> k.
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 8:36 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Short Version: While technically not riding at the time, I was on a ride 
>> circumnavigating Yakushima Island when I was flooded out of my tent and 
>> forced to setup camp for 16 hours in an accessible toilet in Japan.
>>
>> PENCIL-
>>
>> Longer Read: Yakushima, an island off the southern tip of Kyushu in Japan 
>> is home to the oldest cedar (sugi) trees on the planet and it boasts the 
>> highest annual rainfall in Japan, between 4 and 10 meters per year. That's 
>> right, meters!
>>
>> In the Spring of 2021 I went back to Yakushima for a second ride around 
>> the island 
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ZXuY-9kMJ-8/m/pE-UMLk8DAAJ>. 
>> For several weeks before the trip I began to watch the weather. According 
>> the the Japanese weather reports, which are the most reliable I've ever 
>> used, a big rain was coming during my second night there. 
>>
>> So, I began to plan for this. After I get off the ferry and visit 
>> Shiratani Gorge where some of the oldest cedars on the island reside on 
>> steep slopes, I would head for Anbo. From my last visit, I remembered a 
>> beautiful public park high above the town. Camping in public parks is 
>> permitted- well, not frowned upon- and in Japan such parks are replete with 
>> amenities like 'The World's Cleanest Public Restrooms'. This would be where 
>> I'd weather the predicted 12-15cm of rain. 
>>
>> Fast forward several weeks and I'm riding into the park I remembered. 
>> What made it most memorable is a world-class 400m running track. On a 
>> remote island! In a town of about 8000 people! I find a spot on the lawn 
>> among the blossoming cherry trees(sakura), and there's a small gazebo. My 
>> tent is on the lawn and ready for rain, but if things go sideways I'll duck 
>> into the gazebo.
>>
>> Right on time, a light rain begins while I cook dinner and the sun goes 
>> down. I eat then walk around in the drizzle to enjoy the sakura at 
>> twilight. As the rain picks up its pace, I tuck my bike and gear in the 
>> gazebo and zip myself into my cozy tent. The rain dances on the taut nylon 
>> and soon I'm asleep.
>>
>> In the dream my tent is flowing down hill towards a small cluster of 
>> houses. When the tent comes to a stop, I unzip the fly and a couple of old 
>> friends are there looking over a map. As I greet them I feel as though I'm 
>> on a waterbed. Suddenly, I'm awake in darkness and pelting rain. My old 
>> friends are gone as is the cluster of houses. But I still feel like I'm on 
>> a waterbed. I reach both arms beyond my pad and feel the tent's waterproof 
>> floor. The coated fabric ripples. Now I'm fully awake sloshing about the 
>> waterbed, deflating the air mattress and stuffing clothes and sleeping bag 
>> into a nylon sack before the water seeps through the floor.
>>
>> I unzip the tent and dash through the torrent for the gazebo with all my 
>> gear. The gazebo is sturdy but old and the roof has not been looked after.  
>> As much rain falls on my bike and me as on the tent. Eariler, I scoped out 
>> the bathroom about 600m away (Plan C), and now stuffed everything in my 
>> Wald, hopped on the bike and pedalled (paddled?) through a 5cm of pond that 
>> stretched from the gazebo to the restroom on the other side of the running 
>> track. I'd come back for my tent in daylight.
>>
>> The toilets offered a men's and a women's rooms. In between was a larger 
>> room for wheelchair access. Certainly this was the least used of the rooms, 
>> so I'd sleep here. I slid back the door to reveal, even in the dark, a 
>> gleaming facility (much cleaner I'm certain than most hotel rooms in North 
>> America.) And dry! I filled my Thermarest, rolled out my sleeping bag and 
>> drifted off feeling pretty pleased with myself for having a Plan C. 
>>
>> The next morning the rain had intensified. I ate breakfast and sipped 
>> coffee while I awaited a break in the rain so I could retrieve my tent. The 
>> break didn't really come until about 4pm that afternoon. So, I hung out, 
>> read, cooked, drank tea and enjoyed the variety of small c

[RBW] Re: Abomination? Riv Road "upgrades"

[Jay]

I looked up those BTLOS wheels, very affordable and generally good reviews.

My road bike has Dura-Ace C24, which I believe are just over 1400g.  When I 
start more road rides in the spring I'm going to try out the Roadini, in 
rides with my faster friend, and see how I do in comparison to my road 
bike.  One day, I may use this wheelset on the Roadini and that may tip the 
scales to this being my road bike with this wheelset, and the main wheelset 
with 43mm's being the all-road bike.

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 11:48:07 AM UTC-4 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think carbon wheels have come a long way!  I recently bought a set of 
> BTLOS carbon rim brake wheels and love them! They hold up to my 200lb 
> weight, are aero (45mm deep rims), and super light (the wheelset came with 
> a listed weight of 1305g - 729g rear and 576g front)! That's tubular wheel 
> weight! The weight was a surprise as the estimate they gave when I finished 
> selecting the parts was 1325 +/- 25g, so I was expecting 1350g! 
>
> Still the wheels have been fantastic and with Reynolds blue carbon pads, I 
> find the braking to be excellent, although I haven't ridden them in the 
> wet. There's little to no flex and they seem to hold up to everything I put 
> them through as I do occasional rides on gravely roads. 
>
> I'm now thinking maybe I should get a set for my Della Santa, which has 
> standard 32h Mavic Open Pro rims and Campy Record hubs...lol 
>
> Of course, YMMV! 
>
> Good Luck! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 7:57:32 AM UTC-7 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Do whatever makes you happy! I have carbon bits on my Homer so we can be 
>> abominations together.
>>
>> Josh
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I have questions

[Jay]

Those are really nice looking wheels and I, and I'm sure everyone, looks 
forward to seeing the final build.

I was going to comment briefly about tires, though I've only got a handful 
of years on large volume tires on the road (before I was strictly a roadie, 
with 25mm's).  I don't feel a big difference going from 25 to 30, I do feel 
a difference going up to a 43 (GKSS).  What's interesting is I don't feel a 
huge difference going from 43 to 55.  In the last few weeks alone I've had 
a chance to ride all the bikes and wheels/tires I have, and this was my 
observation about tires as I was thinking about this during and after the 
rides.  "Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road ride pace?"  If you can do 
this on a 42, comfortably, I think you can do so on a 48 (maybe play with 
the pressure a bit, to get what works best for speed/comfort balance).  I 
used the 43's on a ride with my speedy friend a month ago and I kept up, 
felt pretty comfortable (particularly on descents), but I had to work 
harder...so I would also recommend a good fuelling strategy for your 2-day 
event.  Good luck!

Weather :-( I'm just outside Toronto and we're getting second (first?) 
winter here since Saturday.  I know how you feel.  And the forecast doesn't 
look great for next 1-2 weeks.  I'm getting out on the 55 tires more, 
pumping them based on conditions and appreciating I have them and these 
wider tire bikes, or I would be stuck on the trainer with a road bike 
(yuck).

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 9:10:14 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have had some of the same questions tumbling about in my brain as I wait 
> for the last of the parts for my Gravel & Travel Platy. I just got back 
> from a warm and delightful weekend of cycling in Philadelphia. I, a newly 
> minted Michigander, was happy to return to the shire, and for that, I was 
> welcomed with Second Winter. 
>
> Michigan is over here, doing me dirty. 
>
> I’m prevailing upon you to humor me and answer my questions, because a lot 
> of you are having spring and flowers and sunshine, so this is the least you 
> could do!
>
> I got the 50 cm Platy to take on trips. Will fit in the van better, will 
> fit on Amtrak, be easier to shove in elevators, that sort of thing. But the 
> tires I have on hand are 48 mm Gravel Kings. They are almost new. I’m 
> considering taking a train to a ride this summer, but that means no Racing 
> Platypus, only the purple one can fit. Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road 
> ride pace? I have 42 on all my other bikes. Would 48s be slow? The ride is 
> a 2 day event, 100 miles total. I’d like to keep the tires if I could, 
> because they’re new and they are fat enough to also double as gravel tires, 
> should I decide to do a gravel ride again. But I do more road rides than 
> anything else, and if those 48s will cripple me, I’ll go back to 42s. 
> What’s the consensus?
>
> Basket straps. I have the Nitto Basket Rack and even though I’ve disliked 
> it in the past, I figure it’s pretty and I already own it and I might need 
> a front rack for travel. But do I really have to put the ugly strap from 
> bar to basket? Is the Nitto Basket Rack safer than the Mark’s Rack? I know 
> Sergio was thrown when his Mark’s Rack loosened and hit the front tire and 
> he’s missing significant chunks of front teeth! What is everyone doing 
> about their front racks?
>
> Lights. I have an Edelux light. It’s not the right color for this build, 
> but it’s perfectly good. But sometimes I think, “wouldn’t it be nice to 
> have a light that would charge your phone?” The Sinewave Beacon 2 will do 
> just that, but it sounds like it’s not a great road light. What are people 
> using to charge phones on long rides away from home?
>
> I ordered my wheels today. This, because J at the Velocity booth in Philly 
> talked me into them when he heard about the theme of my build. Here’s a 
> sneak peek.
>
> And thanks for helping me out here! It’s good to hear people’s experiences 
> and points of view!
> Leah
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Jay]

I also love this post!

I was in C&L Cycle, home of the Bassi and noticed the Bloomfield.  That 
caught me eye in your write up so I thought I would mention.

That purple is amazing.  Enjoy!

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new bike. 
> It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 
>
> mike in austin tx
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. I’ve 
>> gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this forum, so 
>> it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>>
>>
>> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called 
>> Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein 
>> in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and that 
>> they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read about 
>> the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw was 
>> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell fan 
>> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
>> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what I 
>> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
>> reality.
>>
>>
>> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little bit 
>> about the other bikes in my stable…
>>
>>
>> *Surly Straggler*
>>
>> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any research 
>> on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all bike, one 
>> that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding anywhere and 
>> everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all my 
>> expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
>> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, 
>> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
>> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
>> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It does 
>> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers I 
>> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, though 
>> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
>> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
>> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought this 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>>
>> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have more 
>> than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry Barentsen 
>> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
>> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could get 
>> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
>> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head tube 
>> graphic sold me instantly!
>>
>> This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - the 
>> wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with me. 
>> It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so 
>> practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike that 
>> non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to 
>> ride upright.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_8340.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> *Why Appaloosa?*
>>
>> Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun to the 
>> explore the range of hills that flank Kaurna country / the Adelaide plains. 
>> I like riding from my door, winding through the suburbs to a trail head, 
>> then climbing and exploring the trails, going a little further each time. I 
>> wanted a bike that would be fun to ride on the road but more comfortable 
>> and capable off it than my other bikes. In short, I wanted a touring bike, 
>> and the Appaloosa seemed like it. I liked that the 2.2” tyres looked like a 
>> balance of speed and comfort, and the long chainstays promised to smooth 
>> out bumps and make hair-raising off-road descents more palatable. Spoiler 
>> alert: both of these things were true!
>>
>>
>> I’ll spare you the story of sourcing the frame. I’ll only say that I 
>> initially hesitated on the purple colour, which in hindsight was absolutely 
>> ridiculous. Purple is my favourite colour and THIS purple is amazing. It’s 
>> perfect.
>>
>>
>> *First Impressions*
>>
>> I picked up the Appaloosa on Thursday after my bike shop kindly managed 
>> to get it ready before the Easter long weekend. Since then, I’ve taken the 
>> bike on a couple of long rides and a handful of short ones. The long rides 
>> include a 50km-or-so out and back along the linear trail of Adel

[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[Jay]

I'm sure that is frustrating!  I feel for you.  I don't like when anything 
mechanical is not functioning up to par.

I only have experience with Dia-Compe Ene 11s.  They slipped once on me, 
without realizing what was happening.  I got home, googled it, figured it 
out and only had to tighten the 'd' ring and that has so far solved the 
problem.  I bought loc-tite but haven't used it.

Good luck!

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Ian,
> I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it 
> solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to 
> Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike 
> mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the 
> Microshift worked for me.
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>
>> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
>> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
>> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
>> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
>> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.
>>
>> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
>> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
>> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
>> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.
>>
>> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the 
>> Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my 
>> gears.
>>
>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
>>> I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
>>> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's 
>>> tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you 
>>> the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
>>> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
>>> takes most of the force of the fall.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>>
 I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic 
 ideal whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the 
 performance refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't 
 get 
 the shifter to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then 
 over-tightening. There's still no better option than the plastic washer? 
 Hoped the brass bit over the plastic would protect it, no such luck they 
 always crack. I'm tired of trying to make these work. 

 Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
 let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the 
 same 
 internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look 
 that 
 maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
 noticeable difference.

 I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
 price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
 advice welcome.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Hello from Ireland

[Jay]

Hello Nick - welcome!

I would like to see photos.  Ooo, and Videos, if you don't mind, both of 
the city and countryside ;-)

Seriously though, would LOVE to see some vlogs from Ireland :-)

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Welcome! I think you are the only Irish listmember. Please post photos of 
> your rides and routes. Five or six years ago my daughter spent 10 days or 
> so in Ireland with a high school chorale group and did the usual tours by 
> coach outside of Dublin; lovely scenes. I had vague thoughts of flying out 
> with a bike at the same time to do a tour but it came to nothing.
>
> I know we have at least one Japanese listmember who posts beautiful ride 
> photos, and of course the list includes riders in all parts of the US 
> posting hugely varied scenery, but I don't know of any other European 
> members, let along another Irish one. Perhaps we had a Scottish listmember 
> a few years ago, or did he post on the iBoblist?
>
> Patrick Moore, in the cottonwood bosque along the Rio Grande in the middle 
> of the Southwestern US high desert.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 1:42 PM Nicholas A  wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> My name's Nick from Dublin, a reformed racer, proud owner of an Appaloosa 
>> with an A Homer Hilsen in the pipeline as well. I have a few other bikes in 
>> the stable as well, a couple of Mercians namely. One is in bits, and a lot 
>> of those bits are on the other. 
>>
>> Can't say I've seen a lot of Rivs in Ireland but I did chat to a guy on a 
>> lovely Quickbeam recently.
>>
>> When I got the Appaloosa first I had Albatross bars on it but have a 
>> stubby stem and 48cm Noodles on there now, I much prefer them. I guess you 
>> can take the boy outta the road but you can't take the road outta the boy. 
>>
>> Anyway, happy to be here, I've been enjoying reading everyone's posts and 
>> hope I can contribute something.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> [image: IMG_8523.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] ISO: swept or bosco ish bars in Los Angeles area

[Jay]

I have cash or trade. Ideally looking for 25.4 or 26 clamp that takes
mountain levers. Soma osprey or something nitto? Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Bike Store in LA?

[Jay]

Cub house in Pasadena

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 12:33 PM Philip Barrett 
wrote:

>
> Well that looks like my kinda place!
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:30:41 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Golden Saddle Cyclery in Silverlake
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:22, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>> Looks like I'll be doing the hang over the weekend in LA, any
>> recommendations for a cool bike store (other than Coco's) that I should
>> visit?
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto S84 Lugged Seatpost

[Jay]

What post size?

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 2:12 PM Robert Dowtin 
wrote:

> I totally understand that this is a long shot and I apologize for the
> cross posting with Riv and the subsequent forcing of your reading this
> twice.
>
> I desire a Nitto S84 Lugged Seatpost. Does anyone have one that they might
> be graciously willing to come up off of? I promise to put it on a beautiful
> bike!
>
> ~Rob in NW Ar
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[RBW] WTB: 26.8 nitto seatpost and 26” tubeless wheelset

[Jay]

Anyone have a 26.8 nitto seatpost for my Sam?

Also looking for a set of 26 cliffhanger or a23 rim brake wheels.

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Re: [RBW] Cerdan Crankset

[Jay]

I would love to test this against an oval chainring.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 11:06 AM Doug H.  wrote:

>
> https://www.designboom.com/technology/cerdan-crankset-increases-pedaling-power-06-30-2021/
> See above link:
>
> I find this design fascinating so thought I'd share it with the Group.
> This isn't electronic shifting or carbon but good ole mechanical and metal.
> Could this innovation become accepted in the mainstream cycling world?
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jay]

I haven’t read all the posts (so many, wow!) but I suggest trying a bike 
with drop bars to see if it’s a possibility for you.  A friend, or an lbs 
perhaps.  If the bike fits you well the bars might feel great, or something 
you think can grown on you with time.  Bad fit and likely the bars wouldn’t 
feel good, so that wouldn’t be a fair assessment.

I love my newish Roadini.

Good luck!

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

[Jay]

Hi Marcus.  I’ve really enjoyed all your videos so far; great start! 
 Refreshing to see vlogs in another part of the world.  Korea looks very 
interesting.

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:10:28 PM UTC-4 probablyri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>
> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>
> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - YouTube 
> 
>
> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>
> Marcus
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[RBW] Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

[Jay]

I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. 
 Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.

It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came 
with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
(also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.

Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way forward 
on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this question 
first.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

[Jay]

Thanks for the messages.

I still have about 15mm I can push the saddle forward, just have to switch 
saddle bags.

I've been between sizes before, always made the larger one work.  Smaller 
bike, not as well (25mm setback post and 120mm stem make for a strange 
ride).

I've had bike fits, as recently as two months ago; how I sit on a saddle 
always surprises the fitter and we push the saddle forward.

I've been on some 3-4 hour rides and it's pretty comfy, just need to make 
this tweak.

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> Sorry to hear that things aren't working at the moment. Have you thought 
> about getting a professional bike fit? Or perhaps making various 
> adjustments and documenting them over and extended period time?
>
> FWIW, I'm also on a 57cm Roadini with 170mm S!lver Cranks, Nitto 65 seat 
> post, and Brooks Professional saddle (86pbh, 5'9", longer legs shorter 
> torso). When I called Riv last winter, Grant mentioned that I'd be happy on 
> a 54 or 57 Leo depending on how much exposed seat post I'd be willing to 
> live with. In practice, I find that I need to push the saddle all the way 
> back in order to get comfy. I'm surprised to hear that you're pushing it 
> forward, but I'm guessing not all Brooks' are made the same. Like Brent, 
> I've also got a Hillborne (mine is a 56cm frame from 2009; same saddle, 
> crank, seat post as my Leo) and I'm super comfy on it. Keep in mind that 
> I've figured out what works for me during the past 14 years of ownership of 
> the Sam, and the Leo is very similar in size and riding characteristics. 
>
> I hope you get things dialed in.
> Tony
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. 
>>  Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.
>>
>> It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came 
>> with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
>> compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
>> things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
>> on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
>> angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
>> (also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
>> on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
>> like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
>> unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
>> coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.
>>
>> Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way 
>> forward on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this 
>> question first.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Jay]

I feel for those of you who have been scammed.  Hopefully, karma plays out 
for them, and perhaps you'll have a 'win' in the near future that makes up 
for it.

I'm almost to the point of quoting any online used buy/sell activity.

I've bought/sold bike stuff, and a few other categories of items, on kijiji 
for 10-15 years.  Pre-covid, didn't do too bad.  Most items would go in 1-2 
weeks, a lot of views, responses were generally positive even if a sale 
didn't occur.  Most who did respond, got back to you even if they decided 
to pass on the item.  Likewise, I would message on things I was interested 
in, and most sellers were respectful and good to deal with.  During covid, 
selling was a piece of cake.  Now, sigh, about 90% of the interactions I've 
had are with pinheads.  People who in one minute seem so interested "I can 
be there today between 3-4pm", and when you say you're working, how about 
after dinner, you never here another word from them (this has happened with 
8 out of the last 10 interactions).  I've had items listed for months with 
no activity.  I may donate a bunch of things to a bike collective or 
not-for-profit and hopefully the old parts (mainly saddles and stems) will 
go to a good home.  I'm a really positive person, but it's hard to be 
positive with a lot the online activity these days (and these are not 
scammers, just, pinheads!).

Buy/Sell looks great on this site.  I'm in Canada though so that's a bit of 
a challenge (though I do use cross border pick up site, and it works fine, 
both directions), plus I'm at my budget for spending on bike things, for 
now, and I have most of what I want.

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 11:07:48 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Roberta and Eric -
> Let me clarify how I was scammed. I posted here last July wanting to buy 
> Blue Lug's
> *REW10 WORKS* hex brass valve caps here in the states to save myself some 
> monies in overseas shipping costs. 
>
> Anita Batya saw my post and claimed that she had a pair. Anita told me 
> that she lived in Seattle, of which is relatively close to me (This was a 
> lie. She lived in Pennsylvania after doing some online homework after the 
> fact). If I wanted them, she requested me to make a payment through a third 
> party email address of which she claimed it was her bookkeeper. Anita told 
> me that she was waiting for an answer from Paypal for a refund. I sent 
> her money (I forgot what amount it was $50.00~?) several times. This kept 
> going in circles over and over again. By then, I felt that there was 
> something mighty strange and peculiar going on. I caught on that I was 
> being scammed. I did not respond back to her. This was my first time being 
> scammed over something that I really wanted. My apologies for there might 
> be some holes left out from my recollection of my interaction with Anita. 
>
> Later down the road, there was other members herein and over on the IBOB 
> group being scammed by Anita. Skip Montanaro, the administrator accepted 
> Anita 
> Batya's membership. When I told Skip that she was/is a scammer, he quickly 
> took action and denied her membership.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/5FXmDXVSG6c/m/yGCjPQ3KBAAJ
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/WRzS3bBRKcc
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 7:24:11 AM UTC-7 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The "Jeff" in question reached out to me in response to a WTB post. I 
>> asked what his "Friend" was selling and he said a 60cm Homer, which I 
>> thought was strange considering my post specifically said 54/55/56cm. 
>>
>> A quick check to see that he'd never posted in the forum and I assumed it 
>> was nefarious. 
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 9:20:37 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Kim: I don't see how the administrator of this forum has any bearing on 
>>> someone's Facebook post. The scam is potentially occurring via Facebook, 
>>> not our forum. You reposted the FB listing here with a link. 
>>>
>>> Regarding the Blue Lug purchase, how on earth were you "scammed" by Blue 
>>> Lug? They are one of the best bike shops in the universe and I'm sure they 
>>> would correct any mistake or problem with your purchase. I dislike like the 
>>> implication that Blue Lug would scam anyone. 
>>>
>>> Regarding scams and buying/selling: If anything about the listing or 
>>> your interactions with a seller makes you uncomfortable or sets off 
>>> *any* alarms just drop the exchange and walk away. It's easy! If it's 
>>> too good to be true, it probably is. Although sometimes you have to know 
>>> when to snag a deal like when someone posts a Nitto S83 seatpost for $30. 
>>> Sellers should be happy and eager to share photos or details about frames 
>>> or bikes for sale. 
>>>
>>> Here on the forum it's easy to check someone's history simply by 
>>> searching their email address and reviewing their past posts to see if they 
>>> participate in discussions, buy and sell goods and you can get a sense

[RBW] Re: Blue Lug Build Catalog

[Jay]

Before I purchased a Riv I spent some time on their site, and those builds; 
really well done.  I watched their videos, including those in Japanese, and 
they're very enjoyable.

On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 3:14:41 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> If you're wondering "How do I tastefully build and specify a bike?" this 
> is the *perfect* place to start. They also do a great job with the 
> photographs, some of the best out there. 
>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 3:13:45 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, this is a gallery I have bookmarked. So many great builds and 
>> lots and lots of inspiration. They always nail it, great ideas abound! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Many of you may already be aware of this, but Blue Lug has a nice 
>>> catalog of all it's Riv Builds for customers. In the even you want some 
>>> inspiration for your next build, or just want to see some different takes 
>>> on each frame, have a look:
>>>
>>> https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/model/rivendell-bicycle-works/
>>>
>>> If you click the dropdown in the top right corner and scroll down to the 
>>> Riv section you can even filter for specific models. Been super helpful as 
>>> I accrue the things needed for my upcoming 56cm 2TT Sam I scored from Abe 
>>> on here.
>>>
>>> Hopefully helpful for folks looking to build out that next frame or 
>>> rebuild your old favorite!
>>>
>>> - Drew
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
better?

I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't thought 
long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly.  Hopefully you 
get where I'm coming from.

*Quick background*
- been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
- started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
'gravel' bikes/riding
- I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and this 
leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position on 
the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
training; have had numerous bike fits
- I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
- I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.

On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
(could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
spring-fall and more in the winter.  

But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% to 
99%)*

My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, 
and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on 
those days!?

I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept back 
(or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned to 
mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if they're 
anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it, but you have 
to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar bike in the 
garage and hop on your more relaxed bike, and thus avoid most of the issues 
you would have had on the other (slightly more aggressive) bike?*

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Re: [RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

More great points, thanks!

Some responses:
- I would convert my Salsa Fargo to drop bar.  It has Apex 1x drivetrain, 
and there is an inexpensive MTB shifter that works well, plus this bike is 
designed with drops and flat/swept in mind
- I'm liking the look of the Albatross bar, not too extreme (walk before 
you can run!)
- I agree Bill that diet is important, and while mine is generally quite 
good, on a bad eating evening/day, the next day or later day ride does 
suffer (that includes if I had a beer, which doesn't work for me close to a 
ride, let alone on one...though it did last year on a 3-day tour, so who 
knows!)
- I also agree re: mental health, however, sometimes a ride greatly helps 
my mental health, so it's often worth the trade off (if I'm a bit sore, but 
that's not often case after a stressful time in my life)
- I like a lot of things about drop bars, but I feel like trying something 
different, and with the Fargo being like a drop bar mountain bike, I 
thought it would be a good candidate for convert

I went for a ride at lunch today.  Just 75 minutes.  I focused on keeping 
my pelvis upright/straight, and having my upper back/etc tip over a bit, 
vs. tilting from the pelvis (bike fitter I spoke to recently called this 
being like asparagus coming out of the microwave, trunk is solid, top folds 
over a bit, make sense?).  I was on the Roadini and the hoods are above the 
bars, and the shallow drop to the drops is comfortable and I felt good as I 
moved hand positions, not tilting too much forward.  Was a bind windy on 
the way back and did feel that space between my shoulder blades tightening 
a bit, but no worse than a 2/10 on the pain scale.

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:30:15 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Quick thought regarding drop bars in response to LuckTurnip:
>
> Almost all of my bikes have drop bars. I have one bike with Soma’s 
> “Oxford” bars (a milder version of theAlbatross?) and a Brompton with a 
> straight handlebar to which I added forward-facing grip extensions.
>
> On my bikes with drop bars, I ride probably 99% of the time on the tops, 
> usually with my hands wrapped around the brake hoods. I find that 
> comfortable and it gives me easy access to the brake levers. 
>
> I spend the other 1% of my time in the drops because I’m not concerned 
> about aerodynamics. There are plenty of things slowing me down, and 
> assuming an aero posture isn’t going to do anything about most of those.
>
> This is of course personal preference, but I like the way drop bars look. 
> I have several classic bikes (Alex Singer, Cinelli, Masi) that were set up 
> with drop bars and which, I think, would look kinda dumb with upright bars. 
> Kind of like a Rambouillet with a polo seat and sissy bar (although some 
> might really like that look).
>
> Ride what you want and pick the bike/seat/handlebars that make you feel 
> comfortable. But don’t assume that drop bars are going to force you into am 
> uncomfortable, crouched posture. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 11:00 AM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years 
> due to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really 
> what matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
>
> 
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>
> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them 
> on at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
> clamp (demonstrated here): 
> 
>
>
> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being 
> used only when I want a lighter bike.
> -Wes 
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>> position on the bike (i.e.,

[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

I ended up sticking with drop bars, but making some changes after a good 
conversation with my chiro and a few rides on the three bikes where I paid 
a lot of attention to where I had pain, and my posture on those rides.

On the Roadini and Salsa, I was using 42cm bars (at the hoods hoods) with 
12 degrees of flare.  First time I went up from 40cm.  In previous fittings 
I was told I can run a 38cm as I have narrow shoulders.  It's a trend these 
days to run wider, I tried it, but it really backfired given my 
pre-existing neck/shoulder issue.  When on the hoods my arms were not a 
straight line from my body, they were out a bit, and this was a minor 
(major at times) pain.  I replaced those bars, have ridden each bike once 
(1.5-2.5 hours) and it was instantly noticeable.  Pain gone.  Both of those 
bikes have the bars upright (tops level with saddle, hoods higher) and not 
stretched out.  Road bike has 40cm bars, but the reach is long and drop is 
2.5cm below saddle (making the drops unreachable for me).  That's being 
rectified next.

I may try swept back one day, but for now I do love drop bars and the 
varied hand positions, and it was much cheaper to replace two bars and 
re-use the table (success on both counts).

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
> better?
>
> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>
> *Quick background*
> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
> 'gravel' bikes/riding
> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
> training; have had numerous bike fits
> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>
> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>
> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
> as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
> aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
> awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% 
> to 99%)*
>
> My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
> about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
> when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
> because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
> angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
> age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, 
> and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on 
> those days!?
>
> I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept 
> back (or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned 
> to mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if 
> they're anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it, 
> but you have to commute or just love to ride, do you leave 

[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

[Jay]

I wanted to circle back and close out initial impressions on my Roadini.  I 
used it on a road ride with my friend today.  I put on the 2nd wheelset, 
that has Vittoria Corsa Pro 30mm tires.  My friend is faster and when we 
ride together he dials it back, and I push harder than I usually do, and it 
works out and we have good rides.  I was worried that the extra weight (4-5 
pounds) and more upright posture would hold be back, so I warned him in 
advance.  I felt really comfortable on the entire 2.5 ride, including a 
headwind on our way back.  I used the drops quite a bit, in part because 
they're very comfortable.  I felt really good and was pleasantly surprised 
that we probably had our fastest average on those roads.  Well done Leo!

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:33:55 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:

> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>
> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
> be visiting Montreal.
>
> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>
> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, but 
> there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>
> Photos to come in February.  
>

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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Jay]

I don't have a lot of experience with what you've outlined and asked about 
(those specific dimensions), however, I'll share my experience with my 
Salsa Fargo, as in the end it brought me here!

It came mounted with 29x2.2".  From the first test ride I knew it was for 
me, as a drop bar mtb / monster cross bike for local mixed surface trails. 
 When winter came I wanted to use it with narrower tires, minimal tread, as 
it would only be ridden on the road.  I swapped the tires with 43mm GKSS. 
 I didn't like the way it handled.  I'm assuming it affected the trail?  In 
any case, it wasn't that stable ride I enjoyed.

What brought me here, to this forum and wanting a Roadini - I needed a bike 
for those tires!  And it worked out great...the 43mm GKSS are perfect on 
the Roadini.

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:18:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with 
> tires of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away 
> with it without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.
>
> Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 
> wheels, 2" knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, 
> for commuting, and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width 
> Specialized Turbos (nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding. 
> So, diameters from 26" to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992 
> XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The 
> skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to turn.
>
> With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, 
> quite nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in 
> straight line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.
>
> That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to 
> 622X 60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and, 
> #2, one that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how 
> skinny can one go before compromising handling?
>
> I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight 
> 42s, 714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for 
> dirt" for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby 
> wheelset for our sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical, 
> wheelset with the 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this 
> after I discovered that the Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.
>
> It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas 
> that I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm 
> tires, even though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and 
> make this bike handle much like my Riv Roads.
>
> So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for 
> narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."
>
> * ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.
>
> -- 
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[Jay]

Like, WOW.  Nicolas, you really make me want to go there and explore.  I 
would rather take 4hrs to cover 'those' 35km than a fast-paced, paved ride 
anywhere around here.

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:23:26 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Nicholas, what a magical landscape. Thanks for sharing the photos. Nicely 
> put together Joe Appa too!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Fantastic shots! Thanks so much. Looks like a hoot!
>>
>>
>> John
>> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 2:28:08 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_9184.jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Jay]

I know a lot of roadies, who don't mountain bike, who have never tried a 
tire about 30-32mm.  Before these nice, supple tires became more readily 
available I had mountain biked and had tires for riding that bike on the 
roads (off-season), and then I got into cx bikes I had 32mm (ish) tires, 
and they were all awful (and over-inflated!).  When I went up to 40mm that 
was an improvement.  A supple tire of anywhere north of 32-35, on a bike 
that is not overly stiff, pumped to the right pressure, tubeless if you 
like, is magic.

Nice article!

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 12:37:33 AM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was about 2013-4, I felt like I was on the cutting edge of bike 
> innovation as a 23 year old converting my Salsa Vaya from 700x35 to 650x48. 
> I'll never forget that first commute from those panaracer pasela's to the 
> compass (now rene herse) 48's. Magic carpet ride indeed! 
>
> Joe, how would you describe the arc of your writing career to be a 
> journalist for Wired?
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 7:37:37 AM UTC-7 Steve wrote:
>
>> Joe, thanks for posting the link to your article. Well done! 
>>
>> I currently have three bikes with tire widths, in ascending order, from 
>> 40 to 48mm.  I also recently gifted a fourth bike to my daughter - a late 
>> 90s race bike I converted from 700c to  650b with 38mm RH slicks mounted 
>> beneath VO fenders. (The poor girl, all she had for road riding was a 
>> carbon fiber Liv with naked 23mm tires!!!).  
>>
>> You might say I'm a true believer. 
>>
>> Steve in AVL
>>
>> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ted,
>>> Was definitely thinking about all the potential feedback--and wishing 
>>> 603s became a thing so I could plug them into my older bikes.
>>> Thanks for the good words!
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:36:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:

 Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
 magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I 
 had 
 a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:


 I enjoyed the sidebar with all the appropriate disclaimers to head off 
 the inevitable internet feedback on how uninformed you are. And a shoutout 
 to 603 ...you have definitely been drinking Grant's Kool-Aid!

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA 

>>>

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[RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Jay]

Hi everyone,

I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without 
much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I 
peeled away.

I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so 
when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, 
thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in 
and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the 
specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench 
(5) vs. another style of bolt head.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Jay]

The company I had ordered the 22mm from contacted me to say they do not 
have that available, just the 20mm and 25mm.  Thankfully a local nuts/bolts 
shop had a 25mm and matching nut, so I picked up a handful, paid $5, and 
when the guy said he would make change I said coffee is on me!

The nut was a tighter fit than the original, but it eventually fit.  I used 
some loc-tite on the threads.  A few mm of extra bolt passed through the 
nut and looks fine overall.  I was able to torque it down snuggly without 
any strange noises (as I was getting before, every time I loosened and 
tightened the bolt).  Went for a 2.5 hour ride today, on some rough 
roads/trails, and it didn't move.  Hopefully this is it!

On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 12:43:08 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> The 22mm I found are on order and will only get here next week.  I found 
> 20mm and 25mm locally and may pick these up and see how they go.  I’m going 
> to get new nuts and washers too.
>
> Im assuming with longer 25 vs 22 the screw/bolt can go through the nut and 
> the locking feature of the nylon still works?
>
> When I go to the local shop I’m going to show them the existing one, 
> photos of the bike, and see what we can rig up!
>
> Jason
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 6:07 PM, Chester  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Jay wrote:
>
> That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.
>
>
> With the Clem L I bought, there was a weird defect in the hex nut, with it 
> having extra metal material inside the donut hole, ruining/covering up some 
> of the threads, and this ruined the initial threads of the bolt, as well, 
> so there was no way to tighten the seat clamp with the bolt/nut pair it 
> came with. 
>
> Sorted it out after a couple trips to the local Ace Hardware and their 
> Drawers o' Fasteners. They didn't have quite the right length (I had to get 
> longer) so I didn't note the length of what I got, but ended up with M6 and 
> thread pitch of 1 as well.
>
> Turns out that the Clem Complete page specifies "It uses standard 
> hardware store bolt (M6 x 22) and a 10mm hex nut." The Roadini page 
> suggests that one could use M5 as well.
>
> I ride the Clem sometimes and have been meaning to try to find a 
> countersunk washer that is small enough diameter to fit inside but is yet 
> tall enough that I could use a quick release and not scratch up the paint 
> of the seat binder.
>
> Chester
> SF Bay Area
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[RBW] Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters

[Jay]

I've been riding my Roadini since February and it has been great, although 
the FD seems less than ideal.  When I'm in the big ring, it works quietly 
on only the few smallest sprockets.  When I'm the small ring, works quietly 
on the 4-5 largest sprockets.  I'm often making minor adjustments to the 
front DT shifter to line it up so there is no chain rub / noise.  I've 
gotten used to this and it's not really a big deal, but I was thinking 
there may be something I can do to improve things, and figured this group 
knows friction!

 The shop who built the bike is great, and everything was well done from 
what I can tell, so my guess is the FD is set up as good as possible, and 
maybe only a very minor tweak is required.  Perhaps it's just the specific 
parts and how they work together (i.e., not a perfect system).  

Before I try and make any adjustments myself I thought I would ask about 
others' experience with friction shifting, front derailleurs, or perhaps 
this specific from derailleur.  My success rate at fixing drivetrain issues 
in the past is moderate...though it's not intuitive for me, and I have to 
watch youtube videos to learn before doing anything.

Other bikes I have/had are index, usually 105/Ultegra/GRX, and the front 
derailleur wasn't noticeable, it just worked, quietly.

The down tube shifters are Dia-Compe ENE Ciclo 11sp, front derailleur is 
GRX 810.

Thanks in advance!

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[RBW] Crankset Options and Understanding

[Jay]

Is there a site or youtube channel that explains crankset specs and 
compatibility (like all about them and how they work with a drivetrain, and 
frame).  It's one part of the bike I really don't understand.

Reason I'm asking is that at some point, I would like to switch my black 
GRX 2x crankset on my Roadini to something silver in colour.   But I want 
to understand this from a 'system' perspective vs. individual parts. Also, 
I really just want to understand how they match up to bottom brackets, BCD, 
spacing for the frame, how they interact with the different speeds (e.g., 
can a 10 or 12 speed crankset work with an 11sp drivetrain?), crank arms 
vs. chain rings and compatibility, etc., etc.  I want to learn up front 
now, so I can think of this longer term and when I come across a part that 
meets my future build ideas, on sale, I can confidently pull the trigger.

Feel free to share your wisdom here too, but I was asking for reference 
sites/channels so I learn on my own, over time.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Canadian's in the house

[Jay]

I joined the group back in January and don't recall spotting many posts 
from my fellow Canadians, eh.

Just seeing who is in Canada?  If you're from SW Ontario, maybe we can 
arrange a ride one day; I've never seen a Rivendell in the wild.

If you have a Riv, did you order direct from them, through C&L in Montreal, 
other?

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[RBW] Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[Jay]

When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on hand 
already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the back of 
your mind you've already identified a replacement.

I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted for 
eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be 
replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or 
comfortable choices?

On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat post, 
bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires); the 
cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and cassette are 
fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs are on 
my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like silver, 
partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low 
end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with 
30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would also 
change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.

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[RBW] Re: Canadian's in the house

[Jay]

Damien - if you ever see someone on a dark gold Roadini, it's probably me! 
 At least once a week I'm riding on the east side of Guelph.

On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-4 Damien wrote:

> Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario here. I've ordered two Rivs direct, and have 
> purchased a few from fellow members of this group! I've seen exactly two 
> Rivendells in town (a fellow with a Cheviot in DT Kitchener, and a lady 
> with I think an older Atlantis probably 10-12 years ago near Uptown 
> Waterloo)
>
> On Monday 15 July 2024 at 09:30:01 UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Winnipeg, Manitoba and I ordered my 3 Rivs direct from Walnut Creek
>>
>> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 2:36:12 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> I joined the group back in January and don't recall spotting many posts 
>>> from my fellow Canadians, eh.
>>>
>>> Just seeing who is in Canada?  If you're from SW Ontario, maybe we can 
>>> arrange a ride one day; I've never seen a Rivendell in the wild.
>>>
>>> If you have a Riv, did you order direct from them, through C&L in 
>>> Montreal, other?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[Jay]

Nicholas - fortunately my DT shifters are not a long reach down, in 
particular when I'm in the drops (I often am on this bike, as they're 
comfy).  But the water bottles are another story, I have to stretch to get 
down there!

Tio - I've never had dynamo setups but they look really practical if you 
ride a lot in the dark / low light.  I don't very often, so a dynamo hasn't 
interested me so far.  Happy hunting for yours!

On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:51:26 AM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am running non tubeless compatible wheels on my Gus. I thought it would 
> be ok but with the type of riding I do, tubes are a real liability. I’m 
> going to have a set of Velocity wheels built up so I no longer get 
> punctures from the thorns we have up here in the northeast. 
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:52 PM Jay  wrote:
>
>> When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on hand 
>> already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the back of 
>> your mind you've already identified a replacement.
>>
>> I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted for 
>> eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be 
>> replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or 
>> comfortable choices?
>>
>> On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat 
>> post, bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires); 
>> the cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and cassette 
>> are fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs are 
>> on my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like silver, 
>> partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low 
>> end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with 
>> 30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would also 
>> change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[Jay]

Jason F - I wish I had the confidence to switch between drops and swept 
back.  I always wanted to try albatross or VO granola on my Salsa Fargo 
(which I ride as a mountain bike on non technical trails, with lots of 
paved connecting everything).  One day I may give it a shot.

Steve - "obsessing", absolutely you're not alone.  "engaging avocation", 
great phrase!  "core addiction", yes but a health one.  (P.S. sorry I think 
I replied similar just to you...I do that too often and need to pay 
attention before I click).

On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 1:24:46 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's reassuring, after perusing this thread, that I am not alone in 
> obsessing over and  tinkering with my bike builds. 
>
> Is it just an engaging avocation --- or a hard core addiction?  
>
> No matter, it results in comfortable, good looking bikes that keep me in 
> the saddle and moving. 
> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:59:44 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> My Hillborne is running Velocity A23 rims, on the second rear and the 
>> front is nearing end-of-life, and I'd like to switch to Pacenti Brevet's 
>> because they're just so darn good looking.  That's about it for 'permanent' 
>> changes; I do like to switch between drops and albatross and also fenders + 
>> slicks vs. knobbies on the Hillborne but those are more seasonal in nature. 
>>
>> The Bombadil is similarly dialed in; I do bounce around with what bar I 
>> want to run and have a similar tire issue to Bill - I have four pairs for 
>> the Bombadil I think, so even if I put a few thousand km on it per year I'm 
>> set for a bunch of years. I'm glad to be at this stage where the bikes are 
>> totally where I want them to be, but I also get fidgety... it's nice to 
>> have something to look forward to!  
>>
>> On Monday 15 July 2024 at 16:28:41 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> The Tange adjustable bottom bracket Riv sells was too much tempatation 
>>> for me. Wanted to install it on my Hillborne. Love the look, the feel and I 
>>> like to experiment so this was right up my alley. Unfortunately the 118 
>>> spindle was a little too wide. No way to get a replacement spindle from Riv 
>>> or other sources I've checked. I will likely put this up for sale and buy 
>>> another one but with a shorter spindle. 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 3:52:11 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>>>
>>>> When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on 
>>>> hand already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the back 
>>>> of your mind you've already identified a replacement.
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted 
>>>> for eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be 
>>>> replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or 
>>>> comfortable choices?
>>>>
>>>> On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat 
>>>> post, bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires); 
>>>> the cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and 
>>>> cassette 
>>>> are fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs are 
>>>> on my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like 
>>>> silver, 
>>>> partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low 
>>>> end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with 
>>>> 30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would 
>>>> also 
>>>> change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Canadian's in the house

[Jay]

Great seeing a decent number of canucks!

Damien - I'm actually in Georgetown, but often ride in Guelph area as I 
meet up with a friend and ride that area.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 11:54:11 AM UTC-4 h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:

> Greetings from the Okanagan! 
>
> Our household has 3 rivs from scouring the used depths of the internet. 
> Scored a Bleriot from Vancouver Island, a Heron Touring from a fellow in 
> the Fraser Valley and my partner has an Atlantis frame we had shipped up 
> from Colorado and built up and got the wheelset from off this list. I've 
> ordered some specific parts from Bluelug (shipping and import are pretty 
> expensive, but I shared the cost with a few friends on the order) and made 
> several C&L orders. I've never seen another Riv round these parts but I've 
> heard legend of another enthusiast in Kamloops. If you're on this list 
> would love to connect.
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 8:14:53 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:
>
>> Jason - love Guelph! Went to school there actually. What a great city
>>
>> On Tuesday 16 July 2024 at 07:58:35 UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Not so many Rivs in the wild hereand the roads and paths are filling 
>>> up with e-bikes. I do know one local guy who is a serious collector of 
>>> bikes...in the double digits with several Rivendells , among others...but 
>>> he rides beaters around the city for obvious reasons. I did see, about 6 
>>> weeks ago, a well-used and cared for SimpleOne locked outside my local mall 
>>> and if I hadn't been in a hurry, I would have loved to meet its owner. Over 
>>> the years, my Rivendells and their predecessor, a 1993 X0-1 that I still 
>>> have ,have garnered a lot of interest, but, again, for obvious reasons, 
>>> they're not the bikes I lock up anywhere downtown.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:05:04 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Checking in from Vancouver BC as well! 
>>>>
>>>> I've bought three Rivs direct from Walnut Creek and one off Joe on the 
>>>> list here.  If I ever find myself buying another Riv (shouldn't ... but 
>>>> never say never) I would certainly consider getting thru CL Cycles. Not 
>>>> sure it would be much cheaper in the end but maybe a little saved on 
>>>> import 
>>>> fees. 
>>>>
>>>> While there's not a lot of Rivendell presence around here, I'm lucky to 
>>>> see the odd one in my travels .. I haven't kept track but I'd say the 
>>>> tally 
>>>> is somewhere around 15 - 20.  
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 15 July 2024 at 16:21:38 UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Welcome, Jay!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm out near Nelson, BC. I bought my Hunqapillar from Riv, but I went 
>>>>> to the US and picked it up. My Atlantis came from a list member, but I 
>>>>> also 
>>>>> had it shipped to a US address. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:33:42 AM UTC-7 Matt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m in Kingston, Ontario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 1:13:57 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vancouver here. Ive ordered Riv parts from blue-lug (better stock of 
>>>>>>> Riv handlebars and cheaper), occasionally C&L, a few orders direct from 
>>>>>>> Walnut Creek. I usually try to get a few people in on an order. Both 
>>>>>>> Riv's 
>>>>>>> i've owned and a fair amount of parts have been second hand local 
>>>>>>> owners. 
>>>>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 9:54:33 AM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Canadian here in Dundas, bought my first Riv in 2012 direct, was 
>>>>>>>> off a bike for a number of years finally back in the saddle and 
>>>>>>>> looking to 
>>>>>>>> consolidate my 3 older riv frames into a multipurpose bike, still 
>>>>>>>> working 
>>>>>>>> through the decision tree of which one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:51:42 AM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damien - if you ever see someone on a da

Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[Jay]

I love all the photos and variety of locations and landscapes.  Keep'em 
coming

On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 9:56:09 AM UTC-4 Nicholas A wrote:

> The sky matching my handlebar tape yesterday. 
>
> [image: IMG_9624.jpg]
>
> On Thursday 18 July 2024 at 01:56:37 UTC+1 Gill wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0007.jpeg][image: IMG_0018.jpeg]The BC pics are sweet. Just 
>> returned from Maine. The Kennebec river and Sebec lake. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Like Eric (and others) we've had high temps and humidity lately, but a 
>>> few evenings this week have gotten down into the upper 80s without 
>>> excessive humidity - good to sneak in a quick 10 mile or so ride and the 
>>> Platypus is great for these sorts of rambles.
>>>
>>> [image: GR001-05358_redwing-1350.jpg]
>>> [image: GR001-05370_bog-1350.jpg]
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:17:35 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Summer evenings in the Slocan Valley, Kootenays, BC!
 [image: Here&There By Bike - 1 of 3.jpeg]
 [image: Here&There By Bike - 2 of 3.jpeg]
 [image: Here&There By Bike - 3 of 3.jpeg]
 Cheers, John


 On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 12:33:41 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> It's a hot one here in central Indiana but I talked my kid into an 
> ~18-mile ride on some rail trail. [image: IMG_1450 Large.jpeg]
> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's been miserably hot and humid here in Virginia for the past few 
>> weeks. Currently 97º and 44% humidity. High of 100º tomorrow. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]4
>>
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 12:12:25 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Monday’s ride, from Concord through Walnut Creek, Moraga, Canyon, 
>>> and over the hill to Montclair and Berkeley. 
>>>
>>> Thanks Adam, for the recommendations! 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

Update: I'm swapping the bars on my Salsa Fargo.  Going with the VO 
Granola.  I can use them with stems I have on hand, just had to add brake 
levers, grips and a Sram Apex flat bar shifter.  Need hew cables/housing 
anyway, so all-in-all the experiment won't break the bank.  I'll report 
back in a couple of weeks after it's built up and, hopefully, dialled in.

Very little chance I'll switch the bars on my Roadini.  I'm really happy 
with that set up and feel like I will *not* be making any changes to it for 
a long time (which is a delight, for someone who's always making changes to 
dial in fit).

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:33:52 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> I ended up sticking with drop bars, but making some changes after a good 
> conversation with my chiro and a few rides on the three bikes where I paid 
> a lot of attention to where I had pain, and my posture on those rides.
>
> On the Roadini and Salsa, I was using 42cm bars (at the hoods hoods) with 
> 12 degrees of flare.  First time I went up from 40cm.  In previous fittings 
> I was told I can run a 38cm as I have narrow shoulders.  It's a trend these 
> days to run wider, I tried it, but it really backfired given my 
> pre-existing neck/shoulder issue.  When on the hoods my arms were not a 
> straight line from my body, they were out a bit, and this was a minor 
> (major at times) pain.  I replaced those bars, have ridden each bike once 
> (1.5-2.5 hours) and it was instantly noticeable.  Pain gone.  Both of those 
> bikes have the bars upright (tops level with saddle, hoods higher) and not 
> stretched out.  Road bike has 40cm bars, but the reach is long and drop is 
> 2.5cm below saddle (making the drops unreachable for me).  That's being 
> rectified next.
>
> I may try swept back one day, but for now I do love drop bars and the 
> varied hand positions, and it was much cheaper to replace two bars and 
> re-use the table (success on both counts).
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>> better?
>>
>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
>> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>>
>> *Quick background*
>> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
>> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
>> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
>> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
>> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
>> 'gravel' bikes/riding
>> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
>> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
>> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
>> training; have had numerous bike fits
>> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
>> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
>> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
>> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>>
>> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
>> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
>> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
>> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
>> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>>
>> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes 
>> tired as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
>> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
>> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
>> aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
>> awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% 
>> to 99%)*
>>
>> My guess is t

[RBW] Re: VT- Montreal trip report

[Jay]

Sounds like you had a great time in Montreal and this trip in general. 
 Great write-up and photos!  I picked up my Roadini from C&L in February; 
great shop and people.  I wish I could join them on a ride and spend more 
time around those good vibes!

On Monday, July 29, 2024 at 5:13:02 PM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> What a great write-up and photos, Pam! I'm going to be in Vermont for the 
> next four months, beginning in mid-August or so, and will take a look at 
> that route. I agree, as well; those C&L people who were at PBE are very 
> nice.
>
> Tom
>
> On Monday, July 29, 2024 at 3:21:09 PM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pam, that looks like such a great trip!  I'm flying to Buffalo to ride 
>> the Erie Canal with my son this summer, I suppose I will want to attach 
>> fenders to my bike before we leave...in CA, we don't worry much about rain 
>> during the summer months. 
>>
>> Tell us more about that sun hat you're wearing 
>>
>> On Monday, July 29, 2024 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, Pam, that looks like quite a trip. And he got to meet so many great 
>>> people along the way.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 28, 2024 at 10:22:31 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 When I met Julian and Roberto of C&L, the Riv dealer in Montreal, I got 
 the idea to ride there.  Here's the link to pictures.  And they put 
 together a ride while I was there.  So many Rivs!  Now I want to take 
 another bike trip!  https://cltspokespeople.org/category/blog/
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Jay]

Love that your teenagers waited up for you, and that you would ground them. 
 Sounds like a fun ride!

On Friday, August 2, 2024 at 1:58:44 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

>
> Bill, you get me. Come to the east Michigan ride and we’ll both be tipsy 
> on life in The Shire! 
>
> On Aug 2, 2024, at 12:49 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> "I was stone-cold sober"
>
> I believe that she means that she didn't partake in any of the 
> party-lubricants.  Still, Leah's brand of joie de vivre will never qualify 
> in my book as stone-cold sober.  Tipsy on life is closer.  
>
> BL in EC
> P.S. APPROVE
> On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 3:41:10 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have long wished to do the Grand Rapids Wednesday Evening Ride. My Riv 
>> buddy, J, co-leads it, and the routes are ever-changing and FUN. Maybe you 
>> storm the castle. Maybe you end up in a river. Wind up in a kickball 
>> tournament. It isn’t convenient - it’s an hour’s drive, and starts after 
>> 8pm. A ride that starts after 8!!! On a Wednesday! But those GR folks 
>> know how to do it.
>>
>>
>> Last night, I made it. Beginning in the heart of GR, we would ride a 16 
>> mi route in urban and rural landscapes. A variety of bikes were 
>> represented; cobbled-together builds, vintage bikes, bikepacking and 
>> touring bikes, fixies, hybrids, whatever those bikes are that you ride on 
>> the rear wheel, and one Platypus. Not represented: high-tech carbon 
>> fiber/time trial bikes with roadies astride them. The reason would soon 
>> become apparent.
>>
>>
>> We set off. Bikes were all over the road. “The kids”, a group of teens 
>> who ride their rear wheels set themselves up as “blockers” so we could move 
>> through intersections. The drivers seemed unbothered. J said, “Leah, I 
>> forgot to tell you we are going to blow red lights. The police prefer we do 
>> so we stay in one group.” The ride has been going for 20 years, so I guess 
>> the drivers expect this. I did as I was told, casting nervous glances over 
>> my shoulder at J.
>>
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Most of my miles come from club rides. Club rides prize order, 
>> communication, pace, predictability. This ride was a free-for-all. Jubilant 
>> and raucous. Music blared from speakers strapped to frames. People sipped 
>> beer. The scent of weed hung in the air. The Kids zipped about on one 
>> wheel. We had two crashes in the first 20 minutes. I vacillated between 
>> having fun and feeling terrified. 
>>
>>
>> One minute we were in the city, the next we were in the woods on a paved 
>> trail, bodies of water surrounding us. The sounds of the creatures in the 
>> woods were as loud as the music on the bikes. We sailed over bridges, 
>> veered off onto gravel, our giant band of bikes wending its way along the 
>> route. It was gorgeous. 
>>
>>
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> We stopped at a giant pavilion, strung with outdoor lights, and 
>> rabblerousing ensued. People laughed and visited, music played, fireflies 
>> flickered overhead. At nearly 10 pm, in the pitch black of night, they 
>> mounted their bikes, got back on the trail and planned to end at a bar.
>>
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> The woods felt like they were closing in on us. Like that scene in The 
>> Legend of Sleepy Hollow. It was THRILLING, and I smiled to myself in the 
>> dark. Suddenly there was yelling at the front and SLOWING….I couldn’t make 
>> out the word at first. SKUNK!!! An actual skunk was running along the path. 
>> We dared not pass him for fear of smelling more like skunk than the weed 
>> smoke had already done to us. 
>>
>>
>> I skipped the bar; J rode me to my truck and helped me load my Platypus. 
>> The Platypus was perfect for this; chunky tires and compact size, front and 
>> rear dyno lights, resplendent in color and quite the conversation starter. 
>>
>>
>> [image: image4.jpeg]   
>>
>> I got home at midnight; my teenagers were waiting up for me. If they had 
>> walked in the door smelling like I did, I’d have grounded them on the spot.
>>  
>>
>>
>> 10/10 would do again.
>>
>>
>> Note: I was stone-cold sober, putting TWO electrolyte tabs in my water 
>> was as wild as I got. Lest you think poorly of me. 😊
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2024, at 6:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
>> wrote:
>>
>> People here are always posting about their “ride reports.” Something 
>> enchanting in some far away place with photos that pose the bike JUST SO…
>>
>>
>> But yesterday I went wilding and I’m going to give you a DIFFERENT kind 
>> of Ride Report. 
>>
>> In the next post, though, because you know how I do it…
>>
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Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Jay]

re 
>>>>>>> forced to dismount at times, squeeze through narrow spaces. We must 
>>>>>>> lift 
>>>>>>> our bikes up and over obstacles, hoping not to get hit from behind by 
>>>>>>> other 
>>>>>>> riders in the dark. I wonder how many ticks we have, and if I will get 
>>>>>>> my 
>>>>>>> first taste of poison ivy. But, I can’t worry about that now because I 
>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>> to make it out of here alive first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I end up at the front of my section. The riders directly behind me 
>>>>>>> have no lights. We are counting on me, and my headlight is pointed too 
>>>>>>> far 
>>>>>>> down and I can’t lift it because it’s screwed tight. So we don’t have a 
>>>>>>> lot 
>>>>>>> of forward visibility. I see something in the dark. The ground starts 
>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> drop. “STOP STOP STOP! GET OFF YOUR BIKES!” I yell. Everyone behind me 
>>>>>>> echoes this and I turn on my iPhone flashlight for better viewing. 
>>>>>>> There is 
>>>>>>> a pit just ahead, and an inches-wide beam we are going to have to 
>>>>>>> traverse 
>>>>>>> to get across. I can’t believe it. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To my left is one 6-8inch wide beam that stretches across a yawning 
>>>>>>> pit. There is another to my right. We are high up enough that there are 
>>>>>>> tree branches reaching across the way. We will use both beams to move 
>>>>>>> everyone across. I have to lift my bike up onto the beam, step up and 
>>>>>>> begin 
>>>>>>> to inch across. The woman behind me lets forth a stream of cuss words. 
>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>> can hear another woman who is protesting. We don’t have any choice but 
>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> traverse that wood. I resign myself to it, and I lift my Platypus and 
>>>>>>> balance it on the beam. Like Simone Biles! Ok, fine, not Simone Biles. 
>>>>>>> Looking for security, I grab for the branches as I wheel my bike by. If 
>>>>>>> my 
>>>>>>> bike goes over the edge, I’ll never get it out, I think. If I go over 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> edge, I’m also never getting out. A man is waiting on the far side. 
>>>>>>> “You 
>>>>>>> can do it! You’ve got the Platypus!” he calls. And I do it. Some men 
>>>>>>> coax 
>>>>>>> the riders behind me over the beam and we are on our way again. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rest of the ride was tame in comparison. It ended at their 
>>>>>>> watering hole and I pealed off for the park, where my truck was. I was 
>>>>>>> nervous riding alone at 11 pm in downtown but after what I’d just 
>>>>>>> survived, 
>>>>>>> it didn’t seem so scary. I rode those 2 miles, wrestled the bike into 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> back of the Telluride, and made it home at midnight. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don’t know why I do these rides - I’m terrified most of the time. 
>>>>>>> But I will probably go back next week. It’s a good story, if nothing 
>>>>>>> else. 
>>>>>>> 🙃
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2024, at 12:30 PM, Jay  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love that your teenagers waited up for you, and that you would 
>>>>>>> ground them.  Sounds like a fun ride!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, August 2, 2024 at 1:58:44 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill, you get me. Come to the east Michigan ride and we’ll both be 
>>>>>>>> tipsy on life in The Shire! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2024, at 12:49 

[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Jay]

I would be interested in a lugged Roadini If I could easily strip my 
complete build, sell the frames for like 85% of what I paid (in Feb) and 
then rebuild with a few modifications from my original build.  Mostly 
though, I would select a 54cm over a 57cm.  I'm running my C17 as far 
forward on the rails as possible on a straight seat post.  It's fine, and I 
still love the bike, but I could have went down a size (I was between 
sizes).  My Roadini has good welds to my eye, more about the size and maybe 
the new colour scheme (that mermaid Atlantis colour...hmm, that would be a 
done deal if they offered that colour).

On Saturday, August 17, 2024 at 5:46:01 PM UTC-4 Tom wrote:

> I called Riv today to ask several questions, one of which was the status 
> on the lugged Roadini. It seems that originally the launch was scheduled 
> for this Fall. However, they’re applying the Roaduno delay to the lugged 
> Roadini, meaning it’s likely it wont be available until early 2025. Several 
> other bikes are ahead of it, including Appaloosa, Gallup.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:04:26 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>> *Lugged 
>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>
>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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