Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadeo

[ryan . trent . olson]

Bump $1700 plus shipping.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 23, 2024, at 5:27 PM, R Olson  wrote:Bump - $1800 plus shipping or make me an offer.On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:I’ve decided to go ahead and list this bike here.  This is a phenomenal bike.  I’ve said many times on this list before,
it’s the best bike I’ve ever owned and still stand by that.  Just not doing the long road rides that I
used to.  It’s in great condition, with
the exception of the paint.  The paint is
chipped in many places as you can see in the photos.  You can get a complete bike and re-do the
paint for less than the cost (and wait) of a new frame.  Saddle and pedals are included!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dKm8kgX7V2Nu8K34A

$1,900.  Buyer pays
for the shipping.

Parts List:

Frame and fork:  61cm
Roadeo frame, Waterford made, heated treated steel

Handlebar:  48mm Nitto
Noodles wrapped in blue newbaum’s cloth tape (no shellac)

Stem:  Nitto dirt drop,
100mm (I have a technomic 100m that I can include if you don’t like the dirt
drop)

Brifters:  Shimano
ST-R7000 105 Shift/Brake Lever

Brakes:  Shimano
BR-R451 Mid Reach Brake Caliper

Front derailer:  Shimano
FD-R8000 Ultegra Double Front Derailleur

Rear derailer: Shimano RD-R8000 Ultegra Rear Derailleur

Bottom Bracket:  Shimano
SM-BBR60 Ultegra 6800

Crank: Shimano FC-R8000 Ultegra Double Crankset - 175mm x
34/50t

Pedals: VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals, Blue

Saddle:  Ergon sport
saddle with cutout.

Wheelset:  Velocity
A23’s laced to Shimano 105 hubs, built by Rich at Hands on Wheels, 36 F/R with
11 spd Shimano Ultegra cassette

Continental Grand Prix 5000 with plenty of life left, with
TPU tubes.  



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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne seatpost

[Ryan]

Believe it or not(get a life, Ryan) - I couldn't find seat post diameter 
anywhere on SH specs on the RBW site or in any of the newsletter specs for 
later iterations of this frame...but as a counter-example for Johnny Alien, 
I do remember Leah's quest for a nicer long-setback post for her 
Platypus(lugged frame) limited her options somewhat because it  took a 
26.8; RBW lists this. And I think the Roaduno (lugged) is also 26.8. The 
Roadeo does list 27.2 as the seatpost size as does Homer 
Hilsen.Butbupkis for the Sam unless the frame brochure they put out 
from time to time lists it somewhere. 

All that being said, easiest way to find out is to give RBW HQ a call

On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 12:40:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> 27.2
>
> For some reason I feel like there is some rule of thumb like...lugged 
> frames are 27.2 and tigged or filet brazed or different. I am probably 
> wrong about that.
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-4 Ron Cramer wrote:
>
>> It is probably on the website and I missed it. What seatpost on the new 
>> Sam Hillborne: 26.8 or 27.2?
>> Thanks 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which one to keep

[tio ryan]

Something I've come to appreciate about my Platypus is the mid-stay in the 
rear triangle. I reside in a 3rd floor walkup and often have to carry my 
bike up and down stairs. I utilize that middle stay quite regularly when 
lifting or carrying the bike. 

-tio 
On Thursday, July 18, 2024 at 1:51:22 PM UTC-4 rau...@gmail.com wrote:

> Chris, I've read a bunch of posts on this thread already about the 
> Platypus vs the ClemSmithJr. All I am getting from the posts is that the 
> ClemSmithJr can handle touring better in terms of carrying gear and that it 
> has a longer wheelbase  whereas the Platypus will be lighter and zippier 
> but fully capable. Having owned both are there any other descriptions you 
> can add to both of these bikes. Would you be able to share how you narrowed 
> down which one to keep.
>
> Ray
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 2:25:32 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Ray 
>>
>>
>> I think it was Sam Maloof  who said 
>> that a chair should first and foremost invite the individual to come and 
>> sit. Rivendell bikes invite me to ride them, far more than any other 
>> bicycle manufacturer, and the ride, like Sam’s rocking chairs, always 
>> exceed my expectation of the invite. 
>>
>>
>> I’ve owned a number of Rivendell bikes (Road Standard, LongLow, 
>> Rambouillet, Bleriot, Bombadil, Sam, and a Platypus) and now a Clem. 
>> Clearly I like Rivendell bikes, and the mindset at Rivendell. 
>>
>>
>> I ride the Clem 99% on the road, around town, and typically on two 
>> extended rides each week. To me, the Clem is the zenith of the Rivendell 
>> experience. I feel like it kindly informs other cyclists that they don’t 
>> have to ride carbon frames, or skinny tires, or clipless pedals, or … to 
>> just enjoy their authenticity. To me, me, it’s the most authentic of the 
>> current Rivendell design. To me, it most inspires wabi-sabi and beausage. I 
>> won’t argue any of those points: my truth, maybe no one else’s. 
>>
>>
>> Is there one that is more inviting to you? 
>>
>>
>> Now, can you folks help me decide which color Montecito Pinto goes best 
>> with the Clem green in my driveway? I'm thinking of only keeping one. 
>>
>>
>> [image: Montecito_Pintos.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>>
>> Chris 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 6:37:47 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> Having ridden both, I'd say that the clem may face some limitations when 
>>> it comes to heavier loaded rides (that you may not be expecting or 
>>> planning) because the flex on the frame is a lot more noticeable on the 
>>> clem than the platy. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:13:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either one 
 in all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the most 
 comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
 that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would be 
 the Clem.

 On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:10:25 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Prioritize needs and wants. Then choose which bike meets most or all 
> of them. 
> If they both cover them all, then I’d go by looks. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> I’m curious how you guys would choose between two bikes you already 
>> have. 
>> I have a Clem and a Platypus, they are both very comfortable and 
>> extremely nice riding bikes. 
>> There’s so much overlap between them I don’t need both. 
>> I’m leaning towards the Clem because it will fit my niece better than 
>> the Platypus will. 
>> The Platypus is a really beautiful bike. 
>> I know some members have duplicates or multiples of bikes they like. 
>> How would you guys choose between the two?
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Canadian's in the house

[Ryan]

Not so many Rivs in the wild hereand the roads and paths are filling up 
with e-bikes. I do know one local guy who is a serious collector of 
bikes...in the double digits with several Rivendells , among others...but 
he rides beaters around the city for obvious reasons. I did see, about 6 
weeks ago, a well-used and cared for SimpleOne locked outside my local mall 
and if I hadn't been in a hurry, I would have loved to meet its owner. Over 
the years, my Rivendells and their predecessor, a 1993 X0-1 that I still 
have ,have garnered a lot of interest, but, again, for obvious reasons, 
they're not the bikes I lock up anywhere downtown.

On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:05:04 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Checking in from Vancouver BC as well! 
>
> I've bought three Rivs direct from Walnut Creek and one off Joe on the 
> list here.  If I ever find myself buying another Riv (shouldn't ... but 
> never say never) I would certainly consider getting thru CL Cycles. Not 
> sure it would be much cheaper in the end but maybe a little saved on import 
> fees. 
>
> While there's not a lot of Rivendell presence around here, I'm lucky to 
> see the odd one in my travels .. I haven't kept track but I'd say the tally 
> is somewhere around 15 - 20.  
>
> On Monday 15 July 2024 at 16:21:38 UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Welcome, Jay!
>>
>> I'm out near Nelson, BC. I bought my Hunqapillar from Riv, but I went to 
>> the US and picked it up. My Atlantis came from a list member, but I also 
>> had it shipped to a US address. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:33:42 AM UTC-7 Matt wrote:
>>
>>> I’m in Kingston, Ontario.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 1:13:57 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vancouver here. Ive ordered Riv parts from blue-lug (better stock of 
>>>> Riv handlebars and cheaper), occasionally C, a few orders direct from 
>>>> Walnut Creek. I usually try to get a few people in on an order. Both Riv's 
>>>> i've owned and a fair amount of parts have been second hand local owners. 
>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 9:54:33 AM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Canadian here in Dundas, bought my first Riv in 2012 direct, was off a 
>>>>> bike for a number of years finally back in the saddle and looking to 
>>>>> consolidate my 3 older riv frames into a multipurpose bike, still working 
>>>>> through the decision tree of which one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:51:42 AM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Damien - if you ever see someone on a dark gold Roadini, it's 
>>>>>> probably me!  At least once a week I'm riding on the east side of Guelph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario here. I've ordered two Rivs direct, and 
>>>>>>> have purchased a few from fellow members of this group! I've seen 
>>>>>>> exactly 
>>>>>>> two Rivendells in town (a fellow with a Cheviot in DT Kitchener, and a 
>>>>>>> lady 
>>>>>>> with I think an older Atlantis probably 10-12 years ago near Uptown 
>>>>>>> Waterloo)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday 15 July 2024 at 09:30:01 UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Winnipeg, Manitoba and I ordered my 3 Rivs direct from Walnut Creek
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 2:36:12 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I joined the group back in January and don't recall spotting many 
>>>>>>>>> posts from my fellow Canadians, eh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just seeing who is in Canada?  If you're from SW Ontario, maybe we 
>>>>>>>>> can arrange a ride one day; I've never seen a Rivendell in the wild.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have a Riv, did you order direct from them, through C in 
>>>>>>>>> Montreal, other?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[tio ryan]

Lovin' this discussion. For me, only 1 of my bikes currently has a dynamo 
light setup, and it's not my Platypus. In an ideal world, all of my bikes 
(Rivs especially) would have generators.

Since I lack wheel building experience, it feels like purchasing multiple 
dynamo setups would be wasteful and more of a financial burden than the 
hassle of swapping rechargeable lights — especially since I can only ride 
one bike at a time. For now, I keep my eyes open for any "deals". 

-tio "*searchin' for the light*" ryan 

On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> Or you could ride the good tires now and enjoy life. With any luck, the 
> sidewalls on the Fatty Rumpkins might degrade into an unridable state by 
> the time you get down to them. 
>
> Eric
> Who deals with excess tires by selling them on bikes. 
>
>
> On Sunday, July 14, 2024, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> The only thing I have going right now that is close to that is tires.  
>> I've got way WAY too many tires, and I refuse to sell used tires, and I 
>> refuse to throw away tires that have any life at all left in them.  -BUT- I 
>> love it when I use up a tire and am able to discard it.  I call that weird 
>> combination of neuroses "Minimalist Pack Rat". Anyway, part of my drive to 
>> reduce my huge inventory is to get rid of the worst tires, which means I'm 
>> trying to ride my worst tires the most.  Like the 650B Crust I rode today 
>> has a pair of Fatty Rumpkins on it.  I'd rather run Babyshoe Pass tires on 
>> that bike, but I'm not allowing that until I wear out some other tires.  
>> Tires these days last forever, though.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 12:52:11 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on hand 
>>> already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the back of 
>>> your mind you've already identified a replacement.
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted for 
>>> eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be 
>>> replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or 
>>> comfortable choices?
>>>
>>> On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat 
>>> post, bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires); 
>>> the cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and cassette 
>>> are fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs are 
>>> on my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like silver, 
>>> partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low 
>>> end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with 
>>> 30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would also 
>>> change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Canadian's in the house

[Ryan]

Winnipeg, Manitoba and I ordered my 3 Rivs direct from Walnut Creek

On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 2:36:12 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:

> I joined the group back in January and don't recall spotting many posts 
> from my fellow Canadians, eh.
>
> Just seeing who is in Canada?  If you're from SW Ontario, maybe we can 
> arrange a ride one day; I've never seen a Rivendell in the wild.
>
> If you have a Riv, did you order direct from them, through C in 
> Montreal, other?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Ryan]

I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:

> Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.
>
> jared in SC, CA
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
>> from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
>> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
>> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
>> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
>>> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
>>> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
>>> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
>>> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
>>> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
 silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  

 I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
 headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
 now, and I endorse it.  

 I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
 instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
 Silver 
 cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
 the 
 East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
> I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day!

[Ryan]

@Brian...that periwinkle is a great color and that's a nice build! I think 
I'd keep the eggplant which I see you also have on the driveside chainstay 
because it picks up on the purplish hue of that periwinkle. Although seeing 
the bike in the flesh *is* different from a laptop monitor.

Glad you enjoy the bike

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 12:57:46 AM UTC-5 Brian Watts wrote:

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> On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I was there in the morning yesterday too.
>> I think I saw your bike!
>>
>> Let’s see some new ride photos!
>> k.
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Brian Watts  wrote:
>>
>> I made the pilgrimage to Walnut Creek via Bart yesterday, my Sam was 
>> waiting for me. I thought it would be romantic to ride home and get a 
>> proper feel for my first Rivendell...and it WAS. Roman is a pleasure to 
>> work with and he showed me some details of the bike. I didn't know this but 
>> they give you some swag too:patch kit, allen tool, bandana, the new 
>> seatpost diam. stickers etc...fun!
>>
>>
>>
>> Build details: I bought the Sam Hillborne to replace a Crust Romanceur 
>> and moved most of the parts over. The low trail handling of the Romanceur 
>> did not sit well with me, felt too unstable and quick descents felt 
>> borderline dangerous requiring both hands on bars. I did need 700c wheels 
>> so I kept with the Velocity Quills in case I go tubeless again. 
>> *Hub sound is important to me, I have a White T11 that is very loud (too 
>> loud for me) and would make sense (to me) on a proper road bike. But the 
>> Sam (and the Crust) is my do most things bike, including low speed 
>> neighborhood runs with my kids, errands, etc. A loud hub is a conversation 
>> non-starter in these situations. I visited RBW earlier and really liked the 
>> stock Velocity hub, louder than Deore but still quiet-ish, a classy sound 
>> imo. Rich used one word to describe the Silvr hub.LOUD. I also have the 
>> Velocity dynamo hub which Rich says is the same as the Kasai (which isn't 
>> in stock atm.
>> *Son light, paul cantis, White VBC cranks (44x30) albatross bars, a new 
>> RBW front rack etc.
>> Bike thoughts: Only 20 miles with some hills into it but I love the 
>> stability! That was my main reason for selling the Crust and I love how the 
>> Sam handles. With sweep back bars the handling can become too light but I 
>> was able to ride hands free down small hills which I would never try on the 
>> low trail Crust. YAY!! I will fine tune bar height; the stem is a Tallux 12 
>> which is an error, we had decided on the 90-190 so Roman will have that 
>> switched next week. I will try to post pics here but if not I will reply 
>> with pics.
>>
>> I may change the eggplant bartape to olive or navy or grey. I'm open to 
>> suggestions!
>>
>> I'm looking forward to more time on the bike, thanks for reading!
>> Brian
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Ryan Frahm]

I had planned on the Clem replacing the 2 bikes I have but it seems my 
budget needs to be tighter than expected. My Clem will have to keep waiting 
it seems. Thank you all very much for the help!

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:33:15 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Ryan,
> as an idea... Call Will Keating tomorrow at RBW headquarters and see if 
> they have a 59cm frameset unsold somewhere in their warehouse or even a 
> complete or a demo. I bought my 52cm Clem through a serendipity experience 
> talking to Will. I was and remain truly grateful to find one in RBW blue. 
>
> ...or post ISO/WTB: 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset on 
> Facebook's Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/> webpage. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Ryan,
>> You are more than welcome.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:09:55 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you again, Kim!
>>>
>>> Thank you Chris for that picture! Nice looking Clem you have there! I am 
>>> usually at 79cm on my saddle so that is a big help on where I’d be. 
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I looked and that Weehoo trailer doesn’t make an adapter 
>>> for the Clem seatpost size. I’m sure I can figure something out. Still hope 
>>> I can find a frame! There’s a 64 on eBay but $250 for shipping and sales 
>>> tax doesn’t save much over the ones Riv has in stock!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a recent photo of my 64cm Clem L, with 78cm seat seat height 
>>>> adjusted for my 88cm PBH. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_1854.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> - Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BTW... you are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike 
>>>>>> both on and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I 
>>>>>> could test ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike. 
>>>>>> However, I cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the 
>>>>>> past discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, 
>>>>>> than 
>>>>>> the Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks 
>>>>>> HOMAGE 
>>>>>> 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
>>>>>>> perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] WTT -- 2020 Crust Bombora for Hillborne or Joe Appaloosa

[Ryan Mulcahy]

This is a long-shot, but figured I'd test the waters. Lot of scuffed paint 
on the Bombora but no dents or riding issues. It's a great bike, have loved 
every minute on it, but I'd like to switch to something more upright. Can 
provide pictures/more details if anyone's interested. In the Boston area. 
Could ship if necessary.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you again, Kim!

Thank you Chris for that picture! Nice looking Clem you have there! I am 
usually at 79cm on my saddle so that is a big help on where I’d be. 

Unfortunately, I looked and that Weehoo trailer doesn’t make an adapter for 
the Clem seatpost size. I’m sure I can figure something out. Still hope I 
can find a frame! There’s a 64 on eBay but $250 for shipping and sales tax 
doesn’t save much over the ones Riv has in stock!

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Here's a recent photo of my 64cm Clem L, with 78cm seat seat height 
> adjusted for my 88cm PBH. 
>
> [image: IMG_1854.jpg]
>
> - Chris
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> BTW... you are welcome.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike both 
>>> on and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I could 
>>> test ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike. However, 
>>> I cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the past 
>>> discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, than the 
>>> Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance and 
>>> abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks HOMAGE 
>>> 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
 perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.

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[RBW] WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Ryan Frahm]

Hello all! Just wondering if anyone has a current geo version of the Clem 
frameset that they are looking to move along? I could probably fit a 64 as 
well but not sure I’d be able to use a Weehoo under the slammed seatpost. I 
have a 90.5 PBH so I know I can fit the 64, just not sure about the trailer!

Thank you in advance!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Ryan]

Thanks for that Peter...I knew I had read about this somewhere and wasn't 
just making stuff up...I do know the later customs have the initials of the 
builder along with the year. That being said, it is a lovely bike from the 
classic era and may go some way to explaining why I can't seem to let go of 
my 97 A/R yet. Hoarding, I know

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-5 Father of Sam wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Weird that this is my first time ever responding or posting anything to 
> this group in 15 years, but I thought it might be helpful to drop this here:
>
> https://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/serial-numbers/
>
> The letter corresponds to the month of the year (skipping 'I'), so this 
> beautiful bike was the 87th frame built at Waterford in October of '96.  
> What an absolute treasure!
>
> -Peter
> NorCal
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>>
>> Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. 
>>
>>
>> It was built in Waterford in 1996. The "K" indicates which builder at 
>> Waterford wielded the torch. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Ryan]

That is a piece of history all right. This might be a moot point since the 
bike has been sold, not surprising...but I seem to remember in the depths 
of Rivendell lore, either in  a reader,  maybe in a  response to a question 
someone asked that Waterford assigned the letters of the alphabet 
sequentially to indicate the month of production A=Jan, B= Febso 
K=November and then followed it with year of production

On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 8:30:10 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:

> This bicycle has been sold.  Thanks for viewing and being so kind.  
>
> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>
>> I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not 
>> know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only a 
>> few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned 
>> this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one.  
>> I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at 
>> suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995. 
>> I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before 
>> hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet, 
>> both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it 
>> is time to clean out the stable.
>>
>>
>> This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat 
>> tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think 
>> it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 inch 
>> Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, and 
>> Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto 
>> Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro 
>> cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the 
>> bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not 
>> included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the 
>> seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple, 
>> 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but not 
>> new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  Some 
>> can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  I 
>> have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage. 
>>
>>
>> This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in 
>> Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to subtract 
>> $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home or near my 
>> home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.
>>
>>
>> Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.  
>>
>>
>> Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further 
>> pictures of your choosing.[image: IMG_2403.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Where can I read try out a ton of different Rivendell models?

[Ryan]

Anthony, that is great that you are going to Riv HQ in Auguatbest way 
to pick a bike and I don't think you'll be disappointed

As far as paying for it...Riv has a 6-month payment plan agreement with 
PayPal if that helps...check with folks at Riv to ensure this option is 
still 
applicable. https://www.rivbike.com/pages/financing?_pos=6&_sid=5574a8e69&_ss=r 

Good luck with your search

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:05:36 PM UTC-5 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Call Vince or James at Rivillle and ask if there are any old catalogs 
> laying around. 
> It has all the frame dimentions . Won't have latest models but it has Sam 
> , Cheviot, Appaloosa ,Homer,Clem,Atlantis.Rodini
> Jon
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, 10:36 AM Anthony Davila  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm interested in getting a Rivendell in a year or so, but I wanted 
>> to try some out in the meantime. Does anyone know of any places that have 
>> readily available rivs (preferably Roadinis)? Where did you guys try them 
>> out before purchasing? 
>>
>> I'm from Florida and the riv dealer near me doesn't have any complete 
>> bikes. If anyone is in the Tampa or Miami area and is generous enough to 
>> let me have a test-ride, that would be great! Thanks in advance! 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[tio ryan]

I woke up this morning thinking about gear ratios -- crunching numbers on 
BikeCalc and referencing the previous single-speeds I've enjoyed throughout 
the years. Things of note about the 'uno: 

   - An in-the-box COMPLETE comes with a 38t big ring and a 26t small ring 
   and a 16t cog on a flip-flop hub

The stock gear ratio on a 43mm tire equates to 62 gear inches, since mine 
will have 650b wheels. That's going to be too small, since I'm used to 69 
gear inches on my Kuwahara <https://i.imgur.com/mW9JzHQ.jpeg> and I pedaled 
73 gear inches for many years on my IRO <https://i.imgur.com/pXxqPUM.jpg> (it's 
not very hilly here). I'm also not into the chainguard aesthetic and the 
stock rings are not the best-looking on their own. I want my drivetrain to 
look clean, that's something I appreciate about a singlespeed bicycle. 

Here's where I'm at currently. I'm in possession of a 18t eno fw with wear 
(from my iro) and stock is 16t. If the math is correct and I'm seeking a 
ratio in the 69-73 zone:

with stock freewheel (16t)
42t = 69
43t = 71
44t = 72 

with my freewheel (18t)
47t = 69
48t = 70
49t = 72

Searching eBay, there aren't a lot of options for good looking 110bcd 
rings. I currently have my eye on a 42t salsa and a 48t sugino ring. I 
don't know much about em, but the willow chainrings look *really* sweet. 
What's the story on those? I'd love one for my roaduno, in the off-chance 
someone on the list has a 110bcd willow chainring in 42/43t or 47/48t in 
their parts bin. 

As I'm writing this, I'm realizing the stock chain will likely be too short 
once I get a bigger ring :\ 

-tio "one is all you need" ryan 

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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger Squeal

[Ryan Frahm]

Hey John! I used the duel compound on my Cliffhanger’s and had no squeal so 
I wouldn’t hesitate to use those again either,

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Thanks Bill. I'll throw some black compound in there and look forward to 
> the silence.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 8:44:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> For me, the answer was Kool Stop Black. For me, always try salmon first, 
>> but don't be scared to try something else next.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:29:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening,
>>>
>>> I seem to remember some discussion from a while back about how 
>>> Cliffhanger rims don't seem to play well with KoolStop salmon pads. It 
>>> seems the dual compound pads are preferred. Am I remembering this correctly?
>>>
>>> I've got a wheel set of Cliffhanger rims with un-machined sidewalls the 
>>> run between some Avid v-brakes with salmon pads. Despite clean rims and a 
>>> proper toe-in - perhaps too generous - the rims will often squeal like 
>>> banshees.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how the banshees might be vanquished (silver bullet? 
>>> stake through the heart? Avada Kedavra?) would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> I use the KoolStop smooth-post salmon pads with my Paul Neo-retros on my 
>>> Atlantis without issue, but these are with Dyad un-machined rims.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[tio ryan]

Didn't realize until placing my order (47.5 silver complete) that there 
weren't any 47.5 frames available. 

47.5 complete in silver was sold out immediately after I got my order in. 

-tio
On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 4:25:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> They appear to be moving, but it's not a total frenzy like some other 
> releases in the past.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 12:13:50 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> One 54.5 in Ana Purple complete ordered. I decided that I like the high 
>> flange hubs on the wheelset and the new crankset so I ordered a complete 
>> instead of a frameset.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>>> Color preference?
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>>> of the stock components?
>>>
>>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[tio ryan]

I blocked off 30 mins on my work calendar "*Busy, 3pm*". 

-tio "*you only need one*" ryan 


On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:39:50 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t think I’d have been upset if I’d had to get the  Purple one tho.
>
> The complete in that colour that Riv posted looks really nice, I think.
>
> Might just be because it’s my size!
>
> Good luck today anyone that’s going for one!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2024, at 6:36 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> I have thought I’d like all three color options - and I do. But dang that 
> silver kills.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 6:54 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>
> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
> endorse it.  
>
> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>
>> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Inspired Ibisu

[Ryan]

That is a lovely frame...very clean and understated. It's too bad it didn't 
fit. Wonder what the story is...confusion about how frame size is measured 
like @Max suggests? You would think for a custom frame , given some 
objective measurements like PBH, Ibisu should be able to nail the size 
exactly rather than selecting the optimum size from a couple of production 
sizes; the subject of many posts on this forum. 

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 8:05:37 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Sad. Ebisu are my faves. Was this by chance a mis-understanding of a C-C 
> vs. C-T type of measurement?.. 
>
> - Max "fishy gods" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 2:50:50 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Yikes, happy Mr. Imura is busy and grateful I had mine built five years 
>> ago. Dumb luck, too, I suppose as the E was delivered to me in Athens GA @ 
>> wait time about five weeks. I got similarly lucky once with a JB respray, 
>> as well. 
>>
>> So I quit while I was ahead. Altho I suppose we ought to learn ‘never say 
>> never’ right?
>>
>> JD
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:18 AM Ken Yokanovich  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heartbreaking, yes. I was so excited for my brother when he texted that 
>>> his new frame was supposed to arrive. We generally talk several times a 
>>> week and seldom about much more than bikes, bike parts, bike rides, and 
>>> bike projects. Yes, it's definitely a "First-World" problem, but I was 
>>> really upsetting to hear him so disappointed.
>>>
>>> Careful measurements of several most-comfortable reference bikes 
>>> including two different 58cm Rivendell Atlantis and a 54cm Rivendell Sam 
>>> Hillborne were supplied.I think the difference between expectation and 
>>> reality was a result of different philosophies in how a bike should fit.  I 
>>> don't think it's fair to dictate to a builder "this is how you should make 
>>> my bike." 
>>>
>>> I had a very similar experience years ago when I ordered a custom 
>>> Waterford touring frame.  At the time, almost every professional bike 
>>> fitter that I worked with said I should be on a 56 or *maybe* a 58cm 
>>> frame. When I worked with Grant on the order of my first custom, I was 
>>> floored by the idea that he was designing a 60cm frame for me. My Waterford 
>>> was beautiful and I tried to make it work for years before eventually 
>>> setting up a 61cm Atlantis.  
>>>
>>> Turn around time: it's been about 3 months since my brother shared the 
>>> news that he had ordered the Ebisu. He's a very humble guy (one of the many 
>>> things I love about him) and doesn't like to brag about acquisitions. So, 
>>> I'd imagine one could pad that time a bit depending.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Golly that's gorgeous and kind of heartbreaking, the thought of 
 ordering a custom Ebisu and it doesn't fit.  Were mistakes made on the 
 front end?  Ordering the wrong dimensions?  

 Since it was acquired recently, what was the turnaround time?  A year?  
 Less?  More?  I ride by the shop frequently and think about getting a 
 custom built...

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 2:56:00 PM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> Brand new un-ridden Ebisu all-purpose frame, fork, and custom front 
> rack $2,850 
>
> Chain slap guard, internal wiring for dynamo, fender mounts, and 
> accommodations for wide 700c tires.
> [image: Full Bike.jpg]
>
> *Size information:* Seat tube 56.5cm center-to-center, Top tube 56cm, 
> Standover height 82.5cm with a 700c x 44mm tire. 130mm rear spacing.
>
> The seller is my brother and avid Rivendell enthusiast / multiple 
> Rivendell bike owner.  In fact, I think that is why the bar is set so 
> high *(pardon 
> the pun)* and the reason behind the sale.  The newly ordered frame is 
> too small, particularly compared with the fit of his other bikes. I'd be 
> all about buying instead of sharing if we weren't almost identically 
> sized 
> :D
>
> More photos and details can be found in the Craigslist listing here:
> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/bik/d/
> stillwater-2024-ebisu-all-purpose-frame/7759855686.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[tio ryan]

Adam, it sounds like you may have been unsubscribed from the email list. I 
was too and had to sign up again with an alternate email address to receive 
them. 

The last two newsletters 

 
talk about the Roaduno.


On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 1:10:53 PM UTC-4 Adam in Indiana wrote:

> Was there an email or blog announcement for the Roaduno presale? I didn’t 
> even know it was starting this Thursday, but figured I had just missed the 
> email or accidentally deleted it.
>
> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 12:43:11 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bill Lindsay, are you basing the geo numbers on the Homer? Interesting 
>> that Riv are planning a pre sale in three days without any published photos 
>> of actual production frames/bikes/colors or geometry.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 10:34 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I 
>> rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike 
>> in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>>
>> I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the 
>> Reach, but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's 
>> short on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could 
>> run a 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem 
>> and low rise flat bars.  
>>
>> I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac 
>> will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of 
>> multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha 
>> ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.  
>>
>> One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the 
>> silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light 
>> grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of 
>> black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would 
>> be the only other color.  That could look really good.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>>> Color preference?
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>>> of the stock components?
>>>
>>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[tio ryan]

I am *very* much considering a 47.5 complete and I'm assuming that size 
will be a 650b wheel. Currently deciding between silver or mustard, but I 
wouldn't be mad at purple either. My first bmx bike as a kid was purple. I 
plan to run it single-speed, but take comfort in knowing it can easily 
transform into a 3x1 and I'm sure I'll give that a try sometime down the 
road. However, a single-speed Riv is what I desire the most since I don't 
really need gears on my daily commute and find them distracting when 
commuting with my platypus. 

I like that the completes will come with choco bars, as I don't have a set 
of those yet and they're the ideal swept back city-bar according to my good 
friend who rides them (I'm team albatross atm).

-tio "*where did I stash my spare blue lug shifter boss cover*" ryan 

On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 10:35:29 PM UTC-4 Adam in Indiana wrote:

> Strongly leaning toward one… Complete, probably mustard.
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 9:15:44 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ‍♂️
>>
>> Silver. Frame and fork.
>>
>> Build ready to go!
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>> Color preference?
>>
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[tio ryan]

Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:

I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and 
spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my 
taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw 
a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia" 
and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of 
smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience 
would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of 
rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a 
Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I 
never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere 
other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis. 

12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar 
situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back 
of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a 
helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my 
forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain 
my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TBI. Since then, 
I've purchased a few different helmets and I don't ride my bike without one 
on my head, plus quality lights & reflective gear at night. 

-tio "life without a sense of smell is pretty bleak" ryan

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on city 
> streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in 
> various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff, 
> anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15 
> and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half 
> hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some costing 
> upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to 
> riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and 
> position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get 
> headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy / 
> respect than before. 
>
> - Max "living on the edge" in A2 
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.
>>
>> The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while 
>> driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And then there's the 
>> home, slip & falls etc. A biking buddy of mine slipped on ice and hit his 
>> head, had to go to the hospital for a few days. No he wasn't wearing a 
>> helmet. Wasn't cycling either. So what am I supposed to do, put on a helmet 
>> when I get up in the morning? 
>>
>> I mix and match, and always wear it on group rides, which were the only 
>> occasions I've crashed over the years. 
>> To make matters more complicated, I seem to get more respect from, ah, 
>> rural traffic when I'm wearing a ball cap. Strictly anecdotal, of course. 
>>
>> cheers -m
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:28:40 AM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>>
>>> *TBI sorry all
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:27 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had a TBA as a result of a bike crash a number of years ago, and was 
>>>> wearing a helmet. Had I not been, I'd be dead. So, I wear a helmet every 
>>>> time. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:59:40 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to be 
>>>>> safe and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at the 
>>>>> wrong time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology 
>>>>> backing 
>>>>> up riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the mountain bike 
>>>>> and have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
>>>>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Purple potato indeed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qus2wiRUVBw>
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[tio ryan]

Taking the price into consideration, I've got a decision to make... 

tio "wombat-curious" ryan 
On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 7:37:46 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Correction understood; thanks.
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 3:32 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore translation services ACTIVATE.
>>
>> When Patrick Moore says: "Phil DOS FW in 17/19 and 20/22"
>> He means: "White Industries DOS ENO freewheel in 17/19 and 20/22"
>>
>> Patrick Moore translation services TERMINATE
>>
>> "I'd thought that these were no longer made"
>>
>> No, it's just the 16/19 that is no longer made.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 2:27:44 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I linked to the site and see that Riv still offers the Phil DOS FW in 
>>> 17/19 and 20/22: I'd thought that these were no longer made. Good to know 
>>> that they are still available, if quite expensive. Me, I keep an eye on 
>>> them for the future, but for now I'm good with a lifetime supply of 17/19 
>>> Dingle fixed cogs.
>>>
>>> As to $2400 + shipping for a complete Roaduno: that seems pretty 
>>> reasonable to me, given Grant's superlative designs and the quality (I 
>>> assume, judging from the Rivs I've owned). From a very casual Google 
>>> search: the single drop-barred single speed road bike I saw on the 
>>> Performance site is 1,600 and that's mass produced from aluminum with no 
>>> pedals and Joytech hubs.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 7:12 AM tio ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter!
>>>>  
>>>> [06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next 
>>>> <http://eepurl.com/iR2r6Q>]
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from 
>>>>> the email list. Assuming it's the mustard 
>>>>> <https://global.bluelug.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1a9dc928500ac84b4fd0d627a5fdfbb3/_/a/_a248989-6.jpg>
>>>>>  
>>>>> and silver 
>>>>> <https://global.bluelug.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1a9dc928500ac84b4fd0d627a5fdfbb3/a/2/a2407181_2.jpg>
>>>>>  
>>>>> from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
>>>>>> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, 
>>>>>> and Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the 
>>>>>> flexible who get whichever is available in their size; they all look 
>>>>>> good, 
>>>>>> and keep in mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is 
>>>>>> the most toned down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks 
>>>>>> fantastic once it's dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect 
>>>>>> everybody to like Purple, but if you could see it in person I'm sure we 
>>>>>> could convince everybody who's on or even near the fence to get one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Bags, Saddles, Parts, Handlebars, Wheelset

[ryan . trent . olson]

Forgot to mention that the A23’s are 130mm rear spacing.Silver shifters, monarchs and Shimano road brakes levers are gone. Btw, if you want to buy a few things, I’ll discount the price a bit if I’m able to ship multiple items in one shipment.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 15, 2024, at 2:06 PM, R Olson  wrote:Hi All,

I have some more items for sale from my much too large collection
of bike stuff.  List is in order as shown
in the album linked below.  Prices incldue shipping to the lower 48.

 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qUbJeSZpPWs9sJjx5

 

Brooks Cambium C17 Carved All Weather Saddle, Black, $80
shipped

Stella Anatomica saddle, $60 shipped

Swift Zeitgeist bag - Coyote brown, comes with the handlebar
mounting kit, $120 shipped

Swift pink half frame bag, Large, 20.25 inches long,  I think I used this for a month, it’s
basically new $80 shipped

Ortlieb rolltop rear panniers, grey, again, barely used,
great condition $120 shipped

Swift every day caddy, teal, never used, $35 shipped.

Ritchey handlebar, 44cm wide, $50 shipped

Sugino 172.5mm double crank with bolts and rings, $40
shipped

Silver 184mm crank with bolts and two rings, $100 shipped
(this is from my flirtation with longer cranks; if your curious, it’s no big
deal, maybe slightly better climbing, but these are in great condition – I probably
have a third ring or the chain protector thing if you want).

Nitto dirt drop stem, 100mm, $40 shipped

Shimano road brake levers, just pay for shipping to wherever
you are

Shimano Sora 9spd brake/shift levers, $40 shipped for the
pair

Shimano BR-R451 Mid Reach Caliper Brake, silver, $25 shipped

Charge spoon saddle, black, just pay for shipping to wherever
you are

Velo-Orange Grand Cru long setback two bolt seatpost, 27.2
diameter x 300 mm long, $40 shipped 

Surly 8-pack front rack, $55 shipped

Shimano BL-R3000 Sora Flat Bar Road Brake Levers, black, pay
for shipping (ideal with the Tektro brakes if you want both)

Tektro R559 brakes, black, $40 shipped

Sugino 175mm double crank with rings and bolts, $40 shipped

Silver 1 shifters with bar end pods, $20 shipped

Monarch pedals, silver, $50 shipped

Nitto Albatross handlebar, $70 shipped

Nitto Choco-moose handlebar, $180 shipped

Velo Orange Nouveau Randonneur Handlebars -  46cm x 31.8 Bar Clamp (Black), $45 shipped

Wheelset: 
Velocity A23, black, with Shimano RS-400 hubs, 36 F/R, 9 spd cassette, hand
built by Black Mountain Cycles, with 38mm Panaracer gravelking slicks with
plenty of tread left, these probably have less than 100 miles on them  $220 shipped



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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[tio ryan]

Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter!
 
[06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next 
<http://eepurl.com/iR2r6Q>]

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:

> Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the 
> email list. Assuming it's the mustard 
> <https://global.bluelug.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1a9dc928500ac84b4fd0d627a5fdfbb3/_/a/_a248989-6.jpg>
>  
> and silver 
> <https://global.bluelug.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1a9dc928500ac84b4fd0d627a5fdfbb3/a/2/a2407181_2.jpg>
>  
> from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 
>
> Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 
>
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
>> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
>> Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who 
>> get whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in 
>> mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned 
>> down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's 
>> dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, 
>> but if you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody 
>> who's on or even near the fence to get one.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 53cm Roadeo

[Ryan]

And I love that color...had my 2016 mixte painted the same color

Plus, if it fits and I was looking for a used bike I would not hesitate to 
buy one owned by Rich Lesnik.Hope Leah reads this thread!

On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 7:39:20 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:

> I have a 79 PBH and a 53 cm Roadeo, which has a fairly low seatpost, so 81 
> PBH should work great.  In fact, I wish I had more clearance between my 
> seat and the tire below, so a couple extra cm of would be great for not 
> worrying about the saddlebag rubbing the tire.
>
> Pictures of my Roadeo setup (10 yrs ago) are here: 
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/in/album-72157632686324800/
>
> Toshi
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 3:27 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Ryan - good research! My pbh is 83 and the 55 is perfect for me so I 
>> would guess a 53 would be great for her 81. 
>>
>> Joe - you are right. Good thinking. I don't love the albastache although 
>> I think on some bike, someday, it will be the right bar. I think drop bars 
>> with brifters are the easiest entry point into drop bar riding. For me, 
>> Soma Hwy 1 is the most comfortable drop bar. 
>>
>> Finding a beautiful, used Roadeo is one's size seems like hitting the 
>> jackpot. And obviously this one has a special pedigree, being from Rich and 
>> having such cool custom color details. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 3:30:47 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The dropbar setup is already on the Albastache cockpit, too. She could 
>>> start there then switch to drops, easy! 
>>>
>>> Joe "nudge nudge wink wink" Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 1:36:41 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>> With a different cockpit, I wonder if this would fill Leah's quest for 
>>>> a drop bar bike. My Roadeo rides like a dream. Per the website, the sizing 
>>>> of (PBH - 27) worked for me. The red anodizing is very striking. Very nice 
>>>> bike. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 1:56:07 PM UTC-6 ttoshi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rich kindly let me ride this Roadeo once and it is not only a 
>>>>> beautiful bike, but it also rides like a dream.  With the top of the 
>>>>> line, 
>>>>> color matched White Industries hubs and beautiful anodized A23 rims, the 
>>>>> bike is worth every penny (and more).  I'm happy for the lucky person who 
>>>>> gets to ride this bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> Toshi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 9:55 AM Rich Lesnik  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to let my Waterford-built Roadeo go, I'm afraid. With advancing 
>>>>>> age, it's just not comfortable any more! I'm putting a link to the web 
>>>>>> page 
>>>>>> describing the bike, with lots of photos. There are some significant 
>>>>>> changes to the cockpit, and a different rear derailleur. Otherwise, as 
>>>>>> pictured (no bag, saddle or pedals, though).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some features:
>>>>>> Ritchey Logic double crank, set up "wide-low" (48/38)
>>>>>> White Industries anodized red T11 hubs, Velocity A23 rims, also 
>>>>>> anodized red. Black spokes/nipples. 32 spokes front and rear
>>>>>> Albatross bars, with a Silver2 bar-end shifter for the rear. Simplex 
>>>>>> downtube shifter for front.
>>>>>> I also have an alternate cockpit: Albastache bar, Shimano brake 
>>>>>> levers, brown shellacked tape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking $2800.
>>>>>> Rich's 53cm Roadeo 
>>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/staff-bikes/richs-53cm-roadeo>
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 53cm Roadeo

[Ryan]

was wondering that myself @Valerie. It's 53cm and I searched posts on 
Leah's quest for a road bike and she gave 81 as a PBH...=54cmso I 
suppose it could work. It is a lovely bike and I love those red WI hubs

On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 3:36:41 PM UTC-5 Valerie Yates wrote:

> With a different cockpit, I wonder if this would fill Leah's quest for a 
> drop bar bike. My Roadeo rides like a dream. Per the website, the sizing of 
> (PBH - 27) worked for me. The red anodizing is very striking. Very nice 
> bike. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 1:56:07 PM UTC-6 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> Rich kindly let me ride this Roadeo once and it is not only a beautiful 
>> bike, but it also rides like a dream.  With the top of the line, color 
>> matched White Industries hubs and beautiful anodized A23 rims, the bike is 
>> worth every penny (and more).  I'm happy for the lucky person who gets to 
>> ride this bike.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 9:55 AM Rich Lesnik  wrote:
>>
>>> Time to let my Waterford-built Roadeo go, I'm afraid. With advancing 
>>> age, it's just not comfortable any more! I'm putting a link to the web page 
>>> describing the bike, with lots of photos. There are some significant 
>>> changes to the cockpit, and a different rear derailleur. Otherwise, as 
>>> pictured (no bag, saddle or pedals, though).
>>>
>>> Some features:
>>> Ritchey Logic double crank, set up "wide-low" (48/38)
>>> White Industries anodized red T11 hubs, Velocity A23 rims, also anodized 
>>> red. Black spokes/nipples. 32 spokes front and rear
>>> Albatross bars, with a Silver2 bar-end shifter for the rear. Simplex 
>>> downtube shifter for front.
>>> I also have an alternate cockpit: Albastache bar, Shimano brake levers, 
>>> brown shellacked tape.
>>>
>>> Asking $2800.
>>> Rich's 53cm Roadeo 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Repaired Susie and Intro post

[Ryan Ogilvie]

Love this! It assuages most of my concerns I have about a frame break on my Suz, too. Sent from my mobile device. On Jun 14, 2024, at 1:05 PM, Kainalu V.  -Brooklyn NY  wrote:Nice work. What’s going on on the other side chainstay/seatstay? Trailer hitch?-KaiOn Friday, June 14, 2024 at 11:34:08 AM UTC-4 James ODonnell wrote:





Introducing myself and my Susie W L that I picked up in the following state from a list member (original thread).





After aligning the fork and rear triangle, I did some practice brazes, hand mitered some tubes, chucked it all in a basic fixture and did my best to match the original geometry based on a chart Will @ Rivendell kindly shared with me. To my surprise I managed to produce a frame that rides straight and has held up to almost a year of riding. 



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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[tio ryan]

Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the 
email list. Assuming it's the mustard 
<https://global.bluelug.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1a9dc928500ac84b4fd0d627a5fdfbb3/_/a/_a248989-6.jpg>
 
and silver 
<https://global.bluelug.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1a9dc928500ac84b4fd0d627a5fdfbb3/a/2/a2407181_2.jpg>
 
from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 

Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 


On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
> Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get 
> whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in mind 
> that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned down 
> but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's dusty 
> and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, but if 
> you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody who's on or 
> even near the fence to get one.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[tio ryan]

That's a lovely setup, Bill! It's reassuring to know the 3x1 setup works 
well. 

After 6 months with my Platypus, I find myself lusting after a single-speed 
Riv for my daily commutes. I recently reached out to ensure I didn't miss 
the pre-sale for the Roaduno. I was informed the Roaduno pre-sale will be 
taking place two weeks from now, Jun 27th. Now I find myself wondering what 
colors will be offered :) 

Tio "99.9% getting one even if it's the same color as my Platypus" Ryan 

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:35:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have 
> the chance!
>
> Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
>  I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
> This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
> the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
> configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
> and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
> minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
> crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
> crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
> Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
> for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
> gear was welcome.  
>
> Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
> shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
> single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
> freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  
>
> I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
> after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
> peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
> to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
> 4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
> champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
> handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
> knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
> assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
> HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   
>
> Pics prove it:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
>> triple up front. "
>>
>> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
>> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
>> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
>> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
>> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
>> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
>> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
>> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
>> gear choosing.  
>>
>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
>> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
>> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
>> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
>> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
>>> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
>>> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
>>> a IGH.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the

Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

[ryan . trent . olson]

Wow, Ireland.  No, sorry, I don’t want to ship internationally.  It would probably cost more to ship it than the wheels themselves and it would take a really long time to get there.Thanks,RyanSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2024, at 4:41 AM, Nicholas A  wrote:Interested in the VO wheels if you would ship to Ireland?On Wednesday 12 June 2024 at 00:51:30 UTC+1 campyo...@me.com wrote:PM sent on the Crust wheels.
--Eric Norriscampyo...@me.comInsta: @CampyOnlyGuyYouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson <ryan.tre...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi All,I have some wheels and tires for sale:1     Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 130mm
rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd cassette, quick release levers and rim
tape included.  Hardly used, a few
hundred miles.  Here’s a link to the
crust webpage with more information:  https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets       Price: 
$200 plus shipping.Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with
tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, V-O Voyager rim
22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear hub and V-O front
hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, lightly used, again maybe a
few hundred miles.Webpage for Voyager rims:  https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657Webpage for V-O front hub:  https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089 Price:  $200 plus shipping.Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. Price: $50 plus shipping for both. Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode around the
block.  They weren’t what I was looking
for.  Pretty heavy FYI.Price: 
$40 plus shipping for both. Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7Paypal or Venmo will work.Thanks for looking, Ryan

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[RBW] Filson and BXB

[Ryan Mulcahy]

Hi, all, lowering the price of this BagsXBird Teardrop to $90, shipped 
USPS, and adding a Filson tin cloth briefcase. This is MUSA -- I'm not sure 
they are anymore -- and costs $395 new. Mine has a little bit of a normal 
wear but I haven't used it very much -- switched to mostly working from 
home -- and is in good shape. $225, shipped USPS

tires also still for sale: $35, .shipped USPS

Venmo or check. 

thanks for looking!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Ryan]

I did a fair bit of camping and self-supported touring in Manitoba with a 
small club in my mid-to-late 30sglad I had the experience because I 
never camped as a kid...including camping in some truly terrifying 
thunderstorms...maybe God protects children and fools...:( 

Later when I did 2-day rides for MS150 in my 60s I stayed in the motel then 
the very nice lakeside hotel in Gimli (Icelandic community) with absolutely 
no shame

I'm looking forward to hearing about your weekend...I'm sure you'll make a 
lot of new friends

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 7:02:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣
>
> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
> possible wind and heat issues...
>
>
> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>
> Have fun
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>> be much of a problem.
>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the Summer 
>> time.  More power to him.
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 
>>>
>>> I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
>>> drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
>>> my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of state 
>>> for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
>>> Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get me, 
>>> and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer college 
>>> physics study time. Yes, seriously.
>>>
>>> The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
>>> that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
>>> get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
>>> rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
>>> in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
>>> Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
>>> have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
>>> you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
>>> to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that you'd 
>>> be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
>>> Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
>>> since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make a 
>>> big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
>>> you'll be just fine out there with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
>>>> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
>>>> are 
>>>> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
>>>> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
>>>> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
>>>> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
>>>> know. 
>>>>
>>>> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
>>>> that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
>>>> wheels with the 42mm tires!
>>>>
>>>> Leah
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Ryan]

yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and take 
the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 miles is 
not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with possible wind 
and heat issues...

Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?

Have fun

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
> be much of a problem.
> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the Summer 
> time.  More power to him.
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 
>>
>> I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to drive 
>> me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking my 
>> preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of state 
>> for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
>> Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get me, 
>> and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer college 
>> physics study time. Yes, seriously.
>>
>> The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
>> that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
>> get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
>> rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
>> in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
>> Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
>> have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
>> you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
>> to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that you'd 
>> be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
>> Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
>> since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make a 
>> big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
>> you'll be just fine out there with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
>>> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are 
>>> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
>>> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
>>> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
>>> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>>>
>>> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
>>> know. 
>>>
>>> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
>>> that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
>>> wheels with the 42mm tires!
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Ryan]

Well said, Corwin!  My first 2 Rivendells were ordered with BB and HS 
installed and my late partner built up the rest of the bikes as he was a 
good mechanic. In 2016 when I ordered my mixte and his health was declining 
I ordered all the parts from Rivendell . Mark built the bike and Rich built 
the wheels. The labor was about 200 USD + 50 for fender installation, and , 
having watched videos of Mark at work, I think it was money 
well-spent...and I agree that Rivendell IS worth supporting. In late 2015 
when I ordered my bike, I think Riv was having some financial challenges at 
the time and I was more than happy to support them. Win/win.

I do understand the motivation to build your own bike but I myself 
certainly don't have the workshop or next-level skills of someone like Bill 
Lindsay...so it made sense to me to go all-in with Rivendell. Know thyself 
as others have said.

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 3:52:23 PM UTC-5 Corwin Zechar wrote:

> I have been paying $200 for (three) Riv Builds for more than fifteen years 
> now. I think $200 for a great build is an exceptional value. Could I do it 
> myself? Sure. But Riv doing the build saves me lots of time (and 
> aggravation, when I discover I need some small part, lube, tool, etc.) And 
> I never forget - the people at Riv all need to eat, go to the doctor, put a 
> roof over their heads, etc.
>
> Keeping good organizations in business is very important.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:34:23 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If you've got a shop that will charge you for a Tune Up, and then give 
>> you a full frame-up assembly, that's a nice deal to find.  $100 is about 
>> right for a Tune Up.  Do you think they are really going to get the build 
>> done in under 2 hours?  Or do you think you're getting a good discount on 
>> their time?  Rivendell's build-service that is more like a "Tune Up" is the 
>> $150 job they charge for completes.  Your shop's $100 vs Riv's $150 sounds 
>> like more of an Apples to Apples comp...  If your shop knows what they are 
>> getting into when they quoted you $100, then I'm guessing something about 
>> your particular situation has the shop thinking the build is going to be 
>> super quick.  Like maybe your frame set is used and not new, and so there's 
>> zero prep and thread chasing involved.  Or maybe the BB and headset are 
>> already in there and don't have to be touched.  Or the cockpit is in a 
>> single piece already and/or there is no handlebar tape to wrap.  You've 
>> already implied they won't be touching the wheels because you bought new 
>> handbuilt wheels which are presumably perfecto.  At any rate, I'll stick to 
>> calling BS to the assertion that Riv is charging $300 for exactly the same 
>> service that normal bike shops would do for $100 or less.  If it's a 3-4 
>> hour build, it should cost 3-4 hours worth of labor.  If it's a 90 minute 
>> build, then $100 should cover it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 3:08:17 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> My husband-and-wife run LIBS is building my one and only bike (a Homer) 
>>> from parts and charging me $100 for it, the price they charge for a full 
>>> tune-up. They also charge $60/hour for a la carte services, as you point 
>>> out. I am happy to recommend them to anyone in the Boston metro. They 
>>> tastefully rehab older steel frames with new[er] parts and sell them for 
>>> $200-$400; they only sell steel frame bikes and operate out of a used car 
>>> lot's garage. Their inventory is like 3 new Surlys and maybe an All-State 
>>> or two. The rest are rehabs and they are absolute professionals about 
>>> everything they do. Mine isn't the first Riv they've built from parts 
>>> either. Perhaps the bike shops around you are a bit less affordable or have 
>>> to charge more to account for higher overhead, etc.  
>>>
>>> I'm not saying that Riv is *gouging*, I'm stating facts that there are 
>>> more affordable places to buy the exact same parts and more affordable 
>>> shops to build a bike. That is no way a slight on Riv, it's  just facts. 
>>> That said, I'm glad they promote and make a great margin on those 
>>> good-cheap parts and builds because I'm grateful for what that has allowed 
>>> them to do for bicycling as a whole. I appreciate their bikes and ethos, or 
>>> else I wouldn't be on this forum. 
>>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 "Your LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 
 charge"

 I'm going to call BS on this.  I sincerely doubt that there is a bike 
 shop on earth, with a mechanic experienced-enough that I'd want them 
 building my bike, who would quote under $100 for a frame-up bike assembly, 
 when I've bought none of the parts from them and didn't buy the frame from 
 them.  It's a 3-4 hour job.  Any mechanic worth their salt is billing $1 a 
 minute for the 

[RBW] Re: Did the Atlantis ever come with 26” wheels in size 56-58?

[Ryan]

26" up to and including 56 cm according to Peter White; this is for the 
earlier iterations, not the newer MIT ones
https://peterwhitecycles.com/atlantis.php 

On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 7:29:59 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I’m looking for a frame to fit 26 x 2.0-2.2” wheels. Wondering if Riv made 
> the Atlantis in size 56-58cm spec’d with 559 wheels. Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: bags, bar, tires

[tio ryan]

PM sent for the pannier 

Long lost match for my existing ortlieb

-tio ryan in bk 

On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 1:34:05 PM UTC-4 rmulc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi, all, 
>
> Selling an Ortlieb carry-off pannier, a Bags X Bird "teardrop" -- similar 
> to the current Piccolo -- a set of 700X43 Gravel Kings; and a PNW "Coast" 
> handlebar, 44cm. The Ortlieb and the teardrop both well-used but still in 
> pretty good shape. I no longer have the plastic insert that came with the 
> BXB, but the bag is still totally functional. I had the bar mounted on a 
> Crust Bombora for about a month -- some tape/clamp residue/marks but in 
> good shape. The tires were mounted on my Homer for two months, but in the 
> winter so prob 300 miles. 
>
> thanks for looking!
>
> $120 for the BXB, shipped USPS
>
> $50 for the ortlieb, shipped USPS
>
> $25 for the bars, shipped USPS
>
> $40 for the tires, shipped USPS
>
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/vLwjJKuUMSTAm8W37
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] FS: bags, bar, tires

[Ryan Mulcahy]

Hi, all, 

Selling an Ortlieb carry-off pannier, a Bags X Bird "teardrop" -- similar 
to the current Piccolo -- a set of 700X43 Gravel Kings; and a PNW "Coast" 
handlebar, 44cm. The Ortlieb and the teardrop both well-used but still in 
pretty good shape. I no longer have the plastic insert that came with the 
BXB, but the bag is still totally functional. I had the bar mounted on a 
Crust Bombora for about a month -- some tape/clamp residue/marks but in 
good shape. The tires were mounted on my Homer for two months, but in the 
winter so prob 300 miles. 

thanks for looking!

$120 for the BXB, shipped USPS

$50 for the ortlieb, shipped USPS

$25 for the bars, shipped USPS

$40 for the tires, shipped USPS


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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Ryan]

Purple Haze! I think it's a  really fun build. Even though my personal 
aesthetic is a lot more restrained, I love Leah's bike builds. They're like 
art installations. 

Not to buzz-kill or anything, but I wonder how well anodizing/cerakoting 
finishes hold up, especially on high-wear areas such as pedals

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 9:44:28 PM UTC-5 MoVelo wrote:

> Lovely bike Leah. Makes me think of Tom Wolf's Electric Kool-Aid Acid 
> Test. 
>
> Psychedelics experience/experiments with powerful psychoactive substances 
> that alter perception and mood and affect numerous cognitive processes
>
> Sounds about right to me. Groovy baby!
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 10:43:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>>
>> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
>> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
>> to arrive.
>>
>> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
>> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>>
>> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
>> Little Platy. 
>>
>> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken 
>> on Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I 
>> put fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>>
>> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had 
>> rainbow hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the 
>> colors? I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I 
>> had my Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for 
>> grips, I found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil 
>> slick everywhere I could get it. 
>>
>> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>>
>> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
>> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
>> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
>> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
>> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
>> She understood the assignment. 
>>
>> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
>> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
>> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
>> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
>> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
>> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
>> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
>> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
>> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>>
>> Please find my video link below.
>> Leah
>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Giles Berthoud Aravis

[Ryan Frahm]

SOLD! Thanks all!

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 1:27:10 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Still available. 
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:20:07 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Bump. $275 +shipping
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:54:34 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> I splurged and bought this saddle after having some very good 
>>> experiences with the Aspen some years back. Unfortunately, it isn’t working 
>>> for me and the bike I am riding now. I put right at 100 miles in a few 
>>> rides and took it off. The cover is from RandiJo and is brand new.  I 
>>> waited for the cover before deciding to sell this. 
>>> Asking $290 +shipping. Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Ryan]

I know this has come up before regarding Rivs (or other artisinal bikes) 
and commuting butif you really want that Atlantis AND you can keep it 
secure during the workday go for it...or can you justify an n+1 and keep 
the Schwinn for commuting/errands...or can you live with/plan for 
(insurance rider) that said Atlantis could be stolen?

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 11:06:42 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> @Hoch -- A 3 mile "commute"?  That's what I've got and I might ride three 
> different bikes in a given week.. it's more about fenders and lights when 
> needed than the riding experience. What "riding experience?" As soon as it 
> starts, it's over, I don't even get warm on a cold day until I'm mostly 
> there. So literally any functioning bike will work, and a Homer is as much 
> overkill as an Atlantis would be.
>
> None of this is an indictment of using whatever bike one enjoys.
>
> @Brian T
> >> However, the current version of the Atlantis does not hold the same 
> appeal to me as those classic Rivs did. 
>
> What is an Atlantis? The modern version is  much closer to the Appaloosa 
> than it is to the original Atlantis. 
> I'm leery of meter-long chain stays, so I'd go the used route here, too. 
> But I have no actual experience to back it up. 
>
> However: if it's gonna be an Atlantis, I think we can all agree that it 
> MUST be Atlantis green. Accept no substitutes.
>
> I can't quote it but I believe that Grant has said at various times that 
> there's always going to be an Atlantis, and that it's always going to be 
> made in the U.S. -- and then things changed, and Waterford closed its 
> doors, and something had to give. Which is why we have the oddity of 
> Appaloosa and Atlantis being produced side-by-side in Taiwan.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 10:38:04 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Mostly everyone is responding with their  heart, which is expected. 
>>
>> Atlantis is a touring bike. Heavy duty frame, large tire clearance. 
>> Exceptional bike. I had two Hunqapillars, which I see as equivalent to the 
>> Atlantis. For touring and/or slower long distance rides, I’d say go for it. 
>>
>> For a 4 mile commute? Stick with your bike. I don’t know what the other 
>> person was talking about. There are plenty of parts to upgrade a vintage 
>> bike. Or if you really want a Riv, get. Homer, Sam, or another lighter duty 
>> bike meant for commuting. I think you’d enjoy it more. 
>>
>> I have a similar 3 mile commute. I rode my Hunq for a few months but 
>> eventually built up an old Fuji road bike. Then happened upon a Clem for a 
>> good deal which I rode for a few months. But as much as I wanted to ride it 
>> for the commutes, it was just too much bike. The old Fuji was better. 
>>
>> My current commuter is an unknown vintage MTB frame with 26x1.75 slicks. 
>> I honestly don’t miss my Riv’s on the commutes. Now, if a Homer were to pop 
>> up for a good deal……..
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 9:44:35 AM UTC-6 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
>>> and I'm okay with that!
>>>
>>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 
>>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, 
>>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I 
>>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>>>
>>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
>>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
>>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
>>> the itch to upgrade.
>>>
>>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it 
>>> on something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
>>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
>>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
>>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
>>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
>>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Max
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Ryan]

Nice!

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 6:52:49 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I can't believe it's finally here, I was young when this project started! 
> That is a fine and lovely bicycle, congrats to you and all the builders who 
> made it happen. 
>
> As Roberta said I'm very curious how it will feel compared to your 55 
> Platys. Tell us everything! 
>
> Joe "likes the My Little Pony bike" Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>>
>> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
>> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
>> to arrive.
>>
>> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
>> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>>
>> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
>> Little Platy. 
>>
>> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken 
>> on Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I 
>> put fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>>
>> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had 
>> rainbow hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the 
>> colors? I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I 
>> had my Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for 
>> grips, I found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil 
>> slick everywhere I could get it. 
>>
>> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>>
>> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
>> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
>> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
>> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
>> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
>> She understood the assignment. 
>>
>> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
>> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
>> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
>> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
>> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
>> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
>> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
>> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
>> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>>
>> Please find my video link below.
>> Leah
>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Platypus

[tio ryan]

Shocked this hasn't turned up yet (per the recent Riv post 
 on IG). This bike is *so* 
recognizable and the thief was on foot. Assuming they're local to Walnut 
Creek it's hard to imagine the bike won't be spotted or found in the 
classifieds soon.

-tio in bk 

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 12:34:58 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Bad news from RBWHQ: James’s Platypus was stolen. 
>
> If you’re in the SFBA, please keep a lookout for his 55cm.
>
> [image: 444747329_465228889517111_1830065835189920655_n.jpg]
>
> Rivendell Bicycle Works 略 on Instagram: "STOLEN‼️ An unmasked marauder 
> has made off with James's Platypus. If you live in the Bay Area, please 
> keep an eye out for it.  Tis a 55cm. #rivendellplatypus #rivbike" 
> 
> instagram.com 
> 
>
> [image: 444747329_465228889517111_1830065835189920655_n.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Giles Berthoud Aravis

[Ryan Frahm]

Still available. 
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:20:07 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Bump. $275 +shipping
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:54:34 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> I splurged and bought this saddle after having some very good experiences 
>> with the Aspen some years back. Unfortunately, it isn’t working for me and 
>> the bike I am riding now. I put right at 100 miles in a few rides and took 
>> it off. The cover is from RandiJo and is brand new.  I waited for the cover 
>> before deciding to sell this. 
>> Asking $290 +shipping. Thanks for looking!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Love to Ride: Commuter Challenge

[Ryan]

That's brilliant Leah! If anyone csn sell people on riding bikes for daily 
activities, it's you! Good on ya!

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 6:18:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> My love for my new home state is well-documented. After 18 years of desert 
> living, we moved to Michigan, where none of us Petersons had set foot prior 
> to the job interview. 
>
> I have finally found a biking community, right here in a state that has 
> winter. 
>
> Anyway, I got asked to be on a committee that would help launch a new 
> initiative to get more people on bikes. There is a lot of lovely new 
> infrastructure in downtown, and we are hoping to get people to use it to 
> get to work/events/dining/shopping. We are using the app Love to Ride, 
> which will allow people in the city and surrounding areas to sign up, join 
> the challenge and compete against other people for a 2 week challenge in 
> May. The city is eager to have the data that the heat maps will generate, 
> showing where people are riding and where they are not. Hopefully this 
> influences further infrastructure in the near future.
>
> Today there was a local news article, and one of the men I’m serving with 
> is pictured with his RIVENDELL. Paul’s brother John Sotherland built the 
> Rivendell frames at Waterford back in…whatever day that was. I almost never 
> saw other Rivs in the other places I’ve lived, but Michigan has plenty of 
> them.
>
> Here’s the article: 
> https://www.secondwavemedia.com/southwest-michigan/features/Kalamazoo-Commuter-Challenge-encourage-new-cyclists.051624.aspx
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ryan]

that's reassuring to hear

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:53:14 PM UTC-5 travis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Then there is this froth from the sometime racer who tried several TPU 
> tubes for Cuvling Weekly 
>
>
> "I was much less impressed by the ride quality of the thicker TPU tubes. 
> Though they still weigh less than butyl tubes, they don’t have the same 
> buoyant feeling of the lighter weight models. They changed the feel of the 
> bike completely; it felt like I was riding on cheap tires—or garden 
> hoses—instead of the high end tires I was testing. "
>
> Note that the heaviest tube he rode on weighed 110g and is for a 35-40mm 
> tire. But then he discerned inferior ride quality, too, from a 65g tube 
> compared to a 30z
>
> [image: pDvhismR5VitxpyD9aDPT8-1200-80.jpg]
>
> Can you trust TPU tubes in a pinch? Best TPU tubes ridden and reviewed 2024 
> 
> cyclingweekly.com 
> 
>
> 
>
>
> --
> Harry P Travis
> Portland Oregon USA 
> 17.4.1
>
> On May 16, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>
> Final update from me. Rene Herse has been very good about it and is 
> refunding me for the tubes that had the valve stem attachments fail.
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Ryan]

Wow...that's some build...love that chainring attachment for your basket. 
Really creative! Did you do that yourself or is that something you bought?  
Anyway, nice bike and that color kind of grows on you

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 4:48:28 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:

> I thoroughly enjoyed this write-up. I can tell you've put in a lot of 
> thought to this bike, and it's beautiful.
> Your approach to this build as a performance upright bicycle and your 
> subsequent revelations as to the comfort mirror my own on my new, purple 
> Appaloosa. I have the same bars too, but slightly wider tyres! All I need 
> is some bar tape and to mount my shifters upside down like yours for those 
> secondary hand positions to really be dialled.
> Hope you have many more adventures to come.
>
> PS: I was told the Quills couldn't handle 48s (I have them on my 
> singlespeed). Are you running yours tubeless?
>
>
> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:26:44 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
>> 
>>  
>> *
>>
>> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
>> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
>> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
>> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks 
>> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>>
>> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
>> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable 
>> hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with 
>> Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike 
>> pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever 
>> brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test. 
>> Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.
>>
>> Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity 
>> Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all 
>> polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will 
>> likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire choice, setup 
>> tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding fast, 
>> especially on dirt. 
>>
>> Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight road 
>> triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
>> self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
>> hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge Bottom 
>> bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set screws 
>> to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD pedals 
>> for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
>> cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
>> roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front derailleur. KMC 
>> 10-speed X10SL with the gold treatment, because, gold! This all shifts 
>> *wonderfully.*
>>
>> Accessories include Nitto F32 front rack with Tanaka stainless steel 
>> basket held by Voile mini straps, Nitto 32r rear rack with cygolite rear 
>> light mount. Front rack features upcycled 28t chainring for my cygolite 
>> go-pro mount (blue lug style) and M6 brass set screws to fill the unused 
>> braze-ons. Blue Lug yellow X-Strap bungee cords front and rear, with the x2 
>> rainbow Rivendell straps laced through the basket to handle any odd things 
>> to carry on the fly. Beautiful Nitto R bottle cage on top, with ultra rare 
>> matching Nitto BG-L 1-liter bottle cage on the bottom. Greenfield kickstand 
>> wrapped with newbaums purple. Purple Blue Lug Koma lights front and rear at 
>> the drop-outs for when I forget to bring my nicer lights. Newbaums wrap on 
>> top tube for convenient handle grip when carrying up/down stairs to the 
>> train. Blue lug style newbaums chainstay guard. Hemp twine features 
>> everywhere. Lastly, any unused braze-ons are populated with M5 brass set 
>> screws, including the backside of the utilized hourglass mounts 
>>
>> Security includes hexlox axles, with the same keyed inserts for the 
>> seatpost clamp, stem, and saddle. GPS sticker for theft deterrent. Hidden 
>> air tag. Serial number registered in two bike indexes. I purchased a 
>> Kryptonite mini New York u-lock off ebay ($60 new!). It is absurd and 
>> confidence inspiring. Makes my evolution mini u-lock look like a joke. 
>>
>> One bit I forgot to mention. The inner position of the lower rear right 
>> rack mount are positioned perfectly for a chain holder, as 80's touring 
>> bikes used to have. An Acetal bushing with delrin washers result in not 
>> just a chain holder, but the ability to backpedal and lube the chain 

[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[tio ryan]

that's rad, wish my platypus had shifter bosses! 

-tio ryan 

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:18:39 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Confirmation that it has shifter bosses, not housing stops like on Riv's 
> website. Also, confirmation of the color matching Riv's website better than 
> the Blue Lug photos. 
>
> [image: PXL_20240514_231117156.jpg]
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 2:20:07 PM UTC-6 Aaron Wilson wrote:
>
>> Good catch. Not a lot of other sources for photos yet, but this Instagram 
>> post seems to have the ones from Riv's site. 
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C66GqP7OwjN/?img_index=1 
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-6 jdura...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about the DT shifter bosses.  Different on the Blue Lug vs 
>>> the Riv photos.
>>> Maybe I missed something in one of Will's emails?  Either way, beautiful 
>>> frames.
>>> Jim
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:08:57 PM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Tio Ryan. 
>>>>
>>>> Of note, my green Susie just shipped. Exciting. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-6 tio ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a sergio green platypus and the color is much more like the riv 
>>>>> pics than the blue lug image — the tan sidewalls on the wtb tires looks 
>>>>> off 
>>>>> as well. 
>>>>>
>>>>> rest assured, sergio green is a lovely color in person (imo) 
>>>>>
>>>>> -tio in bk 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly 
>>>>>> different. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
>>>>>>> indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like 
>>>>>>>> some pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks 
>>>>>>>> substantially different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish 
>>>>>>>> I'd 
>>>>>>>> ordered an orange...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Labyrinth Pictures

[Ryan]

Nice shot of a Roaduno in the wild...where did you take these pictures? CA?

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 2:32:46 PM UTC-5 turmoili...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Greetings to all* 
> One of my favorite things to do when I'm out and about is photograph other 
> peoples bikes
> hopefully this works!
> -rafael 
>
> [image: IMG_1126.JPEG]
> [image: IMG_8394.JPEG]
> [image: IMG_9051.JPEG]
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 50 cm Roadini

[Ryan]

I'm sure we'll all try and keep our eyes peeled :) 

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 7:23:01 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I am looking to try out a RivRoad bike and specifically, a 50 cm Roadini. 
> I’ve been looking on my own, but no luck so far. I’d like one with drop 
> bars, so I wouldn’t have to swap out the whole setup, as this likely isn’t 
> a forever bike…it’s an experiment. But we’ll see. 
>
> If you have one for sale, or if you see one for sale, would you help your 
> RivSister out and tell me? 
>
> Thanks always!
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[Ryan]

"Amelia" looks great!

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 7:55:55 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I'm loving all of these Homer photos. I've owned 5 Riv's and currently 
> have 3 in the rotation. The Homer is a favorite for me. I'm already 
> planning a change to mine. I'm going to change the shifters from down tube 
> to Campy brifters shifting to Shimano 8 speed a-la Ronnie Romance. I'll 
> provide updates as I make the change over. 
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Dear JT,
>> I'll submit my own 57 cm Homer, which was restored and modified by 
>> (former?) a list member. I purchased it in 2015 from him shortly after he 
>> completed his restoration because he was looking for an Atlantis by then. I 
>> fell in love with it then and still think it is my favorite bike.
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 10:36:15 PM UTC-4 jtlu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I always enjoy seeing pictures of everyone's various Rivendell's, so I 
>>> figured why not start a photo thread of Homers (since that is my only Riv). 
>>> I've included a photo from my first ride on my Homer back in 2022 (with 
>>> Albatross bars) and a photo in its most recent configuration with drop 
>>> bars. 
>>>
>>> [image: Homer 1.jpg][image: Homer 2.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Ryan]

Sounds like a smarter idea...then buyer can configure the frame as desired 
and parting out can maybe recover more of your costs...good luck with the 
sale!

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:08:56 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Frameset with headset, BB and Nitto post, $3k plus shipping. 
>
> I can use the fancy wheels on my Clem and part out some stuff, plus a 
> frame is much easier to pack than a complete bike with Boscos. Would rather 
> not! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:05:13 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Just so's y'all know, I rode the motorbikes for decades. I got a 
>> refresher course and decided to give it another whirl. It will be a used 
>> bike, maybe a Harley Sportster, this is HOG country up here. The point of 
>> the thread is to sell a bicycle! 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-7 Mark R. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Motorcycles are addicting. I’ve been riding street since 1989 to get 
>>> around town, it was safer to commute at night than
>>> my bicycle.  My opinion is to buy a used smaller bike, see how it feels, 
>>> before you sink money into it
>>>
>>> I got rid of one bike because it was too slow and loud. The next because 
>>> it was too tall and I had trouble reaching the
>>> ground at lights. Then I found the Perfect fit for me and put 40k miles 
>>> on that Moto.
>>> As it stands , I hardly ever use my car (about 2k miles since 2019) . I 
>>> put 22k one bike and 2k on another till last year.
>>> This year I’m on track to 10k, this bike is new and fresh with all the 
>>> latest safety features. 
>>> Mark R
>>> SDCA 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[tio ryan]

I have a sergio green platypus and the color is much more like the riv pics 
than the blue lug image — the tan sidewalls on the wtb tires looks off as 
well. 

rest assured, sergio green is a lovely color in person (imo) 

-tio in bk 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly 
> different. 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
>> indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
>>> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
>>> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
>>> orange...
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[tio ryan]

I was able to squeeze extra chunky ESI grips over the bar end shifter/cable 
on my albas, but I didn't love those grips (slippery and not durable). 

I didn't notch the grip to provide a channel for the cable, and as nitpicky 
as I can be, I really didn't find it to be an annoyance.



my suggestion would be to use plenty of alcohol on the inside of the grip 
when installing :) 

-tio in bk 
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
> grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example: 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386
>
> I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
> -Wes
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Ryan]

Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> $5k + shipping 
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take new 
>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Giles Berthoud Aravis

[Ryan Frahm]

Bump. $275 +shipping

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:54:34 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I splurged and bought this saddle after having some very good experiences 
> with the Aspen some years back. Unfortunately, it isn’t working for me and 
> the bike I am riding now. I put right at 100 miles in a few rides and took 
> it off. The cover is from RandiJo and is brand new.  I waited for the cover 
> before deciding to sell this. 
> Asking $290 +shipping. Thanks for looking!
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Ryan Bolesta]

Hi David,

I am 6'1 with a 91cm PBH and ride a 60cm Sam from the most recent batch 
from 2022.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the size, but can't help but think about how 
I'd feel in the 57cm. I've never felt "uncomfortable" on the bike, it's 
definitely the comfiest bike I've ever owned, but it does feel a little bit 
too big at times.

The two handlebar configurations I've had:

*Albatross with a 100mm stem:* This felt really good with my hands on the 
grips, but I always felt way too stretched out when using the hooks on the 
front of the bar. I probably could have swapped to a shorter stem if I was 
still using this configuration.

*Nitto M137 (Drop Bar) with a 60mm stem*: This is my current setup, and 
while it isn't bad, it isn't the most ideal either. I switched to drops as 
I started doing more off-road descents in the area and wanted more hand 
positions with access to the brake levers. I find it uncomfortable when 
having my hands in the drops or hoods for any extended period of time. I'm 
typically resting my hands right before the hoods (the "ramps" or "corners" 
is maybe what this means in drop-bar speak) or on the tops next to the 
stem.  I've also done a little bit of finagling to shift the hoods closer 
to my hands at the expense of having the brake levers a bit further away 
from my hands when in the drops.

I don't think either setup was bad, just not ideal. The drop bar setup I 
currently have has been used on several loaded bikepacking trips, and 
countless 20-60 mile gravel rides in Colorado with huge elevation changes, 
and I've never once felt like I was in significant pain from the bike 
(other than my Brooks B17, which I feel hopeless in breaking it in), which 
makes me think that I can fix some of these issues with minor adjustments 
or a different drop bar. 

I can't offer any perspectives on the 57cm Sam, since I've never ridden 
one. Also, the two bars I've ran are not as swept back as other Riv 
offerings. I think there are plenty of bar/stem combos I've yet to try 
which would be perfect for my frame size. Overall I love the bike, and love 
the versatility. I originally built the bike to be my commuter and 
all-rounder, and have since transitioned it into a more-than-capable gravel 
bike (that I tend to underbike into some chunkier singletrack by accident 
at times) with a simple bar swap and adding wider knobbier tires. 

When you rode the 61.5 Homer with the Billie bars, did you try other hand 
positions than the grips?

Hope this helps!

Ryan
Boulder, CO



On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:06:45 AM UTC-6 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size

Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Ryan]

CAD because my settings were in CAD...still $2800 in USDsorry

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 7:12:08 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> maybe they're offering a lugged Roadini to reduce the demand for lugged 
> MN-built Roadeos with their long wait times? And offer another alternative 
> to said long(2 years) wait times. Which are now quoted at $3886 CAD; all 
> models are quoted in CAD interestingly enough
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:46:30 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my 
>> Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so 
>> long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it 
>> comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten 
>> years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers 
>> crossed.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early 
>> Roadeos??  /wishful thinking
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:31:24 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The 
>>> tig welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not 
>>> what I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I 
>>> feel that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
>>> explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
>>> Homer (lugged :).
>>>
>>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
>>>> see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
>>>> right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
>>>> for what I was trying to do. 
>>>>
>>>> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
>>>> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
>>>> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
>>>> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
>>>> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
>>>>> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
>>>>> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
>>>>> bought 
>>>>> your Charlie? 
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>>>>> Leah
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
>>>>> with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack 
>>>>> on 
>>>>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>>>>> that's why this reviewer 
>>>>> <https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-charlie-h-gallop/>
>>>>>  
>>>>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>>>>> on it. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my 
>>>>> tail light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for 
>>>>> unloaded 
>>>>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>>>>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>>>>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>>>>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>>>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
>>>>>> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> the Roadini it b

Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Ryan]

maybe they're offering a lugged Roadini to reduce the demand for lugged 
MN-built Roadeos with their long wait times? And offer another alternative 
to said long(2 years) wait times. Which are now quoted at $3886 CAD; all 
models are quoted in CAD interestingly enough

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:46:30 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my 
> Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so 
> long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it 
> comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten 
> years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers 
> crossed.
>
> Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early 
> Roadeos??  /wishful thinking
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:31:24 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>
>> I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The 
>> tig welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not 
>> what I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I 
>> feel that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
>> explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
>> Homer (lugged :).
>>
>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
>>> see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
>>> right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
>>> for what I was trying to do. 
>>>
>>> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
>>> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
>>> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
>>> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
>>> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
 bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
 ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
 bought 
 your Charlie? 

 I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
 Leah

 On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:

 I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
 with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
 nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
 it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
 that's why this reviewer 
 
  
 complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
 on it. 


 When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
 light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
 riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
 riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
 its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
 without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case 
> of 
> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will 
>> order one once they become available. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
>>> July or something. Like, during riding season!"
>>>
>>> I concede that this would be better!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
 July or something. Like, during riding season!

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, 
>
> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
> birthday) 
> is the CHG will 

[RBW] Re: FS: Fabs Chest small waxed cordura, OG Swift Zeitgeist Expedition

[Ryan Frahm]

Both bags are sold. Thank you!

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Correction, the Swift Zeitgeist is sold, the Fabs Cheat is still 
> available. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:26:08 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Fabs Chest Sold! Thank you!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great bag that hasn’t seen much use. I used it on a couple 
>>> trips and some around town commuting but prefer my basket. It will include 
>>> the Pec Deck with uncut struts. Bag shows use but is still in fantastic 
>>> shape!
>>> Asking $215 +shipping
>>>
>>> The Swift Zeitgeist is an original that was custom ordered with the 
>>> green body and steel blue flap and side pockets. Great bag but I just don’t 
>>> use it and want to clear out some space. It has the original leather straps 
>>> to attach it but the dowel went missing at some point. 
>>> Asking $100 +shipping. 
>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabs Chest small waxed cordura, OG Swift Zeitgeist Expedition

[Ryan Frahm]

Correction, the Swift Zeitgeist is sold, the Fabs Cheat is still available. 

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:26:08 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Fabs Chest Sold! Thank you!
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> This is a great bag that hasn’t seen much use. I used it on a couple 
>> trips and some around town commuting but prefer my basket. It will include 
>> the Pec Deck with uncut struts. Bag shows use but is still in fantastic 
>> shape!
>> Asking $215 +shipping
>>
>> The Swift Zeitgeist is an original that was custom ordered with the green 
>> body and steel blue flap and side pockets. Great bag but I just don’t use 
>> it and want to clear out some space. It has the original leather straps to 
>> attach it but the dowel went missing at some point. 
>> Asking $100 +shipping. 
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabs Chest small waxed cordura, OG Swift Zeitgeist Expedition

[Ryan Frahm]

Fabs Chest Sold! Thank you!

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> This is a great bag that hasn’t seen much use. I used it on a couple trips 
> and some around town commuting but prefer my basket. It will include the 
> Pec Deck with uncut struts. Bag shows use but is still in fantastic shape!
> Asking $215 +shipping
>
> The Swift Zeitgeist is an original that was custom ordered with the green 
> body and steel blue flap and side pockets. Great bag but I just don’t use 
> it and want to clear out some space. It has the original leather straps to 
> attach it but the dowel went missing at some point. 
> Asking $100 +shipping. 
> Thanks for looking!
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Re: [RBW] FS: parts clear out (wheel sets, bags, stems, brakes...)

[Ryan Ogilvie]

HI Logan, I'll take the face platter stem. If I'm first in line, let me
know payment, etc. Might send you a fedex label for shipping if that works
for you?

Cheers,
Ryan

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:44 PM Logan Eiland  wrote:

> Hi all. To make an upcoming move easier, I'm hoping to clear out all parts
> and accessories not currently in use. Open to offers especially if bundling
> multiple items. Prices do not include shipping from zip code 48103.
>
> Link to photos
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/199878034@N06/albums/72177720316534472/>
>
>1. 700c Velocity A23 singlespeed wheelset, White Industries 18t
>freewheel, & Ultradynamico 700x42 Cava tires. Bought all this new. Wheels,
>freewheel, and tires ridden under 1 mile. $450.
>2. 650b Velocity Dyad wheelset, Deore hubs, Col de la Vie tires. In
>great shape. Ridden fewer than 5 miles. $275.
>3. Set of Velo Orange wing nuts. $35.
>4. Velo Orange 1x crankset, 40t chainring, 165mm crank arm length. $90.
>5. Rivendell Baggins handlebar bag. $35.
>6. One pair of blue Swift Industries panniers. Never used. Small
>grease marks on the front of one bag. No stains or signs of use on the
>inside. $120.
>7. Acorn rando bag. $80.
>8. Brooks saddle with brass rivets and silver rails. $75.
>9. Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddle. $165.
>10. Black Sim Works bar end plugs. $15.
>11. MKS Sylvan Gordito pedals. $35.
>12. Bruce Gordon stem. $65.
>13. Ritchey Force stem. $30.
>14. Nitto faceplater stem. $65.
>15. Shimano SL-BS77 bar end shifters. Never used, still in the box.
>$90.
>16. Busch-muller IQ-XS front dynamo light. $80.
>17. Nitto NR21 rear rack. $90.
>18. Salsa Casseroll canti mount front rack. $65.
>19. Ocean Air Cycles x Nitto Erlen rear rack. $80.
>20. Dia Compe long reach center pull brakes. Unused. $80.
>21. Gran Compe center pull brakes. Unused. $110.
>22. Shimano Deore 9s rear derailleur. $25.
>23. Dia Compe BRS 100 short reach brakes. $30.
>24. Shimano V-brakes. bolts missing. free with purchase of anything
>else.
>25. TRP CX 8.4 V-brakes. $55.
>26. S-Ride 11s rear derailleur. $10.
>27. Hsin Lung stem and mustache bar (from 1993 Bridgestone XO-3). $40.
>28. Velo Orange Randonneur handlebar. $15.
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[Ryan]

Wow Brady; that sounds like a pretty snappy 200k to me hope your dad 
continues to do well...and you get to thank your good samaritan in person. 
Also happy trails on that London to Edinburgh ride!

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:56:23 PM UTC-5 Mack Penner wrote:

> Super write-up, Brady! I rode a 200 last month in a bigger group than I'd 
> ridden with in the past (2 instead of 1, ha!) and likewise found myself 
> pushing when I thought it was un-wise but hanging on nevertheless, building 
> confidence along the way. 
> Best of luck with the buildup to LEL!
> Mack in Alberta 
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 11:01:38 AM UTC-6 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time. 
>>
>> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with 
>> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last 
>> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day 
>> unbearably, miserably difficult. 
>>
>> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and 
>> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant, 
>> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe 
>> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the 
>> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado. 
>>
>> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no 
>> small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling 
>> has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the 
>> leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how 
>> quickly one can go from able to not-so-able. 
>>
>> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days 
>> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever 
>> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always 
>> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for 
>> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar 
>> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the 
>> spring. 
>>
>> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for 
>> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider, 
>> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15 
>> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall 
>> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in 
>> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark. 
>>
>> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k 
>> a day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a 
>> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with 
>> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never 
>> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and 
>> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed, 
>> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running 
>> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings, 
>> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging 
>> along next to a pacer bot. 
>>
>> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides 
>> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than 
>> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few 
>> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity 
>> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that 
>> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in 
>> a friends' apartment in NYC. 
>>
>> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a 
>> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my 
>> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer." 
>>
>> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight 
>> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind 
>> at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much 
>> more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that 
>> I'd drop back after we headed out to make sure I didn't blow up later in 
>> the ride. 
>>
>> When push came to shove, though, I kept on going. The second quarter of 
>> the ride was hilly and windy, and I started to feel a bit queasy as I 
>> worked through a big section of rollers that led up to lunch. 
>>
>> At lunch, I mentally resolved to drop back and save myself the misery 
>> that I figured was out ahead, but after eating and getting back on the 
>> road, I couldn't bring myself to do it. I spent fifteen miles yo-yoing off 
>> the back of the group, watching my 

[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Ryan]

Oh...a 3-speed Romulus!

That RoadeoRosa just looks right...Doug is absolutely right. I'm waiting to 
read about Bill's next brevet on that Roadeo; I suspect that bike rides 
like a dream.

I hate to betray my ignorance, but what are those flowers? Pansies? Great 
shots.

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:52:31 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Agreed Joe. Bill is a good man. And, what a fleet of bikes! I love the 
> look of drop bars on a road bike. To my older eyes they just look 
> appropriate. I say that as I'm converting my recently acquired Roadini to 
> an Albatross bar. 
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 7:10:34 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Not only Leah likes those folders, Bill. Sweet!
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:52:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Well that's just adorable. I mean this absolutely sincerely, you're a 
>>> good man Bill Lindsay. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:13:33 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are the absolute best. You made a Ding Ding album? You broke your 
>>>> own rules and rode your Romulus! You posed a pink road bike against a 
>>>> floral backdrop? Hearts are coming out of my eyes. 
>>>> Leah
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:45:09 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on 
>>>>> its first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  I 
>>>>> was especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet 
>>>>> ILE 
>>>>> porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result in 
>>>>> her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
>>>>> dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This is 
>>>>> my 
>>>>> new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  
>>>>> Included 
>>>>> is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my Sunday 
>>>>> 100k.  
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Ryan]

Not only Leah likes those folders, Bill. Sweet!

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:52:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well that's just adorable. I mean this absolutely sincerely, you're a good 
> man Bill Lindsay. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:13:33 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> You are the absolute best. You made a Ding Ding album? You broke your own 
>> rules and rode your Romulus! You posed a pink road bike against a floral 
>> backdrop? Hearts are coming out of my eyes. 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:45:09 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on its 
>>> first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  I was 
>>> especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet ILE 
>>> porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result in 
>>> her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
>>> dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This is my 
>>> new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  Included 
>>> is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my Sunday 
>>> 100k.  
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

Worth a shot Leah! Do let us know how it works out

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should have 
> a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
>> Here's the geometry: 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>
>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>>
>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>
>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
 depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
 (shipped 
 or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
 there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
 collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
 it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?

 Best winds!
 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>> what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>> before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>> out 
>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>> rate 
>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>> agreed 
>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>> I’m 
>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

@Sally...custom Erickson...that's a nice find, too!

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 9:20:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> I think Bill's onto something. I've never owned a Trek, but I did (still 
> have it, in fact) own a T600 or 700 Cannondale I bought in 1988 for the 
> ridiculously low price of ~$600 CAD. It was a bit of an oddball with 271/4 
> wheel size instead of 700c and came with a very decent component spec; 
> Deore derailleurs and triple crank , 600 hubs and brakes, nitto,TTT 
> bars...really a  very  nice  bike. Maybe because it was red...but great 
> touring bike (yes,  we do have some hills in Manitoba) and really fun 
> unloaded...kind of a sport-touring vibe. In fact, for most road riding; I 
> found it way more comfortable than my Rossin. I gave it to my late partner, 
> who put moustache bars on it...and BTW if drops don't float your boat , you 
> might like moustache/albastache bars. 
>
> $325 is a small price to pay for an experiment. I do rather like that 
> color. I know Trek is like the evil empire, but man, they did make some 
> nice bikes in the 80s and 90s. OTOH...if Bill is willing to spend time with 
> you to help you find something, you should definitely take him up on it 
> because he knows what he's talking about. 
>
> Next priority is you'll have to build an extension on your garage to keep 
> the fleet safe and dry :)
>
> BTW...can't wait to see the purple platy once you have it all built up.
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that 
>> could hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to 
>> act as a  test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build concept. 
>>  This is the kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html
>>
>> I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and 
>> would ride the 58 in that model.  
>>
>> BL
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of 
>>> you being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with 
>>> Riv; I can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this 
>>> Michigan connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of 
>>> say-so in the build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post 
>>> it on the List. Very gratifying, indeed.
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
>>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
>>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
>>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
>>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
>>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
>>> randonneuse.  
>>>
>>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
>>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
>>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>>>
>>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
>>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
>>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
>>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
>>> personal shopper.  :)
>>>
>>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
>>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
>>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
>>> then you'll have both!  
>>>
>>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

I think Bill's onto something. I've never owned a Trek, but I did (still 
have it, in fact) own a T600 or 700 Cannondale I bought in 1988 for the 
ridiculously low price of ~$600 CAD. It was a bit of an oddball with 271/4 
wheel size instead of 700c and came with a very decent component spec; 
Deore derailleurs and triple crank , 600 hubs and brakes, nitto,TTT 
bars...really a  very  nice  bike. Maybe because it was red...but great 
touring bike (yes,  we do have some hills in Manitoba) and really fun 
unloaded...kind of a sport-touring vibe. In fact, for most road riding; I 
found it way more comfortable than my Rossin. I gave it to my late partner, 
who put moustache bars on it...and BTW if drops don't float your boat , you 
might like moustache/albastache bars. 

$325 is a small price to pay for an experiment. I do rather like that 
color. I know Trek is like the evil empire, but man, they did make some 
nice bikes in the 80s and 90s. OTOH...if Bill is willing to spend time with 
you to help you find something, you should definitely take him up on it 
because he knows what he's talking about. 

Next priority is you'll have to build an extension on your garage to keep 
the fleet safe and dry :)

BTW...can't wait to see the purple platy once you have it all built up.

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that 
> could hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to 
> act as a  test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build concept. 
>  This is the kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html
>
> I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and 
> would ride the 58 in that model.  
>
> BL
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of 
>> you being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with 
>> Riv; I can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this 
>> Michigan connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of 
>> say-so in the build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post 
>> it on the List. Very gratifying, indeed.
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
>> randonneuse.  
>>
>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>>
>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
>> personal shopper.  :)
>>
>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
>> then you'll have both!  
>>
>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

Sorry @George, I did not mean to come off as rude. The 81 PBH detail just 
stood out because I seem to recall Leah is around my own height of 
5'6''-5'7'' ...but vastly younger (I'm 71) and vastly fitter , of course. 
So I had to go to my own Riv stud books to see what my PBH was...shortish 
torso, longer legs and see why Grant put me on a 56 frame. The Rossin for 
comparison was 53 or 54 and my allrounder was 54. GP would size up for a 
road frame, as I recall

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:18:33 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Actually, what I was more interested in was her stand over height (SOH).  
> Riding a regular road frame bike would require whether or not one could 
> "stand over" the bike's top tube without discomfort.  Riv gives the 
> specifics for various past models for this measurement.
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:12:07 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged 
>> ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> 81 PBH was mentioned
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and 
>>>> you won't go wrong!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Leah
>>>>>
>>>>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
>>>>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  
>>>>> After 
>>>>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
>>>>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
>>>>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
>>>>> randonneuse.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
>>>>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The 
>>>>> newer 
>>>>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>>>>>
>>>>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
>>>>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be 
>>>>> had 
>>>>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
>>>>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
>>>>> personal shopper.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
>>>>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
>>>>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
>>>>> then you'll have both!  
>>>>>
>>>>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>>>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>>>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>>>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>>>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>>>>> ideal. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>>>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>>>>>> what 
>>>>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>>>>>> before. 
>>>>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>>>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>>>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>>>>>> out 
>>>>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>>>>>> rate 
>>>>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>>>>>> agreed 
>>>>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>>>>>> I’m 
>>>>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

81 PBH was mentioned

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and you 
> won't go wrong!
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
>> randonneuse.  
>>
>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>>
>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
>> personal shopper.  :)
>>
>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
>> then you'll have both!  
>>
>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and you 
won't go wrong!

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, 
> and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
> randonneuse.  
>
> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>
> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
> personal shopper.  :)
>
> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
> then you'll have both!  
>
> Do let me know if you want more advice
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

Would be ideal if you could find a Roadini in your size and try it outI 
think it is a significant change even if it's not eye-poppingly lighter 
than the Platypii and a good place to start if it *has* to be a Rivendell. 
You'll still get the benefits of the design. If it turns out to be your cup 
of tea, you could ride it while you get in line for that lighter  Roadeo 
and then sell the Roadini off. 

Yes, I did ride my Rivendell Road on longer  club rides where other bikes 
would have put me at more of a disadvantage. My 82.5 PBH put me on a 56 
frame when I ordered mine in 2000. At that time I had an Italian Rossin I 
bought in 1987, full vintage Campagnolo, but I wanted something a little 
more chill; the Rossin felt like a handful, especially if I was tired.  It 
was fast and fun, until it wasn't anymore. I sold that Rossin to a neighbor 
and didn't lose a wink of sleep about selling it.The Riv Road was well 
worth the wait with the dreamy ride we all know and love.  My Rivendells,  
I'm still hanging onto, for now. Call me a hoarder, but not ready to get 
rid of them yet. Not even sure I'd find a market for them up here in 
Winnipeg and I would certainly get a lot less than what I paid for them. 

Why am I not surprised that you'd start thinking about a Rivendell road 
bike ? 

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 2:33:50 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[tio ryan]

 

*Can you tell us more about why the new stem/bar is a pleasant change?*
I think it's because getting around the city involves frequent stops and 
starts and I often find myself riding out of the saddle to accelerate. With 
the tosco and albatross bars, it felt like my hands were behind me when I 
was out of the saddle and I had less control. When seated, the new setup 
has me in a more tucked position resulting in a ride that has felt less 
sluggish. I also had my saddle too low for a while which definitely wasn't 
helping.. 

It’s interesting to see the variations on the Platypus frames from previous 
years -- lovely setup, Steve! I’ve been wondering what the official name of 
that color is. It’s my fave!

-tio in brooklyn
On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 9:51:29 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote:

> Forgive my photo bombing this thread - but I can't resist. Let's just say 
> I'm posting in response to Bill so anyone following along will be able to 
> contrast the new lugged tubes with the older brazed ones;- )[image: 
> 9E44819D-2EF4-498C-92EE-0E23E73A049F_1_201_a.jpeg]
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 7:03:41 PM UTC-4 schralp wrote:
>
>> I just noticed how they changed the transition from the “top” tube to the 
>> twin rear stays. So different from my Platy. Mine sweep past the seat tube 
>> and melt into it. Not sure how I missed the design change. Beautiful bike 
>> and glad it’s getting close to your ideal setup…
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 12:43 PM tio ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> Hope it's okay to give this thread a bump! I wanted to share how my 
>>> setup has evolved over the past couple months. 
>>>
>>> Although the previous setup *was* comfortable, I was experiencing 
>>> fender rub through turns and it drove me crazy, so I removed the fenders. 
>>> My thinking was I already have fenders on my other 2 bikes and I'd prefer 
>>> not to commute in the rain with my Platypus, if possible. After removing 
>>> the fenders, I changed the pedals. The sw taco pedals were much bigger than 
>>> I needed and they were getting in the way with the low bb on this bike. I 
>>> switched the pedals out for sw tiny bubbly pedals I was using on my 
>>> Kuwahara. I also swapped the b17 for a regal I scored off this list from 
>>> Julian. For aesthetics, I polished the seat post and shellacked the 
>>> chainstay protector. 
>>>
>>> From the beginning I knew I wanted a rear rack, so I finally ordered a 
>>> shiny rear rack from Riv. It's getting warmer here and I'll soon need to 
>>> switch over to a pannier for my daily commute. I wanted the cockpit to be 
>>> more sporty, so I ordered a 60mm Nitto 90-190 stem and Ahearne Map bars 
>>> which did the trick splendidly. It's such a pleasant change from the 
>>> tosco/tallux combo the bike came with. Finally, I removed the basket from 
>>> the campee rack as I no longer had a need for it on this bike. 
>>>
>>> Here's how my Platypus is looking now:
>>> [image: platy2.jpeg]
>>> I'll add the ferrule back to the derailer cable once I settle on the 
>>> thumb shifter. It's a suntour power ratchet for now. 
>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:25:45 AM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thrilled to be part of the Riv family! I just commuted to work on my 
>>>> Platy and was smiling ear to ear the entire way. I even got a friendly 
>>>> ding-ding from a fellow Riv rider traveling in the opposite direction 
>>>> (I've 
>>>> seen a few others here in Brooklyn over the years). I'm sure more changes 
>>>> will come with time, I'm curious to see myself how it'll look in a year or 
>>>> two. In the near future, I know I'd like to add a rear rack, or maybe a 
>>>> bag. 
>>>>
>>>> Steve, that's exactly what it is! I'm not even sure who makes this 
>>>> particular one, but it had been strapped to my old man's Hardrock since 
>>>> the 
>>>> early 90s. It's quite nice inverted on a step-thru since the underside of 
>>>> the bag has a reinforced/padded strap that's very comfortable to sit on, 
>>>> or 
>>>> to rest your feet. It also doesn't hurt that it can fit some tools as I'm 
>>>> still dialing in my saddle/bar heights & angles. It was this 
>>>> <https://youtu.be/oa-kyowhoQQ?si=GY7mgZpyOKoXcOem=405> Blue Lug/Riv 
>>>> video where I saw one on Roman's bike and copied the idea. It's fantastic.
>>>>
>>>> -tio
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:22:41 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.

Re: [RBW] Texas Riv Ride Your Age Accomplished

[Ryan]

Very nice! Congratulations to all of you!

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 2:11:11 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Congratulations! Your ride certainly encourages me!
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 1:02 PM st nick  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> There are 5 or 6 Riv owners that I'm aware of in the greater Dallas area.
>>
>> I'm sure there must be more in an area this size that I've just not met 
>> yet.
>>
>> Three of us got together yesterday , Sunday,
>> for a long ride.
>>
>> Luis is in a blue shirt Jim in a yellow one and me, Paul, in an orange 
>> one.
>>
>> Jim and Luis have Homer's and I have the orange Sam. 
>> Well, Jim actually has a total of 3 Rivs.
>>
>> Jim recently had a birthday (numero 75)
>> and proposed a ride your age ride.
>> He had never gone behind about 55 miles as I recall so it was an 
>> ambitious goal.
>>
>> I'm just a year behind Jim in age.
>> I guess we are officially geezers.
>> I had done a few rides in my cycling years of this distance so figured I 
>> could if we paced ourselves and took plenty of breaks.
>>
>> Note , none of us are speedsters.
>>
>> I told him I was in to go for the full 75 miles.
>>
>> Two other local non-Riv gents joined us and got in 40.  I think Luis 
>> wound up with 55 miles.
>> He's the youngster of the group, about 15 years younger.
>>
>> I think the temperature was mid 60's starting out at 8 AM and topped out 
>> in the low 80's so pretty good there. 
>>
>> The south wind varied from about 10 to 15 mph was a factor when riding 
>> south but tolerable enough for determined riders and we were determined, 
>> especially Jim.
>>
>> I applaud him. He hung in there and kept pedaling until my cycle computer 
>> on my Sam and my phone mileage app concurred we had 75 miles.
>>
>> We did not finish until about 6:50 PM.
>> It was a long day in the saddle.
>>
>> We did take a lunch break of 30 minutes or so and plenty of brief stops 
>> along the way to rest the legs and back sides as well as multiple photo 
>> opps.
>>
>> It was a long but very satisfying day with some great comraderie, mutual 
>> encouragement , can do attitude and even some downtime Dallas site seeing 
>> mixed in.  
>>
>> In the end there was also an immense sense of satisfaction that we had 
>> actually done it.
>> We have the sore derrières to prove it this morning.
>>
>> I asked Jim if we had bragging  rights for another year and he thought so 
>> but at our age I'm not sure how many more we can continue to 'ride our age' 
>> but I think we'll keep trying until we cannot.
>>
>> I read of amazing athletic accomplishments of folks even older than us so 
>> I know it's possible.
>>
>> Well, apologies for the long post but I hope it encourages others as they 
>> get into their 60's , 70's and beyond.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>> box_liam on Instagram 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seven Speed Hubs

[Ryan]

Yes...they are good-looking hubs. Did you buy them?

On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 6:48:19 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: R0005110.jpeg]Yes, these are really, really nice. 

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[RBW] Re: For all-rounder fandom doing spring overhauls

[Ryan]

Well...I did have a good LBS(closed now, alas!)  run by a good friend of 
mine do the tapping and facing to install the CK...and I'm sure Rivendell 
did whatever was necessary to install Chris King headsets  for my custom 
road and mixte... so Matthew...what you said about regrease and readjust is 
maybe enough

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 2:42:22 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:

> I watched the first 9 min. Thats pretty good for me! I'll return and skip 
> through the 53 min
>
> Nice bike! Really a joy to see.
>
> Possible the headset was just a little tight? Loosen and bit plus 
> re-grease it and done? I'll watch more to maybe find out :)
>
> What prompted me to write: I like it "when threads collide" - his tall 
> stem called upon that other "clem stem" thread going on.
> His stem makes pulling it out difficult. It wouldn't be the case if he was 
> using more of the length and cable lengths set at that.
> Not a mistake, but we can see how that tall of a stem maybe causes a 
> little difficulty for him (quill stem supposed to make adjustments easier, 
> is one argument) plus the weight (FWIWeighs).
>
> Great bike though. No complaints overall. I'll return to ingest more of 
> the vid.
>
> -Matthew P
> San Diego - Kumeyaay Land
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:45:17 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Man, that looks like my long ago released AR. Right year of construction.
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:32:53 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Ugh...I have a CK headset on my 1997 A/R which is probably suffering 
>>> from benign neglect...maybe I'm not the only one
>>>
>>> BikeFarmer Rivendell All-Rounder BIKE CHECK with bonus headset overhaul 
>>> and head tube facing
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysx21nddMmk=53s 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] For all-rounder fandom doing spring overhauls

[Ryan]

Ugh...I have a CK headset on my 1997 A/R which is probably suffering from 
benign neglect...maybe I'm not the only one

BikeFarmer Rivendell All-Rounder BIKE CHECK with bonus headset overhaul and 
head tube facing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysx21nddMmk=53s 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Ryan Ogilvie]

What are long chain stays in this metaphor? :-)Sent from my mobile device. On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:26 PM, fiddl...@gmail.com  wrote:Ribeye vs Burger: both get the same job done in different ways…neither is a bad way to goOn Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ wrote:Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems the prevailing thought is long stays are better forupright ridingsingle track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)I'll just note 2 'facts'1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with long stays.2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were solutions to actual problems.So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by using long chain staysJust to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??Or do they solve a real problem???John HawrylakWoodstown NJFWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm chain stay.    It's hard to notice a ride difference.



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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[Ryan Frahm]

I have the half size Wald 137 and love it! I always have a Swift Sugarloaf 
in it with a net over the top. Has been great on several bikes!

https://analogcycles.com/products/wald-halfa-basket-baskets
On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:19:25 AM UTC-7 John Johnson wrote:

> These are nicehttps://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/
>
> Otherwise any old front rack + a wald 137 ftw.
>
> John
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 5:13:38 PM UTC+1 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
>> basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
>> both the 137 and (i think) the 139.
>>
>> Brian F
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco 
>>> basket that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of 
>>> unaesthetic.  Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or 
>>> anything else that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six 
>>> pack?
>>>
>>> smm
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for Cheviot Owners

[tio ryan]

that floating pic is a mind-bender! 

-tio 

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:42:21 AM UTC-4 Olivier Chételat wrote:

> Here is mine this afternoon..
> I love my Cheviot.
> I love my Cheviot a bit more than I love my Betty Foy (team long chain 
> stay).
> I will probably love a Platypus more than I love my Cheviot; I maxed out 
> the tires at 55mm and I my sweet spot is 65. I want both the clearance and 
> v-brake/canti studs a Platy offers. 
>
> Cheers!
>
> Oli in SF
>
> [image: IMG_0272 (3).jpeg][image: IMG_0293 (2).jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love the Cheviots and I think they are so regal. This color is one of 
>> my favorites, too. 
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2024, at 8:32 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>
>> I love my Cheviot & don't see myself selling it. The novelty seeking 
>> side of me was/is curious about the Platypus but I don't really see a 
>> functional difference between the two (unless you're splitting hairs about 
>> tire clearance and cantilever-posts) and I like the urbane look of the 
>> Cheviot. My wife has a Platypus and loves it too. The Platypus/Cheviot are 
>> maybe my favorite Rivendells ever made with the old Toyo Atlantis/Roadini 
>> (which my wife also owns) being tied for second. Here's my 60...
>>
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[RBW] Re: Abomination? Riv Road "upgrades"

[Ryan]

And Eric it looks like you have some other choices in your garage if you 
want to go upright...if the wheels are fun why not?

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 7:21:17 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:

> I like it!  Splash some red, maybe bar tape, and it all works together 
> nicely.  I had my first ride on some Corsa Pro tires and agree, they are 
> fast.
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 5:49:35 PM UTC-4 reynoldslugs wrote:
>
>> Eric - 
>>
>> go for it, ride it, enjoy it.
>>
>> I  have a lovely 2003 Rivendell Custom. 
>>
>> In its first iteration, I put Mavic Ksyriums on it.
>>
>> Admiittedly, it looks better without the Ksyriums -  
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625808579123/
>>
>> but I was happy riding them for a while, the bike still road great.  I 
>> got some funny looks but kept going.
>>
>> Story of my life, as it were -
>>
>> anyway, enjoy your bike.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Max Beach
>> Santa Rosa CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 7:57:32 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>> I'll give lots more background on the backstory and handwringing that 
>>> led to this if you want, but long story short: I scored a mismatched 
>>> (different eras, different materials, different depths) set of Zipp wheels 
>>> extremely cheaply recently and decided to turn my Bosco'd 650b conversion 
>>> Riv Road back into a road bike set up for road riding. Pairing the wheels 
>>> with some on-sale Vittoria Corsa G2.0 in 32 width made the bike smoother 
>>> than with 650b x 42 GravelKings and loads faster. Is it an abomination? 
>>> Heresy? Who knows? Who cares? It's fun, lighter and I'm enjoying the set up 
>>> for now (though I may need a larger chainring now...)
>>>
>>> Enjoy (or not):
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8312.JPG]
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Eric 
>>> Indpls
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv Canti/Vbrake Frame in 54/55/56

[Ryan]

oops never mind...sorry; its in your post header

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:51 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> what size are you looking for?
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:55:25 AM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Y'all,
>>
>> Recently sold my Atlantis frame that was a bit too small for me to move 
>> up to something that fits better. Wondering if anyone here has an 
>> Appaloosa, Atlantis, Plat, Sam that they're looking to move on. Also into 
>> older models if the sizing works/they're in good shape(Hunq, Saluki, 
>> Bombadil, etc.)
>>
>> Figure this might be a long shot, but better to make it known here before 
>> starting to dig too deep into the corners of the internet.
>>
>> - Drew
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv Canti/Vbrake Frame in 54/55/56

[Ryan]

what size are you looking for?

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:55:25 AM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Y'all,
>
> Recently sold my Atlantis frame that was a bit too small for me to move up 
> to something that fits better. Wondering if anyone here has an Appaloosa, 
> Atlantis, Plat, Sam that they're looking to move on. Also into older models 
> if the sizing works/they're in good shape(Hunq, Saluki, Bombadil, etc.)
>
> Figure this might be a long shot, but better to make it known here before 
> starting to dig too deep into the corners of the internet.
>
> - Drew
>

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[RBW] Re: Give this guy a Like and a Subscribe

[tio ryan]

Glad to see he's making longer content for YouTube, as I've also been 
following him on IG for little while now and have been enjoying his bike 
videos. 

He's got a couple very sweet Rivs and a gift for filming and editing 
bicycle content. 

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I've been following him on Instagram. He's got a nice collection of Riv's 
> and is constantly posting riding videos. No bike no likes right? I 
> subscribed to the YouTube channel. 
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:39:37 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing -- nice understated video that really is worth 
>> watching -- makes me want to go cycle in Korea!  
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, Il 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:16:40 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> Nice video of his adventures aboard a Clem in Korea. 
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/IFoDkOQjk08?si=tOa6oP0IbiZmwNRQ
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Ryan]

Sounds like Winnipeg to me! Especially the stiff headwind bit. So for my 
dodgy knees and 70+ years it's 18-19 tooth WI ENO and 36 tooth front on an 
old XTR crank on my ancient but reliable  early 70's PX-10 single speed 
which works in said headwind but is probably undergeared otherwise.

@Max S which one are you in the trio BTW?

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:54:42 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill, your description of the landscape near your Michigan office is even 
> more true of northwest Ohio, Toledo more precisely. It’s this geography 
> that has me thinking a Roaduno might be fun, be it 1,2 or 3 speed.
> Richard - in Toledo where the only “hill” is a stiff headwind.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 5, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Fair enough.  On the simpler side I have a fixie at my office in 
> Michigan, where the biggest hill is a freeway overpass.  On that bike 
> (Crust Florida Man) I run a Campy square taper road crank with a 39T ring 
> and a chain guard with a 16T fixed cog on a Surly Ultra New rear hub. 
>  There's a 16T freewheel on the other side but I've never used it.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, 
>> but these are nice options you're running.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
>>> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
>>> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
>>> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
>>> wheel position
>>>
>>> 34x22 is my climbing gear
>>> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
>>> 40x16 is my high gear
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>>
 What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
 too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the 
 classic 
 single speed crankset anymore.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Ryan Mulcahy]

Hi! This is my first time posting. My wife has a Joe and I brought home a 
Hilsen in the fall. They are both beautiful bikes and wonderful rides. The 
Hilsen has a little more zip, it seems to me - I'd say if you're absolutely 
sure about pavement-only, try for that. But the Joe is not a slow bike 
(it's not a race bike either!) -- it just takes a little longer to get up 
to speed -- and is prob a touch more versatile. It's not quite as drop bar 
friendly, however, so that's something to consider. 



On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 12:00:07 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>
> Epiphany! 
>
> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
>> tires.
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
>>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick -

 You forgot the Ram!

 Regards,

 Corwni
 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
> (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
> wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>> rides 
>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>> choice, 
>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>> I 
>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>> me. 
>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>> size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>> bike 
>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>> rides. 
>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>> was 
>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>> riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] WTB 650B Dynamo Wheel & Question About Alex Rims

[tio ryan]

I appreciate that info, Josh! I'm in a similar situation with my Platypus — 
I'd like to add a dynamo, but I don't necessarily want to have mismatched 
rims, nor do I want my original front wheel just hanging on the wall. I had 
no idea what it'd cost to have the hub swapped on the existing wheel. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:14:37 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Maybe just have someone lace a dyno hub into that existing wheel. I just 
> did this for my wife's platy and, other than buying a dyno hub, the work 
> only cost me $50. Beats buying another wheel just to have the original 
> hanging in my garage. 
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 12:15:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Congrats on the new Clem. That's the model that I've most thought about 
>> recently. Perhaps one day ...
>>
>> I've ridden Alex rims on 2 Redline Monocog 29ers and based on those I'd 
>> say that Redline makes good, workmanlike modestly priced rims that are 
>> really all that most of us need. 584 (millimeters) is the "bead seat 
>> diameter," the diameter of the rim where the tire bead sits, thus a measure 
>> of the inner tire bead diameter, and thus further a quick-reference for 
>> tire height (which of course varies almost infinetly according to tire 
>> width); the 650B designation is an ancient French and nowadays confusing 
>> name for precisely that bead seat diameter, so that 650B = 584 mm bsd. 
>> 650B/584 bsd tires and rims are sortof kindof halfway between "road 
>> wheels/tires" or 700c/622 bsd and "twenty six inch wheels", of which there 
>> are too many varieties to enumerate here but which commonly refers to the 
>> most common mountain bike wheel 20 and 30 years ago with a 559 mm bsd.
>>
>> DM 18? I don't know but I'd guess that 18 mm is the inner width of the 
>> rim. Others can correct as necessary.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:51 AM Dennis Wong  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Purchased my first Riv, a mustard colored Clem Jr H! 
>>>
>>> I think the bike has the original 650B wheels marked Alex Rims.  The are 
>>> about 31mm wide.  I'd was thinking of having someone build a new, matching 
>>> front wheel with a dynamo.  I looked at the Velocity and Alex Rim sites.  
>>> Other than the Rivendell Site 
>>>  (650B/27.5/584 x 
>>> DM18 x Shimano hubs) I don't see much on the web about these rims.  (What 
>>> does the 584 and DM18 mean?)
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Ryan]

Wow...that is elegant. What hubs are you using; didn't see them listed? 
Have you ridden it yet?

Thanks for sharing the build with us!

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 11:27:04 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:

> Great build! That'll be eye-catching on PBP!
>
> jim mather
> walnut creek
>
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 8:27:37 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>
>> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  Legolas 
>> fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>>
>> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU 
>> tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>>
>> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm bottom 
>> bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R Der, Down 
>> tube shifters.  KMC chain
>>
>> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing. 
>>  Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers 
>> (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle
>>
>> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene Herse 
>> pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>>
>> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Ryan]

Something local like a Napa Valley rose ??

" Located just north of St. Helena, this state-of-the-art winery features 
17,000 square feet of winemaking caves and has three different vineyard 
AVAs. The *2022 Rosé of Pinot Noir* is summer in a bottle, with tastes of 
sweet watermelon and pink grapefruit leaving you longing for more."

https://www.visitnapavalley.com/blog/post/napa-valley-wineries-with-rose/ 
 

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 9:59:52 AM UTC-6 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congratulations on the new bike Bill. I always look forward to seeing your 
> builds.
>
> Since there appear to be no existing Velominati rules that govern the use 
> of wine corks for bar ends, is it up to us (RBW Owners Bunch) to create 
> them? I am inventing the role of Velosommolier.
>
> - Must the wine be consumed after the assembly of the bike? Kind of a 
> finishing touch like when they smash a bottle against a new sailing ship?
>
> - Must the wine match the bike in terms of character, whimsical vs 
> serious, light vs heavy, drop bars vs upright bars, etc?  
>
> - Must the uniqueness of the wine somewhat match the uniqueness of the 
> bike?
>
> - Must both ends be from the same wine (necessitating 2 bottles) or do you 
> cut the corks in half?
>
> I guess what I'm asking is what kind of wine are you going to use? 
> Mike in Austin
>
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Wine corks go in the bar ends after more shellac
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 5:59:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed 
>>> the unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
>>> overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
>>>> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
>>>> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, 
>>>> and 
>>>> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
>>>> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>>>>
>>>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
>>>>> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>>>>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
>>>>> inaugural 
>>>>> ride take you?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>>>>>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
>>>>>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>>>>>> just 
>>>>>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>>>>>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>>>>>> Meditating 
>>>>>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>>>>>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>>>>>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>>>>>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
>>>>>> earlier 
>>>>>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new 
>>>>>> procedure 
>>>>>> for me, and I'm using the very elega

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Ryan]

The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed the 
unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and 
> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>
> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
>> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
>> ride take you?
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>>
>>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>>> shots in it.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> SMH
>
> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Ryan Frahm]

Another good option! I have used this 10 speed 136 link chain and it lasts 
forever. Splitting a chain is no big deal but I have really enjoyed not 
dealing with it. 
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=92096=533
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> Agreed, thanks Collin. I don't mind splitting the chains but it'd be 
> easier to simply buy one long chain and be done with it. 
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:00:11 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Good looking out! Thanks for the tip. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:15:42 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great option, but once you buy two chains once, then save the 
>>> excess, then you only need to buy one more chain for quite a lot of 
>>> intervals thereafter. 
>>>
>>> How has your experience been running the 11spd chain on 9-speed 
>>> cassettes, if any?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:00:57 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 If like me, you have a longstay Rivendell and have some minor 
 inconveniences with the luxurious ride it provides, I have good news! Most 
 of the Shimano 11 speed chains (which shift great on 9 and 10 speed 
 drivetrains, and last longer than the 9 and 10 speed chains) can now be 
 bought at 126 links long, which means no more cobbling together a normal 
 114 link plus 10+/- links from another chain. Maybe folks were already 
 aware, but maybe not.

 For reference, my 51 cm Joe Appaloosa with 52 cm chainstays running a 
 42/24 chainrings and 11-34 cassette requires 124 links. I'll likely pickup 
 a microshoft sword 10 speed 11-38 to go along with a new chain

 Search for: shimano 11 speed chain - Performance Bicycle 
 (performancebike.com) 
 

 Happy Riding,
 Collin, no longer splicing chains at least, in Berkeley

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Ryan]

No kidding, Leah! I am dying to see this bike! Bill, you've been waiting a 
long time for it...mind you, I know you have a large stable, but still...

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:04:30 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> DRAT this 3 hour time zone difference. I’ll be waiting forever over here! 
> Hurry, hurry!
>
> On Feb 14, 2024, at 10:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Mark tells me my frame is sitting in his stand right now...
>
>
> I'm going to pick it up Thursday morning, and I have to pick my headbadge. 
>  The Roadeo head badge comes in Red or in Blue.  The Roadeo page on the 
> website shows them both.  I'm definitely going blue.  There are a few 
> touches of blue that will show up elsewhere on the build, so that will tie 
> in.  
>
> I'm pretty sure I have absolutely every piece of the build so it may be 
> New Bike Day less than 24 hours from now.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait until 
>> next week to see it!
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> It's getting real
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Platypus

[Ryan]

That is a handsome bikeyeah, fun to swap out parts to make it your own 
and those are fine choices. That Sergio Green is a subtle color and I like 
those matching grips

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 9:17:40 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tim, please pardon my disagreement, but I think your description of the 
> Platy's ride quality is perfect - "sublime".  Anything more would just be 
> so many words.  
>
> Though it's a 50cm frame set with 650b wheels, my 2022 Platypus is built 
> up similar to yours - Billie bars, B17 saddle, front rack, a 44-34-24 
> triple crankset, and of course, plump tires (42mm RH slicks under 62mm 
> Honjos).  The more I ride it the more I love it. So, needless to say, 
> I'm digging your Platypus!!!
>
> Steve In Asheville
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Love a Platypus with Billie Bars. Happy riding!
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 1:31:06 PM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Took advantage of the rare warm weather we are having to take my new 
>>> Platypus out. I purchased this 60cm Sergio's Green as a complete bike. At 
>>> first I thought I'd ride it complete as it was delivered right out of the 
>>> box. Although it was fine with the SunRace parts that came with bike I just 
>>> couldn't live with the aesthetic. I swapped a few parts to make it my own 
>>> and I now have it built the way I wanted it. 
>>>
>>> The Platypus is probably the nicest riding Rivendell I've ever owned. 
>>> I'm not very good at putting ride quality into words but it just feels 
>>> sublime. The combination of the laid back geometry and the chubby tires are 
>>> bike factors. I found that having more of my weight on the front end of the 
>>> bike by angling the bars down made a big difference. I also changed the 
>>> stem to a 135mm up from a 110mm. I am really happy with the bike and know 
>>> that it will serve me well through the years. 
>>>
>>> Here is what I swapped out to make it my own. 
>>>
>>> Nitto Billie Bars
>>> Shimano XTR M952 RD
>>> Shimano Deore DX FD
>>> Silver Triple Cranks. 44x34x24
>>> SunTour Power XC Power Ratchets
>>> Brooks B-17 Special
>>> Paul Love Levers
>>> Oury Grips
>>> Added SimsXNitto Obento Rack
>>> Wald 137
>>> 5th Season Squall Sack
>>>
>>> [image: 378813CC-FB63-412C-8A4F-CC94A83F5E88_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Campy and Riv

[Ryan]

My 2001 Riv Road has Silver 1st gen barend shifters shifting an 80s Super 
Record derailleur and it works fine; any misshifts are totally attributable 
to the operator...since derailleurs themselves are not "indexed" I can't 
see logically why you can't use Silver shifters with the newer (than my SR) 
Campy Racing-T

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:05:56 PM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com 
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> Hi everyone - 
>
> My 93 XO-1 came equipped with campy racing T. Everything is in good shape, 
> but it has my least favorite ergo shifters. I'm wanting to upgrade to a 
> thumb shifter or downtube. Does anyone have experience running the riv 
> silver shifters and campy? 
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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Ryan]

Wow...is it ever! Is that a fade or just lighting* ?*


*Dying to see the finished bike...as you are no doubt*
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:22:34 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to Rivendell 
> HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my color-matched Rene 
> Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>
> It's getting real
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Ryan]

Happy birthday Bill...great way to spend the day

Now...about your new roadeo

Best...Ryan in winnipeg 

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:41:42 PM UTC-6 DTL wrote:

> Ride with friends more is a goal of mine. Even once a month would be an 
> increase for me!
> And a general ride more with no music / podcast playing / phone not on the 
> quad lock (when appropriate) - to echo John's sentiment of presence.
> I have such a good memory of a ride I did a few years ago which was a. on 
> new terrain and b. no headphones. Both things really cemented the ride in 
> my brain.
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 12:00:28 PM UTC+11 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I did my 55 miles on my 55th birthday today, -AND- got my second summit 
>> of Mount Diablo of 2024 on a second bike.  Last month I rode my Black 
>> Mountain Cycles road.  Today I rode my 57cm Legolas (in Amethyst Smoke). 
>>  On Saturday I'll be riding that same Legolas on a 200k brevet with SF 
>> Randonneurs.  There was still some snow on the sides of the road near the 
>> summit of Mount Diablo, and the descent was VERY cold, but anything "not 
>> raining" is a welcome novelty. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Earlier I said: 
>>>
>>> "My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>>
>>> 10,000km ridden
>>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
>>> birthday as a regular event"
>>>
>>> So far so good.  
>>> -I'm right on the doorstep of a 1000km January, so that's looking good.  
>>> -I've got my 55 mile ride on my 55th birthday planned out, and it will 
>>> be my second summit of Mount Diablo on bike #2.  
>>> -I've got my first 200k under my belt, using the bike that I intend to 
>>> use for the Marin Mountains 200.  That's also a great stepping stone to 
>>> being ready for the 400.  
>>> -On my brevet yesterday I snuck off-route a few times to sneak in a few 
>>> Marin County Wandrer points. 
>>>
>>> Keep taking those W's when you can.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:42:01 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> "I think you meant "timely" instead of "timply" in your SMART acronym?"
>>>>
>>>> Indeed I did.  S.M.A.R.T. goals are a regular thing.  I didn't make up 
>>>> the acronym.  It's a common technique to ward off gloom and depression. 
>>>>  Therapists, life coaches, etc frequently recommend these things.  The 
>>>> great thing about it is that it's kind of self-customized.  You can line 
>>>> up 
>>>> your goals to meet the realities of your life.  
>>>>
>>>> Simple (sometimes people use Specific).  It just means it's something 
>>>> very clear and not ambiguous.  "Have more fun" doesn't fit.  "Be 
>>>> healthier" 
>>>> doesn't fit.  "Go to the gym twice each week" is specific and easy to know 
>>>> whether you did it or not.  That kind of thing
>>>>
>>>> Measurable just means it's objectively certain whether you did it or 
>>>> not.  There's no judgment in an objective measurement.  "lose 5 pounds" is 
>>>> a measurement.  
>>>>
>>>> Achievable means it'll take a little effort but if you try you'll do 
>>>> it.  10,000km this year is achievable for me in my current life set-up, 
>>>> but 
>>>> it does mean I'm going to have to try.  In comparison, for 2023 I barely 
>>>> made 3000 miles, under 5000km.  
>>>>
>>>> Relevant means it's something to build towards some other larger 
>>>> objective that is important to me.  My fitness goals are all aimed at 
>>>> extending my life and maximizing my quality of life.  
>>>>
>>>> Timely means it can happen in a reasonable amount of time.  "Ride 
>>>> 200,000 miles in my life" is not timely.  "Live to be 90" is not timely, 
>>>> but it may be an outcome that is helped along.  I'm knocking out tiny 
>>>> sm

[RBW] Re: FS: 1997 Road Standard - 57cm on the Ebay

[Ryan]

Wow...that is nice...looks like it is in immaculate condition...and more
than fair price...a classic

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 3:23:32 PM UTC-6 Bryan R wrote:

> Just listed this. 
>
> Honor to have owned and ridden. 
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/256399897887
>
>
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