Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
This hasn't been my experience at all, shifting 9 sp (and not even stock, so ramps all messed up) with PowerRatchet bar end shifters. It shifted fine, and I have a very sensitive ear for improperly placed chains; and I did use all the gears, as this was a wide range double setup. And the Silvers are far better than the PRs. I think, from having worked with both silvers and Prs, that the ratchets work only in one direction and that the lever rotates independently of them in the other, so that the detents are also rotated in this second direction in indefinitely variable friction only mode. FWIW, 11-23 and 12-27 cassettes (stock) shifted perfectly with Mavic branded retrofriction downtubers, but these don't have detents, they have some sort of dual-direction friction system that mimics the ST system. And they also pull less cable, from what I remember. Whatever the case, their precision with 10 cogs surprised me. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: "With 9sp and 10sp, the ratchet clicks start to almost mimic indexing, and there are usually a couple cogs that are hard to use (or at least noisy). Some people have told me that they use 9sp with Silver shifters with no problems. I believe that these people are: a) lucky, b) simply not hearing the rattling noises, or more likely, not actually using all nine cogs (to reduce noise, always trim-shifting away from the cogs that don't happen to align with the ratchet)." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
We had an early 70s French something in a couple months ago with a 4sp freewheel. Gearing limitations were the least of its problems... It's not accurate to describe Silver shifters as "friction". They are more of a ratchet mechanism than a friction mechanism. Unlike true friction, which, for all its drawbacks, has more or less infinite range of shift positions, the ratchet shifters shift to a finite number of ratchet clicks - it's not really possible for the shifter to be at rest between two ratchet clicks. Usually works fine with 5, 6, 7, and 8-speed freewheels and cassettes, since the cogs are far enough apart that the shifter being a fraction off doesn't initiate a shift. With 9sp and 10sp, the ratchet clicks start to almost mimic indexing, and there are usually a couple cogs that are hard to use (or at least noisy). Some people have told me that they use 9sp with Silver shifters with no problems. I believe that these people are: a) lucky, b) simply not hearing the rattling noises, or more likely, not actually using all nine cogs (to reduce noise, always trim-shifting away from the cogs that don't happen to align with the ratchet). My personal opinion: Component manufacturers add more gears, often while quietly making more important innovations, because "how many gears?" is a question frequently asked by people who buy bikes. I have had many bikes with 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and (recently) 10-speed drivetrains. They are all fine. I am not a huge fan of Silver shifters (or any friction shifters), and I don't have much interest in trolling ebay for vintage parts to keep my rig on the road. If 10sp is what is going to be widely available for the foreseeable future, I probably won't be going out of my way to build a bike around a 6-sp freewheel or 6-sp Uniglide cassette or any other obsolete drivetrain. 10-sp works fine, and is now available with a dizzying array of gearing options, a variety of shifter styles, etc. That said, unless they request otherwise, anybody who buys a bike from me will most likely be getting 8sp or 9sp, simply because it saves them a few bucks on chains and cassettes. I don't foresee replacement chains and cassettes becoming any more limited in selection than they already are, at least not for quite a few years. Hoarding at this point is probably premature. Not that you should let that stop you :) On Oct 24, 8:03 pm, EricP wrote: > My first 6 speed was on the old 5 spacing. On early mountain bikes it > was unreliable (I broke chains). > > Four speeds in back wasn't common, but would occasionally see them at > the shop where I hung out. Then again, the Twin Cities had a number > of distributors/wholesale places. Probably was easier to get parts. > Cycle Goods was a store in front, distributor in back. > > Then again, I actually don't remember "regular" 6 speed. Everything I > saw seemed to be for use on 5 speed hubs. (1984 to 1986) > > Strangely enough, really don't miss 5 speed. At least never had an > inkling of interest to put one on the Sam Hillborne. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > > > > Uniglide 7 speed was not very precise, and SunTour and Campagnol > > indexing were terrible. When Hyperglide came out, there were many > > instances of chains breaking, perhaps in part because Hyperglide let you > > shift under load, so people did - and sometimes chains broke. > > > I don't recall anyone ever being unwilling to risk 6 speed, although > > whatever they called the 6 that took up the same space as 5 didn't shift > > very well. And I never saw a 4 speed freewheel. Not once. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
My first 6 speed was on the old 5 spacing. On early mountain bikes it was unreliable (I broke chains). Four speeds in back wasn't common, but would occasionally see them at the shop where I hung out. Then again, the Twin Cities had a number of distributors/wholesale places. Probably was easier to get parts. Cycle Goods was a store in front, distributor in back. Then again, I actually don't remember "regular" 6 speed. Everything I saw seemed to be for use on 5 speed hubs. (1984 to 1986) Strangely enough, really don't miss 5 speed. At least never had an inkling of interest to put one on the Sam Hillborne. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN > > Uniglide 7 speed was not very precise, and SunTour and Campagnol > indexing were terrible. When Hyperglide came out, there were many > instances of chains breaking, perhaps in part because Hyperglide let you > shift under load, so people did - and sometimes chains broke. > > I don't recall anyone ever being unwilling to risk 6 speed, although > whatever they called the 6 that took up the same space as 5 didn't shift > very well. And I never saw a 4 speed freewheel. Not once. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
I'm running a NOS Uniglide (on D-A hub) now, but with a Silver friction shifter. Works just fine. Tough to find replacement cassettes though. From: PATRICK MOORE To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 6:43:06 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near! On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > Uniglide 7 speed was not very precise The best indexed shifting I ever owned was 7 sp Uniglide Sante on a 1989 Falcon. Snick, snick, snick, nary a grumble or overshift. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > Uniglide 7 speed was not very precise The best indexed shifting I ever owned was 7 sp Uniglide Sante on a 1989 Falcon. Snick, snick, snick, nary a grumble or overshift. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 05:59 -0700, EricP wrote: > Seems to me "back in the stone age" when 7 first came out, > it was terribly unreliable. Remember hanging around a bike shop and > hearing horror stories of chains snapping, cogs breaking, etc. All > the grey hairs were sticking with 4 and 5 speed as the only reliable > source. Some were willing to risk 6 speed. Uniglide 7 speed was not very precise, and SunTour and Campagnol indexing were terrible. When Hyperglide came out, there were many instances of chains breaking, perhaps in part because Hyperglide let you shift under load, so people did - and sometimes chains broke. I don't recall anyone ever being unwilling to risk 6 speed, although whatever they called the 6 that took up the same space as 5 didn't shift very well. And I never saw a 4 speed freewheel. Not once. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
This type of thinking is where I am at as well. My alignment with the big ring and the 7 speed mid cog is around 66 gear inches. I set up my Atlantis style clone bike (LHT) with a 107 bottom bracket which favors the inner cogs somewhat and I also used a spacer of course, with the seven speed cassette further aligning the middle cog. I don't get as much sideways chain bend with the mid ring which seems to be when the chain is maximally tensioned (during climbing) and in my mind increasing wear. I seldom ride the big ring with my 12 tooth except when maybe low tension spinning on a downhill or tailwind scenario. My goals have been to acheive maximum drive train life at low cost and gearing that I most often use with the best possible chain alignment. I think the shift (no puns intended) toward 10 speed and now 11 speed cog sets will prove to be unpopular when riders realize the durability and safety factors involved, not to mention the higher costs. I like a seven cog cassette as I know I have three cogs to each side of my mid position when viewing the shift lever and it helps me think about my shifting pattern when riding. I get an easy shift off the front to a 48 inch gear with my mid ring which works for me when I come to a stop at a lightso I am happy with it so far. The only thing better might be a Phil Wood hub/ symmetrical wheel and a seven freewheel. Not sure though. On Oct 23, 11:27 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > After a number of years of exclusive fixed and ss riding, I bowed to > the inevitable and did not have my new Fargo modified with track ends > or horizontals. But I run only 6 cogs on the 8/9/10 sp hub, using > three 8 sp spacers behind the rump cassette. For the fat Big Apple 65s > and the 46/36/24, I use a 15-17-20-24 29 34 that gives me a 67" gear > when the chain is on the big ring and perfectly straight -- I tend to > use this gear for most riding, only downshifting for sand and off road > hills. > > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:56 AM, charlie wrote: > > I recently switched to a 7 speed cassette and purchased both the > > cassette and chain for under $30. I haven't missed the one extra cog a > > bit. I have owned several freewheel bikes with six speeds and except > > for the 14 tooth top gear I didn't think I was "under geared" at all. > > Except for a nice low for loaded climbing most of us probably ride > > from about 40+ to 80+ gear inches depending on our local terrain. When > > you think about it rationally, lower gearing overall is probably more > > useful and wider spacing just doesn't seem to be a big deal. Staying > > "on top of the gear" as I like to put it just seems like frantic > > riding. Chain line and drive train longevity seem more important to me > > if you ride more than just on sunny days or weekends. > > > On Oct 23, 7:42 am, Mike wrote: > >> I'll be sticking with 8 speed and I'll scoop up a few chains and > >> cassettes while it's easy to do so. It seems to play well with > >> friction shifters. I never really liked the way my Rambouillet shifted > >> with a 9speed cassette and friction shifters, just a bit too finicky. > >> Who knows, maybe one day I'll get one of those PW freewheel hubs and > >> go to 6 speed. But I definitely won't be moving to 9, 10 or 11 speed. > > >> --mike > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
Thanks for that link, Sean. Great resource, that kraynick's. I looked at the four photos on the web page. Man! That's a lot of bike parts! Those photos remind me a lot of my own garage -- but without all the good stuff! From: Sean Whelan To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 10:41:10 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near! Jerry Kraynick likely has more New Old Stock Shimano 6 and 7 speed freewheels than everyone on this list can use in the next 25 years. http://www.panoramafactory.com/kraynick/index.html http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07316/833111-85.stm He has the inventory from many mom and pop shops that went out of business. Thanks, Sean --- On Fri, 10/22/10, Angus wrote: >From: Angus >Subject: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near! >To: "RBW Owners Bunch" >Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:33 PM > > >I recently purchased a number of "newly produced" Shimano 6 & 7 speed >freewheels from my LBS. The six speed FW on my Atlantis is working >very well so far. > >The only odd thing about them was the white "Shimano" lettering on the >large cog. The change from 7 speeds to 6 was almost not noticable. > >They were about $20 each. Perhaps I should burry a horde in the >backyard > >Angus > >On Oct 21, 7:02 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean >wrote: >> Yes, fellow cyclists. The time approaches. The rumors have begun, of >> course. You've read them here and elsewhere. Soon, more signs will >> appear. The unusual "out-of-stock" labels will emerge at previously >> reliable suppliers, as those not wishing to be caught with excess >> inventory fail to purchase. Then the odd stalwart merchant will be >> willing but unable to purchase, as the hoarders buy up product; more >> out-of-stock captions will be seen. Then the early 'Bay-ers will sell, >> with seemingly silly high reserves. Yet sell they will. Later, the >> hoarders will let loose. The sales will be massive blowouts. They will >> not last long. The late 'Bay-ers will try to ride the wave, buying and >> selling like '90s day-traders. Then, nothing. Quiet stillness >> descends. A small trickle will bubble forth, only to quickly become >> erratic and scarce; only those "in-the-know" will have access. And >> then, finally, we'll all realize what has come to pass... >> >> 8-pocalypse >> >> In the aftermath, the successful searcher will ride happily but >> warily, trying not to draw attention to the chain's thickness, the >> front derailer's width, the cogs' spacing. Such wariness will prove >> unwarranted, however. soon the "market" will deem 8-speed equipment >> not "inexpensive" but "cheap". Not "hearty", "heavy". Not "reliable", >> "retro". Those that "have" need not worry; those that lack won't want. >> >> The faithful will proceed the way the 6-and-7-coggers, freewheelers, >> and steerer-threaders did before them, wondering how to protect the >> stash, researching the aging process of grease, asking "Is metal >> fatigue a factor of actual use? Mere age?" And often paying boutique >> prices for modest product. >> >> Oh well. At least this is the 21st century; we'll always have that >> Great Support Group In The Sky, the Webbernet. >> >> Yours, >> Thomas Lynn Skean > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
After a number of years of exclusive fixed and ss riding, I bowed to the inevitable and did not have my new Fargo modified with track ends or horizontals. But I run only 6 cogs on the 8/9/10 sp hub, using three 8 sp spacers behind the rump cassette. For the fat Big Apple 65s and the 46/36/24, I use a 15-17-20-24 29 34 that gives me a 67" gear when the chain is on the big ring and perfectly straight -- I tend to use this gear for most riding, only downshifting for sand and off road hills. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:56 AM, charlie wrote: > I recently switched to a 7 speed cassette and purchased both the > cassette and chain for under $30. I haven't missed the one extra cog a > bit. I have owned several freewheel bikes with six speeds and except > for the 14 tooth top gear I didn't think I was "under geared" at all. > Except for a nice low for loaded climbing most of us probably ride > from about 40+ to 80+ gear inches depending on our local terrain. When > you think about it rationally, lower gearing overall is probably more > useful and wider spacing just doesn't seem to be a big deal. Staying > "on top of the gear" as I like to put it just seems like frantic > riding. Chain line and drive train longevity seem more important to me > if you ride more than just on sunny days or weekends. > > On Oct 23, 7:42 am, Mike wrote: >> I'll be sticking with 8 speed and I'll scoop up a few chains and >> cassettes while it's easy to do so. It seems to play well with >> friction shifters. I never really liked the way my Rambouillet shifted >> with a 9speed cassette and friction shifters, just a bit too finicky. >> Who knows, maybe one day I'll get one of those PW freewheel hubs and >> go to 6 speed. But I definitely won't be moving to 9, 10 or 11 speed. >> >> --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Earl Grey wrote: > My other bike on the other hand, with Shimano 9 sp > bar end shifters and 9 speed cassette on friction setting shifts only > passably. Sometimes the chain will jump back and forth between > adjacent cogs. Both bikes have high end rapid rise derailers, good > cables, newish housing and chains. Haven't done any elimination tests > yet, but I am pretty sure the culprit is insufficiently fine > adjustability of the friction mode on the Shimano shifters. FWIW, I very handily shifted a home-brew (= non-serial-ramps) 9 sp cassette with SunTour Power Ratchet bar end shifters, and various 10 sp cassettes with Simplex retrofriction dtubers. FWIW. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
I recently switched to a 7 speed cassette and purchased both the cassette and chain for under $30. I haven't missed the one extra cog a bit. I have owned several freewheel bikes with six speeds and except for the 14 tooth top gear I didn't think I was "under geared" at all. Except for a nice low for loaded climbing most of us probably ride from about 40+ to 80+ gear inches depending on our local terrain. When you think about it rationally, lower gearing overall is probably more useful and wider spacing just doesn't seem to be a big deal. Staying "on top of the gear" as I like to put it just seems like frantic riding. Chain line and drive train longevity seem more important to me if you ride more than just on sunny days or weekends. On Oct 23, 7:42 am, Mike wrote: > I'll be sticking with 8 speed and I'll scoop up a few chains and > cassettes while it's easy to do so. It seems to play well with > friction shifters. I never really liked the way my Rambouillet shifted > with a 9speed cassette and friction shifters, just a bit too finicky. > Who knows, maybe one day I'll get one of those PW freewheel hubs and > go to 6 speed. But I definitely won't be moving to 9, 10 or 11 speed. > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
I find that my Sam with 9 speed cassette and silver friction shifters shifts fantastic. My other bike on the other hand, with Shimano 9 sp bar end shifters and 9 speed cassette on friction setting shifts only passably. Sometimes the chain will jump back and forth between adjacent cogs. Both bikes have high end rapid rise derailers, good cables, newish housing and chains. Haven't done any elimination tests yet, but I am pretty sure the culprit is insufficiently fine adjustability of the friction mode on the Shimano shifters. Probably be buying more silver shifters, though I may try an 8 speed cassette in the interim. Gernot On Oct 23, 9:42 pm, Mike wrote: > I'll be sticking with 8 speed and I'll scoop up a few chains and > cassettes while it's easy to do so. It seems to play well with > friction shifters. I never really liked the way my Rambouillet shifted > with a 9speed cassette and friction shifters, just a bit too finicky. > Who knows, maybe one day I'll get one of those PW freewheel hubs and > go to 6 speed. But I definitely won't be moving to 9, 10 or 11 speed. > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
I'll be sticking with 8 speed and I'll scoop up a few chains and cassettes while it's easy to do so. It seems to play well with friction shifters. I never really liked the way my Rambouillet shifted with a 9speed cassette and friction shifters, just a bit too finicky. Who knows, maybe one day I'll get one of those PW freewheel hubs and go to 6 speed. But I definitely won't be moving to 9, 10 or 11 speed. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
Amidst this talk of doom, 8speed cassettes regularly sell for $20 on eBay. I don't yet feel the need to horde. Its all going to be fine No need to worry Really I believe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
Have thought about this a bit. Probably my 8 speed will end up going to nine. As it is cassette, the switch shouldn't be too painful. For 7 speed, well, will probably purchase a couple more freewheels so the Hillborne will be set. Unless, of course, I sell that bike to purchase something that takes fat tires (3" plus). While am somewhat anxious about the switch to 10 speed, also not too worried. Seems to me "back in the stone age" when 7 first came out, it was terribly unreliable. Remember hanging around a bike shop and hearing horror stories of chains snapping, cogs breaking, etc. All the grey hairs were sticking with 4 and 5 speed as the only reliable source. Some were willing to risk 6 speed. Even if the SunTour chains were not good. (I snapped three of those in one year.) Doesn't mean I'm hopping on the 10 speed train. But am not going to totally discount it, either. But for my Rivendell, probablyalmostcertainly not. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 22, 4:15 pm, Garth wrote: > Yes, but you gotta live in the Pittsburgh area to get them! Wow . > a bonus for living around here:) > > Kraynicks is great, a real diamond in the rough. When I think "bike > shop" I think Kraynicks. I grew up with shops like that. .. . . > dirty, unorganized yet full of good stuff! > > On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Sean Whelan wrote: > > > > > Jerry Kraynick likely has more New Old Stock Shimano 6 and 7 speed > > freewheels than everyone on this list can use in the next 25 years. > > >http://www.panoramafactory.com/kraynick/index.htmlhttp://www.post-gaz... > > > He has the inventory from many mom and pop shops that went out of business. > > > Thanks, > > Sean- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
Yes, but you gotta live in the Pittsburgh area to get them! Wow . a bonus for living around here:) Kraynicks is great, a real diamond in the rough. When I think "bike shop" I think Kraynicks. I grew up with shops like that. .. . . dirty, unorganized yet full of good stuff! On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Sean Whelan wrote: > Jerry Kraynick likely has more New Old Stock Shimano 6 and 7 speed freewheels > than everyone on this list can use in the next 25 years. > > http://www.panoramafactory.com/kraynick/index.htmlhttp://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07316/833111-85.stm > > He has the inventory from many mom and pop shops that went out of business. > > Thanks, > Sean > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
Thank [fill in your go to thankee here] for this list---the great reserve/trove of odd-ball items and items forever relegated to the sands of time from the masses! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
Jerry Kraynick likely has more New Old Stock Shimano 6 and 7 speed freewheels than everyone on this list can use in the next 25 years. http://www.panoramafactory.com/kraynick/index.html http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07316/833111-85.stm He has the inventory from many mom and pop shops that went out of business. Thanks, Sean --- On Fri, 10/22/10, Angus wrote: From: Angus Subject: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near! To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:33 PM I recently purchased a number of "newly produced" Shimano 6 & 7 speed freewheels from my LBS. The six speed FW on my Atlantis is working very well so far. The only odd thing about them was the white "Shimano" lettering on the large cog. The change from 7 speeds to 6 was almost not noticable. They were about $20 each. Perhaps I should burry a horde in the backyard Angus On Oct 21, 7:02 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Yes, fellow cyclists. The time approaches. The rumors have begun, of > course. You've read them here and elsewhere. Soon, more signs will > appear. The unusual "out-of-stock" labels will emerge at previously > reliable suppliers, as those not wishing to be caught with excess > inventory fail to purchase. Then the odd stalwart merchant will be > willing but unable to purchase, as the hoarders buy up product; more > out-of-stock captions will be seen. Then the early 'Bay-ers will sell, > with seemingly silly high reserves. Yet sell they will. Later, the > hoarders will let loose. The sales will be massive blowouts. They will > not last long. The late 'Bay-ers will try to ride the wave, buying and > selling like '90s day-traders. Then, nothing. Quiet stillness > descends. A small trickle will bubble forth, only to quickly become > erratic and scarce; only those "in-the-know" will have access. And > then, finally, we'll all realize what has come to pass... > > 8-pocalypse > > In the aftermath, the successful searcher will ride happily but > warily, trying not to draw attention to the chain's thickness, the > front derailer's width, the cogs' spacing. Such wariness will prove > unwarranted, however. soon the "market" will deem 8-speed equipment > not "inexpensive" but "cheap". Not "hearty", "heavy". Not "reliable", > "retro". Those that "have" need not worry; those that lack won't want. > > The faithful will proceed the way the 6-and-7-coggers, freewheelers, > and steerer-threaders did before them, wondering how to protect the > stash, researching the aging process of grease, asking "Is metal > fatigue a factor of actual use? Mere age?" And often paying boutique > prices for modest product. > > Oh well. At least this is the 21st century; we'll always have that > Great Support Group In The Sky, the Webbernet. > > Yours, > Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
I recently purchased a number of "newly produced" Shimano 6 & 7 speed freewheels from my LBS. The six speed FW on my Atlantis is working very well so far. The only odd thing about them was the white "Shimano" lettering on the large cog. The change from 7 speeds to 6 was almost not noticable. They were about $20 each. Perhaps I should burry a horde in the backyard Angus On Oct 21, 7:02 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Yes, fellow cyclists. The time approaches. The rumors have begun, of > course. You've read them here and elsewhere. Soon, more signs will > appear. The unusual "out-of-stock" labels will emerge at previously > reliable suppliers, as those not wishing to be caught with excess > inventory fail to purchase. Then the odd stalwart merchant will be > willing but unable to purchase, as the hoarders buy up product; more > out-of-stock captions will be seen. Then the early 'Bay-ers will sell, > with seemingly silly high reserves. Yet sell they will. Later, the > hoarders will let loose. The sales will be massive blowouts. They will > not last long. The late 'Bay-ers will try to ride the wave, buying and > selling like '90s day-traders. Then, nothing. Quiet stillness > descends. A small trickle will bubble forth, only to quickly become > erratic and scarce; only those "in-the-know" will have access. And > then, finally, we'll all realize what has come to pass... > > 8-pocalypse > > In the aftermath, the successful searcher will ride happily but > warily, trying not to draw attention to the chain's thickness, the > front derailer's width, the cogs' spacing. Such wariness will prove > unwarranted, however. soon the "market" will deem 8-speed equipment > not "inexpensive" but "cheap". Not "hearty", "heavy". Not "reliable", > "retro". Those that "have" need not worry; those that lack won't want. > > The faithful will proceed the way the 6-and-7-coggers, freewheelers, > and steerer-threaders did before them, wondering how to protect the > stash, researching the aging process of grease, asking "Is metal > fatigue a factor of actual use? Mere age?" And often paying boutique > prices for modest product. > > Oh well. At least this is the 21st century; we'll always have that > Great Support Group In The Sky, the Webbernet. > > Yours, > Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
"What you identify with is all to do with content; whereas the unconscious compulsion to identify is structural. It is one of the most basic ways in which the egoic mind operates. Paradoxically, what keeps the so called consumer society going is the fact that trying to find yourself through things doesn't work: The ego satisfaction is short lived and so you keep looking for more, keep buying, keep consuming. ... No ego can last for long without the need for more. Therefore, wanting keeps the ego alive much more than having. The ego wants to want more than it wants to have. And so the shallow satisfaction of having is always replaced by more wanting. This is the psychological need for more, that is to say, more things to identify with. It is an addictive need, not an authentic one." Eckhardt Tolle. The New Earth. pp 36 & 46. Michael On Oct 21, 8:02 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Yes, fellow cyclists. The time approaches. The rumors have begun, of > course. You've read them here and elsewhere. Soon, more signs will > appear. The unusual "out-of-stock" labels will emerge at previously > reliable suppliers, as those not wishing to be caught with excess > inventory fail to purchase. Then the odd stalwart merchant will be > willing but unable to purchase, as the hoarders buy up product; more > out-of-stock captions will be seen. Then the early 'Bay-ers will sell, > with seemingly silly high reserves. Yet sell they will. Later, the > hoarders will let loose. The sales will be massive blowouts. They will > not last long. The late 'Bay-ers will try to ride the wave, buying and > selling like '90s day-traders. Then, nothing. Quiet stillness > descends. A small trickle will bubble forth, only to quickly become > erratic and scarce; only those "in-the-know" will have access. And > then, finally, we'll all realize what has come to pass... > > 8-pocalypse > > In the aftermath, the successful searcher will ride happily but > warily, trying not to draw attention to the chain's thickness, the > front derailer's width, the cogs' spacing. Such wariness will prove > unwarranted, however. soon the "market" will deem 8-speed equipment > not "inexpensive" but "cheap". Not "hearty", "heavy". Not "reliable", > "retro". Those that "have" need not worry; those that lack won't want. > > The faithful will proceed the way the 6-and-7-coggers, freewheelers, > and steerer-threaders did before them, wondering how to protect the > stash, researching the aging process of grease, asking "Is metal > fatigue a factor of actual use? Mere age?" And often paying boutique > prices for modest product. > > Oh well. At least this is the 21st century; we'll always have that > Great Support Group In The Sky, the Webbernet. > > Yours, > Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
On Oct 21, 5:02 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Yes, fellow cyclists. The time approaches. The rumors have begun, of > course. You've read them here and elsewhere. Soon, more signs will > appear. The unusual "out-of-stock" labels will emerge at previously > reliable suppliers, as those not wishing to be caught with excess > inventory fail to purchase. Then the odd stalwart merchant will be > willing but unable to purchase, as the hoarders buy up product; more > out-of-stock captions will be seen. Then the early 'Bay-ers will sell, > with seemingly silly high reserves. Yet sell they will. Later, the > hoarders will let loose. The sales will be massive blowouts. They will > not last long. The late 'Bay-ers will try to ride the wave, buying and > selling like '90s day-traders. Then, nothing. Quiet stillness > descends. A small trickle will bubble forth, only to quickly become > erratic and scarce; only those "in-the-know" will have access. And > then, finally, we'll all realize what has come to pass... > > 8-pocalypse > > In the aftermath, the successful searcher will ride happily but > warily, trying not to draw attention to the chain's thickness, the > front derailer's width, the cogs' spacing. Such wariness will prove > unwarranted, however. soon the "market" will deem 8-speed equipment > not "inexpensive" but "cheap". Not "hearty", "heavy". Not "reliable", > "retro". Those that "have" need not worry; those that lack won't want. > > The faithful will proceed the way the 6-and-7-coggers, freewheelers, > and steerer-threaders did before them, wondering how to protect the > stash, researching the aging process of grease, asking "Is metal > fatigue a factor of actual use? Mere age?" And often paying boutique > prices for modest product. > > Oh well. At least this is the 21st century; we'll always have that > Great Support Group In The Sky, the Webbernet. > This is pretty funny, but oh so true! I'm alerting all of my buddies still using 8 speed to stock up NOW!! Thanks, Brewster -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
