Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[P W]

Trevor, love your Bombadil! Would build one very close to that, if I ever
had the chance.

What bars are those on it?

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 4:40 AM Trevor Bradshaw 
wrote:

> Late to the party but I absolutely love my Bombadil. Sure it's pretty and
> popular with twin top tube enthusiasts but it also performs well off-road.
> Originally in a touring setup, I swapped a few things around just in time
> for a 65-mile ride through Hickman County, TN at an organized gravel event.
> While other's bikes were snapping and getting mechanicals, this bike easily
> cruised through the muddy day up and down into creeks and hollows. No
> flats, just lots and lots of mud, and a perfect adventure for the
> well-built Bombadil.
>
> "I LOVE your bike. I can't believe you are getting that thing dirty."
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Luke Hendrickson]

I gotta see that when it’s painted!
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 5:57:01 PM UTC-8 mitchel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Recently scored a 64cm Bombadil Prototype - currently getting blasted and 
> painted @ D&D ! Reading these Bombadil articles have got me real stoked!
> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 8:56:54 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the links, Gino. 
>>
>> Here in 2023 I think we'd all be down for a Bombadil at $1,600 for the 
>> frame and fork. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:17:41 PM UTC-5 Gino Zahnd wrote:
>>
>>> In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos 
>>> from then:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730
>>>
>>> And my review of it in 2008:
>>>
>>> https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Mitch]

Recently scored a 64cm Bombadil Prototype - currently getting blasted and 
painted @ D&D ! Reading these Bombadil articles have got me real stoked!
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 8:56:54 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the links, Gino. 
>
> Here in 2023 I think we'd all be down for a Bombadil at $1,600 for the 
> frame and fork. 
>
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:17:41 PM UTC-5 Gino Zahnd wrote:
>
>> In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos 
>> from then:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730
>>
>> And my review of it in 2008:
>>
>> https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the links, Gino. 

Here in 2023 I think we'd all be down for a Bombadil at $1,600 for the 
frame and fork. 

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:17:41 PM UTC-5 Gino Zahnd wrote:

> In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos 
> from then:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730
>
> And my review of it in 2008:
>
> https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Gino Zahnd]

In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos from 
then:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730

And my review of it in 2008:
https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Leslie]

That was exactly what I spec'd it as, since they were kinda semi-custom, I 
wanted the Ram orange on it.(My Ram is a green one, but then I later 
found a tall Ram frame for my son, so we've got two Ram orange bikes and 
then my canti-Rom is that light silverish blue color.)

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:52:33 AM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:

> Leslie, is your frame painted the same color as the Orange Rambouillet?  
> Did you have it painted or did it come from Riv like that?  If I ever get 
> my Hunqapillar repainted it will match the original Rams.  
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:32:36 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:
>
>> I'd originally put a deposit down on a normal Bomba (56, a 650b);  then 
>> they started talking about the diaga-Bomba, and I called in, paid the diff, 
>> upgraded to it instead.  
>>
>> When I first built up my Bomba, I was running 2.4 NeoMotos on it (under 
>> fenders).I then tried out swapping to my 700c wheelset off my Ram 
>> (ended up converting the Ram to 650b). 
>> Later went to non-knobbies, then robbed that cockpit for my son's Ram.   
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
>>> seller).
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>>>

 There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
 Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
 remember the longer bolt being included.
 [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
 - Frank
 On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify 
> for the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.
>
> [image: B72side s.jpg]
>
> [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, 
>> find a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
>> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty 
>> well 
>> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the 
>>> Breezer Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, 
>>> used 
>>> to be on my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 
>>> years 
>>> ago) with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>

 Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
 https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
 On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
>> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
>> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
>> Rosco 
>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
>> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>>
>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
>> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat, 
>>  Kent 
>> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>
>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jennings]

Leslie, is your frame painted the same color as the Orange Rambouillet?  
Did you have it painted or did it come from Riv like that?  If I ever get 
my Hunqapillar repainted it will match the original Rams.  

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:32:36 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:

> I'd originally put a deposit down on a normal Bomba (56, a 650b);  then 
> they started talking about the diaga-Bomba, and I called in, paid the diff, 
> upgraded to it instead.  
>
> When I first built up my Bomba, I was running 2.4 NeoMotos on it (under 
> fenders).I then tried out swapping to my 700c wheelset off my Ram 
> (ended up converting the Ram to 650b). 
> Later went to non-knobbies, then robbed that cockpit for my son's Ram.   
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
>   
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
>> seller).
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
>>> Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
>>> remember the longer bolt being included.
>>> [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
>>> - Frank
>>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify 
 for the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.

 [image: B72side s.jpg]

 [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]

 Laing


 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, 
> find a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty 
> well 
> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer 
>> Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be 
>> on 
>> my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) 
>> with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
>>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
 condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.

 JohnS


 On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
> Rosco 
> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>
> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  
> Kent 
> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>
> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>
> JohnS
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Leslie]

I'd originally put a deposit down on a normal Bomba (56, a 650b);  then 
they started talking about the diaga-Bomba, and I called in, paid the diff, 
upgraded to it instead.  

When I first built up my Bomba, I was running 2.4 NeoMotos on it (under 
fenders).I then tried out swapping to my 700c wheelset off my Ram 
(ended up converting the Ram to 650b). 
Later went to non-knobbies, then robbed that cockpit for my son's Ram.   

https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
  



On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
> seller).
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ
>
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>
>>
>> There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
>> Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
>> remember the longer bolt being included.
>> [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
>> - Frank
>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify for 
>>> the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.
>>>
>>> [image: B72side s.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, 
 find a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
 Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty 
 well 
 with the B-72 on my Hunq.

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer 
> Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be 
> on 
> my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) 
> with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>>
>> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
 Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
 Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
 Rosco 
 Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
 Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.

 Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
 Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  
 Kent 
 Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).

 Laing


 On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
 Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

 Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

 JohnS



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[greenteadrinkers]

Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
seller).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:

>
> There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
> Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
> remember the longer bolt being included.
> [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
> - Frank
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify for 
>> the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.
>>
>> [image: B72side s.jpg]
>>
>> [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, find 
>>> a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
>>> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty well 
>>> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer 
 Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be 
 on 
 my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) 
 with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.

 Laing

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

>
> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
>>> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
>>> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
>>> Rosco 
>>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>>>
>>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
>>> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  
>>> Kent 
>>> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>>
>>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[James M]

Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, find a 
3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had Shapeways 
print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty well with the 
B-72 on my Hunq.

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer Seat 
> Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be on my 
> fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) with a 
> black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>>
>> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
 Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
 Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco 
 Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
 Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.

 Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 
 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
 (recumbent 3 wheeler).

 Laing


 On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
 Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

 Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

 JohnS



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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Slin]

It’d be cool to see photos or videos of someone riding the bike. I’m 
curious about how the handlebars can be comfy at that angle!


On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:08:20 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> More correctly, mine has a crescent moon above the curly-cue as opposed to 
> the three dots above the curly cue.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:45:44 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> Something that I have noticed is that My Bombadil has a different fork 
>> crown than many. Most seem to have the curly-cue on the crown but mine has 
>> crescent moon, like the Clementine:
>>
>> [image: Curly-Cue.JPG]  
>>
>> [image: bomb2 (2).jpg]  [image: Capture (3).PNG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:16:08 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[lconley]

More correctly, mine has a crescent moon above the curly-cue as opposed to 
the three dots above the curly cue.

Laing

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:45:44 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Something that I have noticed is that My Bombadil has a different fork 
> crown than many. Most seem to have the curly-cue on the crown but mine has 
> crescent moon, like the Clementine:
>
> [image: Curly-Cue.JPG]  
>
> [image: bomb2 (2).jpg]  [image: Capture (3).PNG]
>
> Laing
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:16:08 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[lconley]

After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer Seat 
Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be on my 
fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) with a 
black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.

Laing

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

>
> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
>>> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
>>> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco 
>>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>>>
>>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 
>>> 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
>>> (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>>
>>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Brian Turner]

That was great… but “balloon tire bike”?? On Feb 6, 2023, at 7:29 AM, maxcr  wrote:Enjoy, Johns article is up: https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.JohnSOn Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).LaingOn Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)JohnS



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[maxcr]

Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery 
>> Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell 
>> Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
>> Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has 
>> been sold since the picture was taken.
>>
>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 
>> Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
>> (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>
>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[JohnS]

Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.

JohnS


On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery 
> Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell 
> Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
> Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has 
> been sold since the picture was taken.
>
> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 
> Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
> (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>
> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>
> JohnS
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[lconley]

8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery 
Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell 
Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has 
been sold since the picture was taken.

Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 
Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
(recumbent 3 wheeler).

Laing

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[JohnS]

Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

JohnS


On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:21:15 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:28:29 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
> One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 
>
> It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and relatively 
> traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming meant more 
> for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting lnger and 
> more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the Bombadils in 
> terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under the 
> impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always from 
> what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 
>
> It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
> were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
> physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 
>
> Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a 
> hunqapillar and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back 
> oriented designs? 
>
>
> Mackenzey, You have it correct in that the Bombas were a bit longer in 
> reach and front-center overall. There's no direct comparing them as the 
> frame sizes were never the same, save the 48cm. If the H frames were an 
> equal to or greater than the B in terms of stack, reach and f-c I would 
> have purchased one, but they were not.  Even the 62 H didn't have the 
> reach/f-c of 60 B.The 60 B from the original batch is dimensionally "just 
> right" for me. 
>
> The frames in mass didn't go looong-er in the font end until the 2019 Clem 
> update. Well, not all of them did, not the road bikes. But all the others 
> went much longer than previous. As if everyone wants or needs to ride with 
> a vertical posture ? (Rhetorically) Hah hah  certainly 
> not...(Me,We,Thee) !  To me the whole lengthening of the bikes is from the 
> belief in the vertical posture(ride like a horseman) thing and long 
> chainstays. Having the rear end long, without the front long, and sitting 
> vertically, well I could sense that as being a bit unbalanced feeling. 
> (opinion here) Well gee, the vertical benefit thing is assumptive to begin 
> with so there is no cure/compensation for it. If the stays weren't so 
> long the front end wouldn't need to be so long either, like how the Bomba 
> is. Of course one can still ride posture-vertical on any bike if that's 
> your thing, you certainly don't need surfboard length to do it. 
>
> In regards to decals mine has none, as it had the original font style that 
> to me, just didn't fit the bike. I prefer no brandings/names of frames 
> anyways. Create a cool looking(subjective, I know) small "LaBomba" or "Mad 
> Bomba" sticker and maybe I'd consider it   ((( laughing ))). The 
> frame/form speaks for itself though and doesn't need anything more. 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Garth]

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:28:29 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 

It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and relatively 
traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming meant more 
for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting lnger and 
more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the Bombadils in 
terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under the 
impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always from 
what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 

It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 

Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a hunqapillar 
and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back oriented 
designs? 


Mackenzey, You have it correct in that the Bombas were a bit longer in 
reach and front-center overall. There's no direct comparing them as the 
frame sizes were never the same, save the 48cm. If the H frames were an 
equal to or greater than the B in terms of stack, reach and f-c I would 
have purchased one, but they were not.  Even the 62 H didn't have the 
reach/f-c of 60 B.The 60 B from the original batch is dimensionally "just 
right" for me. 

The frames in mass didn't go looong-er in the font end until the 2019 Clem 
update. Well, not all of them did, not the road bikes. But all the others 
went much longer than previous. As if everyone wants or needs to ride with 
a vertical posture ? (Rhetorically) Hah hah  certainly 
not...(Me,We,Thee) !  To me the whole lengthening of the bikes is from the 
belief in the vertical posture(ride like a horseman) thing and long 
chainstays. Having the rear end long, without the front long, and sitting 
vertically, well I could sense that as being a bit unbalanced feeling. 
(opinion here) Well gee, the vertical benefit thing is assumptive to begin 
with so there is no cure/compensation for it. If the stays weren't so 
long the front end wouldn't need to be so long either, like how the Bomba 
is. Of course one can still ride posture-vertical on any bike if that's 
your thing, you certainly don't need surfboard length to do it. 

In regards to decals mine has none, as it had the original font style that 
to me, just didn't fit the bike. I prefer no brandings/names of frames 
anyways. Create a cool looking(subjective, I know) small "LaBomba" or "Mad 
Bomba" sticker and maybe I'd consider it   ((( laughing ))). The 
frame/form speaks for itself though and doesn't need anything more. 







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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

That should have been "advertised 46cm chainstay".   

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:44:29 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> For years, RBW's geometry for the 54cm Hunqapillar was incorrect in saying 
> it had a 58cm ETT  when in fact, it had a 59.9 cm ETT.  I have a schematic 
> of the 54 Hunqapillar with the 59.9 length and it also shows 47cm 
> chainstays, instead of the advertised 56cm.  I confirmed with Will that the 
> 59.9 ETT is correct.  
>
> [image: Copy of 00.jpg]
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 3:28:29 PM UTC-6 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 
>>
>> It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and 
>> relatively traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming 
>> meant more for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting 
>> lnger and more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the 
>> Bombadils in terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under 
>> the impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always 
>> from what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 
>>
>> It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
>> were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
>> physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 
>>
>> Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a 
>> hunqapillar and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back 
>> oriented designs? 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 
>>>
>>> Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
>>> shirt with that design. 
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:
>>>
 Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my 
 absolute favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized 
 expedition i owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was 
 selling when these first came out.  

 On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for 
> John's yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>
> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
> Max
> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
>>> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>>>
>>> Happy holidays,
>>> Vern in San Francisco
>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 
>>> foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
 associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
 keeps 
 up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like 
 a 
 swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
 info 
 flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
 me. 

 On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:

> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
> remaining 
> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
> too 
> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the 
> less 
> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
> people 
> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my 
> frame 
> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides 
> surprisingly 
> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
> with 
> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
>> only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  
>> In

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Mackenzy Albright]

One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 

It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and relatively 
traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming meant more 
for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting lnger and 
more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the Bombadils in 
terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under the 
impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always from 
what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 

It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 

Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a hunqapillar 
and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back oriented 
designs? 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 
>
> Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
> shirt with that design. 
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:
>
>> Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my absolute 
>> favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized expedition i 
>> owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was selling when 
>> these first came out.  
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for 
>>> John's yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
>>> Max
>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?

 On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>
> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>
> Happy holidays,
> Vern in San Francisco
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 
> foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
>> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
>> keeps 
>> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a 
>> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
>> info 
>> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
>> me. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
>>> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
>>> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
>>> remaining 
>>> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
>>> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
>>> too 
>>> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the 
>>> less 
>>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
>>> people 
>>> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
>>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my 
>>> frame 
>>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
>>> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
>>> with 
>>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
>>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
>>> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
 only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In 
 the 
 following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed 
 quite a 
 collection of Hunqapillar photos.  

 One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest 
 Hunqapillars have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the 
 sides but on some bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no 
 point 
 on some bikes and pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if 
 this 
 factor differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo 
 made 
 some, it seems like they did) ones.  

 The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  

 [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]


>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 

Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
shirt with that design. 
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:

> Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my absolute 
> favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized expedition i 
> owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was selling when 
> these first came out.  
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for John's 
>> yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>>
>> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
>> Max
>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
 Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!

 [image: IMG_9161.jpg]

 Happy holidays,
 Vern in San Francisco
 On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
> keeps 
> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a 
> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
> info 
> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
> me. 
>
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
>> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
>> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
>> remaining 
>> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
>> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
>> too 
>> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the less 
>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
>> people 
>> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my frame 
>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
>> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
>> with 
>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
>> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
>>> only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In 
>>> the 
>>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed 
>>> quite a 
>>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>>
>>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest 
>>> Hunqapillars have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the 
>>> sides but on some bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no 
>>> point 
>>> on some bikes and pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if 
>>> this 
>>> factor differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo 
>>> made 
>>> some, it seems like they did) ones.  
>>>
>>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>>
>>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 006.jpg]
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 
>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 All,

 I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original 
 Hunqabook" PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you 
 go.

 On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim 
 wrote:

> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
> Tolkien names.
>
> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during 
> a visit to RBWHQ&L. It was the same as he later wrote in one of the 
> Readers. 
>
> The first Hunqapillar I eve

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Luke Hendrickson]

Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?

On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:

> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>
> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>
> Happy holidays,
> Vern in San Francisco
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
>> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It keeps 
>> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a 
>> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq info 
>> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to me. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered from 
>>> the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to somebody 
>>> else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the remaining 54CM 
>>> from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more ornate 
>>> lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were too 
>>> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the less 
>>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything people 
>>> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
>>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my frame 
>>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
>>> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides with 
>>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
>>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
>>> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
 recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
 following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
 collection of Hunqapillar photos.  

 One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
 have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on 
 some 
 bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
 pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
 differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
 it seems like they did) ones.  

 The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  

 [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]


 This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug

 [image: 005 (2).jpg]


 I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
 Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug

 [image: 006.jpg]
 On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 
 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> All,
>
> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original 
> Hunqabook" PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>
> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
>> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
>> Tolkien names.
>>
>> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
>> visit to RBWHQ&L. It was the same as he later wrote in one of the 
>> Readers. 
>>
>> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
>> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
>> Flickr feed - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00&view_all=1&text=hunqapillar
>>
>> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
>> visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in 
>> production - 
>> this image shows an unpainted model - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
>> (taken mid-2010)
>>
>> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
>> kidney bean red - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
>>> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
>>> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Trevor Bradshaw]

Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I associate 
"overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It keeps up with a 
casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a swiss army 
knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq info flowing. 
They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to me. 

On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:

> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered from 
> the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to somebody 
> else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the remaining 54CM 
> from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more ornate 
> lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were too 
> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the less 
> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything people 
> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my frame 
> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides with 
> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
>> recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>
>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
>> have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on some 
>> bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
>> pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
>> differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
>> it seems like they did) ones.  
>>
>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>
>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>
>>
>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>
>>
>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 006.jpg]
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original Hunqabook" 
>>> PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
 "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
 Tolkien names.

 Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
 visit to RBWHQ&L. It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 

 The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
 I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
 Flickr feed - 

 https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00&view_all=1&text=hunqapillar

 There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
 visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production 
 - 
 this image shows an unpainted model - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
 (taken mid-2010)

 For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
 kidney bean red - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF

 J


 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my 
> knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Joe Bernard]

You are correct sir. I had my custom built to be kind of light/flexy for 
mostly road riding with light loads. I later picked up the Bombadil you now 
own and found that it felt pretty much like a shorter wheelbase version of 
my custom! I presume it would carry more stuff - especially with that 
second toptube - but it's very far from a tank. 

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:25:40 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I know some people find romance in a bike being described as 
> stout-as-all-get-out, or sturdy enough to survive an apocalypse; for me, 
> that is is a turn-off: I want a bike that is as strong and stiff as I need 
> it to be, but ideally no more than necessary. Especially in the case of 
> steel, because much of the beauty of steel is how it flexes and springs as 
> it works with you during a ride.  So on paper, the Bombadil is not right 
> for me at all (I'm 160lbs) but yet I find it rides lighter and more lively 
> than its tubing spec would ever suggest - certainly, still a pretty solid 
> bike, but nothing 'tank like' about it.  I presume the same is true of the 
> Hunq.  I suppose that's true of all Rivs - they tend to ride lighter and 
> livelier than their specs on paper would suggest. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 13:36:35 UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Overbuilt is exactly the word I think of when it comes to my Bombadil. 
>> It's perfect just like some of the early ATB of yesteryear. Perfect for a 
>> bomb cyclone! Happy holidays everyone!
>>
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:26:48 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
>>> recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
>>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
>>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>>
>>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
>>> have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on some 
>>> bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
>>> pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
>>> differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
>>> it seems like they did) ones.  
>>>
>>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>>
>>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 006.jpg]
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All,

 I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original 
 Hunqabook" PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.

 On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim 
 wrote:

> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
> Tolkien names.
>
> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
> visit to RBWHQ&L. It was the same as he later wrote in one of the 
> Readers. 
>
> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
> Flickr feed - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00&view_all=1&text=hunqapillar
>
> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
> visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production 
> - 
> this image shows an unpainted model - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
> (taken mid-2010)
>
> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
> kidney bean red - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF
>
> J
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
>> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
>> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
>> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>>
>> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
>> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
>> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific 
>> White 
>> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my 
>> knowledge 
>> — are current generati

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

I know some people find romance in a bike being described as 
stout-as-all-get-out, or sturdy enough to survive an apocalypse; for me, 
that is is a turn-off: I want a bike that is as strong and stiff as I need 
it to be, but ideally no more than necessary. Especially in the case of 
steel, because much of the beauty of steel is how it flexes and springs as 
it works with you during a ride.  So on paper, the Bombadil is not right 
for me at all (I'm 160lbs) but yet I find it rides lighter and more lively 
than its tubing spec would ever suggest - certainly, still a pretty solid 
bike, but nothing 'tank like' about it.  I presume the same is true of the 
Hunq.  I suppose that's true of all Rivs - they tend to ride lighter and 
livelier than their specs on paper would suggest. 



On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 13:36:35 UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Overbuilt is exactly the word I think of when it comes to my Bombadil. 
> It's perfect just like some of the early ATB of yesteryear. Perfect for a 
> bomb cyclone! Happy holidays everyone!
>
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:26:48 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
>> recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>
>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
>> have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on some 
>> bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
>> pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
>> differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
>> it seems like they did) ones.  
>>
>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>
>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>
>>
>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>
>>
>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 006.jpg]
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original Hunqabook" 
>>> PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
 "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
 Tolkien names.

 Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
 visit to RBWHQ&L. It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 

 The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
 I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
 Flickr feed - 

 https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00&view_all=1&text=hunqapillar

 There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
 visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production 
 - 
 this image shows an unpainted model - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
 (taken mid-2010)

 For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
 kidney bean red - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF

 J


 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my 
> knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I 
> need 
> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit 
> contemporary 
> components.
>
> Jay Lonner
>
 Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent fro

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thank you for sharing, Captain.  I do not believe I've ever seen that 
before and also likely my first glimpse of the original Hunqa drawing for 
the headbadge.  Looks like that tall Bombadil in the brochure is the same 
one captured by Jim at HQ as well.

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:02:36 AM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> All,
>
> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original Hunqabook" 
> PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>
> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
>> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
>> Tolkien names.
>>
>> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
>> visit to RBWHQ&L. It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 
>>
>> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
>> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) Flickr 
>> feed - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00&view_all=1&text=hunqapillar
>>
>> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I visited. 
>> IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production - this 
>> image shows an unpainted model - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
>> (taken mid-2010)
>>
>> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
>> kidney bean red - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
>>> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
>>> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
>>> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>>>
>>> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
>>> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
>>> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
>>> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge 
>>> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
>>> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
>>> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
>>> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
>>> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need 
>>> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary 
>>> components.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>>
>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:
>>>
>>> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
>>> “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
>>> bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if 
 others have insight. 

 Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
 the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
 Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and 
 other 
 changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 

 Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
 say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
 guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
 Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
 of inspiration as well. 

 Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
 erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
 to be a full-time YouTube person. 
 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself 
>> an 
>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of 
>> his apprec

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was "suggested" 
that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the Tolkien names.

Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a visit 
to RBWHQ&L. It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 

The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) Flickr 
feed - 
https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00&view_all=1&text=hunqapillar

There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I visited. 
IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production - this 
image shows an unpainted model - 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
(taken mid-2010)

For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
kidney bean red - 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF

J


On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and woolly 
> mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when Oliphaunt 
> was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a cease-and-desist from 
> the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I sure 
> love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on the 
> Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need 
> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary 
> components.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:
>
> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
> “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
> bike.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if 
>> others have insight. 
>>
>> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
>> the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
>> Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
>> changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 
>>
>> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
>> say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
>> guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
>> Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
>> of inspiration as well. 
>>
>> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
>> erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
>> to be a full-time YouTube person. 
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
>>> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
>>> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
 might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
 are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
 expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
 I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of 
 his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a 
 main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But 
 then, he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property 
 names and references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, 
 but there may be others:

 Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
 Fellowship of the Ring is formed
 Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
 Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
 Sackville-Bagginses
 Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
 out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
 Middle Earth. Infamously NO

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Marc Irwin]

This thread has been informative and interesting.  I don't know how 
definitive my experience is but here is what I thought when I made the 
decision 12  years ago: 
http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2010/12/elves-of-rivendell-are-delivering-for.html
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 5:00:47 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great write-up, pics and story Willet! 
>
> This thread is really paying off :) 
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Yes, the saga continues! I think it’s plausible that the prototype was 
>> indeed a prototype for both bikes — let’s call it a super heavy duty frame 
>> prototype — even if that was not the intention from the get go. And then 
>> there would have been a split, so to speak, with one going in this 
>> direction and one going in that, each with its own characteristics and 
>> nuances that we could list. In a rough and very imperfect analogy, it could 
>> be akin to a split for identical twins that start out from one, but whose 
>> real-world “gene expression” results in each twin developing their own 
>> personality, having a different appearance in some respects, and different 
>> strengths, weaknesses, and interests. 
>>
>> I know this is a stretch! But without a definitive story straight from 
>> the horse’s mouth, all this sleuthing and piecing together stories and 
>> evidence is the best we’ve got. It’s a fantastic thread. 
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 3:53:56 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
>>> posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
>>> details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
>>> clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
>>> about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
>>> of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
>>> really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
>>> journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
>>> "proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
>>> others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
>>> initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
>>> both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
>>> fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
>>> Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
>>> early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
>>> the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
>>> along.
>>>
>>> Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.
>>>
>>> Willet M.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 

 One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: 
 the Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was 
 ridden by Daniel on the Great Divide.

 From Riv:

 And it's a trail bike.
 The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
 joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
 need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
 *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are 
 vast 
 improvements over that*.

 So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
 Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?



 On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:

>
> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with 
> pics 
> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>
> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others 
> apparently have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
> admire.  And then along co

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Great write-up, pics and story Willet! 

This thread is really paying off :) 

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Yes, the saga continues! I think it’s plausible that the prototype was 
> indeed a prototype for both bikes — let’s call it a super heavy duty frame 
> prototype — even if that was not the intention from the get go. And then 
> there would have been a split, so to speak, with one going in this 
> direction and one going in that, each with its own characteristics and 
> nuances that we could list. In a rough and very imperfect analogy, it could 
> be akin to a split for identical twins that start out from one, but whose 
> real-world “gene expression” results in each twin developing their own 
> personality, having a different appearance in some respects, and different 
> strengths, weaknesses, and interests. 
>
> I know this is a stretch! But without a definitive story straight from the 
> horse’s mouth, all this sleuthing and piecing together stories and evidence 
> is the best we’ve got. It’s a fantastic thread. 
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 3:53:56 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
>> posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
>> details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
>> clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
>> about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
>> of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
>> really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
>> journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
>> "proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
>> others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
>> initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
>> both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
>> fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
>> Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
>> early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
>> the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
>> along.
>>
>> Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 
>>>
>>> One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
>>> Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
>>> Daniel on the Great Divide.
>>>
>>> From Riv:
>>>
>>> And it's a trail bike.
>>> The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
>>> joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
>>> need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
>>> *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
>>> 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
>>> improvements over that*.
>>>
>>> So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
>>> Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>>>

 Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
 definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
 the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with 
 pics 
 and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
 would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
 particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
 thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
 information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.

 My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others 
 apparently have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
 Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
 amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
 custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
 naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
 braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
 admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
 scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.

 Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top 
 of my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for 
 one 
 on ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope 
 of ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I fo

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

Yes, the saga continues! I think it’s plausible that the prototype was 
indeed a prototype for both bikes — let’s call it a super heavy duty frame 
prototype — even if that was not the intention from the get go. And then 
there would have been a split, so to speak, with one going in this 
direction and one going in that, each with its own characteristics and 
nuances that we could list. In a rough and very imperfect analogy, it could 
be akin to a split for identical twins that start out from one, but whose 
real-world “gene expression” results in each twin developing their own 
personality, having a different appearance in some respects, and different 
strengths, weaknesses, and interests. 

I know this is a stretch! But without a definitive story straight from the 
horse’s mouth, all this sleuthing and piecing together stories and evidence 
is the best we’ve got. It’s a fantastic thread. 
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 3:53:56 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:

>
> Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
> posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
> details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
> clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
> about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
> of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
> really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
> journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
> "proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
> others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
> initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
> both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
> fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
> Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
> early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
> the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
> along.
>
> Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.
>
> Willet M.
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 
>>
>> One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
>> Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
>> Daniel on the Great Divide.
>>
>> From Riv:
>>
>> And it's a trail bike.
>> The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
>> joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
>> need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
>> *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
>> 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
>> improvements over that*.
>>
>> So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
>> Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
>>> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
>>> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with pics 
>>> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
>>> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
>>> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
>>> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
>>> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>>>
>>> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others apparently 
>>> have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
>>> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
>>> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
>>> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
>>> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
>>> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
>>> admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
>>> scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.
>>>
>>> Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top 
>>> of my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for one 
>>> on ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope 
>>> of ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I found it.  But 
>>> then, out of the blue, popped up on ebay in October of 2019 this repainted 
>>> Protovelo that had started out life naked and with a very interesting 
>>> history.  Below is a pic and some description (in italics) of that 
>>> frameset,

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
"proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
along.

Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.

Willet M.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 
>
> One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
> Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
> Daniel on the Great Divide.
>
> From Riv:
>
> And it's a trail bike.
> The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
> joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
> need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
> *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
> 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
> improvements over that*.
>
> So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
> Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
>> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
>> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with pics 
>> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
>> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
>> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
>> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
>> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>>
>> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others apparently 
>> have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
>> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
>> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
>> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
>> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
>> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
>> admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
>> scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.
>>
>> Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top of 
>> my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for one on 
>> ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope of 
>> ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I found it.  But 
>> then, out of the blue, popped up on ebay in October of 2019 this repainted 
>> Protovelo that had started out life naked and with a very interesting 
>> history.  Below is a pic and some description (in italics) of that 
>> frameset, shown built and complete in a for-sale posting by Erik from 
>> Oakland on this forum from April of 2018.  
>>
>> 
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> *60cm ish upsloper, fits me like a glove. 93 is my PBH. All my other riv 
>> bikes have been 62 to 66cm. Second top tube is beautifully fillet brazed. I 
>> liked the improved standover compared to my 62cm Hunqapillar. The bike has 
>> a slightly higher bottom bracket though and a slightly shorter set of 
>> chainstays than the eventual production Bombadil - I like how nimble it 
>> felt by comparison. Way shreddier than my old Toyo Hunqapillar, it carves 
>> turns - after I got this bike the hunqapillar was sold. Best bike I have 
>> ever owned, to be certain.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *It's built for resilience and singletrack adventuring. Before I rebuilt 
>> it from the repainted frame, a raw clearcoated it rolled down the 
>> continental divide with Daniel from Tumbleweed Bikes. Some scratches, but 
>> cared for in my travels with it and r

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 

One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
Daniel on the Great Divide.

>From Riv:

And it's a trail bike.
The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged joints 
should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you need 
fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
*Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
improvements over that*.

So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto Hunqapillar 
were the same proto frames. Right?



On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:

>
> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with pics 
> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>
> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others apparently 
> have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
> admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
> scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.
>
> Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top of 
> my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for one on 
> ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope of 
> ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I found it.  But 
> then, out of the blue, popped up on ebay in October of 2019 this repainted 
> Protovelo that had started out life naked and with a very interesting 
> history.  Below is a pic and some description (in italics) of that 
> frameset, shown built and complete in a for-sale posting by Erik from 
> Oakland on this forum from April of 2018.  
>
> 
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> *60cm ish upsloper, fits me like a glove. 93 is my PBH. All my other riv 
> bikes have been 62 to 66cm. Second top tube is beautifully fillet brazed. I 
> liked the improved standover compared to my 62cm Hunqapillar. The bike has 
> a slightly higher bottom bracket though and a slightly shorter set of 
> chainstays than the eventual production Bombadil - I like how nimble it 
> felt by comparison. Way shreddier than my old Toyo Hunqapillar, it carves 
> turns - after I got this bike the hunqapillar was sold. Best bike I have 
> ever owned, to be certain.*
>
>
>
> *It's built for resilience and singletrack adventuring. Before I rebuilt 
> it from the repainted frame, a raw clearcoated it rolled down the 
> continental divide with Daniel from Tumbleweed Bikes. Some scratches, but 
> cared for in my travels with it and riding like new. I can equip it with 
> Albatross or Raw Bullmoose bars. Right now it has albatross bars. Paul 
> Cantis, Paul Levers, Paul Thumbies. 3 Bottle Cages. Hands on wheels, 
> shimano hubs, heavy rims (I think cliffhangers) front and rear. Will 
> include a set of knobbies. Also happy to include a porteur rack up front if 
> you want it.*
> *This bike has ridden me through many a mile of twisting californian 
> backcountry, and has thousands of miles to go.*
>
> *
>
> Of particular interest to me in the posting above from Erik was the 
> reference to Daniel from Tumbleweed having taken this particular Protovelo, 
> with Grant's blessing, on an epic adventure down the Great Divide Route.  I 
> later found another reference to this trip in a thread from Daniel Molloy 
> of Tumbleweed Bikes on Reddit, where he talks about how he got interested 
> in bikes and started out at RBW.  A snippit of that conversation is below 
> in italics.  
>
> ***
>
> *RipVanBinkle* 
> *·4 yr. ago 
> *
>
> *What was your time at Riv like? How did you end up there? Any majo

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

My first run gray/orange Hunqapillar fits Antelope Hills (700 x 55) on Dyad 
rims with plenty of clearance.  

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:

> James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René 
> Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 
> 58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS 
> fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum 
> width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
>> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
>> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
>> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means 
 a lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
 first ride on the rebuild after paint.

 I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
 lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
 two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
 Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
 clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
 little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
 made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
 simplifying the design a bit. 

 To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails 
 loaded or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as 
 you're not in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, 
 it really comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) 
 details on the Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and 
 geometry specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and 
 Atlantis - basically two flavors of the same bike.   

  

 On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Garth]

FWIW, my 2010 or so 700c 60cm Waterford Bomba could clear 65mm fenders with 
ease using cantilever brakes. I have SKS 53mm ones on there no and they 
have plenty of room. The 65 require just a smidge of modification for the 
fork blades. I bought some VO's but decided against using them unless I 
modified the lower front mount to go down lover as the stock holes are 
right where your toes could catch on them. Sheesh  The canti's I've 
used are the Shimano MC-70's, M732/34/whatever, and Dia Compe 988's. If you 
chop off the trailing portion of wonky Kool Stop offset and too long posted 
pads, they will clear the stays. I hate long/offest pads that don't clear 
the stays, just the dumbest design, ever. Dia Compe 988's come with road 
sized, centered smooth post pads, those are the best !  Stock Suntour XC 
Pro pads are that size too. Longer pads offer no better braking. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

Jay, I run cantis. I’ve never used Motolites or any other V brakes. I’m 
stubborn about some things and I just love my cantis! I’m curious if the 
Motolites would work, though — if anyone else reading this has tried them 
with the 65 SKS, please chime in. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 11:12:44 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Are you using cantis or linear pull brakes with the 65 SKS fenders? When 
> my Big Bens wear out I’m thinking of switching to Antelope Hills, and am 
> hoping they’ll work with Motolites and fenders. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA 
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 14, 2022, at 5:35 PM, J J  wrote:
>
> James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René 
> Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 
> 58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS 
> fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum 
> width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
>> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
>> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
>> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means 
 a lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
 first ride on the rebuild after paint.

 I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
 lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
 two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
 Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
 clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
 little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
 made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
 simplifying the design a bit. 

 To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails 
 loaded or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as 
 you're not in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, 
 it really comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) 
 details on the Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and 
 geometry specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and 
 Atlantis - basically two flavors of the same bike.   

  

 On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jay Lonner]

Are you using cantis or linear pull brakes with the 65 SKS fenders? When my Big Bens wear out I’m thinking of switching to Antelope Hills, and am hoping they’ll work with Motolites and fenders. Jay LonnerBellingham, WA Sent from my Atari 400On Dec 14, 2022, at 5:35 PM, J J  wrote:James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?JamesOn Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove the location of manufacture from the equation. On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, first ride on the rebuild after paint.I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by simplifying the design a bit. To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis - basically two flavors of the same bike.    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the origins and intended uses of these frames. I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these bikes along with pictures of builds. Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another thread, there's some great info there. The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdfThe first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here. Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had to stop using Tolkien names. 



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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René 
Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 
58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS 
fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum 
width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Hoch in ut]

I had a green one. 700c. Clearance and wheelbase appeared to be essentially 
the same. I couldn’t fit anything bigger than Thunder Burt’s. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:37:40 PM UTC-7 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

Ahh, unfortunately the 700c models had 2.1" clearance like the Bombadil,
it's the 26" and 650B models had more generous clearance (I'm just going by
an old geometry chart, not real world experience)

On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 4:37 PM James M  wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove
>> the location of manufacture from the equation.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day,
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by
>>> simplifying the design a bit.
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs.
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the
 origins and intended uses of these frames.

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about
 these bikes along with pictures of builds.

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another
 thread
 ,
  there's
 some great info there.

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here:
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images.

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon.

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg]

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW
 had to stop using Tolkien names.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[James M]

What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?

James

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>
> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>
>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
>> has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
>> anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>
>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
the location of manufacture from the equation. 

On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>
> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
> has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
> anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
> simplifying the design a bit. 
>
> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
first ride on the rebuild after paint.

I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
simplifying the design a bit. 

To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded or 
not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not in 
too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really comes 
down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
- basically two flavors of the same bike.   

 

On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[RichS]

Bombadil and Hunqapillar—two of the best names (among some really good 
ones) in the Rivendell lineup. When I was contemplating my first Rivendell 
(it was an Atlantis) they were selling an unpainted 48cm Bomba frame for a 
good price. So tempting. One of the details that got to me was the lug 
joining the headtube/downtube. Didn't buy it but if I had it would have 
been for that lug!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:16:08 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Joe Bernard]

I believe Watson is hoping to find a wheel (Chris King hub, actually) with 
an 8-speed cassette already on it, which might explain his phrasing. 

My Riv uses a WI hub with an 11-speed-sized freehub, it comes with a spacer 
that you put on first if you want to install an 8/9/10-speed cassette.*

* Now to muddy the waters. A lot of wide-range 11-speed cassettes actually 
fit like an 8/9/10, the big cog is lipped over to fit on 8/9/10 freehubs. 
On my bike with a SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette I use the spacer. Not 
confusing at all! 😂

Joe "more information than you need" Bernard 
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and woolly 
> mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when Oliphaunt 
> was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a cease-and-desist from 
> the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I sure 
> love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on the 
> Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need 
> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary 
> components.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:
>
> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
> “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
> bike.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if 
>> others have insight. 
>>
>> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
>> the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
>> Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
>> changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 
>>
>> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
>> say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
>> guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
>> Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
>> of inspiration as well. 
>>
>> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
>> erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
>> to be a full-time YouTube person. 
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
>>> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
>>> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
 might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
 are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
 expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
 I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of 
 his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a 
 main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But 
 then, he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property 
 names and references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, 
 but there may be others:

 Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
 Fellowship of the Ring is formed
 Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
 Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
 Sackville-Bagginses
 Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
 out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
 Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
 dismay of many fans.
 Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
 Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits 
 Merry and Pippin during the Ent Moot

 Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but th

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jay Lonner]

This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary components.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the bike.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others have insight. Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point of inspiration as well. Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want to be a full-time YouTube person. On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. Sorry for the tangent.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there may be others:Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the Fellowship of the Ring is formedBaggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and FrodoSackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the Sackville-BagginsesBombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of many fans.Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the RingQuickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry and Pippin during the Ent MootCan anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is different. Also, it might not be Indiana.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these two models. On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the origins and intended uses of these frames. I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these bikes along with pictures of builds. Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another thread, there's some great info there. The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdfThe first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
“Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
bike.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others 
> have insight. 
>
> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
> the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
> Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
> changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 
>
> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
> say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
> guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
> Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
> of inspiration as well. 
>
> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
> erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
> to be a full-time YouTube person. 
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
>> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
>> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
>>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
>>> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
>>> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
>>> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
>>> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
>>> may be others:
>>>
>>> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
>>> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
>>> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
>>> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
>>> Sackville-Bagginses
>>> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
>>> out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
>>> Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
>>> dismay of many fans.
>>> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
>>> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits 
>>> Merry and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>>>
>>> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>>
 The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling 
 is different. Also, it might not be Indiana.

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
> these two models. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
>> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and 
>> lugs. 
>> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
>> the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> ,
>>  there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the 
>> picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
>> got 
>> a Hunq) so we

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others 
have insight. 

Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have the 
screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 

Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
of inspiration as well. 

Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the erratic 
upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want to be a 
full-time YouTube person. 
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your 
> style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. 
> Sorry for the tangent.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
>> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
>> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
>> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
>> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
>> may be others:
>>
>> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
>> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
>> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
>> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
>> Sackville-Bagginses
>> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
>> out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
>> Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
>> dismay of many fans.
>> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
>> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
>> and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>>
>> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
>>> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
 these two models. 

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eliot B]

Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your 
style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. 
Sorry for the tangent.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
> may be others:
>
> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
> Sackville-Bagginses
> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out 
> of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle 
> Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of 
> many fans.
> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
> and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>
> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
>> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
>>> these two models. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Brian Turner]

Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I might 
try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here are, I've 
long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert... 
I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
may be others:

Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
Fellowship of the Ring is formed
Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
Sackville-Bagginses
Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out 
of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle 
Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of 
many fans.
Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
and Pippin during the Ent Moot

Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
>> these two models. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[E. Ricky Creek]

The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
different. Also, it might not be Indiana.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these 
> two models. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these 
two models. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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