[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
I was of the same mind as Edwin. When Joe showed up, I thought of buying one and tranferring the parts from Sam and buying some fatter tires for one wheelset. I thought Joe might be better on trails but feared I'd miss the road feel of Sam. I've noticed that 45 Smart Sams fit the Sam but rub on the kickstand when I pedal hard. I did see that the bb drop on Joe was slightly lower but I'm sure that would be easily offset by a set of 55 tires. A Joe for dirt and heavy lifting and Sam for roading in the garage\shop together is not an option. Too many projects coming up and it's rainy season (we hope). Besides that combo might be better satisfied by Sam and a Hunq. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
O.. 2.5 Hunq! I like that idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
This is basically my thinking on it too. To me, a new owner of a Sam that I like very much, despite its limitations (e.g. brake choice and clearance), I don't feel the Joe would bring enough of an upgrade to justify either a substitution or addition. A longer wheelbase sounds like it could be clunky on tight singletrack corners, which is where my Sam is most limited, and the clearance increase wouldn't really justify a *different* bike. That said, I hope this new model is successful enough to warrant further explorations. As long as I'm saving my pennies for another Riv, I'll continue hoping they update the Hunq with clearance for 2.5s! On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 8:20:42 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote: > I was of the same mind as Edwin. When Joe showed up, I thought of buying > one and tranferring the parts from Sam and buying some fatter tires for one > wheelset. I thought Joe might be better on trails but feared I'd miss the > road feel of Sam. I've noticed that 45 Smart Sams fit the Sam but rub on > the kickstand when I pedal hard. I did see that the bb drop on Joe was > slightly lower but I'm sure that would be easily offset by a set of 55 > tires. > > A Joe for dirt and heavy lifting and Sam for roading in the garage\shop > together is not an option. Too many projects coming up and it's rainy > season (we hope). Besides that combo might be better satisfied by Sam and > a Hunq. > > John > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
Long chainstays allow the use of road cranksets without needing wider bottom brackets. I'm not sure if any Riv models would need wider than normal bottom brackets, but on my large Clem, with the longest chainstays of the sizes, I'm able to use a Dura Ace 7410 crank that utilizes a 103mm bottom bracket, with a 42t chainring on the inner position with plenty of room between the chainring and the chainstay. I'm not sure if that makes a stronger case for the longer chainstays on the Appa, but it certainly was a nice surprise on my Clem. David Chicago On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 2:36:17 PM UTC-6, Will wrote: > > There was a 56cm Atlantis FS posting last week with XT bits. That would > possibly have been your dream bike, if you like the Hillborne's roadiness, > but want cantis, clearance, and beauty. > > The 56 is the largest Atlantis frame that uses 559s. Personally, I'm a > little shaky with Appa's 52-53 length chainstays. The Atlantis I have, a > 53cm unit, has 45's. I run Ortliebs on the back all the time, never had a > clearance issue, so going longer has minor appeal. I can tell you the > Atlantis is an absolute killer ride. I always thought I wanted a Hilsen, > but no more. If you ever get a chance ride one. > > I really, truly, do not think Grant's ever designed a better bike. > > On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 9:20:42 AM UTC-6, Surlyprof wrote: >> >> I was of the same mind as Edwin. When Joe showed up, I thought of buying >> one and tranferring the parts from Sam and buying some fatter tires for one >> wheelset. I thought Joe might be better on trails but feared I'd miss the >> road feel of Sam. I've noticed that 45 Smart Sams fit the Sam but rub on >> the kickstand when I pedal hard. I did see that the bb drop on Joe was >> slightly lower but I'm sure that would be easily offset by a set of 55 >> tires. >> >> A Joe for dirt and heavy lifting and Sam for roading in the garage\shop >> together is not an option. Too many projects coming up and it's rainy >> season (we hope). Besides that combo might be better satisfied by Sam and >> a Hunq. >> >> John >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
There was a 56cm Atlantis FS posting last week with XT bits. That would possibly have been your dream bike, if you like the Hillborne's roadiness, but want cantis, clearance, and beauty. The 56 is the largest Atlantis frame that uses 559s. Personally, I'm a little shaky with Appa's 52-53 length chainstays. The Atlantis I have, a 53cm unit, has 45's. I run Ortliebs on the back all the time, never had a clearance issue, so going longer has minor appeal. I can tell you the Atlantis is an absolute killer ride. I always thought I wanted a Hilsen, but no more. If you ever get a chance ride one. I really, truly, do not think Grant's ever designed a better bike. On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 9:20:42 AM UTC-6, Surlyprof wrote: > > I was of the same mind as Edwin. When Joe showed up, I thought of buying > one and tranferring the parts from Sam and buying some fatter tires for one > wheelset. I thought Joe might be better on trails but feared I'd miss the > road feel of Sam. I've noticed that 45 Smart Sams fit the Sam but rub on > the kickstand when I pedal hard. I did see that the bb drop on Joe was > slightly lower but I'm sure that would be easily offset by a set of 55 > tires. > > A Joe for dirt and heavy lifting and Sam for roading in the garage\shop > together is not an option. Too many projects coming up and it's rainy > season (we hope). Besides that combo might be better satisfied by Sam and > a Hunq. > > John > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
" Personally, I'm a little shaky with Appa's 52-53 length chainstays. " I'm not sure I follow what this means. Does this mean: a. I've ridden a bike with 53cm chainstays, and the ride was unstable. When I ride a bike with 53cm chainstays, I'm a little shaky b. I don't believe there is any benefit to longer chainstays. In my opinion, if it aint broke dont fix it, and 45cm stays aint broke. By "shaky", I mean "I don't see any benefit". c. something else Either one is fine, of course. When I get my 55 Appaloosa I will absolutely be comparing it to my 58cm (700C) Atlantis. My 56cm singleTT canti-Hillborne is set up as a stripped down road bike, so I wouldn't consider that really a fair comparison. On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 12:36:17 PM UTC-8, Will wrote: > > There was a 56cm Atlantis FS posting last week with XT bits. That would > possibly have been your dream bike, if you like the Hillborne's roadiness, > but want cantis, clearance, and beauty. > > The 56 is the largest Atlantis frame that uses 559s. Personally, I'm a > little shaky with Appa's 52-53 length chainstays. The Atlantis I have, a > 53cm unit, has 45's. I run Ortliebs on the back all the time, never had a > clearance issue, so going longer has minor appeal. I can tell you the > Atlantis is an absolute killer ride. I always thought I wanted a Hilsen, > but no more. If you ever get a chance ride one. > > I really, truly, do not think Grant's ever designed a better bike. > > On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 9:20:42 AM UTC-6, Surlyprof wrote: >> >> I was of the same mind as Edwin. When Joe showed up, I thought of buying >> one and tranferring the parts from Sam and buying some fatter tires for one >> wheelset. I thought Joe might be better on trails but feared I'd miss the >> road feel of Sam. I've noticed that 45 Smart Sams fit the Sam but rub on >> the kickstand when I pedal hard. I did see that the bb drop on Joe was >> slightly lower but I'm sure that would be easily offset by a set of 55 >> tires. >> >> A Joe for dirt and heavy lifting and Sam for roading in the garage\shop >> together is not an option. Too many projects coming up and it's rainy >> season (we hope). Besides that combo might be better satisfied by Sam and >> a Hunq. >> >> John >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
i purchased a new hunq frame a couple of years ago. it was a lot of money and still is a lot of money for me. my wife still thinks that the whole bike was 2k, not just the frame. since then, i bought a used sam from a too generous group member. the hunq is racked and bagged and adorned with nice parts. it sleeps in the house and is ready for anything. the sam is more minimal and gets me around town 80% of the time. it has a few dings and is dirty and sleeps in the garage. i know im never going to be into super fast road riding or crazy mountain biking, so these two bikes are likely the last two bikes ill ever buy. it stings a bit that the joe appaloosa didnt come out two years ago, because i imagine that it splits the difference between my two bikes for less than the price of one. i wish there was a reason/room for one, but my bases are covered. i hope its not such a good idea at such an ok price that it decommissions the atlantis/hunq/sam. if it was around back then, it would be the only choice for me, far and away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
Bill,
I am one who would want just a frameset. If it were offered like a Clem,
for a $700 presale (wow wasn't that a great deal!) I would have jumped on
it, transferred everything over from my Sam and sold the Sam frameset. But
it was not to be. Reading your email ALMOST made me want to order it, but
thank goodness the window is closed. I have a Sam, like it a lot, and don't
REALLY need a new bike, no matter how cool that Joe looks.
Appreciating your logic ("you can just about MAKE money buying this thing"),
Edwin
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 3:30:53 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I expect the Joe will ride a lot like a Sam. It will have all the
> benefits of wider tires. I expect it to ride "Like a Rivendell".
>
> Regarding the numerous people who want a frameset. I understand,
> completely. I have all the parts to pull together two or three builds,
> also. But think about it. If there was ever going to be a hypothetical
> Joe Appaloosa frameset, we'd expect the price to be higher than that of the
> Hillborne ($1300). On top of that add the new crown, the longer stays.
> Add that they are a smaller volume order, and are physically quite a bit
> bigger and cost more to ship. What do you think retail would be? Probably
> between $1500 and $1700. Then, many of you would want the super cool
> Choco-Bosco handlebar. Every previous Nitto Bullmoose Variant has been
> $150-$160. You quickly get to a frameset + handlebar that may cost nearly
> $1900, and here you have the chance to buy the whole bike for $2100. It's
> kind of difficult to pass up. The Riv crankset is not cheap, take a guess
> and price it at $180. Those Sun Race shifters are $65 for a pair. The
> Silver hubset is $110. That presale price starts to look like free money
> when you think about it. It's really a very nice deal at $2100, in my
> opinion.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:53:20 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> Thought I’d jump in and propose a thread I’ve been thinking about since
>> that beautiful, burgundy Appaloosa showed up on the web specials. Like so
>> many others, I’ve been very curious about the Joe Appaloosa frame. I was
>> looking over the Riv geometry charts and the chart on the Joe. Joe’s 55
>> specs are so similar to the early specs of the 56 Hillborne with longer
>> stays and a longer top tube and fork rake. Joe appears to be a lengthened
>> early Sam with larger tire clearances. I have a 56 canti-Sam after they
>> shortened the top tube which is great on the road. I just start to wonder
>> if the Appaloosa would be better in the dirt or when camping (particularly
>> in the dirt!). Of course, I’d prefer just the frame so I could swap all
>> the parts which I’ve grown quite fond of on the Hillborne.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any speculation as to how the Joe ride would compare to Sam? To any
>> other Riv models? I’ve seen people posting reports such as, "like the
>> hillborne but with more clearances" and "cross between Atlantis and
>> Hunqapillar” and "cross between Atlantis and Hillborne”. Now that the
>> Appaloosa is officially in presale, I would love to hear what people are
>> thinking about its place in the Riv line up.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
I expect the Joe will ride a lot like a Sam. It will have all the benefits of wider tires. I expect it to ride "Like a Rivendell". Regarding the numerous people who want a frameset. I understand, completely. I have all the parts to pull together two or three builds, also. But think about it. If there was ever going to be a hypothetical Joe Appaloosa frameset, we'd expect the price to be higher than that of the Hillborne ($1300). On top of that add the new crown, the longer stays. Add that they are a smaller volume order, and are physically quite a bit bigger and cost more to ship. What do you think retail would be? Probably between $1500 and $1700. Then, many of you would want the super cool Choco-Bosco handlebar. Every previous Nitto Bullmoose Variant has been $150-$160. You quickly get to a frameset + handlebar that may cost nearly $1900, and here you have the chance to buy the whole bike for $2100. It's kind of difficult to pass up. The Riv crankset is not cheap, take a guess and price it at $180. Those Sun Race shifters are $65 for a pair. The Silver hubset is $110. That presale price starts to look like free money when you think about it. It's really a very nice deal at $2100, in my opinion. On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:53:20 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: > > Thought I’d jump in and propose a thread I’ve been thinking about since > that beautiful, burgundy Appaloosa showed up on the web specials. Like so > many others, I’ve been very curious about the Joe Appaloosa frame. I was > looking over the Riv geometry charts and the chart on the Joe. Joe’s 55 > specs are so similar to the early specs of the 56 Hillborne with longer > stays and a longer top tube and fork rake. Joe appears to be a lengthened > early Sam with larger tire clearances. I have a 56 canti-Sam after they > shortened the top tube which is great on the road. I just start to wonder > if the Appaloosa would be better in the dirt or when camping (particularly > in the dirt!). Of course, I’d prefer just the frame so I could swap all > the parts which I’ve grown quite fond of on the Hillborne. > > > > Any speculation as to how the Joe ride would compare to Sam? To any other > Riv models? I’ve seen people posting reports such as, "like the > hillborne but with more clearances" and "cross between Atlantis and > Hunqapillar” and "cross between Atlantis and Hillborne”. Now that the > Appaloosa is officially in presale, I would love to hear what people are > thinking about its place in the Riv line up. > > > > John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
I'm sure as the audience for Rivs and the number of dealers grow, it may make sense to offer many of the "more affordable" options as complete instead of f/f/hs/bb. Working w/ the dealers, I'm sure it's much easier to move the Rivs once people can actually ride them. Just my $.02 Best, Eric Indpls On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:30:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > I expect the Joe will ride a lot like a Sam. It will have all the > benefits of wider tires. I expect it to ride "Like a Rivendell". > > Regarding the numerous people who want a frameset. I understand, > completely. I have all the parts to pull together two or three builds, > also. But think about it. If there was ever going to be a hypothetical > Joe Appaloosa frameset, we'd expect the price to be higher than that of the > Hillborne ($1300). On top of that add the new crown, the longer stays. > Add that they are a smaller volume order, and are physically quite a bit > bigger and cost more to ship. What do you think retail would be? Probably > between $1500 and $1700. Then, many of you would want the super cool > Choco-Bosco handlebar. Every previous Nitto Bullmoose Variant has been > $150-$160. You quickly get to a frameset + handlebar that may cost nearly > $1900, and here you have the chance to buy the whole bike for $2100. It's > kind of difficult to pass up. The Riv crankset is not cheap, take a guess > and price it at $180. Those Sun Race shifters are $65 for a pair. The > Silver hubset is $110. That presale price starts to look like free money > when you think about it. It's really a very nice deal at $2100, in my > opinion. > > On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:53:20 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: >> >> Thought I’d jump in and propose a thread I’ve been thinking about since >> that beautiful, burgundy Appaloosa showed up on the web specials. Like so >> many others, I’ve been very curious about the Joe Appaloosa frame. I was >> looking over the Riv geometry charts and the chart on the Joe. Joe’s 55 >> specs are so similar to the early specs of the 56 Hillborne with longer >> stays and a longer top tube and fork rake. Joe appears to be a lengthened >> early Sam with larger tire clearances. I have a 56 canti-Sam after they >> shortened the top tube which is great on the road. I just start to wonder >> if the Appaloosa would be better in the dirt or when camping (particularly >> in the dirt!). Of course, I’d prefer just the frame so I could swap all >> the parts which I’ve grown quite fond of on the Hillborne. >> >> >> >> Any speculation as to how the Joe ride would compare to Sam? To any >> other Riv models? I’ve seen people posting reports such as, "like the >> hillborne but with more clearances" and "cross between Atlantis and >> Hunqapillar” and "cross between Atlantis and Hillborne”. Now that the >> Appaloosa is officially in presale, I would love to hear what people are >> thinking about its place in the Riv line up. >> >> >> >> John >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
I screwed up. I said the Silver Hubset was $110. The rear hub is $110. The front is $75. $185 for the hubset. At any rate, I think that even the Appaloosa complete at $2500 is a solid deal. On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 1:30:53 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I expect the Joe will ride a lot like a Sam. It will have all the > benefits of wider tires. I expect it to ride "Like a Rivendell". > > Regarding the numerous people who want a frameset. I understand, > completely. I have all the parts to pull together two or three builds, > also. But think about it. If there was ever going to be a hypothetical > Joe Appaloosa frameset, we'd expect the price to be higher than that of the > Hillborne ($1300). On top of that add the new crown, the longer stays. > Add that they are a smaller volume order, and are physically quite a bit > bigger and cost more to ship. What do you think retail would be? Probably > between $1500 and $1700. Then, many of you would want the super cool > Choco-Bosco handlebar. Every previous Nitto Bullmoose Variant has been > $150-$160. You quickly get to a frameset + handlebar that may cost nearly > $1900, and here you have the chance to buy the whole bike for $2100. It's > kind of difficult to pass up. The Riv crankset is not cheap, take a guess > and price it at $180. Those Sun Race shifters are $65 for a pair. The > Silver hubset is $110. That presale price starts to look like free money > when you think about it. It's really a very nice deal at $2100, in my > opinion. > > On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:53:20 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: >> >> Thought I’d jump in and propose a thread I’ve been thinking about since >> that beautiful, burgundy Appaloosa showed up on the web specials. Like so >> many others, I’ve been very curious about the Joe Appaloosa frame. I was >> looking over the Riv geometry charts and the chart on the Joe. Joe’s 55 >> specs are so similar to the early specs of the 56 Hillborne with longer >> stays and a longer top tube and fork rake. Joe appears to be a lengthened >> early Sam with larger tire clearances. I have a 56 canti-Sam after they >> shortened the top tube which is great on the road. I just start to wonder >> if the Appaloosa would be better in the dirt or when camping (particularly >> in the dirt!). Of course, I’d prefer just the frame so I could swap all >> the parts which I’ve grown quite fond of on the Hillborne. >> >> >> >> Any speculation as to how the Joe ride would compare to Sam? To any >> other Riv models? I’ve seen people posting reports such as, "like the >> hillborne but with more clearances" and "cross between Atlantis and >> Hunqapillar” and "cross between Atlantis and Hillborne”. Now that the >> Appaloosa is officially in presale, I would love to hear what people are >> thinking about its place in the Riv line up. >> >> >> >> John >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
Just sold my Surly Pugsley, the want is high for the Joe, but alas I think my Sam will do with the Albatross bars I have coming. I need a winter/commuter bike I am not afraid to lock up..A Riv that bike probably won't do -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
Well the Appaloosa frame is never going to be $700. It's fully lugged.
The Clem frame was $700 largely because of how lugless it is. Three sizes
vs Five also helped. IF they ever offer an Appaloosa frame, it will
definitely cost more than a Hillborne.
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 1:51:58 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am one who would want just a frameset. If it were offered like a Clem,
> for a $700 presale (wow wasn't that a great deal!) I would have jumped on
> it, transferred everything over from my Sam and sold the Sam frameset. But
> it was not to be. Reading your email ALMOST made me want to order it, but
> thank goodness the window is closed. I have a Sam, like it a lot, and don't
> REALLY need a new bike, no matter how cool that Joe looks.
>
> Appreciating your logic ("you can just about MAKE money buying this
> thing"),
>
> Edwin
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 3:30:53 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I expect the Joe will ride a lot like a Sam. It will have all the
>> benefits of wider tires. I expect it to ride "Like a Rivendell".
>>
>> Regarding the numerous people who want a frameset. I understand,
>> completely. I have all the parts to pull together two or three builds,
>> also. But think about it. If there was ever going to be a hypothetical
>> Joe Appaloosa frameset, we'd expect the price to be higher than that of the
>> Hillborne ($1300). On top of that add the new crown, the longer stays.
>> Add that they are a smaller volume order, and are physically quite a bit
>> bigger and cost more to ship. What do you think retail would be? Probably
>> between $1500 and $1700. Then, many of you would want the super cool
>> Choco-Bosco handlebar. Every previous Nitto Bullmoose Variant has been
>> $150-$160. You quickly get to a frameset + handlebar that may cost nearly
>> $1900, and here you have the chance to buy the whole bike for $2100. It's
>> kind of difficult to pass up. The Riv crankset is not cheap, take a guess
>> and price it at $180. Those Sun Race shifters are $65 for a pair. The
>> Silver hubset is $110. That presale price starts to look like free money
>> when you think about it. It's really a very nice deal at $2100, in my
>> opinion.
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:53:20 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>>>
>>> Thought I’d jump in and propose a thread I’ve been thinking about since
>>> that beautiful, burgundy Appaloosa showed up on the web specials. Like so
>>> many others, I’ve been very curious about the Joe Appaloosa frame. I was
>>> looking over the Riv geometry charts and the chart on the Joe. Joe’s 55
>>> specs are so similar to the early specs of the 56 Hillborne with longer
>>> stays and a longer top tube and fork rake. Joe appears to be a lengthened
>>> early Sam with larger tire clearances. I have a 56 canti-Sam after they
>>> shortened the top tube which is great on the road. I just start to wonder
>>> if the Appaloosa would be better in the dirt or when camping (particularly
>>> in the dirt!). Of course, I’d prefer just the frame so I could swap all
>>> the parts which I’ve grown quite fond of on the Hillborne.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any speculation as to how the Joe ride would compare to Sam? To any
>>> other Riv models? I’ve seen people posting reports such as, "like the
>>> hillborne but with more clearances" and "cross between Atlantis and
>>> Hunqapillar” and "cross between Atlantis and Hillborne”. Now that the
>>> Appaloosa is officially in presale, I would love to hear what people are
>>> thinking about its place in the Riv line up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
It looks like completes are going to be the way all of the lower priced Riv's will be sold from hence forth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is Joe the evolved Sam?
Somewhere on the Blug it recently mentioned that more Sams were coming in 2016, but they would be sold as completes only. KJ On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-5, William R. wrote: > > And I'm sure we will see more Sam's at some point. I hope we do. > > Bill in Westchester, NY > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
