[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
I have used both tires on my Rambouilet. The Marathon is definitely the more puncture resistant tire. I've had only one flat on those tires and that was the result of an unlucky encounter with a roofing nail. The Ruffy feels a little more lively but not nearly as springy as the Grand Bois tires. Of course, with those I've had a fair number of punctures from glass and steel belt wire. Life is full of trade- offs. GeorgeS On May 15, 7:23 am, Forrest wrote: > Any experiences and/or preferences on the Ruffy Tuffy versus Marathon > Racer 700x30c? I am thinking of going with one or the other on my Riv > LongLow (geometry and clearances similar to Rambouillet). Thanks. -- > Forrest -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
I run the racers (26x1.6) on my tandem and have run the ruffy-tuffy on my Ram, so it is impossible to compare the ride but the racers do seem more puncture resistant with tougher sidewalls. I found the r-ts to be a pretty good all around tire on the Ram but have moved to sportier selections since I mostly use the Ram for longer joy rides. michael On May 15, 8:23 am, Forrest wrote: > Any experiences and/or preferences on the Ruffy Tuffy versus Marathon > Racer 700x30c? I am thinking of going with one or the other on my Riv > LongLow (geometry and clearances similar to Rambouillet). Thanks. -- > Forrest -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
I have used the 700X35 & 26X1.5 Marathon Racer (MR) and the 28mm Ruffy Tuffy (RT) (is there any other size RT?). It is hard to compare tires of such different size. Both tires ride harsh at pressures of ~70-75psi in the MR and ~80-85 in the RT. Both have been quite flat resistent for me. The MR seems to last forever, but that may be due to its larger girth. I prefer the MR for touring and mixed surface riding, for its size and reflective sidewall. I use the RT on the rear wheel of my Riv road custom (Rolly Poly up front). Different tires, different uses. On May 15, 6:23 am, Forrest wrote: > Any experiences and/or preferences on the Ruffy Tuffy versus Marathon > Racer 700x30c? I am thinking of going with one or the other on my Riv > LongLow (geometry and clearances similar to Rambouillet). Thanks. -- > Forrest -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix, the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience with the Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the Ruffy Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The three aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to ride them at about 85-90 psi. If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy over the Marathon Racer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
I made the exact switch you are describing. My Seven Rando bike had Ruffy Tuffys which I loved. Great ride, no flats luckily after nearly 500 miles but they are so light and thin that I felt a flat was inevitable. My riding has changed recently with me riding through Boston at night and I didn't want to deal with changing a flat in Roxbury at 11 PM, yikes. Plus, the Marathons have reflective sidewalls. The Marathons are nice and are hear to stay. My only gripes: They claim to be 700 x 30 but actually measure just shy of 28 so they actually have less volume than the Ruffy Tuffys. They fit more loosely to the rim which always freaks me out but no issues. They tend to need more pressure than the Ruffy Tuffys or they feel a little unresponsive, probably because of the heavier casing. Plus, they don't look as nice :) On May 15, 8:23 am, Forrest wrote: > Any experiences and/or preferences on the Ruffy Tuffy versus Marathon > Racer 700x30c? I am thinking of going with one or the other on my Riv > LongLow (geometry and clearances similar to Rambouillet). Thanks. -- > Forrest -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 15, 11:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be > pushing it? I've pushed both over many an unpaved surface. no flats/sidewall tears, but they get chewed up pretty good. lots of nicks in the tread and rough surfaces definitely accelerate the wear on these tires (but as they do get worn, I put a bit of Stan's sealant in the tube for a bit of extra protection/peace of mind). As David notes, they wear kind of fast in general, so you'd need to decide if you want kill a tire that nice bombing around on rough roads. Because of that, I prefer to use them on paved roads more often than not lately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 16, 12:04 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > And do the Grifo XSs roll well on pavement? the XS has a very, very soft tread and I wouldn't be surprised if it started to peel away if used primarily on the road. I've used both the clincher and tubular - and like them - but it's not going to offer you much, if anything, that 30-33 slick at a proper psi can on mixed terrain rides. i'm also dubious of its cornering capability on pavement - i've had a few sketchy experiences where I pushed this tire a little too hard in the turns. side knobs are okay for cornering in grass, tacky mud, etc. - not so great on asphalt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
Interesting. That hasn't been my experience with the Grifo XS at all. I've ridden the same trails on both Jack Brown greens and Grifo XS. For me, the small knobs offer quite a bit of grip in sections that leave the JBs slipping and spinning out. I haven't had any cornering issues on asphalt with the side knobs on the Grifos, nor has the tread peeled away. And I've used them quite a bit on pavement, riding many miles to-and-from the trailheads. I've found them to be quite durable and fast tires for any setting, and definitely preferable to similar width slicks on dirt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 16, 5:49 pm, Aaron Thomas wrote: > Interesting. That hasn't been my experience with the Grifo XS at all. I like the XS, especially the tubular (although I do get some tread peeling)! i've done a bunch of cyclocross racing on it, and it probably is preferable on "trails" to a slick. but "dirt roads" mean something different to me than trails, and I don't need tread there. and i still don't recommend putting a file tread with side knobs (or any tire with side knobs) on the limit on pavement - with nothing to bite into, it can easily skip its way out from under you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
To all who responded to original question of Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy, thank you. Very helpful. -- Forrest On May 16, 6:25 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > On May 16, 5:49 pm, Aaron Thomas wrote: > > > Interesting. That hasn't been my experience with the Grifo XS at all. > > I like the XS, especially the tubular (although I do get some tread > peeling)! i've done a bunch of cyclocross racing on it, and it > probably is preferable on "trails" to a slick. but "dirt roads" mean > something different to me than trails, and I don't need tread there. > and i still don't recommend putting a file tread with side knobs (or > any tire with side knobs) on the limit on pavement - with nothing to > bite into, it can easily skip its way out from under you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
The Roly Poly got nixed on BQ's rollout reviews, tho' I don't necessarily buy everything they say (too many variables, IMO). But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be pushing it? I've been thinking of a pair of JB Greens, which I've tried and liked, but can easily get by with 28s for the kind of riding I expect to do on this bike (the Herse) -- in fact, just took of the barking, doggy 32 mm TourGuard Paselas and replaced them with used IRC Tandem 30s: 27.5 mm versus 29.6 or so on very similar rims, and at the same pressures -- 70-80 or so -- the IRCs are noticeably smoother over 4" wide expansion cracks. I do not like the Tourguards, so any one who wants a good deal on them, LMK. Also: what do the JBGs measure on a 23 mm rim? On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Thomas wrote: > For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix, > the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience with the > Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the Ruffy > Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The three > aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to ride > them at about 85-90 psi. > If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy over the > Marathon Racer. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
Grand Bois 28s are good on the hardpack. Great all around tires, although they're wearing down really fast IMHO. I had the 30mm ones as well, and those had problems, but so far the 28s are great. If you want something a little larger, consider the Challenge Grifo XS. Touch of tread would be great if you ride in the dirt occasionally. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222343216/421/Challenge-Grifo-XS-700x32c.html On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:44 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > The Roly Poly got nixed on BQ's rollout reviews, tho' I don't > necessarily buy everything they say (too many variables, IMO). But how > do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be > pushing it? I've been thinking of a pair of JB Greens, which I've > tried and liked, but can easily get by with 28s for the kind of riding > I expect to do on this bike (the Herse) -- in fact, just took of the > barking, doggy 32 mm TourGuard Paselas and replaced them with used IRC > Tandem 30s: 27.5 mm versus 29.6 or so on very similar rims, and at the > same pressures -- 70-80 or so -- the IRCs are noticeably smoother over > 4" wide expansion cracks. I do not like the Tourguards, so any one who > wants a good deal on them, LMK. > > Also: what do the JBGs measure on a 23 mm rim? > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Thomas > wrote: > > For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge > Parigi-Roubaix, > > the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience with > the > > Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the Ruffy > > Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The three > > aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to ride > > them at about 85-90 psi. > > If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy over > the > > Marathon Racer. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > > A billion stars go spinning through the night > Blazing high above your head; > But in you is the Presence that will be > When all the stars are dead. > (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
Thanks, David. I ride this bike mostly on pavement -- the dirt here in my area is too sandy for anything except really fat and soft tires -- but I want to be able to take short detours off the bike path and off the pavements in, say, Corrales, near my house. I'd prefer a good road tire that does acceptably on hardpack, so the GBN 30s sound ideal for me -- I'm willing to put up with lower mileage for a better ride. Do the GBs run true to size? And do the Grifo XSs roll well on pavement? After finding supple 22 mm tires (and 559s at that) quite acceptable over such rough pavement as I encounter, 30s ought to be like pillows for my needs. (Damn, those Tourguards are harsh!) On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:58 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > Grand Bois 28s are good on the hardpack. Great all around tires, although > they're wearing down really fast IMHO. I had the 30mm ones as well, and > those had problems, but so far the 28s are great. > > If you want something a little larger, consider the Challenge Grifo XS. > Touch of tread would be great if you ride in the dirt occasionally. > http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222343216/421/Challenge-Grifo-XS-700x32c.html > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:44 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> >> The Roly Poly got nixed on BQ's rollout reviews, tho' I don't >> necessarily buy everything they say (too many variables, IMO). But how >> do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be >> pushing it? I've been thinking of a pair of JB Greens, which I've >> tried and liked, but can easily get by with 28s for the kind of riding >> I expect to do on this bike (the Herse) -- in fact, just took of the >> barking, doggy 32 mm TourGuard Paselas and replaced them with used IRC >> Tandem 30s: 27.5 mm versus 29.6 or so on very similar rims, and at the >> same pressures -- 70-80 or so -- the IRCs are noticeably smoother over >> 4" wide expansion cracks. I do not like the Tourguards, so any one who >> wants a good deal on them, LMK. >> >> Also: what do the JBGs measure on a 23 mm rim? >> >> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Thomas >> wrote: >> > For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge >> > Parigi-Roubaix, >> > the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience with >> > the >> > Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the Ruffy >> > Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The three >> > aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to >> > ride >> > them at about 85-90 psi. >> > If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy over >> > the >> > Marathon Racer. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Patrick Moore >> Albuquerque, NM >> For professional resumes, contact >> Patrick Moore, ACRW >> patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com >> >> A billion stars go spinning through the night >> Blazing high above your head; >> But in you is the Presence that will be >> When all the stars are dead. >> (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably > benefit more from > improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit th
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
I haven't used the Grifos, but the tread is really minimal from when I looked at them. It's not going to slow you down :) That's the XS model, not the regular Grifo which is more of a lugged cyclocross pattern. The GBs are really nice tires. I think you would like either size, although if you like the 22s, might as well get the 28s. They are true to size. The 30mm ones were closer to 31mm. REALLY light tires, holding them feels like there's nothing there! On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:04 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Thanks, David. I ride this bike mostly on pavement -- the dirt here in > my area is too sandy for anything except really fat and soft tires -- > but I want to be able to take short detours off the bike path and off > the pavements in, say, Corrales, near my house. I'd prefer a good road > tire that does acceptably on hardpack, so the GBN 30s sound ideal for > me -- I'm willing to put up with lower mileage for a better ride. > > Do the GBs run true to size? > > And do the Grifo XSs roll well on pavement? > > After finding supple 22 mm tires (and 559s at that) quite acceptable > over such rough pavement as I encounter, 30s ought to be like pillows > for my needs. (Damn, those Tourguards are harsh!) > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:58 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: > > Grand Bois 28s are good on the hardpack. Great all around tires, > although > > they're wearing down really fast IMHO. I had the 30mm ones as well, and > > those had problems, but so far the 28s are great. > > > > If you want something a little larger, consider the Challenge Grifo XS. > > Touch of tread would be great if you ride in the dirt occasionally. > > > http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222343216/421/Challenge-Grifo-XS-700x32c.html > > > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:44 PM, PATRICK MOORE > wrote: > >> > >> The Roly Poly got nixed on BQ's rollout reviews, tho' I don't > >> necessarily buy everything they say (too many variables, IMO). But how > >> do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be > >> pushing it? I've been thinking of a pair of JB Greens, which I've > >> tried and liked, but can easily get by with 28s for the kind of riding > >> I expect to do on this bike (the Herse) -- in fact, just took of the > >> barking, doggy 32 mm TourGuard Paselas and replaced them with used IRC > >> Tandem 30s: 27.5 mm versus 29.6 or so on very similar rims, and at the > >> same pressures -- 70-80 or so -- the IRCs are noticeably smoother over > >> 4" wide expansion cracks. I do not like the Tourguards, so any one who > >> wants a good deal on them, LMK. > >> > >> Also: what do the JBGs measure on a 23 mm rim? > >> > >> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Thomas > > >> wrote: > >> > For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge > >> > Parigi-Roubaix, > >> > the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience > with > >> > the > >> > Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the > Ruffy > >> > Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The > three > >> > aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to > >> > ride > >> > them at about 85-90 psi. > >> > If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy > over > >> > the > >> > Marathon Racer. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Patrick Moore > >> Albuquerque, NM > >> For professional resumes, contact > >> Patrick Moore, ACRW > >> patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > >> > >> A billion stars go spinning through the night > >> Blazing high above your head; > >> But in you is the Presence that will be > >> When all the stars are dead. > >> (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > David > > Redlands, CA > > > > ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > probably > > benefit more from > > improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group,
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 21:44 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? I was on one dirt road ride last year where a friend had 28mm Paris-Roubaix tires. She flatted almost immediately as soon as we got on the gravel, and then flatted again later on. I've had the 30mm Grand Bois Cypres on gravel roads for a few miles and they're ridden fine, but I wasn't on the gravel long enough to draw any conclusions about durability in that environment. Simply because of their relative narrowness (compared to the 650B tires I have on other bikes) I wouldn't set out with them to do a dirt road ride, but if I encountered a stretch of dirt road in the middle of a long ride I wouldn't blanch or (as I've seen folks on 23mm racing tires do) shriek "Gravel, for the love of God!!!" come to a sudden halt, stop and carry the bike over the offending gravel section. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 16, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 21:44 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > >> But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? > > I was on one dirt road ride last year where a friend had 28mm > Paris-Roubaix tires. She flatted almost immediately as soon as we got > on the gravel, and then flatted again later on. > > I've had the 30mm Grand Bois Cypres on gravel roads for a few miles and > they're ridden fine, but I wasn't on the gravel long enough to draw any > conclusions about durability in that environment. > > Simply because of their relative narrowness (compared to the 650B tires > I have on other bikes) I wouldn't set out with them to do a dirt road > ride, but if I encountered a stretch of dirt road in the middle of a > long ride I wouldn't blanch or (as I've seen folks on 23mm racing tires > do) shriek "Gravel, for the love of God!!!" come to a sudden halt, stop > and carry the bike over the offending gravel section. Strange to me. I've ridden many miles on 23 mm tires of gravel. Unless the gravel is loose it's not a problem. But then I grew up doing a lot of riding on gravel; I just keep going because it doesn't feel funny to me. It's probably like the Belgians and cobbles- just what you're used to. My grandparents lived on a farm in Michigan surrounded by gravel roads. There are a bunch of gravel road enthusiasts around the Twin Cities, have their own mailing list and (appropriately enough) loosely organized rides. I haven't gotten out to any of those, having previously had a lot of schedule conflicts on the weekends. I've noticed that gravel used on roads is much larger than it used to be; when I was a kid gravel on roads tended to be fine grained (1/4" or smaller) and "locked down" pretty quickly but nowadays gravel seems to be 1/2" to 1" as a general rule. The bigger gravel is less stable under a wheel. Given the politics that erupt around gravel mining locally, it is possible that- like oil- we've used up a lot of the higher quality easily accessible resources. IME coarser gravel needs bigger tires to avoid plowing through it and bogging down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
The Grifo XS roll beautifully on pavement! Just as well as (actually, possibly even faster than) the JB Greens, despite the nibbly knobs. And I'm not saying that to dis' the JB Greens, which I like a lot and think are really great tires. I've ridden the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix on gravel/dirt a few times and have never flatted. They don't have enough volume for gonzo trail riding, but I've done that too on a whim and didn't flat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 08:55 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: > > Strange to me. I've ridden many miles on 23 mm tires of gravel. > Unless the gravel is loose it's not a problem. But then I grew up > doing a lot of riding on gravel; I just keep going because it doesn't > feel funny to me. It's probably like the Belgians and cobbles- just > what you're used to. My grandparents lived on a farm in Michigan > surrounded by gravel roads. There are a bunch of gravel road > enthusiasts around the Twin Cities, have their own mailing list and > (appropriately enough) loosely organized rides. I haven't gotten out > to any of those, having previously had a lot of schedule conflicts on > the weekends. > > I've noticed that gravel used on roads is much larger than it used to > be; when I was a kid gravel on roads tended to be fine grained (1/4" > or smaller) and "locked down" pretty quickly but nowadays gravel seems > to be 1/2" to 1" as a general rule. The bigger gravel is less stable > under a wheel. Given the politics that erupt around gravel mining > locally, it is possible that- like oil- we've used up a lot of the > higher quality easily accessible resources. > > IME coarser gravel needs bigger tires to avoid plowing through it and > bogging down. Agreed. Also I find that being heavier than most, even 25mm tires are very unsatisfactory for me on gravel roads: they skitter around and feel very unsteady. The wider I go, the more planted the bike feels and the more secure I am. I was very surprised when I switched from CdlVs to Hetres and did the same gravel road descent and found that where I'd initially felt as though I was riding ten tenths at around 12 mph with the CdlVs that with the Hetres I was taking the same descents at 18-20 mph and feeling all laid back and casual. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
