[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I'm not sure how to interpret Grant's description of the bike. Is this basically a Rivendell Cruiser bike? Regardless of it's specific purpose, I really like it...maybe more than the existing Riv line-up. 100% of my riding is around the subdivision for exercise and on several of the excellent (but not connected) multi-use trails scattered about the metro area. No touring. No club rides. No commuting. I've been planning on building up a decent or nice multi-speed "cruiser" style bike, some- what inspired by the old English 3-speeds. I'm on the lookout for a vintage frame to build on and I've also got my eyes on the Surly LHT frame as a basis. The Hunqapillar is on the list as well but there are a lot of compromises based on what I want I what I would have to spend. This new bike might be spot-on to my needs to the extent that I would be willing to make the sacrifices needed to purchase one. That is, if it becomes a production model, as Grant has hinted. On Dec 7, 3:09 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J" wrote: > Everything makes sense, except why the horizontal drops? > > Bike looks really great. > > > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:11 PM > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Subject: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS) > > There's pictures of the bike built-up on the Blug. It looks really nice. > Probably not for everyone but nice. I'd ride one but I'm set for a commuter. > it's really making me consider putting upright bars on my QB... > > http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ > > --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > ------ > > > To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you > that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained > in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, > for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal > Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) > promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters > addressed herein. > > > > This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the > addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. > If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) > 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any > email) and any printout thereof. > > Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their > professional qualifications will be provided upon request. > > ======- > Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 10:17 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Function determines (or ought to determine) form! Beauty in craft is > not cosmetic but comes from good (= intelligent: proper ratio of means > to ends) design, which obviously means, "design for the given > purpose." That may well be your religion, but it is not a universal Truth. All welded joints are not equally beautiful: I've seen plenty of perfectly satisfactory weld joints that looked as though they were caulked with dog feces smeared on with a popsicle stick. What's more, paint has but one functional purpose, to protect the underlying surface from the elements. Unattractive colors, blobs, orange peel, all serve the function equally well, but it is absurd to claim they are all equally beautiful because of that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Everything makes sense, except why the horizontal drops? Bike looks really great. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:11 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS) There's pictures of the bike built-up on the Blug. It looks really nice. Probably not for everyone but nice. I'd ride one but I'm set for a commuter. it's really making me consider putting upright bars on my QB... http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
On Dec 7, 1:09 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J" wrote: > Everything makes sense, except why the horizontal drops? > Probably so that it can be set up as a singlespeed if one chooses. My commuter is a singlespeed, it just makes sense for me given that my commute is short and relatively flat. Certainly easier to keep the drivetrain clean and running smoothly. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
It's a Long-Long! On Dec 7, 12:10 pm, Mike wrote: > There's pictures of the bike built-up on the Blug. It looks really > nice. Probably not for everyone but nice. I'd ride one but I'm set for > a commuter. it's really making me consider putting upright bars on my > QB... > > http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
There's pictures of the bike built-up on the Blug. It looks really nice. Probably not for everyone but nice. I'd ride one but I'm set for a commuter. it's really making me consider putting upright bars on my QB... http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
603?? Drat. Had just stocked up on 601s. Sigh. You also forgot the retro-direct shifting. As well as lugged (to the frame) non-adjustable in any way seatpost. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 7, 12:08 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the. 603 mm bsd wheel size... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I tried Shimano IGHs a few years ago. Went through three of them in <2,000 miles. At first I thought it was my weight; that they simply weren't made to operate under the torques induced by a 275lb (at the time) person. It might also have been the gritty nature of the paths I rode. But the last hub, which lasted more than 1,000 miles, would not shift much at all when it was 20 degrees or colder. That was the final nail; I ride year round and park outside in the Chicago area. A shifting system that literally froze just didn't work for me. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean who finds IGHs appealing but has IGH CFS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SmxdksGjOkUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
That might've been an amusing endeavor 5 years ago. In *this* economy..? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XuuWZCZ5ZA0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the. 603 mm bsd wheel size... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/YjLBv93b4JQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
The first of the ten early adopters to document riding the HS across the country should get there's for free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VsZVSdcWJZgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
you forgot electric assist! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/apsXxFcEIg4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Here's what I'm expecting: belt-drive IGH with STI-type shifters and proprietary aluminum-spoked wheels. I'm surprised, frankly, that the frame is made of steel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/w2eMhFSArjIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
... as in drum or roller-brakes??? On Dec 6, 1:53 pm, William wrote: > >it feels more like a V.2 for Bomba. > > I'll disagree that conjecture just on the grounds of it looking like a > caliper-brake only bike. No canti posts, no disk mounts, no apparent > provisions for a hub-brake of any kind, except maybe in the rear if those > tentacle-stays have something to do with braking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I wish it'd be belt-drive friendly... ... Tse-Sung Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
This is intriguing -- but see GP's comment in the most recent post: "The bike isn't a normal road or trail or touring bike. It's something else. It will DO those things, because it's a good all-around bike..." It's hard to imagine he would characterize a Scorcher single speed as a touring bike -- and even harder to see it fitting the original June description: * elegant to an extreme without being a sissy, foppish, nostalgic bike. * not for extreme riding. Basically for everyday use. You could ride across the country on it, easily. You could (and I will) take it on trails. I'm still mystified -- will we get the Big Reveal tomorrow? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Till Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:15 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS) My own wild speculation: We know that this frame is made to work with the new bars coming out as well, previously referred to as the "BU" or "Back Up Bar," which is a vaguely cruiser-ish upright bar in the style of Nitto Albatross/Promenade, or various Wald bars. Looking at the photo, something which struck me was it seemed like the top tube was relatively long for the seat tube size. And this would make sense for using a swept-back bar like this, and suggesting that this bike is Grant's attempt to design a bike more specifically for bars like this, rather than previous models which are designed to work equally well with all the types of bars that Riv sells. What else do we know about the frame, aside from the weird asymmetry and the presence of carry-strap braze-ons? It has horizontal dropouts but no specific provisions for an IGH, suggesting that Grant intends it to be used for single-speed or fixed-gear usage at least some of the time. It also doesn't have canti posts, suggesting that it is made for (at most) ~40mm tires and fenders, assuming it uses 55-73mm reach sidepulls. So, a frame with a long top tube to accomodate cruiser-ish swept-back bars, to be used, at least some of the time, as a single-gear bike, with relatively narrow (by Riv standards) tires? This is a Rivendell Scorcher. At least, my bet is that the "S" in "HS" is for Scorcher. Or some kind of tribute to early 20th century american frame design, even if it has gears. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SuDFhzZbIfsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
"would hate to see Rivendell bicycles degenerate into mere stylistic whimsey." Don't get me wrong... I most definitely love the ride and fit of my AHH but I also love it's "stylistic whimsey". One of the things that continues to draw me toward the riv thing is their willingness to do things for style and whimsey. examples off the top of my head... the lugs could be way more plain, but they're not... great effort went into those cut outs 2-tone paint job... one color would protect the steel just as well as 2 and filling those windows is completely unnecessary.. but it looks so good Look at any riv head badge... there are many simpler ways to mark a frame Special edition Phil "Rivy" hubs... even the product description says the cutouts are for looks canvas bags... there are stronger, lighter, cheaper, more waterproof, more UV resistant, more durable fabrics out there... but none of them are as stylish as canvas. Even 2TT could arguably fall under stylistic whimsey I think stylistic whimsey one of the things many of us like so much about these bikes. But I don't know many Riv owners in persons... maybe I'm the vain one. Or maybe I have a different definition of "stylistic whimsey" Either way, I'm on the edge of my seat to see how this thing builds up. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vjEqHZfsvjQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Takes me 5 minutes to change a tire on my saluki, don't even have to take off the cable anchor. Takes some extra forethought when you set it up the first time but think alot of the bad vibes about igh comes from unfamiliarity with how to set them up compared to the much more familiar derailuer setup. On Dec 6, 2011 8:52 PM, "Joe Bernard" wrote: > From what I've read, that's not a common occurence with current Shimano IG > hubs. As far as working on tires in sub-zero weather..yeah..that sounds > rough. You'd want a derailer bike for those conditions. Or a car. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UqD7YZ7r7ZsJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Then there's the hub on my Raleigh Superbe, stamped "74" and apparently going strong almost 40 years after it was made: http://tinyurl.com/76huecq --Eric N Sent from my iPad2 On Dec 6, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > It is a common occurrence on the IGH hubs that see heavy use in foul weather, > Rohloff excepted. We have to replace several Shimano and SRAM IGHs every > year, which is always a huge let-down to their owners, who believed the hype > on the Internet that these things go forever with no maintenance. If the > manufacturers made the small parts available for repair, I would take them > more seriously. One tech at SRAM told me that one of their $200+ hubs was > intended for "cruisers and low-torque applications", not for serious everyday > use. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5uLd7M5F9hYJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I'm surprised people think of them as "no maintenance". I didn't know that. But then, I don't think of *any* moving part that way.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/McUjNpOEd0gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
It is a common occurrence on the IGH hubs that see heavy use in foul weather, Rohloff excepted. We have to replace several Shimano and SRAM IGHs every year, which is always a huge let-down to their owners, who believed the hype on the Internet that these things go forever with no maintenance. If the manufacturers made the small parts available for repair, I would take them more seriously. One tech at SRAM told me that one of their $200+ hubs was intended for "cruisers and low-torque applications", not for serious everyday use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5uLd7M5F9hYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
This couldn't be some sorta Electra-type bike could it? On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Jeremy Till wrote: > My own wild speculation: > > We know that this frame is made to work with the new bars coming out as > well, previously referred to as the "BU" or "Back Up Bar," which is a > vaguely cruiser-ish upright bar in the style of Nitto Albatross/Promenade, > or various Wald bars. Looking at the photo, something which struck me was > it seemed like the top tube was relatively long for the seat tube size. And > this would make sense for using a swept-back bar like this, and suggesting > that this bike is Grant's attempt to design a bike more specifically for > bars like this, rather than previous models which are designed to work > equally well with all the types of bars that Riv sells. > > What else do we know about the frame, aside from the weird asymmetry and the > presence of carry-strap braze-ons? It has horizontal dropouts but no > specific provisions for an IGH, suggesting that Grant intends it to be used > for single-speed or fixed-gear usage at least some of the time. It also > doesn't have canti posts, suggesting that it is made for (at most) ~40mm > tires and fenders, assuming it uses 55-73mm reach sidepulls. > > So, a frame with a long top tube to accomodate cruiser-ish swept-back bars, > to be used, at least some of the time, as a single-gear bike, with > relatively narrow (by Riv standards) tires? > > This is a Rivendell Scorcher. At least, my bet is that the "S" in "HS" is > for Scorcher. Or some kind of tribute to early 20th century american frame > design, even if it has gears. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SuDFhzZbIfsJ. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
My own wild speculation: We know that this frame is made to work with the new bars coming out as well, previously referred to as the "BU" or "Back Up Bar," which is a vaguely cruiser-ish upright bar in the style of Nitto Albatross/Promenade, or various Wald bars. Looking at the photo, something which struck me was it seemed like the top tube was relatively long for the seat tube size. And this would make sense for using a swept-back bar like this, and suggesting that this bike is Grant's attempt to design a bike more specifically for bars like this, rather than previous models which are designed to work equally well with all the types of bars that Riv sells. What else do we know about the frame, aside from the weird asymmetry and the presence of carry-strap braze-ons? It has horizontal dropouts but no specific provisions for an IGH, suggesting that Grant intends it to be used for single-speed or fixed-gear usage at least some of the time. It also doesn't have canti posts, suggesting that it is made for (at most) ~40mm tires and fenders, assuming it uses 55-73mm reach sidepulls. So, a frame with a long top tube to accomodate cruiser-ish swept-back bars, to be used, at least some of the time, as a single-gear bike, with relatively narrow (by Riv standards) tires? This is a Rivendell Scorcher. At least, my bet is that the "S" in "HS" is for Scorcher. Or some kind of tribute to early 20th century american frame design, even if it has gears. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SuDFhzZbIfsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
are there no canti mounts? coaster brake off road camper? fixed? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CGFOTSMwUyYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
>From what I've read, that's not a common occurence with current Shimano IG hubs. As far as working on tires in sub-zero weather..yeah..that sounds rough. You'd want a derailer bike for those conditions. Or a car. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UqD7YZ7r7ZsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Am with Jim on this. Had a Nexus equipped bike that barely made it through one winter before needing complete replacement. (Shimano took care of it under warranty). And changing a tire in serious sub-zero weather was a challenge, to say the least. Although the older Sturmey 3 speeds seem to be the best of the lot. Getting back to the bike, and looking at the photos again, it just appears to be a normal setup. Maybe could run it single speed, but doubt it. Grant does mention it has a specific purpose. One that I'm stymied about. Then again, it's not a worry since I didn't order one. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 6, 5:17 pm, Joe Bernard wrote: > Many people like them for the simplified shifting - no cog/chainring jumping > - plus the ability to downshift while stopped. I am one of those people. My > derailer bikes are swell, but I like my Nexus-hubbed Electra Amsterdam a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Whimsy (sheesh). With them splayed in opposite directions like that, I think he's letting you in on the joke. As for the carry strap vs. carry tube, I reckon a very non-trivial cost savings: with lugs, mitering, and brazing... Plus one for the the weight wiennies too. Regards, -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QSHNHFOuwWAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
and they all proceeded to hold their breath... :) On Dec 6, 12:53 pm, William wrote: > >it feels more like a V.2 for Bomba. > > I'll disagree that conjecture just on the grounds of it looking like a > caliper-brake only bike. No canti posts, no disk mounts, no apparent > provisions for a hub-brake of any kind, except maybe in the rear if those > tentacle-stays have something to do with braking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
>it feels more like a V.2 for Bomba. I'll disagree that conjecture just on the grounds of it looking like a caliper-brake only bike. No canti posts, no disk mounts, no apparent provisions for a hub-brake of any kind, except maybe in the rear if those tentacle-stays have something to do with braking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eOJtzwO2xNIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Goodness gracious I love my 2TT Hillborne. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NLj5-9hVGpYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
> And the internal hubs I've used have
> been MORE trouble than a derailleur setup.
Agreed. IGH have their fans and many benefits.
But at least as of 3 years back when I sold my OEM Rolhoff bike, they
were more complicated than necessary for daily commuting in Chicago
and touring in the relatively flat Midwest. Might make more sense in
the Bay area with so many ups and downs.
On Dec 6, 12:42 am, Philip Williamson
wrote:
> I expected a steel tube handle instead of a strap, myself.
>
> Drat! I thought the seat tube looked extremely slack, but Photoshop
> tells me it's a dead-on 72 degrees. Personally, I'm not holding my
> breath for an IGH Rivendell bike. It would be a little like Grant
> suddenly rolling low-trail forks. And the internal hubs I've used have
> been MORE trouble than a derailleur setup. My wife's Belleville is, so
> far, the lone exception, being equally no-trouble-at-all as a
> derailleured bike.
>
> The midstays kind of freak me out, going everywhichaway. But... the
> left stay is well situated to brace the (minimal) forces of a coaster
> brake reaction arm... but, there's a cable stop on the top tube, which
> can only be ("most likely is") for a rear brake. And you know what's
> cool? The diagatube doesn't even rate a mention.
>
> I'm really enjoying this. If I'd pledged $1500, I might be a little
> antsy. :^)
>
> Philip
>
> Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> On Dec 5, 1:52 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > D-shaped braze-ons have to be anchor points for a carrying strap -- see
> > Grant's Atlantis in the Staph Bikes post, which has one made of what looks
> > like rim tape.
>
> >
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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>
> > It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the
> > assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped
> > braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things.
>
> >http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2
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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I guess I've got IGH on the mind since I saw a newish (perfect paint, new saddle) Hilsen with that setup at the bike rack this past week. Given, every aspect of the bike appeared new, I wondered whether it came from Riv with that setup. But looking at the shots today, I dunno. Mysterioso like an off-road camper. Relooking at the BLUG pictures, it feels more like a V.2 for Bomba. On Dec 6, 8:30 am, Ginz wrote: > Joe -- good insight. I don't believe it is an IGH, either. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Yup. Gotta wait for the build -- all will be revealed -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of robert zeidler Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:32 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS) What have I gotten myself into..? RGZ On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I'm gonna say that diagatubes in the rear triangle which look like flailing > tentacles is pretty different.. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LPI3LmpkwiIJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
What have I gotten myself into..? RGZ On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I'm gonna say that diagatubes in the rear triangle which look like flailing > tentacles is pretty different.. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LPI3LmpkwiIJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I'm gonna say that diagatubes in the rear triangle which look like flailing tentacles is pretty different.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LPI3LmpkwiIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I hope there is an engineering reason for those weird mid-stay stays; would hate to see Rivendell bicycles degenerate into mere stylistic whimsey. Function determines (or ought to determine) form! Beauty in craft is not cosmetic but comes from good (= intelligent: proper ratio of means to ends) design, which obviously means, "design for the given purpose." The four Rivs I've owned (two left) have *all* been first and foremost very nice fitting and (except in my case, the Sam Hill) very nice riding bikes designed to perfectly fulfill a given function. Of course, there is (as Plato pointed out) the universal beauty of geometrical shapes -- not to mention that of colors -- but then you are dealing with sculpture or painting or both and not with a craft object meant to serve a given physical purpose. Patrick "Philosophe" Moore (who deliberately left out the terminal "r" since this conceit is expressed in French). On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Dan wrote: > well, then, I for one don't see a heckuvalot that's unusual. Quirky > and eccentric, maybe, but still looks like a Riv. > > On Dec 6, 10:34 am, Joe Bernard wrote: > > No canti mounts. You're seeing midmount rack eyelets. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
well, then, I for one don't see a heckuvalot that's unusual. Quirky and eccentric, maybe, but still looks like a Riv. On Dec 6, 10:34 am, Joe Bernard wrote: > No canti mounts. You're seeing midmount rack eyelets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
No canti mounts. You're seeing midmount rack eyelets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/i7AhTkJYIhoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Hmmm -- do the canti braze-ons look like they're set for small wheels to anybody else? Dan S., SW Wisc. On Dec 6, 10:05 am, MSmith wrote: > I think the extra, asymmetrical "chainstays" are purely aesthetic whimsy. > The mixte lug for the diagatube has sockets for stays to go back to the > rear dropout. In the description, Grant mentions that he wanted a diagonal > tube - functional use be damned! He used the mixte lug, in lieu of the > Hunqha lug, so here are these extra sockets that can be ground off > (boring) of he could stick some crazy tubes to: a) look interesting and > unique, b) because things don't always need a purpose, c) and the likes of > the people on this list would have a field day trying to figure out WHY. > > Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. > > Cheers- Mike in So. Boston, Mass -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I think the extra, asymmetrical "chainstays" are purely aesthetic whimsy. The mixte lug for the diagatube has sockets for stays to go back to the rear dropout. In the description, Grant mentions that he wanted a diagonal tube - functional use be damned! He used the mixte lug, in lieu of the Hunqha lug, so here are these extra sockets that can be ground off (boring) of he could stick some crazy tubes to: a) look interesting and unique, b) because things don't always need a purpose, c) and the likes of the people on this list would have a field day trying to figure out WHY. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Cheers- Mike in So. Boston, Mass -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Joe -- good insight. I don't believe it is an IGH, either. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Ok, I give up. The update mentions shifters (plural); and borrowing wheels at the shop, which eliminates IGH 'cause there ain't no spare IGHs littering RBW HQ. See, we shall. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AlY_lOfgVxUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Couldn’t it be a choice between single speed and cassette? Whatever it is, it is a great looking frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NIytwGf9eDYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
My guess would be the d-shaped braze-ons are chainguard hangers. That might explain the dropouts and the tubing in the rear triangle. Perhaps Riv is ready to make bikes for internal hubs. On Dec 5, 3:31 pm, Joe Bernard wrote: > It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the > assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped > braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things. > > http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I'm struggling to understand it. From what I can tell, the mixte-like rear stays curve to connect to the seat stay on the drive side, but to the chainstay on the non-drive side. My first reaction was that this was due to the inherent asymmetry in the stress on the rear triangle that results from having the drive chain on one side; many years ago I had a rear hub on an old MTB get so loose that the front of the rear tire rubbed the inside of the non-drive chainstay during hard pedal strokes due to the torque imparted (about a vertical axis) by the chain pulling forward on the right side of the rear wheel. I suppose, even with a properly adjusted hub, similar forces are communicated to the rear dropouts. I have no idea why this would be a way to address this, however. My second thought is that having the mixte stay attach to the chainstay is the ideal solution for whatever problem Grant is addressing, but that it would interfere with the chain on the drive side, so curving up to the seat stay is the next best thing. For some reason, meeting at the rear dropout is being avoided. Other things I can't help but notice: derailer hanger with a horizontal dropout so it can be run geared, singlespeed, or... IGH? Appears to have shifter braze-ons on the down tube as well FWIW. As for the loops, they look like something to run a strap through to me. Could this be some sort of cargo-oriented bike? Just my first reactions and subsequent brainstorm. Your guesses are as good as mine. Daniel M -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I expected a steel tube handle instead of a strap, myself.
Drat! I thought the seat tube looked extremely slack, but Photoshop
tells me it's a dead-on 72 degrees. Personally, I'm not holding my
breath for an IGH Rivendell bike. It would be a little like Grant
suddenly rolling low-trail forks. And the internal hubs I've used have
been MORE trouble than a derailleur setup. My wife's Belleville is, so
far, the lone exception, being equally no-trouble-at-all as a
derailleured bike.
The midstays kind of freak me out, going everywhichaway. But... the
left stay is well situated to brace the (minimal) forces of a coaster
brake reaction arm... but, there's a cable stop on the top tube, which
can only be ("most likely is") for a rear brake. And you know what's
cool? The diagatube doesn't even rate a mention.
I'm really enjoying this. If I'd pledged $1500, I might be a little
antsy. :^)
Philip
Philip Williamson
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On Dec 5, 1:52 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
wrote:
> D-shaped braze-ons have to be anchor points for a carrying strap -- see
> Grant's Atlantis in the Staph Bikes post, which has one made of what looks
> like rim tape.
>
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>
> It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the
> assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped
> braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things.
>
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2
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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Thanks for bringing the Patterson crank to my attention, it seems really cool. Except that "die cast alloy" makes me think of the cheap metal cars I was always breaking as a kid. Eek. Philip On Dec 5, 7:51 pm, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > I think the anchor mechanism is built into the Schlumpf BB mount... > that crank is one fancy piece of engineering. And then there's the > lower-priced FSA Metropolis Patterson crank, which doesn't require any > anchor point... pretty cool. > > On Dec 5, 10:07 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Grant has voiced opposition to IGHs before, and nothing about this suggests > > this will be a dedicated IGH bike. This one appears to lack the Rohloff OEM > > mount, as well as the ISCG tab for a Hammerschmidt crank (HS?). No anchor > > point for the Schlumpf either. > > > The horizontal dropout with derailleur hanger doesn't seem weird. Most > > older bikes have that feature, as does the Surly Cross-check, and many > > others. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
but why is the hanger so short? that stubbly little thing will likely limit the range of the casette? wild speculation abounds Rob On Dec 5, 7:36 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > The horizontals make me think IGH more than anything else. It's the only > Rivendell bike to have them (other than custom), which is significant. > > What's he doing in there...? > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < > > > > > > thill@gmail.com> wrote: > > Grant has voiced opposition to IGHs before, and nothing about this > > suggests this will be a dedicated IGH bike. This one appears to lack the > > Rohloff OEM mount, as well as the ISCG tab for a Hammerschmidt crank (HS?). > > No anchor point for the Schlumpf either. > > > The horizontal dropout with derailleur hanger doesn't seem weird. Most > > older bikes have that feature, as does the Surly Cross-check, and many > > others. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/klSbbak0grEJ. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > **- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I'll take a guess that the diagatube stays have something to do with forces generated by the drive being on the right side & wanting to twist the rear triangle. But that's a real longshot, considering it's not a problem on other Rivs. Maybe the natural progression of the 2TT? Sounds like he's on a mission to build it; maybe we'll hear more by week's end. Lifting the cloak has only deepened the mystery. dougP On Dec 5, 1:31 pm, Joe Bernard wrote: > It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the > assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped > braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things. > > http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I think the anchor mechanism is built into the Schlumpf BB mount... that crank is one fancy piece of engineering. And then there's the lower-priced FSA Metropolis Patterson crank, which doesn't require any anchor point... pretty cool. On Dec 5, 10:07 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Grant has voiced opposition to IGHs before, and nothing about this suggests > this will be a dedicated IGH bike. This one appears to lack the Rohloff OEM > mount, as well as the ISCG tab for a Hammerschmidt crank (HS?). No anchor > point for the Schlumpf either. > > The horizontal dropout with derailleur hanger doesn't seem weird. Most older > bikes have that feature, as does the Surly Cross-check, and many others. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
Ha! Just saw the photo of the HS. Last March, Grant showed Erin and me his beautiful design of asymmetrical seatstays. He had a bit of a rig set up and showed 'em to us over a latte. I remember how stunning they were and how he was playing with the idea. In June, when the speculation began, not wanting to tip Grant's cap too much (given the great windshield escapade) I wrote the following post: "I think the new bike will have creative and beautiful seat stays here- to-for never seen." liesl 'Vindication will come. Just you wait.' in minneapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
But I just looked again at the left side diagatube. I think you're right. Gear range be damned... -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:47 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS) I was thinking more far afield. Sturmey Archer 3 or 5 speed with coaster brake. Wouldn't the brake arm end up just under the left side curvatube? So, an option between that and a 1x9 derailer option. An aside - have run a 1x9 during the summer on a non-Riv bike. Discovered a 39T front combined with a 12-36 rear made for a very useful combination. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 5, 7:25 pm, James Warren wrote: > If it makes more demand for jtek to make the Alfine 11 bar-end shifter, I'm > all for it. jtek says they're working on it, though. Of course, I'm getting > way ahead of things here. > > > -Original Message- > From: Joe Bernard > Sent: Dec 5, 2011 3:10 PM > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) > I think an Alfine is more in line with a production IGH bike Rivendell would > produce: It's more "105 level" to the Rohloff's "Dura-Ace" expensiveness. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web > visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7J4U_pabMeAJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I'm skeptical GP would consider the gear range of an SA 3 or SA 5 trail or touring worthy, which he says this bike is. Maybe. But the gearing Riv typically recommends for touring -- say 46-36-24 and 13-32 or 13-36 on the back -- yields a range of almost 500%; the Sturmey 3 speed is only like 160%, as I recall, and the 5 speed is maybe a little over 250%. 1 x 9 13-36 is still less than 300% -- not bad, for sure, and useful, but less then ideal for touring. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:47 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS) I was thinking more far afield. Sturmey Archer 3 or 5 speed with coaster brake. Wouldn't the brake arm end up just under the left side curvatube? So, an option between that and a 1x9 derailer option. An aside - have run a 1x9 during the summer on a non-Riv bike. Discovered a 39T front combined with a 12-36 rear made for a very useful combination. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 5, 7:25 pm, James Warren wrote: > If it makes more demand for jtek to make the Alfine 11 bar-end shifter, I'm > all for it. jtek says they're working on it, though. Of course, I'm getting > way ahead of things here. > > > -Original Message- > From: Joe Bernard > Sent: Dec 5, 2011 3:10 PM > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) > I think an Alfine is more in line with a production IGH bike Rivendell would > produce: It's more "105 level" to the Rohloff's "Dura-Ace" expensiveness. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web > visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7J4U_pabMeAJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)
I was thinking more far afield. Sturmey Archer 3 or 5 speed with coaster brake. Wouldn't the brake arm end up just under the left side curvatube? So, an option between that and a 1x9 derailer option. An aside - have run a 1x9 during the summer on a non-Riv bike. Discovered a 39T front combined with a 12-36 rear made for a very useful combination. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 5, 7:25 pm, James Warren wrote: > If it makes more demand for jtek to make the Alfine 11 bar-end shifter, I'm > all for it. jtek says they're working on it, though. Of course, I'm getting > way ahead of things here. > > > -Original Message- > From: Joe Bernard > Sent: Dec 5, 2011 3:10 PM > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) > I think an Alfine is more in line with a production IGH bike Rivendell would > produce: It's more "105 level" to the Rohloff's "Dura-Ace" expensiveness. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web > visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7J4U_pabMeAJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
