Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
I like both of the helmets which of the two is first choice for you? On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 11:03:32 AM UTC-7, Jeff wrote: > > I have a Giro Aspect and Giro Reverb - the former looks to have an > exorbitant list price of $175 but I'm positive I didn't pay that much, my > recollection is that my price was similar to the price of the Reverb, which > was $60. > > I like these helmets because they don't have a super-racy profile, they > fit my medium-large head nicely, and they have a detachable soft brim that > looks like you have a short brim cycling cap on underneath. I can't wear > those caps for most of the year - too hot, but I appreciate the brim for > the bit of shade it gives my eyes. The Reverb is ventilated, but not too > much, so it's more of my winter helmet now, while the Aspect has a bit more > ventilation. > > [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2] > > -Jeff > Silver Spring, MD > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ron Mc > > wrote: > >> my buddy just got one of the Giro's with the snap-in sunglasses - I like >> it except it doesn't have a bill or a mirror or blinkies... >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
I lurk and seldom post here, but there is some interesting content and I would like to weigh in. I use Bell helmets, for some reason they fit my head best. In 2002 I was in a bike lane @ about 18 to 20 mph, and there was a six foot wide by six foot deep ditch the width of the lane. The crew fixing the pipes underground failed to put a steel plate over it. The woman in front of me (about 50 yards) crashed, broke her ribs, arm, collarbone, punctured her lung and it collapsed. Her head was fine. Due to her helmet. My front wheel went into goes into the ditch. It was an abyss and my bike disappears. I have over 40 years experience in the martial arts, with lots of training in taking falls. I rolled, instinctively , broke fall , stood, the pain that ripped through my body was so intense I fell to the ground. Another rider pulled me to the side of the bike lane and got my bike. He thought my roll was cool (LOL), my fork was bent, downtube bent,wheel was true. Riv content: I was on my Lemond that day, Riv was spared. My helmet looked ok, the plastic was lightly cracked. The foam inside had deep cracks. And it was a glancing blow from my roll. Moral of the story: even with all my training for falls, more than most humans on Earth, I am glad I was wearing my helmet. I rode the bent bike home (steel rules). Mark Rosenberg Www.youtube.com/howtostretch SDCA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
My problem with helmets is that I have a w-i-d-e head. I measure out to 7 1/2 or 7 3/4 for a ball cap, so I guess big and wide, not a good combo. I feel sorry for Mom, I guess Dad too. Helmets tend to fit but push into the sides of my head and end up giving headaches. So rarely do I wear them.When required at events I usually end up in a hairnet. Most organizers don't specify the TYPE of helmet that is required, only that a helmet must be worn. I don't have the actual name of the helmet, but I did find one of the Bell helmets that fit comfortably. To bad it was the race helmet with the integrated faceshield, I looked like one of the Spaceballs guys. Scott On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:08 PM, John Bokman wrote: > I have a Bell Citi helmet in loud yellow with a visor. I like the visor > because I use it to attach my "Take a Look" mirror, which I've really come > to depend on after getting used to it. (Yes, it took me quite a while to > get used to a rear view mirror sticking off the end of my helmet.) > > However, a problem with the helmet, at least for my head: when riding at > speed (say down a long descent), the back of my head, near the ears, begins > to hurt. I think this is caused by wind getting under the visor and thus > shifting the helmet ever so slightly on my head, but I can't be sure. Which > makes me want to take the visor off. But then I loose my mirror. (I have > tried the mirror on glasses and don't like it nearly as much as helmet > mounted.) > > Does anyone else have this problem with their helmet? > > > On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:06:41 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote: >> >> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me >> several years ago. It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and >> probably needs to be replaced. Having only spent about $50 or $60 on >> helmets in the past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new >> helmet. As I started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets >> I'd never seen; (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; >> (3) some of the prices that helmets are hitting these days. I may just try >> to ping on friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so >> often, I may actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not >> looking to start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights >> from those who use 'em. What are people liking out there and why? I'd >> love to hear everyone's latest thoughts on helmets. >> >> >> >> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was >> searching. Some crazy new things coming out. >> >> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding >> -bike-helmet.html >> >> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/ >> >> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Folda >> ble-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CI >> C3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg >> >> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs >> 8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle- >> Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E >> >> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet >> >> >> >> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/ >> >> >> >> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon” >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
I have a Giro Aspect and Giro Reverb - the former looks to have an exorbitant list price of $175 but I'm positive I didn't pay that much, my recollection is that my price was similar to the price of the Reverb, which was $60. I like these helmets because they don't have a super-racy profile, they fit my medium-large head nicely, and they have a detachable soft brim that looks like you have a short brim cycling cap on underneath. I can't wear those caps for most of the year - too hot, but I appreciate the brim for the bit of shade it gives my eyes. The Reverb is ventilated, but not too much, so it's more of my winter helmet now, while the Aspect has a bit more ventilation. [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2] -Jeff Silver Spring, MD On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > my buddy just got one of the Giro's with the snap-in sunglasses - I like > it except it doesn't have a bill or a mirror or blinkies... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
on my 20' toss, I landed on both gloves, my pants and the side/top of my helmet - I had the slightest road rash under my knickers. Maybe one day they'll have a realistic bike air bag, but until then it's just smart to use basic protective gear. And if you ride with your kids, you should be an example to them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
So true, Kai. I was run off the road once and the frame caught a roadside sprinkler. Went from 20mph to 0 real quick. Sent me flying over handlebars. Somehow I managed to flip over, land on my back and slide down the hillside to a smooth stop. Would have been injury free had I not hit a tree with my hip at the bottom (bruises only). I credit years of falling off skateboards as a kid for the 9-ish point landing. Still getting a new helmet, though! John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
"I don't think anyone is disputing the value of avoiding accidents in the first place. The problem is, you can't always. And what then?" Fall good? Whatever the case, helmeted or not, know how to fall. There's no time to think about it, but if you find yourself about to hit something you weren't planning to, fall better. Nearly 40 years of falling on skateboards has taught my body something about self preservation, I rely on that "training" when I fall. Age 8 or 108, we could all benifit from more experience falling right. Gymnastics! Street dancing/parkour! Crashing! -Kai Vierstra Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
There was a huge article (many pages long) in Bicycling (ya, I know) that was the most in depth article I've seen about MIPS and gave a lot of the data gathered by the organization that has done the bulk of testing. MIPS is an attempt at a safety movement, not a marketing movement. I think it's amazing that most MIPS helmets are only $20 more than regular helmets. There are a number of articles of an objective nature online about MIPS if you care to do your own research and reach a conclusion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
On 09/13/2016 05:06 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Dear Eric and Ron, I am not saying what you think I'm saying. I said: "Until helmets can address the basic physics [and biology] of coup countrecoup ... helmets will do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they accomplish something [they do not]. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact." Point being: wear a helmet or not, they can protect against some things but helmets do not do very much if anything to protect against brain damage because coup countrecoup happens regardless of wearing a helmet or not. The greatest safety feature any cyclist has is riding smart to avoid the accident in the first place -- and many many accidents can be avoided by this active safety awareness. Grant does a great job covering some of this in "Just Ride." I don't think anyone is disputing the value of avoiding accidents in the first place. The problem is, you can't always. And what then? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
Dear Eric and Ron, I am not saying what you think I'm saying. I said: "Until helmets can address the basic physics [and biology] of coup countrecoup ... helmets will do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they accomplish something [they do not]. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact." Point being: wear a helmet or not, they can protect against some things but helmets do not do very much if anything to protect against brain damage because coup countrecoup happens regardless of wearing a helmet or not. The greatest safety feature any cyclist has is riding smart to avoid the accident in the first place -- and many many accidents can be avoided by this active safety awareness. Grant does a great job covering some of this in "Just Ride." With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 2:08:14 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote: > > Deacon: > > Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real > world. > > If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s > all cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance > (avoid dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other > driver!), etc. etc. > > None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors > beyond our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit > are too numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical > failures, bad pavement, etc. etc. > > This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a > helmet. I try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a > chance I won’t be able to avoid every mishap. > > This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. > > --Eric N > campyo...@me.com > www.CampyOnly.com > Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com > @Campyonlyguy > > > On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick > wrote: > > To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
Eric is correct - no protection is perfect, so no protection is even better? The false sense of security thing is more hogwash. On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 3:08:14 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote: > > Deacon: > > Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real > world. > > If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s > all cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance > (avoid dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other > driver!), etc. etc. > > None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors > beyond our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit > are too numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical > failures, bad pavement, etc. etc. > > This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a > helmet. I try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a > chance I won’t be able to avoid every mishap. > > This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. > > --Eric N > campyo...@me.com > www.CampyOnly.com > Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com > @Campyonlyguy > > > On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick > wrote: > > To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
Deacon: Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real world. If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s all cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance (avoid dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other driver!), etc. etc. None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors beyond our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit are too numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical failures, bad pavement, etc. etc. This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a helmet. I try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a chance I won’t be able to avoid every mishap. This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. --Eric N campyonly...@me.com www.CampyOnly.com Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com @Campyonlyguy > On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
They do, for racing. On 09/13/2016 02:58 PM, Lungimsam wrote: I wonder why noone is marketing helmets for auto drivers/passengers? Helmet sellers stand to make waaay more money in that arena as there are more car drivers and car passengers on the road than cyclists. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
which is what causes me to buy all my sunglasses at sierratradingpost - often helmets, too, and merino... On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:54:08 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > The same causes that give you the $500 cycling sunglasses: > > > http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/oakley-sunglasses-oo9174-carbon-blade?ID=1531252&pla_country=US&CAGPSPN=pla&CAWELAID=12015634633471&CAAGID=14345894421&CATCI=pla-26723778509&catargetid=120156340001087973&cadevice=c&cm_mmc=Google_Mens_Accessories_PLA-_-Men%27s+Sunglasses+-+GS_Oakley-_-59744373861-_-pg32487_c_kclickid_7f8f75f1-d844-46c0-8d56-612074d9b5f7&trackingid=417x32487&gclid=CODQldzmjM8CFYORfgodQLgJMQ > > >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
The same causes that give you the $500 cycling sunglasses: http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/oakley-sunglasses-oo9174-carbon-blade?ID=1531252&pla_country=US&CAGPSPN=pla&CAWELAID=12015634633471&CAAGID=14345894421&CATCI=pla-26723778509&catargetid=120156340001087973&cadevice=c&cm_mmc=Google_Mens_Accessories_PLA-_-Men%27s+Sunglasses+-+GS_Oakley-_-59744373861-_-pg32487_c_kclickid_7f8f75f1-d844-46c0-8d56-612074d9b5f7&trackingid=417x32487&gclid=CODQldzmjM8CFYORfgodQLgJMQ I wonder how much these glasses and these helmets would cost if the seller charged costs plus a reasonable -- say 100% -- markup? On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:31 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > How can a bicycle helmet cost almost three hundred dollars? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?
I have a Giro Reverb that doesn't look like it came off a Power Rangers studio set. It's round, moderately comfortable and has good ventilation. Other than the vent slots not being quite big enough to get a finger through for scalp scratching, it's pretty much the Moe Howard helmet. When I was commuting about 6 miles each way I'd put tape over the front and top vents to keep my forehead from freezing during the winter. http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/urban/reverb.html It looks like they also have a helmet called the Sutton that may be more your style. It's tiny vent holes would leave me overheating in all but the most frigid conditions. On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Lungimsam wrote: > I don't like riding with a helmet when it is Spring/summer/fall. Too hot. > > However, I really like wearing a helmet in the rain, and in the winter to > keep the wintry blast off my head. > > I have a 2009 helmet that I like. But the outer plastic is starting to lift > away from the Styrofoam body. > > But my problem is that most helmets are made with such a high dome they make > me look funny when I wear them. I have tried others that looked low dome, > but still look high dome on me. > > So I would look for something with a flat, low dome. Anyone know of one that > doesn't cost over 60$US? > > I don't know why no one has developed a more "normal" looking helmet, with > low dome, meaning something that looks like regular clothes, and not all > science fiction like most helmets look. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Scott Loveless Camp Hill, PA USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\<,_ (*)/ (*) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
