Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Roberta]

Laura,

I think you'll be very happy--it rides so well.  Perhaps, now that there is 
so much information on this thread especially from Kate and Chris, my next 
set of tires might be 48's.  That will further help distinguish my two 
bikes.  I just love my Platy!

Roberta

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 9:51:18 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the continued feedback. I took my dog out on a long hike during 
> the Susie presale! I was relieved that the smalls sold out before I got 
> back home. I did not want the temptation!
>
> I am looking forward to a Platypus. It is nice to have plenty of time to 
> collect all of the components I will need. I wish they would announce 
> colors for the next shipment in advance!!!
>
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 8:37:08 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh My, I love the dog, the bike, and the story too.
>> What a time you will have.  So happy for you.  It is a special 'pixie 
>> dust' indeed!  
>> Many happy miles of riding is my wish for you and your friend!
>> Love, Kate[image: IMG_5700.JPG]
>> I rode 25 miles along the New Jersey coast yesterday and had a smile the 
>> entire time.
>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 2:20:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Chris, 
>>>
>>> I love it so much. The dog, the bike, the story. 
>>>
>>> I agree that there is something special about a Platypus, and really, 
>>> the Rivendell mixtes as a group. I so rarely see them re-sold; mostly 
>>> people hang onto them; occasionally I will see one re-sold because it was 
>>> purchased for a spouse and it isn’t being ridden. There is a certain pixie 
>>> dust the elves at Rivendell infuse in the mixte frames, and they are rarely 
>>> parted with! You are so fortunate to have found one for sale. 
>>>
>>> I took my Platypus out exploring the new neighborhood (we just moved 
>>> across the country a few days ago) and it was such a comfort to have this 
>>> familiar, gorgeous creature accompany me on my new adventure.
>>>
>>> Laura, I wish you an orange Platypus!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm going to echo Kate's experience: Just bought a Platy, and it's 
>>> amazing. 
>>>
>>> I had the privilege of visiting RBW in November when we took a trip up 
>>> the coast, after owning a half dozen of their bikes, and got to ride a 
>>> couple of Grant's bikes. I loved the MIT Atlantis, but was thinking the 
>>> Clem was the better bike for me. It rode great. I did not ride, but I did 
>>> look closely at Will's Gus (or Susie). I used to race mountain bikes, but 
>>> pretty much limit my off-roading to hikes in the Los Padres hills near to 
>>> our home. The Gus/Susie looked like more bike than I would need. Having 
>>> said that, I love the design of the Susie, at least as much as the 
>>> Platypus, and my first MTB was a filleted-by-Tom Ritchey. I love that bike, 
>>> but know I don't need the tire clearance it offers. 
>>>
>>> I'd read somewhere on this group that someone preferred a front load on 
>>> their Platypus over their Susie, and that's a big selling point to me. I 
>>> have a hitchhiker who tags along when I ride alone, as you can see in the 
>>> photos. 
>>>
>>> I was going to give the thumbs up on a Clem with Will, and then thought 
>>> what the heck, I'll check Craigslist as long as we're in Sonoma - and there 
>>> was a Platypus for sale. I got there as quick as I could, rode it, and 
>>> bought it right away. It has the most wonderful and lively and predictable 
>>> ride. Gobsmacked. 
>>>
>>> The roads I ride on can be a little rough (only on the Santa Barbara 
>>> side of the city - they are of course pristine over in Montecito), and the 
>>> 48mm tires are more than enough to accommodate the chipseal (again, see the 
>>> photos). I love the low bottom bracket, the chainstay length, and it is the 
>>> most beautiful bike I've ever seen. 
>>>
>>> So that's why *I* selected the Platypus, and it's a marvel of design. 
>>> I'm sure the Susie is the same for its intended purpose, and if I lived 
>>> where the trails were a little wider, and a little less rocky and steep, 
>>> I'd be in your dilemma. 
>>>
>>> You're going to love whichever one you get, and we all look forward to 
>>> the photos. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, 
>>>
>>> Chris 
>>> SB, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[sam . perez . 2002]

Is the Susie better suited for rear loading? I tend to do front loading for 
ease of access. Has anyone experienced a front loaded susie over road/lumpy 
trails.

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> On Dec 19, 2021, at 6:51 AM, Laura  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the continued feedback. I took my dog out on a long hike during 
> the Susie presale! I was relieved that the smalls sold out before I got back 
> home. I did not want the temptation!
> 
> I am looking forward to a Platypus. It is nice to have plenty of time to 
> collect all of the components I will need. I wish they would announce colors 
> for the next shipment in advance!!!
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 8:37:08 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Oh My, I love the dog, the bike, and the story too.
>> What a time you will have.  So happy for you.  It is a special 'pixie 
>> dust' indeed!  
>> Many happy miles of riding is my wish for you and your friend!
>> Love, Kate
>> I rode 25 miles along the New Jersey coast yesterday and had a smile the 
>> entire time.
>>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 2:20:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> Chris, 
>>> 
>>> I love it so much. The dog, the bike, the story. 
>>> 
>>> I agree that there is something special about a Platypus, and really, the 
>>> Rivendell mixtes as a group. I so rarely see them re-sold; mostly people 
>>> hang onto them; occasionally I will see one re-sold because it was 
>>> purchased for a spouse and it isn’t being ridden. There is a certain pixie 
>>> dust the elves at Rivendell infuse in the mixte frames, and they are rarely 
>>> parted with! You are so fortunate to have found one for sale. 
>>> 
>>> I took my Platypus out exploring the new neighborhood (we just moved across 
>>> the country a few days ago) and it was such a comfort to have this 
>>> familiar, gorgeous creature accompany me on my new adventure.
>>> 
>>> Laura, I wish you an orange Platypus!
>>> Leah
>>> 
>>> 
> On Dec 18, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
> 
 Laura
>>> 
 
 I'm going to echo Kate's experience: Just bought a Platy, and it's 
 amazing. 
 
 I had the privilege of visiting RBW in November when we took a trip up the 
 coast, after owning a half dozen of their bikes, and got to ride a couple 
 of Grant's bikes. I loved the MIT Atlantis, but was thinking the Clem was 
 the better bike for me. It rode great. I did not ride, but I did look 
 closely at Will's Gus (or Susie). I used to race mountain bikes, but 
 pretty much limit my off-roading to hikes in the Los Padres hills near to 
 our home. The Gus/Susie looked like more bike than I would need. Having 
 said that, I love the design of the Susie, at least as much as the 
 Platypus, and my first MTB was a filleted-by-Tom Ritchey. I love that 
 bike, but know I don't need the tire clearance it offers. 
 
 I'd read somewhere on this group that someone preferred a front load on 
 their Platypus over their Susie, and that's a big selling point to me. I 
 have a hitchhiker who tags along when I ride alone, as you can see in the 
 photos. 
 
 I was going to give the thumbs up on a Clem with Will, and then thought 
 what the heck, I'll check Craigslist as long as we're in Sonoma - and 
 there was a Platypus for sale. I got there as quick as I could, rode it, 
 and bought it right away. It has the most wonderful and lively and 
 predictable ride. Gobsmacked. 
 
 The roads I ride on can be a little rough (only on the Santa Barbara side 
 of the city - they are of course pristine over in Montecito), and the 48mm 
 tires are more than enough to accommodate the chipseal (again, see the 
 photos). I love the low bottom bracket, the chainstay length, and it is 
 the most beautiful bike I've ever seen. 
 
 So that's why *I* selected the Platypus, and it's a marvel of design. I'm 
 sure the Susie is the same for its intended purpose, and if I lived where 
 the trails were a little wider, and a little less rocky and steep, I'd be 
 in your dilemma. 
 
 You're going to love whichever one you get, and we all look forward to the 
 photos. 
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Chris 
 SB, CA
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

Thanks for the continued feedback. I took my dog out on a long hike during 
the Susie presale! I was relieved that the smalls sold out before I got 
back home. I did not want the temptation!

I am looking forward to a Platypus. It is nice to have plenty of time to 
collect all of the components I will need. I wish they would announce 
colors for the next shipment in advance!!!

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 8:37:08 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Oh My, I love the dog, the bike, and the story too.
> What a time you will have.  So happy for you.  It is a special 'pixie 
> dust' indeed!  
> Many happy miles of riding is my wish for you and your friend!
> Love, Kate[image: IMG_5700.JPG]
> I rode 25 miles along the New Jersey coast yesterday and had a smile the 
> entire time.
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 2:20:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Chris, 
>>
>> I love it so much. The dog, the bike, the story. 
>>
>> I agree that there is something special about a Platypus, and really, the 
>> Rivendell mixtes as a group. I so rarely see them re-sold; mostly people 
>> hang onto them; occasionally I will see one re-sold because it was 
>> purchased for a spouse and it isn’t being ridden. There is a certain pixie 
>> dust the elves at Rivendell infuse in the mixte frames, and they are rarely 
>> parted with! You are so fortunate to have found one for sale. 
>>
>> I took my Platypus out exploring the new neighborhood (we just moved 
>> across the country a few days ago) and it was such a comfort to have this 
>> familiar, gorgeous creature accompany me on my new adventure.
>>
>> Laura, I wish you an orange Platypus!
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>> I'm going to echo Kate's experience: Just bought a Platy, and it's 
>> amazing. 
>>
>> I had the privilege of visiting RBW in November when we took a trip up 
>> the coast, after owning a half dozen of their bikes, and got to ride a 
>> couple of Grant's bikes. I loved the MIT Atlantis, but was thinking the 
>> Clem was the better bike for me. It rode great. I did not ride, but I did 
>> look closely at Will's Gus (or Susie). I used to race mountain bikes, but 
>> pretty much limit my off-roading to hikes in the Los Padres hills near to 
>> our home. The Gus/Susie looked like more bike than I would need. Having 
>> said that, I love the design of the Susie, at least as much as the 
>> Platypus, and my first MTB was a filleted-by-Tom Ritchey. I love that bike, 
>> but know I don't need the tire clearance it offers. 
>>
>> I'd read somewhere on this group that someone preferred a front load on 
>> their Platypus over their Susie, and that's a big selling point to me. I 
>> have a hitchhiker who tags along when I ride alone, as you can see in the 
>> photos. 
>>
>> I was going to give the thumbs up on a Clem with Will, and then thought 
>> what the heck, I'll check Craigslist as long as we're in Sonoma - and there 
>> was a Platypus for sale. I got there as quick as I could, rode it, and 
>> bought it right away. It has the most wonderful and lively and predictable 
>> ride. Gobsmacked. 
>>
>> The roads I ride on can be a little rough (only on the Santa Barbara side 
>> of the city - they are of course pristine over in Montecito), and the 48mm 
>> tires are more than enough to accommodate the chipseal (again, see the 
>> photos). I love the low bottom bracket, the chainstay length, and it is the 
>> most beautiful bike I've ever seen. 
>>
>> So that's why *I* selected the Platypus, and it's a marvel of design. I'm 
>> sure the Susie is the same for its intended purpose, and if I lived where 
>> the trails were a little wider, and a little less rocky and steep, I'd be 
>> in your dilemma. 
>>
>> You're going to love whichever one you get, and we all look forward to 
>> the photos. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> Chris 
>> SB, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Laura,
I just wanted to chime in with my experience so far.  I never sat on a 
Rivendell until I unboxed my new 50 Mermaid Platy (PBH 80).  I have Rene 
Herse 48's on it and ride the bike on NJ roads (huge potholes and glass), 
up and down curbs, across grass parks, gravel towpaths, roots and rocky 
paths even chunky hand sized rocky roads.  It handles like a dream and I 
love everything about it.  It's gorgeous, the color is amazing and I can't 
even think of a reason to have another bike at this time.  It's set up with 
a rack in the back for panniers so I can do some light touring but I'm 
mostly on roads.

You have many good suggestions.  Roberta and Leah both mentioned that you 
could pick up a Suzie now and get a Platy later.  Not a bad idea if you 
want to get on one now.  

I had no idea what I was missing all these years.  Rivendell bikes are 
SWEEET.  I'm in love.

Honeymooning in New Jersey...Kate


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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

iamkeith… I actually came across that photo when researching Riv Bikes. As 
they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. I have also watched the 
Grant presentation twice! I do not compare my vintage ’86 MTB to a Susie in 
ride quality, just that I own a vintage ’86 MTB and I can make into a nice 
trail bike. Life is full of compromises.

BUT, you bring up excellent points! A small Susie with 650B tires is a 
smaller bike all-around. I might fit ‘into’ the bike just fine.

I will need lots of fresh air and exercise this week…

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[iamkeith]

Laura, regarding susie v vintage mtb:  I posted these somewhere about a 
year ago in response to somebody's questions, but they might be appropriate 
again.  Here are shots comparing my susie to one of my old NORBA era 
bikes.  While suited for the same terrain, they are remarkably different.  
You can almost feel the difference just looking.  Your '89 model is 
probably a bit less like a road bike in handling because that was the cusp 
of when mtbs went all-in on the twitchy race geometry, but it'll still be 
more similar to this MB-1 than the Susie.  I still have several old 26" 
mtbs, that I kept riding but, at some point around the mid 2010s after 
getting used to longer and slacker bikes, it became difficult for me to 
think of them as anything other than funny looking but really good road 
bikes.

There's also this hillibike introductory talk from Grant where, about 1/2 
hour in, he mentions that the fillet brazing was selected  in large part 
just to distinguish it from a Clem and make it  more premium, and that 
they'd otherwise be too similar.   That sort of contradicts what I said 
above  about them feeling so different - so it's possible that my 
experience (and high center of gravity that is my chief complaint) is 
altered by my ginormous 2 8 tires and by still having bars with too much 
rise, making me sit too upright.  

https://youtu.be/diTTqXluBEw

Sorry to continue muddling the decision process.  Now that I've chimed in 
with advice, I feel somehow obligated to be as thorough as possible lest I 
steer you wrong.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

Roberta, I loved reading about your path to a Rivendell. I currently have a 
vintage Specialized HardRock, but I am switching over to an ’86 Diamondback 
Ascent, which is a much nicer frame. It will serve as a great trail bike 
for now. I grew tired of vintage road bikes with limited tire clearance, 
which is why I originally looked into Rivendell. Susie has been a wonderful 
distraction, but I am content to wait for a Platypus. I like that my first 
Riv bike will be a distinctly Rivendell-ish ride.

Of course, there is always the possibility I will press the BUY button on a 
Susie in a fit of extravagance!!! Stay tuned…

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 1:12:50 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> Just to put the final nail in the Platypus tire clearance debate's coffin: 
> I'm running the same 2.2" tires as Ray Varella, tubeless, and they fit 
> great with plenty of mud clearance. I'm not going to take a picture, you'll 
> just have to believe us! Those Herse tires are the perfect Platypus tires 
> for mixed surface riding. 
>
> Personally, I'd only get a Gus / Susie if I absolutely *needed* a big MTB 
> tire. That would be riding trails, and by that I mean single track, not 
> unpaved paths and gravel roads, 95% of the time. 
>
> If you'd only like a 2.2" max, get a Platypus or a Clem!
>
> Nathan in pdx 
> On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 18:22:22 UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Oh, boy, am I enjoying this thread.   Laura, our stories are similar and 
>> I was in your position just 4 1/2 years ago.  We are the same age.  Feel 
>> free to jump to executive summary, for those of you who know my story.
>>
>> Background:
>> In HS, I bought a bike in '75 or so (perhaps the same model that you 
>> bought) and rode that happily, except for the frequency of flat tires, 
>> until it got stolen in 1990.  Then I bought a Specialized Hard Rock, a 
>> mountain bike with wider tires.   It was perfect for the poorly maintained 
>> streets of the city,  and I rode that for 30 years until I finally admitted 
>> to myself that although I liked riding, I didn't love riding that mountain 
>> bike as a road bike.   The search was on and I found Rivendell and this 
>> group.
>>
>> I had no preconceptions of which Riv I wanted.  I tested a Cheviot, a Sam 
>> Hillborne, an Atlantis.  I asked the people on the list.   Someone 
>> suggested the Joe Appaloosa, which is what I eventually bought and rode 
>> with dizzying happiness for 3 1/2 years.  That was an investment that 
>> bought me more joy than I imagined.
>>
>> I bought an used A Homer Hilsen to keep at my office so I could ride the 
>> Joe A at home on the weekends and the AHH during the week at work.  I was 
>> in cycling heaven.
>>
>> Then, the Platypus happened.  I wanted a step thru for my retirement bike 
>> a few years into the future.   I heeded the groups advice:  If you see a 
>> bike you want, buy it, because there is no guarantee it will be available 
>> when your time frame comes.
>>
>> As much as I loved the Joe A, that was the one I sold because I never 
>> rode the trails or did touring that would make its ride shine the most--I 
>> ride MUPS and paved trails mostly.
>>
>> Executive Summary:
>> Buy the bike you really want for the job you want to use it for, when the 
>> bike is available.  Listen to your heart.
>>
>> I bought the Platy because it was available "today,"  even though my time 
>> frame was three years out.  I put 43cm barely aggressive tires on my Platy, 
>> because I see it as a sleek road bike, but if I want to rode on dirt packed 
>> paths, I can. (AHH has Gravel King slicks.)   If you want a mostly road 
>> bike that can go onto packed paths, a Platy with wider 48-50's) more 
>> aggressive tires will fit the bill.  If you want more of a bike that goes 
>> on unpaved paths mostly, get the Suzie. 
>>
>> Not unimportant, you'll be able to buy a Suzie years before Platys might 
>> be back in stock.   Whatever Riv's good intentions for promise dates are, 
>> much is out of their control.  I think I waited about 9 months past the 
>> expected due date of my Platy.I see the Suzie/Platy as very 
>> complimentary bikes, much more so than my AHH/Platy.  BTW, if you want one 
>> bike and don't mind a diamond frame, I think the Joe Appaloosa is worth 
>> considering.
>>
>> Here's the good news:  With Rivendells, there isn't a bad choice.  You 
>> could sell a bike that no longer fits your needs and sometimes get lucky on 
>> a used one someone else is selling.  
>>
>> I look forward to seeing pictures of you and your bike when you get it.
>>
>> Roberta
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
>>> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
>>> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
>>> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
>>> would want to buy… I seem 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Nathan F]

Just to put the final nail in the Platypus tire clearance debate's coffin: 
I'm running the same 2.2" tires as Ray Varella, tubeless, and they fit 
great with plenty of mud clearance. I'm not going to take a picture, you'll 
just have to believe us! Those Herse tires are the perfect Platypus tires 
for mixed surface riding. 

Personally, I'd only get a Gus / Susie if I absolutely *needed* a big MTB 
tire. That would be riding trails, and by that I mean single track, not 
unpaved paths and gravel roads, 95% of the time. 

If you'd only like a 2.2" max, get a Platypus or a Clem!

Nathan in pdx 
On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 18:22:22 UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Oh, boy, am I enjoying this thread.   Laura, our stories are similar and I 
> was in your position just 4 1/2 years ago.  We are the same age.  Feel free 
> to jump to executive summary, for those of you who know my story.
>
> Background:
> In HS, I bought a bike in '75 or so (perhaps the same model that you 
> bought) and rode that happily, except for the frequency of flat tires, 
> until it got stolen in 1990.  Then I bought a Specialized Hard Rock, a 
> mountain bike with wider tires.   It was perfect for the poorly maintained 
> streets of the city,  and I rode that for 30 years until I finally admitted 
> to myself that although I liked riding, I didn't love riding that mountain 
> bike as a road bike.   The search was on and I found Rivendell and this 
> group.
>
> I had no preconceptions of which Riv I wanted.  I tested a Cheviot, a Sam 
> Hillborne, an Atlantis.  I asked the people on the list.   Someone 
> suggested the Joe Appaloosa, which is what I eventually bought and rode 
> with dizzying happiness for 3 1/2 years.  That was an investment that 
> bought me more joy than I imagined.
>
> I bought an used A Homer Hilsen to keep at my office so I could ride the 
> Joe A at home on the weekends and the AHH during the week at work.  I was 
> in cycling heaven.
>
> Then, the Platypus happened.  I wanted a step thru for my retirement bike 
> a few years into the future.   I heeded the groups advice:  If you see a 
> bike you want, buy it, because there is no guarantee it will be available 
> when your time frame comes.
>
> As much as I loved the Joe A, that was the one I sold because I never rode 
> the trails or did touring that would make its ride shine the most--I ride 
> MUPS and paved trails mostly.
>
> Executive Summary:
> Buy the bike you really want for the job you want to use it for, when the 
> bike is available.  Listen to your heart.
>
> I bought the Platy because it was available "today,"  even though my time 
> frame was three years out.  I put 43cm barely aggressive tires on my Platy, 
> because I see it as a sleek road bike, but if I want to rode on dirt packed 
> paths, I can. (AHH has Gravel King slicks.)   If you want a mostly road 
> bike that can go onto packed paths, a Platy with wider 48-50's) more 
> aggressive tires will fit the bill.  If you want more of a bike that goes 
> on unpaved paths mostly, get the Suzie. 
>
> Not unimportant, you'll be able to buy a Suzie years before Platys might 
> be back in stock.   Whatever Riv's good intentions for promise dates are, 
> much is out of their control.  I think I waited about 9 months past the 
> expected due date of my Platy.I see the Suzie/Platy as very 
> complimentary bikes, much more so than my AHH/Platy.  BTW, if you want one 
> bike and don't mind a diamond frame, I think the Joe Appaloosa is worth 
> considering.
>
> Here's the good news:  With Rivendells, there isn't a bad choice.  You 
> could sell a bike that no longer fits your needs and sometimes get lucky on 
> a used one someone else is selling.  
>
> I look forward to seeing pictures of you and your bike when you get it.
>
> Roberta
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
>> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
>> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
>> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
>> would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a 
>> kid!
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say 
>>> or do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no 
>>> standard at all ! 
>>>
>>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>>> response to musing about the Susie being 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Roberta]

Oh, boy, am I enjoying this thread.   Laura, our stories are similar and I 
was in your position just 4 1/2 years ago.  We are the same age.  Feel free 
to jump to executive summary, for those of you who know my story.

Background:
In HS, I bought a bike in '75 or so (perhaps the same model that you 
bought) and rode that happily, except for the frequency of flat tires, 
until it got stolen in 1990.  Then I bought a Specialized Hard Rock, a 
mountain bike with wider tires.   It was perfect for the poorly maintained 
streets of the city,  and I rode that for 30 years until I finally admitted 
to myself that although I liked riding, I didn't love riding that mountain 
bike as a road bike.   The search was on and I found Rivendell and this 
group.

I had no preconceptions of which Riv I wanted.  I tested a Cheviot, a Sam 
Hillborne, an Atlantis.  I asked the people on the list.   Someone 
suggested the Joe Appaloosa, which is what I eventually bought and rode 
with dizzying happiness for 3 1/2 years.  That was an investment that 
bought me more joy than I imagined.

I bought an used A Homer Hilsen to keep at my office so I could ride the 
Joe A at home on the weekends and the AHH during the week at work.  I was 
in cycling heaven.

Then, the Platypus happened.  I wanted a step thru for my retirement bike a 
few years into the future.   I heeded the groups advice:  If you see a bike 
you want, buy it, because there is no guarantee it will be available when 
your time frame comes.

As much as I loved the Joe A, that was the one I sold because I never rode 
the trails or did touring that would make its ride shine the most--I ride 
MUPS and paved trails mostly.

Executive Summary:
Buy the bike you really want for the job you want to use it for, when the 
bike is available.  Listen to your heart.

I bought the Platy because it was available "today,"  even though my time 
frame was three years out.  I put 43cm barely aggressive tires on my Platy, 
because I see it as a sleek road bike, but if I want to rode on dirt packed 
paths, I can. (AHH has Gravel King slicks.)   If you want a mostly road 
bike that can go onto packed paths, a Platy with wider 48-50's) more 
aggressive tires will fit the bill.  If you want more of a bike that goes 
on unpaved paths mostly, get the Suzie. 

Not unimportant, you'll be able to buy a Suzie years before Platys might be 
back in stock.   Whatever Riv's good intentions for promise dates are, much 
is out of their control.  I think I waited about 9 months past the expected 
due date of my Platy.I see the Suzie/Platy as very complimentary bikes, 
much more so than my AHH/Platy.  BTW, if you want one bike and don't mind a 
diamond frame, I think the Joe Appaloosa is worth considering.

Here's the good news:  With Rivendells, there isn't a bad choice.  You 
could sell a bike that no longer fits your needs and sometimes get lucky on 
a used one someone else is selling.  

I look forward to seeing pictures of you and your bike when you get it.

Roberta
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
> would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a 
> kid!
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say or 
>> do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard 
>> at all ! 
>>
>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
>> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
>> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
>> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

((   (   (   Laughing with delight on the brink of meaning . at 
least of the human variety !  )  )   )   )  

I do find the quote hilarious and am in no way oh-fended at all by your use 
of it ! I cannot disagree with it.   I'm sure you can relate in *some* way 
lest the phrase even come to your remembrance in the first place. 



On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:54:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
>
> Sorry, Garth, couldn't resist, just yanking your chain; and I do read your 
> posts instead of deleting them with the huge swathes of posts I delete from 
> all lists every day.
>
> Back to regular programming.
>
> (The text is from Dr. Johnson reviewing some novelist.)
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 1:12 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say or 
>> do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard 
>> at all ! 
>>
>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
>> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
>> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
>> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
>>> lugged frames.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is 
 because they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and 
 a 
 threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
 bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
 price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
 criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
 seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen 
 it 
 countless times. 

 That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
 Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter 
 arranged 
 by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
 name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
 ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
 paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
 it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>
> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
> making.
>
> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
> hand-crafted goodness.
>
> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
> Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
> chaos.
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
>> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>>
>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
>> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened 
>> to 
>> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the 
>> extent 
>> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, 
>> and 
>> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Joe Bernard]

Color matters, too. The new/last Susie run will be in Dark Gold and 
LimeOlive and hoo buddy those are pretty colors! 



On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:32:42 PM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

> Ah yes, Rivendell models come and go with great frequency. I tell people, 
> if you see what you like, buy it. Chances are it won't be there later. Some 
> models were made in more quantity so your chances at a resale are better.  
> Some are very scarce. 
>
> To Doug's comment, I would reply, if you think you want a Susie, get it. 
> If you think a Clem or a Platy, or a Cheviot or a Betty Foy or any other 
> model is more your cup of tea, let it slide.   YMMV
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021, 04:12:18 PM CST, Doug H. <
> dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  if the Susie is on the last run buy that one. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 Ah yes, Rivendell models come and go with great frequency. I tell people, if 
you see what you like, buy it. Chances are it won't be there later. Some models 
were made in more quantity so your chances at a resale are better.  Some are 
very scarce. 
To Doug's comment, I would reply, if you think you want a Susie, get it. If you 
think a Clem or a Platy, or a Cheviot or a Betty Foy or any other model is more 
your cup of tea, let it slide.   YMMV
Bruce

On Sunday, December 12, 2021, 04:12:18 PM CST, Doug H. 
 wrote: 
  if the Susie is on the last run buy that one.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Doug H.]

Leah is the utmost authority on Platypus vs Clem L so take her words as 
certain as much as one can knowing we all seem to get something unique from 
the same bicycle. I had the chance to buy a Platypus but decided to get the 
Clem L for two reasons...cost and style. I just prefer the Clem lines. I 
would bet the Platypus will be around for a few years and if the Susie is 
on the last run buy that one. If you don't like it the resale value is 
superb and then you can get a Platypus in 2022.

This is a fun thread to follow as I like bicycle shopping even when I don't 
plan to buy one. ;-)
Doug

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:50:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I still think you're on the right track with a Platypus. I can't remember 
> if I posted a pic of my custom in this thread so if I did, here's another 
> look!  My design criteria for Grant was a mostly-pavement frame with 
> v-brakes, and a low step-over that could handle less than touring loads and 
> less than gnarly trail riding. It's fairly light, quite zippy and has lugs 
> as far as the eyes can see. I think you're looking for the same ride 
> qualities and - from what I've heard Leah say about hers - the Platy fits 
> that bill closely. With lugs!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
>> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
>> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
>> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
>> would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a 
>> kid!
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say 
>>> or do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no 
>>> standard at all ! 
>>>
>>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>>> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
>>> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
>>> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
>>> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
 meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
 possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
 large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
 opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
 within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
 lugged frames.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is 
> because they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and 
> a 
> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of 
> the 
> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock 
> that 
> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen 
> it 
> countless times. 
>
> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter 
> arranged 
> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or 
> break 
> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>
>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment 
>> worth making.
>>
>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>> differences between the Gus & 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, life of Dryden.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 1:54 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> (The text is from Dr. Johnson reviewing some novelist.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Patrick Moore]

"He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."

Sorry, Garth, couldn't resist, just yanking your chain; and I do read your
posts instead of deleting them with the huge swathes of posts I delete from
all lists every day.

Back to regular programming.

(The text is from Dr. Johnson reviewing some novelist.)

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 1:12 PM Garth  wrote:

> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we understand
> anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the idea that we 
> *ought.
> should, could or would  *know just the perfect thing to say at all times,
> "or else" we either play the part of the mis-understand-er or the
> mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and darned if you don't .
> where *you're darned no matter what you say or do* seems the standard
> bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard at all !
>
> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in
> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no
> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not
> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal
> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was
>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie
>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in
>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer
>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety
>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and
>> lugged frames.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because
>>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a
>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other
>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the
>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then
>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that
>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it
>>> countless times.
>>>
>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest.
>>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged
>>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in
>>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song 
>>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's
>>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break
>>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything.
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle
 calculations, many factors have influenced me.

 Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth
 making.

 In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the
 differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment
 Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a
 lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with
 hand-crafted goodness.

 I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future.
 Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid
 chaos.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100
> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to
> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent
> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and
> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the
> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit
> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but
> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental
> "Basketball" tires instead of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Patrick Moore]

Tangential, but this is very interesting, since I too find that certain
"fast" bikes are heavier ones; this all-round and not merely on hills. Was
it here or on the boblist that there was a recent thread about what makes a
bike "fast"? At any rate, IME, it's not at all just weight. (Judging "fast"
by repeated ease in repeated conditions over considerable periods of
turning a higher gear with the same effort as or even less than on a
"slower" bike in a lower gear.)

Me, I think fit and suitability of geometry to one's body and riding style
play a role; and of course, tires ...

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Laura,
> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the
waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3
wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel > and asphalt. It
climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink
the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and
accelerating.
> Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Hey Joe ..It's all fun and games when it's "Party on Garth ",  right 
Joe ?   

You see, I don't know if your being sarcastic, endearing, an ass or a saint 
when you say that. So for examples sake I ask  "Why are you targeting 
me, do you think I like it ?  Do you think I find it endearing, do I find 
it funny ?"

You see how that goes  *just what did he mean by that comment *? 
Where does one begin and where does one end ? How far do we take it ? Does 
anyone ever know what anyone really means or do we pretend to based on our 
personal biases and assumptions ? 

Just some thoughts ... 




On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:22:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> Laura, you're just expressing thoughts and opinions like everybody else. 
> Garth is weirdly targeing you and needs to knock it off. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:37:55 AM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
>> lugged frames.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>>> countless times. 
>>>
>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
 calculations, many factors have influenced me.

 Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
 making.

 In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
 differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
 Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
 lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
 hand-crafted goodness.

 I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
 Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
 chaos.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened 
> to 
> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has 
> no 
> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus 
> also 
> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was describing 
a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am someone that 
longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It is impossible 
to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I would want to buy… 
I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a kid!
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we understand 
> anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the idea that we 
> *ought. 
> should, could or would  *know just the perfect thing to say at all times, 
> "or else" we either play the part of the mis-understand-er or the 
> mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and darned if you don't . 
> where *you're darned no matter what you say or do* seems the standard 
> bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard at all ! 
>
> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
>> lugged frames.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>>> countless times. 
>>>
>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
 calculations, many factors have influenced me.

 Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
 making.

 In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
 differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
 Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
 lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
 hand-crafted goodness.

 I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
 Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
 chaos.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened 
> to 
> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Hey Joe ..It's all fun and games when it's "Party on Garth ",  right 
Joe ?   
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:22:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> Laura, you're just expressing thoughts and opinions like everybody else. 
> Garth is weirdly targeing you and needs to knock it off. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:37:55 AM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
>> lugged frames.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>>> countless times. 
>>>
>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
 calculations, many factors have influenced me.

 Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
 making.

 In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
 differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
 Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
 lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
 hand-crafted goodness.

 I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
 Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
 chaos.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened 
> to 
> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has 
> no 
> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus 
> also 
> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
> think.
>
> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
>
> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
> Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I 
> am 
> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we understand 
anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the idea that we 
*ought. 
should, could or would  *know just the perfect thing to say at all times, 
"or else" we either play the part of the mis-understand-er or the 
mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and darned if you don't . 
where *you're darned no matter what you say or do* seems the standard 
bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard at all ! 

My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
"attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 



On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
> lugged frames.
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>> countless times. 
>>
>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>>
>>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
>>> making.
>>>
>>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
>>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
>>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
>>> hand-crafted goodness.
>>>
>>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
>>> Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
>>> chaos.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
 Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:

 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
 percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to 
 have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
 that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
 we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
 frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
 Platypus-Clem offspring.

 Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
 Leah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:

 To Doug's comments on Clem L:


 I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
 her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
 some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
 "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
 trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
 under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
 Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus 
 also 
 has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
 think.

 To the earlier comment about 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Joe Bernard]

Laura, you're just expressing thoughts and opinions like everybody else. 
Garth is weirdly targeing you and needs to knock it off. 

Joe Bernard
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:37:55 AM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
> lugged frames.
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>> countless times. 
>>
>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>>
>>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
>>> making.
>>>
>>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
>>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
>>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
>>> hand-crafted goodness.
>>>
>>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
>>> Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
>>> chaos.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
 Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:

 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
 percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to 
 have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
 that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
 we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
 frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
 Platypus-Clem offspring.

 Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
 Leah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:

 To Doug's comments on Clem L:


 I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
 her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
 some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
 "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
 trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
 under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
 Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus 
 also 
 has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
 think.

 To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  

 Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
 embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
 another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
 Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
 does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
 likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
 every year.

 Bruce

 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Laura,
> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy 
> the waters. Mine is the Lime 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
lugged frames.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
> countless times. 
>
> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>
>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
>> making.
>>
>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
>> hand-crafted goodness.
>>
>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying 
>> to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
>>> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>>>
>>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
>>> straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
>>> threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
>>> couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're 
>>> getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames 
>>> are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
>>> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>>>
>>> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>>>
>>> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>>>
>>>
>>> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
>>> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
>>> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
>>> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
>>> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
>>> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
>>> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also 
>>> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
>>> think.
>>>
>>> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
>>>
>>> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
>>> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
>>> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
>>> Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
>>> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
>>> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
>>> every year.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Laura,
 I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy 
 the waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 
 2.3 wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. 
 It climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me 
 rethink the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
 accelerating. 
 Doug
 Athens, Ga

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[iamkeith]

I didn't take Laura's comments as "criticism" of the Susie design.  But 
Garth is right about it just being a light version of the gus.  I almost 
got the feeling that it was an afterthought.  Like they knew they needed a  
1 1/8" headset and a reasonably heavy duty tubeset if Gus was going to be 
abused as a mountain bike and/or loaded up for off-road touring, but 
couldn't quite get comfortable with the compromises those decisions 
required.  So they decided to do a limited run of light versions,  just to 
scratch the itch.  And left the naming to happenstance.   I'm glad it 
wasn't the case but, if anything, I could have seen the Susie/Wolbis 
version having a high/straight top tube to improve triangulation in 
compensation for the lighter tubes.  They were initially very cautious 
about who they said could or should have one but, since it worked out and 
ended up being stronger than they expected, it sounds like it's surviving 
for another round.  At one point, they said future rounds of hillibikes 
might be tig welded, so these new(final) ones being fillet brazed is 
already a bonus.  I don't know why they plan to end it altogether,  but 
that's pretty common with Rivendell.  When you find one that you like AND 
that fits, there'll often be regrets if you don't seize the opportunity 
while you can.

I too think a custom riv is probably the best way to go, but you'd really 
have to know what you want.  In the meantime, every bike you own is an 
opportunity to learn and narrow it down and find out what works.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:17:01 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
> countless times. 
>
> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>
>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
>> making.
>>
>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
>> hand-crafted goodness.
>>
>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying 
>> to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
>>> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>>>
>>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
>>> straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
>>> threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
>>> couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're 
>>> getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames 
>>> are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
>>> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>>>
>>> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>>>
>>> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>>>
>>>
>>> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
>>> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
>>> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
>>> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
>>> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
>>> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
>>> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also 
>>> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
>>> think.
>>>
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
countless times. 

That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>
> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
> making.
>
> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the differences 
> between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment Gus, the Susie 
> would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a lower bottom 
> bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with hand-crafted goodness.
>
> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying 
> to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos.
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
>> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>>
>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
>> straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
>> threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
>> couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're 
>> getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames 
>> are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
>> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>>
>> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>>
>> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>>
>>
>> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
>> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
>> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
>> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
>> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
>> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
>> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also 
>> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
>> think.
>>
>> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
>>
>> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
>> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
>> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
>> Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
>> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
>> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
>> every year.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Laura,
>>> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy 
>>> the waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 
>>> 2.3 wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. 
>>> It climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me 
>>> rethink the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
>>> accelerating. 
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 EDIT…

 Jarad = Jared

 Lime green = Lime olive

 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction

 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:

> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the 
> answers have made me confident that either bike will be a great 
> all-rounder, but the answers have also made me yearn for both!
>
> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
calculations, many factors have influenced me.

Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
making.

In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the differences 
between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment Gus, the Susie 
would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a lower bottom 
bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with hand-crafted goodness.

I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying 
to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
> straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
> threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
> couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're 
> getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames 
> are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit her 
> need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but some 
> of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental "Basketball" 
> tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no trouble doing 
> club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at under 10 mph. 
> It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of Rivs more 
> reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also has a 
> Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I think.
>
> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
>
> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
> Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
> every year.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Laura,
>> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
>> waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
>> wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
>> climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
>> the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
>> accelerating. 
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> EDIT…
>>>
>>> Jarad = Jared
>>>
>>> Lime green = Lime olive
>>>
>>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
>>>
 Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
 have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
 the answers have also made me yearn for both!

 So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
 compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
 all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily 
 tipping 
 the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
 placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out 
 till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 
 2021, 
 then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
> limitations of either.
>
> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type 
> of riding you describe with ease.
>
> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger 
> tire to take full advantage of its potential.
>
> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in 
> a way that leaves you wanting for nothing.
>
> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, 
> where as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.
>
> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Leah Peterson]

To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in Grant’s 
Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:

3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're getting 
deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames are gonna be 
fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think Platypus-Clem offspring.

Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
> 
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
> 
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit her 
> need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but some of 
> that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental "Basketball" 
> tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no trouble doing 
> club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at under 10 mph. It's 
> been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of Rivs more reasonably 
> prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also has a Clem L and 
> enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I think.
> 
> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
> 
> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully embraced 
> by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or another better 
> than something else, but you can't go wrong with any Rivendell of any era.  I 
> have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it does that just fine. With 
> fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am likely to be on. Of my 4 
> bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles every year.
> 
> Bruce
> 
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>> Laura,
>> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
>> waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
>> wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
>> climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
>> the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
>> accelerating. 
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>> 
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> EDIT…
>>> 
>>> Jarad = Jared
>>> 
>>> Lime green = Lime olive
>>> 
>>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>>> 
>>> 
 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
 Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
 have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
 the answers have also made me yearn for both!
 
 So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
 compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
 all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily 
 tipping the balance in that direction. When they announced the current 
 colors, it placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat 
 it out till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie 
 in 2021, then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
 
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
> limitations of either.
> 
> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
> riding you describe with ease.
> 
> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger tire 
> to take full advantage of its potential.
> 
> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
> way that leaves you wanting for nothing.
> 
> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, where 
> as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.
> 
> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
> previous size L.
> 
> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
> feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, 
> tho I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.
> 
> Best of luck with whatever you choose
> 
> Jared in SLO
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
>> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size 
>> out of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the 
>> comparison. I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Fullylugged]

To Doug's comments on Clem L:

I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit her 
need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but some 
of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental "Basketball" 
tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no trouble doing 
club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at under 10 mph. 
It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of Rivs more 
reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also has a 
Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I think.

To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  

Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
every year.

Bruce

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Laura,
> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
> waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
> wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
> climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
> the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
> accelerating. 
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> EDIT…
>>
>> Jarad = Jared
>>
>> Lime green = Lime olive
>>
>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
>>
>>> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
>>> have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
>>> the answers have also made me yearn for both!
>>>
>>> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
>>> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
>>> all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily tipping 
>>> the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
>>> placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out 
>>> till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 2021, 
>>> then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
 limitations of either.

 I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
 riding you describe with ease.

 The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger 
 tire to take full advantage of its potential.

 The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
 way that leaves you wanting for nothing.

 I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, 
 where as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.

 All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
 previous size L.

 I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
 feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, 
 tho 
 I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.

 Best of luck with whatever you choose

 Jared in SLO





 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size 
> out 
> of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the 
> comparison. 
> I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
> curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
> riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
> for off-road trails?
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hi Laura, welcome!
>>
>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
>> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The 
>> Susie 
>> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air 
>> between 
>> trail and rim. 
>>
>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is 
>> both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current 
>> models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

Joe: nice heads up… I am shorter then you with a 80-81-ish PBH. Factoring 
in the long reach on these bikes, the smaller size would be best.

Garth: your advice is stellar. But, is bicycle love prone to flawed radar 
just like human love? With the Susie, my heart goes thump, thump, thump. 
But, my inner voice is sending out alarm bells. You are correct that I will 
never know for certain until I ride one. It is a puzzle worth solving.

Waiting for a new bike might be an extra challenge for me since I have only 
purchased one new bike in my life! A Schwinn Varsity when I was a teenager. 
I have always cleaned up something used. I am now 61 and ready for my next 
bicycle with a modern flare. It is my crazy luck that I decided to shop for 
a new bike during a bicycle shortage! It turns that warm burning desire 
into an irrational longing!

On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 6:16:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Laura, trust your first "for whatever reason" instinct about a Susie. 
>
> Laura, I can't tell you how either bike, let alone any bike rides any more 
> than I can tell you how a banana tastes !  You have to eat one to find out. 
> Now I may wax poetic about the taste all day long but that has no influence 
> over how it tastes for you. Trust Truth :-) .  
>
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I would recommend looking at the geometry chart on the latest Clem L 
>> before committing to a 52. I'm 5'-6", 79-80-ish PBH and even with Boscos 
>> that bike would be too stretched out for me. I need a 45. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 1:02:02 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> iamkeith… thank you for so much content to mull over. It has helped 
>>> bunches. So many of you have suggested the Clem that I have begun to 
>>> research it more. It does seem like it would be a nice trail bike for me. 
>>> And the cost-savings would make combining it with a Platypus feasible.
>>>
>>> Does Rivendell ever sell Clem frames instead of the complete builds?
>>>
>>> My ideal Susie would probably be a 50cm. Ditto for the Platypus, but I 
>>> would step up to a 52cm Clem.
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 * They are both beautiful bikes. For whatever reason, I was drawn 
 to the Susie. I like the simplicity of the lugged seat clamp combined with 
 filet brazing everywhere else. The high head tube. It looks like none 
 other. *

 *^ I'm with you on this.  I think the Susie is understated perfection, 
 aesthetically speaking. (other than the fork crown, perhaps.)  Platypus is 
 drop-dead gorgeous too, though I did love the lugged chainstay connection 
 on the older mixtes.*


 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:16:14 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
 * I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to 
 muddy the waters. *

 *^ I was resisting chiming-in and muddying the waters, but this is 
 actually the bike that satisfies the description of what you're wanting.  
 The perfect compromise for roads and trails.  Designed around perfect size 
 tires (at least for me and my weight and riding conditions, and in terms 
 of 
 balancing cushion and rolling resistance and self-steer.)  If you don't 
 like the aesthetics though, I'd understand completely*


 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:47:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
 * The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and 
 step-through ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher 
 bottom bracket and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with 
 the better ground clearance. The  Platypus will have a lower center of 
 gravity and a more typical Rivendell ride.*

 *^This is exactly right, and is probably more significant than you 
 think - especially if part of your desire is motivated by having ridden a 
 Rivendell before.   The bottom bracket and center of gravity are quite 
 high.  The Susie is really a full-on mountain bike by any rational 
 standard.   I've said this in other threads, but I really didn't fully 
 grasp this when I got rid of my Clem to get a Susie.  Of my three other 
 "modern" mountain bikes that I ride regularly, all have more bottom 
 bracket 
 drop than my Susie!  I love the bike, but It doesn't feel like a Rivendell 
 to me - which is slightly perplexing because all of my bike purchases in 
 the last 15 years or more, including mountain bikes, have been informed by 
 my appreciation for Rivendell's design philosophy.  It's always been 
 interesting how much of the industry reluctantly follows Rivendell's lead, 
 but it's really surprising when they then surpass and out-riv riv.  
 (Similar thing has kind of happened with tire widths on road 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Laura, trust your first "for whatever reason" instinct about a Susie. 

Laura, I can't tell you how either bike, let alone any bike rides any more 
than I can tell you how a banana tastes !  You have to eat one to find out. 
Now I may wax poetic about the taste all day long but that has no influence 
over how it tastes for you. Trust Truth :-) .  


On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I would recommend looking at the geometry chart on the latest Clem L 
> before committing to a 52. I'm 5'-6", 79-80-ish PBH and even with Boscos 
> that bike would be too stretched out for me. I need a 45. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 1:02:02 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> iamkeith… thank you for so much content to mull over. It has helped 
>> bunches. So many of you have suggested the Clem that I have begun to 
>> research it more. It does seem like it would be a nice trail bike for me. 
>> And the cost-savings would make combining it with a Platypus feasible.
>>
>> Does Rivendell ever sell Clem frames instead of the complete builds?
>>
>> My ideal Susie would probably be a 50cm. Ditto for the Platypus, but I 
>> would step up to a 52cm Clem.
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> * They are both beautiful bikes. For whatever reason, I was drawn to 
>>> the Susie. I like the simplicity of the lugged seat clamp combined with 
>>> filet brazing everywhere else. The high head tube. It looks like none 
>>> other. *
>>>
>>> *^ I'm with you on this.  I think the Susie is understated perfection, 
>>> aesthetically speaking. (other than the fork crown, perhaps.)  Platypus is 
>>> drop-dead gorgeous too, though I did love the lugged chainstay connection 
>>> on the older mixtes.*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:16:14 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>> * I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to 
>>> muddy the waters. *
>>>
>>> *^ I was resisting chiming-in and muddying the waters, but this is 
>>> actually the bike that satisfies the description of what you're wanting.  
>>> The perfect compromise for roads and trails.  Designed around perfect size 
>>> tires (at least for me and my weight and riding conditions, and in terms of 
>>> balancing cushion and rolling resistance and self-steer.)  If you don't 
>>> like the aesthetics though, I'd understand completely*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:47:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>> * The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and 
>>> step-through ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher 
>>> bottom bracket and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with 
>>> the better ground clearance. The  Platypus will have a lower center of 
>>> gravity and a more typical Rivendell ride.*
>>>
>>> *^This is exactly right, and is probably more significant than you think 
>>> - especially if part of your desire is motivated by having ridden a 
>>> Rivendell before.   The bottom bracket and center of gravity are quite 
>>> high.  The Susie is really a full-on mountain bike by any rational 
>>> standard.   I've said this in other threads, but I really didn't fully 
>>> grasp this when I got rid of my Clem to get a Susie.  Of my three other 
>>> "modern" mountain bikes that I ride regularly, all have more bottom bracket 
>>> drop than my Susie!  I love the bike, but It doesn't feel like a Rivendell 
>>> to me - which is slightly perplexing because all of my bike purchases in 
>>> the last 15 years or more, including mountain bikes, have been informed by 
>>> my appreciation for Rivendell's design philosophy.  It's always been 
>>> interesting how much of the industry reluctantly follows Rivendell's lead, 
>>> but it's really surprising when they then surpass and out-riv riv.  
>>> (Similar thing has kind of happened with tire widths on road bikes - where 
>>> riv was once the only place you could get a road bike that fit reasonably 
>>> fat tires, there are now many others that take even fatter ones.)  So 
>>> whereas I used to prefer my Clem to any other bike I own for relaxed, 
>>> meandering, paved pathway rides and the like, I don't enjoy the Susie the 
>>> same way and end up taking other bikes instead.  *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:17:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>  Would you be interested in purchasing an orange Susie and riding it 
>>> until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold their value and have great 
>>> resale. I really think you could sell the Susie if an orange Platy comes 
>>> your way.
>>>
>>> *^  This is actually sound advice.  However, I'd add one caution:   The 
>>> Susie being so different from other Riv models means that not all your 
>>> parts would easily swap over:  You'll need a wider bottom bracket on the 
>>> Susie than on the Platypus;  you'll probably 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Joe Bernard]

I would recommend looking at the geometry chart on the latest Clem L before 
committing to a 52. I'm 5'-6", 79-80-ish PBH and even with Boscos that bike 
would be too stretched out for me. I need a 45. 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 1:02:02 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> iamkeith… thank you for so much content to mull over. It has helped 
> bunches. So many of you have suggested the Clem that I have begun to 
> research it more. It does seem like it would be a nice trail bike for me. 
> And the cost-savings would make combining it with a Platypus feasible.
>
> Does Rivendell ever sell Clem frames instead of the complete builds?
>
> My ideal Susie would probably be a 50cm. Ditto for the Platypus, but I 
> would step up to a 52cm Clem.
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>> * They are both beautiful bikes. For whatever reason, I was drawn to 
>> the Susie. I like the simplicity of the lugged seat clamp combined with 
>> filet brazing everywhere else. The high head tube. It looks like none 
>> other. *
>>
>> *^ I'm with you on this.  I think the Susie is understated perfection, 
>> aesthetically speaking. (other than the fork crown, perhaps.)  Platypus is 
>> drop-dead gorgeous too, though I did love the lugged chainstay connection 
>> on the older mixtes.*
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:16:14 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>> * I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to 
>> muddy the waters. *
>>
>> *^ I was resisting chiming-in and muddying the waters, but this is 
>> actually the bike that satisfies the description of what you're wanting.  
>> The perfect compromise for roads and trails.  Designed around perfect size 
>> tires (at least for me and my weight and riding conditions, and in terms of 
>> balancing cushion and rolling resistance and self-steer.)  If you don't 
>> like the aesthetics though, I'd understand completely*
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:47:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>> * The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and 
>> step-through ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher 
>> bottom bracket and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with 
>> the better ground clearance. The  Platypus will have a lower center of 
>> gravity and a more typical Rivendell ride.*
>>
>> *^This is exactly right, and is probably more significant than you think 
>> - especially if part of your desire is motivated by having ridden a 
>> Rivendell before.   The bottom bracket and center of gravity are quite 
>> high.  The Susie is really a full-on mountain bike by any rational 
>> standard.   I've said this in other threads, but I really didn't fully 
>> grasp this when I got rid of my Clem to get a Susie.  Of my three other 
>> "modern" mountain bikes that I ride regularly, all have more bottom bracket 
>> drop than my Susie!  I love the bike, but It doesn't feel like a Rivendell 
>> to me - which is slightly perplexing because all of my bike purchases in 
>> the last 15 years or more, including mountain bikes, have been informed by 
>> my appreciation for Rivendell's design philosophy.  It's always been 
>> interesting how much of the industry reluctantly follows Rivendell's lead, 
>> but it's really surprising when they then surpass and out-riv riv.  
>> (Similar thing has kind of happened with tire widths on road bikes - where 
>> riv was once the only place you could get a road bike that fit reasonably 
>> fat tires, there are now many others that take even fatter ones.)  So 
>> whereas I used to prefer my Clem to any other bike I own for relaxed, 
>> meandering, paved pathway rides and the like, I don't enjoy the Susie the 
>> same way and end up taking other bikes instead.  *
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:17:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>  Would you be interested in purchasing an orange Susie and riding it 
>> until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold their value and have great 
>> resale. I really think you could sell the Susie if an orange Platy comes 
>> your way.
>>
>> *^  This is actually sound advice.  However, I'd add one caution:   The 
>> Susie being so different from other Riv models means that not all your 
>> parts would easily swap over:  You'll need a wider bottom bracket on the 
>> Susie than on the Platypus;  you'll probably want wider rims on the Susie 
>> than on the Platypus in order to take advantage of the tire clearance;  The 
>> Susie is a challenge to fit racks on, and some of the standard Nitto racks 
>> won't fit the boss placement  ( I went through this going from a clem to my 
>> susie, and ended up needed all-new racks);  Fenders won't be cross- 
>> compatible - in fact, I'm having trouble getting ANY fenders to work on my 
>> Susie.*
>>
>> *I sound like I'm being critical but know that, as I write this, I'm 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

iamkeith… thank you for so much content to mull over. It has helped 
bunches. So many of you have suggested the Clem that I have begun to 
research it more. It does seem like it would be a nice trail bike for me. 
And the cost-savings would make combining it with a Platypus feasible.

Does Rivendell ever sell Clem frames instead of the complete builds?

My ideal Susie would probably be a 50cm. Ditto for the Platypus, but I 
would step up to a 52cm Clem.
On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
> * They are both beautiful bikes. For whatever reason, I was drawn to 
> the Susie. I like the simplicity of the lugged seat clamp combined with 
> filet brazing everywhere else. The high head tube. It looks like none 
> other. *
>
> *^ I'm with you on this.  I think the Susie is understated perfection, 
> aesthetically speaking. (other than the fork crown, perhaps.)  Platypus is 
> drop-dead gorgeous too, though I did love the lugged chainstay connection 
> on the older mixtes.*
>
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:16:14 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
> * I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to 
> muddy the waters. *
>
> *^ I was resisting chiming-in and muddying the waters, but this is 
> actually the bike that satisfies the description of what you're wanting.  
> The perfect compromise for roads and trails.  Designed around perfect size 
> tires (at least for me and my weight and riding conditions, and in terms of 
> balancing cushion and rolling resistance and self-steer.)  If you don't 
> like the aesthetics though, I'd understand completely*
>
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:47:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
> * The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and 
> step-through ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher 
> bottom bracket and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with 
> the better ground clearance. The  Platypus will have a lower center of 
> gravity and a more typical Rivendell ride.*
>
> *^This is exactly right, and is probably more significant than you think - 
> especially if part of your desire is motivated by having ridden a Rivendell 
> before.   The bottom bracket and center of gravity are quite high.  The 
> Susie is really a full-on mountain bike by any rational standard.   I've 
> said this in other threads, but I really didn't fully grasp this when I got 
> rid of my Clem to get a Susie.  Of my three other "modern" mountain bikes 
> that I ride regularly, all have more bottom bracket drop than my Susie!  I 
> love the bike, but It doesn't feel like a Rivendell to me - which is 
> slightly perplexing because all of my bike purchases in the last 15 years 
> or more, including mountain bikes, have been informed by my appreciation 
> for Rivendell's design philosophy.  It's always been interesting how much 
> of the industry reluctantly follows Rivendell's lead, but it's really 
> surprising when they then surpass and out-riv riv.  (Similar thing has kind 
> of happened with tire widths on road bikes - where riv was once the only 
> place you could get a road bike that fit reasonably fat tires, there are 
> now many others that take even fatter ones.)  So whereas I used to prefer 
> my Clem to any other bike I own for relaxed, meandering, paved pathway 
> rides and the like, I don't enjoy the Susie the same way and end up taking 
> other bikes instead.  *
>
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:17:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>  Would you be interested in purchasing an orange Susie and riding it 
> until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold their value and have great 
> resale. I really think you could sell the Susie if an orange Platy comes 
> your way.
>
> *^  This is actually sound advice.  However, I'd add one caution:   The 
> Susie being so different from other Riv models means that not all your 
> parts would easily swap over:  You'll need a wider bottom bracket on the 
> Susie than on the Platypus;  you'll probably want wider rims on the Susie 
> than on the Platypus in order to take advantage of the tire clearance;  The 
> Susie is a challenge to fit racks on, and some of the standard Nitto racks 
> won't fit the boss placement  ( I went through this going from a clem to my 
> susie, and ended up needed all-new racks);  Fenders won't be cross- 
> compatible - in fact, I'm having trouble getting ANY fenders to work on my 
> Susie.*
>
> *I sound like I'm being critical but know that, as I write this, I'm 
> planning to try to get my wife a Susie from the upcoming batch. *
>
> *Last thing:  If you do get a Susie, what size would you fit?  I have a 
> large orange and, as fate would  have it, tow of only three standard riv 
> colors that I'd prefer are the dark gold and lime olive.  So it might even 
> be possible to convince me to swap frames with someone once the new batch 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[iamkeith]

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
* They are both beautiful bikes. For whatever reason, I was drawn to 
the Susie. I like the simplicity of the lugged seat clamp combined with 
filet brazing everywhere else. The high head tube. It looks like none 
other. *

*^ I'm with you on this.  I think the Susie is understated perfection, 
aesthetically speaking. (other than the fork crown, perhaps.)  Platypus is 
drop-dead gorgeous too, though I did love the lugged chainstay connection 
on the older mixtes.*


On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:16:14 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
* I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy 
the waters. *

*^ I was resisting chiming-in and muddying the waters, but this is actually 
the bike that satisfies the description of what you're wanting.  The 
perfect compromise for roads and trails.  Designed around perfect size 
tires (at least for me and my weight and riding conditions, and in terms of 
balancing cushion and rolling resistance and self-steer.)  If you don't 
like the aesthetics though, I'd understand completely*


On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:47:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
* The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and 
step-through ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher 
bottom bracket and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with 
the better ground clearance. The  Platypus will have a lower center of 
gravity and a more typical Rivendell ride.*

*^This is exactly right, and is probably more significant than you think - 
especially if part of your desire is motivated by having ridden a Rivendell 
before.   The bottom bracket and center of gravity are quite high.  The 
Susie is really a full-on mountain bike by any rational standard.   I've 
said this in other threads, but I really didn't fully grasp this when I got 
rid of my Clem to get a Susie.  Of my three other "modern" mountain bikes 
that I ride regularly, all have more bottom bracket drop than my Susie!  I 
love the bike, but It doesn't feel like a Rivendell to me - which is 
slightly perplexing because all of my bike purchases in the last 15 years 
or more, including mountain bikes, have been informed by my appreciation 
for Rivendell's design philosophy.  It's always been interesting how much 
of the industry reluctantly follows Rivendell's lead, but it's really 
surprising when they then surpass and out-riv riv.  (Similar thing has kind 
of happened with tire widths on road bikes - where riv was once the only 
place you could get a road bike that fit reasonably fat tires, there are 
now many others that take even fatter ones.)  So whereas I used to prefer 
my Clem to any other bike I own for relaxed, meandering, paved pathway 
rides and the like, I don't enjoy the Susie the same way and end up taking 
other bikes instead.  *


On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:17:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
 Would you be interested in purchasing an orange Susie and riding it 
until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold their value and have great 
resale. I really think you could sell the Susie if an orange Platy comes 
your way.

*^  This is actually sound advice.  However, I'd add one caution:   The 
Susie being so different from other Riv models means that not all your 
parts would easily swap over:  You'll need a wider bottom bracket on the 
Susie than on the Platypus;  you'll probably want wider rims on the Susie 
than on the Platypus in order to take advantage of the tire clearance;  The 
Susie is a challenge to fit racks on, and some of the standard Nitto racks 
won't fit the boss placement  ( I went through this going from a clem to my 
susie, and ended up needed all-new racks);  Fenders won't be cross- 
compatible - in fact, I'm having trouble getting ANY fenders to work on my 
Susie.*

*I sound like I'm being critical but know that, as I write this, I'm 
planning to try to get my wife a Susie from the upcoming batch. *

*Last thing:  If you do get a Susie, what size would you fit?  I have a 
large orange and, as fate would  have it, tow of only three standard riv 
colors that I'd prefer are the dark gold and lime olive.  So it might even 
be possible to convince me to swap frames with someone once the new batch 
arrives.*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

They are both beautiful bikes. For whatever reason, I was drawn to the 
Susie. I like the simplicity of the lugged seat clamp combined with filet 
brazing everywhere else. The high head tube. It looks like none other.

It is why it is hard for me to give it up even though every measure of 
logic points me to the Platypus! I want a Susie, but the Platypus would 
make the best companion to the vintage MTB I already own. No matter where I 
land, it will be an abundance of riches.

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:50:02 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> From a purely aesthetics point of view, gotta love the Platypus.  Great 
> lines and beautiful lugs.
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:32:33 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> If you like orange, maybe also watch for a Cheviot for sale….
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2021, at 07:22, Laura B  wrote:
>>
>> Leah, your thoughts are appreciated. Do you know about orange Susie 
>> frames sitting around??? I have read most of the threads on these models 
>> and know how much everyone loves their bikes. It is what makes a decision 
>> so difficult. My thinking changes by the hour! Laing hit all of the factors 
>> that MIGHT make the Susie disappointing for my personal needs. I worry 
>> about the higher BB and loss of step-thru qualities. It is also closest to 
>> my vintage MTB that I have already upgraded with new 26” rims and RH 2.3" 
>> knobby tires. I have a 1 by 11 derailleur, cassette & shifter sitting in a 
>> box that will either go on a Susie or my current vintage. I am absolutely 
>> in love with the filet brazing, but that is not necessarily a reason to buy 
>> a frame… ;-)
>>
>>
>> In my heart, I do not want either to be an all-rounder!!! I want two 
>> distinct bicycles. I arrived at that criteria to keep the expenses down. I 
>> also have the derailleurs & cassette for a 2 by 11 speed drivetrain. It was 
>> always meant for a road-ish bicycle with 42-48mm smooth tires and fenders… 
>> sounds perfect for a Platypus!
>>
>> At the moment, I am thinking I will complete my 1 by 11 vintage MTB build 
>> and wait for when a Platypus is back in stock. I will give me that district 
>> Rivendell geometry that I can not duplicate in the vintage bikes. If the 
>> Riv gods smile upon me, an all-is-sunny-in-the-world *orange* will be an 
>> option. Since I have been collecting quality components, I am not 
>> interested in spending money on a complete build. BTW, my size is 50cm… if 
>> anyone has frames sitting around!
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:17:44 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laura, 
>>>
>>> Everyone here has given you sound replies. But again, we are back to 
>>> availability of the bicycle. Would you be interested in purchasing an 
>>> orange Susie and riding it until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold 
>>> their value and have great resale. I really think you could sell the Susie 
>>> if an orange Platy comes your way. The other thing that was mentioned is a 
>>> Clem L. You’ll have to buy used unless Rivendell has one hiding in a box 
>>> somewhere (and they might, seeing as they just got an assortment in last 
>>> week). It can definitely handle trails and has the fantastic step-through 
>>> frame and big tire capability. It is a smaller investment and you might be 
>>> able to have BOTH a Platy and a Clem. Coincidentally, I have both a Platy 
>>> and a Clem and they make me deliriously happy.
>>>
>>> Ben in Omaha mentioned a new version of a Platy rumored to come out. 
>>> That was Rivendell’s  Rosco version of the Platypus, beefier tubes and 
>>> fork, and TIG welded. That project has been put on hold indefinitely, sigh. 
>>>
>>> Let us know what you’re thinking because this is a really fun thread! I 
>>> enjoy the discussion about options and desires for favorite colors, etc. 
>>> I’m cheering for you from here - I hope you get exactly the perfect bike.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and 
>>> step-through ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher 
>>> bottom bracket and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with 
>>> the better ground clearance. The Platypus will have a lower center of 
>>> gravity and a more typical Rivendell ride. I believe the Platypus has a 
>>> lower step-though as well. 
>>>
>>>
>>> No aggressive single track, no severe off road - go with the Platypus. I 
>>> don't have a Suzie nor a Platypus, but I do have a Gus Boots Wilsen and a 
>>> Betty Foy, which is a similar comparison. Subjectively, the Gus seems kind 
>>> of tall and tippy in tight in-town maneuvers compared to the Betty. If you 
>>> cannot decide, get a Clem L (I also have a Clementine) - best step-through 
>>> ability of all.
>>>
>>> If in still doubt, always go with the lugged bicycle - Platypus, but as 
>>> others have pointed out - there is no bad choice here.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>>
>>> On 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[David Person]

>From a purely aesthetics point of view, gotta love the Platypus.  Great 
lines and beautiful lugs.

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:32:33 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> If you like orange, maybe also watch for a Cheviot for sale….
>
> On Dec 6, 2021, at 07:22, Laura B  wrote:
>
> Leah, your thoughts are appreciated. Do you know about orange Susie 
> frames sitting around??? I have read most of the threads on these models 
> and know how much everyone loves their bikes. It is what makes a decision 
> so difficult. My thinking changes by the hour! Laing hit all of the factors 
> that MIGHT make the Susie disappointing for my personal needs. I worry 
> about the higher BB and loss of step-thru qualities. It is also closest to 
> my vintage MTB that I have already upgraded with new 26” rims and RH 2.3" 
> knobby tires. I have a 1 by 11 derailleur, cassette & shifter sitting in a 
> box that will either go on a Susie or my current vintage. I am absolutely 
> in love with the filet brazing, but that is not necessarily a reason to buy 
> a frame… ;-)
>
>
> In my heart, I do not want either to be an all-rounder!!! I want two 
> distinct bicycles. I arrived at that criteria to keep the expenses down. I 
> also have the derailleurs & cassette for a 2 by 11 speed drivetrain. It was 
> always meant for a road-ish bicycle with 42-48mm smooth tires and fenders… 
> sounds perfect for a Platypus!
>
> At the moment, I am thinking I will complete my 1 by 11 vintage MTB build 
> and wait for when a Platypus is back in stock. I will give me that district 
> Rivendell geometry that I can not duplicate in the vintage bikes. If the 
> Riv gods smile upon me, an all-is-sunny-in-the-world *orange* will be an 
> option. Since I have been collecting quality components, I am not 
> interested in spending money on a complete build. BTW, my size is 50cm… if 
> anyone has frames sitting around!
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:17:44 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Laura, 
>>
>> Everyone here has given you sound replies. But again, we are back to 
>> availability of the bicycle. Would you be interested in purchasing an 
>> orange Susie and riding it until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold 
>> their value and have great resale. I really think you could sell the Susie 
>> if an orange Platy comes your way. The other thing that was mentioned is a 
>> Clem L. You’ll have to buy used unless Rivendell has one hiding in a box 
>> somewhere (and they might, seeing as they just got an assortment in last 
>> week). It can definitely handle trails and has the fantastic step-through 
>> frame and big tire capability. It is a smaller investment and you might be 
>> able to have BOTH a Platy and a Clem. Coincidentally, I have both a Platy 
>> and a Clem and they make me deliriously happy.
>>
>> Ben in Omaha mentioned a new version of a Platy rumored to come out. That 
>> was Rivendell’s  Rosco version of the Platypus, beefier tubes and fork, and 
>> TIG welded. That project has been put on hold indefinitely, sigh. 
>>
>> Let us know what you’re thinking because this is a really fun thread! I 
>> enjoy the discussion about options and desires for favorite colors, etc. 
>> I’m cheering for you from here - I hope you get exactly the perfect bike.
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and 
>> step-through ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher 
>> bottom bracket and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with 
>> the better ground clearance. The Platypus will have a lower center of 
>> gravity and a more typical Rivendell ride. I believe the Platypus has a 
>> lower step-though as well. 
>>
>>
>> No aggressive single track, no severe off road - go with the Platypus. I 
>> don't have a Suzie nor a Platypus, but I do have a Gus Boots Wilsen and a 
>> Betty Foy, which is a similar comparison. Subjectively, the Gus seems kind 
>> of tall and tippy in tight in-town maneuvers compared to the Betty. If you 
>> cannot decide, get a Clem L (I also have a Clementine) - best step-through 
>> ability of all.
>>
>> If in still doubt, always go with the lugged bicycle - Platypus, but as 
>> others have pointed out - there is no bad choice here.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
>>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
>>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
>>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>>>
>>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed 
>>> sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>>>
>>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[luckyturnip]

If you like orange, maybe also watch for a Cheviot for sale….

> On Dec 6, 2021, at 07:22, Laura B  wrote:
> 
> Leah, your thoughts are appreciated. Do you know about orange Susie frames 
> sitting around??? I have read most of the threads on these models and know 
> how much everyone loves their bikes. It is what makes a decision so 
> difficult. My thinking changes by the hour! Laing hit all of the factors that 
> MIGHT make the Susie disappointing for my personal needs. I worry about the 
> higher BB and loss of step-thru qualities. It is also closest to my vintage 
> MTB that I have already upgraded with new 26” rims and RH 2.3" knobby tires. 
> I have a 1 by 11 derailleur, cassette & shifter sitting in a box that will 
> either go on a Susie or my current vintage. I am absolutely in love with the 
> filet brazing, but that is not necessarily a reason to buy a frame… ;-)
> 
> In my heart, I do not want either to be an all-rounder!!! I want two distinct 
> bicycles. I arrived at that criteria to keep the expenses down. I also have 
> the derailleurs & cassette for a 2 by 11 speed drivetrain. It was always 
> meant for a road-ish bicycle with 42-48mm smooth tires and fenders… sounds 
> perfect for a Platypus!
> 
> At the moment, I am thinking I will complete my 1 by 11 vintage MTB build and 
> wait for when a Platypus is back in stock. I will give me that district 
> Rivendell geometry that I can not duplicate in the vintage bikes. If the Riv 
> gods smile upon me, an all-is-sunny-in-the-world *orange* will be an option. 
> Since I have been collecting quality components, I am not interested in 
> spending money on a complete build. BTW, my size is 50cm… if anyone has 
> frames sitting around!
> 
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:17:44 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Laura, 
>> 
>> Everyone here has given you sound replies. But again, we are back to 
>> availability of the bicycle. Would you be interested in purchasing an orange 
>> Susie and riding it until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold their 
>> value and have great resale. I really think you could sell the Susie if an 
>> orange Platy comes your way. The other thing that was mentioned is a Clem L. 
>> You’ll have to buy used unless Rivendell has one hiding in a box somewhere 
>> (and they might, seeing as they just got an assortment in last week). It can 
>> definitely handle trails and has the fantastic step-through frame and big 
>> tire capability. It is a smaller investment and you might be able to have 
>> BOTH a Platy and a Clem. Coincidentally, I have both a Platy and a Clem and 
>> they make me deliriously happy.
>> 
>> Ben in Omaha mentioned a new version of a Platy rumored to come out. That 
>> was Rivendell’s  Rosco version of the Platypus, beefier tubes and fork, and 
>> TIG welded. That project has been put on hold indefinitely, sigh. 
>> 
>> Let us know what you’re thinking because this is a really fun thread! I 
>> enjoy the discussion about options and desires for favorite colors, etc. I’m 
>> cheering for you from here - I hope you get exactly the perfect bike.
>> Leah
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, lconley  wrote:
 
>>> The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and step-through 
>>> ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher bottom bracket 
>>> and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with the better ground 
>>> clearance. The Platypus will have a lower center of gravity and a more 
>>> typical Rivendell ride. I believe the Platypus has a lower step-though as 
>>> well. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> No aggressive single track, no severe off road - go with the Platypus. I 
>>> don't have a Suzie nor a Platypus, but I do have a Gus Boots Wilsen and a 
>>> Betty Foy, which is a similar comparison. Subjectively, the Gus seems kind 
>>> of tall and tippy in tight in-town maneuvers compared to the Betty. If you 
>>> cannot decide, get a Clem L (I also have a Clementine) - best step-through 
>>> ability of all.
>>> 
>>> If in still doubt, always go with the lugged bicycle - Platypus, but as 
>>> others have pointed out - there is no bad choice here.
>>> 
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>> 
>>> 
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or 
> have turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. 
> Ideally, I would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to 
> achieve!
> 
> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
> Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
> 
> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

Leah, your thoughts are appreciated. Do you know about orange Susie frames 
sitting around??? I have read most of the threads on these models and know 
how much everyone loves their bikes. It is what makes a decision so 
difficult. My thinking changes by the hour! Laing hit all of the factors 
that MIGHT make the Susie disappointing for my personal needs. I worry 
about the higher BB and loss of step-thru qualities. It is also closest to 
my vintage MTB that I have already upgraded with new 26” rims and RH 2.3" 
knobby tires. I have a 1 by 11 derailleur, cassette & shifter sitting in a 
box that will either go on a Susie or my current vintage. I am absolutely 
in love with the filet brazing, but that is not necessarily a reason to buy 
a frame… ;-)

In my heart, I do not want either to be an all-rounder!!! I want two 
distinct bicycles. I arrived at that criteria to keep the expenses down. I 
also have the derailleurs & cassette for a 2 by 11 speed drivetrain. It was 
always meant for a road-ish bicycle with 42-48mm smooth tires and fenders… 
sounds perfect for a Platypus!

At the moment, I am thinking I will complete my 1 by 11 vintage MTB build 
and wait for when a Platypus is back in stock. I will give me that district 
Rivendell geometry that I can not duplicate in the vintage bikes. If the 
Riv gods smile upon me, an all-is-sunny-in-the-world *orange* will be an 
option. Since I have been collecting quality components, I am not 
interested in spending money on a complete build. BTW, my size is 50cm… if 
anyone has frames sitting around!

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:17:44 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Laura, 
>
> Everyone here has given you sound replies. But again, we are back to 
> availability of the bicycle. Would you be interested in purchasing an 
> orange Susie and riding it until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold 
> their value and have great resale. I really think you could sell the Susie 
> if an orange Platy comes your way. The other thing that was mentioned is a 
> Clem L. You’ll have to buy used unless Rivendell has one hiding in a box 
> somewhere (and they might, seeing as they just got an assortment in last 
> week). It can definitely handle trails and has the fantastic step-through 
> frame and big tire capability. It is a smaller investment and you might be 
> able to have BOTH a Platy and a Clem. Coincidentally, I have both a Platy 
> and a Clem and they make me deliriously happy.
>
> Ben in Omaha mentioned a new version of a Platy rumored to come out. That 
> was Rivendell’s  Rosco version of the Platypus, beefier tubes and fork, and 
> TIG welded. That project has been put on hold indefinitely, sigh. 
>
> Let us know what you’re thinking because this is a really fun thread! I 
> enjoy the discussion about options and desires for favorite colors, etc. 
> I’m cheering for you from here - I hope you get exactly the perfect bike.
> Leah
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, lconley  wrote:
>
> The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and step-through 
> ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher bottom bracket 
> and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with the better ground 
> clearance. The Platypus will have a lower center of gravity and a more 
> typical Rivendell ride. I believe the Platypus has a lower step-though as 
> well. 
>
>
> No aggressive single track, no severe off road - go with the Platypus. I 
> don't have a Suzie nor a Platypus, but I do have a Gus Boots Wilsen and a 
> Betty Foy, which is a similar comparison. Subjectively, the Gus seems kind 
> of tall and tippy in tight in-town maneuvers compared to the Betty. If you 
> cannot decide, get a Clem L (I also have a Clementine) - best step-through 
> ability of all.
>
> If in still doubt, always go with the lugged bicycle - Platypus, but as 
> others have pointed out - there is no bad choice here.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>>
>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
>> Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>>
>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
>> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
>> be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>>
>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Laura
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Leah Peterson]

Laura, 

Everyone here has given you sound replies. But again, we are back to 
availability of the bicycle. Would you be interested in purchasing an orange 
Susie and riding it until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold their value 
and have great resale. I really think you could sell the Susie if an orange 
Platy comes your way. The other thing that was mentioned is a Clem L. You’ll 
have to buy used unless Rivendell has one hiding in a box somewhere (and they 
might, seeing as they just got an assortment in last week). It can definitely 
handle trails and has the fantastic step-through frame and big tire capability. 
It is a smaller investment and you might be able to have BOTH a Platy and a 
Clem. Coincidentally, I have both a Platy and a Clem and they make me 
deliriously happy.

Ben in Omaha mentioned a new version of a Platy rumored to come out. That was 
Rivendell’s  Rosco version of the Platypus, beefier tubes and fork, and TIG 
welded. That project has been put on hold indefinitely, sigh. 

Let us know what you’re thinking because this is a really fun thread! I enjoy 
the discussion about options and desires for favorite colors, etc. I’m cheering 
for you from here - I hope you get exactly the perfect bike.
Leah


> On Dec 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and step-through 
> ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher bottom bracket 
> and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with the better ground 
> clearance. The Platypus will have a lower center of gravity and a more 
> typical Rivendell ride. I believe the Platypus has a lower step-though as 
> well. 
> 
> No aggressive single track, no severe off road - go with the Platypus. I 
> don't have a Suzie nor a Platypus, but I do have a Gus Boots Wilsen and a 
> Betty Foy, which is a similar comparison. Subjectively, the Gus seems kind of 
> tall and tippy in tight in-town maneuvers compared to the Betty. If you 
> cannot decide, get a Clem L (I also have a Clementine) - best step-through 
> ability of all.
> 
> If in still doubt, always go with the lugged bicycle - Platypus, but as 
> others have pointed out - there is no bad choice here.
> 
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie Longbolts. 
>> I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have turned one 
>> of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I would LOVE to 
>> have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>> 
>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
>> Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>> 
>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
>> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences be 
>> minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>> 
>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Laura
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Doug H.]

Laura,
I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
accelerating. 
Doug
Athens, Ga

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> EDIT…
>
> Jarad = Jared
>
> Lime green = Lime olive
>
> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
>
>> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
>> have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
>> the answers have also made me yearn for both!
>>
>> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
>> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
>> all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily tipping 
>> the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
>> placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out 
>> till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 2021, 
>> then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
>>> limitations of either.
>>>
>>> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
>>> riding you describe with ease.
>>>
>>> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger 
>>> tire to take full advantage of its potential.
>>>
>>> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
>>> way that leaves you wanting for nothing.
>>>
>>> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, where 
>>> as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.
>>>
>>> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
>>> previous size L.
>>>
>>> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
>>> feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, tho 
>>> I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.
>>>
>>> Best of luck with whatever you choose
>>>
>>> Jared in SLO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
 multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size out 
 of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the 
 comparison. 
 I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
 curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
 riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
 for off-road trails?

 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Laura, welcome!
>
> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air 
> between 
> trail and rim. 
>
> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is 
> both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current 
> models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think 
> you'll 
> need to weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, 
> higher toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can 
> choose based on the name you like best! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months 
>> more for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are 
>> back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting 
>> to 
>> get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast 
>> incase I decide on a Susie.
>>
>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded 
>> version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in 
>> the 
>> vintage MTB category.
>>
>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same, 
>>  how do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the 
>> bikes 
>> a better all-rounder???
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame 
>>> that will be tig welded and a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

EDIT…

Jarad = Jared

Lime green = Lime olive

2022 orange Platypus = my prediction

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:

> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
> have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
> the answers have also made me yearn for both!
>
> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
> all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily tipping 
> the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
> placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out 
> till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 2021, 
> then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
>> limitations of either.
>>
>> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
>> riding you describe with ease.
>>
>> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger tire 
>> to take full advantage of its potential.
>>
>> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
>> way that leaves you wanting for nothing.
>>
>> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, where 
>> as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.
>>
>> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
>> previous size L.
>>
>> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
>> feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, tho 
>> I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.
>>
>> Best of luck with whatever you choose
>>
>> Jared in SLO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
>>> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size out 
>>> of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the comparison. 
>>> I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
>>> curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
>>> riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
>>> for off-road trails?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Hi Laura, welcome!

 Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
 listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
 goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air 
 between 
 trail and rim. 

 As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is 
 both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current 
 models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think 
 you'll 
 need to weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, 
 higher toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can 
 choose based on the name you like best! 

 Joe Bernard

 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more 
> for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are 
> back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to 
> get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast 
> incase I decide on a Susie.
>
> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded 
> version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in 
> the 
> vintage MTB category.
>
> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how 
> do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
> better all-rounder???
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame 
>> that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? 
>> Would 
>> that possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>>
>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Laura! 
>>
>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, 
>> but I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). 
>> I 
>> won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes 
>> are 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
the answers have also made me yearn for both!

So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily tipping 
the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out till 
the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 2021, then 
go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
> limitations of either.
>
> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
> riding you describe with ease.
>
> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger tire 
> to take full advantage of its potential.
>
> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
> way that leaves you wanting for nothing.
>
> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, where 
> as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.
>
> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
> previous size L.
>
> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
> feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, tho 
> I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.
>
> Best of luck with whatever you choose
>
> Jared in SLO
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
>> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size out 
>> of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the comparison. 
>> I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
>> curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
>> riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
>> for off-road trails?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Laura, welcome!
>>>
>>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
>>> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
>>> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air between 
>>> trail and rim. 
>>>
>>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is 
>>> both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current 
>>> models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think you'll 
>>> need to weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, 
>>> higher toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can 
>>> choose based on the name you like best! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more 
 for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are 
 back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to 
 get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast 
 incase I decide on a Susie.

 I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded 
 version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in 
 the 
 vintage MTB category.

 My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how 
 do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
 better all-rounder???

 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame 
> that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would 
> that possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>
> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Laura! 
>
> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, 
> but I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). 
> I 
> won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes 
> are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding 
> Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
>
> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? 
> Because there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Jared Wilson]

Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
limitations of either.

I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
riding you describe with ease.

The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger tire 
to take full advantage of its potential.

The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a way 
that leaves you wanting for nothing.

I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, where as 
the Plat handles similar loads with ease.

All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
previous size L.

I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, tho 
I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.

Best of luck with whatever you choose

Jared in SLO





On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size out 
> of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the comparison. 
> I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
> curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
> riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
> for off-road trails?
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hi Laura, welcome!
>>
>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
>> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
>> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air between 
>> trail and rim. 
>>
>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is both! 
>> Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current models - 
>> will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think you'll need to 
>> weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, higher 
>> toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can choose 
>> based on the name you like best! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more 
>>> for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are 
>>> back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to 
>>> get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast 
>>> incase I decide on a Susie.
>>>
>>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded 
>>> version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in the 
>>> vintage MTB category.
>>>
>>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how 
>>> do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
>>> better all-rounder???
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame 
 that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would 
 that possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 

 Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha

 Sent from my iPad

 On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi Laura! 

 I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, 
 but I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I 
 won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes 
 are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding 
 Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 

 My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
 there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like 
 this 
 month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
 (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
 delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
 so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)

 So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys 
 will arrive later in 2022.
 L

 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which 
> Rivendell bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a 
> Susie 
> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or 
> have 
> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
> would LOVE to have both, but 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size out 
of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the comparison. 
I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
for off-road trails?

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Laura, welcome!
>
> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air between 
> trail and rim. 
>
> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is both! 
> Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current models - 
> will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think you'll need to 
> weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, higher 
> toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can choose 
> based on the name you like best! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more 
>> for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are 
>> back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to 
>> get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast 
>> incase I decide on a Susie.
>>
>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded 
>> version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in the 
>> vintage MTB category.
>>
>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how do 
>> the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
>> better all-rounder???
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame 
>>> that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would 
>>> that possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>>>
>>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Laura! 
>>>
>>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but 
>>> I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I 
>>> won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes 
>>> are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding 
>>> Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
>>>
>>> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
>>> there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this 
>>> month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
>>> (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
>>> delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
>>> so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)
>>>
>>> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys 
>>> will arrive later in 2022.
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which 
 Rivendell bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a 
 Susie 
 Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or 
 have 
 turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
 would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!

 As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed 
 sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.

 Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
 trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
 tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
 be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?

 Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?

 Thanks for your help,
 Laura

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Laura, welcome!

Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air between 
trail and rim. 

As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is both! 
Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current models - 
will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think you'll need to 
weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, higher 
toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can choose 
based on the name you like best! 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more for 
> a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are back-ordered 
> as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to get all of the 
> components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast incase I decide 
> on a Susie.
>
> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded version. 
> Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in the vintage 
> MTB category.
>
> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how do 
> the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
> better all-rounder???
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame that 
>> will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would that 
>> possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>>
>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Laura! 
>>
>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but 
>> I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I 
>> won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes 
>> are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding 
>> Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
>>
>> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
>> there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this 
>> month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
>> (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
>> delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
>> so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)
>>
>> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys 
>> will arrive later in 2022.
>> L
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
>>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
>>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
>>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>>>
>>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed 
>>> sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>>>
>>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
>>> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
>>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
>>> be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>>>
>>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Laura
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more for 
a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are back-ordered 
as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to get all of the 
components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast incase I decide 
on a Susie.

I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded version. 
Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in the vintage 
MTB category.

My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how do 
the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
better all-rounder???

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame that 
> will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would that 
> possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>
> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Laura! 
>
> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but I 
> do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I won’t 
> speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes are set 
> up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding Platys all 
> over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
>
> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
> there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this 
> month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
> (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
> delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
> so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)
>
> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys will 
> arrive later in 2022.
> L
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>>
>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
>> Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>>
>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
>> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
>> be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>>
>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Laura
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Ben Mihovk]

 Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame that will 
be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would that possibly 
be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 

Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura! 
> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but I do 
> have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I won’t speak 
> to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes are set up 
> differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding Platys all over 
> the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
> 
> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because there 
> is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this month, 
> but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. (Rivendell says 
> May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months delayed. Last year 
> they said Platys would come October, then November, and so on and so forth. 
> They actually came in April or May of the next year.)
> 
> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys will 
> arrive later in 2022.
> L
> 
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie Longbolts. 
>> I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have turned one 
>> of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I would LOVE to 
>> have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>> 
>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
>> Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>> 
>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
>> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences be 
>> minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>> 
>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Laura
> 
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