[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Can you send me the HK program link for the 6 channel system. Maybe I will have better luck with it. -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
I wound up downloading software written by an end-user, and found it to be much more useful than the original software. I got the link in the comments section of the webpage that the radio is sold from. Once set up, it's pretty bulletproof. I hadn't heard the flammable cable report, but then I didn't go back to the page much once I had the radio. Sometimes when one cheaps out on a piece of gear, one has to do some fiddling to get it to work well (as I well know from cheaping out occasionally). While I am happy with my 6-ch HK radio, I am measurably more happy with the 9-ch Turnigy (rcvr only has 8-ch) that has every feature I expect a modern radio to have, fully programmable by itself, etc. For $50, I got more than I paid for as it is much better than my Spektrum. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Cobra wrote: > > > Clark Ward Jr wrote: >> To get channels 5 and 6 working, you need to have the programming >> cable and the PC software (free download) to enable and program. > > > I have said cable, 2 in fact since there have been reports of the > stupid things burnning themselves up. The programing would not allow 5 > and 6 to be programed. 1 thru 4 yes, but not 5 and 6! Stupid Hobby > King. If it's too cheap to be true, it is. > > Aaron F > > -- > You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > -- Clark in Georgia Working feverishly to expand the Greater Southeast Georgia Co-Prosperity Sphere! Banzai! -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Clark Ward Jr wrote: > To get channels 5 and 6 working, you need to have the programming > cable and the PC software (free download) to enable and program. I have said cable, 2 in fact since there have been reports of the stupid things burnning themselves up. The programing would not allow 5 and 6 to be programed. 1 thru 4 yes, but not 5 and 6! Stupid Hobby King. If it's too cheap to be true, it is. Aaron F -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Clark, My motivations for keeping a fire lit under you are not all rosey and sweet so that you can feel good about yourself. I keep you going so that I'll have someone to shoot at! Bill "the alterior motivator" B --- On Fri, 9/30/11, Clark Ward Jr wrote: From: Clark Ward Jr Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 9:31 PM To get channels 5 and 6 working, you need to have the programming cable and the PC software (free download) to enable and program. I bought one of the $25 6-ch HK radios and it works fine, altho I enjoy my next purchase (a 9-ch 2.4GHz Turnigy radio for $50) a lot more, as it is fully programmable using the buttons and the LCD screen on the transmitter. You can even reassign sticks and switches to which channel you like. On the fly. I did it with my RC battleship on the water, 10 seconds before war was declared, with gas on and everything. I bought 2 more receivers at $9 each and will be driving my tank with one. Gracias to Mike M and Bill B for keeping a fire lit under me on the tank work. On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:14 AM, wrote: > I'm planning on buying a hk radio in the next week or so, if nothing else > that for just to mess with and compare to my futaba, I don't know that I > would trust a hj radio for use in a plane or heli as I use the futaba for. > But for ground use... Sure > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Cobra > Sender: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:34:49 > To: R/C Tank Combat > Reply-To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > Subject: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment > > I bought The 6 channel Hobby King radio in hopes to use it in my tank, > but I could not get the 5 and 6 channels to do anything. I finnaly tok > it to the experts at the hobbyshop and they could not get it to work > either. I could drive and rotate the turret and move the gun, but not > pull a trigger. They finnaly came to the conclusion that 5 and 6 were > some sort of trim adjusters that could not opperate thier own > component. > If some one figures out how to make it work where 5 or 6 can function > normaly, let me know. But my advice is to avaoid the cheap HK radios. > > Aaron "has a bad taste in his mouth from HobbyKing" Freeman > > -- > You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > > -- > You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > -- Clark in Georgia Working feverishly to expand the Greater Southeast Georgia Co-Prosperity Sphere! Banzai! -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
To get channels 5 and 6 working, you need to have the programming cable and the PC software (free download) to enable and program. I bought one of the $25 6-ch HK radios and it works fine, altho I enjoy my next purchase (a 9-ch 2.4GHz Turnigy radio for $50) a lot more, as it is fully programmable using the buttons and the LCD screen on the transmitter. You can even reassign sticks and switches to which channel you like. On the fly. I did it with my RC battleship on the water, 10 seconds before war was declared, with gas on and everything. I bought 2 more receivers at $9 each and will be driving my tank with one. Gracias to Mike M and Bill B for keeping a fire lit under me on the tank work. On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:14 AM, wrote: > I'm planning on buying a hk radio in the next week or so, if nothing else > that for just to mess with and compare to my futaba, I don't know that I > would trust a hj radio for use in a plane or heli as I use the futaba for. > But for ground use... Sure > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Cobra > Sender: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:34:49 > To: R/C Tank Combat > Reply-To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > Subject: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment > > I bought The 6 channel Hobby King radio in hopes to use it in my tank, > but I could not get the 5 and 6 channels to do anything. I finnaly tok > it to the experts at the hobbyshop and they could not get it to work > either. I could drive and rotate the turret and move the gun, but not > pull a trigger. They finnaly came to the conclusion that 5 and 6 were > some sort of trim adjusters that could not opperate thier own > component. > If some one figures out how to make it work where 5 or 6 can function > normaly, let me know. But my advice is to avaoid the cheap HK radios. > > Aaron "has a bad taste in his mouth from HobbyKing" Freeman > > -- > You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > > -- > You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > -- Clark in Georgia Working feverishly to expand the Greater Southeast Georgia Co-Prosperity Sphere! Banzai! -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
I'm planning on buying a hk radio in the next week or so, if nothing else that for just to mess with and compare to my futaba, I don't know that I would trust a hj radio for use in a plane or heli as I use the futaba for. But for ground use... Sure Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Cobra Sender: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:34:49 To: R/C Tank Combat Reply-To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Subject: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment I bought The 6 channel Hobby King radio in hopes to use it in my tank, but I could not get the 5 and 6 channels to do anything. I finnaly tok it to the experts at the hobbyshop and they could not get it to work either. I could drive and rotate the turret and move the gun, but not pull a trigger. They finnaly came to the conclusion that 5 and 6 were some sort of trim adjusters that could not opperate thier own component. If some one figures out how to make it work where 5 or 6 can function normaly, let me know. But my advice is to avaoid the cheap HK radios. Aaron "has a bad taste in his mouth from HobbyKing" Freeman -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
I just checked all 6 channels of my HK6DF radio, and they all work fine operating servos. You might have a 4 channel receiver that is marked 6 channel. I'm not an HK salesman, and I don't get commission. I hesitated using the cheap radios when I got back into RC a couple of years ago and bought a $200 Futaba to have at least something that was reliable. My subsequent models have been fine with HK radios. My whole tank will cost about $450 including the radio. If I was using a Futaba, it would be over $600. --- On Thu, 9/29/11, Cobra wrote: From: Cobra Subject: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment To: "R/C Tank Combat" Date: Thursday, September 29, 2011, 6:34 PM I bought The 6 channel Hobby King radio in hopes to use it in my tank, but I could not get the 5 and 6 channels to do anything. I finnaly tok it to the experts at the hobbyshop and they could not get it to work either. I could drive and rotate the turret and move the gun, but not pull a trigger. They finnaly came to the conclusion that 5 and 6 were some sort of trim adjusters that could not opperate thier own component. If some one figures out how to make it work where 5 or 6 can function normaly, let me know. But my advice is to avaoid the cheap HK radios. Aaron "has a bad taste in his mouth from HobbyKing" Freeman -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Hey, I got a great Turnigy 9x that I use for my helis, and soon to be tank. The new ones have little to no glitches, just a bit of a learning curve. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Cobra wrote: > I bought The 6 channel Hobby King radio in hopes to use it in my tank, > but I could not get the 5 and 6 channels to do anything. I finnaly tok > it to the experts at the hobbyshop and they could not get it to work > either. I could drive and rotate the turret and move the gun, but not > pull a trigger. They finnaly came to the conclusion that 5 and 6 were > some sort of trim adjusters that could not opperate thier own > component. > If some one figures out how to make it work where 5 or 6 can function > normaly, let me know. But my advice is to avaoid the cheap HK radios. > > Aaron "has a bad taste in his mouth from HobbyKing" Freeman > > -- > You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
I bought The 6 channel Hobby King radio in hopes to use it in my tank, but I could not get the 5 and 6 channels to do anything. I finnaly tok it to the experts at the hobbyshop and they could not get it to work either. I could drive and rotate the turret and move the gun, but not pull a trigger. They finnaly came to the conclusion that 5 and 6 were some sort of trim adjusters that could not opperate thier own component. If some one figures out how to make it work where 5 or 6 can function normaly, let me know. But my advice is to avaoid the cheap HK radios. Aaron "has a bad taste in his mouth from HobbyKing" Freeman -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Is that.lgal Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Steve Tyng Sender: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:11:12 To: Reply-To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Subject: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment A minimalist tank: - Radio Shack rock crawler toy - Cardboard box covering the rock crawler with a Stug III drawn on the side in Crayon - Kmart paintball gun duct taped to the box - A string is tied to the gun trigger for firing - A supply of cheap off brand alkaline batteries -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Yes, the Hobby King radio sets are in the $22-50 range. My 6ch Futaba was
also over $200 2 years ago. It does have front panel programming including
servo travel percentage, dual rate switch and different model pre-sets,
training connectors, and it came with battery and charger for the TX, and 4
servos. My Futaba did not come with the receiver battery though.
The HK radios do not have TX or RX batteries, charger or servos. Servos are
cheap, the RX runs off of the model battery (warships or tanks using the
correct voltage reducer) and the TX batteries and charger were $20 at
Walmart. The HK trim tabs are active on my HK6DF, not just for show. The
radio I ordered last night was $27 for the radio and $17 for cheapest
shipping. $44 is still good.
Bill
--- On Thu, 9/29/11, pilo...@comcast.net wrote:
From: pilo...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 29, 2011, 1:04 PM
#yiv1176707163 p {margin:0;}
and is it really only $30?!?!? i paid about 10 times that for my futaba 7cap
a number of years ago
From: "HV"
To: "R/C Tank Combat"
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:26:30 AM
Subject: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
"Some legal tanks can be less than 2 feet long."
Agreed. A 2-foot turret-less tank should be a low cost minimalist tank
that would be good for entry-level people. Some early US gun carriers/
SPG's seem to fit. The small tanks generally have less armor though.
On Sep 29, 4:28 am, neroc wrote:
> HV wrote >-
> "It depends on whether it is built to the rules or is a free-form
> tank
> built to simply accomplish two things:
> 1. Maneuver over some type of TBD terrain under radio control.
> 2. Carry a weapon of some proven type that has at least a 100 foot
> range.
> I'm thinking of people who have no one to battle with"
>
> The problem with that is when people do find someone to battle with,
> they still wont have a tank to battle with that is within the
> rules.Why not just build a tank within the rules ? thats how it begins
> and people will follow. Some legal tanks can be less than 2 feet long,
> if your clever enough to build a tank that small.
>
> Im sure people will find ways to bring my £750.00 total down quite a
> lot.
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[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
A minimalist tank: - Radio Shack rock crawler toy - Cardboard box covering the rock crawler with a Stug III drawn on the side in Crayon - Kmart paintball gun duct taped to the box - A string is tied to the gun trigger for firing - A supply of cheap off brand alkaline batteries -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
and is it really only $30?!?!? i paid about 10 times that for my futaba 7cap a number of years ago - Original Message - From: "HV" To: "R/C Tank Combat" Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:26:30 AM Subject: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment "Some legal tanks can be less than 2 feet long." Agreed. A 2-foot turret-less tank should be a low cost minimalist tank that would be good for entry-level people. Some early US gun carriers/ SPG's seem to fit. The small tanks generally have less armor though. On Sep 29, 4:28 am, neroc wrote: > HV wrote >- > "It depends on whether it is built to the rules or is a free-form > tank > built to simply accomplish two things: > 1. Maneuver over some type of TBD terrain under radio control. > 2. Carry a weapon of some proven type that has at least a 100 foot > range. > I'm thinking of people who have no one to battle with" > > The problem with that is when people do find someone to battle with, > they still wont have a tank to battle with that is within the > rules.Why not just build a tank within the rules ? thats how it begins > and people will follow. Some legal tanks can be less than 2 feet long, > if your clever enough to build a tank that small. > > Im sure people will find ways to bring my £750.00 total down quite a > lot. -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
steve, the hk radio appears to have the trim levers on the sticks... those are non functional? - Original Message - From: "Steve Tyng" To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:07:32 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment A point to remember, the Hobbyking radios require a separate PC to program them (even to make trim adjustments). Not necessarily a bad thing but the cost of a portable PC needs to be factored in if you want to be able to make adjustments field-side. Steve -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
The slightly more expensive version of the HK radio can now be programmed at the transmitter, eliminating the requirement for a computer. Mike From: Steve Tyng To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment A point to remember, the Hobbyking radios require a separate PC to program them (even to make trim adjustments). Not necessarily a bad thing but the cost of a portable PC needs to be factored in if you want to be able to make adjustments field-side. Steve -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
"Some legal tanks can be less than 2 feet long." Agreed. A 2-foot turret-less tank should be a low cost minimalist tank that would be good for entry-level people. Some early US gun carriers/ SPG's seem to fit. The small tanks generally have less armor though. On Sep 29, 4:28 am, neroc wrote: > HV wrote >- > "It depends on whether it is built to the rules or is a free-form > tank > built to simply accomplish two things: > 1. Maneuver over some type of TBD terrain under radio control. > 2. Carry a weapon of some proven type that has at least a 100 foot > range. > I'm thinking of people who have no one to battle with" > > The problem with that is when people do find someone to battle with, > they still wont have a tank to battle with that is within the > rules.Why not just build a tank within the rules ? thats how it begins > and people will follow. Some legal tanks can be less than 2 feet long, > if your clever enough to build a tank that small. > > Im sure people will find ways to bring my £750.00 total down quite a > lot. -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment- HK radio
The programmable Hobby King radios require a computer, but they have non-programmable systems too. The $29 HK6DF (link below) has 6 channels, ch1-4 are reversable via front panel switches and ch1-2 have a mixing mode via switch on front panel. It doesn't have servo throw adjustments or dual rates, but if these are not important then the radio is fine. I have one of these for my present tank project, and I ordered another one last night for the next project. My radio has not been battle tested, but some of the model warship guys use them and I haven't heard any negative feedback. I used ch1-2 in normal mode for the Tri-Pact relay speed controller, and then switched ch1-2 to mixing mode when I got ESCs. For a "dumb" radio, it is versatile. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16238__HobbyKing_HK6DF_2_4Ghz_FHSS_6Ch_Tx_Rx_Mode_1_.html Bill --- On Thu, 9/29/11, Steve Tyng wrote: From: Steve Tyng Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 29, 2011, 5:07 AM A point to remember, the Hobbyking radios require a separate PC to program them (even to make trim adjustments). Not necessarily a bad thing but the cost of a portable PC needs to be factored in if you want to be able to make adjustments field-side. Steve -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
HV wrote >- "It depends on whether it is built to the rules or is a free-form tank built to simply accomplish two things: 1. Maneuver over some type of TBD terrain under radio control. 2. Carry a weapon of some proven type that has at least a 100 foot range. I'm thinking of people who have no one to battle with" The problem with that is when people do find someone to battle with, they still wont have a tank to battle with that is within the rules.Why not just build a tank within the rules ? thats how it begins and people will follow. Some legal tanks can be less than 2 feet long, if your clever enough to build a tank that small. Im sure people will find ways to bring my £750.00 total down quite a lot. -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
A point to remember, the Hobbyking radios require a separate PC to program them (even to make trim adjustments). Not necessarily a bad thing but the cost of a portable PC needs to be factored in if you want to be able to make adjustments field-side. Steve -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
1. A 6 ch Tx/Rx can be bought at http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9042__Hobby_King_2_4Ghz_6Ch_Tx_Rx_V2_Mode_2_.htmlfor US$22.99 plus shipping. I couldn't say much about any of the other stuff. -Gregory On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Steve Tyng wrote: > Agreed, I missed your point. > > Steve > > > -- > You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. > To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Agreed, I missed your point. Steve -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
You misunderstood my point, perhaps because I did not state it clearly. The cost of those commercial products is beside the point. I mentioned them because they are significantly smaller/lighter than the typical 36"-long/100+ lb RC tank, and yet seem to be adequate for outdoor terrain. -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
LT Tracked robot kit: $2,900 Jaguar Mobile Tracked Platform: $3500 High cost of entry for an aluminum box with some tracks stuck on it (with no radio or motor controller). IMO, the tracks and drive are the easiest part of a build. There are many duplicate parts that make tracks tedious but the basic design and concepts are not hard. A fully functional turret that feeds paintballs well can be a real challenge, particularity as they get smaller. One thing to consider with these tracked ROV kits is that they are designed for low speed search and surveillance. Any of the current battling tanks could run circles around them. Here's a thought, give me $4K and I'll make anybody a competitive tank. Steve Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Another comment on Frank's question (1) on a minimal tank. A couple of data points on what is a proven minimal size for a tracked vehicle that can (a) operate on outdoor terrain, and (b) carry a payload such as a paintball gun: 1. www.superdroidrobots.com - The LT Tracked ATR robot kit. L = 26" W = 14" Ground clearance looks about 2" Measured amperage draw for a pivot turn in tall grass, 15 amps 2. www.robotshop.com - Dr. Robot Jaguar tracked mobile platform L = 25" W = 18.5" H = 7" weight = 30 lbs LiPo batteries These products indicate that "free-form" tracked vehicles for carrying paintball guns could be significantly smaller in size, weight, power, and cost than most of the 1/6 scale model tanks that have been built (Panzer II possibly excepted?). -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
I was away yesterday, but sorry to see the thread died, as I thought Frank's questions were worthy of serious responses. I'll offer a couple of thoughts toward answering the questions. I have been only peripherally working in the hobby on and off, starting with building a minimal-cost wheeled chassis, then going off on a tangent and building a minimal cost and much smaller robot. Both of these were considerably less expensive than Neil's 750-950 UKP estimates, if I consider only the final parts and not the parts that were tried and found wanting. I wanted to answer the question of what is the smallest/cheapest vehicle that I could run in my backyard. I figured that the 1/16 scale tanks were too small, and that grass would foul up the tracks, so something a bit bigger with decent ground clearance would be needed. Some lessons learned were that a small wheeled vehicle of dimensions w= 15", L= 12", 6" wheels, 4" ground clearance can operate on some relatively benign outdoor terrains such as lawn grass, gravel, dirt, quite well. This vehicle used four $10 motors, very low RPM, so the thing is very slow, but very CHEAP! A single 7 AH battery easily lasts an hour. I guess it is similar to an RC rock crawler, but simpler and cheaper. However, most people are interested in tracked vehicles, including me. Earlier this year I started work on a tank. Like my previous efforts, it is more of an experiment in reducing size, weight, power, and cost than anything. I was therefore gratified to see that the Pitellis were thinking on the same lines. I spent/wasted a lot of time selecting what I thought would be the simplest-to-construct tracks. I wound up choosing hinge tracks. I chose a tank that has narrow tracks (Russian "Sprut" assault gun) because at scale, 2" hinges are about the right size, and these smaller hinges weigh less. I wanted to use plastic hinges, but couldn't find any that would work. I'm still not happy with this choice though. In my opinion the track/drive system is the biggest hurdle in building a tank. I would vote for that as the core of any kit. Some more thoughts later. Got to run. -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
1.) What's the minimum cost to construct and battle a tank for the first time? It depends on whether it is built to the rules or is a free-form tank built to simply accomplish two things: 1. Maneuver over some type of TBD terrain under radio control. 2. Carry a weapon of some proven type that has at least a 100 foot range. I'm thinking of people who have no one to battle with and limited outdoor space for battling. A free-form tank, probably with a 1:1 length-width ratio, about 18"x18", weight less than 40 lbs. There could be a speed limit rule with a low speed limit to allow use of low RPM, low power, cheap, high-torque motors. No turret. On Sep 23, 11:48 am, neroc wrote: > Can we say we are talking about a small simple tank , without > suspension or super charged motors. > > Q1/ Each part will require listing and individually pricing. > In the UK :- > > i, Drive motors £100. > ii, Drive controller £100. > iii, Marker + bottle + mask £140. > iv, Radio set £100. > v, Turret motor/controller £60. > vi, batteries+charger £100. > vii, structure material £60. > viii, Axles+drive gear £50. > ix, wheels+track £0-200. > x, fixings+paint £40. > > That comes to a whopping total of up to £750.00 - £950.00 > Note : These prices are for `new` items, second hand/salvaged or > liberated items do pop up sometimes. > A builder may already have many of these items bringing the total down > considerably . > > Q2/ This is the biggest unknown factor. I would say to be realistic , > 300 hours. > Work time will greatly reduce with higher skills and better equipment. > > Q3/ Where possible I think apart from the hull and turret (unless part > of a kit) and maybe tracks depending on type, everything would be > better bought ready made. for reasons of standardization and > reliability. > > Q4/ If a starter kit is in consideration by some one on here, what > tank or tanks would be on offer? > I do believe that people delude themselves when starting to build a > tank. I`ve seen so many people build a plywood tank shaped box , then > disappear off the forum. > New people will generally want to build their "own" tank , even if > they are without the ability. when I say ability I also mean > determination. > > Neil R -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
[TANKS] Re: Model T Experiment
Can we say we are talking about a small simple tank , without suspension or super charged motors. Q1/ Each part will require listing and individually pricing. In the UK :- i,Drive motors£100. ii, Drive controller£100. iii, Marker + bottle + mask £140. iv, Radio set £100. v,Turret motor/controller £60. vi, batteries+charger £100. vii, structure material £60. viii, Axles+drive gear£50. ix, wheels+track£0-200. x,fixings+paint £40. That comes to a whopping total of up to £750.00 - £950.00 Note : These prices are for `new` items, second hand/salvaged or liberated items do pop up sometimes. A builder may already have many of these items bringing the total down considerably . Q2/ This is the biggest unknown factor. I would say to be realistic , 300 hours. Work time will greatly reduce with higher skills and better equipment. Q3/ Where possible I think apart from the hull and turret (unless part of a kit) and maybe tracks depending on type, everything would be better bought ready made. for reasons of standardization and reliability. Q4/ If a starter kit is in consideration by some one on here, what tank or tanks would be on offer? I do believe that people delude themselves when starting to build a tank. I`ve seen so many people build a plywood tank shaped box , then disappear off the forum. New people will generally want to build their "own" tank , even if they are without the ability. when I say ability I also mean determination. Neil R -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
