Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question about running two repeaters with one basic controller
I once used a CES-SDI-50 with the separate control receiver input and it actually worked quite well. There was no detectable loss in the audio -- On some you might want to key the controller with a PL decoder rather than the control receiver cor as it seems to work much smoother than with COS in at least some instances. Dave // NØATH - Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question about running two repeaters with one basic controller Matt wrote: Hi everyone. I have a very basic one-port controller and two repeaters that I want to run back-to-back in a very simple configuration...nothing fancy required. Instead of buying an expensive multi-port controller, could I theoretically just run two sets of cables from the controller port connector, one to each repeater? All I really care about is that both repeaters transmit whenever a signal is received on either of the two repeaters. The controller has a special control receiver port, so I won't really be mixing the RX audio. But, transmit audio would be fed to both repeaters from the controller. Would I get degraded TX audio? Or just a lower level of TX audio on each repeater? Any other things I should keep in mind (cautions, etc)? Thanks, Matt Certainly, but yes there are drawbacks. It's a good thing you have a controller with a separate control rx input, assuming it also has a COS input for that rx as well. I am doing something very similar with an S-Com 6K, using a Phoenix as a link radio. It is a 1-1/2 port controller as the one you mention, 2 rx and one tx port. It also has some programmable user outputs, and I use one of those, with some judicious programing, as the PTT for the second tx, but for your application you can diode-or the PTT output from the controller to each tx. For tx audio, I found the Phoenix requires a little less audio drive than the Micor, so there is a pot (5K) in series with the GE audio, but it is basically just tied in parallel. It does take some careful adjustment to get the GE audio right without degrading the Micor audio, but it can be made to work. Another drawback is restrictions on control, but that is dependant on the controller you use. The macro capabilites in the 6K make it posible to create commands to control the second radio adequately. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
The Communications Specialists web site shows no such configuration. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question about running two repeaters with one basic controller
--- Steve Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soneone correct me if I'm wrong, but another thing to look out for is the fact that this setup might be deemed to be a station in auxillary operation. In part 97 if one of the repeaters is on a pair under 222.5 MHz you cannot control the repeaters hard linked together from the system on the channel below 220.5 MHz; all control must be disabled on that repeater. For example, you can't turn a 70cm repeater on or off, or cause them to be come linked or unlinked from the 2 meter repeater input. You are wrong. Control as stated by the FCC is the ability to turn the transmitter off or on in the case of illegal activity . All the other functions such as turning on remoter bases or linking is fine on any repeater frequency. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question about running two repeaters with one basic controller
I don't want this to become a flame thread but I'm not sure I'm completely wrong about this. A decision by the FCC regarding Kenwood's sky command feature indicates that no control ability for the link to another repeater can be on a frequency below 222.15 MHz. Here's the link: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/07/28/3/ From what I can interpret from part 97, it appears to be illegal to have *any* kind of link control capability on any frequency below 222.15 mhz. For example let's test this theory on a 2 repeater system and a 70 centimeter repeater system sharing the same controller at the same site. The way the FCC recently interpreted 97.201(a) and 97201(b) is that the repeater on 2 meters or below *cannot* have any physical capability of changing the operational state of its hard linked 70 centimeter partner. The reverse scenario, however, is perfectly legal; the 70 centimeter repeater can change the operational state of the link to the 2 meter repeater or even enable or disable the 2 meter repeater. In my honest opinion, the safe thing to do in this case is to only make the commands work on a repeater above 222.15mhz, and provide no audio path to the DTMF decoder from the repeater(s) located below 222.15Mhz. This is also why you don't see remote base uplinks and downlinks or Internet linked machines on 2 meters or below. Steve WA6ZFT On Friday 10 September 2004 17:53, Ralph Mowery wrote: --- Steve Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soneone correct me if I'm wrong, but another thing to look out for is the fact that this setup might be deemed to be a station in auxillary operation. In part 97 if one of the repeaters is on a pair under 222.5 MHz you cannot control the repeaters hard linked together from the system on the channel below 220.5 MHz; all control must be disabled on that repeater. For example, you can't turn a 70cm repeater on or off, or cause them to be come linked or unlinked from the 2 meter repeater input. You are wrong. Control as stated by the FCC is the ability to turn the transmitter off or on in the case of illegal activity . All the other functions such as turning on remoter bases or linking is fine on any repeater frequency. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
Chuck is correct. The on-board included HIGH-PASS filter is used in the audio path to the controller to filter out PL tones. The PL tone decoder has its own LOW-PASS filter which allows only PL tones to pass to the decoder (maybe that is what Charles meant). The board audio input J1D (Green wire) feeds both the high and low pass filters. The high-pass filter output (usually goes to the controller) is J1G (Blue wire). The decode time specification for the TS-64 is 150 ms nominal. Good info can be found at the Communications-Specialist-Inc website site. http://www.com-spec.com/index1.htm 73, Tony VE3DWI -Original Message- From: Chuck Kelsey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Communications Specialists web site shows no such configuration. Chuck WB2EDV The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] POWER DIVIDER
Hi, I wonder if anybody has experiece that makes a power divider using coaxial cable? How good this divider could be? Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] ts 64 pickup time?
OK, so tell us about your filter. Perhaps others will want to copy it! Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. I've recently added a ts64 to a 2 meter Micor repeater and have noticed that the PL decode time is noticeable, probably between 1/4 and 1/2 second. I'm use to Motorola PL decoders that have no noticeable pickup time. The ts64 decode seems to be solid with no problems talking it off. The input is right off the Micor's discriminator. Is this normal or do I have a problem? It's certainly an effective kurchunk filter! 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS Decoder Response Times - General Information
Can anyone point me to where I can find application notes on interfacing an external repeater controller to a Kenwood TKR820 Table-Top repeater.I did look on some of the more popular mfg. web sites but did not findwhat I was looking for. I have a UHF that I would like use with a link radio. Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeaters
He must not be very bright he obviously did not read the license agreement very close. Mike -Original Message- From: steve scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeaters Since were talking about this... Did anyone else notice the fella, last week, that was selling ALL of Kenwoods programming software, bundled and burned onto a CD, on E-bay for a final price of $4.00? H. Do you have any idea how pissed that made me. Steve --- Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, your right Kenwood does attempt to protect it's dealers with an internal policy to purchase products from local dealers. This policy is Kenwoods, NOT mine, therefore I need not follow it! Fortunately this is America and we are able to choose from whomever we want to purchase products from, even if I have a Kenwood dealer right next door to my location. Your definition of legit is inaccurate and insulting to the buyer of Kenwood products. Regards, Barry fine-drive all the dealers out of business by buying from some idiots in japan or russia or whatever. This is why we don't sell to ##$%#% hams. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Waaaaaayy off topic, Bluegrass Festival at W3KKC's
Kevin, since you are going to have fm transmission how about streaming the audio so us west coast folks can listen in? 73 Ray K6PNG Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Question about running two repeaters with one basic controller
Thanks for the replies about the shared-controller idea. Got several additional technical factors to think about now as I continue playing with this project...I've taken note of all suggestions received thus far and will take a day or two to consider those things and then finish the project. As for the legal concerns, there shouldn't be a problem. The repeaters consist of one 2m, and one 440 Mhz. I can use the control receiver input line on the controller for the 440 side (the control receiver gets priority for all DTMF commands, over the repeater receiver line). At this point I don't think I'll do any additional work to prevent DTMF control from the 2m side though...I plan to send any DTMF commands through the 440 repeater anyway. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Steve Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want this to become a flame thread but I'm not sure I'm completely wrong about this. A decision by the FCC regarding Kenwood's sky command feature indicates that no control ability for the link to another repeater can be on a frequency below 222.15 MHz. Here's the link: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/07/28/3/ From what I can interpret from part 97, it appears to be illegal to have *any* kind of link control capability on any frequency below 222.15 mhz. For example let's test this theory on a 2 repeater system and a 70 centimeter repeater system sharing the same controller at the same site. The way the FCC recently interpreted 97.201(a) and 97201(b) is that the repeater on 2 meters or below *cannot* have any physical capability of changing the operational state of its hard linked 70 centimeter partner. The reverse scenario, however, is perfectly legal; the 70 centimeter repeater can change the operational state of the link to the 2 meter repeater or even enable or disable the 2 meter repeater. In my honest opinion, the safe thing to do in this case is to only make the commands work on a repeater above 222.15mhz, and provide no audio path to the DTMF decoder from the repeater(s) located below 222.15Mhz. This is also why you don't see remote base uplinks and downlinks or Internet linked machines on 2 meters or below. Steve WA6ZFT On Friday 10 September 2004 17:53, Ralph Mowery wrote: --- Steve Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soneone correct me if I'm wrong, but another thing to look out for is the fact that this setup might be deemed to be a station in auxillary operation. In part 97 if one of the repeaters is on a pair under 222.5 MHz you cannot control the repeaters hard linked together from the system on the channel below 220.5 MHz; all control must be disabled on that repeater. For example, you can't turn a 70cm repeater on or off, or cause them to be come linked or unlinked from the 2 meter repeater input. You are wrong. Control as stated by the FCC is the ability to turn the transmitter off or on in the case of illegal activity . All the other functions such as turning on remoter bases or linking is fine on any repeater frequency. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question about running two repeaters with one basic controller
You are right. You can't do it at this time under part 97. It may be changed soon but as of this writting it is not aloud under the rules. Just read part 97 it is very clear on this point. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Steve Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question about running two repeaters with one basic controller I don't want this to become a flame thread but I'm not sure I'm completely wrong about this. A decision by the FCC regarding Kenwood's sky command feature indicates that no control ability for the link to another repeater can be on a frequency below 222.15 MHz. Here's the link: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/07/28/3/ From what I can interpret from part 97, it appears to be illegal to have *any* kind of link control capability on any frequency below 222.15 mhz. For example let's test this theory on a 2 repeater system and a 70 centimeter repeater system sharing the same controller at the same site. The way the FCC recently interpreted 97.201(a) and 97201(b) is that the repeater on 2 meters or below *cannot* have any physical capability of changing the operational state of its hard linked 70 centimeter partner. The reverse scenario, however, is perfectly legal; the 70 centimeter repeater can change the operational state of the link to the 2 meter repeater or even enable or disable the 2 meter repeater. In my honest opinion, the safe thing to do in this case is to only make the commands work on a repeater above 222.15mhz, and provide no audio path to the DTMF decoder from the repeater(s) located below 222.15Mhz. This is also why you don't see remote base uplinks and downlinks or Internet linked machines on 2 meters or below. Steve WA6ZFT On Friday 10 September 2004 17:53, Ralph Mowery wrote: --- Steve Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soneone correct me if I'm wrong, but another thing to look out for is the fact that this setup might be deemed to be a station in auxillary operation. In part 97 if one of the repeaters is on a pair under 222.5 MHz you cannot control the repeaters hard linked together from the system on the channel below 220.5 MHz; all control must be disabled on that repeater. For example, you can't turn a 70cm repeater on or off, or cause them to be come linked or unlinked from the 2 meter repeater input. You are wrong. Control as stated by the FCC is the ability to turn the transmitter off or on in the case of illegal activity . All the other functions such as turning on remoter bases or linking is fine on any repeater frequency. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS Decoder Response Times - General Information
If you buy the service man. for it you will be able to walk your self right through a controler install. From the looks of it there are a pile of Kenwood dealers on the list who could sell it to you. Good luck! Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Frederick E. Fitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS Decoder Response Times - General Information Can anyone point me to where I can find application notes on interfacing an external repeater controller to a Kenwood TKR820 Table-Top repeater.I did look on some of the more popular mfg. web sites but did not findwhat I was looking for. I have a UHF that I would like use with a link radio. Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater
Thanks to all who have responded to my inquiry about a Kenwood TKR-750 repeater. As usual the information was extremely helpful Thanks again. Joel W4SLH Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS Decoder Response Times - General Information
At 03:16 AM 9/10/04, you wrote: Can anyone point me to where I can find application notes on interfacing an external repeater controller to a Kenwood TKR820 Table-Top repeater.I did look on some of the more popular mfg. web sites but did not findwhat I was looking for. I have a UHF that I would like use with a link radio. Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everything that I have found elsewhere is pointed to by links on the Kenwood page at www.repeater-builder.com Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Waaaaaayy off topic, Bluegrass Festival at W3KKC's
Hams make the best musicians ;-) I have had several of my little musicians become hams :-) http://www.jcboothband.org I get to teach 265 of those little ones each day. Don't have our group playing it...but if you look under the Symphonic Band music...there are a couple of pieces we played at a festival last year. 73, Robert Just a trumpet player at heart ;-) Message: 4 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:38:28 -0400 From: John J. Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Waayy off topic, Bluegrass Festival at W3KKC's Kevin, How refreshing to read that you are a Musician as well... Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Waaaaaayy off topic, Bluegrass Festival at W3KKC's
Ray Retzlaff wrote: Kevin, since you are going to have fm transmission how about streaming the audio so us west coast folks can listen in? Too many things to do right now. I am offering (free) high-speed internet service to the folks in the camping areas, but I don't think I'd have enough bandwidth to do it right. I'm running a 2.4 gig (802.11b) shot about 14 miles (non line of sight) from a borrowed T1 to my house. From there I have a wireless router (Linksys) as an access point. While the thing works pretty well, I don't want to be a hog for those trying to do the internet thing. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] POWER DIVIDER
Whoops,disregard the last message,sent in error!!! - Original Message - From: Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] POWER DIVIDER wa3ushatvelocity.net - Original Message - From: spiderman_7505 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] POWER DIVIDER Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS Decoder Response Times - General Information
Frederick, I think this is what you were asking for the rear connector pin-out for the tkr820. Right? Regards, Barry KENWOOD TKR CSI PRODUCT PIN (ACCESSORY CONN.) (1) HOOK (HK) -GND (3) (3) DIRECT MOD. INPUT (DI) SUB-TONE (7) (4) DISCRIMINATOR OUTPUT (DE) -RX RADIO (6) (5) MODULATION INPUT (LI) -TX RADIO (4) (7) SWITCHED B+ (13.6V @ 1A) --+12 VDC (2) (8) PTT INPUT (PT) PTT (5) (11) GROUND (GN) ---GND (3) (13) COR OUTPUT (CO) ---COS (8) (5 VDC, WHEN RX, O VDC) Last updated 11/5/96 Frederick E. Fitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone point me to where I can find application notes on interfacing an external repeater controller to a Kenwood TKR820 Table-Top repeater.I did look on some of the more popular mfg. web sites but did not findwhat I was looking for. I have a UHF that I would like use with a link radio. Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] POWER DIVIDER
At 11:22 PM 9/9/2004 -, you wrote: Hi, I wonder if anybody has experiece that makes a power divider using coaxial cable? How good this divider could be? --I use a 4-way one, on my 2 meter EME array. What info are you looking for? Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] ts 64 pickup time?
I've again looked at the TS-64 schematic. I can find no way to selectively use (or not use) the low pass filter that is integral on the board -- as you call it the input filter. As such, I must conclude that Charles Miller must have incorrectly connected his TS-64, then realized the wiring error, corrected it and it worked like it should have all along. Chuck WB2EDV Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Cavity filters from aluminium beer barrels ?
Hi, Has anyone used beer barrels to make cavity filters ? Any info/designs would be useful.Cheers Dave Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cavity filters from aluminium beer barrels ?
I'm sure you'll get plenty of volunteers to help empty 'em! Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: dave_g7uzn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 2:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Cavity filters from aluminium beer barrels ? Hi, Has anyone used beer barrels to make cavity filters ? Any info/designs would be useful.Cheers Dave Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] POWER DIVIDER
wa3ushatvelocity.net - Original Message - From: spiderman_7505 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] POWER DIVIDER Hi, I wonder if anybody has experiece that makes a power divider using coaxial cable? How good this divider could be? Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cavity filters from aluminium beer barrels ?
Try to use the 10 meter (29 MHz) barrels to make a filter lots of folks will help you empty themsmile! - Original Message - From: dave_g7uzn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Cavity filters from aluminium beer barrels ? Hi, Has anyone used beer barrels to make cavity filters ? Any info/designs would be useful.Cheers Dave Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeaters
Jim, I thought I'd drop you a line. I respect your thoughts on protecting the dealers, although most dealers tend to gouge the [EMAIL PROTECTED] out of the ham radio market as we only buy one or two repeaters at a time. Granted, this is the way things work in the real world. Dealers are looking for big sales like a P.D. to make any money, most buyers would request a price break after xxx units bought:) Not here where I live:) These morons pay list price for 500 units of M gear xts5000 stuff...off subject someone is in bed with someone:) Here is my thoughts on the subject, if I have a dealer that wants say $1500.00 for a repeater and another dealer offers me the same gear for $1100.00, I would buy from the guy not charging me list price! Since Kenwood gear is of such high quality I would be very surprised if it failed and had to be returned for warranty repair unless it was a lemon or got blown up by the ham radio owner. Either way, the unit would be send to a Authorized service center, not some dealer with a magic screw driver and an ohm meter to figure out what blew up. I'm luck I have a deal that will sell me any product of Kenwood for dealer cost plus 5% and S H here so I have no problems with my commercial ham stuff... After speaking with my dealer I was informed that all warranty repair items send to him were to be sent to an Authorized service center not him for repair and he would be reimbursed for his shipping cost. Therefore I can only assume the dealer your referring to that gets burned for repair in a moron... I suggest your moron friends of Kenwood get in touch with Kenwood to follow up on return policies as it appears to be in the dark. Regards, Barry --- wrote: Richard W. Solomon wrote: Sounds like Restraint of Trade to me. Where are the Lawyers when you need them !! Dick, W1KSZ ummm-no, it's called 'Anti-trust' policies. These dealers that come in from outside that are willing to sell equipment significantly under dealer cost just to get their foot in the door (with the final desired result of putting the locals out of business, which is where the anti-trust comes in) need a good swift smack in the head. Oh, and then when someone buys from them, and it breaks, they expect the local dealer, who they snubbed, to fix it. Free. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cavity filters from aluminium beer barrels ?
Is that 10 meter or 10 liter? --- russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to use the 10 meter (29 MHz) barrels to make a filter lots of folks will help you empty themsmile! - Original Message - From: dave_g7uzn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Cavity filters from aluminium beer barrels ? Hi, Has anyone used beer barrels to make cavity filters ? Any info/designs would be useful.Cheers Dave Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
Let me see if I can find the paper work for the unit that I have in the repeater. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The Communications Specialists web site shows no such configuration. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
Ok I finally found the book for the repeater. The repeater has a board the can have up to 16 TS-32P's. The board has a low pass filter in it that can be used if needed. The manufacture notes that some systems put out more noise from the discriminator than others and is the reason they have the filter. They go on to in detail how to determine if the filter is needed or not. The discriminator output runs to the board, if used goes through the filter, then into an amp to go into a splitter. This in turns feeds audio to the decoders. If the decoder is not used then a 600 ohm resistor is inserted where the decoder goes. This is to provide a constant load to the splitter output. During the testing of the repeater I found the decode delay to be about 400mS or more. The lower the tone to longer it took. I then used the filter and the decode time was less than 100mS for all tones used. You are correct in that the TS-32 and TS-64 do not have this feature. My apologizes to the group. The company that manufactured this board has long since gone away. I have not been able to find anything other than a community repeater tone controller which this is to take it's place. This thing was manufactured a very long time ago, probable before the programmable unit hit the market. It does however show that another board can be used to expand the number of decoders that can be used. It also has a feature to use a different encode tone that the decode tone. 73's Charles Miller WD5EEH - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The Communications Specialists web site shows no such configuration. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
