Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Cowboy]

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 03:05:50 pm Rob Landry wrote:
> The problem is that the USB sound device occasionally disappears, then 
> reappears, causing Rivendell not to see it until the Rivendell daemons are 
> restarted.

 Good for you ! ( restarting the daemons )

 I've seen this before, and not just with USB sound cards, but with other
 USB things, whence I learned that the *only* way to actually reset the
 USB, is a cold restart.

 Were that there was ( and perhaps today there is ) a way to re-initialize
 the USB without a firmware reset.

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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Cowboy]

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 03:37:15 pm Fred Gleason wrote:
> AFAICT, Tryphon has never forked Rivendell,

 Perhaps a mis-use of the word.

 Point being that while one is free to deviate from the officially
 supported version of anything, there are risks in doing so.

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell on CentOS 7 [WAS: Tryphon Debian Repository]

[Cowboy]

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 03:59:00 pm Fred Gleason wrote:
> Now if I could just get Kickstart to do that reliably…
> 

 Perhaps if the only thing kickstart ever did, was to kick
 start your script ?

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 04:07:48 pm Alan Smith wrote:
> but I notice the "shipping" version of Rivendell on them 
> is always 2.5.5...and the only thing that is actually refreshed on the 
> newer appliance disks is the underlying OS...

 That would be quite wrong !

 What links are you using ?

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Re: [RDD] MySQL / MariaDB

[Hoggins!]

Hello,

Le 21/06/2016 à 21:30, Fred Gleason a écrit :
>> Well, my plan is to switch to Fedora 24, and from what I read on this
>> list, it seems that, as it ships with MariaDB as a replacement for
>> MySQL, I might run into a lot of trouble... with the additional fact
>> that the default storage engine is InnoDB. And I seem to remember that
>> this engine is not well supported either by Rivendell.
>
> Just curious: why Fedora and not RHEL 7 (or one of free clones
> thereof)? FWIW, I’ve been developing Rivendell on CentOS 7 for a year
> now (with MariaDB).  No problems found.
>
> Cheers!

Well, my bad, I thought MariaDB would have been an issue at all. Thanks
for clarifying.

As for Fedora's choice, well... from the beginning (the earliest
download of Rivendell I can find on the server is 2.2.0, but I'm sure I
started with an even older version, so was my Fedora distrib at the
time), it has always worked very well. So... I kept it :)

Thanks for the info !

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[RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Alan Smith]

Since the appliance has been mentioned, something I have wondered...

There have been several "appliance" versions now, and I always take a 
peek in a VM, but I notice the "shipping" version of Rivendell on them 
is always 2.5.5...and the only thing that is actually refreshed on the 
newer appliance disks is the underlying OS...


Just curious of there is a reason for this, or just coincidental?

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell on CentOS 7 [WAS: Tryphon Debian Repository]

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 21, 2016, at 10:00, Cowboy  wrote:

> Fred tells me with great regularity that he has had no trouble whatever
> with CentOS 7 **PROVIDED** you use the XFCE desktop and not Gnome3
> under any circumstances whatever.

++

Gnome 3 IS a basket case — unintuitive, unstable and the Resource Pig of the 
Universe.  So, I generally start with a ‘minimal’ installation of CentOS 7 (no 
GUI at all) and then add in XFCE4 and Rivendell.  The result is a mean, lean 
system that runs Rivendell very well with zero excess fat.

There’s a good tutorial on setting up XFCE on CentOS 7 at:

http://jensd.be/125/linux/rhel/install-mate-or-xfce-on-centos-7

CentOS 7 packages for Rivendell can be found at:

http://download.paravelsystems.com/CentOS/7/

Now if I could just get Kickstart to do that reliably…

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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 21, 2016, at 09:18, Andy Higginson  wrote:

> As far as the CentOS version goes, I've just installed that onto a test 
> machine, and when I get time, I'm having a play.  Being used to the regular 
> updates of Ubuntu etc, the one thing that did surprise me was the Kernel 
> version and age of the OS.  However, I suppose that this only really needs to 
> be updated to support major new pieces of hardware, and that stability is the 
> most important thing in the broadcast world.

Correct.  That is the whole philosophy of an ‘Enterprise’ distro in a nutshell. 
 Security fixes from subsequent kernels and userland utils are back ported by 
RedHat and then distributed as sub-point updates, so the system stays ‘current’ 
where it counts while also remaining stable.  This is all-important when 
dealing with large deployments.


>  Is it worth me taking a look at the beta CentOS 7 version of the appliance 
> or should I forget this for now?

Rivendell has actually been working well on CentOS 7 for some time.  The 
Appliance however has been problematical because Kickstart (the system that 
allows automated installations) does not play well with the current UEFI BIOes. 
 

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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 21, 2016, at 08:06, Wayne Merricks  
wrote:

> PPAs etc might not be a bad idea however I recommend holding off for a while, 
> especially if you're planning to use Ubuntu 16.04.  The MySQL changes weren't 
> very Rivendell friendly, a bunch of patches have fixed the worst of these 
> offenders however I guess these won't be in the general release until 
> whatever comes after 2.14.1.

Are these ready for prime time on 16.04?  If so, I’ll start preparing a v2.14.2 
release.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 21, 2016, at 06:25, Cowboy  wrote:

> A consequence of forked open source.

AFAICT, Tryphon has never forked Rivendell, but rather just builds packages for 
a different distro (Debian/Ubuntu rather than RHEL).  I do agree that Alban and 
friends seem to be under radio silence these last few months.  I have not heard 
what (if anything) may be going on.

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Re: [RDD] MySQL / MariaDB

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 21, 2016, at 12:54, Hoggins!  wrote:

> Well, my plan is to switch to Fedora 24, and from what I read on this
> list, it seems that, as it ships with MariaDB as a replacement for
> MySQL, I might run into a lot of trouble... with the additional fact
> that the default storage engine is InnoDB. And I seem to remember that
> this engine is not well supported either by Rivendell.

Just curious: why Fedora and not RHEL 7 (or one of free clones thereof)? FWIW, 
I’ve been developing Rivendell on CentOS 7 for a year now (with MariaDB).  No 
problems found.

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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Rob Landry]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, Brett Patram wrote:


The machine with the usb soundcard, does it also have an onboard audio
interface? If so, I remember way back I ran into a similar issue with a box
that had 3 pci cards in it... when the OS boots it doesn't always list the
hardware in the same order. So my guess may be that its sometimes picking
onboard chipset first and Rivendell goes to it. If you don't use the onboard
audio I would disable it from bios to eliminate that possibility.


I use the onboard interface to feed a cue input on the console, and the 
USB interface for broadcast audio. I created a file 
/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf with options commands specifying the device 
order, so that's not the problem.


The problem is that the USB sound device occasionally disappears, then 
reappears, causing Rivendell not to see it until the Rivendell daemons are 
restarted.



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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[John Stanley]

On Tue, 2016-06-21 at 12:29 -0400, Rob Landry wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, Cowboy wrote:
> 
> > Fred tells me with great regularity that he has had no trouble whatever
> > with CentOS 7 **PROVIDED** you use the XFCE desktop and not Gnome3
> > under any circumstances whatever.
> >
> 
> Yet the CentOS 7 Appliance CD seems to install Gnome3. I have RD running 
> on two machines under Centos 7/Gnome 3; one machine gives no trouble at 
> all, but the other one seems to lose touch with its USB sound card from 
> time to time.

All of those issues are indeed fixable, including Gnome3 (corner issue).

echo "1" > /sys/bus/usb/devices/$USB/power/autosuspend

echo "on" > /sys/bus/usb/devices/$USB/power/level




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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[drew Roberts]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Brett Patram 
wrote:

> The machine with the usb soundcard, does it also have an onboard audio
> interface? If so, I remember way back I ran into a similar issue with a box
> that had 3 pci cards in it... when the OS boots it doesn't always list the
> hardware in the same order. So my guess may be that its sometimes picking
> onboard chipset first and Rivendell goes to it.
>

There are ways to force the order of cards. Or, if you are using jack, you
can specify card's "name" rather than using its number.



> If you don't use the onboard audio I would disable it from bios to
> eliminate that possibility.
>
> Brett Patram, CE
> On Jun 21, 2016 12:29 PM, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, Cowboy wrote:
>
> > Fred tells me with great regularity that he has had no trouble whatever
> > with CentOS 7 **PROVIDED** you use the XFCE desktop and not Gnome3
> > under any circumstances whatever.
> >
>
> Yet the CentOS 7 Appliance CD seems to install Gnome3. I have RD running
> on two machines under Centos 7/Gnome 3; one machine gives no trouble at
> all, but the other one seems to lose touch with its USB sound card from
> time to time.
>
>
> Rob
>
> all the best,

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[RDD] MySQL / MariaDB

[Hoggins!]

Hello,

I'm planning for a huge system upgrade this summer for our Rivendell
installation.
Our NFS and MySQL server runs Fedora 17, a fairly old version now,
shipping all that is necessary for Rivendell to work properly.

Well, my plan is to switch to Fedora 24, and from what I read on this
list, it seems that, as it ships with MariaDB as a replacement for
MySQL, I might run into a lot of trouble... with the additional fact
that the default storage engine is InnoDB. And I seem to remember that
this engine is not well supported either by Rivendell.

Can you confirm that ?

Thanks !

Hoggins!



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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Brett Patram]

The machine with the usb soundcard, does it also have an onboard audio 
interface? If so, I remember way back I ran into a similar issue with a box 
that had 3 pci cards in it... when the OS boots it doesn't always list the 
hardware in the same order. So my guess may be that its sometimes picking 
onboard chipset first and Rivendell goes to it. If you don't use the onboard 
audio I would disable it from bios to eliminate that possibility.

Brett Patram, CE
On Jun 21, 2016 12:29 PM, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, Cowboy wrote:

> Fred tells me with great regularity that he has had no trouble whatever
> with CentOS 7 **PROVIDED** you use the XFCE desktop and not Gnome3
> under any circumstances whatever.
>

Yet the CentOS 7 Appliance CD seems to install Gnome3. I have RD running
on two machines under Centos 7/Gnome 3; one machine gives no trouble at
all, but the other one seems to lose touch with its USB sound card from
time to time.


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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Rob Landry]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, Cowboy wrote:


Fred tells me with great regularity that he has had no trouble whatever
with CentOS 7 **PROVIDED** you use the XFCE desktop and not Gnome3
under any circumstances whatever.



Yet the CentOS 7 Appliance CD seems to install Gnome3. I have RD running 
on two machines under Centos 7/Gnome 3; one machine gives no trouble at 
all, but the other one seems to lose touch with its USB sound card from 
time to time.



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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Cowboy]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 14:18:57 +0100
Andy Higginson  wrote:

> Is it worth me taking a look at the beta CentOS 7 version of the
> appliance or should I forget this for now?

 Fred tells me with great regularity that he has had no trouble whatever
 with CentOS 7 **PROVIDED** you use the XFCE desktop and not Gnome3
 under any circumstances whatever.

 I've found a number of instabilities with various CentOS 7 updates
 that have absolutely nothing to do with Rivendell, such as the native
 supplied e-mail client crashing instantly, but the reality is that
 running e-mail on a professional broadcast machine is truly 
 a fools errand, contraindicated, and if you do that, then you
 really deserve the very predictable consequences.

 I've found that with the various issues on CentOS 7, mostly created
 by me, none have affected Rivendell in any unpredictable way.

 All that said, beta is beta. Yes, we run it here at Radio America
 on some machines, but none that directly affect the revenue stream.

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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[David Klann]

One thing to note about CentOS (and other Red Hat derived distributions)
is that even though the kernel version appears to be quite dated, Red
Hat spends considerable energy back-porting fixes, especially
security-related fixes, into those older kernels. So they're not as
"old" as they appear to be.

On 06/21/2016 08:18 AM, Andy Higginson wrote:
>  On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:25:57 +0100 Cowboy wrote  
> 
>  >  A consequence of forked open source. 
>  >  
>  >  Rivendell on CentOS remains fully supported. 
> 
> I thought that was the beauty of running open source - you are not restricted 
> to a closed OS platform but have the choice what to use.  However, you do 
> raise a valid point.
> 
> As far as the CentOS version goes, I've just installed that onto a test 
> machine, and when I get time, I'm having a play.  Being used to the regular 
> updates of Ubuntu etc, the one thing that did surprise me was the Kernel 
> version and age of the OS.  However, I suppose that this only really needs to 
> be updated to support major new pieces of hardware, and that stability is the 
> most important thing in the broadcast world.  Is it worth me taking a look at 
> the beta CentOS 7 version of the appliance or should I forget this for now?
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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Andy Higginson]

 On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:25:57 +0100 Cowboy wrote  

 >  A consequence of forked open source. 
 >  
 >  Rivendell on CentOS remains fully supported. 

I thought that was the beauty of running open source - you are not restricted 
to a closed OS platform but have the choice what to use.  However, you do raise 
a valid point.

As far as the CentOS version goes, I've just installed that onto a test 
machine, and when I get time, I'm having a play.  Being used to the regular 
updates of Ubuntu etc, the one thing that did surprise me was the Kernel 
version and age of the OS.  However, I suppose that this only really needs to 
be updated to support major new pieces of hardware, and that stability is the 
most important thing in the broadcast world.  Is it worth me taking a look at 
the beta CentOS 7 version of the appliance or should I forget this for now?

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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Andy Higginson]

I must confess that I've not yet delved into the world of PPAs.  However, it is 
something that I hope to get round to looking into at some point soon.  I've 
also read that snappy packages seem to have become a popular idea and taken on 
a life of their own, so as you say, this may be the path to follow.

I terms of supported versions of Ubuntu, I'm sticking with Ubuntu server 14.04 
as it's LTS, and also for the client machines, I'm running Linux Mint Mate 17.3 
as this is again based on Ubuntu 14.04 so there is the support.  I'm going to 
be controversial and say that I don't think it is worth trying to support the 
non LTS versions of Ubuntu in the broadcast environment, as these only having 9 
months of supported updates, will soon be out of support for the OS.

The 16.04 Ubuntu release has not yet inspired me with confidence in terms of 
it's stability.  Installing Kubuntu 16.04 on my laptop caused me no end of 
networking issues for the first month.  There is a long list of posts about 
these, and it was only a couple of weeks ago that the issues were resolved.  I 
also get regular crashes of the graphics rendering engine which I never had 
under 15.10.

Andy


 On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 13:06:29 +0100 Wayne Merricks  wrote  
>Hi, 
> 
>PPAs etc might not be a bad idea however I recommend holding off for a 
>while, especially if you're planning to use Ubuntu 16.04. The MySQL 
>changes weren't very Rivendell friendly, a bunch of patches have fixed 
>the worst of these offenders however I guess these won't be in the 
>general release until whatever comes after 2.14.1. 
> 
>Plus if you're going this route of PPAs on 16.04 it might be worth 
>taking the plunge and creating a snappy package, I know there are some 
>politics involved with snaps but it seems to be getting fairly universal 
>take up on the major distros already. Might be a bit premature for this 
>though, I haven't had a lot of time to look into it. 

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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Wayne Merricks]

Hi,

PPAs etc might not be a bad idea however I recommend holding off for a 
while, especially if you're planning to use Ubuntu 16.04.  The MySQL 
changes weren't very Rivendell friendly, a bunch of patches have fixed 
the worst of these offenders however I guess these won't be in the 
general release until whatever comes after 2.14.1.


Plus if you're going this route of PPAs on 16.04 it might be worth 
taking the plunge and creating a snappy package, I know there are some 
politics involved with snaps but it seems to be getting fairly universal 
take up on the major distros already.  Might be a bit premature for this 
though, I haven't had a lot of time to look into it.


On 2016-06-21 11:00, Andy Higginson wrote:

Hi,

I've been looking at Rivendell for some time now and have it
successfully running on a client / server setup under Ubuntu using 
the

very useful Tryphon repositories (thank you for these).  It seems
however that the Tryphon repositories are falling behind the current
releases.  It also seems that Alban has been rather quiet of late.  
Is

he OK, and are the repositories going to be updated?  Alternatively,
is it time to look at setting up an Ubuntu PPA on launchpad for
Rivendell?

Sorry if this has been discussed before however I've not seen
anything mentioned in any of the archives.

Many Thanks

Andy


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Re: [RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Cowboy]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:00:28 +0100
Andy Higginson  wrote:

> It seems however that the Tryphon repositories are falling behind the
> current releases.  It also seems that Alban has been rather quiet of
> late.  Is he OK, and are the repositories going to be updated?

 A consequence of forked open source.

 Rivendell on CentOS remains fully supported.

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[RDD] Tryphon Debian Repository

[Andy Higginson]

Hi,

I've been looking at Rivendell for some time now and have it successfully 
running on a client / server setup under Ubuntu using the very useful Tryphon 
repositories (thank you for these).  It seems however that the Tryphon 
repositories are falling behind the current releases.  It also seems that Alban 
has been rather quiet of late.  Is he OK, and are the repositories going to be 
updated?  Alternatively, is it time to look at setting up an Ubuntu PPA on 
launchpad for Rivendell? 

Sorry if this has been discussed before however I've not seen anything 
mentioned in any of the archives.

Many Thanks

Andy


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