Position of electrodes ?

1998-05-06 Thread Frank Matzka
Is there a minimum distance from the sides of the glass jar that the electrodes
should be?

And is there an optimum or recommended distance between the electrodes? How
does the seperation distance have any effect on the production of CS?

Thanks in advance...Frank


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Re: Organ detox

1998-05-06 Thread Susan M. Yensen
Hi,

A bit off topic, but who has heard of/had experience with Boswellin.
Sounds to good to be true for a finicky imune system such as mine.  Need
input.

Doing a great job guys!!!

Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer
Susan



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Re: Pityriasis Rosea

1998-05-06 Thread Robert Kramer
Kris,

Try mixing the CS with Aloe to make a pasty formula. Apply a good amount
under a gauze bandage and keep wet with CS. Replace bandage daily with new
formula. Worked for me with nasty cuts and scrapes. Everything seemed to
heal much quicker with less swelling and redness.

Good Luck!

Bob Kramer

Hermes, Kristofer J wrote:

 Hello all

 Does anyone on this list have any experience with Pityriasis Rosea?
 According to Western Medicine, it is likely viral in nature (I'm not
 sure if that is completely accurate, though).  It looks like a skin rash
 that, on occasion, itches.  It lasts about 6-8 weeks, and there is no
 known orthodox cure other than topical creams and UVB treatment which
 are more likely to suppress rather than heal.

 I was recently diagnosed with this malady.  I typically take a
 maintenance dose of commercial 7ppm Colloidal Silver.  I started taking
 slightly more CS, but it has had little to no effect on the rash.  I
 don't think I can take the itching for 8 weeks.  Should I be taking
 substantially more CS?  Are there any other alternative modalities out
 there that have proven effective against this acute disease?

 Thanks in advance!

 Kris

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RE: CISCO

1998-05-06 Thread Dean Woodward
To Cisco: Greetings Mac!

Drop a note to another ex-Gyrene (2d Mar Div, WWII - Tarawa, Saipan, Tinian,
Okinawa).

Semper Fi:

Dean Woodward

-Original Message-
From:   brains [mailto:bra...@senet.com.au]
Sent:   Tuesday, May 05, 1998 7:05 AM
To: silverlist
Subject:CISCO

Ok g'day list ...
Cisco is an exmarine who lives on Guam and had a melanoma which
metastasized to his liver . in most cases a death sentence ...well
he was told he had 6 months to live 2 years ago so he got on to a Rife
unit and used it also began using CS and having overcome his problem and
knowing that there is a lot of people hurting out there he is helping
all those he can with  the Bare/rife unit, colloidal silver and anything
he can use.. they had a Metussis (whooping cough) outbreak on Guam
and that is why Cisco needed to make gallons of CS .. and it saved
lives ..they lost a few but saved alot  better odds than the medicos
(I am biased)he also has been to some of the local islands with his CS
and there is a Rife unit on an island that Cisco arranged for them as
the third world people  don't have access to the facilities that you
and I have ... there is a lot more to Cisco but to tell all would
cause problems for him and some others he helps elsewhere... so he has a
big heart and uses it for good .
  hope this helps some 


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Re: Cisco?

1998-05-06 Thread Susan M. Yensen

Cisco is my friend of a year or so now. He's a great guy to talk with and
good to help out with the questions I have re Rife.  Makes massive amounts
of CS for large things like wells and stuff.  No medical care there,.
Noone could afford it if there were.  Hi Cisco if you see this1

Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer
Susan



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Re: Argyria

1998-05-06 Thread jeinert
 Date:  Wed, 06 May 1998 09:13:32
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 From:  Jade intel...@itis.com
 Subject:   Re: Argyria
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com

 At 04:03 PM 5/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
 I have been using CS since December for Lyme, but lately despite not finding
 any blue people, I am becoming concerned about argyria.  Are there any
 answers?
 
   Not to be picky, since I believe this is a myth (for CS), but I think
 people are supposed to turn grey, not blue. As far as I know, there are no
 blue pigments in people's skin. Smurf's have blue skin; another fairy tale.
 
 

There is a disease that causes the skin to turn blue, but it is not 
Argyria, it has to do with amount of oxygen in the blood (Not 
enough). 
Jim Einert, N.D.
 
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Re: CS nasal spray

1998-05-06 Thread jeinert

  I would welcome any coments concerning this or the rest of my regimen.
 I am very concerned that I not mess-up my liver function.  (I've
 already had my gall bladder removed and the bile duct opened up).
 
 I appreciate the openness of each of you on the list and wish you good
 health!
 
 Ginny
 
Ginny,
You should be using Milk Thistle for your liver. Also, coffee enemas 
will open the bile ducts and liver and let the liver flush. The Milk 
Thistle is very supportive of the liver and has been reported to even 
help rebuild  the liver effected by cirrosis (spelling).
Hope this helps!
Jim Einert, N.D.


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Re: Organ detox

1998-05-06 Thread jeinert
 Date:  Wed, 06 May 1998 10:54:12
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 From:  Jade intel...@itis.com
 Subject:   Re: Organ detox
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com

 A I don't want to get off topic too much, but I don't think I am, as 
 many are having detox problems when the use CS. So I will write a few 
 words about some things you can use to help detox, and maybe keep the 
 herx to a minimum.
 
 Hi Jim,
 
   Thanks a lot. A wealth of information that I hadn't heard previously, 
 that's getting harder  harder to find lately. Very useful  I'm having a
 cup of hot lemonwater right now.
 
Great! Glad it was useful to you!
Jim
 
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Pityriasis Rosea

1998-05-06 Thread Hermes, Kristofer J
Hello all

Does anyone on this list have any experience with Pityriasis Rosea?
According to Western Medicine, it is likely viral in nature (I'm not
sure if that is completely accurate, though).  It looks like a skin rash
that, on occasion, itches.  It lasts about 6-8 weeks, and there is no
known orthodox cure other than topical creams and UVB treatment which
are more likely to suppress rather than heal.

I was recently diagnosed with this malady.  I typically take a
maintenance dose of commercial 7ppm Colloidal Silver.  I started taking
slightly more CS, but it has had little to no effect on the rash.  I
don't think I can take the itching for 8 weeks.  Should I be taking
substantially more CS?  Are there any other alternative modalities out
there that have proven effective against this acute disease?

Thanks in advance!

Kris


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Re: Pityriasis Rosea

1998-05-06 Thread M. G. Devour
Kris wrote:

 Should I be taking substantially more CS?  Are there any other
 alternative modalities out there that have proven effective against
 this acute disease?

You might try soaking a gause pad with CS and applying it to the
area overnight for a while. People have reported curing warts with
repeated applications of CS *topically* (to the skin). I wonder what
would happen if you tried that?

Don't know if it'll work, so let us know if you try it. Hope somebody 
else knows something...

Be well,

Mike

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Re: CS and pets

1998-05-06 Thread Debbie McDonald
Hey all 
  Those of us that use CS on our animals, I had my new dane pup out at
the pool last weekend and he drank the water, it has algae in it
stillG and he developed severe diarrhea, from the water?? Of course
the fear of parvo crossed my mind but I put him on CS right away, gave
him some slippery elm and his next bowel movement was fine, from watery
to fine. Which one did the trick???  Deb
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Re: CS nasal spray

1998-05-06 Thread M. G. Devour
Virginia wrote:
  Has anyone out there used CS as a nasal spray for any length of time?
  (To be truthful, the account of the blue lady has caused me to
  question the wisdom of using the nasal spray approach).

Virginia, if you were using high concentration silver salts as nose 
drops, the way she probably was, *then* you'd have to worry.

Since nobody was making electrolytic CS like ours back in the fifties 
when she was a young woman, one thing you can be sure of is that is 
*not* what turned her blue.

There are two or three levels of defense against the argyria scare. 
The first argument is that the *total amount* of silver you'll 
consume in *gallons* of low concentration CS will not get you to the 
levels required to cause argyria, according to the few reports that 
bother to reveal the actual amount required.

Second, the reported cases of argyria generally involve products in 
which the silver is in *much* different form -- coarsely powdered 
metal, silver salts, other silver compounds -- and *much* higher 
concentrations than you'll make on your kitchen table.

Third, the colloid is readily transported in the blood and lymph,
and removed by the liver to be excreted. Thus it doesn't just hang
around and build up in the tissues, unlike the insoluble silver
salts that actually precipitate particles in the skin and mucous
membranes that are *too large* for the body to deal with. 

Okay, for some of the above I can't point to chapter and verse for
every reference. Many of the argyria cites are not specific about the
source and quantity of silver ingested. The matter of transport and
excretion I've seen *reported* several places, but I haven't seen the
original research reports yet. But the weakest argument above *still* 
suggests you'll be okay.

This is the basis for my own decision to proceed with experimenting 
with CS. Each of us has to satisfy ourselves of it's safety.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CS nasal spray

1998-05-06 Thread Elizabeth King
Hi Ginny and List,
I have used cs nose spray for at least two years.  I started by 
putting some in the Ayre spray I buy; then with the saline solution, I 
was afraid of the combination.  So, when the bottle emptied, I filled 
it with JUST the CS solution I make at home which is usually between 
8 and 18 ppm.  I used ot have chronic sinus infections and have to be 
on repeated rounds of antibiotics; now I just use the cs all the 
time. I havenot been to the doctor for sinus in over two years.
Liz


 From:  Zeigler, Virginia A. x1969 vzeig...@genicom.com
 I am presently using a CS nasal spray (somewhere between 10  20 ppm as
 best we can tell from our TDS-1 tester).  This is part of my regimen to
 fight systemic candida.  I am drinking pau 'd arco tea and taking some
 CS orally (letting it sit in my mouth  throat  awhile first)this in

 The reason for all the assorted approaches is that I have had repeated
 sinus infections and stomach/digestive system problems for about my
 whole adult life and would like to be healthy and free of all the
 prescription meds (some of which have brought about fungal problems).
 
 Has anyone out there used CS as a nasal spray for any length of time?
 (To be truthful, the account of the blue lady has caused me to
 question the wisdom of using the nasal spray approach).
 
 


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Re: insight

1998-05-06 Thread Loretta Hurt
Hi, I am new to the list.  I use colloidal silver and have for a while
now.  I make mine with the beck machine.  I am not sure about the
cooking thing I make mine in distilled water.  About 15 min and
drink a glass of 12 oz...  About the pain you guys are talking about..I
have had the same problem and had a doc here in austin tx whom started
me on this program.  Anyway he put me on msm and I sware buy it.  It has
helped so much with those stabbing pains joint aches etcstomach
problems  its great.  Dont have anything to gain here just a fellow
alternative med user...with multiple health problems including epstein
barr...I also was put on emergen  c by alcor corp by this doc...take one
package in my colloidal silver every am.  Also take germanium and flora
source for natural intestinal flora.  I hope this helps and gosh is this
site busyprobably because those of us on the oxylist recieved your
website and obviously joined itNice to meet you all.
God bless...loretta

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Re: insight

1998-05-06 Thread M. G. Devour
On  6 May 98 at 11:24, Loretta wrote:

  I hope this helps and gosh is this site
 busyprobably because those of us on the oxylist recieved your
 website and obviously joined itNice to meet you all. God
 bless...loretta

Thanks for your input, Loretta. Welcome aboard. I'm sure we're going 
to continue to talk about detox methods and other things that help 
when you're trying to get better. Every bit of input helps.

Be well,

Mike D.

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CS nasal spray

1998-05-06 Thread Zeigler, Virginia A. x1969
Hi, Everyone!
I am presently using a CS nasal spray (somewhere between 10  20 ppm as
best we can tell from our TDS-1 tester).  This is part of my regimen to
fight systemic candida.  I am drinking pau 'd arco tea and taking some
CS orally (letting it sit in my mouth  throat  awhile first)this in
addition to soaking my feet in pau 'd arco and topically applying CS to
hands  feet (mostly for the nails).  I have taken a 1 week course of
Sporanox antifungal prescription drug, to be followed by 2 more courses
with a three week break between each course.  I am planning to start
taking mega zymes and MSM  (naturally occuring sulfur) to help my
stomach, as well as olive leaf capsules which are purported to be anti
fungal.  I am getting some stevia for sweetening.
The reason for all the assorted approaches is that I have had repeated
sinus infections and stomach/digestive system problems for about my
whole adult life and would like to be healthy and free of all the
prescription meds (some of which have brought about fungal problems).

Has anyone out there used CS as a nasal spray for any length of time?
(To be truthful, the account of the blue lady has caused me to
question the wisdom of using the nasal spray approach).

 I would welcome any coments concerning this or the rest of my regimen.
I am very concerned that I not mess-up my liver function.  (I've
already had my gall bladder removed and the bile duct opened up).

I appreciate the openness of each of you on the list and wish you good
health!

Ginny


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Re: insight/herx

1998-05-06 Thread tj garland
Cathryn-- Your possible Lyme  could be  mycoplasma fermentens. See
www.immed.org. Get testeg!God, Gold, and Guns made America great!  Jolly


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chelation therapy

1998-05-06 Thread M. G. Devour
On  4 May 98 at 12:59, Mike Slivinski wrote:

 Hello All, Well just wondering if one should over due the cs and
 start noticing a bluish tint if chelation therapy would remove
 this silver metal or find some thing that is harless to bond
 with silver and eliminate it from the system... I believe the inate
 wisdom of the body and (subtle) bodies to purge itself if the proper
 nutrients (minerals) (chemicals??) are introduced. What do you all
 think or have these thunked thoughts already been posted wayback
 yonder.?? thanks mike slivinski

I've seen chelation therapy mentioned for heavy metal poisoning, and 
wondered why nobody ever talks about it in relation to argyria? Does 
anybody out their have anything to say about it?

The chances of argyria seem pretty remote using properly made CS. But 
the subject of argyria is unavoidable, and more information would 
always help.

Be well,

Mike D.


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Re: source needed

1998-05-06 Thread M. G. Devour
Hi Michael,

I too was fighting recurrent bronchitis for at least a decade.
Getting so run down it's hard to function.

A year ago Christmas time we went to Florida for a couple of weeks.
On the way down my cough and congestion became bacterial and viral
pneumonia. By the time we reached Georgia I couldn't breathe. An
urgent care clinic in Valdosta gave me scrip for antibiotics, cough
syrup, and two inhalers, after x-rays and a nebulizer treatment to
get me breathing again. They said if I wasn't *much* better by
tomorrow I'd *better* check in to a hospital.

Well, all the meds and two weeks lounging around in the sun and
fishing did wonders! But when we got home I started nosing around on
the net, looking for something that I could use for my lungs besides
antibiotics and steroids. I was tired of the endless cycle.

I found out about CS after watching some idiots on the Lyme newsgroup
savage someone peddling for an MLM program. There were well reasoned
rebuttals from people who weren't selling anything. I did a web 
search and came up with enough info to realize the debunkers were as 
much fools as the hucksters.

I requested more info via a post to the newsgroup, and someone
responded with subscription instructions for this list. And the rest,
as they say, is history...

I've had my best year for respiratory health in as long as I can 
remember. I've only had one cold, and it didn't drop into my lungs 
and linger for a month like they always did before.

I applaud your decision to just do it! I believe you've got
nothing to fear, and you're going to like the results you get.

Be well,

Mike D.

On  5 May 98 at 11:33, Mike McNeill wrote:

 I've been fighting bronchitis (no meds, just bulling through) for
 far too many years.  Whenever I do physically strenuous work, I
 develop asthma-like symptoms (family history of it, too).  I
 recently had minor surgery to remove a growth from my face and the
 doc gave me a 5-day super antibiotic.  I noticed that for the next
 week or so, I didn't have any breathing problems.  This has led me
 to think my asthma may be a biological growth in my lungs (with
 the humidity here in Louisiana, moss will grow on *anything*!). 
 That got me to wondering if c-s might not kill what is causing my
 problems.  So...I'm about ready to say just do it! and start
 making my own juice.

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Re: A SILVER STORY

1998-05-06 Thread M. G. Devour
Hello Dameon,

You wrote:

 I'm sure many of you know of me by now. With all the reminding and
 whining I've done about having Cystic Fibrosis, I thought you'd all
 find the following tale encouraging:

You're welcome to remind and whine all you want. Learning from your 
experience can help us all.

 After almost dying 5 months ago, I left the hospital determined
 NOT to check out just yet. A major part of that determination
 rested on the daily usage of CSilver -- whether I felt it doing
 anything or not! ... Yesterday my doctor told me that my last five
 cultures have been free of staph infections... In fact, my last
 culture was clear altogether ... This is almost unheard of in the
 CF world! 

Thank you for having the courage to *try* colloidal silver as part of 
your regimen. I hope it will give you a long-term edge in getting 
back some of your strength.

 So I'm forced to believe at this time that the silver had/has much
 to do with this markedly improved situation. ... No matter, it
 means I don't have to be on several very toxic drugs in high
 dosages that make me almost as sick as the illness itself. And
 that, to me, is like Christmas everyday! 

I'm really happy for you, my friend. We don't know everything there
is to know about CS yet, or the other strategies you applied along
with it, but if it keeps producing stories like yours I'll believe!

Be well, Dameon,

Mike D.


[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@mail.id.net   ]
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Re: Organ detox

1998-05-06 Thread Jade
A   I don't want to get off topic too much, but I don't think I am, as 
many are having detox problems when the use CS. So I will write a few 
words about some things you can use to help detox, and maybe keep the 
herx to a minimum.

Hi Jim,

Thanks a lot. A wealth of information that I hadn't heard previously, 
that's getting harder  harder to find lately. Very useful  I'm having a
cup of hot lemonwater right now.


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Re: (Fwd) Lyme site and argyria

1998-05-06 Thread Jade
At 10:24 AM 5/4/98 -5, you wrote:
Here's the other post in which I question the accuracy of one of the 
most visible argyria related sites. This site showed up *first* 
when I did an infoseek search on the single word argyria.

Please send me your comments? I would like to know how you react to
this article and/or to the above site. 

Hi List,

I use critical thinking. I read the literature. I take into account the
source, the possible biases. The more facts, the higher credibility. The
more unsupported generalizations, the lower credibility. I tend to discount
the majority of testimonials included to support a certain bias, especially
financially motivated. I tend to credit the majority of testimonials,
offered freely in goodwill, such as on the net, taking into account
individual situations.

Finally, I try it myself. I have difficulty crediting any information 
that
I know comes from a biased source, that has no logical support, no
supporting data,  which directly contradicts my own experiences.


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Re: source needed

1998-05-06 Thread Reid Smith
I've been fighting bronchitis (no meds, just bulling through) for far
too many years.  Whenever I do physically strenuous work, I develop
asthma-like symptoms (family history of it, too).  I recently had minor
surgery to remove a growth from my face and the doc gave me a 5-day
super antibiotic.  I noticed that for the next week or so, I didn't
have any breathing problems.  This has led me to think my asthma may be
a biological growth in my lungs (with the humidity here in Louisiana,
moss will grow on *anything*!).  

My son suffered with bronchitis for years and it turned into asthma.
We figured out that he has lymes and was treated with penicillin. Two
days after he got the shot he came in and said Dad I just ran from the
store and I'm not out of breath. Your right about asthma being linked
to biological growth in the lungs. Doctors won't tell you that though.
Take Care 

Reid



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