Re: Provocative thoughts

1998-07-06 Thread Debbie McDonald
Reid Smith wrote:
 Dr. Rife found that the viruses that cause cancer come from
 the E-coli bacteria.  There are two and he called them the BX and BY
 virus. He found that when the E-coli bacteria was in the right medium
 it produced these viruses. When in one medium it produced the BX and when
 in another it produced the BY. These are the two that causes the two
 different types of cancer.
So, does he have frequencies that kill this? Forgive me, I am still very
ignorant about rife. Can you test for it? the BX and BY.  Deb 
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Re: Provocative thoughts

1998-07-06 Thread Debbie McDonald
Charles L. Church wrote:
 
 Hi Debbie,
 
 GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called standardized extract of
 grapefruit, is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against
 yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain
 fog such as myself.
Oh, I have not listened to the excitotoxin url yet. I will tomorrow, my
computer is not set up to hear it:(. I have aspartame poisoning, I guess you
could say it ruined most of my adult life and continues , I guess. I will like
to hear this. Do you think that die off too can cause brain fog? You know some
say that coke(and others?) is putting aspartame in some products and not
labeling it as such, too small an amount or calling it flavoring I think is the
way they are getting around it. They said when Coke was called and asked point
blank, they would not answer the question.  Since I have regressed so much in
the last two months, I will see if CS will help me.  Deb 
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PPM

1998-07-06 Thread Susan M. Yensen
Hello,

How can you ?guess? at the ppm?  A solution I thought was high was low.  Is
this a special gift?

Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer
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GsE

1998-07-06 Thread Susan M. Yensen
GsE=Grapefruit seed Extract

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Susan



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Re: Doctor bashing

1998-07-06 Thread Tom Young
Dameon and listso true, so true!  I worked in a hospital for over a
year and had many occasions to enter the Doctors' lounges to service
internet computers.  I noticed that the bookshelves had more magazines about
money management and investing than on medical science...  certainly tells
us what THEIR priorities are

...Tom

likow...@earthlink.net wrote:

 I can assure you that the thought of helping people comes *AFTER*
 thoughts of money and what they'll be buying and where they'll be going
 in the future.




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Re: to flame

1998-07-06 Thread Douglas McMurtrie
Ah to Hell with it!. I replied to bjs flame in private but a public
attack deserves a public response.

Lots of anger there bjs, particularly for a person who hasn't been to a
doctor in 25 years. What is this, vicarious crankiness? If you want to
discuss, I'll discuss. If you want to go sarcastic, I'm perfectly able
to go there too. 

To answer your questions, such as they were. No I'm not a doctor nor
immediately related to any, although I have several friends who are
doctors.

Yes I am from from this country but I've spent plenty of time in the
third world and I'm damned glad that I've got access to the medical care
here that you seem to hate so much. If you saw firsthand the misery that
exists out there you'd be a lot less quick to dismiss it.

And as to arrogance, arrogance is playing at scientist in your kitchen
lab in your spare time for six months then proposing to tell men and
women who've dedicated their lives to the field that they don't have a
clue what they're talking about. My field is computers. I've been doing
it for over 20 years. You want to come tell me you've invented a new
Super Duper Universal Program that will make any computer it runs on be
100 times faster than the hardware is designed for. Fine, but when we
have that conversation you had better know a bit from a byte to start
with or I just might be a little skeptical. Arrogance. you speak about
the AIDS virus. Who's on the front line exposing themselves to that
virus every day in order to care for the sick and infirm?  You?  No,
It's none other than those banes of human kind, the doctor. Save your
righteous indignation for something you have a right to be indignant
about.

Best wishes,

Doug.

P.S. With apologies to Mike and others, I know this isn't a productive
path. Silence from me for the immediate future.


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Doc stuff and more

1998-07-06 Thread Douglas McMurtrie
Wil, Ted and other list members,

I appreciate all your thoughtful comments and I hope I was not taken to
be holding the position that doctors are infallable. Progress and truth
are perpetually moving targets that all are hopefully striving toward.
There is much to say on this whole issue and it touches on many
disparate but related things. I will try to stay focused. 

My posting was in response to the doctor bashing and generally
negative view of what is called western medicine. Given the marvellous
history of western medicine this strikes me as something akin to
slapping your kid because he only got a B+ on his report card instead of
an A. Room for improvement. Absolutely. But not too shabby nonetheless.  

I have great sympathy for Damien and his problem. My family lost a dear
friend last year to CF. A delightful young man of 21 years with much
promise and we are still saddened by the thought of it. I also have a
close friend, a 40 year old woman, who was saved from the ravages of
breast cancer by the same western medicine that failed our young friend.
I would be the last to deny that we as human beings have much to learn
but we is where we is.

Since beginning to look into CS about six or eight months ago I have
come to believe that there is the POSSIBILITY that this may be a
substance of serious importance that has been overlooked. The majority
of evidence presented on this list has been anecdotal in nature. This is
not to diminish it but the fact remains that this is not the strongest
form of evidence on which to conclude the truth of a thing. Wil, you are
right that it has much value as a feedback mechanism, serving to confirm
and bolster the confidence in conlusions drawn from experiment and
controlled study. An example. A friend of mine was suffering for months
from a sinus problem resulting in headaches, runny nose, and flu-like
symptoms. I gave her some of my homebrewed CS of indeterminate
concentration which she began to take. Within a week all the symptoms
that had plagued her for months were gone. Did the CS cure her? Damned
if I know. Maybe it was an allergy and she changed her shampoo. Maybe
she dropped something from her diet. Maybe it was only coincidence and
her immune system finally just caught up to the task. These are the kind
of problems that are presented with anecdotal evidence.  Well, you might
say, look at all the positive anecdotes presented here. Again, for
drawing scientific conclusions it is no more than suggestive. Maybe
those who try CS and get no results simply walk away without ever
reporting the negative results. It seems to me that much on the list is
asserted as fact e.g. that 650 known pathogens can be killed by CS, or
that CS is both bactericidal and virucidal, or that CS functions by
disrupting the metablic pathways of bacteria, etc, is really nothing
more than opinion, speculation, or the repetition of previously espoused
myth. This sort of talk is fine and fun but does nothing to move CS
closer to having a solid base of test evidence which might intrigue
mainstream researchers enough to take the ball and run with it.

About a week or so ago Bob Wells posted an interesting message about a
friend that put him in contact with a firm that specialized in doing
microbial challenge tests for industry. They were supposed to be quite
capable of determining the minimum inhibitory concentration of a
particular substance. The cost for testing was given at about $400. This
strikes me as exactly the kind of basic science that we should be
pursuing. I suggested at that time that we start a small fund to cover
the cost of such testing and that I would be happy to salt it with $20
to get started.  No response :( . I reopen the challenge now and I will
up the ante. With a positive response from the list I will throw in $50
to jump start it. Don't tell me that you all wouldn't love to see the
results of such a test! I know that I would.

Best to all,

Doug.


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RBC

1998-07-06 Thread Susan M. Yensen
Sorry folks!

The RBC is 6-8 micrometers in diameter which is expressed as um--with a
tail on the u.

Thanks for the correction.  Would have been nice to have a conversation!

Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer
Susan



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More Milk News

1998-07-06 Thread bjs1779
As threatned, I did another high tech test on milk.

I put two four oz. glasses out in the garage on Friday.
I put one teaspoon of CS in one of them. No signs of any
smell or curlding as of this morning(Monday). The other untreated
milk was FOUL smelling and curlded. So for the hell of it,
I put one oz of the CS treated milk in the bad stuff.
As of now, there is no smell in the bad one either. Tempreture
around 80 degrees ambient.

My
conclusion is that the CS is either a good antibacterial agent or
one hell of a deodorant. Anybody tested their CS yet?
bjs


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TDS - 1 - My results

1998-07-06 Thread clogic
For those who are comparing TDS notes, here are my results:

Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL USA
Room temp: 81 F
Tap water: 121 ppm
Filtered water: 131 ppm (after 1 min of running water)
Sprinkler well water: 184 ppm
Office tap water (Miami): 175 ppm
5 gallon Zepherhills (sp?): 152 ppm
Distilled water (Clear Springs, Steam distillation): 1 ppm
CS: 8 ppm (old batch, will update after I can recreate same ppm after multiple 
tries)

Sean



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Re: Doctor bashing

1998-07-06 Thread likowski
In my very first response to this subject I used the term scum,
including *most* doctors into that catagory. That was wrong. Douglas
McMurtrie, Mike D and others have made good points to the contrary in
their defense. 98% of all doctors are not scum, but I think the
percentage of those in the medical field that are driven by ego and
selfish interests (monetary) are fair higher than just a few: Probably
more in the 50-75% range. If that weren't so, you'd be seeing a lot more
of them working for a lot less money and/or even going on missions to
other countries to work with devastated people who have literally
nothing. But instead you see them charging $100 (or more) for a
15-minute office visit and driving very nice cars and living in very
nice homes and taking very nice vacations (and many only work 4 or 5
hours a day, too); hardly suffering for their cause to help
humanity, in my opinion. Not to drag this thing out any longer because
it's getting really boring, but having been in the hospital more times
than I care to remember since the age of 4, and being up at all hours
while there, and getting to know MANY doctors and interns alike, and
listening to their conversations (sometimes without them realizing it),
I can assure you that the thought of helping people comes *AFTER*
thoughts of money and what they'll be buying and where they'll be going
in the future. Sorry to step on any toes here, but this is pure and
honest observation; I have *nothing* to gain by making such statements.
In fact, in a sense, I'm biting the hand that feeds me because I could
have another lung collapse and be under their complete control tomorrow!
But the truth is the truth. My own cousin is a surgeon who's been
varifying this truth for the past 10 years to me with *many* stories
of operations that don't need to be done and wrong drugs that are
routinely given and other negligences that are swept under the rug
continually. I personally TWICE IN THE PAST YEAR have had to prove
to/remind my doctor of the drug mistakes he was making with me(!), but
he wasn't paid any less for doing a bad job! They are, for the most
part, untouchable -- and they know it. And *this* is where any evil
inherent in the situation ferments (in my opinion). Even *if* they *do*
get prosecuted for some mishap, they just pack up and move to another
state and start a practice there! Amazingly, *VERY* few ever actually
lose their license! By the way: My cousin is sick of it all and is
planning on leaving the medical field; he's currently writing a book on
The Bible.

See ya!

Dameon


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Re: Silver?..Are you sure?

1998-07-06 Thread Paul Bass
You have an excellent point. The things I mentioned as alternatives must be
purchased. I agree.
-Original Message-
From: John and Valerie Surgeon surg...@olympus.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Silver?..Are you sure?


At 07:51 PM 7/5/98 -, you wrote:
Hi all,
 I have been here for a while. I was all for silver a first. I am not now.
I owe an explanation.
 (1) Silver is questionable in it's effectiveness.
 (2)Silver may have after effects...(turning blue)...I don't want itDo
you?
 (3) There are better alternatives.olive leaf extract...grapefruit
seed extract..no side effects!!!
 Thats it! My two cents worth. I suspect I will be flamed for this. That's
okay..I enjoy it.
 Hope you read this far,
Paul


Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\Silver.htm

I'M CHECKING OUT SILVER, ENERGY MEDICINE, AND OXYGEN THERAPY FROM A
SURVIVAL STANDPOINT.  EVERY ALTERNATIVE HERBAL REMEDY CAN BE STOPPED BY THE
FEDS.  HOW ARE THEY GONNA STOP SOMEONE WITH SOME 9 VOLT BATTERIES AND
SILVER COINS? HOW CAN THEY STOP US FROM GETTING AN AQUARIUM OZONATOR AND
MAKING OUR OWN OZONE ENRICHED WATER?  REMEMBER, WHEN 9 VOLT BATTERIES ARE
OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE 9 VOLT BATTERIES.


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Re: Silver?..Are you sure?

1998-07-06 Thread It's not me
Paul,

And your purpose for telling us all this is what?  Trolling for a fight or 
trying to sell us some Olive Leaf or Grapefruit Seed Extract?  Your post is a 
bit like going to mass and standing up in the middle of the service and yelling 
Catholicism sucks.
-Original Message-
From: W P BASS skippe...@prodigy.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 7:02 PM
Subject: Silver?..Are you sure?


Hi all,
 I have been here for a while. I was all for silver a first. I am not now. 
I owe an explanation. 
 (1) Silver is questionable in it's effectiveness.
 (2)Silver may have after effects...(turning blue)...I don't want itDo 
you?
 (3) There are better alternatives.olive leaf extract...grapefruit seed 
extract..no side effects!!!
 Thats it! My two cents worth. I suspect I will be flamed for this. That's 
okay..I enjoy it.
 Hope you read this far,
Paul
 


Re: Silver?..Are you sure?

1998-07-06 Thread Paul Bass
You have a point. We don't have the ability to make GSE and olive trees
won't grow everywhere.
-Original Message-
From: John and Valerie Surgeon surg...@olympus.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Silver?..Are you sure?


At 07:51 PM 7/5/98 -, you wrote:
Hi all,
 I have been here for a while. I was all for silver a first. I am not now.
I owe an explanation.
 (1) Silver is questionable in it's effectiveness.
 (2)Silver may have after effects...(turning blue)...I don't want itDo
you?
 (3) There are better alternatives.olive leaf extract...grapefruit
seed extract..no side effects!!!
 Thats it! My two cents worth. I suspect I will be flamed for this. That's
okay..I enjoy it.
 Hope you read this far,
Paul


Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\Silver.htm

I'M CHECKING OUT SILVER, ENERGY MEDICINE, AND OXYGEN THERAPY FROM A
SURVIVAL STANDPOINT.  EVERY ALTERNATIVE HERBAL REMEDY CAN BE STOPPED BY THE
FEDS.  HOW ARE THEY GONNA STOP SOMEONE WITH SOME 9 VOLT BATTERIES AND
SILVER COINS? HOW CAN THEY STOP US FROM GETTING AN AQUARIUM OZONATOR AND
MAKING OUR OWN OZONE ENRICHED WATER?  REMEMBER, WHEN 9 VOLT BATTERIES ARE
OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE 9 VOLT BATTERIES.


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Re: Silver?..Are you sure?

1998-07-06 Thread Douglas Haack
Paul,
Stick around and publish your alternative thoughts. Don't comply if you
feel you mustn't.

We need all your thoughts, just keep it friendly and practical.

Take care!



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Re: Good Doctors Plumbers !!

1998-07-06 Thread Douglas Haack
There are great plumbers and there are I'm sure great doctors. I have a
good personal friend who is a doctor, what we call a general
practitioner, who has a very successful practice. Sure, he makes a heap
of money, much more than I do working for myself.

He is dedicated and I find his medical skils and his attitude to his
patients beyond reproach. I use him as my own personal medico.

On the other hand he has no real interest in CS or Oxygen therapies etc
etc. He recently had to attend his father-in-law who was diagnosed with
cancer. Ironically this elderly in-law was a long time practising
chinese herbal doctor. Unable to cure himself the elder came to Sydney
to let the younger western trained medico attend him. Sydney has as much
start-of-the-art medical technology as most other large centres of the
western world.

The old herbalist has died in the meantime, we can safely assume that my
friend did everything he would normally do, and in this case more. I
don't believe he tried any alternatives, a large part of the problem was
that the older hebalist had let his condition go untreated for far too
long.

I don't believe that this medico is in any way a bad person or inferior
being. He is a product of his training and I must admire and admit that
the training is very rigorous and one has to be interlectually very
cabable, have a near photographic memory and very dedicated to complete
one's medical course and the first years of initial hospital slavery
that young interns are subjected to both here and in the US.

Sure I can criticise him and say that he is more focussed on the dollar.
If he halved his patient load and used the saved time in seeking and
furthering his medical knowledge in the othodox and alternative area he
would be to say the least, an unusual person, probably almost a saintly
practitioner.

We have a local magazine here that is for the Sceptics. A group of so
called open-minded individuals who need everything ablsolutely proven
to them in a scientific manner. etc etc. I per chance was given their
latest magizine. They had arranged for a small group of patients to
vist a range of alternative health practitioners. One modality was
Iridology, that practice of diagnosing ones state of health from the
colour patterns and flecks visible in the iris of the eyes.

One practitioner their patient visited, was one I had met and had some
knowledge about, so I took some notice of the published article.
Essentially the iridologist went thru his routine which lasted some
15/20 minutes, charged $45, taking colour photos of the eye patterns,
made a whole lot of statements that could be take a number ways.
Diagnosed problems that the patient had no symptoms or awareness of and
gererally came across in a very non precise medical or healthful manner.
The magazine of course gave him the general thumbs down and going by the
general tenor of the article the practitioner did'nt deserve much more.

Here in Sydney anybody can hang out their shingle and call themselves an
alternative health person etc etc. In fact I know two individuals who,
possibly out of boredom, did a massage course and now after some two or
three years have established themselves, one as an Iridologist and the
other as Naturopath. The iridologist whom I know well, has a pleasant
and sympthetic way about her and there she is positioning hereself as a
health expert. One can only hope they don't do any harm. And generally,
one must be, as a consumer in all things, Be Aware and vigilant of the
the good and bad plumbers and doctors.

I do believe that every body has the right to say and do as they so
please - as long as they do no apparent harm. Yes, I do defend your
rights to be and to say whatever you please. Within the lawful limits.

I have become a dedicated CS consumer and thank the web for this
knowledge and will continue to take my own health power back and make my
own decisions. Always probing for the best knowledge and treatments.

When necessary I will run as fast as I can to the medical profession, if
I can benefit by their magic bullets and their quick fixes, if that's
what's needed for that particular problem.

Douglas Haack, syney Oz



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Re: Provocative thoughts

1998-07-06 Thread Reid Smith
Could I suggest the unthinkable as a POSSIBILITY? Not saying it is
true just a mere thought
Could G.S.E.  actually BE an excitotoxin seeing as it causes the brain
fog?
Secondly, I've been meaning to suggest to the list another WILD
possibility... please forgive me if I seem rustic, but could the removal
of silver and gold coin from circulation be a major contributing factor
the onset of so many modern diseases? Mankind have used these for money,
(and for very good reason), from creation till now, and now all these
wierd diseases? I know that with WHO and nice organizations of similar
treachery we need not necessarily have this as a cause, but is it
possible?

   It's very possible that it added to the amount of disease there is 
now. Some other things to consider. Doctors don't check for diseases 
anymore. Not only that they rely on tests like the alisa, gunderson, 
wester blot and PCR that are as reliable as flipping a coin. AND
that's the only tests that doctors rely on now. If they run one 
of thoses tests then find nothing it's PROZAC TIME. 

   Something that I posted  to the Rife list a few days ago you should
read also. Dr. Rife found that the viruses that cause cancer come from
the E-coli bacteria.  There are two and he called them the BX and BY 
virus. He found that when the E-coli bacteria was in the right medium
it produced these viruses. When in one medium it produced the BX and when
in another it produced the BY. These are the two that causes the two
different types of cancer.

   Now I'm sure you've all seen the E-coli scares that have happened
in the past year or so. This wasn't a problem years ago because they
used to cure their meat with salt in a smoke house. My grandfather 
even had one. Salt will kill almost any bacteria-virus that it comes 
in contact with. 

   Something else to think about. When the E-coli is in the right
medium to produce these viruses it doesn't die it just keeps on 
producing. Kinda like a mother having childern or a virus factory. 
Not only that it keeps on  multiplying. Now they use chemo and other 
things to try and control the viruses that it produces but they never 
use antobotics to get rid of the virus factorys.
 




Take Care 

Reid



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OT: Brain fog anecdotes

1998-07-06 Thread Tom Young
Just a personal note...
About 3 years ago, I also had a form of brain fog and very low energy. About
that time I first read Hulda Clarks book Cure for All Diseases and did some
of her liver flushes. My energy and awareness greatly improved and I highly
recommend the procedure.

...Tom



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Re: psoriasis

1998-07-06 Thread Charles L. Church
BTW  Yellow dock grows everywhere, and its not too late to harvest
it, thought it is all brown and dead on top. Pull it up, and make a tea
(boil for about 20 minutes) using about 1-2 tablespoons. The amount in a
capsule is not likely to do you much good unless you take a heap of
them.

Charles

Debbie McDonald wrote:

 Once again, delete if not interested. I did not note who was using
 remedies so
 sending to list.

   Has anyone used yellowdock tea for psoriasis..thanks.
  
  No, but I am taking herb capsules which contain yellow dock.  Just
  started taking them a week ago and am noticing positive reduction of
 my
  red patches.  I am also applying aloe vera gel topically twice a day

  which dramatically reduces itching and promotes healing.
 
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Re: another site

1998-07-06 Thread Charles L. Church
While 5-HTP is apparently some great stuff, beware as most of it has
stearic acid or magnesium stearate in it, which I have been told is very
hard on the immune system. If anyone on the list has any knowledge about
the stearic acid thing, I'd appreciate more understanding.

Charles

Debbie McDonald wrote:

 In case this helps any of us, (delete if not interested). I only read
 part of
 the book excerpt on 5-htp and it was very interesting. It included
 sections on
 CFS, Depression, etc . Take a look.

  http://www.iherb.com

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Re: Silver?..Are you sure?

1998-07-06 Thread John and Valerie Surgeon
At 07:51 PM 7/5/98 -, you wrote:
Hi all,
 I have been here for a while. I was all for silver a first. I am not now.
I owe an explanation. 
 (1) Silver is questionable in it's effectiveness.
 (2)Silver may have after effects...(turning blue)...I don't want itDo
you?
 (3) There are better alternatives.olive leaf extract...grapefruit
seed extract..no side effects!!!
 Thats it! My two cents worth. I suspect I will be flamed for this. That's
okay..I enjoy it.
 Hope you read this far,
Paul


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I'M CHECKING OUT SILVER, ENERGY MEDICINE, AND OXYGEN THERAPY FROM A
SURVIVAL STANDPOINT.  EVERY ALTERNATIVE HERBAL REMEDY CAN BE STOPPED BY THE
FEDS.  HOW ARE THEY GONNA STOP SOMEONE WITH SOME 9 VOLT BATTERIES AND
SILVER COINS? HOW CAN THEY STOP US FROM GETTING AN AQUARIUM OZONATOR AND
MAKING OUR OWN OZONE ENRICHED WATER?  REMEMBER, WHEN 9 VOLT BATTERIES ARE
OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE 9 VOLT BATTERIES.


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