Re: CS>Retinal Degeneration
Hi Ole Bob, On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:02:48 -0500, "Robert L. Berger" wrote: >Dr Merrill Allen reports retinal regeneration. His protocol is one >electrode in the hand and the other on an eye lid pad. The procedure is >2.5 min on the upper lid and 2.5 min on the lower lid. Upper and lower lids? Umm, exactly which species is this used on. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Speaking of salts and such
Hi Tim, On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:01:52 -0400, "Tim Eastman" wrote: >I have two questions; >1.) the 'recipe' calls for a 1/4 tsp of SEA salt (no table salt) NO!!! NO SALT! Even though pure water isn't supposed to conduct -- it does. (Water is funny in many different ways that don't follow the rules of other substances -- notice that water expands as it solidifies, while practically all other substances compress.) >2.) This is a Radio Shack type question. What kind of 'transformer' >[adapter?] do I ask for at Radio shack which will take the place of three >9volt batteries for my CS batches. Radio Shack has a wall-wart that's switchable between 13.5 and 30 volts. The 30 volt setting is fine for making CS. (The 13.5 volt setting is great for a Clark Zapper.) -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Retinal Degeneration
Would the Beck unit be considered a glorified TENS unit also? Would this type of unit increase circulation to the eye area or kill parasites that are causing problems in the area? I did wear the TENS unit after back surgery for pain control and always had extra energy when it was attached to my spine but noone would believe me. This was in 1982 and considered experimental. Interesting! Sincerely, Janet -Original Message- From: Robert L. Berger To: silver-list Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: CS>Retinal Degeneration >Hi Ya'all; > >Last week someone asked about macular degeneration. It took a while but >I found the article by Dr David C. Williams in his "Alternatives" issue >Vol.8, No.12 June 2000 and it refered me back to issueVol.8,No.9 March >2000. > >They use the fancy name of "TENS" Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve >Stiomulator. All it is, is a Clark zapper running at 9 volts with 200 >micro amp output at 10 hz. The medical unit sells for $150.00 !!! > >Dr Merrill Allen reports retinal regeneration. His protocol is one >electrode in the hand and the other on an eye lid pad. The procedure is >2.5 min on the upper lid and 2.5 min on the lower lid. > >If interested contact Mountain Home Publishing,at 1201 Seven Locks Rd, >Rockville, MD 20854. > >"Ole Bob" > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Immunization OT
Hello Jeannine & folks, My hat off to you Jeannine! You are a brave person. Being right is beside the point. You are challenging a massive system. Congratulations. For what it is worth: As a statistician I can say that there is absolutely no empirical evidence for the efficacy of vaccination at all, rather evidence to its exceptional dangers. John - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:14 AM Subject: CS>Immunization OT > Ok List; > > Re: Immunization OT > it appears to be a victory; when I handed the school the forms today... they > didn't even challenge me. seems others may have already challenged my local > system.. they appeared familiar with the forms. End of story for now. > > Jeannine > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Speaking of salts and such
Tim Eastman wrote: > Hi folks. > > I know we have had discussion of salts here quite recently but I paid it no > mind until some friends of mine gave me some instructions for making a > generator and the ensuing recipe for CS. > > I have two questions; > 1.) the 'recipe' calls for a 1/4 tsp of SEA salt (no table salt) for an 8oz > batch of CS to "start" the conductance. I have read on-list to not use ANY > salt including sea salt because salts produce nitrates (did I get that > right?) and the sea salt is usually questionable in purity. So that first > question is this - do I use the 1/4tsp SEA salt per 8oz Distilled water for > conductance or just go strait D-water? No, do not add any salt. If you want better conduction to start then seed it with a little of the previous batch's CS. Regular salt is bad, it can cause the production of silver chloride, but sea salt is worse, it has a lot of other salts in it such as sodium fluoride, which could produce silver fluoride, a deadly poison. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Retinal Degeneration
Hi Ya'all; Last week someone asked about macular degeneration. It took a while but I found the article by Dr David C. Williams in his "Alternatives" issue Vol.8, No.12 June 2000 and it refered me back to issueVol.8,No.9 March 2000. They use the fancy name of "TENS" Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stiomulator. All it is, is a Clark zapper running at 9 volts with 200 micro amp output at 10 hz. The medical unit sells for $150.00 !!! Dr Merrill Allen reports retinal regeneration. His protocol is one electrode in the hand and the other on an eye lid pad. The procedure is 2.5 min on the upper lid and 2.5 min on the lower lid. If interested contact Mountain Home Publishing,at 1201 Seven Locks Rd, Rockville, MD 20854. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Speaking of salts and such
Hi folks. I know we have had discussion of salts here quite recently but I paid it no mind until some friends of mine gave me some instructions for making a generator and the ensuing recipe for CS. I have two questions; 1.) the 'recipe' calls for a 1/4 tsp of SEA salt (no table salt) for an 8oz batch of CS to "start" the conductance. I have read on-list to not use ANY salt including sea salt because salts produce nitrates (did I get that right?) and the sea salt is usually questionable in purity. So that first question is this - do I use the 1/4tsp SEA salt per 8oz Distilled water for conductance or just go strait D-water? 2.) This is a Radio Shack type question. What kind of 'transformer' [adapter?] do I ask for at Radio shack which will take the place of three 9volt batteries for my CS batches. I know we've gone through these questions before - but thanks in advance for helping me out. Tim Eastman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>C/S TESTING " CANADIAN SOURCE "
Grant; There is no real customs problem. Just label it as a gift. I have done other Canadian CS testing. "Ole Bob: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
blue_eyes If this would give us a more accurate size of particles and give us a reference of how strong the CS is, I definitely would have an interest in the proposition, and probably many other readers would also have. However, I am not certain at this stage that the proposition would do that, unless additional information is provided to us as to how it would do that. Regards Gaston = - Original Message - From: "blue_eyes" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:37 AM Subject: Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight] > Hi "Ole Bob", > > Yes, I understand the need for a nice coherent beam if a > person is going to eyeball it for the Tyndall effect. > > I was thinking more along the lines of having red,green and blue > LEDs on one side of the cell and light sensors on the other side to > measure the light transmission changes for each wavelength. > > Based on some of the thoughts expressed on this list,it seems > we would expect to see changes in blue first,then green and > finally,red. Perhaps one might wish to stop brewing when a > certain reading in green or red is reached. > > This might give a qualitative spin on the conductivity readings. > Plotting conductivity versus Tyndall readings for a brewing run > might show something interesting. > > I have been keeping samples of each batch to check conductivity > and Tyndall effect over time as I seek to stabilize my process > and if this idea is workable, I could also check to see if there > are shifts in wavelength readings over time. If there is a shift > to higher readings in the green and red wavelengths,and the blue > readings go down, this might tell us something about the changes > in particle size as related to storage containers,light exposure, > etc. > > Just thinking out loud, does anyone else have an interest in this > sort of thing? > > David > --- > > "Robert L. Berger" wrote: > > > > Hi Blue eyes; > > > > One needs laser diodes for this purpose and they come in 635 to 685 nanometers which is in the IR zone. NEC manufacture on page > > 54 of Mouser cat. > > > > I t might be possilbe to rig up a set of optics to focus the beam from a standard diode but it wont be simple. > > > > So the hunt is still one for other color laser diodes. > > > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > s > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- > E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net > Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 > ICQ#... 44960928 > > > _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html >
CS>C/S TESTING " CANADIAN SOURCE "
Still looking for a " Canadian " source of lab testing for c/s.. Find it hard to believe there were no Canadian responses last time.??? Grant.. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>cancer
In a message dated 08/09/2000 6:44:02 AM Romance Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: << I am very interested in Beck's 4 point protocol for cancer (and other diseases). I am going to try to cure my lyme with it. The protocol is as follows: 1. Blood electrification 2. Colloidal silver 3. Magnetic pulser 4. Ozonated water Here are two sites that have more detail (they may not be the best sources, but they will send you in the right direction): http://www.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/cancerremissions.htm http://www.toolsforhealing.com/Health/Beck/Beck_Info.htm One of our list members survived cancer. He is very inspirational. Here is his site (worth taking a look at!). He goes into the most important points in healing among many other things: http://www.betterwayhealth.com/cancer-survivor.asp I just recently read an endorsement of Carnivora, which is made from Venus Fly Trap: http://www.alphazee.com/v/venus.html Willard Water site: http://www.dr-willardswater.com/sixty.html Cayenne Pepper (opens vessels to get treatments to the deep tissues) http://home.online.no/~dusan/books/herbal_cayenne1.html Bragg's live foods: http://www.bragg.com/lfpset.html Cancer cures (which work for other illnesses, too): http://www.worldwithoutcancer.com/faq.html http://www.retired-americans.com/cancer-1.html Colostrum and Transfer Factor http://www.supercolostrum.com/colostrum/Information/information2.htm >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
One must not confuse the tyndall with the absorption curve for CS. They tyndall drops off rapidly with decreasing particle size, and with increasing wavelength. Thus a blue beam will show a great deal more tyndall than a red beam (that is why the sky and skim milk appear blue). But I think the ratio between the intensities of the different colors will remain essentially the same, independent of particle size. I will have to pull out my old papers and find the actual equations to be sure. On the other hand, the aborption curve for particles is rather sharp for any one size, and starts at uv for very small particles, and the wavelength decreases with increasing particle size moving into blue (looks yellow), green (looks orange), yellow (looks red), orange (looks green), red (looks blue) and infrared (back to colorless again). So the tyndall is a totally different effect than the apparent color. Marshall blue_eyes wrote: > Hi "Ole Bob", > > Yes, I understand the need for a nice coherent beam if a > person is going to eyeball it for the Tyndall effect. > > I was thinking more along the lines of having red,green and blue > LEDs on one side of the cell and light sensors on the other side to > measure the light transmission changes for each wavelength. > > Based on some of the thoughts expressed on this list,it seems > we would expect to see changes in blue first,then green and > finally,red. Perhaps one might wish to stop brewing when a > certain reading in green or red is reached. > > This might give a qualitative spin on the conductivity readings. > Plotting conductivity versus Tyndall readings for a brewing run > might show something interesting. > > I have been keeping samples of each batch to check conductivity > and Tyndall effect over time as I seek to stabilize my process > and if this idea is workable, I could also check to see if there > are shifts in wavelength readings over time. If there is a shift > to higher readings in the green and red wavelengths,and the blue > readings go down, this might tell us something about the changes > in particle size as related to storage containers,light exposure, > etc. > > Just thinking out loud, does anyone else have an interest in this > sort of thing? > > David > --- > > "Robert L. Berger" wrote: > > > > Hi Blue eyes; > > > > One needs laser diodes for this purpose and they come in 635 to 685 > > nanometers which is in the IR zone. NEC manufacture on page > > 54 of Mouser cat. > > > > I t might be possilbe to rig up a set of optics to focus the beam from a > > standard diode but it wont be simple. > > > > So the hunt is still one for other color laser diodes. > > > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > s > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- > E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net > Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 > ICQ#... 44960928 > > _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
I just wanted to tell someone: we have a beautiful T.E. in our CS. We used an ordinary flashlight, but in the dark, which I hadn't done before. On 9 Aug 2000, at 16:37, blue_eyes wrote: > Yes, I understand the need for a nice > coherent beam if a person is going to eyeball > it for the Tyndall effect. Kind Regards Carol -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Immunization OT
Ok List; Re: Immunization OT it appears to be a victory; when I handed the school the forms today... they didn't even challenge me. seems others may have already challenged my local system.. they appeared familiar with the forms. End of story for now. Jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #593
In a message dated 8/9/00 8:09:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: << your God, and if that is what this list is all about, I think that other Gods should be given equal time. Allah is the Arabian Supreme Being, "El" or the Hebrew "Eli". He is the Creator God of ancient Arabia who was seen as the father and king of the other gods. When Muhammad speaks of Allah, there is no god but He. Allah is the All-high, the All-glorious Creator and Guardian over everything. Allah rewards and punishes, He is omniscient, universal and all powerful. In essence, it is the submission to the will of Allah that makes Islam what it is. There is no intermediary with man and Allah, one approaches Allah directly in prayer and in the reciting of the Quran. Thank you, and praise Allah Salman al-`Awdah >> Why don't we all junp in here and just forget what the list is all about??? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, blue_eyes wrote: > I just checked the Mouser Electronics catalogue (on compact disk) > and found "regular" LEDs that are blue (430nm), green (565nm), > yellow (585nm) and red (660nm). Of course, these put out a beam of light anywhere from 36 to 120 degrees wide, not the 1/2" circle at 50 feet spot of a laser pointer so an optical system of some sort would have to be added. John -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Jaguar Enterprises
I just received this from Michael Forrest from Jaguar Enterprises if anyone is interested. Hello there The federal trade commission is trying to bust Jaguar Enterprises for "unfair and deceptive acts or practices in violation of sections 5 and 12 of the FTC Act". They have requested many things, among them being support for the health claims being made for my devices. If you have experienced any help or cures from my devices then please email me a report of this so I can present it to them. Even though there is no risk to you, you may request me to leave off your name from your report. In advance I thank you for this and also for any prayers you may say on my behalf. take care __ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
Hi "Ole Bob", Yes, I understand the need for a nice coherent beam if a person is going to eyeball it for the Tyndall effect. I was thinking more along the lines of having red,green and blue LEDs on one side of the cell and light sensors on the other side to measure the light transmission changes for each wavelength. Based on some of the thoughts expressed on this list,it seems we would expect to see changes in blue first,then green and finally,red. Perhaps one might wish to stop brewing when a certain reading in green or red is reached. This might give a qualitative spin on the conductivity readings. Plotting conductivity versus Tyndall readings for a brewing run might show something interesting. I have been keeping samples of each batch to check conductivity and Tyndall effect over time as I seek to stabilize my process and if this idea is workable, I could also check to see if there are shifts in wavelength readings over time. If there is a shift to higher readings in the green and red wavelengths,and the blue readings go down, this might tell us something about the changes in particle size as related to storage containers,light exposure, etc. Just thinking out loud, does anyone else have an interest in this sort of thing? David --- "Robert L. Berger" wrote: > > Hi Blue eyes; > > One needs laser diodes for this purpose and they come in 635 to 685 > nanometers which is in the IR zone. NEC manufacture on page > 54 of Mouser cat. > > I t might be possilbe to rig up a set of optics to focus the beam from a > standard diode but it wont be simple. > > So the hunt is still one for other color laser diodes. > > "Ole Bob" > > > s > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 ICQ#... 44960928 _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
RE: CS>hiv
Hi Marshall, " I still say that the Clark Zapper and Beck units both work." Any comment on Croft? [Putting aside the orgone bit] Thanks in advance. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 4:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>hiv "Dean T. Miller" wrote: > Hi Marshall, > > >I am > >pretty sure the Beck unit also limits to 10 Ma, so it would in effect have > >the > >same voltage as the Clark unit when attached. > > I wish that were true, but it's not. The beck unit (the DC blood > electrifier) uses 30 to 35 volts across the electrodes -- WHEN > ATTACHED! That's probably okay because the current should still be > under 1 mA -- but it's close to the limit. > I just checked with a manufacturer of the Beck device and their web page says that the device puts out 27 volts and is current limited to 100 microamps into the body resistance of approximately 2000 ohms. That works out to a voltage of .2 volts across the electrodes. Since the Beck device uses electrodes smaller than I use with Clark unit, the resistance sounds just about right. The Beck patent at http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US05139684__&s_detd=1#detd says: "Recent experiments have proven that exposure to electric fields induced by supply voltages of 2-4 volts produces electric current flow through blood of the order of 1 to 100 microamperes. " So Beck's patent says that they are only getting 2 to 4 volts for their 100 microamps. With the smaller electrodes that fits right in with my measurements with the zapper. So with the Beck you get .1 mA at 2 to 4 volts and with the Clark you get 5 mA at 2 to 4 volts. It appears to me that the Clark unit is putting out more than the Beck unit, not the other way around. Starting voltage is irrelevent when you current limit, what is important is the voltage and current when fully loaded. 27 Volts without a current limit would be deadly. I have heard of people getting killed off a 12 volt car battery since the body provides a remarkably low resistance when wet or sweaty. I still say that the Clark Zapper and Beck units both work. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction
Allah is Arab for YHVH in Hebrew,,Jehovah and Lord in English and whatever in other tongues..same GOD,, imho - Original Message - From: "Salman al-'Awdah" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 8:52 AM Subject: CS>Introduction | | I have been, as you say, "lurking", and have been | fascinated by the wonderful cures you have been able | to report. I have always been skeptical of Western | medicine and Western doctors. It is good to be able | to read about alternatives that work. Unfortunately, | there seems to be an abundance of letters that discuss | your God, and if that is what this list is all about, | I think that other Gods should be given equal time. | | Allah is the Arabian Supreme Being, "El" or the Hebrew | "Eli". He is the Creator God of ancient Arabia who was | seen as the father and king of the other gods. When | Muhammad speaks of Allah, there is no god but He. | Allah is the All-high, the All-glorious Creator and | Guardian over everything. Allah rewards and punishes, | He is omniscient, universal and all powerful. In | essence, it is the submission to the will of Allah | that makes Islam what it is. There is no intermediary | with man and Allah, one approaches Allah directly in | prayer and in the reciting of the Quran. | | Thank you, and praise Allah | | Salman al-`Awdah | | __ | Do You Yahoo!? | Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. | http://invites.yahoo.com/ | | | -- | The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. | | To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: | silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com | with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. | | To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | List maintainer: Mike Devour |
Re: CS>hiv
"Dean T. Miller" wrote: > Hi Marshall, > > >I am > >pretty sure the Beck unit also limits to 10 Ma, so it would in effect have > >the > >same voltage as the Clark unit when attached. > > I wish that were true, but it's not. The beck unit (the DC blood > electrifier) uses 30 to 35 volts across the electrodes -- WHEN > ATTACHED! That's probably okay because the current should still be > under 1 mA -- but it's close to the limit. > I just checked with a manufacturer of the Beck device and their web page says that the device puts out 27 volts and is current limited to 100 microamps into the body resistance of approximately 2000 ohms. That works out to a voltage of .2 volts across the electrodes. Since the Beck device uses electrodes smaller than I use with Clark unit, the resistance sounds just about right. The Beck patent at http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US05139684__&s_detd=1#detd says: "Recent experiments have proven that exposure to electric fields induced by supply voltages of 2-4 volts produces electric current flow through blood of the order of 1 to 100 microamperes. " So Beck's patent says that they are only getting 2 to 4 volts for their 100 microamps. With the smaller electrodes that fits right in with my measurements with the zapper. So with the Beck you get .1 mA at 2 to 4 volts and with the Clark you get 5 mA at 2 to 4 volts. It appears to me that the Clark unit is putting out more than the Beck unit, not the other way around. Starting voltage is irrelevent when you current limit, what is important is the voltage and current when fully loaded. 27 Volts without a current limit would be deadly. I have heard of people getting killed off a 12 volt car battery since the body provides a remarkably low resistance when wet or sweaty. I still say that the Clark Zapper and Beck units both work. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>hiv
OK, I just pulled out my scope and took some measurements with the clark zapper. First I looked at the schematic in the book, and it shows a 1 K resistor for R3. So 9 volts on 1k would be 9 mA short circuit. See previous postings of this schematic by me to this group to verify if you like. When I was working in industry the UL requirement was 10 mA of leakage max. so this makes sense to me. Open circuit I was getting right at 9 volts peak to peak. With the hand holds wetted and held I was getting a 3.2 volt peak to peak signal. So we had 3.2 volts across the hands, and 5.8 volts drop across the output resistor of the zapper (assuming 0 output impedance of the driver). That works out to 5.8 mA in this case. 3.2 Volts divided by 5.8 mA is 551 ohms resistance from hand to hand, which is right in line with what I typically measure for this type of setup. I don't know where you get the body resistance is 200K, the body is full of blood, which has salt in it, and is very conductive. Dry skin will give readings of this order, but not wet skin over a large area of several square inches as when holding the hand holds with a wet paper towel. The 3.2 volts is fairly close to the 2.6 volts loaded that was given earlier. So I stand by my original statement. However there is one oddity. My body ends up looking like a 2.4 volt battery in series with a 551 ohm resistor. The pulses do not return to ground but go only as low as 3.2 volts So the 3.2 volt square wave is really going from 2.4 volts to 5.8 volts. That is it is centered on about 4.1 volts. I am not sure what the polarization is or where it is coming from. So in reality we actually have a reverse current during the low part of the cycle of about half the amplitude of the positive current during the postive part. I find this odd, and will have to think about it to figure out why. Marshall "Dean T. Miller" wrote: > Hi Marshall, > > On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:00:29 -0400, Marshall Dudley > wrote: > > >The Clark Zapper runs approximately 9V peak to peak, not 2.6 Volts open > >circuit. Once attached it may be 2.6 volts, but that is due to the current > >limiting and the loading by the body to limit it to the maximum of 10 mA. > > I haven't checked recently, but I thought that Clark was shooting for > about 7 volts for the pulse when attached (held in the hands). Also, > the current limit is 1 mA, isn't it? At least, that's the safety > guideline put out by one "official" group. > > Normal body resistance to DC current is 200,000+ Ohms. It's lower to > pulses, but not low enough to put too much current (over 1 mA) through > the body at 10 volts. > > If the pulse is only 2.6 volts, the driver circuit apparently isn't > able to supply enough current, which also means that the pulse shape > won't be close to a square wave. > > >I am > >pretty sure the Beck unit also limits to 10 Ma, so it would in effect have > >the > >same voltage as the Clark unit when attached. > > I wish that were true, but it's not. The beck unit (the DC blood > electrifier) uses 30 to 35 volts across the electrodes -- WHEN > ATTACHED! That's probably okay because the current should still be > under 1 mA -- but it's close to the limit. > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (CDP, KB0ZDF) > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>hiv
Hi Marshall, On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:00:29 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: >The Clark Zapper runs approximately 9V peak to peak, not 2.6 Volts open >circuit. Once attached it may be 2.6 volts, but that is due to the current >limiting and the loading by the body to limit it to the maximum of 10 mA. I haven't checked recently, but I thought that Clark was shooting for about 7 volts for the pulse when attached (held in the hands). Also, the current limit is 1 mA, isn't it? At least, that's the safety guideline put out by one "official" group. Normal body resistance to DC current is 200,000+ Ohms. It's lower to pulses, but not low enough to put too much current (over 1 mA) through the body at 10 volts. If the pulse is only 2.6 volts, the driver circuit apparently isn't able to supply enough current, which also means that the pulse shape won't be close to a square wave. >I am >pretty sure the Beck unit also limits to 10 Ma, so it would in effect have the >same voltage as the Clark unit when attached. I wish that were true, but it's not. The beck unit (the DC blood electrifier) uses 30 to 35 volts across the electrodes -- WHEN ATTACHED! That's probably okay because the current should still be under 1 mA -- but it's close to the limit. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>fungal infections
Hi John, On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:18:27 +1000, "John Rigby" wrote: > We primarily work with the Big C as it is the most feared and rapidly >becoming most common affliction. 848 fully documented medically >prognosticated terminal cases - including yours truly, without a single >loss. Whoa!! Is the documentation available somewhere online??? If not, why not? :) >HOWEVER the "THE Programme" is holistic and most people would rather die >than follow it! >No more booze, no smoking, no sugar, no meat, no Coke (either kind), no >more Macktuckey, circadian controlled activities, >etc., >It sounds funny to say/write it, but to cure yourself requires that you >become healthy. Change the diet, change the lifestyle, change the attitude >and the body will do its best. I suspect you're being too strict (not that it doesn't work). In the 60's I had a friend (Bob Arnold) what was diagnosed with terminal cancer and had 6 months to live (I've forgotten exactly where the cancer was -- I suspect somewhere in the abdomen). He was an upper-level manager at a distribution company in the Boston area. He figured that since he had 6 months to live, he was going to do what he'd always wanted to do -- have a small horse ranch. So he quit the company and bought about 30 acres in rural Connecticut and a few horses. He stopped eating "good" food (a little meat, lots of veggies, etc.) and started eating what he wanted to eat -- lots of steaks and pork chops. The last time I talked to him, he was still running his "ranch." That was about 10 years ago (his cancer disappeared before the 6 months was up). >So while I, like most, avidly search for the "Golden Bullet", the "Magic >Pill or Potion", nothing to date suggests that there is any other answer >than to get healthy to finally cure more than your CURRENT symptoms. There are probably some golden bullets or cures -- but the biggest is attitude, IMO. Do what you really want to do with your life! -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction
Hi Salman, On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:52:13 -0700 (PDT), "Salman al-'Awdah" wrote: >I have been, as you say, "lurking", and have been >fascinated by the wonderful cures you have been able >to report. I have always been skeptical of Western >medicine and Western doctors. It is good to be able >to read about alternatives that work. Yup. The big business of medical care wants to control how we think about begin healthy. It's happening all over the world, but mostly in North America and western Europe. >Unfortunately, >there seems to be an abundance of letters that discuss >your God, and if that is what this list is all about, >I think that other Gods should be given equal time. Ah, but the God of Moses and the God of Jesus is also the God of the Prophet Mohammad. What's unfortunate is that organized religions have distorted the old teachings enough so that the Gods appear to be different. So we have wars over the different *interpretations* of God promoted by the modern day religious leaders. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that God isn't pleased with any of them. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Interesting but off topic
Like I keep saying; most history is a complete fraud. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 11:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS>Interesting but off topic Ancient highly technological objects found that are 20,000 to 318,000 years old. http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/science/russcrew.html Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver wire
> Marsha, > Sure enjoy your comentary!! May I purchase wire from you? > Thank you. > Janet Dear Janet, Thanks! My wire supply is gone, and as I`m getting ready to move to Utah in a few weeks, I don`t think I`ll get a new order until I get there. I hope someone else on the list can help! Sorry... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
Hi Blue eyes; One needs laser diodes for this purpose and they come in 635 to 685 nanometers which is in the IR zone. NEC manufacture on page 54 of Mouser cat. I t might be possilbe to rig up a set of optics to focus the beam from a standard diode but it wont be simple. So the hunt is still one for other color laser diodes. "Ole Bob" > s -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Standardization
Hello Carol; I did not send the Flemming story it probaby was the just plain "Bob". That is why I use "Ole Bob". As for T.E., the presence of a T.E. is the assurance of a colloid for the beginner in the art of CS brewing. When one knows what ppm is being made then the job is to refine the process to make the same ppm with almost no T.E.(one needs test equipment for this). Then one has about the best product that one can make. For example when making HVAC with the arc method in a CO2 atmosphere it is possible to make a CS with 20 to 30 ppm and with almost zero T.E. (not for the beginner) When I use 1/2" spacing with 3 1/2" wet length and 26 vdc with constant stirring with 14 oz of Dw with a conductance of 1 uS I can make 10 to 15 ppm with a very very weak T.E. While I have a Hanna TDS1 it is useless for measuring low conductivity. I use my own conductivity meter and can measure to .10 uS. For example if I make a 10 uS solution as measured by my instrumentation then the TDS1 will read 4 and it cannot be adjusted lower. I hope this helps. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:Silver
Hi Harsha; Just document everything you do so that you do not cover ther same ground twice. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
Hi Folks, I just checked the Mouser Electronics catalogue (on compact disk) and found "regular" LEDs that are blue (430nm), green (565nm), yellow (585nm) and red (660nm). We could be on to something here. David rogalt...@aol.com wrote: >Snip< > I was wondering if anyone knew if lasers can be purchased in different wave > lengths. If they can, wouldn't an assortment of these lasers provide an estimate of maximum CS particle size? Roger -- E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 ICQ#... 44960928 ___ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Interesting but off topic
Ancient highly technological objects found that are 20,000 to 318,000 years old. http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/science/russcrew.html Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:Silver
Sorry for the PEM that got away. Regards harsha godavari -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:Silver
Hi Bob: Received the Silver wire yesterday. Thank you very much> Now I have no excuse to delay making the elixir any longer . Any last minute hints :-) Regards Harsha Godavari -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>hiv
Katie Jay wrote: > Clarkâ?Ts "syncro zap" > running at her standard 30 khz (considered many octaves too high to be > effective) > actually measures only ~2.6V peak to peak under load (~2000 ohms) at palms. > This is an order of magnitude too low to have any real effect beyond > placebo. The Clark Zapper runs approximately 9V peak to peak, not 2.6 Volts open circuit. Once attached it may be 2.6 volts, but that is due to the current limiting and the loading by the body to limit it to the maximum of 10 mA. I am pretty sure the Beck unit also limits to 10 Ma, so it would in effect have the same voltage as the Clark unit when attached. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>SINGING THE BLUES
Mr. Devour, my compliments on an excellent summary of the situation!! pj "M. G. Devour" wrote: > > Excellent work, Jeff! > > Far too many folks would be too intimidated to even attempt to > research and refute the argyria claim. > > I'll be straightforward on the question. I don't know that a whole > bunch of us aren't going to turn blue someday. It's no more *proven* > that CS is perfectly safe than it is *proven* that it's dangerous. > > What we have (and *all* that we have) are widespread anecdotal > evidence, a few limited studies, and some straightforward > computations we can do that suggests we'll be okay: > > * Nobody we know of has turned blue yet from taking pure, small > particle, electrolytically made colloidal silver. Some experimentors > have been taking many ounces per day for a number of years. > > * The only folks we know of who *have* turned blue have had extreme > occupational exposure to silver dust or silver compounds, or used > **doctor prescribed** nostrums containing high concentrations of > silver salts or other silver compounds. Most of these cases seem to > date back to the 50's or before. > > * I've heard tell of some folks who have fed large quantities of CS > to laboratory animals with no ill effects. I can't point to the > specific study, so I hope someone else on the list can give us a URL. > > * If you compare the quantities of silver metal known to be required > to develop argyria with the amount consumed in any reasonable use of > low concentration CS you'll quickly recognize that we are at least a > couple of orders of magnitude lower. > > * Finally, a couple of folks here have done tests that show that a > large amount, if not substantially all, of the silver ingested from > CS is excreted by the body over a reasonable period of time. Combine > this with the low quantities mentioned in the last point, and you'll > see an even greater margin of safety suggest itself. > > The only areas of concern I would mention are these: > > There are some silver preparations available that advertise > concentrations of many tens of ppm to several hundred ppm. Since > most of our experience is with CS that is 20 ppm or less, users of > those high concentration preparations should be careful *not* to > overuse their product based on other people's reports of using > larger quantities of 5-10 ppm CS. Adjust dosage for the concentration > of the product so total silver metal consumed is similar. > > Some of the products sold as CS, particularly by health food stores > and some MLM's, are over-priced and of questionable quality. Some > have been tested and shown to contain little or no silver, artificial > color, additives, or chemical residues from bulk manufacturing > processes that are not the same as we talk about here. > > I also recommend that if you haven't used CS before, or you are > trying a new or different product, to always start out with an > extremely small first dose. I'm talking about a few drops to a half > teaspoon or so. There may be some people who respond badly to silver, > possibly because of an allergic reaction. A very small initial dose > will lessen the chance of a serious reaction. > > Also, be aware of the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction, or Herx, also > known as a healing crisis. This occurs when you kill off pathogens in > your body, releasing the toxins in their cells into the blood stream > all at once. This, again, suggests starting small and increasing the > dose slowly to avoid intense or severe reactions. > > All that being said, I want to repeat that we have no guarantees. > Unless and until multi-megabuck studies can be done, this stuff > remains experimental and you're using it at your own risk. The only > person who can decide if it's safe to try is you, after gathering as > much information as you can and consulting whatever professional > advisers that you trust. > > Be well, > > Mike Devour > silver-list owner > > Disclaimer: > > I, MICHAEL DEVOUR, DISCLAIM ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR MISUSE > OF THE INFORMATION, INCLUDING LINKS, PROVIDED ON THIS LIST. EVERY > INDIVIDUAL SHOULD OBTAIN COMPETENT MEDICAL ADVICE BEFORE USING THIS > INFORMATION. THIS FREE INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN VERIFIED BY ME AND IS > PROVIDED SOLELY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES TO INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED > IN THESE TOPICS. > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Religion
Mike; Do your job. I have taught bible 45 years and am one of those "funnymentalist" that believe it, write about it, and try to live it. This list is no place for such a controversial subject. A person convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>SINGING THE BLUES
Hello Mike, Fortunately I hadn't heard of Argyria before learning about CS. But if I had I wouldn't have felt safe enough to confide in our M.D. Your mail answers the questions which are posed by seeing companies offering high ppm CS as if it is an advantage. We were actually trying to work out how to make a high ppm, since when the meter reaches optimum level the CS is ready, and letting it run longer means sludge. So, we don't need to bother now. The other information is useful too. Kind Regards Carol -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>The Truth thread...
Salman wrote: > It is good to be able to read about alternatives that work. > Unfortunately, there seems to be an abundance of letters that > discuss your God, and if that is what this list is all about, I > think that other Gods should be given equal time. Katie wrote: > ... although the spirit needs healing, I am more interested in > learning here about alternative treatments for my lyme disease. There is an undertone of mystical or spiritual issues that all too often pops up in discussions on this list. That's inevitable, given the diversity of interests we all have. My policy is to limit these discussions pretty strictly so that they do not overwhelm the list nor degenerate into bickering or open warfare, either of which would greatly hurt those who have come here seeking help and healing. The current thread on "Truth" has been handled well by the participants to this point, but it has about run it's course, I believe, as suggested by Salman's and Katie's remarks. As always, I don't strictly prohibit much of anything except clearly aggressive behavior. Instead I expect each of us to show tolerance, sensitivity, and self-restraint, especially in areas as potentially divisive as religion or politics. The occasional passing reference, greeting, or giving of thanks is okay, as I don't see a need to censor who we *are*. Much beyond that needs to be handled with great care -- and as little as possible. I welcome each of you, and thank you all for your consideration. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>SINGING THE BLUES
Excellent work, Jeff! Far too many folks would be too intimidated to even attempt to research and refute the argyria claim. I'll be straightforward on the question. I don't know that a whole bunch of us aren't going to turn blue someday. It's no more *proven* that CS is perfectly safe than it is *proven* that it's dangerous. What we have (and *all* that we have) are widespread anecdotal evidence, a few limited studies, and some straightforward computations we can do that suggests we'll be okay: * Nobody we know of has turned blue yet from taking pure, small particle, electrolytically made colloidal silver. Some experimentors have been taking many ounces per day for a number of years. * The only folks we know of who *have* turned blue have had extreme occupational exposure to silver dust or silver compounds, or used **doctor prescribed** nostrums containing high concentrations of silver salts or other silver compounds. Most of these cases seem to date back to the 50's or before. * I've heard tell of some folks who have fed large quantities of CS to laboratory animals with no ill effects. I can't point to the specific study, so I hope someone else on the list can give us a URL. * If you compare the quantities of silver metal known to be required to develop argyria with the amount consumed in any reasonable use of low concentration CS you'll quickly recognize that we are at least a couple of orders of magnitude lower. * Finally, a couple of folks here have done tests that show that a large amount, if not substantially all, of the silver ingested from CS is excreted by the body over a reasonable period of time. Combine this with the low quantities mentioned in the last point, and you'll see an even greater margin of safety suggest itself. The only areas of concern I would mention are these: There are some silver preparations available that advertise concentrations of many tens of ppm to several hundred ppm. Since most of our experience is with CS that is 20 ppm or less, users of those high concentration preparations should be careful *not* to overuse their product based on other people's reports of using larger quantities of 5-10 ppm CS. Adjust dosage for the concentration of the product so total silver metal consumed is similar. Some of the products sold as CS, particularly by health food stores and some MLM's, are over-priced and of questionable quality. Some have been tested and shown to contain little or no silver, artificial color, additives, or chemical residues from bulk manufacturing processes that are not the same as we talk about here. I also recommend that if you haven't used CS before, or you are trying a new or different product, to always start out with an extremely small first dose. I'm talking about a few drops to a half teaspoon or so. There may be some people who respond badly to silver, possibly because of an allergic reaction. A very small initial dose will lessen the chance of a serious reaction. Also, be aware of the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction, or Herx, also known as a healing crisis. This occurs when you kill off pathogens in your body, releasing the toxins in their cells into the blood stream all at once. This, again, suggests starting small and increasing the dose slowly to avoid intense or severe reactions. All that being said, I want to repeat that we have no guarantees. Unless and until multi-megabuck studies can be done, this stuff remains experimental and you're using it at your own risk. The only person who can decide if it's safe to try is you, after gathering as much information as you can and consulting whatever professional advisers that you trust. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner Disclaimer: I, MICHAEL DEVOUR, DISCLAIM ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR MISUSE OF THE INFORMATION, INCLUDING LINKS, PROVIDED ON THIS LIST. EVERY INDIVIDUAL SHOULD OBTAIN COMPETENT MEDICAL ADVICE BEFORE USING THIS INFORMATION. THIS FREE INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN VERIFIED BY ME AND IS PROVIDED SOLELY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES TO INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED IN THESE TOPICS. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction
Salman al-'Awdah wrote: > Unfortunately, > there seems to be an abundance of letters that discuss > your God, and if that is what this list is all about, > I think that other Gods should be given equal time. Same God, different name. A rose is a rose by any other name. Don't get tripped up by the verbage. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More truth
Right on, KD'C! My sentiments exactly, but expressed better than I could have done Bonnie - Original Message - From: Ode Wan Coyote To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: Re: CS>More truth > No correction here. > > I heard a visiting preacher say to another TV preacher, "We move in the > mind of God". The other preacher tried to distort this simple literal > statement of fact into a guilt/power trip by saying, You mean that once we > accept Jesus as our saviour, THEN we move in the mind of God" The first > preacher looked a bit pained and said "Yea, that's it" [It's your show, I'm > not here to steal your thunder and I know it's pointless to argue with a > made up mind] > > Ponder the application of a blend of holographic and fractal effect where > from apparent divisions in consciousness can arise according to point of > view. Examine apparent divisions in ones own personal awareness and > extrapolate into greater realms...as above , so below. > Imagine that you could project your consciousness into a hologram, then > forget you did it. From the original point of view, you would know that > it's just a light show, but from the experiential point of view, you could > actually bruise your leg on a holographic table and it WOULD hurt. > Why does dissociation [via hypnosis etc.] eliminate pain? > > If all separation of mind is an appearance and there are no "real" > divisions...how can one not BE what one is not separate from? > Obviously, there is much misidentification of self happening in this > universe. > Focus has more to do with not seeing every thing else than it does seeing > one thing clearly. It's a useful tool in it's own context but says little > about reality. > IMO, the brain works like a good radio, filtering out all but one channel > from billions...providing focus to this landscape of ideas. All the senses > are tools to help the brain verify that one channel. > The function of the brain is to pick out patterns from chaos and have > them verified by the senses in a feedback loop style...thus, a cohesive > reality is created by denial of all else. Absolute chaos and absolute > order are the same thing. The Alpha IS the Omega. > If the senses and the opinions formed from the incoming data were > accurate, one would never change their minds about anything or see anything > differently. Most refuse to anyway by eliminating conflicting data from > consciousness. Perhaps individualism is but a denial of communication where > a strongly individualistic person has but limited their points of view by > exclusion and developed what might be called a "well focussed identity". > But such an identity must always be defended. If it must be defended, it > can't be said to be secure. Unfortunately, the most common defence is an > attack. "I can only be right if someone else is wrong and I must be right > or I am not me"...on a personal/community/theologic/national scale...and "I > know" is really "I'm afraid to admit how little I know, so , you must be > stupid" > > "I cannot be who I think I am. If I am, my mind must never change > because if it did..I was never who I thought I was." > Time to think again, ey? > > The individuals mind and the greater mind of God are one and the same. > It is the greater mind of God taking an individual point of view. It is > done by using ideas of space and time, believing those ideas to be the > grand total of reality and verifying that belief with the tools invented > and formed for that purpose...by that one mind "seen as" many. > Nothing can exist 'as real' without creating artificial divisions, but, > there are entities who know they are doing it. They are not trapped by > their self erected limitations...nor do they feel guilty about playing in them. > God is but the completely undefended self sans all barriers. The mind > that includes all ideas. > The instant you completely forget who and what you think you are and drop > all the defences designed to validate those ideas.such as 'being' a body... > There are no limits to experience and bodies are but useful tools. You > will find that you have as many as you want to serve whatever purpose you > desire. > KD'C > > At 04:40 PM 8/8/00 -0400, you wrote: > >It is a jab at the scientist's viewpoint that concousness (the mind) is > >nothing > >more than a biochemical process of the brain. Thus the mind is in the > >brain to > >them. But to anyone who has had an NDE, OBE, past life memory and so > >forth, it > >is apparent that conciousness is separate from the brain and continues to > >exist > >even after the death of the brain. > > > >It also can refer to the generalization that all physical matter including the > >brain can be considered nothing more than a materialization from the etheric, > >where the mind resides, whether we are speaking of an individual's mind, > >or the > >greater mind of God. > > > >Correct me if I am wro
RE: CS>fungal infections
Hi John and all, I agree wholeheartedly with your commentary. The universe tries to create for us what we intend. I think that was the intent of our creator. Our thoughts, sooner or later will manifest in the third dimension. I believe that there has been a long-time effort by hidden forces to: 1. Disconnect us from conscious use of that mechanism, and 2. To use that mechanism on the masses through education, social values, religion, law, and media [i.e. mind control] to produce a reality which benefits our oppressors and not us. Just who "they" ultimately are may be very difficult for any of us to determine to our own satisfaction, and very difficult to accept, but the evidence is mounting that they are not human at the source of the control. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: John Rigby [SMTP:ri...@fablor.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 6:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>fungal infections Ha Jim & folks, A special research group to which I belong is actually driven unscientifically nutz by "spontaneous" cures! However, the last 20 years of the program seem to dramatically point to the absolute need for a genuinely holistic approach which involves body and mind. Something as simple as stopping all artificial Fluoride intake often has remarkable effects on people. Adding natural zinc in large amounts e.g. can have dramatic effects in mental dis-ease. Suddenly taking control of one's life can do it for many people. Our research group has tentatively arrived at the following hypothesis: It all starts and ends with food. Health restoration absolutely requires conviction ( also wrecks careful trials - placebo effect) We primarily work with the Big C as it is the most feared and rapidly becoming most common affliction. 848 fully documented medically prognosticated terminal cases - including yours truly, without a single loss. HOWEVER the "THE Programme" is holistic and most people would rather die than follow it! No more booze, no smoking, no sugar, no meat, no Coke (either kind), no more Macktuckey, circadian controlled activities, etc., It sounds funny to say/write it, but to cure yourself requires that you become healthy. Change the diet, change the lifestyle, change the attitude and the body will do its best. So while I, like most, avidly search for the "Golden Bullet", the "Magic Pill or Potion", nothing to date suggests that there is any other answer than to get healthy to finally cure more than your CURRENT symptoms. This certainly is not to deny the efficacy of remedies such as discussed here continually, but it seems the Ancient Alchemists were right 4880 years ago: "You are what you do and the greatest evil(danger) is your own tongue." - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: RE: CS>fungal infections > Hi John, > > Thanks for the recommendation. I tried it sporadically in the past, and > did not get observable results in about a month. > > When I finish the trials with the CS/DMSO, I will try it. I do not recall > if the stuff I was using was 100%, perhaps that was a problem. > > I did find CS---again over several months---to eradicate H. Simplex. I > have never heard of anyone who was infected having a spontaneous cure, so I > attribute it to the CS. > DISCLAIMER: None of the above is any form of medical or expert advice, merely a great deal of observation. PEACE! OR ELSE! John -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS stimulates bacteria???
You might consider directing the two doctors to Dr. Bart A. Flick, who may be contacted at the "Silverlon", i.e. Argentum Research web site. Dr. Flick, an Orthopedic surgeon, has been studying Ag for about 14 years. He says there is no bacteria that CS does not kill. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Katie Jay [SMTP:kj...@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS stimulates bacteria??? Hi all, I'm continuing the discussion with the woman who said her MS bacterial count trippled while she was on CS. I know this may have no merit in the efficacy of CS, but here are the further details she gave me. Thanks, Katie Her words: Making it myself with Beck machine; about 4-5 ounces a day 5 days a week for 6 months. No antibiotics then. So two different doctors told me C.S. stimulated some bacteria; BUT to date NO substantiating medical papers, just words. And evidence if my count was true as pathologist said when it tripled. Did you know some antibiotcs cause muations of B.b. (lyme spirochete) that's why I'm taking a rest from abx and went to Mexico. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Standardization
Dear Bob, Thanks for that information. I'm not quite sure what you are saying though. I had been told that CS 'had' to display TE, or you didn't have a colloid. I need help with this one. Did you send Flemming story? Blessings Carol -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction
Same idea, different name and approach. No conflict. KD'C At 05:52 AM 8/9/00 -0700, you wrote: I have been, as you say, "lurking", and have been fascinated by the wonderful cures you have been able to report. I have always been skeptical of Western medicine and Western doctors. It is good to be able to read about alternatives that work. Unfortunately, there seems to be an abundance of letters that discuss your God, and if that is what this list is all about, I think that other Gods should be given equal time. Allah is the Arabian Supreme Being, "El" or the Hebrew "Eli". He is the Creator God of ancient Arabia who was seen as the father and king of the other gods. When Muhammad speaks of Allah, there is no god but He. Allah is the All-high, the All-glorious Creator and Guardian over everything. Allah rewards and punishes, He is omniscient, universal and all powerful. In essence, it is the submission to the will of Allah that makes Islam what it is. There is no intermediary with man and Allah, one approaches Allah directly in prayer and in the reciting of the Quran. Thank you, and praise Allah Salman al-`Awdah __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Warts
" Variables don't, constants aren't !" I love it. Another superb one Chuck! James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [SMTP:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Warts You guys are probably talking about different things or at least different subclasses of the same thing. If I used scissors on mine I'd bleed to death! Chuck Variables don't, constants aren't ! On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:00:46 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: >> I have what the doctor calls skin tags - couldn't find much info >> on them on the internet last time I looked - anyone know if CS or >> pulsers will rid me of them? > >don't know. I use fingernail sissors. > >Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
Yes, lasers can be had in various wave lengths but not as laser pointers. As far as I know, the red laser diode is the only frequency available in a pointer. ken At 08:24 AM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 8/9/00 6:49:29 AM EST, coy...@alltel.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight] Date: 8/9/00 6:49:29 AM EST From: coy...@alltel.net (Ode Wan Coyote) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com ## Harbor Freight now sells online as well as by catalog. A good company. I've used them for many years. Sometimes they have laser pointers on sale for as little as $5I prefer the AAA battery type over the button cell type as the batteries are much cheaper and longer lasting. Ken http://harborfreight.com/ >> I was wondering if anyone knew if lasers can be purchased in different wave lengths. If they can, wouldn't an assortment of these lasers provide an estimate of maximum CS particle size? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>The Truth Hurts
The point is that spirit does not need healing. What is needed is closer contact with spirits purpose. Then, miracles will begin to be recognized instead of being told what they 'should' look like and conflicts resolve. Then healing of the body. However, agreed that this is an off topic thread not directly related to CS and I will cease. KD'C At 09:50 PM 8/8/00 -0700, you wrote: The truth has been discussed here for awhile now and I am glad for the information and discussion. At the same time, I think the posts are becoming less informative as they go on. And although the spirit needs healing, I am more interested in learning here about alternative treatments for my lyme disease. Hope you don't mind my honesty about the truth. Katie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More truth
It means that mind is not the product of brain, that brain is the product of mind and the location and identity of mind has been reversed, therefore, nearly all points of view have become skewed...and it was done on purpose for a purpose by mind. A really neat and effective trick. Yes, anyone can fool themselves into believing they didn't regardless of the level of thought via self validating feedback loops. [Aka, your personally validated version of reality] KD'C At 04:36 PM 8/8/00 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 08/08/2000 10:04:19 Central Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: Kinda catchy, but what on earth does it mean? I hate ambiguous statements. << Ode Wan Coyote wrote: > The brain is in the mind. Very nice quote. I will have to remember that one. Marshall >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More truth
No correction here. I heard a visiting preacher say to another TV preacher, "We move in the mind of God". The other preacher tried to distort this simple literal statement of fact into a guilt/power trip by saying, You mean that once we accept Jesus as our saviour, THEN we move in the mind of God" The first preacher looked a bit pained and said "Yea, that's it" [It's your show, I'm not here to steal your thunder and I know it's pointless to argue with a made up mind] Ponder the application of a blend of holographic and fractal effect where from apparent divisions in consciousness can arise according to point of view. Examine apparent divisions in ones own personal awareness and extrapolate into greater realms...as above , so below. Imagine that you could project your consciousness into a hologram, then forget you did it. From the original point of view, you would know that it's just a light show, but from the experiential point of view, you could actually bruise your leg on a holographic table and it WOULD hurt. Why does dissociation [via hypnosis etc.] eliminate pain? If all separation of mind is an appearance and there are no "real" divisions...how can one not BE what one is not separate from? Obviously, there is much misidentification of self happening in this universe. Focus has more to do with not seeing every thing else than it does seeing one thing clearly. It's a useful tool in it's own context but says little about reality. IMO, the brain works like a good radio, filtering out all but one channel from billions...providing focus to this landscape of ideas. All the senses are tools to help the brain verify that one channel. The function of the brain is to pick out patterns from chaos and have them verified by the senses in a feedback loop style...thus, a cohesive reality is created by denial of all else. Absolute chaos and absolute order are the same thing. The Alpha IS the Omega. If the senses and the opinions formed from the incoming data were accurate, one would never change their minds about anything or see anything differently. Most refuse to anyway by eliminating conflicting data from consciousness. Perhaps individualism is but a denial of communication where a strongly individualistic person has but limited their points of view by exclusion and developed what might be called a "well focussed identity". But such an identity must always be defended. If it must be defended, it can't be said to be secure. Unfortunately, the most common defence is an attack. "I can only be right if someone else is wrong and I must be right or I am not me"...on a personal/community/theologic/national scale...and "I know" is really "I'm afraid to admit how little I know, so , you must be stupid" "I cannot be who I think I am. If I am, my mind must never change because if it did..I was never who I thought I was." Time to think again, ey? The individuals mind and the greater mind of God are one and the same. It is the greater mind of God taking an individual point of view. It is done by using ideas of space and time, believing those ideas to be the grand total of reality and verifying that belief with the tools invented and formed for that purpose...by that one mind "seen as" many. Nothing can exist 'as real' without creating artificial divisions, but, there are entities who know they are doing it. They are not trapped by their self erected limitations...nor do they feel guilty about playing in them. God is but the completely undefended self sans all barriers. The mind that includes all ideas. The instant you completely forget who and what you think you are and drop all the defences designed to validate those ideas.such as 'being' a body... There are no limits to experience and bodies are but useful tools. You will find that you have as many as you want to serve whatever purpose you desire. KD'C At 04:40 PM 8/8/00 -0400, you wrote: It is a jab at the scientist's viewpoint that concousness (the mind) is nothing more than a biochemical process of the brain. Thus the mind is in the brain to them. But to anyone who has had an NDE, OBE, past life memory and so forth, it is apparent that conciousness is separate from the brain and continues to exist even after the death of the brain. It also can refer to the generalization that all physical matter including the brain can be considered nothing more than a materialization from the etheric, where the mind resides, whether we are speaking of an individual's mind, or the greater mind of God. Correct me if I am wrong Coyote. Marshall mama2b...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/08/2000 10:04:19 Central Daylight Time, > mdud...@execonn.com writes: > > Kinda catchy, but what on earth does it mean? I hate ambiguous statements. > << > Ode Wan Coyote wrote: > > > The brain is in the mind. > > Very nice quote. I will have to remember that one. > > Marshall > >> > > -- > Th
CS>Introduction
I have been, as you say, "lurking", and have been fascinated by the wonderful cures you have been able to report. I have always been skeptical of Western medicine and Western doctors. It is good to be able to read about alternatives that work. Unfortunately, there seems to be an abundance of letters that discuss your God, and if that is what this list is all about, I think that other Gods should be given equal time. Allah is the Arabian Supreme Being, "El" or the Hebrew "Eli". He is the Creator God of ancient Arabia who was seen as the father and king of the other gods. When Muhammad speaks of Allah, there is no god but He. Allah is the All-high, the All-glorious Creator and Guardian over everything. Allah rewards and punishes, He is omniscient, universal and all powerful. In essence, it is the submission to the will of Allah that makes Islam what it is. There is no intermediary with man and Allah, one approaches Allah directly in prayer and in the reciting of the Quran. Thank you, and praise Allah Salman al-`Awdah __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>hiv
James, More discussion about Beck's blood electrification (HIV mentioned). Katie: << Do you know of anyone with an auto-immune disease who has used these devices? >> Here is the information I have from various web sites regarding the pulser: They discovered that passing very small amounts of electricity directly through the blood neutralizes the activity of viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites in the blood. Their US Patent #5,188,738, column 1 line 8 reads, "...to provide electric current flow through the blood or other body fluids at a magnitude that is biologically compatible but is sufficient to render the bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus ineffective to infect or affect normally healthy cells while maintaining the biological usefulness of the blood or other fluids..." Electrification is now being successfully used underground around the world. One Eastern MD claims numerous documented cancer cures by using only blood electrification and no surgery, radiation, drugs or chemotherapy. Many were considered terminal. We're even seeing clean blood tests of now healthy patients with previously long-standing Lupus. We have in our posession many IRBâ?Ts showing complete HIV remissions, sero-conversions, and negative PCR tests. The most reasonable theory of why electrification is so surprisingly effective for so many conditions lies in the now-proven fact that when correctly applied directly into blood (not into other body tissue like palms of hands, soles of feet, or organs) it neutralizes all microbes, pathogens, fungi, parasites, viruses, bacteria, mycotoxins and coexisting foreign lifeforms and alien invaders and their byproducts. This should never be confused with Royal Rife or Hulda Clark technology. Effective results are found to require a minimum of 27 Volts under load with low impedance output which must deliver up to several milliamperes measurable current into skin to produce the required 50 to 100 microamperes internally through blood after the inevitable series resistance losses through vessel walls plus several layers of tissue. Electrical currents in blood can be measured with an ac microamp meter by IR drop using partially insulated hypodermic needles inserted ~6 inches apart into the same artery. Clarkâ?Ts "syncro zap" running at her standard 30 khz (considered many octaves too high to be effective) actually measures only ~2.6V peak to peak under load (~2000 ohms) at palms. This is an order of magnitude too low to have any real effect beyond placebo. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
In a message dated 8/9/00 6:49:29 AM EST, coy...@alltel.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight] Date: 8/9/00 6:49:29 AM EST From: coy...@alltel.net (Ode Wan Coyote) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com ## Harbor Freight now sells online as well as by catalog. A good company. I've used them for many years. Sometimes they have laser pointers on sale for as little as $5I prefer the AAA battery type over the button cell type as the batteries are much cheaper and longer lasting. Ken http://harborfreight.com/ >> I was wondering if anyone knew if lasers can be purchased in different wave lengths. If they can, wouldn't an assortment of these lasers provide an estimate of maximum CS particle size? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>fungal infections
Ha Jim & folks, A special research group to which I belong is actually driven unscientifically nutz by "spontaneous" cures! However, the last 20 years of the program seem to dramatically point to the absolute need for a genuinely holistic approach which involves body and mind. Something as simple as stopping all artificial Fluoride intake often has remarkable effects on people. Adding natural zinc in large amounts e.g. can have dramatic effects in mental dis-ease. Suddenly taking control of one's life can do it for many people. Our research group has tentatively arrived at the following hypothesis: It all starts and ends with food. Health restoration absolutely requires conviction ( also wrecks careful trials - placebo effect) We primarily work with the Big C as it is the most feared and rapidly becoming most common affliction. 848 fully documented medically prognosticated terminal cases - including yours truly, without a single loss. HOWEVER the "THE Programme" is holistic and most people would rather die than follow it! No more booze, no smoking, no sugar, no meat, no Coke (either kind), no more Macktuckey, circadian controlled activities, etc., It sounds funny to say/write it, but to cure yourself requires that you become healthy. Change the diet, change the lifestyle, change the attitude and the body will do its best. So while I, like most, avidly search for the "Golden Bullet", the "Magic Pill or Potion", nothing to date suggests that there is any other answer than to get healthy to finally cure more than your CURRENT symptoms. This certainly is not to deny the efficacy of remedies such as discussed here continually, but it seems the Ancient Alchemists were right 4880 years ago: "You are what you do and the greatest evil(danger) is your own tongue." - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: RE: CS>fungal infections > Hi John, > > Thanks for the recommendation. I tried it sporadically in the past, and > did not get observable results in about a month. > > When I finish the trials with the CS/DMSO, I will try it. I do not recall > if the stuff I was using was 100%, perhaps that was a problem. > > I did find CS---again over several months---to eradicate H. Simplex. I > have never heard of anyone who was infected having a spontaneous cure, so I > attribute it to the CS. > DISCLAIMER: None of the above is any form of medical or expert advice, merely a great deal of observation. PEACE! OR ELSE! John -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
## Harbor Freight now sells online as well as by catalog. A good company. I've used them for many years. Sometimes they have laser pointers on sale for as little as $5I prefer the AAA battery type over the button cell type as the batteries are much cheaper and longer lasting. Ken http://harborfreight.com/ At 09:26 PM 8/8/00 +0100, you wrote: Carol Webb writes >Dear Marshall, >I think I should take you on a shopping trip in >England. I want to cry..If only you knew!!! >It took me about 3 weeks to source the silver, >another trek to get a meter, and the worse >component was 'water'. We had to accept some >past its sell by date from Boots which is our >biggest pharmacy. We may be fortunate and >find that Tandy, which has limited radio Shack >components has one. We don't have a RS in >Wolverhampton where I am, perhaps there is >one in London. No, I'm afraid it will be another >search. > Hi Carol, To overcome the DW (distilled water) problem I decided to make my own. Try the Fresh Water Filter Company in London. Tel: 0208 597 3223; http://www.freshwaterfilter.demon.co.uk; m...@freshwaterfilter.co.uk. They do a distiller (NOT cheap) and also an in line filter (again not cheap). I HAD to use the latter at my previous address in Somerset. I have no connection with the company, just a very satisfied customer. >I know someone living in the wilds of California, >with access to a town of 5,000 people who can >shop better than we can. I got my daughter in Florida to get me a laser pointer stateside. This was only a few dollars compared to the expensive items I sourced over here at the time. Believe the company in the States was Harbour Freight. Can't remember their details but am sure someone on list will hop in with the relevant details. Be well, be happy Ron -- Ron Cuthbertson -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
