CSRe:A little humour...OT
Sad, but true... ;) Judith. THE MONTH AFTER CHRISTMAS 'Twas the month after Christmas, and all through the house Nothing would fit me, not even a blouse. The cookies I'd nibbled, the eggnog I'd taste All the holiday parties had gone to my waist. When I got on the scales there arose such a number! When I walked to the store (less a walk than a lumber). I'd remember the marvelous meals I'd prepared; The gravies and sauces and beef nicely rared, The wine and the rum balls, the bread and the cheese And the way I'd never said, No thank you, please. As I dressed myself in my husband's old shirt And prepared once again to do battle with dirt-- I said to myself, as I only can You can't spend a winter disguised as a man! So, away with the last of the sour cream dip, Get rid of the fruit cake, every cracker and chip Every last bit of food that I like must be banished 'Till all the additional ounces have vanished. I won't have a cookie, not even a lick. I'll want only to chew on a long celery stick. I won't have hot biscuits, or corn bread, or pie, I'll munch on a carrot and quietly cry. I'm hungry, I'm lonesome, and life is a bore--- But isn't that what January is for? Unable to giggle, no longer a riot. Happy New Year to all and to all a good diet! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat does everyone eat these days??
Dear Hanan, We have been certified Organic growers for some time - we eat organic, I follow quite a lot of Dr Hulda Clark's regimen - make my own soap, shampoos and I have created my own deodorant - NOT an antiperspirant. Make my own bread - given up prepared foods, buy tinned food only if by specific companies that use our own un-mangled Australian foods that are not grown in sewerage waste water. Buy organic meats - changed from what to cook to just have a healthy juice - 2 carrots, one celery stick and a fat slice of rock melon ditto pineapple - and that makes a meal - eg lunch or evening if we had a main meal at lunch. Even old fuss pot husband has come to realise how filling an 8 ounce glass of just juice is. The rock melon or rock melon and pineapple are essential when you want to break someone else into juice as a meal - the flavour is fantastic. Treated rellies to rock melon, pineapple and lots of watermelon yesterday as a thirst quencher pre-dinner drink - more converts. Changing your lifestyle to rare if ever fast foods or prepared foods is a pain at first - but soon you will find no probs making your own eg icecream - again I created my own - using safe products. I bake - I'm partial to Spelt four at the moment - Vita-Spelt it's called. Both whole and white available. Our shopping is always heavy on safe fruits and vegetables. Natural grains by choice - and processed avoided. Tea is green tea or green tea with paw paw leaf for me - my husband likes his with caffeine in it. No coffee. I use a great many herbal teas - some I mix myself - I find guarana and siberian ginseng invaluable. I made a batch of echinacea throat lozenges - but they were a problem - I made this lovely big batch that I thought would last for months - but my husband attacked them with great vigour - despite threats, discussions [...@#$@%???] and ultimatums [or is it ultimata?]. I have not made another batch since but I made a sun infused jar of garlic honey instead - that does not have the same appeal so it is there when I want it ;)! For a time, my husband would not walk round with me shopping as I tend to speak my thoughts out loud when I read the crap in products - like canola oil in rice milk!!! What for??? To make it as toxic as milk? Now he has tasted organic meat, he has become very fussy too. I think it is a case of reawakening your taste buds from bland to exciting by using sea salt, fresh ground pepper, fresh or safely dried herbs - not irradiated etc that you become a gradual convert to a change in lifestyle. A little more work means better, tastier eating. Plan ahead for ready to eat meals - your own heat and eat can be prepared by doing twice as much and storing one for a day or two and eating the other immediately. It's only a problem at the beginning! Good health! Good eating! Judith. Gosh, with all the crud in our food, I'm at a loss at the grocery store. Any ideas? Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdrugs
Children's Tylenol contains Aspartame! Go to www.liverdoctor.com . Although Sandra is in Sydney, you can ask questions. Dr Sandra Cabot has St Mary's Thistle in her LivaTone tablets. It is a herb one thinks of first in association with liver. [Sybum marianum] Judith. - Original Message - From: Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: CSdrugs Hi Christiane My 2 and a half year old also has liver problems due to her disorder. At the moment she is being given, codeine, morphine, tramadole, and something else as well, to control the pain of a broken femur. I am freaking out about all the drugs, and have told them to stop all but the tramadole, and just give morphine incraments when absolutely necessary. Do you know what drugs cause the liver the most problems. I know that panadol/tylenol cause problems so I have told them NO PANADOL, but what about the others. Anyone else know. Also what could help the liver cope with all this? Thanks Tracy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSconstipation
A glass of plain water only first thing in the morning and a fresh
pear about an hour after the evening meal. Very reliable.
Then make sure you don't let fluid level down in the future - that
means no dehydrating drinks like coke and other sodas - water, water
water - lots and lots - then not constipation ever. Coffee is
dehydrating too - anything sugar filled sucks out water.
Judith.
- Original Message -
From: Christiane Osowiecki ti...@peoplepc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: CSconstipation
Tracy,
Thanks for the prune hint! I use that on my son, but prunes are
very high
in potassium, and my daughter can't have them because her kidney
can't
process the potassium. ~:-{
I'm glad to hear that your daughter is handling the hospital stay
well. I
too, have spent years (literally) in the hospital with my daughter,
and I
know all to well the perils that come with each stay. I want to
encourage
you with your stand with the doctors, and CS. Keep up the good
work! We
are the advocates of our children, and if we don't care for them,
who will!?
You have been in my thoughts and prayers often since your first post
about
the admission. Please continue to keep me posted!
God bless,
Christiane
- Original Message -
From: Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:06 AM
Subject: CSconstipation
Hi again
I used to use prune juice OR cook prunes, cool, then mash up and
strain
them
finely, then freeze them in ice block cubes. All my kids just
loved them
and they worked so well. They added bulk and fibre, but gave
moist
motions,
not runny ones. Prunes are excellent for constipation.
Tracy.
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CSmice
Judith, Cats eat mice, and snakes eat mice! However, I'm told: Sprinkle borax powder under furniture and along next to the skirting boards. They walk on it, lick it off their feet; apparently it does nasty things to their digestion. Supposed to do in cockroaches too. Don't leave any CS out for them 'cos it might undo the borax damage :) Tony Judith Thamm wrote: Ted, . Pray do tell how do you feed aspartame to mice? With ants you tip it in their hole - with mice there is no hole specifically when they build up to plague proportions - they live on top of the ground and just cling together out of light during the day - one lot we couldn't trace in the house - drove us crazy - we eased out a bookcase and there were 50 or so clinging together behind it They eat everything - clothes, tupperware, furniture coverings - I'd love to feed them poison now - but until a plague is declared, we are not allowed to buy baits with strychnine or the like in it. Judith. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmice
Speaking of cockroaches, (I manage apartments) cat nip works wonders. Buy it loose, put it in cheesecloth. The roaches can't stand the smell and quickly vacate - I don't even have to give them a 30 day notice!. Don't know if this works on ants or mice. Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnsubscribe/Yahoo Mail cannot allow page deletion
In front of each message is a block. By checking the block in front of each message you wish to delete, you can delete a bunch at a time. Also, at the bottom of your list of messages is a message that reads Check All. By clicking on the message, all of the messages are checked. You can now click on any individual messages that you DO NOT want to delete, which leave the other messages checked. Now click on the Delete button and voila, those messages you want deleted are gone. Erwin At 04:20 PM 12/30/2000 -0800, you wrote: This is some real BS, you purchase a mail service that then gives you no way to delete a page at a time. This is false advertising: the service does not work as advertised.!!! Now my 25 MB mailbox is now full and I cant spend 8 hours deleting each letter one at a time. HDN
Re: CS in eyes
Hi Christiane: I have yet to make a yellow color CS, I use a Polar Bear distiller, yet several of my friends sometimes get yellow CS, they purchase their distilled water from a drug store, it is my oponion that the distilled water makes the difference. There are some who use yellow dye in their CS and charge a higher price promoting that yellow is better. I leave it up to the indivudal member on the list to decide, what is better. Blessings Ted Christiane Osowiecki wrote: Good, clear CS can be stored in anything that holds water. The dark glass is needed for CS that has a yellow color. Most of my CS is completely clear, but every once in a while I get a yellow batch. I haven't been able to figure out why that happens, because as far as I can figure, I am doing the exact same thing. Christiane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS in eyes
I vote for clear. I use store bought steam distilled water. Never made anything other than clear cs. Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS in eyes
Greetings to all Silverlisters. Harold wrote: I wonder if anyone there might venture an opinion as to whether is is safe to spray CS into my eyes when I get up in the morning It is almost stuck shut in the morning from dried something during the night. I have a friend complaining of inflammed conjuctiva. She wears contact lenses which are cleansed by immersing in an ocular lotion overnight. I suggested Colloidal Silver drop instillation to both eyes at 10 PPM in distilled water as often as she wishes and that the contact lenses to be cleansed by overnight immersion in Colloidal Silver.. I hear no more of ocular complaints from her to-date. I prefer the more gentler mode of drop instillation where the eyes are concerned. The sticky stuck eyes often seen in the morning are due to the concretization of fibrinous exudate due to Potassium [K] deficit. The latter can also manifest in the form of mucous catarrh. For my paediatric cases, I use potentised Potassium Chloride [ Kalium Muriaticum 6x] . For adults, K salt is another alternative. K salt [ a US product ] available in Malaysia, is a combination of potassium gluconate, potassium acetate and mono-potassium phosphate. The K salt is dissolved in distilled water and is refrigerated. The chilled solution is taken as desired. The benefits of K salt: * Removes excess Sodium in cells * Build new tissues * Diuretic action: Counteracts water retention [ edema and puffy eyes ] *Replaces electrolytes in the body *Regulates kidney functions * Prevents cough and colds * Removes chest congestion * Strengthens the immune system [ Colloidal Silver has this property] Potassium [K] is one of the most important minerals in the human body,being indispensable in tissue protein synthesis and enzymatic processes,helping to maintain intra-cellular pH and the regulation of kidney functions. With regards Lew
CSStoring CS in Plastic Containers
In a message dated 12/30/00 6:58:35 PM EST, ti...@peoplepc.com writes: You said that you spray from a plastic spray bottle.. I was under the impression (remember I'm a newbie) that CS should not be stored in plastic. I thought that it could only be stored in dark glass (brown or blue). Anyone..please correct me if my information in incorrect. I hope I've helped, Christiane Christiane: It depends on the quality of CS produced. Generally, the higher quality CS can be stored in plastic containers. For example, the HVAC CS I make is stored in plastic containers with no problems. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFree Book Available
Hi Frank, et al, What is Ron basing his statement on? I think you will find that CSpro believes that the sol made by their HV equipment produces very little ionic silver. Marx believes that the effects of dissolved silver are not known and prefers to avoid creating Ag + in his sols. I know of no one who will disagree with the idea that dissolved silver is much more reactive with other ions than a silver sol, and therefore has greater potential for creating undesired reaction products. Ionic silver has been responsible for most cases of Argyria in the literature. Dissolved silver produces no Tyndall effect; try it with silver nitrate of any concentration. CSpro sol demonstrates a pronounced Tyndall. Since everyone agrees that Ag + will certainly react with the abundantly present Cl minus to produce a relatively harmless and insoluble salt, first in the stomach, and, if it were to be absorbed without reacting in the stomach, then in the blood. That would render useless 90 % of the CSpro sol. My anecdotal experience with the CSpro HVAC sol shows it to be highly potent against fungi, bacteria, and virons in man. The definition of ionic has never been agreed upon by this list's participants. Webster's unabridged, 2nd Edition says that an ion is a charged atom or group of atoms, and specifically mentions the gain or loss of an electron as creating the charge. It means nothing about how that charge came to be, or other factors relevant to the behavior of the ion in any given environment. I have proposed defining ionic, dissolved silver to mean a single atom of silver with its outer shell missing one electron, and a silver sol to mean a small cluster of atoms bearing a positive charge. How a positive charge is generated on a cluster of Ag is created-- if indeed that is the case--is still a mystery to me. For the past several years most writers have held that electro-generated silver sols have a positive charge and are composed of a small clump of atoms. How that charge originates has never been explained to me in a manner that I can understand. That is in large part due to my lacking a fundamental grounding in the pertinent science, but also due to conflicting assertions by highly qualified professionals. There needs to be standardization of working definitions: If the particle is defined as the silver alone, then according to most writers it is positively charged. If the cluster of negative hydroxyl ions said to attach to the positive silver cluster is included in the definition charged particle then the aggregate has an overall negative charge. In describing how CS disables pathogens, most writers describe the effect of a positive charge. If the silver clump is surrounded by negative hydroxyl ions, how does the positive charge come to bear? It has also been stated that most bacteria are negative. If bacteria are negative shouldn't they repel the negatively charged silver-hydroxyl ion cluster? Forgive me speaking so generally and for not having cites to support my assertions; the material from which I draw is not well organized, and I am presently too committed to other matters to compile and compare it in sufficient detail to offer a useful description of the different proposals. I do know that Bruce Marx of Capri, unless he has very recently change his position, holds that the sol produced by his HV devices produces very little monatomic dissolved silver. Later, James Osbourne Holmes FTNWO -Original Message- From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSFree Book Available That is referring to the HVAC process, usually using 10,000 to 12,000 volts AC. Commercial grade units such as the Ultra Pro from CSPro uses this process. The CSPro unit is a very nice mechanical packaging job. You can also build your own using a high voltage neon sign transformer. Best if you have machine shop facilities available to make the electrode holders, etc. This is not really a hobbiest project. The serious voltages involved can turn you into a crispy critter in no time. As Ron points out, it makes a reasonable good cs product which is about 90% ionic silver and 10% particles. frank key Found the free booklet very interesting. One question. - It is stated All of the highest 4-star rated colloidal silver products tested were produced utilizing the AC process. How does one go about making colloidal silver using AC? To err is human, sour grapes, da vine. Erwin -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List
CSmice problem
Judith, Try putting out pie pans full of diet Coke. Even if the Aspartame doesn't get them, a mouse cannot burp, so (I'm told) the gas in Coke will cause them to rupture internally. Tell us how it works. Terry Wayne __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSASHING
Anyone hear of or experience this with the use of CS. Supposedly something about having too much cs can cause you to leave silver residue on your bed linens. Please Respond Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOn Making CS Using AC
In a message dated 12/30/00 9:48:48 PM EST, w...@earthlink.net writes: Subj: Re: CSFree Book Available Date: 12/30/00 9:48:48 PM EST From: w...@earthlink.net (Erwin Hanke) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Found the free booklet very interesting. One question. - It is stated All of the highest 4-star rated colloidal silver products tested were produced utilizing the AC process. How does one go about making colloidal silver using AC? To err is human, sour grapes, da vine. Erwin Erwin: Check the archives. You'll find a mountain of info there. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOn Making CS Using AC
O.K. Bare with me, I'm a bit retarded when it comes to electricity, I'm very handy with plumbing though. When you speak of AC are you talking about plugging a generator into your electrical wall outlet? If so, I bought my generator from silvergen and thats what I do - plug it into the socket. Am I missing something? Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS in eyes
Good, clear CS can be stored in anything that holds water. The dark glass is needed for CS that has a yellow color. Most of my CS is completely clear, but every once in a while I get a yellow batch. I haven't been able to figure out why that happens, because as far as I can figure, I am doing the exact same thing. Some plastics aren't good, because they can leach chemicals into the CS over time (a relatively long time). However, soda (pop) bottles are okay to use to store CS (they're designed to hold acidic solutions for a long time). When I first started making CS, I was told that a brown, plastic, peroxide bottle was good to store CS in. Sometimes, I put my clear CS in it, and when I go to use it a few days later, it has turned yellow, or brown. Do you know what would make that happen? Thanks for all your help, Christiane -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (CDP, KB0ZDF) I get a chuckle from your Duh Moyn thing every time! ~:-} -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: color of CS
Ted, I do purchase my distilled water from a drug store, so that could very well be my problem. I, personally have found that the yellow stuff tastes bad and doesn't work as well. This is not by any scientific standards, or testing...just from personal experience... Christiane - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: Re: CS in eyes Hi Christiane: I have yet to make a yellow color CS, I use a Polar Bear distiller, yet several of my friends sometimes get yellow CS, they purchase their distilled water from a drug store, it is my oponion that the distilled water makes the difference. There are some who use yellow dye in their CS and charge a higher price promoting that yellow is better. I leave it up to the indivudal member on the list to decide, what is better. Blessings Ted Christiane Osowiecki wrote: Good, clear CS can be stored in anything that holds water. The dark glass is needed for CS that has a yellow color. Most of my CS is completely clear, but every once in a while I get a yellow batch. I haven't been able to figure out why that happens, because as far as I can figure, I am doing the exact same thing. Christiane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFree Book Available
James, I will try to respond by item. Hi Frank, et al, What is Ron basing his statement on? Since Ron has passed away, it may be best to let his book speak for him. I think you will find that CSpro believes that the sol made by their HV equipment produces very little ionic silver. The cs produced by CSpro Ultra Pro equipment that we tested is 90% ions, 10% particles. I bought one his machines years ago to experiment with a commercially available machine. I considered his to be one of the better units available. Many technical measurements have been made on the cs produced by the Ultra Pro machine. I have designed and built several generations of equipment that is based on the same HVAC method. They all produced a product that ranged from 75% to 95% ionic. Marx believes that the effects of dissolved silver are not known and prefers to avoid creating Ag + in his sols. I cannot speak for what he knows. I know of no one who will disagree with the idea that dissolved silver is much more reactive with other ions than a silver sol, and therefore has greater potential for creating undesired reaction products. Ionic silver has been responsible for most cases of argyria in the literature. I do not believe ionic silver causes argyria. If it did, I would have argyria by now, and I do not. Salts of silver and specifically silver nitrate are the probable cause. Dissolved silver produces no Tyndall effect; try it with silver nitrate of any concentration. CSpro sol demonstrates a pronounced Tyndall. An entire paper could be writen on Tyndall effect and what its relevance is to a cs product. I would not call the Tyndall effect 'pronounced', only modest for that product. A reasonably good way to quantify Tyndall effect is to use a turbidity meter and read in National Turbidity Units (NTU). Since everyone agrees that Ag + will certainly react with the abundantly present Cl minus to produce a relatively harmless and insoluble salt, first in the stomach, and, if it were to be absorbed without reacting in the stomach, then in the blood. That would render useless 90 % of the CSpro sol. My anecdotal experience with the CSpro HVAC sol shows it to be highly potent against fungi, bacteria, and virons in man. This is really a statement of how effective the 10% particles are. I believe the CSpro sol is a fine product and it's effectiveness in unquestionable good. However, I believe it is the silver nanoparticles that produce the result. Even sols containing as little as 0.1 ppm of particles can produce remarkable results. The only way to get better results is make the particles smaller and raise the percent of particles vs ions. Particle size distribution by volume is what matters (it cannot be measured using a TEM). Particle size distribution requires a Photon Correlation Spectrometer (PCS). We have literally thousands of size distribution plots made with this type of equipment. At some point these may posted on the web site. The definition of ionic has never been agreed upon by this list's participants. Webster's unabridged, 2nd Edition says that an ion is a charged atom or group of atoms, and specifically mentions the gain or loss of an electron as creating the charge. It means nothing about how that charge came to be, or other factors relevant to the behavior of the ion in any given environment. In the context of colloidal silver, ionic silver can be precisely defined and an explanation is found in the paper titled Ions, Atoms and Charged Particles available in pdf format at www.silver-colloids.com. I have proposed defining ionic, dissolved silver to mean a single atom of silver with its outer shell missing one electron, and a silver sol to mean a small cluster of atoms bearing a positive charge. A small cluster of silver atoms is a particle of silver, and it has a negative charge (zeta potential) when in a water of low ionic content, not a positive charge. See the paper referred to above. How a positive charge is generated on a cluster of Ag is created-- if indeed that is the case--is still a mystery to me. The particles are not positively charged, only the ions. The paper explains the difference between 'ionic charge' and 'particle charge' which are two entirely different things. For the past several years most writers have held that electro-generated silver sols have a positive charge and are composed of a small clump of atoms. How that charge originates has never been explained to me in a manner that I can understand. That is in large part due to my lacking a fundamental grounding in the pertinent science, but also due to conflicting assertions by highly qualified professionals. The ions have a positive charge, the particles have a negative charge (zeta potential). Again see the paper. There needs to be standardization of working definitions: If the particle is defined as the silver alone, then according to most
CSOn the Production and Form of Silver Particles in CS
In a message dated 12/31/00 11:38:05 AM EST, a...@cybermesa.com writes: Subj: RE: CSFree Book Available Date: 12/31/00 11:38:05 AM EST From: a...@cybermesa.com (James Osbourne, Holmes) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi Frank, et al, What is Ron basing his statement on? I think you will find that CSpro believes that the sol made by their HV equipment produces very little ionic silver. JOH: I have a suspicion that the production of Ag+ may be proportional to the production of NO3- which is generated by the arc in (one method of) producing CS by HVAC. Marx believes that the effects of dissolved silver are not known and prefers to avoid creating Ag + in his sols. I know of no one who will disagree with the idea that dissolved silver is much more reactive with other ions than a silver sol, and therefore has greater potential for creating undesired reaction products. Ionic silver has been responsible for most cases of Argyria in the literature. JOH: If Ivan is correct, generating Ag+ would be beneficial because this is the only form of silver which the body can absorb. If Bruce is worried about Ag+ causing argyria, I think his concern may be unnecessary because of the tiny amount of Ag+ available from CS as opposed to the virtually unlimited amount of Ag+ available from silver salts. In addition, I think there is merit in accepting the simple explanation (with regard to argyria, for example) until it can be demonstrated that a more complex explanation is necessary. The definition of ionic has never been agreed upon by this list's participants. Webster's unabridged, 2nd Edition says that an ion is a charged atom or group of atoms, and specifically mentions the gain or loss of an electron as creating the charge. It means nothing about how that charge came to be, or other factors relevant to the behavior of the ion in any given environment. I have proposed defining ionic, dissolved silver to mean a single atom of silver with its outer shell missing one electron, and a silver sol to mean a small cluster of atoms bearing a positive charge. JOH: I'm with you on that issue. How a positive charge is generated on a cluster of Ag is created-- if indeed that is the case--is still a mystery to me. For the past several years most writers have held that electro-generated silver sols have a positive charge and are composed of a small clump of atoms. How that charge originates has never been explained to me in a manner that I can understand. JOH: One of the things to keep in mind is that the silver anode should not be thought of as completely monolithic with regard to the uniformity of the atoms it contains. Beside impurities, there are atomic misalignments, and even the presence of micro-cracks. These lattice irregularities will produce non-uniform force fields which result in potential asymmetries in the local atomic structure. The net effect of which is to cause atomic clusters to break-off preferentially at the expense of those atoms which are held together within a more uniform force-field. In thermodynamic terms, the surface free energy at any given moment (interfacing with the water) is changing. This non-uniformity can account for the fact that the immersed electrode HVAC CS process operating at thousands of volts has enough potential to tear apart atomic clusters which have less asymmetry (and thus produce CS that, in general, has a smaller particle size) than that produced from a simple LVDC process. The above examination is aimed at the solid phase only, other factors can effect particle size in the aqueous phase such as stirring, and controlling current are also important and have been discussed from time to time. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHGH Info
Karl, Several weeks ago you were kind enough to post some info about HGH source. I am wondering what benefits you and your wife have found due to taking HGH. Thank you, Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOn Making CS Using AC
Hi Hanan, What they're speaking of is HVAC (High Voltage Alternating Current) at about 10,000-15,000 volts. Our generator operates on AC wall current but is what one would call an LVDC (Low Voltage Direct Current) generator. The wall current is converted to DC internally. The two types of generators are completely different in their operation. t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: rainis...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: Re: CSOn Making CS Using AC O.K. Bare with me, I'm a bit retarded when it comes to electricity, I'm very handy with plumbing though. When you speak of AC are you talking about plugging a generator into your electrical wall outlet? If so, I bought my generator from silvergen and thats what I do - plug it into the socket. Am I missing something? Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Re: CS in eyes
Hi Christiane, On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:36:47 -0800, Christiane Osowiecki ti...@peoplepc.com wrote: When I first started making CS, I was told that a brown, plastic, peroxide bottle was good to store CS in. Sometimes, I put my clear CS in it, and when I go to use it a few days later, it has turned yellow, or brown. Do you know what would make that happen? Thanks for all your help, Hmm. I have no idea why it would turn brown. I haven't checked the type of plastic bottle H2O2 comes in. I happen to store my CS in various containers -- sometimes leaving it in the 1 quart preparation container for days. The small containers are vitamin bottles (glass) from GNC, Thompson and others. They're usually brown (this is for convenience, not the color -- they're about the only small glass bottles I get). The large containers are 2 liter pop bottles, mostly green colored (my son likes Mountain Dew). -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLAST MINUTE GRANTS/CONTRIBUTIONS
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Re: CSFree Book Available
Frank, Thanks for your postings and responces to specific questions. I've enjoyed your information and am filing it for future reference. Here's yet another question. Could you give any generalities on which HVAC methods are best for colloidal silver production and how the different methods vary the results. Let's say, 10,000V and up to 15,000V for the voltage to limit the scope. I know you scientific types aren't in your comfort zones with generalities, in general; but in this case I believe it has it's place. For example, There is a both silver electrodes immersed HVAC method (which has a variable of surface area of immersed electrode). There is a one electrode immersed and one arc method (which has a variable of the one electrode's wet surface area). There is a cone method for which the wet surface area of the electrode is inherently minimized and only dependent on the geometry of the end of the electrode. The cone method, of course, is where the distance from the electrode to the water is shorter than the arc distance but not below the surface of the water. The elecrodes attract the water and pull it up to continuously touch the electrodes. I realize this could occupy a lengthy paper and I'm not trying to impose on you for that. Any experience you have gained relative to the above would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Vince Richter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSASHING
Anyone hear of or experience this with the use of CS. Supposedly something about having too much cs can cause you to leave silver residue on your bed linens. Please Respond Hanan Boy, THAT`s a new one!! Been using cs for the best part of five years now, and the only thing icky on my sheets are all the hairs of my sheddy Pug dogs! Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSASHING
So am I to assume ashing is a bunch of cockadoodee? Someone who contacted me about getting involved with blue green algae posted the ashing question to me. Sounded pretty weird to me too. Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFree Book Available
Vince, The HVAC method most often used for tests here in my lab and the method Ron Gibbs used was what you would call the 'cone' method. I can not really comment much on the other methods, other than to say we looked at them and made a few tests. Ron's machine used 10.5KV @ 30 ma. I have built and test machines that ranged from 5.0KV to 15.0 KV and tested current densities at the 'cone' electrodes that ranged from 1.0 ma to 30 ma per electrode. Ron liked 15 ma per electrode to minimize ionic, but at the sacrifice of particle size. At the time we had only begun to do particle size distribution tests, none of which made it into his book. All the real particle distribution work happened after Ron's death. along with most of the ionic project that I was working on when Ron got ill. What we did learn is that the first order determinant for particle size is current density at the 'cone' electrode. Practical values of the current is from 5 ma to 15 ma per electrode. There are many things that affect current density, such as applied voltage, geometry of the electrode, conductivity of the water (mostly due to ionic content), and temperature. The lab tests were conducted with equipment that we designed and built in our own shop. The electrode holders were made from a combination of ceramic and stainless steel and could accommodate up to 10 'cone' electrodes. A single plate center electrode that measured about 1 x 4 was situated horizontally in the water between two rows of 5 wire electrodes made from 0.080 fine silver wire. This stuff is not cheap to produce, and probably would cost several thousand dollars just for the electrode holders if someone tried to manufacture this design to sell. I can not imagine that it would cost effective. It would probably be easier to put some pictures on the web site if anyone is interested in this level of detail. The wire electrodes could be removed in pairs to adjust the total number of electrode points that would divide the current from the HV transformer. The current per electrode 'point' was thus varied by changing the number of electrodes and by selecting the current rating of the HV transformer. The transformers used are of the neon type, meaning they employ an internal magnetic shunt with an air gap to essentially produce a limited constant current output on the secondary. This type transformer can be operated with the secondary shorted and the primary current will reach its maximum value and go no higher. A normal (non-shunted) transformer would over current and overtemp and eventually burn out under the same conditions. So basically, the neon type transformer is perfectly suited to driving the highly variable load of a cs generator. I should mention that this research is years old now. All of what has been discussed above will produce cs that is 75% to 95% ionic depending on process variables. This is probably more detail than anyone cares to hear about. frank key Frank, Thanks for your postings and responces to specific questions. I've enjoyed your information and am filing it for future reference. Here's yet another question. Could you give any generalities on which HVAC methods are best for colloidal silver production and how the different methods vary the results. Let's say, 10,000V and up to 15,000V for the voltage to limit the scope. I know you scientific types aren't in your comfort zones with generalities, in general; but in this case I believe it has it's place. For example, There is a both silver electrodes immersed HVAC method (which has a variable of surface area of immersed electrode). There is a one electrode immersed and one arc method (which has a variable of the one electrode's wet surface area). There is a cone method for which the wet surface area of the electrode is inherently minimized and only dependent on the geometry of the end of the electrode. The cone method, of course, is where the distance from the electrode to the water is shorter than the arc distance but not below the surface of the water. The elecrodes attract the water and pull it up to continuously touch the electrodes. I realize this could occupy a lengthy paper and I'm not trying to impose on you for that. Any experience you have gained relative to the above would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Vince Richter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmice
I buy a product made by Catchmaster at Wal-Mart. It is a bated glue board which is supposed to be non-toxic. You get 4 boards about 4 by 8 in one package. You place them where you think the mice are and the mice stick to the board and can't get away. The mice are still trying to move when you catch them, and they die a slow death, however, you do not have to worry about where they are and how they smell if you would have poisoned them. It is also good for insects. Marilyn - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:42 AM Subject: CSmice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT: REF. LAST MINUTE DONATIONS/GRANTS
To the entire Silver-List membership: I wish to take this opportunity to express very profound thanks to the many of you who sent me emails recommending various rewcipients for a donation/grant. I received an ENORMOUS number of suggestions/requests. Every one had some merit. However, from among the many which met the legal requirementsI had to make some difficult choices. Unfortunately, with only nine awards to make---and so many qualifiers---there were many deserving causes/organizations that did not benefit. I wish we were able to do more in this area. Those among you who recommended casuses/organizations which were selected.have, already, been notifiedso each of you know whether or not your selections resulted in an award. Again, my deepest thanks to you all... and may your good wishes for others be transformed into energies directly beneficial to all. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. For any interested list members in the FT.W./Dallas metroplexthe feature article on our Prairie Dog restoration program for the Dallas Nature Center, ran in the Saturday, Dec. 30th issue of the Dallas Morning News (Metro-Section). -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS in eyes
Hanan-- What method do you use? Tx. --Russ - On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:49:46 EST rainis...@aol.com writes: I vote for clear. I use store bought steam distilled water. Never made anything other than clear cs. Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:A little humour...OT
Judith, That was wonderful, thank you. Thank you also for the food reply. I do try to eat healthy and read every label. It's just getting so hard to find anything that doesn't have something harmful in it. I also buy organic vegetables as much as possible. I have no clue where to get organic meat though, I'll have to scope that out. I also give my son rice and oat milk. They do have some here that do not contain canola oil. The Pacific brand fat free rice milk actually has acidopholus in it. I buy Amy's brand pizza and Italian frozen meals a lot. All the ingredients are organic (I hope). Happy New Year to You!! Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS in eyes
Russ, Well, .. I have a generator from silvergen. I follow the directions given. ??? Hanan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHGH Info
Karl, Several weeks ago you were kind enough to post some info about HGH source. I am wondering what benefits you and your wife have found due to taking HGH. Thank you, Nancy Hello! HGH (human growth hormone), when taken as a supplement to restore more youthful levels, will cause: 1. The loss of fat (but only if you have too much!). 2. The growth of muscle (These effects will cause you to be slimmer, but not necessarily to lose much weight.) 3. Increased skin elastisity, and thickened skin (which gets thinner with age.). 4. The regrowth of numerous organs that atrophy with age, including the thymus gland, which, as you age, will virtually disappear. It is the single most powerful thing that you can take for the apparent reversal of aging. As with anything, you can get too much of a good thing. If it is taken in excess (something that is very, very difficult to do if you take it orally in the form of colostrum), something that some bodybuilders have done by injection; it can cause permanently enlarged joints in the hands, and skull. This is because at the end of puberty, the ends of the bones permenantly seal off, so the bone can't grow longer. If it can't grow longer, it will grow outward. So far as I know, this has only happened to people taking large quantities by direct injection. With me, the muscles in the arms and legs have increased by a large amount, my stomach came in several inches, my butt rose quite a bit, 80% of my wrinkling disappeared (an effect I have not read about in the literature much). This implies that it reverses the cross-linking that causes wrinkles, something that until recently was thought to be impossible. Hope this helps! Karl Kristianson -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFree Book Available
Frank, Thank you very much. The methods of CS Generation represented on this list are many and diverse, and anyone not interested in the HVAC method at all would not be interested in the level of detail you provided. I'm a fledgling HVAC CS maker using a 15,000V 30ma neon sign transformer. I'm very interested in all the details about the options and results of different production techniques. I already found I can vary the primary voltage by installing an inexpensive 600W light dimmer switch on the primary. When I get all my metering hooked up, I'll know what variables I can control and start experimenting. I make a gallon at a time and have made a few gallons so far. It's crystal clear, approximately 10ppm by Hanna Pure Water Tester indication after about 4 hours of production with constant stirring. I don't have an idea of particle size. There is a tyndall effect which is easily seen in daylight conditions. Thanks for your info. The 15ma current density per probe is something I'll keep in mind as I try different things with the cone method. Vince Richter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
