Hi Frank, et al, What is Ron basing his statement on?
I think you will find that CSpro believes that the sol made by their HV equipment produces very little "ionic" silver. Marx believes that the effects of dissolved silver are not known and prefers to avoid creating Ag + in his sols. I know of no one who will disagree with the idea that dissolved silver is much more reactive with other ions than a silver sol, and therefore has greater potential for creating undesired reaction products. Ionic silver has been responsible for most cases of Argyria in the literature. Dissolved silver produces no Tyndall effect; try it with silver nitrate of any concentration. CSpro sol demonstrates a pronounced Tyndall. Since everyone agrees that Ag + will certainly react with the abundantly present Cl minus to produce a relatively harmless and insoluble salt, first in the stomach, and, if it were to be absorbed without reacting in the stomach, then in the blood. That would render useless 90 % of the CSpro sol. My anecdotal experience with the CSpro HVAC sol shows it to be highly potent against fungi, bacteria, and virons in man. The definition of "ionic" has never been agreed upon by this list's participants. Webster's unabridged, 2nd Edition says that an ion is a charged atom or group of atoms, and specifically mentions the gain or loss of an electron as creating the charge. It means nothing about how that charge came to be, or other factors relevant to the behavior of the "ion" in any given environment. I have proposed defining "ionic, dissolved silver" to mean a single atom of silver with its outer shell missing one electron, and a silver sol to mean a small cluster of atoms bearing a positive charge. How a positive charge is generated on a cluster of Ag is created-- if indeed that is the case--is still a mystery to me. For the past several years most writers have held that electro-generated silver sols have a positive charge and are composed of a small clump of atoms. How that charge originates has never been explained to me in a manner that I can understand. That is in large part due to my lacking a fundamental grounding in the pertinent science, but also due to conflicting assertions by highly qualified professionals. There needs to be standardization of working definitions: If the "particle" is defined as the silver alone, then according to most writers it is positively charged. If the cluster of negative hydroxyl ions said to attach to the positive silver cluster is included in the definition "charged particle" then the aggregate has an overall negative charge. In describing how CS disables pathogens, most writers describe the effect of a positive charge. If the silver clump is surrounded by negative hydroxyl ions, how does the positive charge come to bear? It has also been stated that most bacteria are negative. If bacteria are negative shouldn't they repel the negatively charged silver-hydroxyl ion cluster? Forgive me speaking so generally and for not having cites to support my assertions; the material from which I draw is not well organized, and I am presently too committed to other matters to compile and compare it in sufficient detail to offer a useful description of the different proposals. I do know that Bruce Marx of Capri, unless he has very recently change his position, holds that the sol produced by his HV devices produces very little monatomic dissolved silver. Later, James Osbourne Holmes FTNWO -----Original Message----- From: Frank Key [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>Free Book Available That is referring to the HVAC process, usually using 10,000 to 12,000 volts AC. Commercial grade units such as the Ultra Pro from CSPro uses this process. The CSPro unit is a very nice mechanical packaging job. You can also build your own using a high voltage neon sign transformer. Best if you have machine shop facilities available to make the electrode holders, etc. This is not really a hobbiest project. The serious voltages involved can turn you into a crispy critter in no time. As Ron points out, it makes a reasonable good cs product which is about 90% ionic silver and 10% particles. frank key > Found the free booklet very interesting. One question. - It is stated > "All of the highest 4-star rated colloidal silver products tested were > produced utilizing the AC process. How does one go about making colloidal > silver using AC? > > To err is human, sour grapes, da vine. > Erwin -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
