CSvisible particles
Nanometer size particles (a dozen or so atoms) are very visible at even 1or 2 ppm with a lazer. Invisible silver in water is called ionic silver. It is not colloidal. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSlaser pointers on sale
Its not hard. Just shine the beam through the water perpedicular to your line of vision. Distilled water does not show a beam. CS, unless totally ionic, does. Ions are too small to reflect that wavelength of light. The higher the ion to colloid ratio, the brighter the beam. If the CS is highly ionic and/or weak, it may require darkening the room to see the beam. The laser can also be used as a very narrow beam flashlight to see very small ion clouds [not really ions at all, but clouds of particulate colloidal silver forming from ions] It would be nice to have some sort of calibrated photo sensor to quantify the beam reflection intensity to discover what the colloidal concentration is, but as far as I know, no one produces such a device for sale to the public. I've heard rumors that one is in the works. $ Ken At 04:27 PM 12/25/01 -0600, you wrote: Hey Ken, Do you have a source that explains how to properly use the laser pointer? Thanks. Ric -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 12:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSlaser pointers on sale http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=37431 Reg $9.99 on sale now for $4.99 These are cheap and good. I've used one for years. Uses 2 AAA batteries..not the pricey button cells Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Reverse Osmosis
RO water is not reliably good enough to replace distilled. You may get away with it sometimes...but usually not, even using the same filter system and water. [and some distilled is not good enough to qualify for its label] Ken At 08:22 PM 12/25/01 EST, you wrote: Hi All, My kids just gave me a GE Smartwater Reverse Osmosis filtration system for Christmas. It will be installed soon under my kitchen sink. Can anyone please tell me if this is good or not and will it help with the alkaline/acid balance. Have many health problems and make my own CS. Thanks Mary H. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScritique please
Colloidal Silver Maker Instructions Do this any time other than the week surrounding the new moon (when the moon is overhead at noon) if you want to be successful. Also, The best time to make colloidal silver is during what is called 'the solunar period.' There are two solunar periods each day. They begin approximately 6 hours after either moon-rise or moon-set, and last for about 90 minutes. Since moon rise/set times change every day, you will have to figure out when these times are for your local area. Many metropolitan newspapers publish this moon rise/set times daily. ### Some weird inexplicable things can happen...usually turning an otherwise clear CS to yellow or violet, BUT, the most predictable factor is [IMO] temperature. Lunar cycle? Why not sunspots? Humm,maybe. Heat 8 oz distilled (not deionized) water just enough so that you can't keep your fingers in the water. (make sure you wash first.) ### Water over 110 deg F tends to make a yellow CS, probably due to excessive brownian motion causeing collisions of particles that would have otherwise stayed apart. Water that's cold has a lower saturation point that may allow yellow/larger particles to from before the ions are solvated and hydrated [simply put...isolated in small groups by orientation with water molecules so that when the saturation point is reach, they will make small crystal formations] Plug the silver electrodes into the dual female jack. Which one goes where is not important. Make sure electrodes are spaced evenly 1 apart (check with ruler and bend outward if necessary). Put the water into a glass container that's wrapped with black electrical tape to block out light. (If you're making colloidal silver by plugging in ### I have found that light makes no difference at all. [maybe UV light, but running batches with a solar panel and heating the water with direct sunlight during the run showed no negative effect at all] In fact, using a desk lamp or light box to supply a small amount of uneven heat will stir the mix via thermal water currents and help hydrate the ions so the CS will come out clear. The danger here is if the water cools off too fast and too cool, the larger [yellow] particles can form even after several hours. You'll want the saturation point to drop at a slow rate. ...in the water the color should be light yellow or golden yellow. Other colors indicate the particle size is slightly larger than the ideal size which may be due to using a low quality distilled water. ### Yellow is still small enough but no color is much smaller and [IMO] the desired size If there is no color then clean the electrodes and treat another cup of water for 25 minutes. Keep increasing the time by 5 minutes until you are successful. If you're unable to produce yellow water then try another brand of distilled water. If the solution becomes very yellow then dilute it with more distilled water so that it's only slightly yellow to insure that the solution is close to being 5ppm silver. ## The color has nothing whatever to do with concentration...depth of color has 'something' to do with concentration but is not any sort of indicator as to what the concentration is. Using this method, 25 PPM CS will look very dark brown...even tinged black, but it's not that hard to make a pretty strong and clear CS. The stronger it is the harder it is to make and keep it stable but crystal clear 20-30 PPM is not too hard and more is possible. This is one way to make colloidal silver. ## About the most primitive way...but a way. A more exacting method proposed by Peter Lindemann is to time the process for 10 minutes and then at the end of that time look closely at the water for silver particle clouds coming from the electrodes. They can be very faint looking wispy clouds and of a brown or yellowish color. ### If they are anything but white, something's running too fast. I have, however , seen white clouds coming from one electrode and golden at the other...interfacing at exact center and the CS came out crystal clear at well over 20PPM. This is very hard to see. Use a flashlight to look for them. Wait until you see them beginning (which may take 5-15 minutes more), then set the timer for another 5 minutes. Take the electrodes out at the end of that 5 minutes. This is the best method although it takes good eyesight to do it. With either method if it takes more than 25 minutes you should heat the distilled water more before treatment because heat accelerates the process. Try different temperatures up to boiling. Shelf life is at least 6 months. If the silver particles stop being suspended in the water then the yellow color will not be evident. ## The color will deposit on the storage container over time leaving the remaining clear CS suspended in the water. Pale Yellow CS still has a fairly high percentage of smaller
Re: CSBlack coating
One electrode produces hydrogen bubbles and the other produces oxygen, but it doesn't generally bubble off. Instead, it combines with some of the silver to make silver oxides which are black in color. It's harmless but try to keep it on the electrode and not in the water. Wipe it off now and then if it builds up significantly so it won't fall off. Same with any white or gray deposit. Ken At 10:31 PM 12/25/01 -0700, you wrote: My rods are coating with black gunk within minutes of insertion. Volts are 20DC, rods are 3-4 apart. I realize this is an elementary question, but my name is Watson, not Sherlock. Any suggestion? Leo -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLunar CS making
- Original Message - From: S J Young you...@konnections.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: Re: CSLunar CS making I challange anyone to demonstrate how the position of the moon in relation to the Earth can possibly make any difference to the production of CS. It would be helpful if those posting such stuff do a little research to determine if there is any scientific basis for what is claimed... Actually, various studies have shown that the moon's cycles strongly influence the behavior of humans, animals and plants. This is not strange when you consider that the moon's gravitational pull on the earth affects the tides. Our bodies are a little over two-thirds water. Why should we be immune from the moon's effects? There is a whole system of farming called BioDynamic, begun by the scientist Rudolf Steiner. This system utilizes the principles of the interaction between the heavenly bodies, including the earth, and the effects these interactions have on plant life here. Farming is very hard work. Farmers would not invest so much time and money in BioDynamic methods if it didn't have some validity. The effects of the moon can be so strong that some Rife researchers have even reported that sometimes frequencies do not seem to work as well, or even at all, during the full moon. Though the researchers speculate that this may be due to an electromagnetic anomoly, they really don't know why. However, just because they don't know why doesn't mean that their observations are untrue. We don't know the why of lots of phenomena. But part of being a good scientist is remaining open to accepting that things may happen that are beyond what you've been taught to believe are possible. Best, Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLunar CS making
In article f238izjfucppbsvakgmb...@hotmail.com, Jason / AVRA silverd...@hotmail.com wrote: To keep on topic, though, scientific research has been conducted regarding colloidal silver production and lunar events. Laboratory analysis shows that lunar events may in fact influence colloidal silver production. I've never paid any attention to time of day or phase of the moon when making CS. I use a Colloid Master with a bubbler for mixing, and I always get clear CS with TE and that comforting metallic aftertaste that tells me there's silver in it. If I've been getting variation from batch to batch it's never been noticeable. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLunar Influence on the Production of Electrochemical Colloidal Silver.htm
Lunar Influence on the Electrochemical Production of Colloidal Silver by Michael Theroux It is well known that the quality of homemade electrochemical colloidal silver varies with every batch made. While some of this variance can occur due to mechanical and/or operator malfunction, such as improper voltage due to low batteries, the use of impure waters (other than distilled), incorrect duration of electrode contact, etc., there are other factors which play an important role in producing high quality electrochemical silver colloids. The research work of Eugen and Lily Kolisko in the 1920s and 30s introduced the idea that certain celestial events had a profound effect on metals, and that the ancient traditional relationships between specific metals and planets could be demonstrated via laboratory experiment. The process of these experiments involved placing cylinders of special filter paper into dishes which held measured amounts of the various metal salts. Then, the capillary patterns which subsequently emerged, could be studied with reference to specific solar system events (a complete detailed description of the experimental process is contained in the book, The Metal-Planet Relationship by Nick Kollerstrom, available from BSRF). Early on, the Koliskos observed the effects that the moons phases had on solutions of silver chloride, and that profound effects could be viewed during lunar eclipses. This information prompted the idea that lunar influence could produce exceptional differences in the quality of electrochemically produced colloidal silver. We immediately began preparing the necessary experimental equipment for the upcoming lunar eclipse (March 23, 1997, 8:45PM PST). Two CS-300 colloidal silver generators were used for the electrochemical process and a digital countdown timer would ensure that each batch ran for the exact prescribed time of 20 minutes. The first and second of four batches were initiated just prior to, and during the eclipse, and the last two just after the eclipse. The electrodes were checked and cleaned before each batch was run to assure a consistent voltage throughout the experimental run. The water used was distilled and was provided from the same bottle, and then pre-measured into 8 oz. glasses of identical size and make. Normal batches of colloidal silver produced in this way yield a count of about 6000 to 8000 ppb (parts per billion) of silver. It had been noted with earlier batches of colloidal silver that a simple taste test easily detected differences in quality. Some batches would produce a heavy metallic taste, while others had no distinguishing differences from plain distilled water. After the eclipse experiment was completed, an initial taste test was conducted on the four batches. The first batches run just before and during the eclipse were perceptually absent of the characteristic metallic taste usually associated with a strong batch of colloidal silver. The two batches after the eclipse proved very metallic in taste. These samples along with a control were then taken to a local lab for analysis. The results shown in Figure 1 indicate that the amount of silver began to decrease nearing the eclipse, with a reduction to 1900 ppb during the eclipse. The last batch revealed a rise toward normal levels. This data strongly suggests a lunar influence on the electrochemical production of colloidal silver. But, the lunar influece presides over other factors which are a part of the experimental test setup. Most are familiar with the lunar effect on tides, and going back into the distant past, many understood that the moon exerts a powerful influence on water itself. Folklore and fact abound with tales of lunar influence upon water, moisture, and other liquids. Plutarch instructed that the full moon caused such an increase in moisture that it made timber, wheat, and other grains which were cut at this time more likely to become decayed and rotten. If cut at the new moon, they would be dry and brittle. The medieval medical practise of bleeding was to be governed according to lunar phases and their attendant proportions of moisture. Dr. E. J. Andrews, in 1960, confirmed that bleeding is worse around full moons than at any other time. Thousands of post-op records were compared to the dates of lunar phases showing a remarkable 82 percent of post-op bleeding episodes occurred on or around the full moon. Several other researchers and doctors would confirm his findings. The medicinal effects of many folk remedies were also governed by the phases of the moon due to fluctuating moisture content. Bread was said to rise and leaven better during a full moon, owing to a better retention of moisture. There is a vast catalog of such correspondences between the moon and water, and more still with recent scientific investigations. G. Piccardi, a pioneer on water structure and water activation, demonstrated that cosmic energy forces are important factors in the modification of standardized
Re: CSArthritis?....and Computers?
Greetings Tony, Try to adjust the colours and to degauss your monitor if these facilities are in-built. Computers can play tricks when there are nearby geomagnetic interferences. Sometimes, items do not show up where they are intended to be when published in the web. Please check whether there is any problem with the Visual Display Unit. With regards Lew - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: Re: CSArthritis?and Computers? Hullo Lew, I have been to your site but cannot read much because of the colour.I get a white background with a light green text. Can anything be done to get a legible screen? Regards, Tony FHLew wrote: Greetings Jonathan, A fragmented tutorial posting I salvaged from the vicious computer virus attack in the recent past, may introduce you to some of the basic aspects of Resonant Field Imaging and its complementary concomitants. For you and others who are curious, please point to: http://lewfh.tripod.com/vibrationalmedicine/ For all those who have emailed me, ENJOY. With regards Lew - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: Re: CSArthritis?and Computers? Hello, I am interested in almost anything pertaining to resonance effects apropos health. I would be curious to read any info. you have about this topic, esp. RFI. Best, JBB etc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSpeculation about variables in CS production
Since it has been demonstrated that mental activity can influence matter perhaps the mental state of the experimenter may influence the production of CS. James-Osbourne: Holmes
Re: CSJaguar brewing instructions
I agree, he is saying to find the lowest quality DW you can to make the CS. It does sound like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Marshall Terry Chamberlin wrote: Jaguar Enterprises said (from his website): After two hours when the particles are evenly dispersed in the water the color should be light yellow or golden yellow. Other colors indicate the particle size is slightly larger than the ideal size which may be due to using a low quality distilled water. If there is no color then clean the electrodes and treat another cup of water for 25 minutes. It seems to me that this fellows concept of what is happening while he is brewing CS is more mystical than scientific. I have never understood why someone would think that CS with color would be superior to clear CS. What does he think makes the color? If the only substances there are water and silver, all that could make color would be silver particles big enough to refract light. Why would anyone want particles big enough to refract light when you can make CS with particles so small they dont refract light, even with a laser light. If there is no color then clean the electrodes and treat another cup of water for 25 minutes. Keep increasing the time by 5 minutes until you are successful. In other words, keep brewing until the particles are big enough to see. Is there not general agreement that we want the smallest particles we can get? Try different brands of distilled water to see which brand best produces a yellow color when through. He is actually recommending that you find the dirtiest DW you can find. Why doesnt he just use salt? That will give him yellow CS. ..get a swimming pool PH tester from KMart and test for which brand [of DW] has the lowest PH (which is more desirable). The more acid the DW, the better? Comments, anyone? ..immerse the silver into the water up to the beginning of where they bend outward (for 1 spacing) and cover the top to block out light. Is there any reason to believe the presence of light effects or interferes with CS brewing? Brewing quality CS is easier and simpler than this fellow is making it to be. __ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpeculation about variables in CS production
Considering there are people like Uri Geller in this wondrous universe, you may have a point ;) -James - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Silver-List Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: CSSpeculation about variables in CS production Since it has been demonstrated that mental activity can influence matter perhaps the mental state of the experimenter may influence the production of CS. James-Osbourne: Holmes
Re: CSLunar CS making
S J Young wrote: I can't let this go by without commenting. In my view, the best time to make CS is anytime you need some more. I challange anyone to demonstrate how the position of the moon in relation to the Earth can possibly make any difference to the production of CS. It would be helpful if those posting such stuff do a little research to determine if there is any scientific basis for what is claimed, or if it is just some sort of wierd marketing scheme or someone with an uncontrolled imagination adding a bit of mystery and awe for some reason. See www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm The hypothesis was tested with the scientific method and found to be supported. So there is a basis for the claim. I am not sure what you mean by demonstrate how, since the above site demonstrates how to test it, but not how it is supported in theory. Most scientists seem to have lost the realization that experiment trumps theory, since now I see endless arguments that something cannot be true even though experimentally proven, simply because theory can not explain it. That is backwards, first the hypothesis experiments, then the confirmation experiments, then the theory.. However although there does seem to be evidence that the moon does have an effect if we can believe that these experiments were really run, and resulted in these reported results, additional testing needs to be done to confirm it. First it needs to be duplicated by others, and it needs to be done with double blind testing. It really needs to be done again by someone who doesn't believe in the phenomena, since it is just as likely that the expectations of the experimenter caused the difference as the planets. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlaser pointers on sale
Considering that the tyndall goes up by the 4th power of the size, it would be impossible to measure any ppm unless you knew the size and all the particles were the same. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Its not hard. Just shine the beam through the water perpedicular to your line of vision. Distilled water does not show a beam. CS, unless totally ionic, does. Ions are too small to reflect that wavelength of light. The higher the ion to colloid ratio, the brighter the beam. If the CS is highly ionic and/or weak, it may require darkening the room to see the beam. The laser can also be used as a very narrow beam flashlight to see very small ion clouds [not really ions at all, but clouds of particulate colloidal silver forming from ions] It would be nice to have some sort of calibrated photo sensor to quantify the beam reflection intensity to discover what the colloidal concentration is, but as far as I know, no one produces such a device for sale to the public. I've heard rumors that one is in the works. $ Ken At 04:27 PM 12/25/01 -0600, you wrote: Hey Ken, Do you have a source that explains how to properly use the laser pointer? Thanks. Ric -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 12:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSlaser pointers on sale http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=37431 Reg $9.99 on sale now for $4.99 These are cheap and good. I've used one for years. Uses 2 AAA batteries..not the pricey button cells Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpeculation about variables in CS production
Yep, the Backster effect! Seen it many a time. Best example is the search for buckyballs. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Since it has been demonstrated that mental activity can influence matter perhaps the mental state of the experimenter may influence the production of CS. James-Osbourne: Holmes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpeculation about variables in CS production
I have proven using a scanning spectorphotometer that one's thoughts can easily and consistently change the structure of water. And if you change the structure of the water you are using for the CS, then I would fully expect that there would be an effect on the colloidal silver production. About a decade ago when the IBM personal computer first came out, the president of the company I was working for then demanded that we ship them with our systems. Procedures required that anything we ship meet quality assurance, but the IBM personal computer was so poorly designed an built that QC would not approve it. The president forced them to ship them anyway, but I had the very strong opinion that they were all unreliable pieces of junk. Well, we all got IBM computers to work with in engineering, and mine would constantly bomb and lock up. I could not do anything for more than a few minutes without it crashing. They would ship it back and get another one and it would do the same. I would go to the other engineers offices and see if they were having the same problem, but they would all report that theirs never crashed, except when I would go in and ask, then they would crash. It got where I was not allowed in the other engineers' offices when they were working on their computers because they claimed I crashed their system. Anyway, they finally allowed me to build a clone computer for about 1/4th the cost of an IBM, and it never crashed. Finally all the computers in engineering were swapped out to cheap clones, and none of the ever crashed like they did before. It was many years before I realized that the expectation of them being unreliable was what was causing the crashes. There are many example of this, such as the cold fusion experimentation where those that expect it almost always get positive results and those who don't think it is possible usually get negative results. (that is why this is called a consensus reality, what is real is what the majority thinks is real!) Marshall James Allison wrote: Considering there are people like Uri Geller in this wondrous universe, you may have a point ;) -James - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Silver-List Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: CSSpeculation about variables in CS production Since it has been demonstrated that mental activity can influence matter perhaps the mental state of the experimenter may influence the production of CS. James-Osbourne: Holmes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLunar CS making
Marshall said it well, and is what I had in mind but didn't communicate it very well. The Borderlands article is interesting, but is only one data point. What is needed are more carefully conducted experiments, as Marshall indicates, to determine that the phenomena is repeatable, and isolating the variation to just one cause such as lunar position. Until that is done, the one experiment is statistically insignificant. Has anyone generated say 100 batches of CS all at once (same starting and ending time), with as close to the same conditions as possible in a laboratory, and determined the statistical variance of the batches with each other? If we can't generate nearly identical batches given the nearly identical conditions (same H2O, volume, electrode purity and wetted area, current, temperature, ambient atmosphere, brew time, electromagnetic and accoustic environment, (same mental attitude about each batch being brewed???), etc.), then we must first understand why there is so much variation before we can start introducing other variables such as moon gravity or whatever. One would hope and expect that such an uncomplicated procedure (e.g. simple electrolysis) could produce highly repeatable results. Then one could feel confident in doing experiments to determine what outside influences may affect properties of the brew. Sadly, the large scale laboratory tests with CS likely will never be done because those who could invest the substantial funds required would not be able to get a return from their expenditure. We may not now know how to make the best CS or ionic silver or mix of both yet, and we may never know this, but at least we can feel confident that what we do make from pure water and silver only has a high probability of improving our quality of life. It is reassuring to see the anecdotal evidence of benefits keep piling up from more and more people, and none of us are turning blue-gray! --Steve - Original Message - See www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm SNIP However although there does seem to be evidence that the moon does have an effect if we can believe that these experiments were really run, and resulted in these reported results, additional testing needs to be done to confirm it. First it needs to be duplicated by others, and it needs to be done with double blind testing. It really needs to be done again by someone who doesn't believe in the phenomena, since it is just as likely that the expectations of the experimenter caused the difference as the planets. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSebola, or close to it
Intravenous ozone or hydrogen peroxide would kill it. Ozone bagging the area will help in places there's less than ideal circulation. It also works on gangrene and everything else. Ozonated olive oil is powerful medicine too. This is prety mainstream stuff in about a third of the 'civilized world'. ciao Duncan | Necrotizing Fasciitis, and that it | was not that contagious. | | Here is a link that explains more about it. Likely you have seen it. | | http://www.nnff.org/what.html | | Does anyone think that CS would have wiped out this infection? I think | the odds are about 90 % that it would have done so, if started in | time. How about a month before ? | |Wayne | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSebola, or close to it
Duncan Crow wrote: Ozonated olive oil is powerful medicine too. This is prety mainstream stuff in about a third of the 'civilized world'. Can ozonated olive oil be made with an ozonater bubbling through olive oil, or is a more elaborate process needed. Does it have a short half life like ozonated water? Is it for topical use only? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring CS strength
Hi Trem, I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a known standard. You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and what is required to calibrate one. Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSebola, or close to it
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: Re: CSebola, or close to it Can ozonated olive oil be made with an ozonater bubbling through olive oil, or is a more elaborate process needed. Does it have a short half life like ozonated water? Is it for topical use only? Ozone must be run through the olive oil for 3 weeks without stopping. This changes the chemical composition of the oil and the oil holds the ozone. The batch must be refrigerated. It lasts for at least 10 years in the frig. I've never heard of anyone eating it, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt you if you did. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring CS strength
Hi Bob, Yes, I understand. However, the standard solutions were part of the package provided by Hanna. The problem was that the readings were NOT repeatable nor were the results ANYWHERE near the known results which were obtained from Kimball Labs. The unit did not work on CSperiod. End of story. PWT's work much better even if they do not measure the colloidal portion. At least they can be calibrated with a correction factor to get the total PPM and the readings are very repeatable. That's what counts for me and I think for the average user. I'm not interested in measuring CS to the Nth degree. What I am interested is knowing roughly what the PPM is and I want it to be fairly accurate and repeatable. That's what I get with the PWT. As I have mentioned, we use three of them to average the readings when calibrating our generators and to check against each other. They are almost always the same as far as readings gowithin one point or less usually. Why do you denigrate a very useful tool when it is so inexpensive to buy and also easy to use. Trem - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS strength Hi Trem, I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a known standard. You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and what is required to calibrate one. Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring CS strength
I realize that there are many who may know more about the technical part of making CS. I have been using CS for several years, and I use a Hanna unit to measure the CS I am making. When I start wit 0 [zero] PPM and when I remeasure the readings read 5 PPM? What are the PPM being measured if not CS? All I know is the CS I make works, and many people send me their thanks for what it does for them. I do not charge for the CS I give away, many times it is for children, they seem to get well. What can I say! Blessings Ted Trem wrote: Hi Bob, Yes, I understand. However, the standard solutions were part of the package provided by Hanna. The problem was that the readings were NOT repeatable nor were the results ANYWHERE near the known results which were obtained from Kimball Labs. The unit did not work on CSperiod. End of story. PWT's work much better even if they do not measure the colloidal portion. At least they can be calibrated with a correction factor to get the total PPM and the readings are very repeatable. That's what counts for me and I think for the average user. I'm not interested in measuring CS to the Nth degree. What I am interested is knowing roughly what the PPM is and I want it to be fairly accurate and repeatable. That's what I get with the PWT. As I have mentioned, we use three of them to average the readings when calibrating our generators and to check against each other. They are almost always the same as far as readings gowithin one point or less usually. Why do you denigrate a very useful tool when it is so inexpensive to buy and also easy to use. Trem - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS strength Hi Trem, I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a known standard. You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and what is required to calibrate one. Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCOPPER
You make it the same way as CS, obtain two 5 inch pice of 99% pure copper wire, works for me, although I don't seem to need much CC. Blessings Ted alfredo jauslin wrote: HELOO PLEASE, I WANT MAKE COLLOIDAL COPPER NOW, SOME BODY KNOWS HOW CAN I DO IT? THANKS --- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger! Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente.
CSCOPPER
HELOO PLEASE, I WANT MAKE COLLOIDAL COPPER NOW, SOME BODY KNOWS HOW CAN I DO IT? THANKS - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger! Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente.
CSBlack rods
Leo, Separate your rods further apart. Try 2 apart. Make 1/4 of your water being CS from another batch (2 oz CS mixed into 6 oz DW, or 8 oz CS with 24 oz DW). __ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCOPPER
Just like you make CS but use copper wire instead. Marshall alfredo jauslin wrote: HELOO PLEASE, I WANT MAKE COLLOIDAL COPPER NOW, SOME BODY KNOWS HOW CAN I DO IT? THANKS --- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger! Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS started too late.
Clear DayDear Listers, I have been making CS for just a short time and am now in the middle of trying to cure myself and family of our first colds of the winter. Symptoms are sinus congestion, very dry nasal passages, tight upper chest. No fevers. CS is allowing break up of green stuff. Have been taking 2oz of CS in orange juice 3 to 4 times a day, as well as using as nose spray. It has been 5 days now and only slight difference. I thought that house was too dry so now have big pot boiling on the stove. Relative humidity has increased 10% in 5hrs. Feels better. Probably just started too late. My production of CS is 8oz per batch and is clear to pale yellow. I know that the amount that I have taken is working because I now have the beginnings of a yeast infection. So have stopped ingesting CS and will continue with nasal CS spray. Will start with Acidolphilus capsules. Could there be something wrong with the way I'm making the CS? I am following written instructions. My best guess is that we didn't start taking it soon enough to stop infection until it was full blown. Any suggestions would be helpful. Am not as knowledgeable about chemistry or science as those that discuss all of the details here. I do have Rheu. Arth. and need to know about any holistic method for alkalizing my body. I had to resort to getting a shot of prednesone from the Doc just to get through all the preparation for christmas. Everyone thought it was funny that the great cook had to ask others to 'taste this' and 'taste that' because I couldn't taste anything with my stopped up nose. Thanks, Relynda Clear Day Bkgrd.JPG
Re: CSMeasuring CS strength
Hi Ted, What Hanna meter are you using? If it's the TDS meter, you'll not get very good results. If it's the PWT you'll do much better. I find it odd that you get zero reading with the distilled water. That makes me think you probably have the TDS. Distilled water usually reads from .5 to 2.0 in most when measured with the PWT cases although there are a few brands in certain parts of the country that are outside those limits. Trem - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS strength I realize that there are many who may know more about the technical part of making CS. I have been using CS for several years, and I use a Hanna unit to measure the CS I am making. When I start wit 0 [zero] PPM and when I remeasure the readings read 5 PPM? What are the PPM being measured if not CS? All I know is the CS I make works, and many people send me their thanks for what it does for them. I do not charge for the CS I give away, many times it is for children, they seem to get well. What can I say! Blessings Ted Trem wrote: Hi Bob, Yes, I understand. However, the standard solutions were part of the package provided by Hanna. The problem was that the readings were NOT repeatable nor were the results ANYWHERE near the known results which were obtained from Kimball Labs. The unit did not work on CSperiod. End of story. PWT's work much better even if they do not measure the colloidal portion. At least they can be calibrated with a correction factor to get the total PPM and the readings are very repeatable. That's what counts for me and I think for the average user. I'm not interested in measuring CS to the Nth degree. What I am interested is knowing roughly what the PPM is and I want it to be fairly accurate and repeatable. That's what I get with the PWT. As I have mentioned, we use three of them to average the readings when calibrating our generators and to check against each other. They are almost always the same as far as readings gowithin one point or less usually. Why do you denigrate a very useful tool when it is so inexpensive to buy and also easy to use. Trem - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS strength Hi Trem, I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a known standard. You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and what is required to calibrate one. Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBlack coating
Leo, use Distilled Water Only and be sure your container is clean ed -Original Message- From: Leo Regehr [mailto:leoel...@telusplanet.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 9:32 PM To: Silver List Subject: CSBlack coating My rods are coating with black gunk within minutes of insertion. Volts are 20DC, rods are 3-4 apart. I realize this is an elementary question, but my name is Watson, not Sherlock. Any suggestion? Leo -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFW: [CSCats-Dogs] Lunar Influence on the Production of Electrochemical ColloidalSilver.htm
for calculating lunar influence: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneYear.html#forma
RE: CSLunar CS making
A good doctor cures 30% of his patients simply by wearing a white coat and telling the patient that they will be better. In every severe trauma the best way to help someone is to tell them they are all right. Re-assure them, never tell them the truth, never show the truth on your face. Their injuries are such that they may die - but shock and despair will kill even when the injuries are not life-threatening. Rituals - and Beliefs - are what all people live and die by. Ed Kasper, Santa Cruz, CA. - but that's the way it is in this part of California ! Happy Holidays, Joy and Peace to ALL. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLunar CS making
Hello All...CS brews differently for me at different times..whether it is the lunar phase causing itI have no idea..and probably in truth ...no one else knows eitherRobb From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSLunar CS making Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:02:46 -0800 A good doctor cures 30% of his patients simply by wearing a white coat and telling the patient that they will be better. In every severe trauma the best way to help someone is to tell them they are all right. Re-assure them, never tell them the truth, never show the truth on your face. Their injuries are such that they may die - but shock and despair will kill even when the injuries are not life-threatening. Rituals - and Beliefs - are what all people live and die by. Ed Kasper, Santa Cruz, CA. - but that's the way it is in this part of California ! Happy Holidays, Joy and Peace to ALL. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
CSRe[2]: CSSpeculation about variables in CS production
Hello James, Wednesday, December 26, 2001, 10:43:29 AM, you wrote: JA Considering there are people like Uri Geller in this wondrous universe, you may have a point ;) JA -James Uri Geller has nothing top do with it. Quantum physicists are learning that the observer influences the observed. The outcome is different for different observers. This has nothing to do with bending spoons, whether truly done with the mind, or slight of hand. JA - Original Message - JA From: James Osbourne, Holmes JA To: Silver-List JA Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 8:38 AM JA Subject: CSSpeculation about variables in CS production JA Since it has been demonstrated that mental activity can influence matter perhaps the mental state of the experimenter may influence the production of CS. JA James-Osbourne: Holmes -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS started too late.
Hello D, Wednesday, December 26, 2001, 5:12:58 PM, you wrote: DRP Clear DayDear Listers, I have been making CS for just a short time and am now in the middle of trying to cure myself and family of our first colds of the winter. Symptoms are sinus congestion, DRP very dry nasal passages, tight upper chest. No fevers. CS is allowing break up of green stuff. Have been taking 2oz of CS in orange juice 3 to 4 times a day, as well as using as nose spray. DRP It has been 5 days now and only slight difference. I thought that house was too dry so now have big pot boiling on the stove. Relative humidity has increased 10% in 5hrs. Feels better. DRP Probably just started too late. My production of CS is 8oz per batch and is clear to pale yellow. I know that the amount that I have taken is working because I now have the beginnings of a DRP yeast infection. So have stopped ingesting CS and will continue with nasal CS spray. Will start with Acidolphilus capsules. Could there be something wrong with the way I'm making the CS? I DRP am following written instructions. My best guess is that we didn't start taking it soon enough to stop infection until it was full blown. Any suggestions would be helpful. Am not as DRP knowledgeable about chemistry or science as those that discuss all of the details here. I do have Rheu. Arth. and need to know about any holistic method for alkalizing my body. I had to resort DRP to getting a shot of prednesone from the Doc just to get through all the preparation for christmas. Everyone thought it was funny that the great cook had to ask others to 'taste this' and DRP 'taste that' because I couldn't taste anything with my stopped up nose. Thanks, Relynda Relynda: It is my opinon that the CS will not cause a yeast infection. In fact, I have seen it clear up a yeast infection with such rapidity that it is near astounding. In my own personal experience, if it were me, I would be drinking at least a pint of CS a day. Per person. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS started too late.
Relynda I wouldn't be taking orange juice when you have a cold, as it will increase mucus production. Oranges are extremely mucus forming. Unless they are picked ripe off the tree, they have virtually no Vitamin C anyway! Try taking Calcium Acsorbate - this will work really well alongside the CS. Just take them apart from one another. Snorting with CS up the nose helps too. Tracy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring CS strength
It's the PWT, and so far the CS I make has reduced scaring [ son-in-law had 23 stitches from a car accident, you can barley see the scar] and for burns it eliminates pain and leaves no scars. blessings Ted Trem wrote: Hi Ted, What Hanna meter are you using? If it's the TDS meter, you'll not get very good results. If it's the PWT you'll do much better. I find it odd that you get zero reading with the distilled water. That makes me think you probably have the TDS. Distilled water usually reads from .5 to 2.0 in most when measured with the PWT cases although there are a few brands in certain parts of the country that are outside those limits. Trem - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS strength I realize that there are many who may know more about the technical part of making CS. I have been using CS for several years, and I use a Hanna unit to measure the CS I am making. When I start wit 0 [zero] PPM and when I remeasure the readings read 5 PPM? What are the PPM being measured if not CS? All I know is the CS I make works, and many people send me their thanks for what it does for them. I do not charge for the CS I give away, many times it is for children, they seem to get well. What can I say! Blessings Ted Trem wrote: Hi Bob, Yes, I understand. However, the standard solutions were part of the package provided by Hanna. The problem was that the readings were NOT repeatable nor were the results ANYWHERE near the known results which were obtained from Kimball Labs. The unit did not work on CSperiod. End of story. PWT's work much better even if they do not measure the colloidal portion. At least they can be calibrated with a correction factor to get the total PPM and the readings are very repeatable. That's what counts for me and I think for the average user. I'm not interested in measuring CS to the Nth degree. What I am interested is knowing roughly what the PPM is and I want it to be fairly accurate and repeatable. That's what I get with the PWT. As I have mentioned, we use three of them to average the readings when calibrating our generators and to check against each other. They are almost always the same as far as readings gowithin one point or less usually. Why do you denigrate a very useful tool when it is so inexpensive to buy and also easy to use. Trem - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS strength Hi Trem, I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a known standard. You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and what is required to calibrate one. Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThe value of one experiment
Granted, the experiment by itself may be statistically insignificant, but that does not mean the experiment itself is insignificant. That one experiment can itself give rise to a reasonable belief or suspicion (and I stress the word, reasonable). And let's remember that there is no such thing as a perfect experiment or series of experiments that have all the bases covered to every one's satisfaction. Not to accuse any member of this list, but does anyone remember the movie Longitude? This guy designed a clock that was accurate enough to win an award, but the British Admiralty said the clock had insufficient tests. When the designer met those tests, the Admiralty added a few more criteria, and so on. Finally, the British parliament had to overrule its own Admiralty and award the designer his prize before he died. Let's honour interesting and suggestive data, however scant it may be. That way we stay on the leading edge. Leo S J Young wrote: Marshall said it well, and is what I had in mind but didn't communicate it very well. The Borderlands article is interesting, but is only one data point. What is needed are more carefully conducted experiments, as Marshall indicates, to determine that the phenomena is repeatable, and isolating the variation to just one cause such as lunar position. Until that is done, the one experiment is statistically insignificant. Has anyone generated say 100 batches of CS all at once (same starting and ending time), with as close to the same conditions as possible in a laboratory, and determined the statistical variance of the batches with each other? If we can't generate nearly identical batches given the nearly identical conditions (same H2O, volume, electrode purity and wetted area, current, temperature, ambient atmosphere, brew time, electromagnetic and accoustic environment, (same mental attitude about each batch being brewed???), etc.), then we must first understand why there is so much variation before we can start introducing other variables such as moon gravity or whatever. One would hope and expect that such an uncomplicated procedure (e.g. simple electrolysis) could produce highly repeatable results. Then one could feel confident in doing experiments to determine what outside influences may affect properties of the brew. Sadly, the large scale laboratory tests with CS likely will never be done because those who could invest the substantial funds required would not be able to get a return from their expenditure. We may not now know how to make the best CS or ionic silver or mix of both yet, and we may never know this, but at least we can feel confident that what we do make from pure water and silver only has a high probability of improving our quality of life. It is reassuring to see the anecdotal evidence of benefits keep piling up from more and more people, and none of us are turning blue-gray! --Steve - Original Message - See www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm SNIP However although there does seem to be evidence that the moon does have an effect if we can believe that these experiments were really run, and resulted in these reported results, additional testing needs to be done to confirm it. First it needs to be duplicated by others, and it needs to be done with double blind testing. It really needs to be done again by someone who doesn't believe in the phenomena, since it is just as likely that the expectations of the experimenter caused the difference as the planets. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
