Re: CS>Selenium??

[sol]

Can't, due to other ingredients which they contain and that I am allergic
to. I do take a probiotic. And a lot of the foods I believe you  mention
simply contain too much carbohydrate for me as well.
paula
- Original Message -
From: "Roman" 


>
> Have you tried consuming large amounts of lacto-fermented foods (plant
> and animal based) to improve your intestinal microflora instead of
> "chasing" candida with CS?





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Re: CS>Selenium??

[Jason Eaton]

Sol:

The original information can be viewed in both the EPA RISK studies and the
World Health Organization's Silver Food Additive Series document.

Unfortunately, all of my domains seem to be down at the moment, or I'd post
direct links.  Both documents can be found at our silvermedicine.org
website.

Several individuals have done significant in-vivo studies that resulted in
seemingly contradictory conclusions:

On one hand, a researcher demonstrated that selenium deficient rats could be
killed with large amounts of silver compounds injected, while demonstrating
that the same amount of silver was handled just fine by rats without a
deficiency.  Silver will bind with selenium in the body.

Another researcher conclusively demonstrated that an excess amount in
selenium can increase the risk of argyria, as silver when combined selenium
in the body was shown to deposit more silver into body tissues, when
compared with the same amounts of silver used in rats without excess
selenium supplementation.

It is likely this is a non-issue with those who have a reasonable diet, and
who do not drink excessive amounts of colloidal silver.  Remember, all of
these studies were done with extremely excessive doses of highly
concentrated silver compounds.

It would certainly be interesting to see a selenium analysis from anyone who
has developed signs of argyria.

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message -
From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Selenium??


> Marshalee,
>   I can't remember where I read about CS depleting selenium, it was an
> article or email that went into how CS ions are thought to attach to cells
> of bacteria, and the exhanges that take place that allow that to happen.
It
> was above my understanding, but I remember reading that selenium is
> involved.I was hoping someone would recognize it and know where to
find
> the original info. Doesn't turn up in a search of my saved emails, so it
> must  have been on a website.
> Several people (some I think on this list and some on CS2) have posted
that
> when they take CS or when they take a certain amount of CS orally, they
get
> thrush. I don't, but ever since I read the first post about it, I've
> wondered what could be happening, or what is different with the person,
the
> diet, the CS, that could "cause" it. I have intestinal candida, take CS to
> help with it, which it does, and have been taking it daily for about 8
> months now, and have never gotten thrush. However, people who say they
have
> gotten thrush and think it is a result of CS use are absolutely adamant
> about the connection. Myself, I believe CS kills candida, so how it would
> "cause" a thrush infection is more than I can figure. But I don't think
> these people are lying, so something must be going on. What, though?
> paula
> - Original Message -
> From: "mamapug" 
> > How can you get thrush, when CS kills it??
> > I`ve been on CS for 7 years straight now, and never had thrush or
anything
> > like it. (I did have it 24 years ago when nursing baby number 4. Before
I
> > knew about CS.)
> > Also where did you hear that silver depletes selenium? That`s a new
one...
> > Marshalee
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Selenium??

[sol]

Catherine,

Ah, so it does "use" selenium, but I misremembered the why and whatfor. Too
bad CS can't fix a poor memory! Well, it is important to take in enough
selenium while taking CS, though, huh?
Thnx for the correction.
paula

- Original Message -
From: "C Creel" 
>
> >From www.silvermedicine.org
>
>
> The body utilizes selenium to help eliminate silver from the body. Silver
> bonds with selenium ( see the Roger Altman silver elimination study for an
> example of how well the body CAN eliminate silver
> http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html ). When the body is
depleted
> of selenium, the amount of silver deposited into tissues is drastically
> increased. This was conclusively demonstrated by a researcher known as
> Petering in the 1970's.





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Re: CS>Selenium??

[Roman]

sol wrote:
> 
> I have intestinal candida, take CS to
> help with it, which it does, and have been taking it daily for about 8
> months now, and have never gotten thrush. 


Have you tried consuming large amounts of lacto-fermented foods (plant
and animal based) to improve your intestinal microflora instead of
"chasing" candida with CS?

Roman


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Re: CS>Selenium??

[sol]

Marshalee,
  I can't remember where I read about CS depleting selenium, it was an
article or email that went into how CS ions are thought to attach to cells
of bacteria, and the exhanges that take place that allow that to happen. It
was above my understanding, but I remember reading that selenium is
involved.I was hoping someone would recognize it and know where to find
the original info. Doesn't turn up in a search of my saved emails, so it
must  have been on a website.
Several people (some I think on this list and some on CS2) have posted that
when they take CS or when they take a certain amount of CS orally, they get
thrush. I don't, but ever since I read the first post about it, I've
wondered what could be happening, or what is different with the person, the
diet, the CS, that could "cause" it. I have intestinal candida, take CS to
help with it, which it does, and have been taking it daily for about 8
months now, and have never gotten thrush. However, people who say they have
gotten thrush and think it is a result of CS use are absolutely adamant
about the connection. Myself, I believe CS kills candida, so how it would
"cause" a thrush infection is more than I can figure. But I don't think
these people are lying, so something must be going on. What, though?
paula
- Original Message -
From: "mamapug" 
> How can you get thrush, when CS kills it??
> I`ve been on CS for 7 years straight now, and never had thrush or anything
> like it. (I did have it 24 years ago when nursing baby number 4. Before I
> knew about CS.)
> Also where did you hear that silver depletes selenium? That`s a new one...
> Marshalee





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Re: CS>Selenium??

[Roman]

C Creel wrote:
> 
> Dear Maia,
> 
> >From www.silvermedicine.org
> 
> The body utilizes selenium to help eliminate silver from the body. Silver
> bonds with selenium ( see the Roger Altman silver elimination study for an
> example of how well the body CAN eliminate silver
> http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html ). When the body is depleted
> of selenium, the amount of silver deposited into tissues is drastically
> increased. This was conclusively demonstrated by a researcher known as
> Petering in the 1970's.


That would definitely not be a good thing. As I've learned from Mark
Konlee at Keep Hope Alive (http://www.keephope.net/phn.html), selenium
plays a very important role in immune system and other systems of the
body. On the other hand, I have not read anything that would suggest
that silver is a necessary mineral for our metabolism.

Roman


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Re: CS>Selenium??

[C Creel]

Sorry about the name error, Maja.

Catherine


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Re: CS>Selenium??

[C Creel]

Dear Maia,


>From www.silvermedicine.org


The body utilizes selenium to help eliminate silver from the body. Silver
bonds with selenium ( see the Roger Altman silver elimination study for an
example of how well the body CAN eliminate silver
http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html ). When the body is depleted
of selenium, the amount of silver deposited into tissues is drastically
increased. This was conclusively demonstrated by a researcher known as
Petering in the 1970's.

Regards,
Catherine



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Re: CS>Selenium??

[sol]

Maia,
  I hope someone will have the information and post it. Unfortunately I
don't remember where I read it.
sorry,
paula

- Original Message -
From: "Maja Hristozova" 


> Yes, please someone clarify that - does Colloidal
> Silver deplete selenium?
> It is very important for me to know...
>
> Maia





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CS>cs and h2o2

[Shirley Reed]

   Thanks, Ken. And you are right, too much peroxide and I do make a face when 
I use it!!  Tastes very metallic, but I guess the particle size is ok so I will 
use it.  Think I will dilute it half anf half with distilled water though.   If 
no one says that is a bad idea, I will do that tomorrow and begin drinking it.  
Thanks.  pj


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Re: CS> OT side not

[CKing001]

What say,guys???
Let 'm stay?
Or do we stand Pat?

(That a he Pat or a she Pat?)

Chuck
They told me I was gullible. I believed them.

On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:39:25 -0400, INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET 
wrote:

>maybe i should tell you guys this. I'm not sure that it matters but I'm not 
>who I appear to be. this is a borrowed e-mail. i just use it for CS. my name 
>is pat I'm 18.


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Re: CS>Question - CS Dosages?

[CKing001]

On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:10:38 -0500, "Wetterauer, Letitia [MWPS]"
 wrote:

>Can people on this list give me dosages that they are using daily and PPM? I 
>am trying to figure out what I should use. 

I take a shotglassful daily, simply as a prophylactic. Haven't had any need to
go heavier, but I wouldn't hesitate if the need arose.
My stuff comes in at 12ppm on my PWT.
 
>At this site, the author gives instructions for a very cheap CS generator: 
>http://cat007.com/silver.htm He claims it makes a 5ppm solution. He uses a 
>fish tank aerator and a 6 volt converter. I have used these converters to etch 
>aluminum printmaking plates. What do people think of his ideas?

Silver generator is harmless enough. Stay away from his idea of an ozone
generator though.

Chuck
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Re: CS>deodorant effective or not

[Naomi Banta]

What they have proven about Alzheimers is that the either A. The disease
causes the concentration of aluminum or B. The mind doesn't process it with
the disease -- either way, the aluminum is not a cause, rather an effect.

Nai (works at a nursing home)

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application of that force. Wisdom is not the purchase of a day, and it is no
wonder that we should err at the first setting off. "
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Re: CS>lung diseases fibrosis, asthma, COPD etc....

[Maja Hristozova]

And I assume you are only talking abut buffered GSH?
Also what do you mean by "This has been in the medical
> research for years." Sorry, I only know that in
Cystic Fibrosis this is kind of research on the age,
so I would be very surprised if other people with lung
problems have inhaled GSH for years?

Maia 


--- Duncan Crow  wrote:
> 
> Right, just checking for a loose end - 
> Oral glutathione is wasteful. GSH is absorbed at
> less than 10% orally but 
> breathing it via aerosol you do get good local-only
> absorption in the 
> lungs or sinuses. This has been in the medical
> research for years. 
> Imagine the good it would do if the people didn't
> waste 90% of their 
> glutathione increase.
> 
> I treat the whole client by giving the precursors
> and allowing the cells 
> to do their job and produce their own. Then you
> don't miss any cells.
> 
> cheers
> 
> Duncan Crow
> 
> > As for the GSH - taking it orally is not.. clear.
> I
> > mean there are pros and cons, something to do with
> the
> > fact that when taken orally it doesn't go into the
> > cells but stays outside (which for some reason is
> not
> > good for CF). There are CF people that use it
> orally
> > with success, but others are sceptical. 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Foods, drinks, etc. that interact with Colloidal Silver?

[Maja Hristozova]

Thanks a lot
I'll keep that in mind...

Maia

--- Marshall Dudley  wrote:
> Mixing citric juices will likely create silver
> citrate at least from the
> silver ions.  There is at least one research paper
> that says that metals
> that do not normally cross the blood brain barrier
> can do so if they are in
> the citrate form, thus I personally avoid mixing CS
> and fruit juices.  There
> may not be a problem, but I believe better safe than
> sorry.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Maja Hristozova wrote:
> 
> > As I was writing the message below describing how
> > Cystic Fibrosis patients take A LOT of
> supplements,
> > minerals, and so on I realised I'm not quite sure
> > about..
> > Are there any foods, drinks, etc. that decrease
> the
> > effectiveness of the CS? Some interactions??
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Maia
> >
> > --- Maja Hristozova 
> wrote:
> > > Hello Duncan
> > > Yes, selenium is well known and taken by most
> Cystic
> > > Fibrosis people that I know. They also take
> > > additional
> > > antioxidants, almost all vitamins (C + all the
> fat
> > > solable), Calcium, Magnesium (which play a major
> > > role
> > > in many processes in the body), DHA, CoEnzymeQ10
> and
> > > some antioxidant herbs and essential oils. The
> list
> > > of
> > > daily supplements is really long.
> > > As for the GSH - taking it orally is not..
> clear. I
> > > mean there are pros and cons, something to do
> with
> > > the
> > > fact that when taken orally it doesn't go into
> the
> > > cells but stays outside (which for some reason
> is
> > > not
> > > good for CF). There are CF people that use it
> orally
> > > with success, but others are sceptical. Not many
> > > papers on that. There is a group of researchers
> > > though
> > > that investigated GSH inhalations. This is 'on
> the
> > > age' research, very new, not established but so
> far
> > > successful.
> > >
> > > As someone pointed though all these things do
> not
> > > change the genetical disorder - the CFTR channel
> is
> > > still staffed up and so far there is no cure for
> > > that.
> > >
> > >
> > > And there are other issues - mixing and
> interaction
> > > between all these supplements. The more they
> become
> > > the more you get confused what causes what. You
> get
> > > bounded by all the timing and dossages ...
> > > Just recently MannaRelief started a study on the
> > > effect of their products (mainly Aloe Vera
> based) on
> > > CF patients. So now some take these
> gluconutriens as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > I'll update later today how is Kamellia going
> with
> > > the
> > > Colloidal Silver.
> > >
> > > Maia
> > >
> > > --- Duncan Crow  wrote:
> > > > Did the cystic fibrosis treatement program
> address
> > > > the control of
> > > > oxidative stress?  I ask because there are
> > > hundreds
> > > > of articles pointing
> > > > out the culprit in lung disorders as being
> chronic
> > > > oxidative stress
> > > > (lipid peroxidation). This can be stopped cold
> > > with
> > > > cold-processed whey
> > > > and selenium, and an antioxidant program.
> > > >
> > >
> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/medline_links.html
> > > > Here's just one study chosen at random so
> you'll
> > > see
> > > > what I mean.
> > > >
> > > > The mucus and inflammation and most of the
> scar
> > > > tissue is produced by
> > > > irritation from whatever sourse and propagated
> by
> > > > free radical damage.
> > > > Glutathione increase (requires selenium) stops
> all
> > > > that and also reduces
> > > > the Th2 inflammatory cell count on favour of
> > > > non-inflammatory, reduced
> > > > damage, Th1. But since all the antioxidants
> work
> > > > together I recommend a
> > > > program of them to my clients.
> > > >
> > > > __
> > > > Monaldi Arch Chest Dis 2002
> Jun-Aug;57(3-4):173-6
> > > > Related Articles, Links
> > > >
> > > > Role of oxidative stress in pulmonary
> fibrosis.
> > > >
> > > > Mastruzzo C, Crimi N, Vancheri C.
> > > >
> > > > Dipartimento di Medicina Interna e Medicina
> > > > Specialistica, Sezione di
> > > > Malattie Respiratorie, Universita di Catania,
> via
> > > > Passo Gravina 187, I-
> > > > 95125 Catania, Italy.
> > > >
> > > > Pulmonary fibrosis can be observed as an end
> state
> > > > in a number of chronic
> > > > inflammatory pulmonary diseases. Although the
> > > > mechanisms by which lung
> > > > fibrosis develops are not fully ascertained,
> > > recent
> > > > findings suggest that
> > > > oxidative stress may play an important role in
> the
> > > > pathogenesis of tissue
> > > > fibrosis affecting apoptosis of both
> structural
> > > and
> > > > inflammatory cells
> > > > and altering the cytokine microenvironment
> > > balance.
> > > > Damage and alteration
> > > > of alveolar epithelial cells is one of the
> > > hallmarks
> > > > of interstitial lung
> > > > fibrosis. Recently, it has been demonstrated
> that
> > > > the presence of
> > > > oxidative stress may lead to the damage,
> > > activation
> > > > and/or apoptosis 

Re: CS>Selenium??

[Maja Hristozova]

Yes, please someone clarify that - does Colloidal
Silver deplete selenium?
It is very important for me to know...

Maia

--- mamapug  wrote:
> 
> 
> >   I thought I read that selenium supplementation
> is a very good idea when
> > one takes CS as the CS depletes selenium as part
> of the way it kills
> > bacteria, etc? So if one does not have a
> sufficient level of selenium the
> CS
> > might not be as effective? And I have read over
> and over that virtually
> all
> > U.S. soils are selenium deficient, so most
> americans don't get enough in
> the
> > first place. H, wonder if selenium or lack
> thereof has to do with why
> > some people experience thrush infections from
> using CS?
> > paula
> 
> How can you get thrush, when CS kills it??
> I`ve been on CS for 7 years straight now, and never
> had thrush or anything
> like it. (I did have it 24 years ago when nursing
> baby number 4. Before I
> knew about CS.)
> Also where did you hear that silver depletes
> selenium? That`s a new one...
> Marshalee
> 
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Re: CS>to find the purest!!!

[CKing001]

The only thing that is possibly "wrong" in your objectives is that you may be
focusing in the wrong direction. 

Most CS, no matter what it's particle size, is effective to a great degree. 
The BIG requirement is getting it in CONTACT with the pathogen.
Working on DELIVERY systems would give a bigger payback in effectiveness.
Thus, you see a good deal of discussion on the use of mechanical inhalers and
dmso.

Chuck
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On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 02:52:03 -0400, INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET 
wrote:

>from what I've read the higher the ppm the silver particles begin to clump 
>defeating the purpose. i want to be able to kill any viral bacterial and 
>whatever else in my body harmful. so what i have come across through my 
>readings is that because of the size of the bacteria and the even smaller size 
>of viruses it won't be or won't be as effective and killing the virus. so i 
>think I'll go with low DC voltage that seems to be the best for what I'm 
>looking for. if any of this is wrong correct me. i want to know so i can learn 
>the right  things. progress until perfection. thanks for the input.   


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Re: CS>AC DC electric

[Owen Jones]

You're off by about 100 years - It was Tesla who advocated AC; and the
reason is because AC can be "transformed" from one voltage to another
(using a transformer).  When electricity is transported over wires for
long distances the voltage must be high (thousands of volts) to minimize
losses.  This would not be possible with DC.  AC can easily be converted
to DC using diodes.  Owen

INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET wrote:

>
>
>  I have a question it is not directly related to CS but I
>  will be able to use the info at a later time possibly. when
>  Thomas Edison was trying to convince people to standardize
>  DC electric. and i think it was ??Ben Franklin?? who was
>  going against that and got AC electric standardized why
>  didn't they go with DC. from what I read DC sounds like a
>  better choice. there no change in the current. you know
>  exactly what voltage your getting. was it due to bens
>  political influence or is there a real reason.
>

Re: CS>to smoke cs or not to

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

catherine,

your absolutely right. but if i die in the process of some experiment of mine. 
no biggy. I'll talk to all the great inventors who are dead like Thomas Edison, 
Ben Franklin and the greatest of all Albert Einstein, etc. then find a way to 
invent myself back. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. but if I discover something great. 
well then great.  

Re: CS>A good colloidal silver maker

[twll]

Go with the COLLGEN2   from  www. health2us.com  
Its automatic & has a biult in PPM gauge
He cuts though a lot of the misinformation about CS
- Original Message - 
From: "Elizabeth Urra-Bazain" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 3:59 PM
Subject: CS>A good colloidal silver maker


> Hello:)
> 
> I'm new to the list. I'm sure you've covered this
> question before, but I don't have time to search
> through the archives.
> 
> Could you please tell me what kind of colloidal silver
> generator to buy, and what kind of silver to use with
> it?
> 
> What's the difference between this ionic stuff and
> regualr colloidal silver???
> 
> With SARS running ramapnat, and my income tax refund
> coming in, I want to buy a colloidal silver generator.
> 
> Has anyone any info on how effective it would be
> against SARS???
> 
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Re: CS>Question - CS Dosages?

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

http://cat007.com/silver.htm

GO WITH HIS WAY. HE'S A GENIUS. i got my whole theory from that exact article.

Re: CS>AC DC electric

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

I have a question it is not directly related to CS but I will be able to use 
the info at a later time possibly. when Thomas Edison was trying to convince 
people to standardize DC electric. and i think it was ??Ben Franklin?? who was 
going against that and got AC electric standardized why didn't they go with DC. 
from what I read DC sounds like a better choice. there no change in the 
current. you know exactly what voltage your getting. was it due to bens 
political influence or is there a real reason.  

CS>Ole Bob, cathode plating and Faraday's equation

[herx]

Hi Bob,
I've been following your recent work on current levels with great
interest.  Some may recall that about a little over a year ago, Ole Bob
tested some samples of LVDC CS I made and compared his ppm results to the
predictions from my Excel spreadsheet's calculations

http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html

The calculator's results were off by about 20% to 45% depending on the
batch, due to heavy plating on my cathode.  At the time, you and I
couldn't think of a way to mitigate the plating problem.  Unless I'm
mistaken (which my wife says happens frequently), that has now changed.

>From what I've gathered from your recent posts, my current limit was
largely to blame.  I was limiting current to 5.5mA.  I use a very large
anode, so current density was well below 1mA, but it appears absolute
current is the key to plating (treeing).  Your recent work has led me to
experiment with lower limits, and with a limit of 2.75mA, I'm seeing very
minor cathode plating compared to the higher limit.

I'd like to run some more samples for testing, with current limited to
values ranging from 1mA to 2.5mA, and see how the calculator fares with
these.  My goal has always been accuracy within 10%.  If theses tests
succeed, we can offer home brewers a way to estimate the ppm of their CS
for nothing more than the cost of a $5 multimeter.

What do you say, Ole Bob?

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CS>Re: Glutathione uptake

[Rosemarie Dubrowsky]

Hello.. my name is Roe and I am new to this list.  I have been using CS for 
myself for about a year or so, but only the store bought.  I am planning on 
making my own in the near future because I am considering using for my son 
and husband.


I am posting back about glutathione because I have run into the oral being 
wasteful in doing research for my son, who has autism.  I have, for about 
the last 9 months been giving my son glutathione suppositories just about 
every night.  I have seen some improvement in his health and connectiveness 
to the world as a result of this.  I have also been treating for things like 
parasites, yeast, etc for him and feel that this is really key for his 
continued improvement.


My 1st question is... have people used cs on their children?  My son is 7 
yrs old and weighs about 78 pounds and is 4 feet 5 inches tall. If you have 
used it, what kind of protocal is used?


Thanks for any feedback!

Roe


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Re: CS>Re: ADHD and Colloidal Gold

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

i meant to put colloidal copper. not colloidal silver.  

 i asked a while ago for info on colloidal gold and colloid silver but received 
nothing.

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CS>Re: ADHD and Colloidal Gold

[Linda Hefferman]

Ingrid here are two links about colloidal gold.  The second link will take you 
to some information about adhd and colloidal gold.  Just type colloidal gold in 
Goggle search or whatever search engine you want to use and you can research a 
lot for yourself.  I have never tried it myself but I had read about it being 
good for adhd.  Hope this is of help to you.
http://www.colloidalgold.com/ 
http://www.purestcolloids.com/adhd.htm
 Good health to you. 
   Linda J. Hefferman
 
 INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET  wrote: yes finally some info on 
colloidal gold. i asked a while ago for info on colloidal gold and colloid 
silver but received nothing. if you happen to know a link to begin my 
investigating that would be a large help. i will begin for now at ask.com - 
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Re: CS> OT side not

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

maybe i should tell you guys this. I'm not sure that it matters but I'm not who 
I appear to be. this is a borrowed e-mail. i just use it for CS. my name is pat 
I'm 18.

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Re: CS>wplot32.exe

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

as i am not sure to what a wplot32.exe i would like to read your work. you can 
send it to cashedout2...@yahoo.com
  
<>>>

Those that have the Wplot32.exe can request the data plots, if someone wants
to see and requests Wplot32.exe I will send it as it takes 380 kB.

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Re: CS>ADD/ADHD

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

yes i think i will look into that. i also have insomnia. that's why you will 
see most of my messages are done a t 2:00am and later. maybe with the 
neurofeedback i can get two birds with one stone.

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From: Wetterauer, Letitia [MWPS]
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 9:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>ADD/ADHD

Have you looked into neurofeedback training. These practitioners claim a very 
high cure rate. I have used it for insomnia,  

<<<>>>

Re: CS>Current vs PPM question for "Ole Bob"

[Robert Berger]

Hi Luara,

There has been "to much water over the dam" for me to remember what I wrote.

When I run equal sized electrodes i.e. #14 x 5" wet silver wires spaced
about 1 1/2" with constant voltage supply (anything 6v to 36v), I turn off
the voltage when the current reaches about 3 to 4 ma. The voltage level just
determines how fast things will go as will the amout of DW being used.. The
time is also affected by the inital conductane of the DW as well as its
temperature.

Once you specify what you want to do then estimates canbe made ofwhatyou
will get and the time required. There is NO
substitute for a digital multi meter. Harbor Freight Co sells them for
$3.99. That is a good deal  I have several in use and one in the box on the
shelf.

But there have been a lot of improvements since that day.

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CS>Aluminum & Alzheimer's

[Rsmip]

In a message dated 4/7/03 2:35:16 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes:

<< It is fact that the brains of Alzheimer's patients have an elevated level 
of aluminum
in them.  It is unclear whether aluminum in the brain causes Alzheimers, or 
if the
disease causes accumulation of aluminum in the brain.  Also it is unclear how 
the
aluminum gets in the brain, since I believe it is supposed to be stopped by 
the blood
brain barrier. Since there is a great deal of aluminum and aluminum compounds 
around
us and in the soil, there is likely some other unidentified mechanism at work.

One of the latest things I read was that it could actually be caused by a 
prion.

Marshall >>

HI Marshall and all;

I have avoided aluminum ever since it was linked to Alzheimer's, (a family 
problem).

Just recently I read where they are now convinced it does not cause 
Alzheimer's, but Alzheimer's allows it into the brain. FWIW

But I will still avoid aluminum like the plague.

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Re: CS>purest ever cont'd. experiment

[Robert Berger]

Well Harvey,

I have spent thousands of hours and dollars researching the making of
Isolated Silver Solution. I beleive that I have more data than anyone in the
whole wide world. I have run dozens of protocols  at least 10 different
voltages and have data plotted the "whole mess." I have yet in six years
seen anyone post a graph of the process. I even have a web site so people
can see what is possible. Unfortuinately it is not complete as I have
several other protocols that are not on there that make nanometer size
material. I don't know what to call it. It meassures like ions on my
spectrophotometer but looks like fine sand on a TEM.

I repeat I SELL NO PRODUCTS, I have no ax to grind or as Ivan said a barrow
to push. What I have is free to anyone if they will just ask.

For example those that use a pwt to measure conductance and convert that to
PPM with a factor will have a REALproblem with my latest work. Normally the
PWT reading is divided by somethine like 1.8 to get a relative PPM.

MY newest process makes a CS that has a conductance reading (PWT to most of
you) 12 for a real PPM of 12 
And in some cases the conductance is less than the actual measured Ag+ ppm.,
and it is all nanometer stuff!!!

Those that have the Wplot32.exe can request the data plots, if someone wants
to see and requests Wplot32.exe I will send it as it takes 380 kB.

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CS>Current vs PPM question for "Ole Bob"

[Sammark4]

Dear Ole Bob,

  A few years ago you posted some numbers correlating the ppm
of the CS with certain current readings.

  I lost track of your numbers, though I recall that with 1 1/2 inch
spacing (I think) a current reading of 3.3 milliamps would indicate 
an 8-10 ppm solution.

  Would it be possible for you to give those numbers again?  A friend
would like to know the target current reading for a 4-6 pmm solution.

  Thanks if you can help.  I looked on your website and searched the
archives -- no luck.

Laura


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CS>Selenium??

[mamapug]

>   I thought I read that selenium supplementation is a very good idea when
> one takes CS as the CS depletes selenium as part of the way it kills
> bacteria, etc? So if one does not have a sufficient level of selenium the
CS
> might not be as effective? And I have read over and over that virtually
all
> U.S. soils are selenium deficient, so most americans don't get enough in
the
> first place. H, wonder if selenium or lack thereof has to do with why
> some people experience thrush infections from using CS?
> paula

How can you get thrush, when CS kills it??
I`ve been on CS for 7 years straight now, and never had thrush or anything
like it. (I did have it 24 years ago when nursing baby number 4. Before I
knew about CS.)
Also where did you hear that silver depletes selenium? That`s a new one...
Marshalee


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Re: CS>CS & water storage tanks

[Robert Berger]

Nancy,

You can do that BUT you must have filtered the water so as to remove the
chlorine and fluorine as they will cause the silver to drop out as an
insoluble compound.

It only takes about 10 ppb that's right billion.

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Re: CS>Where's the article Please??

[Robert Berger]

Jim,

If I understand you correctly, you want to repalce the silver cathode with
copper.

If you do then in a little while you will have a silver plated copper cathode.

Now you savant need not question that as I use a brass brazing rod all the
time in my wide anode steup. It soon takes a beautiful silver plate. After all
the CS process is a very poor silver plaring operation.

If you wanted to inject some copper into you CS you might attach a small piece
of #14 copper wire to the silver anode, be careful as too much copper is toxic.

"Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Foods, drinks, etc. that interact with Colloidal Silver?

[sol]

  I thought I read that selenium supplementation is a very good idea when
one takes CS as the CS depletes selenium as part of the way it kills
bacteria, etc? So if one does not have a sufficient level of selenium the CS
might not be as effective? And I have read over and over that virtually all
U.S. soils are selenium deficient, so most americans don't get enough in the
first place. H, wonder if selenium or lack thereof has to do with why
some people experience thrush infections from using CS?
paula
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From: "Maja Hristozova" 
To: 


> As I was writing the message below describing how
> Cystic Fibrosis patients take A LOT of supplements,
> minerals, and so on I realised I'm not quite sure
> about..
> Are there any foods, drinks, etc. that decrease the
> effectiveness of the CS? Some interactions??
> Thanks,
>
> Maia





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Re: CS>lung diseases fibrosis, asthma, COPD etc....

[Duncan Crow]

Right, just checking for a loose end - 

Oral glutathione is wasteful. GSH is absorbed at less than 10% orally but 
breathing it via aerosol you do get good local-only absorption in the 
lungs or sinuses. This has been in the medical research for years. 
Imagine the good it would do if the people didn't waste 90% of their 
glutathione increase.

I treat the whole client by giving the precursors and allowing the cells 
to do their job and produce their own. Then you don't miss any cells.

cheers

Duncan Crow

> As for the GSH - taking it orally is not.. clear. I
> mean there are pros and cons, something to do with the
> fact that when taken orally it doesn't go into the
> cells but stays outside (which for some reason is not
> good for CF). There are CF people that use it orally
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CS>Question - CS Dosages?

[Wetterauer, Letitia [MWPS]]

Can people on this list give me dosages that they are using daily and PPM? I am 
trying to figure out what I should use. 
 
At this site, the author gives instructions for a very cheap CS generator: 
http://cat007.com/silver.htm He claims it makes a 5ppm solution. He uses a fish 
tank aerator and a 6 volt converter. I have used these converters to etch 
aluminum printmaking plates. What do people think of his ideas?
 
Thanks.
Tish

Re: CS>effects of combining CS with Ozone????

[C Creel]

Dear Jan,


  You said:


<>


  Nope.  I'd rather give you an award for being smart enough to not consume 
anything with a chemical composition you cannot ascertain:-)

Regards,
Catherine

Re: CS>acute pancreaitis-OT (larger audience)

[Tony Moody]

Hullo TJ,

Pancreatitis can often be relieved by paying attention to the "lack of 
sweetness in my life". try EFT at http://www.emofree.com


You could get him to add some freshly crushed garlic to the olive oil/lemon 
juice, which by the way, should be taken first thing in the morning. And 
chased with a couple of glasses of water after 15 minutes or so. It has to 
do with bio timing. Gall bladder has finished housekeeping during the early 
hours, the olive oil/lemon help gall bladder to push bile out, the water 
creates an urge to defecate. Garlic is a liver cleanser and  helper.


TJ Garland wrote:
I have a friend ,age 40, who is in the hospital with this problem. He 
does not drink,and according to a sonogram, does not have gall stones. 
He has a heart stent and has very high blood pressure. He has severe 
sleep apnea and sleeps with a "breather". I need some help. I have 
recommended  an olive oil/lemon juice gall bladder cleanse( in case the 
sonogram missed them). The doc said he has no cysts and it does not run 
in his family. I have recommended a heavy dose of Superfood vitamins and 
I will let him use my Zapper for possible flukes. Any other 
suggestions?  TIA


TJ Garland, CMO supplier
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CS>Blue Bloods

[Marshall Dudley]

Here is some information on the alien theory of blue bloods:

http://www.montalk.net/sociopath.html
Bluebloods

  Of all power elite, none are more powerful than the bluebloods of
  Europe, especially Queen Elizabeth. It is their genetics which
  predisposes their offspring to become type B's, and it is that trait
  which assures they remain in power. Thus, royal families
  discourage marriage outside the bloodline, for that would dilute
  the B factor.

  The term "blueblood" is also of interest in all this. Taken literally,
  blue blood must be reliant upon copper for oxygen transport, and
  various models of such blood has been formulated by
  researchers. Blue blood is utilized by tarantulas and slugs for such
  purposes, whose tissues simply bathe in the substance rather
  than being infused with veins.

  Were blue blood genetics mixed with normal human red blood, an
  incompatibility would result that would remain in the family until
  either is diluted beyond effect.  The middle zone of too much blue
  or too much red can result in hemophaelia.

  Hemophaelia runs rampant in royal families because their blue
  blood genetics has been tainted by red blood. This is not to say
  that all hemophaeliacs are type B sociopaths, but that the disorder
  is certainly a cofactor.

  Other genetic problems arise from incompatibility between blue
  and red genetics.

  For example, psoriasis has been found to be higher in type A
  sociopaths than in control groups. Also, doctors notice that those
  of high intelligence are predisposed to eczema. Both are
  disorders characterized by scaling of the skin. Type B sociopaths,
  who are intelligent versions of type A, are therefore prone to such
  scaling of the skin.

  Those descendant of blue bloodlines also have higher
  frequencies of psoriasis, perhaps confirming a link.

Also:

http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/supergrass/173/montauk.htm

It's hard to say. My understanding of it is that the secret government is not
connected with the Nazis but with world
bankers, old money and what's called the "black nobility". These were the
blue-bloods of Europe. They actually did
have blue blood, and it was not hemoglobin based but copper based. They were
semi-human. There are still to this
day, some animal species in South America that have copper based blood systems.
There was a problem with
hemophilia, and not because of intermarrying. The problem was that they started 
to
marry outside of the copper
based blood system. Hemoglobin and copper systems don't mix. That's where the 
laws
against marrying
commoners originated.

There are many more articles on the net that discuss this, but some of them are 
even
too far out for me. :>

Marshall


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CS>Test for silver sensitivity available?

[Rebecca Mac]

Hello,

New to the list.  Thanks for the great info.  Question:  A friend of mine was 
diagnosed and treated for Hodgkin's Lymphoma as a teenager about 25 years ago 
and is now suffering from a compromised immune system brough on by overly 
agressive chemo therapy.  She regularly sees a naturopath and has a list of 
foods as long as I'm tall of which she is allergic.  We are encouraging her to 
use silver in a nebulizer as an alternative to antibiotics when she gets a 
sinus/bronchial infection- which happens a lot.  One of her concers is that she 
may be allergic to silver and greatly fears a reaction.  Is there a test one 
can take to determine if one is allergic to silver?  

Thank you for you time and input.  Much appreciated.

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CS>effects of combining CS with Ozone????

[Jan Bolen]

Has anybody said what negative -- if any -- effects there might be from using 
the ozonator from a small ozone generator with a colloidal silver generator to 
agitate the distilled water as one is running it? My generator, that I really 
like because it's fairly easy to use, had the stirrer stop running (I think its 
a switch) and I'm going to send it in, but I wanted to make one more batch -- a 
big one -- in order to have enough CS to tide me over until I get it back. I 
happened upon the bright idea (or maybe not so bright) of using the bubbler 
from my ozone generator (a small one, good only for ozonating H2O).  I got a 
liquid that was slightly yellowish, but there were no gray fuzzies on the 
posts. I will not use that liquid unless I can be reassured that it's okay.  
Does anyone want to tell me how stupid I am?

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Re: CS>help me make the most perfect CS EVER

[Marshall Dudley]

Ode Coyote wrote:

>   Interestingly, Hindu deities are often depicted as being quite blue while
> everyone around them appears like regular people.
>   Did they use silverware?

No the dieties would have been aliens, possibly with the copper based blood that
the royalty also had by either cross breeding or genetic tampering according to
one of the theories I posted.

Or, it could be meaningless.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Where's the article Please??

[Marshall Dudley]

Ode Coyote wrote:

>There is a silver bonded to copper bar that's marketed to toss into
> swimming pools. The dissimilar metals apparently generate a small current
> that deposits metal ions into the pool water in the presence of less than
> usual levels of chlorine.
>   Both silver and copper ions have the ability to control bacteria and slime.
>   Very expensive IMO

http://algaebar.com

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Re: CS>Foods, drinks, etc. that interact with Colloidal Silver?

[Marshall Dudley]

Mixing citric juices will likely create silver citrate at least from the
silver ions.  There is at least one research paper that says that metals
that do not normally cross the blood brain barrier can do so if they are in
the citrate form, thus I personally avoid mixing CS and fruit juices.  There
may not be a problem, but I believe better safe than sorry.

Marshall

Maja Hristozova wrote:

> As I was writing the message below describing how
> Cystic Fibrosis patients take A LOT of supplements,
> minerals, and so on I realised I'm not quite sure
> about..
> Are there any foods, drinks, etc. that decrease the
> effectiveness of the CS? Some interactions??
> Thanks,
>
> Maia
>
> --- Maja Hristozova  wrote:
> > Hello Duncan
> > Yes, selenium is well known and taken by most Cystic
> > Fibrosis people that I know. They also take
> > additional
> > antioxidants, almost all vitamins (C + all the fat
> > solable), Calcium, Magnesium (which play a major
> > role
> > in many processes in the body), DHA, CoEnzymeQ10 and
> > some antioxidant herbs and essential oils. The list
> > of
> > daily supplements is really long.
> > As for the GSH - taking it orally is not.. clear. I
> > mean there are pros and cons, something to do with
> > the
> > fact that when taken orally it doesn't go into the
> > cells but stays outside (which for some reason is
> > not
> > good for CF). There are CF people that use it orally
> > with success, but others are sceptical. Not many
> > papers on that. There is a group of researchers
> > though
> > that investigated GSH inhalations. This is 'on the
> > age' research, very new, not established but so far
> > successful.
> >
> > As someone pointed though all these things do not
> > change the genetical disorder - the CFTR channel is
> > still staffed up and so far there is no cure for
> > that.
> >
> >
> > And there are other issues - mixing and interaction
> > between all these supplements. The more they become
> > the more you get confused what causes what. You get
> > bounded by all the timing and dossages ...
> > Just recently MannaRelief started a study on the
> > effect of their products (mainly Aloe Vera based) on
> > CF patients. So now some take these gluconutriens as
> > well.
> >
> > I'll update later today how is Kamellia going with
> > the
> > Colloidal Silver.
> >
> > Maia
> >
> > --- Duncan Crow  wrote:
> > > Did the cystic fibrosis treatement program address
> > > the control of
> > > oxidative stress?  I ask because there are
> > hundreds
> > > of articles pointing
> > > out the culprit in lung disorders as being chronic
> > > oxidative stress
> > > (lipid peroxidation). This can be stopped cold
> > with
> > > cold-processed whey
> > > and selenium, and an antioxidant program.
> > >
> > http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/medline_links.html
> > > Here's just one study chosen at random so you'll
> > see
> > > what I mean.
> > >
> > > The mucus and inflammation and most of the scar
> > > tissue is produced by
> > > irritation from whatever sourse and propagated by
> > > free radical damage.
> > > Glutathione increase (requires selenium) stops all
> > > that and also reduces
> > > the Th2 inflammatory cell count on favour of
> > > non-inflammatory, reduced
> > > damage, Th1. But since all the antioxidants work
> > > together I recommend a
> > > program of them to my clients.
> > >
> > > __
> > > Monaldi Arch Chest Dis 2002 Jun-Aug;57(3-4):173-6
> > > Related Articles, Links
> > >
> > > Role of oxidative stress in pulmonary fibrosis.
> > >
> > > Mastruzzo C, Crimi N, Vancheri C.
> > >
> > > Dipartimento di Medicina Interna e Medicina
> > > Specialistica, Sezione di
> > > Malattie Respiratorie, Universita di Catania, via
> > > Passo Gravina 187, I-
> > > 95125 Catania, Italy.
> > >
> > > Pulmonary fibrosis can be observed as an end state
> > > in a number of chronic
> > > inflammatory pulmonary diseases. Although the
> > > mechanisms by which lung
> > > fibrosis develops are not fully ascertained,
> > recent
> > > findings suggest that
> > > oxidative stress may play an important role in the
> > > pathogenesis of tissue
> > > fibrosis affecting apoptosis of both structural
> > and
> > > inflammatory cells
> > > and altering the cytokine microenvironment
> > balance.
> > > Damage and alteration
> > > of alveolar epithelial cells is one of the
> > hallmarks
> > > of interstitial lung
> > > fibrosis. Recently, it has been demonstrated that
> > > the presence of
> > > oxidative stress may lead to the damage,
> > activation
> > > and/or apoptosis of
> > > alveolar epithelial cells either directly, through
> > > an imbalanced
> > > intracellular redox equilibrium, or indirectly, by
> > > activating redox-
> > > sensitive effector pathways, such as transcription
> > > factors and
> > > angiotensin converting enzyme, increasing the
> > > conversion of
> > > angiotensinogen into angiotensin II that can be
> > > considered a mediator of
> > > oxidative stress, capable o

Re: CS>help me make the most perfect CS EVER

[Marshall Dudley]

Also the silver was not pure, it was a mixture of silver and copper.  We know
already that such a mixture creates currents that will cause electrolytic
production of colloid that will kill pathogens and algae.

Marshall

Albert Peirce wrote:

> Bob, be a little fairer to your readers. I have not done my homework on when
> the milk pail or bucket was standardised, or when tin plating was
> commonplace, but what you are implying is that there was an electrolytic
> reaction between the bucket and the silver dollar. The water buckets and
> milk pails were not made of plastic, glass or clay, and no matter what they
> were (copper, iron, tin plate or zinc plate) there was some form of
> electrolysis.
> Regards, Al...
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert Berger" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>help me make the most perfect CS EVER
>
> > Greetings CS'ers,
> >
> > Now about silver in water. I have reported several times on this list of
> my
> > personal experience with silver in water so here is it again..
> >
> > While living in Honduras I took a sample of our off the mountain
> unprocessed
> > drinking water to our research laboratory to run a silver effectiveness
> study. Dr.
> > wArren our research pathologist have 12 petri dishes prepared with beef
> broth,
> > peptone and augar prepare for me.
> >
> > The sample was divide into three parts:
> > 1. untreated and a 1, 10, 100, and 1000 dilution series were streaked on
> to one set
> > of the petri dishes.
> >
> > 2. Sample #2 was stirred with a silver rod for about one minute and then a
> similar
> > dilution series were made.
> >
> > 3. Sample #3 was stirred with two silver wires connected to the ends of a
> standard
> > "D" battery, then a third series was made.
> >
> > After 24 hours of incubation the results were as follows:
> >
> > #1 even the 1000 to 1 sample was covered with bacteria colonies.
> >
> > #2 the 1000 to 1 was clean and the 100 to 1 had a few colonies.
> >
> > #3 none of the samples had any colonies!!!
> >
> > Now for some Americana. Check your history when the pioneers crossed the
> west in
> > covered wagons every milk bucket and water bucket had a silver dollar in
> then to
> > keep the milk and water clean!!!
> >
> > Do you home work.
> >
> >
> > "Ole Bob"
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CS>help me make the most perfect CS EVER

[Marshall Dudley]

Denise Every wrote:

> < will have little if any change but i ask you to explain why the "blue
> skins" eating off of SILVERware, real silver ware survived plagues?
> the blue skins nicknamed due to there amount of silver intake causeing
> the graying of the skin hence blue skins had no battery or any
> mechanical ways to produce CS or did they? >>  I've never heard of
> "blueskins" before, or this statemetn about them surviving plagues...
> can you send links to elucidate?

They were called blue bloods.  There are 3 or more theories as to why
they were called blue bloods.  One is similar to what you write, that is
that they drunk juice from silver goblets, and the citric acid reacted
with the silver creating silver citrate, which can cause argyria.

A second theory is that inbreeding caused hemophilia as well as a bluish
cast.

The third theory I have read is that they had alien blood in them, which
supposedly was copper based, instead of iron based, making them blue
instead of pink.

As far as them surviving the plague, there could be several causes.
They lived in areas where there were few if any rats, thus no rat fleas
to spread it to them.  Or they had sufficient silver citrate or
deposited silver in their system to keep them from getting it. Or they
were genetically indisposed to getting it either through inbreeding, or
alien genes.

Marshall

RE: CS>OT garden mulching

[llarabie]

It is best to use organic mater as mulch as there may be some gassing off of
petro products from the carpet but I doubt there is any pesticide or led in
the carpet.

Louise
  -Original Message-
  From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com]
  Sent: April 7, 2003 2:00 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>OT garden mulching


  I wouldn't recommend old carpet for gardening.
  Carpet tends to collect things in it over the years like lead, pesticides,
  whatever was on one's feet.

  Old carpet is often high in toxic waste...

CS>ADD/ADHD

[Wetterauer, Letitia [MWPS]]

Have you looked into neurofeedback training. These practitioners claim a very 
high cure rate. I have used it for insomnia, which I developed from adrenal 
fatigue and got some pretty amazing changes in the rest of my life along with 
restored sleep. I am much calmer altogether now and function better at work and 
just about everywhere. It is supposed to help lower demand for cortisol and the 
changes are said to be permanent. In fact practitioners make many broad health 
claims for it ranging from lowering blood pressure to improved intelligence.

Check out the book "Getting Rid of Ritalin." 

Tish


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Re: CS>to smoke CS or not to

[C Creel]

Dear Ingrid,


  You said:


<>



   **  Let's think about this for a minute.  A cigarette is dipped in an ionic 
or colloidal silver solution and dried overnight.  You are left with silver 
particles clinging to your cigarette.  Now, you light the cigarette.  You 
inhale. Where's the vehicle for the silver ions?  Is it the smoke?  What 
happens to the ions when they come in contact smoldering fire?  Is silver so 
stable that nothing changes it?  What happens to the particles that are burned?

  I think you are going to accidentally kill or maim yourself someday.  You may 
want to leave the experimenting to those with some ability to properly 
speculate outcomes.

  Do you want to treat your lungs with CS?  Use a nebulizer.  There is plentry 
of info on how to do that in the archives.

Regards,
Catherine

Re: CS>Where's the article Please??

[Jim]

Speaking of Copper, I've heard that copper is an essential element that 
our body needs and that we don't get nearly enough of it in our diets. 
I wear a 99% pure copper bracelet to offset arthritis pain, (don't 
laugh, it works), the copper is absorbed through the skin.  My question 
is can the silver rod in my CS generator be replaced with pure copper to 
add copper to the CS?


Jim

Ode Coyote wrote:
  There is a silver bonded to copper bar that's marketed to toss into 
swimming pools. The dissimilar metals apparently generate a small 
current that deposits metal ions into the pool water in the presence of 
less than usual levels of chlorine.
 Both silver and copper ions have the ability to control bacteria and 
slime.

 Very expensive IMO

 Seems like one could take a sheet of copper and heat it enough to melt 
silver onto one side and get the same thing.  An old electric stove 
element set on high should do it.


 There are also a few copper ion generation filter systems on the 
market...REALLY pricey!


 Long ago [late 70s/ early 80s?] there was a solar float being marketed 
that released metallic ions that sold for $300.  Don't know what 
metal...probably copper.
 A chunk of styrofoam, a solar panel [such as a solar battery charger]  
and some house wiring oughta do that OK.


 Zinc also has the same anti microbial properties in ionic form.
Ken

At 01:14 PM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:


Hi again:)

I noticed in the first two digest emails I received
that someone referred to an article on CS uses. Could
someone please point me to the article, repost it or
give ma a link?? I'm really interested in all it can
be used for...

Hmmm..I've heard it makes a good spray for your
swimming pool to cut down in stuff in your pool. Does
anyone know if you can buy a filter with silver for
the swimming pool???

Maybe one of you brainy inventor types could come up
with one;)

Thx
Liz

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Re: CS>help me make the most perfect CS EVER

[Ode Coyote]

  That would be "blue bloods", a term related to royal blood lines...not 
"blue skins"

 They were called blue bloods long before colloidal silver hit the scene.
They did often use silver ware.  Who knows what color their skin was, why 
it was that blue color, if it was, or how much silver they injested or 
retained?


It's possible they survived the plagues more often than their peasant 
counterparts [if that's even true] because they were cleaner, stayed away 
from the populace and ate  better and were more healthy to start with.
 Silver may or may not have had anything at all to do with it 'IF' there 
is any basis to the 'belief' that the royals did enjoy a higher survival 
rate or lower infection rate.  This is an unknown... a myth based on a lose 
relationship of elements that no one 'knows' are really related.  Myths may 
or may not have any relationship to fact.  It's not required that they do 
or don't.


It would be a good thing to check out the first assumption [that blue 
bloods did survive better than the populace] before starting to believe the 
rest of the story. A lot of them DIDN'T survive.   At least that can 
probably be determined.


 In those days, taking a bath was believed to be unhealthy...probably 
because everyone used the same bathwater, not because taking a bath will 
kill ya.


Interestingly, Hindu deities are often depicted as being quite blue while 
everyone around them appears like regular people.

 Did they use silverware?
Ken


At 05:31 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
i will take into consideration that leaving a silver coin in water will 
have little if any change but i ask you to explain why the "blue skins" 
eating off of SILVERware, real silver ware survived plagues? the blue 
skins nicknamed due to there amount of silver intake causeing the graying 
of the skin hence blue skins had no battery or any mechanical ways to 
produce CS or did they?


- Original Message -
From: Ode Coyote
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>help me make the most perfect CS EVER

   The reason that using 6 volts works so well but takes longer that 27
volts is that the lower voltage draws less current.
  If you use a constant current generator, it lowers the voltage for you
automatically as the process goes.
  Essentially, as the CS gets stronger, the voltage gets weaker and
releases ions at a constant [preferably slow] rate.
  The major keys to making small particle CS is controlled current taylored
to your specific electrode surface area and spacing...and even distribution
of the ions as they are released. [stirring]
  A silver coin will sit in plain water for centuries virtually
unchanged.  Why would drinking that water do anything?
AC [alternating current] means that the electricity reverses polarity at
some frequency...60 times per second in America, 50 times per second in 
Europe.

  DC [direct current] does not change polarity.
  AC and DC are two different animals like a zebra and a mule that both
look like horses...no equivalency to chart other than they both can pull a
plow.
Other than variations in dissolved gasses due to atmospheric conditions,
water is still H2O just like it was for the Egyptions.  Hydrogen and oxygen
haven't changed.
  It  was  probably a global weather shift that made the desert, though
over grazing has fairly recently expanded it.
  That area is still pretty much like it was for the old Egyptians. They
didn't create that desert.
  That's not to say that people "can't" make a desert.
Something major happened world wide about 15,000 - 20,000 years ago. It
"might" have been people related.  Possibly a big nuke war. Not so much too
many people, just some very mean ones.
  Or it could have been a meteor strike.
ken



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Re: CS>CS and H2o2

[Ode Coyote]

  I once used peroxide as a means to raise the initial conductivity of the 
water when making CS. [aka "seeding"..sorta]

  Never again!
It made some very nice shiny silver metal flakes suitable for a custom 
paint job or one of those snow scene paper weights, but not suitable for 
consumption.

ken

At 05:14 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
very funny your thinking of useing h202 with CS. last night i made CS with 
h2o2 rather than useing distilled water. i'm not sure of my result. it 
just appeared to clean one electrode and turn the other electrode a white 
then a light yellow. and that's pretty much it. if anyone has done this or 
has knowledge on the subject please share.


amazeing how 1 atom extra in h2o (to make h2o2) will cause such a difference.

- Original Message -
From: Shirley Reed
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS and H2o2

   Dear list members:   I accidentally left my Beck silver pulser running 
too long while making a quart of cs.  Lots too long.  Quite a gold 
color.  I am now adding peroxide to it to see if I can get a clear 
color.  Question is Will this brew be suitable for internal ingestion 
even if it does turn clear?  Or should I relegate it to the external use 
only jar?  Thanks.  pjps  I had used boiling distilled water at the 
beginning of the process.  Maybe I should just throw it out?




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Re: CS>deodorant effective or not

[Ode Coyote]

 Aluminum is the third most common element on this planet.
ken

At 05:03 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
It is fact that the brains of alzheimers patients have an elevated level 
of aluminum
in them.  It is unclear whether aluminum in the brain causes alheimzers, 
or if the
disease causes accumulation of aluminum in the brain.  Also it is unclear 
how the
aluminum gets in the brain, since I believe it is suppose to be stopped by 
the blood
brain barrier. Since there is a great deal of aluminum and aluminum 
compounds around

us and in the soil, there is likely some other unidentified mechanism at work.

One of the latest things I read was that it could actually be caused by a 
prion.


Marshall

Jack Dayton wrote:

> > In what form? There is a lot of aluminum in the earth's crust.  I am 
not aware
> > of any significant toxicity unless it gets through the blood brain 
barrier.

> >
> > Marshall
> **
>
> Many years ago, before desk top computers,
> I read an article condemning aluminum as a
> possible cause of Alzheimers - I have never
> used an antiperspirant since --
> even if that were not true, think of the
> money I have saved. :-)
>
> Jack
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Re: CS>Where's the article Please??

[Ode Coyote]

  There is a silver bonded to copper bar that's marketed to toss into 
swimming pools. The dissimilar metals apparently generate a small current 
that deposits metal ions into the pool water in the presence of less than 
usual levels of chlorine.

 Both silver and copper ions have the ability to control bacteria and slime.
 Very expensive IMO

 Seems like one could take a sheet of copper and heat it enough to melt 
silver onto one side and get the same thing.  An old electric stove element 
set on high should do it.


 There are also a few copper ion generation filter systems on the 
market...REALLY pricey!


 Long ago [late 70s/ early 80s?] there was a solar float being marketed 
that released metallic ions that sold for $300.  Don't know what 
metal...probably copper.
 A chunk of styrofoam, a solar panel [such as a solar battery 
charger]  and some house wiring oughta do that OK.


 Zinc also has the same anti microbial properties in ionic form.
Ken

At 01:14 PM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Hi again:)

I noticed in the first two digest emails I received
that someone referred to an article on CS uses. Could
someone please point me to the article, repost it or
give ma a link?? I'm really interested in all it can
be used for...

Hmmm..I've heard it makes a good spray for your
swimming pool to cut down in stuff in your pool. Does
anyone know if you can buy a filter with silver for
the swimming pool???

Maybe one of you brainy inventor types could come up
with one;)

Thx
Liz

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Re: CS>lung diseases fibrosis, asthma, COPD etc....

[CKing001]

Check out www.beyond-a-century.com

Chuck
You don't get old, you just become a classic.

On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 11:09:08 +, "Jonathan B. Britten"
 wrote:

>R.e. whey protein,  I am looking for a cheap source.  I get Weider brand
>at Costco in Japan for about US $32 bucks per 820 grams.   If any
>vendors on this list have a first-rate source of lower-cost whey
>protein, I would be most interested in being contacted off list.   
>
>Duncan Crows page on this was very enlightening and I recommend it.   
>
>JBB


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V103 #201

[Del Oneal]

 I strongly recomend, you do not overlook the power of
reflexology,Mildred Carter was one of the best on this.I have
experienced it's healing powers, my self & my famely.

thank you, Del

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I have a friend ,age 40, who is in the hospital with this problem. He does 
not drink,and according to a sonogram, does not have gall stones. He has a 
heart stent and has very high blood pressure. He has severe sleep apnea and 
sleeps with a "breather". I need some help. I have recommended  an olive 
oil/lemon juice gall bladder cleanse( in case the sonogram missed them). The 
doc said he has no cysts and it does not run in his family. I have 
recommended a heavy dose of Superfood vitamins and I will let him use my 
Zapper for possible flukes. Any other suggestions?  TIA


TJ Garland, CMO supplier
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Hi Ingrid,
DC Direct current is what flows from a battery, sort of like a steady, 
constant stream of water from a hose.
AC Altenating current is what emerges from the house wiring and is more like 
water from a piston pump. There is a steady but pulsing nature to it. You 
might notice things like fluorescent lamps humming caused by ac.


Current flows, and is measured in amperes, (amps) Sort of like buckets per 
minute


Voltage exists, and is analagous to pressure, which has the potential to push.

There is a relationship between ac volts and dc volts and it is how they 
relate to each other in terms of effective 'pressure'. An ac voltmeter 
measures the peak to peak voltage and automatically multiplies the answer by 
0.707 to display the equivalent dc voltage.
Your house power of 110 volts ac has a peak to peak of about 155v but is 
equivalent to battery voltage of 110v dc

OK.
Tony





INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET wrote:
 
 


just for the record: this whole theory is JUST a theory

but maybe it could be onto something. cross your fingers. perfect CS
here I come!

just a note to add to my theory... the rain forest story I forgot to
put down that I want to experiment ,in the later experiments when I
have the "proper" equipment, to maintain a mean temp. of a rain
forest of the Egyptian time frame IF the during the time frame of
the Egyptian CS it was STILL a rain forest. and not a desert all
ready, theoretically. or vice versa.

I will use both temperatures. a desert temp and a rainforest and
just because it seems like a good idea an average temperature of the
two. then i will also make CS at the temp. of 33 degrees Fahrenheit
because as my research began waters most powerful "life
force/energy" is just before freezing, hence 33 degrees. then I will
do a mean temp of the three temperatures. because it just sounds
like a good idea.  


 in my CS generator I plan to use only 1 9 volt battery hooked up
to two . silver electrodes in about 8 oz of high quality H2O
 possibly found. (distilled) if i could make my own
water it would be even better but i can't but i have heard that
combining hydrogen and oxygen in a container than igniting the two
creates water. but that's just here-say.

then when I find out the conversion for AC to DC and vice versa to
use the one with the lowest electrical current that way it has a
lesser if any interaction with any natural magnetic fields created
by gravity and so on and so forth. so that nature can set and find
its own course for it's perfect current to begin the process of
making the perfect silver colloid.

then from these tests I plan to use a mineral water known as miracle
of life which is an ionic mineral. you may remember me asking for
info on ionic minerals. (side note: NONE RECIEVED)

you may ask your self why would a person use an ionic mineral water
to make CS when it has already been strong

Re: CS>CS and H2o2

[Ode Coyote]

  Water temperatures over about 110 deg F are not recommeded for that 
reason.  Probably excessive Brownian motion causes particle collisions if 
there are enough of them to collide.
 About 8 drops of h2o2 will probably clear it up in a day or so.  Too much 
and you'll definitely make faces when you use it.

Ken


At 11:44 AM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
   Dear list members:   I accidentally left my Beck silver pulser running 
too long while making a quart of cs.  Lots too long.  Quite a gold 
color.  I am now adding peroxide to it to see if I can get a clear 
color.  Question is Will this brew be suitable for internal ingestion 
even if it does turn clear?  Or should I relegate it to the external use 
only jar?  Thanks.  pjps  I had used boiling distilled water at the 
beginning of the process.  Maybe I should just throw it out?




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CS>Foods, drinks, etc. that interact with Colloidal Silver?

[Maja Hristozova]

As I was writing the message below describing how
Cystic Fibrosis patients take A LOT of supplements,
minerals, and so on I realised I'm not quite sure
about..
Are there any foods, drinks, etc. that decrease the
effectiveness of the CS? Some interactions??
Thanks,

Maia


--- Maja Hristozova  wrote:
> Hello Duncan
> Yes, selenium is well known and taken by most Cystic
> Fibrosis people that I know. They also take
> additional
> antioxidants, almost all vitamins (C + all the fat
> solable), Calcium, Magnesium (which play a major
> role
> in many processes in the body), DHA, CoEnzymeQ10 and
> some antioxidant herbs and essential oils. The list
> of
> daily supplements is really long. 
> As for the GSH - taking it orally is not.. clear. I
> mean there are pros and cons, something to do with
> the
> fact that when taken orally it doesn't go into the
> cells but stays outside (which for some reason is
> not
> good for CF). There are CF people that use it orally
> with success, but others are sceptical. Not many
> papers on that. There is a group of researchers
> though
> that investigated GSH inhalations. This is 'on the
> age' research, very new, not established but so far
> successful. 
> 
> As someone pointed though all these things do not
> change the genetical disorder - the CFTR channel is
> still staffed up and so far there is no cure for
> that.
> 
> 
> And there are other issues - mixing and interaction
> between all these supplements. The more they become
> the more you get confused what causes what. You get
> bounded by all the timing and dossages ...
> Just recently MannaRelief started a study on the
> effect of their products (mainly Aloe Vera based) on
> CF patients. So now some take these gluconutriens as
> well. 
> 
> I'll update later today how is Kamellia going with
> the
> Colloidal Silver. 
> 
> Maia
> 
> --- Duncan Crow  wrote:
> > Did the cystic fibrosis treatement program address
> > the control of 
> > oxidative stress?  I ask because there are
> hundreds
> > of articles pointing 
> > out the culprit in lung disorders as being chronic
> > oxidative stress 
> > (lipid peroxidation). This can be stopped cold
> with
> > cold-processed whey 
> > and selenium, and an antioxidant program.
> >
> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/medline_links.html
> > Here's just one study chosen at random so you'll
> see
> > what I mean.
> > 
> > The mucus and inflammation and most of the scar
> > tissue is produced by 
> > irritation from whatever sourse and propagated by
> > free radical damage. 
> > Glutathione increase (requires selenium) stops all
> > that and also reduces 
> > the Th2 inflammatory cell count on favour of
> > non-inflammatory, reduced 
> > damage, Th1. But since all the antioxidants work
> > together I recommend a 
> > program of them to my clients.
> > 
> > __
> > Monaldi Arch Chest Dis 2002 Jun-Aug;57(3-4):173-6
> > Related Articles, Links 
> >  
> > Role of oxidative stress in pulmonary fibrosis.
> > 
> > Mastruzzo C, Crimi N, Vancheri C.
> > 
> > Dipartimento di Medicina Interna e Medicina
> > Specialistica, Sezione di 
> > Malattie Respiratorie, Universita di Catania, via
> > Passo Gravina 187, I-
> > 95125 Catania, Italy.
> > 
> > Pulmonary fibrosis can be observed as an end state
> > in a number of chronic 
> > inflammatory pulmonary diseases. Although the
> > mechanisms by which lung 
> > fibrosis develops are not fully ascertained,
> recent
> > findings suggest that 
> > oxidative stress may play an important role in the
> > pathogenesis of tissue 
> > fibrosis affecting apoptosis of both structural
> and
> > inflammatory cells 
> > and altering the cytokine microenvironment
> balance.
> > Damage and alteration 
> > of alveolar epithelial cells is one of the
> hallmarks
> > of interstitial lung 
> > fibrosis. Recently, it has been demonstrated that
> > the presence of 
> > oxidative stress may lead to the damage,
> activation
> > and/or apoptosis of 
> > alveolar epithelial cells either directly, through
> > an imbalanced 
> > intracellular redox equilibrium, or indirectly, by
> > activating redox-
> > sensitive effector pathways, such as transcription
> > factors and 
> > angiotensin converting enzyme, increasing the
> > conversion of 
> > angiotensinogen into angiotensin II that can be
> > considered a mediator of 
> > oxidative stress, capable of inducing apoptosis.
> > Furthermore, it has been 
> > demonstrated that angiotensin II acts as a
> > proinflammatory cytokine and 
> > is effective in activating fibroblasts through the
> > release of 
> > transforming growth factor (TGF-beta). As well as
> > activation, 
> > differentiation, proliferation and apoptosis of
> > fibroblasts seem related 
> > to the oxidant/antioxidant balance, and the
> > maintenance of a high 
> > intracellular level of reduced glutathione (GSH)
> is
> > considered crucial in 
> > providing a reducing environment within the cell,
> > able to protect against 
> > oxidative stress

Re: CS>to smoke CS or not to

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

To smoke. ( figures coming from a x-stoner ) i dipped a Newport 100 in CS with 
about the ppm of 4-6. i let it air dry for roughly 24 hours. i removed the 
filter and smoked. (great way to get emphysema over night huh. maybe the cs in 
it will counter act it) after smoking it i felt extremely light headed probably 
because of the filter missing and then for about 30-40 seconds i felt kind of 
disassociated. and then nothing. this CF got me thinking. how would you get CS 
directly to the lung. then as i was in the middle of a cigarette i came up with 
smoke it. atoms are the building blocks of life. i thought building blocks. 
buildings are made of building blocks. if they were broken apart and 
reconstructed into something else it would be the same just altered. so 
basically i tried to unlock the code of the construction of a silver atom to 
reconstruct it so to speak to fit my porpose all though i don't have CF. but 
what the hay.