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Hi, Mike, I am not a doctor either, and I do not dispute the accuracy of your measurements or your report; I just wonder whether the conclusion -- that the new batch of CS was dramatically superior to the previous batches -- is correct. If so, it is good news for me, as I use a highly ionic CS (the SG6 constant current Silvergen model, with stirring, which is quite easy to use.) As for lunar influence, which I have noticed several times but not strictly verified by experiment: this effect, if it is real, produces either more particles or more agglomeration of the same quantity of particles, with the observable result being a yellow color and dramatically higher TE. (Finally found my laser pointer and verfied that; the TE difference between clear and yellow CS is quite dramatic.) There is nothing mystical or nonsensical about lunar effects: most are quite obvious, ranging from tidal changes to menstrual cycles. For all concerned, your good results are good news, and I am glad for you personally and for anyone else who benefits from the report. Cheers, JBB Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60367.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:26:27 The information below is very interesting indeed. However, I can not help but wonder whether the apparently higher efficacy of the new-method CS was in fact merely coincidental, a result of the new CS being taken at a time when the virus was vulnerable, and further at a time following the use of ordinary CS which had rendered the virus much weaker. From the information provided, it seems difficult to exclude this possibility. If there is a way to exclude this interpretation, it would be good to know. JBB Hi Jonathan, I am not an doctor, and know little about medicine. But I am an engineer, and I know a lot about making accurate measurements. I can confirm the current used to make the cs was constant to within +/-2.5%, depending on the line voltage. I can confirm the brew time was accurate to within several seconds, depending on what my hands were doing when the timer went off. I can confirm the fill level was constant to within 1/8 of an inch. The dw was from Walmart. Not the best quality, but very consistent. I measured the initial voltage for most runs just to verify the quality, and plotted the cv curve when I had time. There is no reason to expect much variation in the cs. I made 8 oz each day. This was a religion. Nothing else happened until the timer went off and I drank the cs, and my normal morning coffee. The Shingles attack was in October, 2001. The normal cs killed it very quickly. A low-level infection returned this January. It was in the same general location, but a bit lower down. I made no change in my procedure of making cs, except to try stirring. It did not work, the Shingles got worse, and I went back to the normal cs. The Shingles returned to its previous level. Perhaps three weeks transpired, and things were pretty much the same as before. Taking a shower produced the same level of pain. I got the idea to try to make a 9V generator, and posted the goal to the list. I got my first results on Monday, and posted to the list. The response to the new cs was so dramatic and sudden, there is little to account for it except the increased concentration of silver ions. After discovering this, I changed to the new cs and started taking a mouthful every three or four days, instead of drinking 8 oz per day. There have been no tingling sensations indicating the start of a new Shingles infection, no trace of any cold sore infections, no pain from cavities, and the teenager and her mother are completely clear of any new infections. They both had been taking the 1.4 mA/sq. in cs before, but the teenager got a serious infection. This cleared up when I switched to the 87uA/sq. in. cs and put him on a regime of one mouthful every two days. The indications are the same across the board. For all of us who take it, the new cs is much better than the old. Others will have to try it and see how it works. I have posted the necessary information in the ULVDC thread. I am not claiming magic or the phase of the moon. My interpretation of the effect of the density of the ion cloud on the formation of particles is well documented in the archives. An ion is an ion. The more of them, the better. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com
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Regarding the dangers of IV CS: would these risks be mitigated at all by intramuscular injections, or by sub-cutaneous injection? Jason? If not, might not B. Bradley's reported method of widespread skin coverage with a CS/DMSO mixture by useful in a hospital setting? Patients are typically naked but for the hospital robe, and there would thus be a large area of readily accessible skin for spraying. . . . JBB Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Trem: It's a no-brainer for you and I truly. We don't have medical licenses! It's not that distilled water is toxic... It's only a matter of shock. If a solution is not properly buffered when injected, the fluid changes can cause shock. If the distilled water were truly pure, and the drip done properly, this would, I believe, be an exception and not the rule. The PH of the sol has to be precise. A pyrogen is a substance that enduces an immune system response ( in particular, it enduces a fever ) when used in the body... I'm not certain if the term is limited to IV injections only, but FDA standards specify anything injected must be pyrogen and endotoxin free. Endotoxin is bacterial cell matter ( I'm sure there's a better and more official way to describe the term ). It is not enough that a substance be free of living bacteria, it must be free of all bacterial matter. Even small amounts of endotoxin injected directly into the blood stream can have consequences. This means that if the CS has come in contact with air, it is not likely to be endotoxin free. The reason these things are in place: It's too easy to make a mistake otherwise. We should consider and learn the lesson that Hudson learned, when he and an MD killed a person by injecting contaminated monoatomic gold into a patient. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Jason, As I said earlieram I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a human would. The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive
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Mike Monett writes: Others will have to try it and see how it works... My interpretation of the effect of the density of the ion cloud on the formation of particles is well documented in the archives... An ion is an ion. The more of them, the better. Mike is making claims for noticeably improved performance for his CS using significantly lower current density than the nearest competing process. I think that his anecdotal reports are suggestive enough for us to want to do exactly what he recommends... try to reproduce his results. He's certainly given us enough details of his process to enable us to do so. Trem and others raise the seemingly obvious point that ions are ions, and that increased dose can easily make up for any difference in ion concentration. May I pose an hypothesis and some questions? Do we know all there is to know about how ions are hydrated? Could there be any differences in their activity based on the energetic and/or kinetic regime in which they enter the water? Could the characteristics of the particulate component be part of the difference in performance? If you're making particles at half the current density of before, there's certainly a chance that they are different in size and/or character? I may have missed it, but, Mike, have you had analyses done yet to determine the ionic/particulate ratio and total silver concentration? My hypothesis? That there are some differences in what he's making due to, yes, the absence of mechanical or thermal stirring, and, yes again, the lower voltage and/or current density. It should not be hard to reproduce his setup and process. If the results are as dramatic for others as his were, then it should also be easy to verify the performance, at least to the level of a body of anecdotal reports. At that point it may be worth comparing the new preparation to his old product in petri dish experiments. What say the assembled masses? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CCreel wrote: I think you know I have a great deal of respect for your work. I've mentioned this more than once on another list to which we both belong. But I think if you are to make a suggestion like NO and insist it CAN be done, the onus of responsibility is on you to explain.. The Universe supports these people as best as it can. But sometimes there are hard, cold facts we wish weren't there that require some thinking outside of the box to get around them. Catherine, I thank you again for your appreciation of my little contribution. I dedicate this expression of respect to my teachers who taught me the basics and to the pioneers of allied sciences who have guided and enabled me to posit their hypotheses to propagate their pioneering spirit. As Nature's assistant, I do not profess to cure but merely to asisst in the healing process. I do not INSIST but merely to suggest by positing reserached work of pioneers. What I profess is relevant only to my solo practice and it does not reflect the stance of any medical institution. Acceptance of a therapeutic regime or protocol is personal. The freedom of choice is best explained and done in an open forum where there is pooling of researched resources where we learn and share from one another's mistakes. But sometimes there are hard, cold facts we wish weren't there that require some thinking outside of the box to get around them. Local Nasal Factors Affecting Nasal NO Alterations in local nasal physiology could affect nasal NO, or may be mediated by nasal NO. Nasal volume. Changes in nasal cavity volume could affect nasal NO by altering NO uptake into nasal blood, and by modulating the nasal epithelial surface area. Also, the communication of the nasal cavity with the communicating sinuses, which produce NO, could be altered. Evidence concerning the influence of nasal volume on nasal NO is contradictory at present. Nasal NO output was not volume dependent, provided a true steady state plateau was achieved, in one study (151) but has been reported to be volume dependent at low transnasal flow rates in another (153) possibly owing to changes in nasal aerodynamics (143). Nasal aerodynamics. The physics of airflow through the nasal cavity could alter the sampling of nasal NO. At low flows, laminar flow may predominate, and certain areas of the cavity may contribute less NO to the sample. Also at low flows, the pressure fluxes in the nasal cavity will be less than at high flows, possibly reducing the efflux of gas from the paranasal sinuses. Variations in nasal aerodynamics may explain some of the flow dependency of nasal NO output (143). Medications and Nasal NO Medications have been shown to affect NO and should be recorded. Those reported to have an effect on nasal NO include nasal decongestants (44, 142), which decrease nasal NO output by about 15% (151,153). The routine use of decongestants to facilitate nasal NO measurement itself requires further study. Nasal steroids have been reported to have no effect in normal subjects in one study (55), but to reduce nasal NO output after 2 wk of therapy in normal subjects (78) and asthmatics (23) in other reports. Antibiotic therapy had no effect on nasal NO in normal subjects in one study (154) but nasal NO rose after treatment of sinusitis in another (138). Vasodilators (e.g., papaverine) increased nasal NO output in one report (155) whereas histamine had no effect in another study (153). Saline does not appear to affect nasal NO output (151) but lidocaine may have a differential effect on nasal and sinus NO output (140). Nitric oxide synthase inhibitors. L-NAME administered by nasal spray has been reported to have no effect in some studies (47,77,153), but also to decrease NO output (155,156). L-Arginine. L-Arginine is the substrate for NO synthesis. Systemic administration increased nasal NO output by 35% in one study (121) but had no effect when applied by nasal spray in normal patients (153). Smoking A small decrease in nasal NO has been observed in smokers (145). References 1. Shelhamer, J. H., S. J. Levine, T. Wu, D. B. Jacoby, M. A. Kaliner, and S. I. Rennard. 1995. NIH conference: airway inflammation. Ann. Intern. Med. 123:28%304. 2. Gustaffson, L. E., A. M. Leone, M. G. Persson, N. P. Wiklund, and S. Moncada. 1991. Endogenous nitric oxide is present in the exhaled air of rabbits, guinea pigs and humans. Biocbem. Biophys. Res. Commun. 181(2):852-857. 3. Zayasu, K., K. Sekizawa, S. Okinaga, M. Yamaya, T. Ohrui, and H. Sasaki. 1997. Increased carbon monoxide in exhaled air of asthmatic patients. Am. J. Respir. Crit. Care Med. 156:1141143. 4. Horvath, I., L. E. Donnelly, A. Kiss, P. Paredi, S. A. Kharitonov, and P. J. Barnes. 1998. Raised levels of exhaled carbon monoxide are associated with an increased expression of heme oxygenase-1 in airway macrophages in asthma: a new marker of oxidative stress. Thorax 53: 668-672. 5. Yamaya, M., K. Sekizawa, S.
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Greetings to all list members We share and learn from one another in an open-minded forum. * DATE: Wed,18 June 2003 Greetings to you xxx, You wrote: I may be very stupid, in fact probably am..stupid folks can understand. You may include me in this category. There are so many things in the Universe that remain still a mystery to me or rather the stupid me. My reply to CCreel simply means that we have so much to learn from Nature ,an open University. It calls for pooling our resources by willing and desiring by way of discussion and sharing in health-care by all on equal footing. - the containment of SARS. The Spectre of SARS looms Large and Threatening and it is the Visualization of evoked FEAR that creates human helplessness. Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous,talented and fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It is not just in some of us; it is in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. From A Return To Love: Reflections on the Principles of A Course in Miracles. With regards Lew - Original Message - DATE: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:02:42 From: X To: le...@lycos.com Hi Lew, C Creel wrote: I think you need to be talking to the people who are on the frontlines of this ...Nebulizing is how they feel a number of health care practitioners ended up with SARS. When there is the will and desire, there is always a way. This is an open-minded forum for health-care. Those in the frontlines battling SARS are welcome to share and to learn. It is open University with all of us students of Ageless Wisdom. With all due respect, Lew what does this mean? I may be very stupid, in fact probably am, but please explain what you are saying so us stupid folks can understand. Kindest Regards, XX Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Adding the peroxide may have tossed the meter reading out the window. How conductive is peroxide? Ode At 11:19 PM 6/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: Greetings, all I thought I would share the results of a short experiment in condensing CS by evaporation. I used about a pint of CS with a reading of 5.8 µS and with a barely perceptible TE in pitch dark room with a laser beam. I used a coffee maker plate which kept the temp. at about 140-150º F. this took about 5 hours. The volume of liquid was reduced to a little less than half, just eyeballing it. The color appeared to have a slight tint, but was so light I couldn't be sure it wasn't the color of the light source. I decanted it into a jar to cool and noticed that the coffee pot I had used for heating had a faint tint. So I put some 3% H2O2 in and got an instant reaction (a pale mist) and that eliminated the tint. I assume this was plated metal. When I tested the cooled CS with the PWT, it read 14 µS. This seems to indicate little or no loss of silver or loss of ionization. The TE was a bit more noticeable than before. I next added DW to the CS to its original volume and the reading came back to its original level, (or as close as it gets with a PWT). The TE was now very faint, perhaps more than before. Its hard to say because a lot of dust was picked up while evaporating. (No Lid). This was a pretty sloppy set-up. I'm looking forward to hearing of other more precise experiments. . FWIW. Al -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Could be he got wet inside..actually did drown, just not 'in' the bowl.. and flew till he dropped from asphixiation. Ode At 10:17 AM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote: Sounds logical. But how would a drowned mosquito end up 10 feet from the plate? Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: The mosquitos will drown as soon as they touch the water. No surface tension on the water to hold them up or create a bubble around their breathing apparatus. Good way to drown fleas too. Put the dish under a night light to attract the fleas. Ode At 02:17 PM 6/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: Just received---haven't tried it yet: Here's a tip that was given at a recent gardening forum: Put some water in a white dinner plate and add a couple of drops of Lemon Fresh Joy dish detergent. Set the dish on your porch, patio, or other outdoor area. I'm not sure what attracts them, the lemon smell, the white plate color, or what, but mosquitoes flock to it, and drop dead shortly after drinking the Lemon Fresh Joy/water mixture, and usually within about 10 feet of the plate. Check this out---it works just super! jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The peroxide was used to clean the container after it was emptied. Not added to the CS. The CS remains colorless, with little apparent change. Al - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:12 AM Subject: Re: CSevaporated CS experiment Adding the peroxide may have tossed the meter reading out the window. How conductive is peroxide? Ode At 11:19 PM 6/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: Greetings, all I thought I would share the results of a short experiment in condensing CS by evaporation. I used about a pint of CS with a reading of 5.8 µS and with a barely perceptible TE in pitch dark room with a laser beam. I used a coffee maker plate which kept the temp. at about 140-150º F. this took about 5 hours. The volume of liquid was reduced to a little less than half, just eyeballing it. The color appeared to have a slight tint, but was so light I couldn't be sure it wasn't the color of the light source. I decanted it into a jar to cool and noticed that the coffee pot I had used for heating had a faint tint. So I put some 3% H2O2 in and got an instant reaction (a pale mist) and that eliminated the tint. I assume this was plated metal. When I tested the cooled CS with the PWT, it read 14 µS. This seems to indicate little or no loss of silver or loss of ionization. The TE was a bit more noticeable than before. I next added DW to the CS to its original volume and the reading came back to its original level, (or as close as it gets with a PWT). The TE was now very faint, perhaps more than before. Its hard to say because a lot of dust was picked up while evaporating. (No Lid). This was a pretty sloppy set-up. I'm looking forward to hearing of other more precise experiments. . FWIW. Al -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Scott: Bills are paid, the domain was not; it will be back online within 48 hours. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: CSsilvermedicine So what happened to silvermedicine.org ? Did you guys forget to pay your bills? http://www.silvermedicine.org/ Frank? - Jason?
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Hi James: Yes, there is no reason that CS cannot be added to electrolytes already being given ( that I am aware of ). In fact, some MD's utilize CS combined WITH antibiotics. Saline is not ideal to use as a buffer, although I have not yet been able to figure out what is being used in its place. ( It is acceptable though ). Even dead bacteria can be dangerous when injected into the bloodstream. The air is nowhere near sterile. I am not aware of the same concerns being an issue intramuscularly. Oral use of CS, I agree, would be a precursor to IV use in the ideal situation. MD's do not have the legal right to act against established methods, even in acts of desperation. It may be alright for an MD to utilize silver in a case of desperation, but even if signed consent forms are signed, and a doctor ignores established protocols, it can still be viewed as criminal malpractice. Knowingly injecting an improperly prepared substance into the bloodstream is such a situation. I'm all for nebulizing in the face of any airborne infection. However, I'm not under the same constraints that MD's would be in in a hospital environment. For some reason, doctors, even those experienced in alt med methods ( even those who utilize h2o2 IV therapy ) are very intimidated by silver use via IV. Like anything else, I suppose, it would just take some experience and walking through the uncomfort zone. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Comments in Trem's text. These speculations are offered as questions for discussion, not assertions. -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. JOH Why not add it to any electrolytes already being given or give Ringers and CS? Why not just make it isotonic with salt, if the volume is low enough and prepared electrolyte solutions are not available? 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. JOH A product that is not pyrogen free, certified or not, can be deadly. I How do pyrogens 1, get into carefully made batches of CS, 2. If pathogens are present, none have been demonstrated to survive even concentrations as low as 0.002 PPM (From distant memory, check for yourself) How will they survive 5 PPM and up? Sterile equipment is a given. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. JOH I agree that to be a serious problem with advanced systemic infection of an endotoxin type. Perhaps a protocol can be suggested based on the kill rates in broth compared with the success against that organism in people. Perhaps an initially cautious beginning: a very small amount by mouth leading up to larger I V doses when the first kill debris has been processed. It is incredibly potent, and in dosages that are an order of magnitude or two, below toxicity. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. JOH Not only that, they might hurt somebody. Don't doctors in desperate situations have license to do whatever they think may help that they are qualified to administer? If not, by whom and for what purpose? If---big if, it could be practically demonstrated [That's not the same as jumping through all the hoops] that SARS cannot live in 5-15 PPM CS, then there would be no reason to not nebulize; any overspray will help disinfect the environment and all fomites it touches. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost
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Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60344.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: C Creel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:52:17 [...] For example, so many things work in vitro that don't work in vivo. Right now, NIH scientists find that licorice is disbling the SARS virus. The chances it will do this in vivo are quite slim. But wouldn't it be grand if it did? It would be grand if NO worked. In theory it should. It even stands a good chance in practice - but only if we can create another delivery system that won't risk the lives of others. I'd be glad to introduce your idea to the SARS Task Force if you can come up with an idea for a safe way of administering it. Regards, Catherine Catherine, Your caring shows in each letter of each word you write. A question: if they are willing to try licorice in vitro, would they be willing to try cs? I would like to point out that licorice mimics one of the body's hormones, and too much of it can make a person very sick, and possibly be fatal. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Jason et al, When Stephen Quinto makes a medical CS product it never sees air. From the very beginning of the process the DW and the CS are under a filtered argon gas atmosphere for the very reasons that you have stated. From private communications with Stephen. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Mr. ADS(the 1st) I did not intend to be sarcastic. You would think that they would have had time to prevent the raid in that period of time, unless they thought they had done enough to comply and were misled. Strange scene; perhaps we will learn more soon. JOH -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver Dear Mr. Holmes, While I appreciate your sarcasm, I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Could you please elaborate? Regards, ADS (the 1st) From: James Holmes OHthat's quite different. JOH -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com In all fairness, the Fed's did give them 14 months to change their labeling and advertising practices before they came down on them. Andy
RE: CSHelp needed
Were it I I would checkout the max dose of DMSO and drink CS 10 PPM with 3 to ! mix CS/DMSO. Huge amounts of vegetable juices. Search: Dr. Larraine Day I am unsure of the spelling of her first name. JOH -Original Message- From: stepbystep...@aol.com [mailto:stepbystep...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHelp needed Hello everybody! One of my closest friend's grandmother was diagnosed with stomach cancer with metastasis to the esophagus. I remember a couple of month ago someone mentioned about a clinic In Texas, where cancer treatment is one of the modalities. And they have a very good cure rate. I spent hours searching through out the archive and can't find anything. If anybody knows anything about it, please send me some info. Thanks, Vitale
RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hello Jason, Yes, It is one thing to theorize at a distance; another to stand there looking at the terribly ill person and weigh all the factors. Does anyone know if IV CS is against established protocols? Vets have used it successfully against Eastern Equine Encephalitis. Two 1500 ml doses of 15 ppm. The horse lived, with no apparent neuro damage. JOH -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi James: Yes, there is no reason that CS cannot be added to electrolytes already being given ( that I am aware of ). In fact, some MD's utilize CS combined WITH antibiotics. Saline is not ideal to use as a buffer, although I have not yet been able to figure out what is being used in its place. ( It is acceptable though ). Even dead bacteria can be dangerous when injected into the bloodstream. The air is nowhere near sterile. I am not aware of the same concerns being an issue intramuscularly. Oral use of CS, I agree, would be a precursor to IV use in the ideal situation. MD's do not have the legal right to act against established methods, even in acts of desperation. It may be alright for an MD to utilize silver in a case of desperation, but even if signed consent forms are signed, and a doctor ignores established protocols, it can still be viewed as criminal malpractice. Knowingly injecting an improperly prepared substance into the bloodstream is such a situation. I'm all for nebulizing in the face of any airborne infection. However, I'm not under the same constraints that MD's would be in in a hospital environment. For some reason, doctors, even those experienced in alt med methods ( even those who utilize h2o2 IV therapy ) are very intimidated by silver use via IV. Like anything else, I suppose, it would just take some experience and walking through the uncomfort zone. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Comments in Trem's text. These speculations are offered as questions for discussion, not assertions. -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. JOH Why not add it to any electrolytes already being given or give Ringers and CS? Why not just make it isotonic with salt, if the volume is low enough and prepared electrolyte solutions are not available? 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. JOH A product that is not pyrogen free, certified or not, can be deadly. I How do pyrogens 1, get into carefully made batches of CS, 2. If pathogens are present, none have been demonstrated to survive even concentrations as low as 0.002 PPM (From distant memory, check for yourself) How will they survive 5 PPM and up? Sterile equipment is a given. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. JOH I agree that to be a serious problem with advanced systemic infection of an endotoxin type. Perhaps a protocol can be suggested based on the kill rates in broth compared with the success against that organism in people. Perhaps an initially cautious beginning: a very small amount by mouth leading up to larger I V doses when the first kill debris has been processed. It is incredibly potent, and in dosages that are an order of magnitude or two, below toxicity. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. JOH Not only that, they might hurt somebody. Don't doctors in desperate situations have license to do whatever they think may help that they are qualified to administer? If not, by whom and for what purpose? If---big if, it could be practically demonstrated [That's not the same as jumping through all the hoops] that SARS cannot live in 5-15 PPM CS, then there would be no reason to not nebulize; any overspray will help disinfect the environment and all fomites it touches. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To:
Re: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver
My warning letter came from the FTC. Marshall jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: Andy writes: In all fairness, the Fed's did give them 14 months to change... Wonder what the significance, if any, of the warning letter coming from the FDA, but the seizure done by the FTC. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
I don't see how injecting fine metal power of any kind has any relation to the amount of that metal being toxic. I would think that metal power would very effectively block up the blood vessels, and once you block the vessels to the brain or heart death would certainly follow. Toxcitiy could be totally different for a colloid, or compound. Marshall James Holmes wrote: Please note folk, 3.8 g. Is the TOXIC dose, NOT the lethal dose. Dogs (don't remember the weight) were killed with 1 gram of fine metal powder injected. Not intentionally; they were trying to create a blood problem to study. It is in John Hill's book. Who would ever want to get anywhere that, and how could you do it even if 10 times the required dose was administered? -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Jason, As I said earlieram I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a human would. The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it would cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating in the system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a decrease in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different than an ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the ratio of ions to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using a good process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are within the small range of being colorless. As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take too much in an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. And let's remember, an
Re: CSsilvermedicine
The look paid up to me: Domain ID:D87585474-LROR Domain Name:SILVERMEDICINE.ORG Created On:16-Jun-2002 14:18:31 UTC Last Updated On:19-Jun-2003 02:23:35 UTC Expiration Date:16-Jun-2004 14:18:31 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:R39-LROR Status:OK Marshall ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: So what happened to silvermedicine.org ? Did you guys forget to pay your bills? http://www.silvermedicine.org/ Frank? - Jason?
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Mike, Why don't you stop beating around the bush and send a sample of each of your CS process's to natural-immunogenics and spend the $150.00 dollars and learn the truth. You can talk or write all day long about your calculations and process timing and equipment accuracy but without the TEM's you are just whistling Dixie. Sorry, Been there and done that several times. My 320 micro amp/sqin 35 volt LVDC is sub-nanometer to 28 nano-meter in size Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelp needed
Hi Vitale, I posted that message. If my wife or I ever get cancer we will be in Texas within 48 hours as Stanislav Burzinski has a 62% cure rate on all types of cancer. You can find him on www.google.com. Go there and Do that!! Ole Bob stepbystep...@aol.com wrote: Hello everybody! One of my closest friend's grandmother was diagnosed with stomach cancer with metastasis to the esophagus. I remember a couple of month ago someone mentioned about a clinic In Texas, where cancer treatment is one of the modalities. And they have a very good cure rate. I spent hours searching through out the archive and can't find anything. If anybody knows anything about it, please send me some info. Thanks, Vitale -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hi Mike D. Without TEM's the talk is useless Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Was that the reason why junkies would shpoot ice water into their veins? ed -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60396.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: Robert Berger Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:35:30 Mike, Why don't you stop beating around the bush and send a sample of each of your CS process's to natural-immunogenics and spend the $150.00 dollars and learn the truth. You can talk or write all day long about your calculations and process timing and equipment accuracy but without the TEM's you are just whistling Dixie. Sorry, Been there and done that several times. My 320 micro amp/sqin 35 volt LVDC is sub-nanometer to 28 nano-meter in size Ole Bob Bob, At 320 uA/sq. in., you are certainly headed in the right direction. Why don't you make some 60 ppm at that current density without stirring and let it sit. See if it matches Marv's description after six weeks: This first batch of LVDC CS has a light gray tint to it, but is otherwise clear. While it was brewing, I had no clue where it was re: PPM. It has been about six weeks since I stopped the process. So far, its appearance is unchanged . . . . Here is a picture of the gunk on the cathode at 60 ppm: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/2ece54fc.jpg As you can see, the anode is pretty clean. From Marv's description of the salt test, his new Hanna PWT seems to be calibrated correctly: By the way, re: the salt test that you recommend, I poured a little into a glass (1.5), and hit it with a few shakes of sea salt. It responded with a bluish tint on its way to a white cast that was no longer transparent. Like watered-down skim milk. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60213.html Please do the salt test at 60 ppm and tell us what you get. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
From Frank Key's post on 22 Mar 2001: TEM observation of non-ionic solutions are widely accepted. However, when highly ionic solutions are the subject of observation, compound formation so alters the observation that the results are meaningless (in my opinion). I have explained why the formation of compounds during the sample preparation becomes significant. My explanations and rational are clearly stated on my web site in the FAQ and Definition of Terms as they have been in these list postings. Clearly you reject this because of your vested interest in your TEM. I feel that further discussion on this subject is beating a dead horse. Let the readers who are interested weigh the evidence and decide for them selves. frank key I think his point was well made. Arnold - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Mike D. Without TEM's the talk is useless Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
I may have missed it, but, Mike [M.], have you had analyses done yet to determine the ionic/particulate ratio and total silver concentration? What say the assembled masses?---Mike D. Without TEM's the talk is useless---Ole Bob Let the readers who are interested weigh the evidence and decide for themselves. ---Frank I think his [Frank's] point was well made. ---Arnold I, too, am put off by Mike M.'s claims of formulatory superiority while conveniently refusing Ole Bob's offer of a free analysis. Why? jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hi Marshall, I agree. The organs were loaded. I don't think the report spoke of vascular occlusion tho, but I have only read a synopsis. A silver colloid will be excreted too, according to our friend and former list participant Roger Altman's study [with a population of one, himself]. Metallic silver will probably not be excreted. When you calculate the amount of water you would have to drink to get a dose of 3.8 grams, with 10 ppm sol, the water will be toxic before the silver. Should the need arise I would not hesitate to self-administer via IV the silver that I make. How much bacteria can fall in during the brief time that I pour the DW or before I put the lid on the generator? Not enough to Herx. And there will certainly be no live ones there. Got 4 million? Then you can prove that CS is not pyrogenic and get it FDA approved. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux I don't see how injecting fine metal power of any kind has any relation to the amount of that metal being toxic. I would think that metal power would very effectively block up the blood vessels, and once you block the vessels to the brain or heart death would certainly follow. Toxcitiy could be totally different for a colloid, or compound. Marshall James Holmes wrote: Please note folk, 3.8 g. Is the TOXIC dose, NOT the lethal dose. Dogs (don't remember the weight) were killed with 1 gram of fine metal powder injected. Not intentionally; they were trying to create a blood problem to study. It is in John Hill's book. Who would ever want to get anywhere that, and how could you do it even if 10 times the required dose was administered? -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Jason, As I said earlieram I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a human would. The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one
Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
hasn't there been posts to this list, describing the use of CS, in IV protocols, in europe??? jim - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Marshall, I agree. The organs were loaded. I don't think the report spoke of vascular occlusion tho, but I have only read a synopsis. A silver colloid will be excreted too, according to our friend and former list participant Roger Altman's study [with a population of one, himself]. Metallic silver will probably not be excreted. When you calculate the amount of water you would have to drink to get a dose of 3.8 grams, with 10 ppm sol, the water will be toxic before the silver. Should the need arise I would not hesitate to self-administer via IV the silver that I make. How much bacteria can fall in during the brief time that I pour the DW or before I put the lid on the generator? Not enough to Herx. And there will certainly be no live ones there. Got 4 million? Then you can prove that CS is not pyrogenic and get it FDA approved. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux I don't see how injecting fine metal power of any kind has any relation to the amount of that metal being toxic. I would think that metal power would very effectively block up the blood vessels, and once you block the vessels to the brain or heart death would certainly follow. Toxcitiy could be totally different for a colloid, or compound. Marshall James Holmes wrote: Please note folk, 3.8 g. Is the TOXIC dose, NOT the lethal dose. Dogs (don't remember the weight) were killed with 1 gram of fine metal powder injected. Not intentionally; they were trying to create a blood problem to study. It is in John Hill's book. Who would ever want to get anywhere that, and how could you do it even if 10 times the required dose was administered? -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Jason, As I said earlieram I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a human would. The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is
CSFungus forming on electrode -?
Okay, its not really a fungus, but after running current at 27v through some distilled water for about 25 minutes, an algae or barnacle type accumulation is visible on only one of the electrodes. The anode + I think it is. The nature of the accumulation is unknown. Anyone else experiencing this?Perhaps ingesting this is unhealthy. Secondly, I just run it till theres a visible cloud in the water (approx 30 minutes) and call it quits. This is with 1 inch seperation, 3-4 inches of silver submerged, and 8 oz. of distilled water. Thanks,George __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60406.html CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: jrowland Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:02:32 [...] I, too, am put off by Mike M.'s claims of formulatory superiority while conveniently refusing Ole Bob's offer of a free analysis. Why? jr I'm not claiming formulatory superiority. I'm showing the cs made at 87 uA/sq. in. gives better results on viruses than the cs I made at 1.4 mA/sq. in. There is no need to send anyone any samples. Most people can make it themself. I suggested Bob do this. Unfortunately, he calculates his current density using a large plate anode. His cathode is a small rod. The current density is much higher, and I don't think he will get the same results, sock or no sock. As far as sending him I don't trust Bob's spectrograph results. They indicate his silver content is three times higher than can be obtained using Bob Lee's calculations of Faradays electrolysis equations: I make 2 gallons of 30 to 40 true PPM using 35 volts with a regulator set to turn on at 12.6 ma or 320 microamps /sqin of anode Time, five hours, and this is were I shut down. Crystal clear sub nano in size, and stays that way! However, Faradays equations showed the maximum possible is only 12 ppm: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60056.html This is a rather large discrepancy that Bob has not explained. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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i apologize for not cleaning up the first response. a waste of time and space for not doing it. it's even one of my pet peaves, mea culpa!!! jim - Original Message - From: Acmeair res00...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux hasn't there been posts to this list, describing the use of CS, in IV protocols, in europe??? jim - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Marshall, I agree. The organs were loaded. I don't think the report spoke of vascular occlusion tho, but I have only read a synopsis. A silver colloid will be excreted too, according to our friend and former list participant Roger Altman's study [with a population of one, himself]. Metallic silver will probably not be excreted. When you calculate the amount of water you would have to drink to get a dose of 3.8 grams, with 10 ppm sol, the water will be toxic before the silver. Should the need arise I would not hesitate to self-administer via IV the silver that I make. How much bacteria can fall in during the brief time that I pour the DW or before I put the lid on the generator? Not enough to Herx. And there will certainly be no live ones there. Got 4 million? Then you can prove that CS is not pyrogenic and get it FDA approved. JOH -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60412.html CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: Mike Monett Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:18:36 [...] I, too, am put off by Mike M.'s claims of formulatory superiority while conveniently refusing Ole Bob's offer of a free analysis. Why? jr Sorry, wrong link. It should have been url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Same result. Bob's ppm results are three times greater than the theoretical maximum. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike et al. What I want to know is how the 60 PPM CS was measured? I will not accept a PWT as valid, only an ISE test or Spect. test will do! Is funny but I never clean the anode as it only has a faint tarnish on it. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60406.html CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: jrowland Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:02:32 [...] I, too, am put off by Mike M.'s claims of formulatory superiority while conveniently refusing Ole Bob's offer of a free analysis. Why? jr Again, Sorry. This is not my day for links. url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60049.html Same result. Bob's results are three times greater than the theoretical maximum. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike, I don't have to explain anything! The results of my spect. testing has been crossed checked with James Holman, Dr. Bruce Marx, Stephen Quinto, Lin Kimball., the univ. of Mo at Rolla, Mo., and your god, Frank Key, as reported on his e-mail to me and Roger Altman when we were running a double blind study on CS. Frank's test showed total silver at 10.915 ppm +/- 0.005, and ionic silver at 10.860 ppm +/- 0.005. the conductivity was 102.5 uS/cm. (21 Oct. 2001) This material was HVAC ARC with CO2 as shown on my web site. with a ppm range from 12 to 15 ppm. I do not know which batch of CS he received. NOW PROVE TO ME THAT YOUR CALCULATIONS ARE CORRECT BY HAVING SOME REPUTABLE LAB CHECK YOU MATERIAL. Since my protocol is suspect!!! The above are my tail feathers, what are yours!!! Ole Bob Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60406.html CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: jrowland Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:02:32 [...] I, too, am put off by Mike M.'s claims of formulatory superiority while conveniently refusing Ole Bob's offer of a free analysis. Why? jr I'm not claiming formulatory superiority. I'm showing the cs made at 87 uA/sq. in. gives better results on viruses than the cs I made at 1.4 mA/sq. in. There is no need to send anyone any samples. Most people can make it themself. I suggested Bob do this. Unfortunately, he calculates his current density using a large plate anode. His cathode is a small rod. The current density is much higher, and I don't think he will get the same results, sock or no sock. As far as sending him I don't trust Bob's spectrograph results. They indicate his silver content is three times higher than can be obtained using Bob Lee's calculations of Faradays electrolysis equations: I make 2 gallons of 30 to 40 true PPM using 35 volts with a regulator set to turn on at 12.6 ma or 320 microamps /sqin of anode Time, five hours, and this is were I shut down. Crystal clear sub nano in size, and stays that way! However, Faradays equations showed the maximum possible is only 12 ppm: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60056.html This is a rather large discrepancy that Bob has not explained. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60414.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: Robert Berger Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:05:01 Mike, I don't have to explain anything! The results of my spect. testing has been crossed checked with James Holman, Dr. Bruce Marx, Stephen Quinto, Lin Kimball., the univ. of Mo at Rolla, Mo., and your god, Frank Key, as reported on his e-mail to me and Roger Altman when we were running a double blind study on CS. [...] NOW PROVE TO ME THAT YOUR CALCULATIONS ARE CORRECT BY HAVING SOME REPUTABLE LAB CHECK YOU MATERIAL. Since my protocol is suspect!!! The above are my tail feathers, what are yours!!! Ole Bob Bob, I'm sure everyone has great credentials. But can they compare with Faraday's? But that really isn't the important point. What counts is can the process be duplicated. You can make the same cs. Use 3 feet of 12 ga cut in half for the anode and cathode. This will give about 3.8 square inches of wetted area. Put it in 425 millitres of medium quality dw and run it at 335 uA for 6 hours. Tell us what you measure. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60387.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: M. G. Devour Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:27:53 I may have missed it, but, Mike, have you had analyses done yet to determinethe ionic/particulate ratio and total silver concentration? Mike, Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention. No, I have not sent anything to a lab. I agree with Ken: Welcome to the wonderful world of infallable science where no two labs can agree on anything and no two processes even come close. A PWT only reads ions for sure...maybe correctly and maybe not. Depends on what lab results you compare the readings to. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60223.html However, I have asked Robert to make the same thing and let us know his results. In the final analysis, what we are looking for is consistency and repeatability. Three feet of 12 ga wire cut in half should give about 3.8 square inches of wetted area for the anode and cathode. I run at 335 uA, so the current density is around 87 uA/sq. in. With medium quality dw, a current regulator would be nice, but is not needed. A simple resistor to 12 Volts or more should regulate the current to 20% or better. This is good enough. It will repeat the same curve as long as the dw is the same. If we use 1/2 litre of water or so, all we need is to calculate the time needed to reach a target ppm. Here's the equations and results for 425 millilitres of dw on my system: I = 335e-6 ; current in Amperes k = 107.88 / 96500 ; electrochemical equivalent of silver lt = 0.425 ; liters ppm = 20 ; desired ppm C = I * sec ; Coulombs gm = lt * ppm / 1000 ; grams of silver deposited sec = (lt * ppm) / (1000 * k * I) hrs = sec / 3600 Solution I = +0.000335000 k = +0.0011179274611 lt = +0.42500 ppm = +20. C = +7.6033555802744 sec = +22696.583821714 gm = +0.00850 hrs = +6.3046066171429 Six hours might seem a long time compared to current practise, but as long as the production rate exceeds the consumption rate, it really doesn't matter how long it takes. If you only need a mouthful every three or four days, 1/2 litre should serve a small family for a week. One advantage of the long brew time is you don't have to worry about going shopping and returning an hour late. The cs will be a bit stronger, but you won't have to throw it out as you would with higher current densities. Very little black crud is deposited on the electrodes. I get a bit on the anode and none on the cathode. The cs is crystal clear, and nothing plates out on the glass containing it. So you don't have to spend time cleaning with H2O2. The salt test is excellent confirmation of the strength. From the dissociation of salt in water: NaCl(s) + H2O ---gt; Na(+)(aq) + Cl(-)(aq) A silver ion reacts with a chlorine ion to form silver chloride: Ag(+)(aq) + Cl(-)(aq) ---gt; AgCl(s) The silver chloride is insoluble in water and precipitates out as a white solid. This creates a dispersion that indicates the strength of the cs. At 20 ppm calculated, the effect is quite strong. So, anyone with a dvm and some salt should be able to duplicate these results fairly well. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60416.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: Robert Berger Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:28:57 Mike et al. What I want to know is how the 60 PPM CS was measured? I will not accept a PWT as valid, only an ISE test or Spect. test will do! Is funny but I never clean the anode as it only has a faint tarnish on it. Ole Bob The ppm was measured with a new Hannna. It corresponds fairly well with the salt test. In the final analysis, all methods should give the same results to within experimental error. Your tests are very complicated and there is plenty of room for error. A factor of three or four is a long way off from the theoretical maximum. On the anode residue, I believe you use stirring. This process uses no stirring. It should take less than an hour to set up. Make history, Bob. Let us know your results! I'll be off the list for a while. Got to catch up with some work. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Mike, Look at my data plot. I don't run 335 uA continually. The current starts out at 2.64 ma or 66 uA/sqin. and builds until the regualto cuts in at 12.6 ma. running in 2 gallons of 4 ppm CS. This was a reprocessed lot as stated. I guess I could order in the silver for this experiment. I'll think about it. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMike M.'s process questions...
Three feet of 12 ga wire cut in half should give about 3.8 square inches of wetted area for the anode and cathode. I run at 335 uA, so the current density is around 87 uA/sq. in. Ummm, just to relieve me of digging out the calculator at this late hour... You're not counting the surface are of both the anode and cathode together, are you? Only the anode surface area counts, right? And that's ~ 3.8 in^2? Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFungus forming on electrode -?
Hi George, The formation on the cathode is either silver peroxide if it is jet black or it is silver oxide and it will be brown. The only time my set up will make brown colored silver oxide is when the spacing is cahnged for 1 1/2 to 10. Making CS is a very inefficeint silver plating operation. All plating operations have the metal that is to be deposited as the anode (+). the object to be plated is the cahtode. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Ok ... Here's a link to water poisoning Q/A's... http://my.webmd.com/content/article/42/1671_51282.htm So too much injected in the arteries veins etc... could cause similar problems... Now as for committing Cepu-Cu with C.S., well I Own and use one of Trem's SG-7's... It makes terrific C.S. with very small particle size, a resultant very high surface area... I consistently set the generator to produce batches of C.S. with a 15ppm conductivity reading That's 15-milligrams per. liter of distilled water... 15 milligrams is 15 x 1/1000 of 1-gram of ionic silver particles per. liter of distilled water... Since it takes 3.8 grams = 3800 milligrams of elemental silver to commit Cepu-Cu, then I will need to drink ((253) 1-liter bottles = @ 67 U.S.Gal. of C.S.), pretty much, all at once, in order to cross over, and meet my maker... H Any one here think they can drink that much ?? Try Valiums Booze, that should be a bit easier... Talk about a Drinking Problem Regards, Alexander - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Jason, As I said earlieram I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a human would. The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it would cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating in the system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a decrease in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different than an ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the ratio of ions to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using a good process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are within the small range of being colorless. As Bob Lee once pointed
CSElectron microscope pictures
Can someone give me the name, address, and phone number or URL of a company that can take an electron microscope picture of a sample of water? Dave Bearrow -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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test t345456798655 TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi David, It's not possible. I sent a sample of structured water to natural-immunogenics and they said they is nothing to measure. Ole Bob David Bearrow wrote: Can someone give me the name, address, and phone number or URL of a company that can take an electron microscope picture of a sample of water? Dave Bearrow -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I was wondering if anyone knew procedures and results on recovering drug addicts and alcoholics. Mainly prescription pain pills (Lorcet 10/650) which has done more damage that anything else I know. Thanks, leslie3...@yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
ay cphel thuh caim whey, dowen't yah noe... - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart! On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:03:11 -0500, Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net wrote: Ole Bob Electircal Engineer WOT's a Electircal Engineer??? Chuck Capt'n! The spellchecker kinna take this abuse! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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No first-hand experience, but on Ken Burns' PBS series on jazz, Miles Davis kicked his heroin habit by retiring to his father's farmhouse and stayed in his room for, I think, 7 days, emerging clean. Seems extreme but successful. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Leslie, While we have not engaged in first-person experimental research in this areaourselves a, sometimes, associate research group has. They revealed to us that the most effective protocol for assisting recovering drug addicts and alcoholics demonstrated to be a three point program involving, hypnosis (from capable professionals); physical isolation (e.g. far out in the countryside, miles from ANY large city or town); systemic health support based upon dietary improvements/supplements; availablity of group therapy involving other recovering addicts.utilized in concert. They opined that the two most critical factors were the dedication of purpose of the addicted person, plus their reaction/adaptation to the first 7 days of isolation from the addictive substance/social environment. Their recidivism rate was stated to be less than 20% over the immediate 2 years following completion of their program. While the exact times of release varied, 45 days was the mean. This group no longer performs such activites (stopped in late 1999), although they were quite successful and the demand for their services grew to very large proportions. The principal reason they decided to suspend this program was that it grew to such an enormous extent that the bulk of their primary experimental medical research activities was being threatened through the siphoning-off of key personnel and resourcesto a degree demanding their exercising a choice between this, single activity, and their more broad-based experimental researches. I make mention of their activities merely to state the type of protocols they blended for their more successful results. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Leslie wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew procedures and results on recovering drug addicts and alcoholics. Mainly prescription pain pills (Lorcet 10/650) which has done more damage that anything else I know. Thanks, leslie3...@yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMike M.'s process questions...
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60429.html CSMike M.'s process questions... From: M. G. Devour Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:18:34 Three feet of 12 ga wire cut in half should give about 3.8 square inches of wetted area for the anode and cathode. I run at 335 uA, so the current density is around 87 uA/sq. in. Ummm, just to relieve me of digging out the calculator at this late hour... You're not counting the surface are of both the anode and cathode together, are you? Only the anode surface area counts, right? And that's ~ 3.8 in^2? Mike D. You don't even need a calculator for this one. 12 ga has a diameter of 0.080 inch. The circumference is pi * d = 0.25 inch, so 4 linear inches gives 1 square inch. But you knew that already. If you cut three feet in half, each half is 18 inches. When you form them into a W, you need about an inch clearance to the mounting screws, and about 3/8 inch for a tiny wrap around the screw. So a bit less than 16 inches is under water. I estimate this gives about 3.8 square inches of wetted area. It's not exact, but close enough. It affects only the current density, and has no effect on the calculated ppm. Since both electrodes have the same area, I use either one to calculate the wetted area. In operation, an ion cloud forms around both electrodes. Theoretically, the anode could have a bit less area than the cathode, but both clouds are important in the formation of particles. The anode cloud will be slightly less dense than the cathode since the ions are moving away from the anode towards the cathode. You can see this effect by running the current density high enough to start misting. The mist appears first at the cathode, then a while later at the anode. But both electrodes will eventually form a mist. At least, this has been my experience. In practise, I may get a slight amount of residue on the anode. Not enough to write home about, especially compared to the heavy film that always formed at 1.4 mA/sq.in, and the black deposit under each electrode on the bottom of the glass. The curious thing is when I switch the anode and cathode electrodes, the black residue on the new cathode gets cleaned off. I believe Steve observed the same thing. But there is no deposit on the bottom of the glass, and it stays clean. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
