Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
I got over my allergies by eating local honey because it's supposed to have the local pollen in it. Later, I would just lick my windshield once. Worked for me. No more allergic reactions. The pollen can get so thick around here that it looks like a yellow wind blowing. The rivers run yellow! It still works something like breathing pepper but it's a not an 'allergic' thing anymore. Humm, not so sure I'd want to lick mold. Ode At 02:44 PM 8/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic remedies. They are very effective and have no side effects, like dryness, drowsiness, etc. There are various formulations, so asking the clerk at a health food store might be useful. Dean said: None of the homeopathics I've tried have ever worked for me. Perhaps someone could provide a list, because I'm sure I haven't tried all of them. ** Those for whom they work in this way just got lucky, Dean. There are a couple of hundred homeopathic remedies that could be useful for allergies. Only a person highly skilled in homeopathy stands a good chance of finding the appropriate one for any given person. In many cases, the remedy for allergies is also a person'd constitutional remedy. A constitutional remedy is a foundational remedy that addresses a number of underlying weaknesses at the core of one's constitution. If you really are interested in addressing allergies this way, get thee to a homeopath. The proper remedy in the proper doses is crucial to success in addressing this. The formulas found and recommended in natural food stores are being presented from an allopathic mindset. This is counter to the entire homeopathic philosophy. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Back in the 70s pills were sold instead of Benzadrine or Dexadrine as they looked very much the same with a cross on it. They were made to look that way on purpose and sold in the backs of comic books and magazines by the thousand. Take two and feel your skin crawl..check out that headache! I can check with the chemists but I believe that meth is easy enough to make from fairly easily obtained and inexpensive base chemicals that using commerical pills as a starter would not be economical. It's a dangerous process but not a hard one. The meth the State students were making way back when smelled just like styrofoam. Are you sure they're making methamphetamine and not just concentrating pseudo-ephedrine into a crystaline form? Now, that would be some pretty dangerous stuff if it was mis represented and sold to someone with no common sense. Meth isn't especially dangerous..it's the no common sense part that's dangerous. BTW, that was the herb- ephedra. [not ephedrine] I'm surprised that Foxglove digitalis hasn't made the menu. Ode At 08:40 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: Is there a difference between the herb ephedrine and the synthesized chemical ephedrine..as in the analog chemical pseudo-ephedrine used for cold pills ..by big bucks 'over the counter' interests who are always trying to get drugs approved so you don't have to get an expensive prescription from the big bucks medical establishment? [and sold 'as' methamphetamine by unscuplulous dealers to people who don't know the difference between a cold pill, meth, caffine pills and any other form of stimulant] Here in SEK there are tons of little meth labs out in the rural areas. They actually use the pseudophed tablets as part of the base of the meth, mixed with various chemicals into a soup that is then crystalized into meth. So they don't sell the cold pills instead of meth, they use them in producing meth. Its one of the main ingredients. Thats why those of us with legitimate allergic type need for pseudophed, or its cheaper copycat versions, can only buy 24 or so at a time now - which I often go through in 4 days, and is much more expensive than when I used to be able to buy a bottle of 96 or more of them. Frustrating. Plus, you have to buy it at the pharmacy window - its not on the shelves, so you have to stand in line for fifteen minutes or so to get the stuff. And if you're back within a week, which i am during allergy season, they look at you real funny and ask questions. Groan. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Yup The social order likes to take sortcuts. If you CAN get in trouble, be it sex, drugs or loud music , they say Don't do it..and if you do, we'll toss you in jail. You never get the truth about the risks so sensible decisions can be made. You just get a lot of propaganda and moralizing using extremely distorted facts to back it up. Of course, when the facts don't add up, any curious kid is going to try and find out for themselves. Well, being stupid has it's own consequences and people can learn. Jail doesn't discriminate..it hurts everyone. They are attempting to make the world so safe that no one will have to 'think' about anything to stay alive and unharmed. Ya had better not walk off the trail. You may discover that you never learned how to walk. But you won't know that till you stumble a few times. Crikey! I've seen whole families just walk right up to the edge of a cliff without checking the stability of the ground! I've seen people run down mountains! ...and not a single thought about how it's 150 roadless, cell phoneless miles to the nearest hospital. Just the other day a whole family just walked out in front of traffic on US 421 without even looking. They 'expected' that drivers [running 60-65 MPH] would stop for them and no thought at all about what might happen if they didn't. Well, they were right...that time. You think maybe they'd trade one of their kids in for a 'settlement'? [on purpose?] Good golly, people are getting dumber than deer. ..and count on people just like them to look out for them? Just shoot me and get it over with. PS, Where do I go to sue a deer? Ode * Hey fella, if you want to preach common sense and individual responsability you better be careful who hears you. People have been shot for that sort of thing. Jack There was a period of about 30 years ( that I know of ) Ken, when a person could buy one form or another of amphetamine sulphate -- Benzadrine or Dexadrine -- bennies or dexies, and actually use it for it's intended purpose staying awake ! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSubmerged Pump
I've found the the water circulation speed doesn't have an effect on the CS quality but it does have an effect on deposit buildups on the electrodes [the grey fuzzies] which in turn have an effect on auto off calibration because the deposits are semi insulative. They tend to grow into the direction of the water flow and fall off if they get too thick making a layer of crud in the bottom. There is a sweet spot under which these effects are not a problem. I'm assuming that the SG7 has found and is using that perfect water velocity range commensurate with the electrode spacing and current to prevent crud buildup and drop off. Ode At 08:56 AM 8/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: Can I jump in here? We use 7/16 to 1/2 inch spacing on our SG7 Pro. With the electrodes that close together the current gradient between plates is pretty strong right at startup and we reach current limiting very quickly. However the water has to be moving fairly rapidly or the unit will shut down because it senses voltage drop across the electrodes to control the shutoff point. We use a submergible fountain pump to keep the water moving vigorously. The idea that it takes very slow water movement to produce good CS doesn't have any effect on our generator. It produces particle size in the general range of .001 to .005 microns. So, I think closer is better if you can keep the water moving. Why have to wait to get up to speed? My 2 cents. Regards, Trem Williams mailto:customer_serv...@silvergen.com>customer_serv...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com>ascottsil...@aol.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: CS>Submerged Pump Hi Ole Bob, Wouldn't spacing the electrodes farther apart be a good thing if you were producing a couple of gallons at a time and your power supply was set up to compensate for it? It seems to me that it might speed things up a little. Does a slow start (low voltage) or a fast start (higher voltage) make a difference if the final current is limited? Andy From: Robert Berger Hi Andy, The current drops down and it takes longer to get to the current limiting level. Ole Bob ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: > Hi Ole Bob, > > What happens when you increase the anode to cathode spacing? > > Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
How often do you have to lick your windshield? Dan Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra From: Ode Coyote (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:18:15 I got over my allergies by eating local honey because it's supposed to have the local pollen in it. Later, I would just lick my windshield once. Worked for me. No more allergic reactions. The pollen can get so thick around here that it looks like a yellow wind blowing. The rivers run yellow! It still works something like breathing pepper but it's a not an 'allergic' thing anymore. Humm, not so sure I'd want to lick mold. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Yep, you are over 1,000 times as likely to be killed by someone that owns a stethoscope than a gun. Marshall Orpha Yoder wrote: Leading killer in America: Heart Disease Second leading killer: Cancer Third leading killer: Medical and hospital errors, etc . . . Sobering facts. - Orpha - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra Dick Rochon 8/22/03 11:07 AM Wrote: Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! Aspirin causes hundreds, or more, every year. *** So do doctors and pharmacists and hospitals... Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSubmerged Pump
Hi Andy, The final current limit is set by the resistor across the LM317T, ADJ OUT terminals R = 1200/ desired current in mA. I use a 100 ohm resistor which sets the current limit to 12.62 mA. or about 250 uA. sqin of anode. Moving the cathode farther away will lower the initial current and lengthen the brew time. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: How much water to drink
Russ, I find it hard to believe there are no studies showing how much water the average person should be drinking. Hi, Wendy (...great name, BTW, and one of the all-time greatest songs...) Such studies are published in books like _Your Body's Many Cries for Water_ [thanks, Jim] which recommends urine testing to accurately assess one's particular water requirements. Given the facts that many people suffer constipation and the attendant hemorrhoids, cancer of the colon, spastic colon and other maladies, and the facts that foods require water to digest properly, processed foods contain many artificial ingredients which the body must eliminate (or try to), required more water to do so, etc., I am of the opinion that many people are not drinking sufficient water and also not drinking purified or filtered water. Yes, and such manifold considerations are precisely why my answer re: 'how much water to drink' begins with It depends...,' meaning people should study their particular condition rather than accept facile presciptives from the media grapevine. Drinking tap water will compound the above- mentioned problems. One of the factors determining a particular individual's water requirement is internal toxicity, the need to flush out pollutants as well as metabolic wastes. My comments concern how much water is needed for *hydration*, not remediation of deleterious habits lifestyles. I know of someone who *never* drinks water because of the purity of his diet of 100% raw, high-water-content produce (although I don't recommend this, for aforementioned reasons: there's a time to nourish and a time to cleanse). As for 'how much RAW TAP WATER a persons needs,' that's an erroneous question. My comments concern pure WATER, not a pestiferous solution of fluoride, chlorine, petrochemicals pharmaceutical traces. I run spring water (never fluoridated) through a microbe-trapping medium and a mixed resin bed filter (as labratories use to make de-ionized water) that removes most chemicals, including 99% of whatever fluoride is present (via ion exchange with activated alumina). Then I add a few drops of full-spectrum ionic minerals made form filtered, 100x-concentrated sea water sans sodium salt (see http://www.survivalsystem.com, click on Complete Dietary Minerals , and then the Sea Minerals pic. NOTE: For the best food-form source of *minerals*, click on A SIMPLE, 1-STEP ANSWER TO ALL THE ABOVE). Coffee is a diuretic and one could not logically count it as water intake, as it causes the body to eliminate water and speeds up the metabolism, which requires more water. Juice and sodas contain much sugar, which requires plain water to digest and eliminate (not to mention the overloading of sugar in daily diets leading to diabetes and other problems). I've no reason to disagree with Dr. Lorraine Day's insistance that common diuretics like coffee displace more water than they provide. I've long since abandoned all caffiene, sodas, and refined (esp. synthetic) sweeteners. Again--the question of 'how much water to drink' presupposes what one needs the water *for*...to counteract dehydration from diuretics? ...to dilute phosphric acid from cola? ...to flush out toxic food preservatives (biocidal poisons), dyes (from petrochemicals) artificial flavorings (from coal tar)? Reversing the ravages of dietary ignorance requires *eliminating* toxic intake, as well as *taking in* many beneficial substances, of which pure water is only one! (The other categories are on the 'Menu' at http://www.survivalsystem.com.) The maladies you cited--hemorrhoids, cancer of the colon, spastic colon, etc.--suggest concurrent problems that far exceed insufficient water intake! Eight glasses a day is not by any means a large amount unless you have a very small body (midgets and small children would need less obviously) for an average sized person in my opinion. And this is an average. Some may need more, some may need less... Precisely--it depends! And it depends on many other factors besides body weight, not to mention the question of timing, *when* it's benficial to drink water or not. Why did so many people die in the recent heat waves? They did not replace sufficient water and minerals (salt and potassium, among others) most likely. Agreed--who among them had sufficient mineral intake? Moreover, what dietary toxins were they contending with simultaneously? What essential nutrients had been chronically absent from their diets? Physical resistance, stamina, immunity result from a person's total lifestyle; death isn't usually attributable to any single factor. Such is the wholistic health perspective. The person whose email I initially forwarded happens to be extremely sophisitcated regarding health, so our remarks concerned only the amount of pure required for hydration, not therapy for various forms of lifestyle-induced
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
I can check with the chemists but I believe that meth is easy enough to make from fairly easily obtained and inexpensive base chemicals that using commerical pills as a starter would not be economical. It's a dangerous process but not a hard one. Are you sure they're making methamphetamine and not just concentrating pseudo-ephedrine into a crystaline form? They are definately making meth. And they are definately using pseuphedrine and other cold pills as part of the base - takes other chemicals as well. Smells like a sewer when they make the stuff - set up labs often in temporary sites, like rent a hotel room for a week, move when folks start complaining about the smell. Do it in a mobil home that they keep moving. That kind of thing. Mobil home or hotel rental work well since they have to move around to get enough of the pseuphedrine. Cops are finding labs by watching the pseuphedrine sales - mandatory reporting on multiple packages bought at one store. All sales videorecorded. They track back from the sale to find the buyer, and trace the lab from that. Its the new cash crop of SEK. Lots of burnt out farmers have a lab going in a back barn There may be other ways for chemists to get the chemicals, but around here either folks don't know how to get the stuff another way, or this is the onlyrecipe they know. Its big business around here. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSubmerged Pump
I haven't ever seen any buildup on the electrodes at ANY water velocity. It's because the generator reverses the polarity to the electrodes continually which pushes the accumulated silver off the cathode each cycle. Basically self cleaning. I can set the pump volume with a control on the front of the pump. As long as there's enough water flow through the electrode assembly it seems to make no difference how fast the water moves. I like to see the surface roiling as that indicates to me there's enough velocity for sure. The silver falls to the bottom of the vessel and when the CS is drained through the spigot, the silver stays in the bottom and the clear CS pours out. Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: Re: CSSubmerged Pump I've found the the water circulation speed doesn't have an effect on the CS quality but it does have an effect on deposit buildups on the electrodes [the grey fuzzies] which in turn have an effect on auto off calibration because the deposits are semi insulative. They tend to grow into the direction of the water flow and fall off if they get too thick making a layer of crud in the bottom. There is a sweet spot under which these effects are not a problem. I'm assuming that the SG7 has found and is using that perfect water velocity range commensurate with the electrode spacing and current to prevent crud buildup and drop off. Ode At 08:56 AM 8/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: Can I jump in here? We use 7/16 to 1/2 inch spacing on our SG7 Pro. With the electrodes that close together the current gradient between plates is pretty strong right at startup and we reach current limiting very quickly. However the water has to be moving fairly rapidly or the unit will shut down because it senses voltage drop across the electrodes to control the shutoff point. We use a submergible fountain pump to keep the water moving vigorously. The idea that it takes very slow water movement to produce good CS doesn't have any effect on our generator. It produces particle size in the general range of .001 to .005 microns. So, I think closer is better if you can keep the water moving. Why have to wait to get up to speed? My 2 cents. Regards, Trem Williams mailto:customer_serv...@silvergen.comcustomer_serv...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: mailto:ascottsil...@aol.comascottsil...@aol.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: CSSubmerged Pump Hi Ole Bob, Wouldn't spacing the electrodes farther apart be a good thing if you were producing a couple of gallons at a time and your power supply was set up to compensate for it? It seems to me that it might speed things up a little. Does a slow start (low voltage) or a fast start (higher voltage) make a difference if the final current is limited? Andy From: Robert Berger Hi Andy, The current drops down and it takes longer to get to the current limiting level. Ole Bob ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Ole Bob, What happens when you increase the anode to cathode spacing? Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Ode Coyote 8/25/03 5:11 AM Wrote: they say Don't do it..and if you do, we'll toss you in jail. ** There was a song, a few lines of which were as follows: ... if it makes you happy it's wrong - wrong - wrong, if it makes you happy it's wrong. Talk about spoil sports. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSColloidal gold
Hi List, I've been recently making CG using HVAC underwater arcing. It sometimes comes out violet and sometimes more of a gray color but it's always crystal clear . It seems the arc spacing has a bearing on this. Does anyone else make it using HVAC and if so would you be interested in comparing notes? Off list will be fine unless others want to hear too. I'm not sure what the ionic/colloidal ratio is but the PWT reads between 8 and 10 usually. And it doesn't seem to be any different on the two colors. I've been drinking it but also want to compare notes with others about their responses to it. Trem t...@silvergen.com
Re: CSColloidal gold
Hi Trem, I spent a couple of months fiddling with underwater arc for colloidal gold. The first lesson that I learned was to keep the DW as cold as possible so as to sustain the arc. I used a large pot to hold ice water to keep the brew cell cold. One other person set up a recirculating system with a 250 gallon child's wading pool to cool the recirc. water. I had best results when the arc was abut 1/2 below the water surface. However that required that the gold electrodes were incased in pyres glass so that only about 1/8 of gold was exposed. I also found the by having the tip of an adjustable elctrode strike the other (fixed) electrode on its side, I had better arc control and could adjust the arc with power on. Be careful here on how you insulate the moving electrode as 15 kv gives a nasty bit! I just took a break to measure the CG that I have on the shelf. 1.84 ppm; Cf =37 uS/cm; Very light violet in color 3 ppm; Cf = 12 uS/cm; light violet in color 8-10 ppm (mesogold) Cf =31 uS/cm light redwine color. The 1.84 and the 3 ppm were measured by Lynn Kimball. I guess I need to set up and make some more. I even made a thermoelectric cooler to try on this project. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRobert, The Plates Arrived Safe and Sound
Hi Robert, I just wanted to let you know your two 1x6 plates arrived today safe and sound. Man, there's enough silver there to sink a battleship:) I opened the package - WOW! There's already mounting screws attached. This will make it very simple to set up. Thanks for the kind letter, and the plots. The one showing conductance vs time was very interesting - it is practically a straight line. This is very encouraging. It says if we can measure conductance accurately enough, we should be able to tell when silver ions start plating out on the cathode and the beginning of formation of AgOH at the electrodes. This will allow real-time measurement of the ppm and give the ability to separate the ionic and particulate contributions as they occur. The AD7791's arrived also. I would love to start building the system right now but have too many other things that must be done first. I'll post a progress report on Sunday. Thanks! Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal gold
Hi Bob, Thanks for the feedback. I circulate 55 degree tap water around the production vessel and that's about as cool as it gets. I don't want to get into using ice if at all possible. Did notice the CG got pretty warm and started evaporating without the cooling tank. I'm arcing about 2 inches underwater and am using glass tubes to enclose the electrodes. I also leave about 1/8 to 1/4 extending beyond the tube ends. I notice two types of arcing. If the electrodes are about 3/32 apart the sound is fairly loud with fresh DW and the arc is a bright blue with quite a few bubbles formed. As the water gets more gold in it the arc wants to extinguish so I have to narrow the gap. It then makes a more uniform sizzling sound reminiscent of eggs frying. and the arc color changes to a reddish blue. I'm only using 9 KV at 60 Ma. So the arc stability is a problem as the water gets conductive. It has to be about 1/16 after a while. Did you notice the bubbling, arc color and spacing had anything to do with the end CG color? I seem unable to pin down the reason for it being violet one time and gray the next. Trem - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Re: CSColloidal gold Hi Trem, I spent a couple of months fiddling with underwater arc for colloidal gold. The first lesson that I learned was to keep the DW as cold as possible so as to sustain the arc. I used a large pot to hold ice water to keep the brew cell cold. One other person set up a recirculating system with a 250 gallon child's wading pool to cool the recirc. water. I had best results when the arc was abut 1/2 below the water surface. However that required that the gold electrodes were incased in pyres glass so that only about 1/8 of gold was exposed. I also found the by having the tip of an adjustable elctrode strike the other (fixed) electrode on its side, I had better arc control and could adjust the arc with power on. Be careful here on how you insulate the moving electrode as 15 kv gives a nasty bit! I just took a break to measure the CG that I have on the shelf. 1.84 ppm; Cf =37 uS/cm; Very light violet in color 3 ppm; Cf = 12 uS/cm; light violet in color 8-10 ppm (mesogold) Cf =31 uS/cm light redwine color. The 1.84 and the 3 ppm were measured by Lynn Kimball. I guess I need to set up and make some more. I even made a thermoelectric cooler to try on this project. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal gold
Trem Robert, As usual, any color indicates particles, not ions. I suppose metallic gold has its uses, but so far I have found no clear references to the health effects of gold ions. I know my Japanese friends have paid fortunes to buy me drinks with gold flakes, or dinner with gold plated desserts. I really don't think it had any effect on me whatsoever. I found a few reports that it helps arthritus and some that it cured cancer. We could probably do the same thing by depositing 3 billion Swiss francs in that person's account. The effect of silver ions on bacteria and viruses is well documented. But why should gold ions have any health benefits, other than psychological? Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal gold
- Original Message - From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: CSColloidal gold I would be very interested in hearing about Colloidal Gold making! Keep it on the list if at all possible. Thanks, Dan PS What are people using the colloidal gold for? Trem wrote: Re: CSColloidal gold From: Trem Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:33:21 -- -- Hi List, I've been recently making CG using HVAC underwater arcing. It sometimes comes out violet and sometimes more of a gray color but it's always crystal clear . It seems the arc spacing has a bearing on this. Does anyone else make it using HVAC and if so would you be interested in comparing notes? Off list will be fine unless others want to hear too. I'm not sure what the ionic/colloidal ratio is but the PWT reads between 8 and 10 usually. And it doesn't seem to be any different on the two colors. I've been drinking it but also want to compare notes with others about their responses to it. Trem t...@silvergen.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
I've posted on this before, but hay fever allergies can have a root cause of a food allergy eaten frequently that causes hypersensitivity to pollens. The pulse test can help you find food allergies- eat a single food for breakfast, take your pulse before and after 30 minutes- an appreciable rise ( 8-10 BPM) in resting pulse rate indicates an allergy. All the symptoms of hay fever can be treated by eating tripe (cow stomach) every day for 2-3 weeks. It tastes good cooked with ginger. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
My youngest uncle was killed by someone who carries a stethoscope . . . not until he was in a coma and dying, did they discover (through a bone marrow test) that he was treated for the wrong disease for 2 years. The medication he took was feeding the disease and it killed him at 34 years of age. Now if he would have taken Colloidal Silver or Coral Calcium or Noni Juice or Transfer Factor, or whatever supplement that he would have chosen, his death would have made national news with the FDA saying the natural supplements killed him . . . but, it was not news, it is a regular occurrence here in America. I am thankful for doctors for emergencies and other times that we may need them, I just do not depend on them to enhance my health. Best regards, Orpha www.v4l.com/ProsperandbeinHealth 3 John 2 - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra Yep, you are over 1,000 times as likely to be killed by someone that owns a stethoscope than a gun. Marshall Orpha Yoder wrote: Leading killer in America: Heart Disease Second leading killer: Cancer Third leading killer: Medical and hospital errors, etc . . . Sobering facts. - Orpha - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra Dick Rochon 8/22/03 11:07 AM Wrote: Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! Aspirin causes hundreds, or more, every year. *** So do doctors and pharmacists and hospitals... Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Dear Orpha, You said: My youngest uncle was killed by someone who carries a stethoscope . . . not until he was in a coma and dying, did they discover (through a bone marrow test) that he was treated for the wrong disease for 2 years. The medication he took was feeding the disease and it killed him at 34 years of age. Now if he would have taken Colloidal Silver or Coral Calcium or Noni Juice or Transfer Factor, or whatever supplement that he would have chosen, his death would have made national news with the FDA saying the natural supplements killed him . . . but, it was not news, it is a regular occurrence here in America. ** This is a powerful statement, not just because of the message, but because of how simply it is stated without the emotional content. The truth in it stands out because of these things. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Thank you, Catherine! I want to keep my emotions in check but the pain is real and brings tears to my eyes yet . . . it was so sad to see my uncle and close friend go . . . he had 4 beautiful children and a wife that loved him dearly, they were devastated! This happened about 8 years ago, before I knew much about Colloidal Silver and some of the other marvelous products that I use now. Truth is stranger then fiction . . . the amazing story for my uncle's widowed wife, Sarann, is that she is now married to my brother!!! No, my brother did not marry his aunt, but his uncle's wife They are very happily married and have been married for 5 years. They are now expecting their 3rd child. This will make child number 7 for the house! Yes, they are blest! Really, can you imagine how this messed up the family tree? So my aunt is now my sister-in-law and my cousins are my nieces and nephews . . . but they are very happy and it does you good be around the family. The children have adjusted well, they talk about their daddy in heaven, and they call my brother daddy - he is their daddy on earth. To the rest of you, sorry about the diversion from Colloidal Silver! Hey, I figured some of these technical minds need a break on the group here! Best wishes to all! Orpha www.v4l.com/ProsperandbeinHealth 3 John 2 - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:52 PM Subject: Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra Dear Orpha, You said: My youngest uncle was killed by someone who carries a stethoscope . . . not until he was in a coma and dying, did they discover (through a bone marrow test) that he was treated for the wrong disease for 2 years. The medication he took was feeding the disease and it killed him at 34 years of age. Now if he would have taken Colloidal Silver or Coral Calcium or Noni Juice or Transfer Factor, or whatever supplement that he would have chosen, his death would have made national news with the FDA saying the natural supplements killed him . . . but, it was not news, it is a regular occurrence here in America. ** This is a powerful statement, not just because of the message, but because of how simply it is stated without the emotional content. The truth in it stands out because of these things. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Colloidal gold
I would be very interested in hearing about Colloidal Gold making!---Dan It's been discussed many times, so there's plenty in the archives, too: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
