Re: CSCS generator
I'd like to know how your salt test can easily tell CS strength within 5 ppm AND be a very subjective test. What quantities of salt are needed to test what quantities of CS and then with each given quantity what is the ppm? At 05:22 PM 10/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63112.html CSCS generator From: Trem Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:44:14 Mike, I guess when you're broke anything seems expensive. The PWT is a precision device and is really not expensive at all. It is also NOT difficult to know if it is calibrated properly. Just put the meter into a small amount of calibration solution and if it doesn't read the proper number, just take the small screwdriver which is supplied with the meter and adjust it. That isn't rocket science. Little old grandmothers and teens do all the time. Come on. using salt to tell PPM is just about the same as saying how high is up. It's too subjective. Trem Hi Trem, There are plenty of posts in the archives discussing problems with the PWT and getting it calibrated. Some people have even discarded theirs. How do you verify the calibration solution is still good? After collecting data from you, Frank, and Ivan, I'm now convinced it is a very valuable instrument, and I plan to get one soon. Then I'll attack the calibration issue. The salt test is very subjective, as you say. It's a quick test when nothing else is available, and it can easily tell the ppm in about 5 ppm increments. Often, that's good enough to tell if something has gone wrong with the process, or to see a change after adding H2O2 or vinegar to the cs. Or see if the Hanna has gone haywire:) We need all the crosschecks we can get to confirm everything is working properly. I'm now converted to the Hanna, thanks to your information. But I'll continue using the salt test when it is appropriate. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi Ken, I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to your posts recently. They force me to think, and the headaches from the mold spores made that impossible. So I tackled the easy ones, like solar flares:) snip. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a headache and can't continue. Here's a url that might give some more useful information: http://www.mold-survivor.com/ Mold is deadly. I'd take it very seriously if you are showing any of the typical symptoms. You can find a list at the above url, and also on some of the EPA pages on mold. On the other hand, it could be something else completely harmless and easily treated. But do more research to find out for sure. BTW, Doctors don't have a clue about mold. You need to do your own research and find out yourself what is going on. I hope this helps, and that you always stay in good health. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmeasuring ppm of a 2nd variety of concentrated CS
Mike, I suppose I have assumed that only one patent has existed, that issued to Katadyn in the early 1930's. What I have recently learned is that to this day Katadyn uses very fine particulate silver metal, mixed in with there clay, then formed, dried and fired. But CS works well too, many companies using one form or the other, and I feel confident about our generator. Does anyone know where we could get the very fine particulate silver metal, down to 100 nanometers or so? So far I've heard nothing about where this might be available, let alone considering production in a particular country. And as you may know importation can be far easier said than done. Reid Mike Monett said: Hi Reid, Have you done a search at the USPTO for information on how commercial ceramic filters are impregnated with silver? This might give some valuable hints. http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmeasuring ppm of a 2nd variety of concentrated CS
Trem, Yes, wall thickness at the base of the candle is about 4mm. thicker than at the top. But we have a lot of thickness to begin with, averaging 2.5 cms. As it turns out the void on the inside of the cylinder is tapered, a requirement for the inner, stainless steel spindle used in the forming process. This taper helps facilitate easy release. So the lower end of the candle corresponds with the upper end of the spindle, where diameter is 8mms. less. Reid Hi Reid, Have you considered making the candle wall thicker at the bottom so the increased head pressure will not push the water through as fast? Trem -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHeated CS
Hi all! Does anyone out there have any technical feedback on whether the properties of CS change when heated and/or boiled? Many thanks! Yvonne :o)
Re: CSColloidal Master Generator - Opinions
Aloha Lisa. I am not familiar with the Colloidal Master CS Generator. However, I own the $99 Silverpuppy and I am very happy with it It comes with a beaker, a thermal stirrer stand and a set of silver electrodes. This unit has auto shut-off when done, and a by-pass switch if you want higher ppm. It also gives an indication of the quality of the DW before brewing. It is very easy to use - a set it and forget it unit. :-) I also own a Hanna PWT and a laser pointer, but these are not really necessary, just convenient and very useful to have. You can check this unit out for yourself at:- http://www.silverpuppy.com You might also want to check out this web site: - http://www.silvergen.com Warmest Regards, Helena ~~~ At 06:20 PM 10/06/2003, you wrote: Just looking for opinions about the Colloidal Master Generator. Has anyone here used it? What do you like or not like about it? [ www.colloidal-metals.com www.wishgranted.com ] Looking at the information I thought this was what I wanted to buy as it seemed to be the easiest to use and reasonably priced. Everyone seems to really like and suggest the Silver Puppy though. I asked these questions about the Colloidal Master on another list and one person thought that I would need to also purchase an aquarium bubbler for stirring if I were to buy this generator? Any thoughts? Would I be better off with a Silver Puppy? Thanks for any suggestions, Lisa
Re: CSHeated CS
Heating CS excessively causes increased Browing movement which can cause aggregation of the particles, increasing their size, and possibly causing precipitation. Marshall BioSil wrote: Hi all! Does anyone out there have any technical feedback on whether the properties of CS change when heated and/or boiled? Many thanks!Yvonne :o)
RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms
Hello, A friend---60s good health generally---was diagnosed by regular western MDs as having pulmonary mold; nothing further. He was sick for months with an unproductive cough and he lost 25 pounds. Three days of occasional use of Brooks' group's airbrush with CSPro HVAC 10 mg/L driven with O2 and he was almost symptom free. In a week he showed no symptoms and has remained symptom free for more than two years. JOH -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a headache and can't continue. Here's a url that might give some more useful information: http://www.mold-survivor.com/ Mold is deadly. I'd take it very seriously if you are showing any of the typical symptoms. You can find a list at the above url, and also on some of the EPA pages on mold. On the other hand, it could be something else completely harmless and easily treated. But do more research to find out for sure. BTW, Doctors don't have a clue about mold. You need to do your own research and find out yourself what is going on. I hope this helps, and that you always stay in good health. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms
Hi Turtle, My heaqrt goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a headache and can't continue. Here's a url that might give some more useful information: http://www.mold-survivor.com/ Mold is deadly. I'd take it very seriously if you are showing any of the typical symptoms. You can find a list at the above url, and also on some of the EPA pages on mold. On the other hand, it could be something else completely harmless and easily treated. But do more research to find out for sure. BTW, Doctors don't have a clue about mold. You need to do your own research and find out yourself what is going on. I hope this helps, and that you always stay in good health. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS generator
Stuff, You are dreaming. The salt test is very subjective. Get an ISE or spectrophotometer test so that you know what you have. Ole Bob: Stuff wrote: I'd like to know how your salt test can easily tell CS strength within 5 ppm AND be a very subjective test. What quantities of salt are needed to test what quantities of CS and then with each given quantity what is the ppm? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms
Sorry Turtle Mike, that was an Ultra-violet light in the A/C system. -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Hi Turtle, My heaqrt goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a headache and can't continue. Here's a url that might give some more useful information: http://www.mold-survivor.com/ Mold is deadly. I'd take it very seriously if you are showing any of the typical symptoms. You can find a list at the above url, and also on some of the EPA pages on mold. On the other hand, it could be something else completely harmless and easily treated. But do more research to find out for sure. BTW, Doctors don't have a clue about mold. You need to do your own research and find out yourself what is going on. I hope this helps, and that you always stay in good health. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHanna Tester
Hi Trem and all; I just bought a Hanna DiST WP4. It was not untill I got home that I found the tester comes in more than one range. The range on this one is 0 - 19.99ms/cm. Is this the one I need for CS testing or do I need a higher range? Thanks for your help; Bruce A - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEIS Generation Help
You will find that each of us have their own area of expertise. In general many, if not most of us, do not respond to areas that they do not feel confident in. It is quite likely that you have asked a question that those who read it do not feel qualified to answer, and those who are qualified were either too busy to respond, or missed the post. That can happen when the list gets real busy like it has been lately. Marshall bruce...@intergate.com wrote: Greetings List; I ask for your help in design/building my first CS generator and I was most gratified by the immediate response of a couple of questions, which I answered, and some related talk between members. But then it just died. Did I do or say something that offended? Or am I just too new to gage response time? Regards; Bruce A - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEIS Generation Help
Greetings List; I ask for your help in design/building my first CS generator and I was most gratified by the immediate response of a couple of questions, which I answered, and some related talk between members. But then it just died. Did I do or say something that offended? Or am I just too new to gage response time? Regards; Bruce A - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms
Ultra-Violet and Infra-Red are they one and the same. Both are listed. This sounds interesting How good is a Electronic air Cleaner mounted on Cold Air Return to furnace what will it take out. Bob -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Sorry Turtle Mike, that was an Ultra-violet light in the A/C system. -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Hi Turtle, My heaqrt goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a headache and can't continue. Here's a url that might give some more useful information: http://www.mold-survivor.com/ Mold is deadly. I'd take it very seriously if you are showing any of the typical symptoms. You can find a list at the above url, and also on some of the EPA pages on mold. On the other hand, it could be something else completely harmless and easily treated. But do more research to find out for sure. BTW, Doctors don't have a clue about mold. You need to do your own research and find out yourself what is going on. I hope this helps, and that you always stay in good health. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS CS njections
Any solution for IV use must be isotonic and pyrogen free, -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEIS Generation Help
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63233.html CSEIS Generation Help From: (view other messages by this author) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:32:28 Greetings List; I ask for your help in design/building my first CS generator and I was most gratified by the immediate response of a couple of questions, which I answered, and some related talk between members. But then it just died. Did I do or say something that offended? Or am I just too new to gage response time? Regards; Bruce A Hi Bruce, No, you didn't offend anyone. Your posts are very polite and friendly. I should have responded to your last post, but I started getting headaches again and could not help. From what I recall, you may have descided to abandon the stainless steel cathode and huge anode. Another approach that might help get you started would be to make two electrodes shaped in a W that fit inside a 1/2 litre drinking glass. If you have not already bought the silver wire, 12 ga has a bit more area and is stiffer than 14 ga., but 14 ga would work if you already have it. The biggest problem if trying to make the cs too quickly. I believe you have 35V or 40V available, which helps considerably. You will need to make the unit and fill it with dw, then measure the initial voltage across the cell when voltage is first applied. You can use a 100k series resistor for the first reading then just calculate the unknown using standard voltage divider equations. You have to work fast. The cell resistance drops quickly as soon as ions enter the solution. Once you know the initial cell resistance, you can start by making the series resistor the same value. As the conductance of the cell increases, the current will also increase. But it will be limited by the series resistor and you won't have problems with the exponential runaway that normally occurs with a constant voltage source. Let it run until you start getting oxide or sludge on the electrodes. This tell when tyou have pretty much reached the maximum concentration of ions for your configuration. Measure the current at intervals, then integrate the current vs time curve in WPlot to get the average. Toss that in Mercury to see how much silver was liberated. You have to account for the visible deposits, and also the oxide particles that are too small to see. This will reduce the ppm from the calculated value. A Hanna PWT can be used to confirm your measurements and calculations. You can improve the system by looking for good quality dw that gives the highest ppm value, and by changing the series resistor to control the average current density. You can check the archives for more information. I just did something very stupid in Windows, and if I don't stop now I will destroy my desktop. Sorry - Bye! Good Luck! Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms
Er...I don't thik so. UV is the very short wavelengths of light, and IR is the very long wavelengths. They behave very differently. JOH -Original Message- From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:23 AM To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Ultra-Violet and Infra-Red are they one and the same. Both are listed. This sounds interesting How good is a Electronic air Cleaner mounted on Cold Air Return to furnace what will it take out. Bob -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Sorry Turtle Mike, that was an Ultra-violet light in the A/C system. -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Hi Turtle, My heaqrt goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a headache and can't continue. Here's a url that might give some more useful information: http://www.mold-survivor.com/ Mold is deadly. I'd take it very seriously if you are showing any of the typical symptoms. You can find a list at the above url, and also on some of the EPA pages on mold. On the other hand, it could be something else completely harmless and easily treated. But do more research to find out for sure. BTW, Doctors don't have a clue about mold. You need to do your own research and find out yourself what is going on. I hope this helps, and that you always stay in good health. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to:
Re: CSSalt test
Dan Nave 10/7/03 5:22 PM Wrote: Jack, you're an ass. Take your own advice and be nice. ** I'm sure that you are aware of the qualification for recognition of asses. Jack Dayton - - - - - - - - - Dan Nave 10/7/03 10:26 AM Wrote: Everyone has salt. That's right Dan, and I wouldn't have my eggs, water mellon or cantaloupe without some, but I have had the results of my CS production properly tested, and I'm satisfied with the probability that the next batch of CS produced by my SG6 will be substantially the same as the previous ones -- moon phase, ion storms etc, not withstanding. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDan and Jack
cking...@nycap.rr.com 10/7/03 7:21 PM Wrote: Aw c'mon Mike, Since Bob 'n Mike M broke up, it's been a little dull... ** Thanks Chuck, (I think ) but I,m afraid that I won't be the one enlivening the list with biting repartee,when, in the past I have encountered what I consider to be ridiculous time wasting posts, I merely stop opening things by those authors. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms
RE: CSMeasuring very high ppmsBob, I believe they would be 2 different things mine IS ultra-violet--check with your A/C people--they installed mine. It should take out purify all bad things in your air. If more info is needed, let me know. There is also a small portable 1-room air cleaner unit for under $100. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:23 AM To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Ultra-Violet and Infra-Red are they one and the same. Both are listed. This sounds interesting How good is a Electronic air Cleaner mounted on Cold Air Return to furnace what will it take out. Bob -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Sorry Turtle Mike, that was an Ultra-violet light in the A/C system. -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Hi Turtle, My heaqrt goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a headache and can't continue. Here's a url that might give some more useful information: http://www.mold-survivor.com/ Mold is deadly. I'd take it very seriously if you are showing any of the typical symptoms. You can find a list at the above url, and also on some of the EPA pages on mold. On the other hand, it could be something else completely harmless and easily treated. But do more research to find out for sure. BTW, Doctors don't have a clue about mold. You need to do your own research and find out yourself what is going
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
UV will kill pathogens, IR will warm them up and usually make them reproduce faster. Marshall Richard Harris wrote: Bob,I believe they would be 2 different things mine IS ultra-violet--check with your A/C people--they installed mine. It should take out purify all bad things in your air. If more info is needed, let me know. There is also a small portable 1-room air cleaner unit for under $100.Best regards,Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:23 AM To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Ultra-Violet and Infra-Red are they one and the same. Both are listed. This sounds interesting How good is a Electronic air Cleaner mounted on Cold Air Return to furnace what will it take out. Bob -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Sorry Turtle Mike, that was an Ultra-violet light in the A/C system. -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Hi Turtle, My heaqrt goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a
Re: CSEIS Generation Help
Thank you lMarshall. I'm learning. Bruce A Quoting Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com: You will find that each of us have their own area of expertise. In general many, if not most of us, do not respond to areas that they do not feel confident in. It is quite likely that you have asked a question that those who read it do not feel qualified to answer, and those who are qualified were either too busy to respond, or missed the post. That can happen when the list gets real busy like it has been lately. Marshall bruce...@intergate.com wrote: Greetings List; I ask for your help in design/building my first CS generator and I was most gratified by the immediate response of a couple of questions, which I answered, and some related talk between members. But then it just died. Did I do or say something that offended? Or am I just too new to gage response time? Regards; Bruce A - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: CSCS generator
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63229.html Re: CSCS generator From: Robert Berger Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:39:55 Stuff wrote: I'd like to know how your salt test can easily tell CS strength within 5 ppm AND be a very subjective test. What quantities of salt are needed to test what quantities of CS and then with each given quantity what is the ppm? Stuff, You are dreaming. The salt test is very subjective. Get an ISE or spectrophotometer test so that you know what you have. Ole Bob: Hi Stuff, First of all, you really don't need to send your cs to a lab unless you are producing it commercially. If you are young and healthy, it really doesn't matter how good or bad the cs is. Many people have obtained great benefit with a 3 nines generator despite huge variations in quality of the dw, electrode length and placement, variability in brew times, battery voltage, and so on. It works fine to kill bacteria, help heal minor cuts, and even some of the weaker viruses. The salt test is ideal in these circumstances to show you indeed have cs, and to give an idea how strong it is. I posted a brief table a while ago that gives a rough guide. This is in 10 ppm increments, but you can easily interpolate between the readings and judge the concentration within 5 ppm: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61467.html Since then, I discovered Bob Lee's Faraday calculations, and found how useful Mercury is to calculate the amount of silver liberated. I also realized it would be possible to measure the time it takes for the dispersion to appear, which would give more objective information on the amount of silver present. I have not had time to run through the process in small increments, but it would vastly increase the usefulness of the test. It is really not necessary to send you cs to a lab, especially if you are young and healthy. It won't tell you much about variations in your process, where the salt test can be used daily at very little cost. If you do decide to get an analysis, make sure you use a lab that has demonstrated competence in this field. One good way to verify is to check the correlation between uS and ppm. As Trem, Frank, Ivan, and Ken agree, there should be a close correlation between these two parameters. Right now, Frank's analysis looks to be the best available. He has published reports on various products on his web site, and they show that he knows how to get accurate measurements. He also has NIST traceability, which is necessary to ensure his calibration references remain accurate. But most people have never sent their cs to a lab. There's really no need, especially if you are using one of the better cs generators discussed here. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHanna Tester
Hi Bruce, That meter will not be useful for measuring CS. The range is 0-20,000 uS. It is designed to measure mineral content in waste water, etc. You need an instrument that will read in the range of 0-100 uS. You need the PWT meter (HI 98308). Trem - Original Message - From: bruce...@intergate.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:51 AM Subject: [silver_list] CSHanna Tester Hi Trem and all; I just bought a Hanna DiST WP4. It was not untill I got home that I found the tester comes in more than one range. The range on this one is 0 - 19.99ms/cm. Is this the one I need for CS testing or do I need a higher range? Thanks for your help; Bruce A - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDan and Jack
Sorry Mike. Just my fine analytical mind at work. Dan CSDan and Jack From: M. G. Devour (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:49:54 Dan writes: Jack, you're an ass. Take your own advice and be nice. Ahh, careful gentlebeings. If you feel the need to complain about the conduct of another member, *I* am the audience for that message, not the list as a whole. Calling someone an ass is a personal attack, which is not allowed. Using such language is, in itself, rude. Besideswhich, the particular comment from Jack was not one of his worst. We know some folks like the salt test and others don't. There were a couple of other messages from Jack in other threads today that *do* skate rather close to the edge of rudeness, so I caution you, Jack, as well, sir. Indeed, everyone... be nice. Really. Jack wrote: Everyone has salt. ** That's right Dan, and I wouldn't have my eggs, water mellon or cantaloupe without some, but I have had the results of my CS production properly tested, and I'm satisfied with the probability that the next batch of CS produced by my SG6 will be substantially the same as the previous ones -- moon phase, ion storms etc, not withstanding. Please visit http://www.silverlist.org if you need to review list rules. Thank you. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBruce A
Hi Bruce, Go to my web site at www.hvacsilver.com and look around at all of the links and then email me with your questions. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
Robert, Infa red does not have germ killing powers that are found in the ultra violent end of the spectrum.. They areat different ends of the light spectrum. Ole Bob Medwith, Robert wrote: Ultra-Violet and Infra-Red are they one and the same. Both are listed. This sounds interesting How good is a Electronic air Cleaner mounted on Cold Air Return to furnace what will it take out. NO -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold
Hi Mike, Thanks for your previous post on inductive and other sources of
(non)-interference with CS generators, I'll respond to that when I have a
little more time.
Meanwhile, regarding the presencc of headache producing mold and spores in
your environment, have you tried using the common copper-based garden spray
solutions (Kop-r-spray, Liqui-cop are ones around here)? They contain a
copper ammonium complex resulting in a content of 8% copper expressed as
metallic, and they are just plain effective. Their toxicity is low as far
as I can tell including my own personal bio-assay (yes I tasted some of the
properly diluted stuff years ago when I was -err - even dumber than I am
now) and could detect no bad effects or even significant taste. I don't
know what it would do to the color of laundered cloth, maybe I'll give it a
try on my work clothes, but it should be ok on floors and such household
surfaces.
Please note that I haven't delved into what a copper ammonium complex is,
these days, it may no longer be a simple inorganic (I know, I know)
compound. Just an idea in hope it will help.
Take care, Malcolm
At 07:13 AM 10/7/03 -0400, you wrote:
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63086.html
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
From: Ode Coyote
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 05:43:48
If the PWT ignores oxides and there are a lot of oxides [or
metallic silver micro particles] then the PWT reading equating uS
to PPM will not be at unity.
Hence, the fudge factors.
At 3 uS, it's almost certain that the CS is 99+% ionic and the PWT
will be very close to unity.
At 27 uS, it's unlikely that the CS is more than 90% ionic and
could be less than 80% ionic.
In some cases the PWT can read 13 uS and the suspension can exceed
60% [even 80%?] non ionic silver content as an extremely heavy TE
or display a lot of crud in the bottom or both.
Ode
Hi Ken,
I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to your posts recently.
They force me to think, and the headaches from the mold spores made
that impossible. So I tackled the easy ones, like solar flares:)
I have been working with colloidal copper. It is tough to make, but
it is the only thing that has any effect on the spores. I have been
applying it to all the clothing, and the spore levels are finally
starting to decline.
I just spent four glorious hours with no headache, and I know how to
get rid of them when they do return. I also took Marshall's
suggestion and applied the cc to the floors. I didn't think it would
work, but it worked GREAT! I can go into the bathroom and kitchen
without collapsing from the headaches. It also works on my lab
floor.
Thanks, Marshall! You are the man.
Ken, you are right about the oxides messing things up. The goal is
to minimize them, which is why your silverpuppy design is so good. I
love your U-shaped electrodes.
That solved the problem of hot spots at the cut end of straight
rods, increased the rigidity and stability of the alignment, and
doubled the wetted area all at once. Such a simple idea, and so
elegant. I don't mind telling everyone I copied it for my mini-W
generator.
These advances allow pretty good ppm, and minimize the production of
oxides.
We are now left with the ions, and how to measure them.
There really should be a correlation between ppm and uS. Conductance
measures the number of ions, and ppm measures the mass of the ions.
Since all silver ions have the same mass, measuring one parameter
should give the other. (Unless there's something really wrong with
the process, but nobody adds salt to start their cs anymore:)
The only question left is what is the conversion factor between uS
and ppm?
Trem had his cs analyzed and found the correlation factor was unity
for the ionic portion.
Frank Key measured the uS and ppm on some commercial products and
posted the results at
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html
He separated the ionic and particulate portions and gave their value
separately. I ignored the particulate data.
I selected five products that seem to correlate well. Here is the
list:
Product Name Conductivity Ionic PPM Ratio
~ ~
Silver Lightning3.3 uS/cm3.71 ppm 0.889
Mesosilver 3.9 uS/cm3.9 ppm 1.0
Sovereign Silver9.7 uS/cm9.22 ppm 1.052
ASAP Solution 11.4 uS/cm 10.65 ppm 1.070
ASAP Solution 20.1 uS/cm 19.59 ppm 1.026
The average is
0.889 + 1.0 + 1.052 + 1.070 + 1.026 = 5.037 / 5 = 1.0074
Ivan posted a table comparing uS and ppm. Note it tracks above 20
ppm within 1 ppm of measurement error:
20uS - 20ppm
21uS - 21ppm
25uS - 26ppm
26uS - 27ppm
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m14498.html
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Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63249.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold From: Malcolm Stebbins Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:47 Hi Mike, Thanks for your previous post on inductive and other sources of (non)-interference with CS generators, I'll respond to that when I have a little more time. Meanwhile, regarding the presencc of headache producing mold and spores in your environment, have you tried using the common copper-based garden spray solutions (Kop-r-spray, Liqui-cop are ones around here)? They contain a copper ammonium complex resulting in a content of 8% copper expressed as metallic, and they are just plain effective. Their toxicity is low as far as I can tell including my own personal bio-assay (yes I tasted some of the properly diluted stuff years ago when I was -err - even dumber than I am now) and could detect no bad effects or even significant taste. I don't know what it would do to the color of laundered cloth, maybe I'll give it a try on my work clothes, but it should be ok on floors and such household surfaces. Please note that I haven't delved into what a copper ammonium complex is, these days, it may no longer be a simple inorganic (I know, I know) compound. Just an idea in hope it will help. Take care, Malcolm Hi Malcom, Thank you very much for your kind words. I searched the web for sporicides many times, but never came across those two products until now. I'll get more information - Thanks! The experiment with colloidal copper is a result of a web page I found that listed various sporicides - some of them clearly toxic - but copper was among them. More research indicated copper is used as a fungicide in treating grapes, and by people who grow roses. Feeling somewhat grapey and rosy, I decided to give it a try. The archives have a few reports, one by Ken that indicated it might work but the ppm would be very low compared to cs. Another recent post by another contributor also showed positive results. I'm sorry I don't remember your name - your post was extremely helpful. It took a while to explore the behavior of copper in dw, and golly, the max ppm is really low. So I push it to get a coating of something on the cathode, then shake the rods so it goes into the dw and forms a light brown tint. This give both types of copper - ions and something else. I figure if one doesn't kill the spores, the other will. This is very effective on fabrics to kill the spores that give the terrible headaches. These were the hardest thing to kill. It also seems effective on the other types of mold that also make me too ill to work. The tenants downstairs live a normal life, and their fabrics generate a constant supply of new spores. These drift up through the floor and cracks between the floor and the walls, even though I have done my best to seal all the cracks with bathroom caulk. The spores create severe problems, but constant spraying and mopping seems to kill them for a while. So finally, there is some progress. I am hanging on the edge with my fingernails - but that's all I need. One tiny crack, one glimmer of hope, and I will make it bigger so more light can come in. For everyone. That's what it is all about. God Bless all of you. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
I am hoping that Richard Harris can give us the benefit of fifty six years of pharmaceutical expertise! I think it is great to have someone with such experience on this list, and I am hoping that Mr. Harris can give us insights, in layman's terms, that others might not have. I for one can deal with scientific subjects so long as the author makes a small effort to avoid unnecessary jargon, and use plain English whenever possible. I am looking forward to many postings apropos the advantages and disadvantages of CS from the viewpoint of the man behind the counter. . . . Here's hoping! JBB On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 03:07 Asia/Tokyo, Richard Harris wrote: Bob, I believe they would be 2 different things mine IS ultra-violet--check with your A/C people--they installed mine. It should take out purify all bad things in your air. If more info is needed, let me know. There is also a small portable 1-room air cleaner unit for under $100. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:23 AM To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Ultra-Violet and Infra-Red are they one and the same. Both are listed. This sounds interesting How good is a Electronic air Cleaner mounted on Cold Air Return to furnace what will it take out. Bob -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Sorry Turtle Mike, that was an Ultra-violet light in the A/C system. -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Hi Turtle, My heaqrt goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from the concrete. They literally ate the concrete away. Be very careful about the claims some people make to stop mold. I found many sites that simply have no idea what they were talking about. I'm sorry - I have too bad a headache and can't continue. Here's a
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold
Mike, Once again, I HIGHLY recommend trying EMX ceramics.You can get a lot of information about these by joining the EMHealth group at Yahoo. I have used the ceramic powder in my apartment to clear up an intractable mold problem in an upstairs closet. (Japanese construction is poor in many cases; no vapor barrier at all.) I am confident that by using the ceramic powder you can eliminate your problems for good. JBB On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 09:11 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63249.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold From: Malcolm Stebbins Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:47 Hi Mike, Thanks for your previous post on inductive and other sources of (non)-interference with CS generators, I'll respond to that when I have a little more time. Meanwhile, regarding the presencc of headache producing mold and spores in your environment, have you tried using the common copper-based garden spray solutions (Kop-r-spray, Liqui-cop are ones around here)? They contain a copper ammonium complex resulting in a content of 8% copper expressed as metallic, and they are just plain effective. Their toxicity is low as far as I can tell including my own personal bio-assay (yes I tasted some of the properly diluted stuff years ago when I was -err - even dumber than I am now) and could detect no bad effects or even significant taste. I don't know what it would do to the color of laundered cloth, maybe I'll give it a try on my work clothes, but it should be ok on floors and such household surfaces. Please note that I haven't delved into what a copper ammonium complex is, these days, it may no longer be a simple inorganic (I know, I know) compound. Just an idea in hope it will help. Take care, Malcolm Hi Malcom, Thank you very much for your kind words. I searched the web for sporicides many times, but never came across those two products until now. I'll get more information - Thanks! The experiment with colloidal copper is a result of a web page I found that listed various sporicides - some of them clearly toxic - but copper was among them. More research indicated copper is used as a fungicide in treating grapes, and by people who grow roses. Feeling somewhat grapey and rosy, I decided to give it a try. The archives have a few reports, one by Ken that indicated it might work but the ppm would be very low compared to cs. Another recent post by another contributor also showed positive results. I'm sorry I don't remember your name - your post was extremely helpful. It took a while to explore the behavior of copper in dw, and golly, the max ppm is really low. So I push it to get a coating of something on the cathode, then shake the rods so it goes into the dw and forms a light brown tint. This give both types of copper - ions and something else. I figure if one doesn't kill the spores, the other will. This is very effective on fabrics to kill the spores that give the terrible headaches. These were the hardest thing to kill. It also seems effective on the other types of mold that also make me too ill to work. The tenants downstairs live a normal life, and their fabrics generate a constant supply of new spores. These drift up through the floor and cracks between the floor and the walls, even though I have done my best to seal all the cracks with bathroom caulk. The spores create severe problems, but constant spraying and mopping seems to kill them for a while. So finally, there is some progress. I am hanging on the edge with my fingernails - but that's all I need. One tiny crack, one glimmer of hope, and I will make it bigger so more light can come in. For everyone. That's what it is all about. God Bless all of you. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
By the way, those interested in hydrogen ions, a topic of the week, should see: http://www.h-minus-ion.org/rH-score-1.html Vinny Pinto runs this site. All of his sites are very informative. JBB On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 09:36 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: I am hoping that Richard Harris can give us the benefit of fifty six years of pharmaceutical expertise! I think it is great to have someone with such experience on this list, and I am hoping that Mr. Harris can give us insights, in layman's terms, that others might not have. I for one can deal with scientific subjects so long as the author makes a small effort to avoid unnecessary jargon, and use plain English whenever possible. I am looking forward to many postings apropos the advantages and disadvantages of CS from the viewpoint of the man behind the counter. . . . Here's hoping! JBB On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 03:07 Asia/Tokyo, Richard Harris wrote: Bob, I believe they would be 2 different things mine IS ultra-violet--check with your A/C people--they installed mine. It should take out purify all bad things in your air. If more info is needed, let me know. There is also a small portable 1-room air cleaner unit for under $100. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:23 AM To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Ultra-Violet and Infra-Red are they one and the same. Both are listed. This sounds interesting How good is a Electronic air Cleaner mounted on Cold Air Return to furnace what will it take out. Bob -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Sorry Turtle Mike, that was an Ultra-violet light in the A/C system. -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms Hi Turtle, My heaqrt goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:31dtzj...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63219.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: turtle Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:20:23 Hi Mike, Can you, are any one on the list tell me how you measure for mold spores? I live with my wife and 3 cats, we all have allergy/flu type symptoms. Have been taking CS for a couple of months. TIA, turtle Hi turtle, I found CS has no effect on mold symptoms. Mold spores can have unpredictable effects. If you become sensitized due to high exposure, it is probably permanent. It can ruin your health and your life. So I would take any symptoms very seriously. I didn't, and I learned too late what can happen. There are so-called mold exterminators that might come and sample the air and try to con you into expensive treatments. Stay away from them. Every home has mold spores and their sample will always turn out positive. The question is what is a safe level. Nobody really knows. It is highly up to an individual's bilogical makeup, and that can change over time as the spores start degrading your immune system. If you go out shopping for a couple of hours, and get a whiff of musty odor when you return and first open the door, mold is growing somewhere in the house. If your symptoms go away when you leave the house for a couple of days, and appear when you return, I'd start thinking seriously about the consequences and about moving. If you have an old home, chances are the basement is not finished properly and may be damp. This is how I got into trouble. It is impossible to keep mold from growing when moisture is available. The spores will grow on anything. The ones that did me grow on concrete, and extract sulphur from
Re: CSHelp please with asthma
HellO :) With c.s., I spray my eyes, drink at least two large glasses per day, and if my lungs are fealing stuffy, I breath a c.s. mist from a nebulizer, while riding a staitionary excecise bike at a gentle pace. That works the c.s. well into my lungs, and gives a really good shot of it directly into the blood stream too... I am saving up for a oxigen breathing regulator, which will be used with welding oxigen... (((IT'S WAY CHEAPER THAN MEDICAL OXIGEN, AND EXACTLY THE SAME GAS))). I'll set it up so that the oxigen comes in right alongside the nebulized c.s. while on the exercycle. I'm betting that this is possibly a powerful way to quick kill the invasives that build up in the lungs, blood lyphatic system... Best Wishes, Alexander - Original Message - From: kittykat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma Yes I do take it orally, but don't know how much to take orally.I'm probably taking too little, about 2 oz a day. debbie - Original Message - From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma Try using CS as nose drops, filling your sinuses as much as you can and holding there as long as you can. Also spray your eyes with CS frequently, and your hands and face, to avoid continually re-infecting yourself. ARe you taking oral CS as well. I haven't caught a single cold, or flu since I started spraying my eyes daily several times. And I always spray them if I've been out in public...When I started doing the spraying, I must say, I didn't really believe it would help, but its amazing. paula
Re: CSHelp please with asthma
HellO :) With c.s., I spray my eyes, drink at least two large glasses per day, and if my lungs are fealing stuffy, I breath a c.s. mist from a nebulizer, while riding a staitionary excecise bike at a gentle pace. That works the c.s. well into my lungs, and gives a really good shot of it directly into the blood stream too... I am saving up for a oxigen breathing regulator, which will be used with welding oxigen... (((IT'S WAY CHEAPER THAN MEDICAL OXIGEN, AND EXACTLY THE SAME GAS))). I'll set it up so that the oxigen comes in right alongside the nebulized c.s. while on the exercycle. I'm betting that this is possibly a powerful way to quick kill the invasives that build up in the lungs, blood lyphatic system... Best Wishes, Alexander - Original Message - From: kittykat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: CSHelp please with asthma If I could ask help from the list. I have asthma and started to have a cold a week ago Monday. I bought an ultrasonic humidifier and started breathing in the mist twice a day for about 20 minutes. Nevertheless, my cold advanced to a body wracking cough as it usually does and I usually have to have steroids to knock it out. I truely believe in CS and want to avoid steroids. I have modified my Sunbeam ultrasonic humidifier and have put a medical grade flexible hose on it, so I am getting all of the CS mist in my lungs by breathing through this hose. I do this a half a hour at a time twice a day. What else can I do to stop this horrible cough that keeps me up at night? Thank you all for your helpfulness. Debbie
Re: CSHelp please with asthma
Hi Alexander, that idea of nebulizing while exercising is an interesting one. Thanks for letting me know. Also, do you drink two large glasses everyday or just when you feel you are getting a cold? Thanks again! Debbie - Original Message - From: colloidal.sil...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: colloidal.sil...@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma HellO :) With c.s., I spray my eyes, drink at least two large glasses per day, and if my lungs are fealing stuffy, I breath a c.s. mist from a nebulizer, while riding a staitionary excecise bike at a gentle pace. That works the c.s. well into my lungs, and gives a really good shot of it directly into the blood stream too... I am saving up for a oxigen breathing regulator, which will be used with welding oxigen... (((IT'S WAY CHEAPER THAN MEDICAL OXIGEN, AND EXACTLY THE SAME GAS))). I'll set it up so that the oxigen comes in right alongside the nebulized c.s. while on the exercycle. I'm betting that this is possibly a powerful way to quick kill the invasives that build up in the lungs, blood lyphatic system... Best Wishes, Alexander - Original Message - From: kittykat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma Yes I do take it orally, but don't know how much to take orally.I'm probably taking too little, about 2 oz a day. debbie - Original Message - From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma Try using CS as nose drops, filling your sinuses as much as you can and holding there as long as you can. Also spray your eyes with CS frequently, and your hands and face, to avoid continually re-infecting yourself. ARe you taking oral CS as well. I haven't caught a single cold, or flu since I started spraying my eyes daily several times. And I always spray them if I've been out in public...When I started doing the spraying, I must say, I didn't really believe it would help, but its amazing. paula
RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63227.html RE: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: Richard Harris Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:31:58 Hi Turtle, My heart goes out to you Mike and all your loved ones. Many people are sensitive to cat dander as well as mold spores. There are new room air filters that are satisfactory for most people in a limited space. Some wag once suggested that the only sure way to remove fleas from a house is to give away or shoot the dogs cats burn the house. I certainly hope your problems don't get that severe. If your home is air conditioned, you can have an infra-red light installed that will even kill anthax as well as most other air-borne problems including mold. Best of luck to all of you. Mike, for your headaches, have you tried wetting a folded paper towel or cloth with CS and placing on forehead over eyes for a few minutes--sometimes that's efeective even for migraines. Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist Hi Richard, Thank you for your kind thoughts. I second Jonathan's post - finally we have someone with extensive knowledge and experience in a very rare specialty. Your posts will be invaluable to everyone on the list. The headaches seem to be caused by spores and not by the toxic gas produced by the fungus. I have a highly-modified HEPA face mask that combines the best features of the 3M valves with the light weight and tight fit of the Northill. (Darned engineers can't stop finding ways to improve things, can we:) Anyway, the slightest exposure to spores gives a very violent headache, nothing like I've experienced before. I used to get this when I made the bed - flipping the sheets and blankets would disperse the spores, and the fun would start. The HEPA filter stops them, but not the vapor they produce. So it seems the problem really is spores from fungus growing in the fabric, and it is very tough to kill. The spores are coated with chitin, the same material that provides the exoskeleton of insects, lobsters, and many other forms of life. It seems to be invulnerable to normal acids and bases. The toxins seem to have a special path to the headache machine. No conventional remedy has any effect whatsoever. Your idea of using cs on a pad never occurred to me - see - that's where your vast experience is so valuable. I'll give it a try and see what happens. Thanks! Just a note on using UV to kill spores - I've seen reports that UVB might be helpful since it is a shorter wavelength than UVA. But the light cannot penetrate deep into fabrics or other material, so any hidden spores might not see the effects. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-
Finally !! Some one else, that can see that Stalin Mao were fascists just like Hitler or worse... Yes the FDA's behavior, can truly be said, at this point, to be supportive of the formation of corporate fascist-dictatorships. Specifically we can observe this type of action in the FDA's attempts to ban C.S. in their hopes of supporting the Chemical-Pharmacutical Indistries attempts at controlling stopping the American citizen's constitutionally guaranteed right to access both C.S. and information about C.S., in a Stalinist / Hitleresq fashion... Bottom line: Fascism is Fascism is Fascism..., ..., ... As of yet, I have only seen true communism practiced within a few intentional communities in the U.S.A. It works very well for them too... Best Regards, Alexander - Original Message - From: rnhffm...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: silver- In a message dated 10/5/03 1:32:11 AM Central Daylight Time, ch...@shaw.ca writes: The Grandfather Clause protects the silver from the communists at the FDA. Since the FDA protect Industry without much regard for the poisons they sell to the public, they do the best they can to prevent anything that is natural and cures many problems It is interesting that, in the pursuit of the truth and with more knowledged acquired in this pursuit, one can find the subtle flaws in each of our thoughts and translations of the truth. The point is, not to take this clarification of the truth as a personal slam on what you think is the truth, but to examine this clarification in order to gain clarity of past confusions. This is the only way to break through. What this confusion is; is the use of the word communism. The vision of communism is nothing more than what exactly millions of good hearted, anti-corrupt authority people have been and are still trying to accomplish. The correct historical definition of what this person is trying to explain is called marxism. It was not the non-truth-informed people who were the problem, it was and still is the very-informed, corrupt people who are the problem. And it is statements like the above, that have 90 percent truth and the rest confusion, whether conscious or not, that have to be clarified to the good hearted confused people, in order to achieve 100 percent clarity. From my experience, it is not easy, but it is possible and the result of this will make the effort very, very worth while. regards, ron
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63253.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:29:30 Mike, Once again, I HIGHLY recommend trying EMX ceramics. You can get a lot of information about these by joining the EMHealth group at Yahoo. I have used the ceramic powder in my apartment to clear up an intractable mold problem in an upstairs closet. (Japanese construction is poor in many cases; no vapor barrier at all.) I am confident that by using the ceramic powder you can eliminate your problems for good. JBB Hi Jonathan, Yes, I lived in Japan for brief periods and I loved it! I think the standing joke was 4 million people ride the train in Tokyo - all in the same car:) Thanks for the reminder on EMX. I did a search for information on this material, and it might be difficult to obtain here in Ottawa. I'm up against a very tight time deadline, so I'll have to go with what I have now and look for improvements later. I need to get out of this apartment and find one with no downstairs tenants. Then I can do more to clean mold from the place. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelp please with asthma
I am not aware of all of the responses you may have received regarding primary/ancillary protocols for asthma presentations. Therefore, upon assumption no one else has mentioned thisI suggest you investigate the utilization of 5% xylitol X saline solution employed as a nasal spray. We have found it to be an excellent supporting protocolsometimes more effective than many primary methodologies. A simple Google search should yield more references than one might enjoy. There does exist unnecessarily pronounced amounts of commercial hype regarding the use of this simkple sugarbut this does not detract from the high degree of effectivity we have enjoyed among our volunteer research group. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. kittykat wrote: Thank you for your reply Richard, up until getting the cold, I have been taking about 1-2 ounces daily orally of the CS. I have held it in my mouth for a while during that time. When I got the cold, I starting using a nose sprayerfull of cs every 15 minutes, hoping to avoid the cold going into my lungs. I would also like to stop this from ever happening again. I have the tools, to prevent this I know, just not the knowledge. Thank you much. Debbie - Original Message - From: Richard Harris mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: RE: CSHelp please with asthma Hi Debbie, Sorry for your problem--you don't mention taking CS orally and that is very important together with your inhalation. I tell my friends with this problem to take a mouthful hourly (holding swishing slightly for 2 to 3 minutes) then swallow. Usually they experience cold and laryngitis relief within a couple of days. Also, you can wet a cloth or folded paper towel with CS and place on forehead and leave on for 30 minutes to clear sinuses and relieve headaches; also you can sniff or spray CS up nose to help clear stuffiness. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr Fl Pharmacist -Original Message- From: kittykat [mailto:kittyka...@foxvalley.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:14 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHelp please with asthma If I could ask help from the list. I have asthma and started to have a cold a week ago Monday. I bought an ultrasonic humidifier and started breathing in the mist twice a day for about 20 minutes. Nevertheless, my cold advanced to a body wracking cough as it usually does and I usually have to have steroids to knock it out. I truely believe in CS and want to avoid steroids. I have modified my Sunbeam ultrasonic humidifier and have put a medical grade flexible hose on it, so I am getting all of the CS mist in my lungs by breathing through this hose. I do this a half a hour at a time twice a day. What else can I do to stop this horrible cough that keeps me up at night? Thank you all for your helpfulness. Debbie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold
Hi, Mike, There is a US distributor that has, I think, the ceramic powder. EMRO is one provider; Sustainable Community Development is another. Please check. I am almost positive that you can get it from the USA. Good luck. JBB On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 10:47 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63253.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:29:30 Mike, Once again, I HIGHLY recommend trying EMX ceramics. You can get a lot of information about these by joining the EMHealth group at Yahoo. I have used the ceramic powder in my apartment to clear up an intractable mold problem in an upstairs closet. (Japanese construction is poor in many cases; no vapor barrier at all.) I am confident that by using the ceramic powder you can eliminate your problems for good. JBB Hi Jonathan, Yes, I lived in Japan for brief periods and I loved it! I think the standing joke was 4 million people ride the train in Tokyo - all in the same car:) Thanks for the reminder on EMX. I did a search for information on this material, and it might be difficult to obtain here in Ottawa. I'm up against a very tight time deadline, so I'll have to go with what I have now and look for improvements later. I need to get out of this apartment and find one with no downstairs tenants. Then I can do more to clean mold from the place. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Debbie :) Every day I drink (2) glasses full (thats at least a quart a day) I use a silvergen sg7 machine to produce this, and just have the generator out in the kitchen 24/7 for ease of access... The strength is set to full: (@20-p.p.m.)... I also ingest C.S. along with the organic milk I drink, as adding @ half a cup to a gallon of milk, litterally makes it spoilproof up to a month... But then I never actually saw any milk spoil with c.s. in it. My opinion of Dr.'s is in trouble these days, as I have directly observed a number of them being a little too eager to get paitents off oxigen therapy... I'm starting to supect that they are litteraly afraid of their patients getting better perminently from the oxigen alone, (((and figuring out that it cured them too))) ??? This method I'm trying can also be combined with Dr. Robert Beck's electro-medical blood treatment... http://www.toolsforhealing.com/Health/Beck/Beck_in_vivo.htm On the nebulizer I'm using a full face mask, so as to make it easy to sit there and peddle the exercycle... Eventually I'll set up my digital camera and take some pics of this all in action for U-all... Also I consume quite a bit of distilled water, and do not under any circumstances consume tap water / soda pop etc... I figure part of the (intentionally undisclosed) cause of asthma, is that the lymphatic system in our bodies, which has twice the fluid volume of our blood, gets backlogged with trying to flush dead pathogens ingested garbage out of the blood body, and this back log builds up into the lungs... So... if the lungs are getting clogged up why not give the body an effective alternate route to flush this material out... Enter stage right...((The Kidneys bladder!!!)) Best Regards, Alexander - Original Message - From: kittykat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma Hi Alexander, that idea of nebulizing while exercising is an interesting one. Thanks for letting me know. Also, do you drink two large glasses everyday or just when you feel you are getting a cold? Thanks again! Debbie - Original Message - From: colloidal.sil...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: colloidal.sil...@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma HellO :) With c.s., I spray my eyes, drink at least two large glasses per day, and if my lungs are fealing stuffy, I breath a c.s. mist from a nebulizer, while riding a staitionary excecise bike at a gentle pace. That works the c.s. well into my lungs, and gives a really good shot of it directly into the blood stream too... I am saving up for a oxigen breathing regulator, which will be used with welding oxigen... (((IT'S WAY CHEAPER THAN MEDICAL OXIGEN, AND EXACTLY THE SAME GAS))). I'll set it up so that the oxigen comes in right alongside the nebulized c.s. while on the exercycle. I'm betting that this is possibly a powerful way to quick kill the invasives that build up in the lungs, blood lyphatic system... Best Wishes, Alexander - Original Message - From: kittykat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma Yes I do take it orally, but don't know how much to take orally.I'm probably taking too little, about 2 oz a day. debbie - Original Message - From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma Try using CS as nose drops, filling your sinuses as much as you can and holding there as long as you can. Also spray your eyes with CS frequently, and your hands and face, to avoid continually re-infecting yourself. ARe you taking oral CS as well. I haven't caught a single cold, or flu since I started spraying my eyes daily several times. And I always spray them if I've been out in public...When I started doing the spraying, I must say, I didn't really believe it would help, but its amazing. paula
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Thanks for all the replies re: mold. I haven't noticed any odor, will observe more closely. Also, start a journal to try to narrow the cause down. Mowed the grass for 2 hours today and am a lot worse tonight. Perhaps my problem is more common allergies than mold, I hope so. Have started to check the links and will learn all I can. Also, it is not clear to me, is a ultrasonic nebulizer generally more effective than a cool mist humidifier? I have a cool mist humidifier. It helps, but, I'm not sure if the benefit is from the CS or from deep breathing moist air. Thanks again, Turtle -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I'll be doing the same with O2 ...waiting for the Harbor Freight airbrush. I have the tank and regulator Dan - Original Message - From: colloidal.sil...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: colloidal.sil...@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: CSHelp please with asthma HellO :) With c.s., I spray my eyes, drink at least two large glasses per day, and if my lungs are fealing stuffy, I breath a c.s. mist from a nebulizer, while riding a staitionary excecise bike at a gentle pace. That works the c.s. well into my lungs, and gives a really good shot of it directly into the blood stream too... I am saving up for a oxigen breathing regulator, which will be used with welding oxigen... (((IT'S WAY CHEAPER THAN MEDICAL OXIGEN, AND EXACTLY THE SAME GAS))). I'll set it up so that the oxigen comes in right alongside the nebulized c.s. while on the exercycle. I'm betting that this is possibly a powerful way to quick kill the invasives that build up in the lungs, blood lyphatic system... Best Wishes, Alexander
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Can also experiment with tea tree oil. Take a little bottle of it and shake it up. Then quickly take the cap off and breath deeply through one nostril while keeping the other closed with a finger. Alternate nostrils. Try to hold in your breath when you breath in the tea tree oil vapor. Can also try this with eucalyptus oil. Can also try this with peppermint oil to clear sinuses. Dan - Original Message - From: kittykat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: CSHelp please with asthma If I could ask help from the list. I have asthma and started to have a cold a week ago Monday. I bought an ultrasonic humidifier and started breathing in the mist twice a day for about 20 minutes. Nevertheless, my cold advanced to a body wracking cough as it usually does and I usually have to have steroids to knock it out. I truely believe in CS and want to avoid steroids. I have modified my Sunbeam ultrasonic humidifier and have put a medical grade flexible hose on it, so I am getting all of the CS mist in my lungs by breathing through this hose. I do this a half a hour at a time twice a day. What else can I do to stop this horrible cough that keeps me up at night? Thank you all for your helpfulness. Debbie
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63261.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms, mold From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:07:40 Hi, Mike, There is a US distributor that has, I think, the ceramic powder. EMRO is one provider; Sustainable Community Development is another. Please check. I am almost positive that you can get it from the USA. Good luck. JBB Thanks Jonathan! It's a bit impractical right now, but it may be very useful after I move. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
