Re: CSMy silvergen machine
Sovereign Silver at 10 PPM is exactly what either a Silvergen or Silverpuppy makes at 10 PPM. 97% ionic. An ion... is an ion is an ion. There may be some calibration ambiguities between the two gens. I don't find that predicting PPM while using conductivity as a ruler is as simple as Trem does. Ode At 02:02 PM 3/22/2005 -0700, you wrote: Bailar, Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any kind of insult or attack, but that is just me, because I am astounded that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so ready to ditch the Silvergen. Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. What ppm was the CS you made in your Silvergen? What amount of your homemade CS did you take daily and for how long before determining it was not sufficiently effective? I would also like to know what ppm the Sovereign Silver says it is. I could not find out at their website. I found their claims for their silver interesting, but their claims that homemade CS is poor quality do not impress me because they don't give enough definition of exactly what they are talking about. For instance, in their comparisons they have listed a homemade CS made with 27 volts, but not much other definition of it. That just isn't enough info to determine exactly what they tested as supposedly being representative of ALL homemade CS. Same with the photo of various CS products. Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about, because you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural immunogenics. Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see curiosity. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. And I am extremely curious to know how much, say, a week of the Sovereign Silver is going to cost you at the dosage you will use for Lyme. What is that dosage, actually? I'm not clear on that either. While it may be correct that Sovereign Silver is a very good and effective product, my opinion is that a very, very, good and effective CS can be made with a Silvergen, Silverpuppy, or other quality generator. Any difference in effectiveness (if there actually in truth is any, which in my opinion is arguable) between Sovereign Silver and a really good homemade CS can be made non-existent by adjusting dosage. That is the beauty and advantage of homemade CS, one can simply take as much as needed to do the job. You can get just as drunk on beer as on whiskey, you just have to drink more beer to do the same job. Most members of this list seem to be people who like to be independent of commercial suppliers. Liking to be able to make CS in any quantity desired as frequently as they like, in a range of ppm as needed. Myself, I don't want to have to buy CS when I need it, nor do I wish to restrict myself to taking only teaspoons at a time. Nor could I remotely afford to use CS for the multiple other uses I have found for it if I were to use the Sovereign Silver. That may be what puzzles some of us so greatly, a teaspoon or a cup of Sovereign Silver may be a wonderfully effective thing, but my belief is that I can simply take more of my homemade CS to adjust for the same level of effectiveness. And being able to make CS at home is a huge hedge against commercial CS ever becoming unavailable. I'd also like to know if anyone here knows of any independent lab tests on Sovereign Silver? It seems to be recommended as a reputable product, but I'd like to see an independent test before I take at face value the statements at the natural immunogenics website. TIA, sol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date:
RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
I haven't tuned into any of these folks in quite a while because of so much doubtful info. I recall the face on mars on Art Bells Dreamland that was very interesting and had much logical, factual and 'coincidental'?? backup. I have his video and it's quite convincing...but then the same guy come up with more stuff a few years later with photo evidence of moon and mars structures which was quite 'leading' and dubious at best. Lessee, article in Nexus by that guy who swears that reptilians live under NYC and rule the world and hearing things said backwards reveals the speakers true intent...with a few intriguing examples that don't prove a rule by any means imaginable. Myrids of Y2K millenium prophets in all the publications and shows. [Whos calander?] I wouldn't be surprised to see Dennis Lee in there somewhere. [Free energy con man and crook.] Chemtrails? Yea right. Maybe isolated and/or misconstrued cases, but 99.9% of the 'evidence' presented for a wide spread conspiracy is WAY screwy, sneaking across the borders of physically impossible, VERY and obviously misleading to anyone who knows anything about physics and the properties of states of matter. Laboratory proof..SERIOUSLY bad science in the face of obvious and simple direct sampling procedures that have not been done. The question is Rense/ Bell/ Nexus Position..which is rarely if ever stated..vs the presentation? They report. They ask questions sometimes. They host speakers and publish articles. They don't validate. Validation is not their job. They may well screen out some of the more obvious crackpots. The material is a few steps above the Inquirer [who will publish anything with ZERO screening] but far short of 'consistantly' valid. Of course there is good solid stuff there too, fringe or not...but you are left to distinguish which is which and how solid. The hosts and publishers are not qualified to do that for you, very very few journalists are ... and they don't. ... those that are and do, say, in American Scientific Mag... don't always get it right. Many mainstream wild guesses, theories, frauds and hoaxes presented 'as fact' but proven questionable, doubtful or invalid are STILL being perpetuated in museums and text books as fact. Ode At 07:48 PM 3/22/2005 -0700, you wrote: Rense had a lot of experience as a print and television news journalist before becoming an independent web journalist . Rense does print a lot of fringe stuff. I have done a lot of research on many of the topics that seem over the edge, and find that his position on them is very creditable. Could you give us a couple of examples of Renses crackpot articles? Jim -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:54 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Re: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Both Rense and Bell ..and Nexus magazine, for that matter...will put out anything that people will listen to so long as it is at least marginally believable. This guy sez [ Nevermind what we think about it] Veracity, facts and proof are not a big concerns of theirs. Some of the stuff is really good, most is crackpot. They leave it up to you to decide which is which and how much. Inquiring minds want to know everything, true, semi true and untrue...and there it is. Discriminating minds sort through it. Ode At 06:09 AM 3/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: Most interesting that rense.com would publish a scurrilous article by Alex S. Perry impugning the Allies' efforts to defeat Nazism, Fascism, and Japanese expansionism in the Far East, and then shut down its site on the web so that no response could be made and read by anyone who originally responded to and read Mr. Perry's article entitled THERE WAS NO NEED FOR WORLD WAR II Any information about contacting these people would be appreciated. Regards, Al --===AVGMAIL-423EC43123C2=== Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-177A7082 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
There were many instances of events not being prevented in WW2 because doing so would have jeopardized more important plans and resources. For instance: If you have the enemies codes, using that info tends to reveal that fact and you don't get to use them for bigger things. Pearl Harbor was pretty big, but still a small pixel in a much bigger picture. ..save 1,000 here and lose 10,000 in 5 other places? Not the best deal. Of course, some of it is a sales job...like WMD. [Which are not 'proven' non existant, BTW. Nonexistant and not found are two completely different animals in ANY book of zoo logic.] Ode At 07:58 PM 3/22/2005 -0800, you wrote: wasn't the japanese communications code broken several months before Pearl. (purple code), why weren't the aircraft carriers there, and didn't US Pearl forces sink a miniature japanese submarine at the entrance to pearl several hours before the actual attack and notified washington. For my money the germans, japanese, english and american governments are all suspect. The only truth seems to be not don't trust those in power. But we should keep things on topic. remember the Golden Rule. dems that got da gold makes da rules. It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. -Voltaire [François Marie Arouet] (1694-1778) Enjoy Your Health, Ed Kasper L.Ac. California Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist http://www.HappyHerbalist.com>www.HappyHerbalist.com -Original Message- From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Re: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article What is your take on Pearl Harbor Albert? -Original Message- From: Albert Peirce [mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Re: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Most interesting that rense.com would publish a scurrilous article by Alex S. Perry impugning the Allies' efforts to defeat Nazism, Fascism, and Japanese expansionism in the Far East, and then shut down its site on the web so that no response could be made and read by anyone who originally responded to and read Mr. Perry's article entitled THERE WAS NO NEED FOR WORLD WAR II Any information about contacting these people would be appreciated. Regards, Al No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CSRe: CS
...or maybe drinking it straight from the bottle, mixing spit with it? Happened to me and Ode. stuff At 02:57 PM 3/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: Bad distilled water, bottle that was not rinsed thoroughly (maybe soap left behind), running it too long or at too high a current or temperature, using sterling silver instead of fine silver. Marshall Debb Bos wrote: HI my CS is turning red/brown I am using distilled water.can anybody give me some Ideas what I'm doing wrong.Debb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSkids with skin peeling
Just a thought... Are you using bottled water or city/well water? Whatever it is, you might want to switch to another source to see what happens. stuff At 05:14 PM 3/22/2005 -0600, G Murray wrote: Hi Everyone, What would cause skin to constantly peel around the finger tips palms and soles of feet? Is there other causes than fungal implications? My children have been plagued with this problem for a long time. I have thought about diet but their diets are about as night and day as they can be. I have a 9 yr old daughter that loves all things carbohydrate and sugar and salmon. The other, 8yr old son, could care less about sweets and loves fruit, vegies, bones ( his version of any meat on the bone) and muffins. A Fairly healthy eater. I do suspect candida with the one, the other can eat till the cow comes home and won't seem to gain an ounce.The son seems to have some nasal problems and both have a bad rash usually every winter all over their backs. Dry little red bumps, almost like a fine sand paper. My son's hair does not grow hardly at all. It seems to be agravated by the laundry soap so we have been trying different soaps but may have to resort to what they uses as a body wash in the bath ( Soft Soap aloe vera) Seems to be the only thing they doesn't react to.Amway's LOC does good, too, but I don't have a supplier for that any more. My son seems to always suffer from canker soars in his mouth. Right now they both have a form of cold sore. My daughter's lower lip burst out with a huge one or several all together, and my son has a form of one that keeps popping out on his nose every 3-4 months. The Dr. says that he needs to use some real expensive anti - viral salve on it but he just soaks it with colloidal silver and it seems to take away the infection right away. but they still take several days to go away. A I am going to see if they will soak their hands in some H2O2 but not sure how long they will have to soak. They use Colloidal Silver for almost all that hurts. They are very good about asking for it. I will see if it will clear it up, but I am interested to get to the root of the problem. I am thinking maybe trying an intestinal cleanse and some liver cleanses, but not sure how to proceed with children at this age. G Murray -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005
Re: CS
We read that same report well over a year ago, when Clifton Mining, who owns 27% of American Biotec, (and the principals own both companies less what clifton has out in pink sheet stock) was on a run as you can see in the url below. Others besides myself bought in those heady days, and some who are still in love with the stock are still holding. I sold and took my loss before it dropped below 1.50 There was also a rumor going around at the time of multi million dollar orders from the US military. At the current level, it is *maybe* a good speculation... http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=CFTNduration=2-6-9-0-0-524 Lagoon - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:10 AM Subject: RE: CS Some of these do not ring true to me, particularly the one on pelvic inflammatory disease. That is a widely disseminated condition. I do not see how a couple of douches could reach the entire pelvic area. The whole report seems bogus to my intuitive BS sensors. Let's see the detailed hospital reports, Biotech. Jim -Original Message- From: V [mailto:zon...@expo-net.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Summary Report of the First African Human Trials of American Biotech Labs? Silver Biotics? The Hospitals The first series of 58 trials was accomplished at three (3) hospitals in Ghana, West Africa. The three hospitals were: the Air Force Station Hospital under the direction of Dr. Kwabiah, The Korie-Bu Teaching Hospital under the direction of Dr. Sackey, and the Justab Clinic/Maternity under the direction of Dr. Abraham. Diversity Of Use Silver Biotics? was tried on a wide diversity of human problems, including malaria, upper respiratory tract infections, urinary tract infections, sinusitis infections, vaginal yeast infections, eye, nose and ear infections, cuts and fungal skin infections and even for sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhea etc. Silver Biotics? was used as both an internal and external antibiotic alternative. The Product All treatments were performed using the American Biotech Labs? Silver Biotics? at a strength of 10 parts per million. Summary Data The data will summarize the type of human ailment the product was used to treat, the average time it took to see signs of recovery, average time under treatment to obtain full recovery (as deemed by the doctors), and the average dosage used during the time of treatment. The Results Abdominal Pain Diarrhea: One patient was diagnosed with this condition. The patient received 10 ml. (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics? three times in one day. The patient was reported fully recovered in 1 day. Bronchitis: Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients were given 5 ml (one teaspoon) of Silver Biotics? twice daily. Both patients showed signs of recovery within 1-2 days and both were reported fully recovered within 3 days. Candida Vaginal Yeast Infection: Five patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics? twice daily as a vaginal douche. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5.6 days. Conjunctivitis (Eye Infection): Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received several drops of Silver Biotics? in the infected eye, twice daily. Both patients were reported fully recovered within 1 day. External Cuts Infection: Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The conditions included: Staph skin infections, septic ulcers, and infected abscesses. The patients received 5 ml of Silver Biotics? twice daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 2.16 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3 days. External Otitis (Ear Infection): Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received two drops of Silver Biotics? in the infected ear three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 1.66 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3.5 days. Otitis Media (Middle Ear Infection): One patient was diagnosed with this condition. The patient received 2 drops of Silver Biotics? in the infected ear, three times daily. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 4 days. Fungal Skin Infection: Two patients were diagnosed with fungal skin infections. The patients received 10 ml of Silver Biotics? three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 4.5 days and were reported fully recovered in 8 days. Gonorrhea: Two patients were diagnosed as having gonorrhea. The patients received 10ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics? two times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.5 days
Re: CSCODEX response
You might want to look into blogging. They're easy to use and there are a number of free ones. You could then pass on the username and password for access to trusted users for posting purposes. blogspot.com is the biggest by far, and owned by Google. stuff At 10:28 AM 3/23/2005 -0800, Terry C. wrote: I have been, for some time, pondering the idea of putting together a website called Alt Health Info or something like that, that contains all of the health information articles I send to folks, plus the other 900+ articles I have assembled (plus the constantly growing additions). This site would not sell anything (except for maybe info disks), it would simply be a resource for alternative health info. On this site would be found all the info about CS I have (much of which came from the silver-list), plus generic info on how to build various types of CS makers, along with important info about such topics as fluoride, amalgum, microwaves, vaccinations, etc. Everyone who desired to could contribute info articles to the site, on any alternative health topic they desired. The important thing here to remember would be that there must be no connection between this site and any site that was selling anything. Obviously, if this site contains info on the health benefits of CS, and then points the reader to a site that sells CS, there would be trouble. In addition, no one who was selling anything could refer their readers to the AltHealthInfo site, for the same reasons. Article contributors would need to contribute their articles anonymously as a public service, with accompanying source links. The site would NOT contain articles about martians, the Illuminatti, crop circles, etc. Someone would need to make final judgements on what topics stepped over the line of alternative health into politics or mysticism (Mike, how about you?). This would be tricky. I am very much impressed by info about such Energy-Medicine ideas as EFT, the affect of scalar waves, Beck stuff and other bioelectro-healing modalities. SOTA got in trouble, even though they had two different websites (one for the products, one for the testimonies) owned by two different corporations, because the same people had set up both corporations. Someone who doesn't sell CS or CS makers would need to set up this AltHealthInfo site. If CODEX turns out to be all that we fear, it will still be a while (I hope) before they start cracking down on information. If we could steer friends/neighbors/relatives to an info site to answer their questions, there would be a layer of safety from practising medicine. Should it come to this, I will still sell CS as a plant-health stimulator, and my devices as producers of that plant health stimulation juice. I have two problems with the AltHealthInfo site idea: I make and sell CS/CS-brewers; I don't know how to set up a website, upload all the info articles to it, manage it, etc. I would love to hear thoughts, comments, ideas, etc., to this idea. Sincerely, Terry Chamberlin, B.Sc., C.N.C., Bioanalyst Metabolic Solutions Institute Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia B0S 1M0 Canada 902-584-3810 msi...@yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005
Re: CSC S and Bladder Cancer
Richard, thank you for your post. i have read so much choices about what to do when you have bladder cancer. it just gets overwhelming after a while. have a friend that uses c.s. and knows a lot about it and i trust her. but i guess i just kind of worry that there could be some type of deposit or buildup in the bladder that could cause problems with c.s. i will read you website. i do really apprecate your help and knowledge. thanks, judy - Original Message - From: Richard Harris To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: RE: CSC S and Bladder Cancer Hi Judy, Sorry to read of your problems, but you have reached a Site with generous, experienced Experts who share with us seekers. I can tell you that God used my CS to heal a man who had been going to his Dr. periodically to have his bladder cancer scraped--the Dr. told him that the wall was so thin until it would allow no more scraping, but next time the bladder woulh need to be replaced--this man, told a friend, who uses my CS regularly--she asked if he had tried CS--to which, he asked--What is CS? She gave him a quart which he began and continues to take regularly--on his next Dr. appt. he was told that h NO longer had a bladder cancer--Praise God! I would have replied to you personally, but there was no address--should you be interested, please contact me after reading my Site and Blogspot in which I list 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of Favorites to which I refer regularly. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSC S and Bladder Cancer My friend's late wife used Cysplatin, which is platinum based, I understand. My friend is English and he knew this drug was prescribed in his country. Japanese medical doctors were willing to try it, to their credit, though they don't usually use it. It was not helpful in late-stage metastasized stomach cancer. It is an expensive drug. I note that someone on this list observed that silver and platinum are both noble metals close to one another on the periodic table of the elements. On Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005, at 07:05 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: If you do a google you will find that some of the newer chemotherapies use platimum based drugs for the chemo. This seems to support what I have heard about platimum colloids being a good cancer treatment. There is one testimonial at http://colloidforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=298 about using a platimum colloid for liver cancer. I have heard of other successes as well with platimum and cancers of the bladder, brain and bone, but have no first hand experiences with it. Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy method to make platimum colloids like there is for silver. If I can find anything else out about it I will post back again. As always, I am not a doctor, but simply a seeker trying to help. Marshall Corgiville wrote: Hello. I am new to the silver-list. I was new to c s and was drinking it this last year. I found out I had bladder cancer in December. I have had surgery and had BCG treatments and am now in maintance with the BCG, I have the generator to make the c s and a friend that taught me how to use it. But when I found out I had bladder cancer I got scared of drinking the C S. I was afraid if there was some deposit of c s that would end up in my bladder or if the c s could do any damage and be more of a hinderance than a prevention to the bladder cancer. I am eating raw vegetables most of the meals. No sugar. No caffine. Drink water, green tea, lemon water and eat almonds for the alkaline effect. I do eat out once a week maybe twice and that is not good. Take a variety of vitamins that I understand is suspose to be helpful in preventing cancer. I am hoping there is someone that knows about bladder cancer and drinking c s. I really appreciate all your help. Thank you,Judy
Re: CSto erna-dry eyes
Charles, Thanks for your advices on dry eyes. I will keep the idea, about the onions certainly in mind, but I will do that if the daily drops of CS don't work - and when I have gathered enough courage, because I presume it's not particularly pleasant!!! By the way, the daily drops of CS in my eyes do their job very well: I only use the eyegel from my familydoctor once in the three days or so, whereas before I needed them every day. So apparently the CS stimulates the producing of moist in my eyes already. Thanks again! Erna - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net To: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: CSto erna-dry eyes I cured my own dry eyes with Dr. Shultze's seminar that I bought on tape. He suggested that I chop up an onion and put my face over it to let the onion gas into my eyes. It stings like crazy, but finally the tears started flowing. The tears are anti-biotic themselves and produce a cure. Worked for me. The tape course was expensive but I have saved my life with it and that aint cheep~!! Google Shultze and see if you can find his web page.Worked for me... I use a little plastic spray bottle that I filled with CS and spray my nose, mouth and eyes from time to time..still no problems. - Original Message - From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: CSto erna-dry eyes It is really helpful to treat dry eyes internally. YOu might be needing more fatty acids in you diet. borage oil can be good for this condition. There is also a new drug called Rystatin for this but I try to stay away from drugs although this looks safe enough. Bion tears are also good. __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS site
The key phrase here is, Ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria The kicker here is, You can't make a highly concentrated batch of ionic silver without making more and more particles. The stronger you make it past around 13 PPM, the more particles will form and the ion to particle ratio goes towards equal and beyond. However, the higher in concentration you go past around 20 to 30 PPM, the more likely the result will be that it won't look like something you'd want to use. At 20 PPM, agryia is impossible because the amount of water it's in would kill you before ever reaching the minimum silver retention level regardless of source. You can get agyria from particulate silver too. The condition is accumulation specific, not source specific. The reason that silver compounds such as silver chloride, silver acetatate and so on 'can' be dangerous is that the concentration CAN be made so high that you CAN consume that much silver so fast, overcoming an also very fast elimination rate, that it CAN build up without you dying from the toxic effects of water...not that it IS made that high. If silver chloride does wind up in your bloodstream and doesn't go through other ion exchange processes in that chemical soup of blood, it still can't reach dangerous level due to the intake limits of the water it was in at the time of consumption. If you use salt or citric or acetic acid in the process, you 'can' make that sort of concentration of silver chloride, silver citrate, silver acetate [ not that you ever 'would' and still think it looks consumable]...so don't do that. Anyhow, the info is mostly good info so far as it goes. The 'whole' story goes much further and most of it is not a 'known'. What is 'not said' makes it somewhat misleading. There are many theories about what really and finally happens to ionic silver and as many reasons to believe them. What is 'accepted' based upon the experience of thousands upon thousands of people, regardless of why, is that ionic silver works and there has not been one single case of Smurfism from using it if it's made even close to properly or ANY reasonable degree of caution is used in taking it if it's not. If ionic silver is made stronger than 13 PPM, it will have some particles as well. If it is the particles and not the ions that 'do the job', you still have particles to work with. Mainstream industry goes to great lengths to get silver to release ions in their patented products...for some reason. Sure, you can consume a pint of brown black red green purple or grey/blue sludge every day for a few years and 'maybe' get into trouble. But the thing is, if it has any of those colors and/or any 'body' to it...anything that's visible, that doesn't look like water it's particles that cause it. Ions are invisible and therefore colorless. It's very difficult to dependably and repeatably make ionic/colloidal silver water over 20 to 30 PPM that doesn't also have a color due to the formation of particles large enough to display that color. If it's under that concentration, the water is far more dangerous than the silver that's in it. Since the author won't reveal how he makes his particulate CS, the terms complicated, complex and costly have no contextual meaning. It can take years to figure out how 'not' to do something before finding out how, cost mega dollars to discover something extremely inexpensive and take 10 seconds to do it easily for virtually nothing from then on. Ask Edison...who didn't invent the 30 cent light bulb 10,000 times for years before it took him 10 minutes to invent it. Ode At 07:00 AM 3/23/2005 -0800, you wrote: I recently visited a very professional looking site, http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html This website made a big distinction between true colloidal silver and ionic silver. Why was this important? Because, All ionic silver will turn into silver chloride once inside the body Why is this important? Because, Not only does it fail to provide the benefits that colloidal silver is known for, but more importantly, ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria Then, this site makes these points: Misleading Information Some products that are ionic silver describe their properties in terms of silver particles attempting to confuse the reader into believing in the existence of ionic silver particles. There is no such thing. There are metallic silver particles (nanoparticles) and silver ions, but no ionic silver particles. This distinction is very important. Untold is the fact that the product is mostly ionic silver, not silver particles. The fact is, most such products only contain an average of 10% of their silver content in the form of silver particles with the majority 80% to 99% in the form of ionic silver. To make a true colloid is a complicated, complex and costly process. It is no mystery why most producers choose to make ionic
CSEIS in Africa
V, Those results are fairly remarkable. I find it hard to believe the symptoms abated in a number of those patients with so little silver used. 10ppm ionic/colloidal silver is fine, but two teaspoons daily for severe viral infections is nothing short of amazing.
Re: CSkids with skin peeling
Hi Stuff, They bathe in town water, but they drink triple reverse osmosis ozonated water from an independant well source that is local. It would get very costly to haul water to bath in. Colloidal silver seems to soothe the rashes a bit but does not seem to get rid of it. Thanks, G Murray Stuff wrote: Just a thought... Are you using bottled water or city/well water? Whatever it is, you might want to switch to another source to see what happens. stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:Re: CSMy silvergen machine
The SG6 and the Silverpuppy operate within virtually identical parameters arrived at independently by much experimentation and make a virtually identical product at a given PPM. Both were analyzed by the same lab as is the source of the table but particle sized by different methods at that lab. Silverpuppy samples were worst case plug n' play, shake it all up , byproducts included and send it in. SG6 samples were [probably] best case, at least, some amount of attention and care taken. Results are published on those respective websites and will reflect both the worst and best that can be made with either generator as analysed by the different methods by the same person. IMO, both best and worst are in the range of very good Ionic/Colloidal Silver [ICS]. aka Electrically Isolated Silver [EIS] The time at which each commercially sold silver product on the chart was analysed reflects method differences as well, as per the equipment used at the time. Exactly what the differences are and how they equate is up for grabs. Ode At 10:11 AM 3/23/2005 -0500, you wrote: William Amos wrote: Information at... http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html Bill -- Interesting information there. The efficiency is about the same as I use to produce with the Silver Lightning product, but the price per mL is 25 time more! Also the particle size is much larger. Looks like a rip off to me. Are any of those in that table produced with one of the modern makers such as the SG6 or a silver puppy? I would love to see where the high quality home made CS comes in. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CS14 volts ?
The voltage mostly relates to time. There are several current rise nuances that figure into making 14 volts somewhat better than 27. You'll never know the concentration by using time in either case. For a fair ballpark idea, get a conductivity or PPM meter. A PWT conductivity meter will get you into the ballpark. A PPM meter, into the front few rows of the parking lot of the ballpark for half as many $$ or less. Neither give you actual PPM...just a relative idea. Both meters work the same way. ..and that's good enough for all 'practical' purposesbut not a good enough to base an arguement on. Beats a totally wild and wandering guess. Ode At 09:53 AM 3/23/2005 -0600, you wrote: hi, i purchased a 14 volt generator to make cs, it appears to make it as well as 3-9v batteries, but as i can`t determine the concentration, all i can go by is the appearence (looks like a cloud coming off the silver electrode). i guess my generator is really just a power supply. thanks a lot; i really like this site, can someone tell me if the 14v is good enough? thanks for your time...rick union,justice,confidence,RICE GRAVY>>>THE FREE STATE OF AVOYELLES -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
RE: CSCODEX response
You also may want to find out which countries you could host this info physically in (and register) that never censor things or have no laws barring content. You may also want to ask webmasters of extremely controversial sites who have never or rarely been attacked like www.davidicke.com . PS: I might help, and I have no financial connection to anything. Thora -Original Message- From: TC [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCODEX response I have been, for some time, pondering the idea of putting together a website called Alt Health Info or something like that, that contains all of the health information articles I send to folks, plus the other 900+ articles I have assembled (plus the constantly growing additions). This site would not sell anything (except for maybe info disks), it would simply be a resource for alternative health info. On this site would be found all the info about CS I have (much of which came from the silver-list), plus generic info on how to build various types of CS makers, along with important info about such topics as fluoride, amalgum, microwaves, vaccinations, etc. Everyone who desired to could contribute info articles to the site, on any alternative health topic they desired. The important thing here to remember would be that there must be no connection between this site and any site that was selling anything. Obviously, if this site contains info on the health benefits of CS, and then points the reader to a site that sells CS, there would be trouble. In addition, no one who was selling anything could refer their readers to the AltHealthInfo site, for the same reasons. Article contributors would need to contribute their articles anonymously as a public service, with accompanying source links. The site would NOT contain articles about martians, the Illuminatti, crop circles, etc. Someone would need to make final judgements on what topics stepped over the line of alternative health into politics or mysticism (Mike, how about you?). This would be tricky. I am very much impressed by info about such Energy-Medicine ideas as EFT, the affect of scalar waves, Beck stuff and other bioelectro-healing modalities. SOTA got in trouble, even though they had two different websites (one for the products, one for the testimonies) owned by two different corporations, because the same people had set up both corporations. Someone who doesn't sell CS or CS makers would need to set up this AltHealthInfo site. If CODEX turns out to be all that we fear, it will still be a while (I hope) before they start cracking down on information. If we could steer friends/neighbors/relatives to an info site to answer their questions, there would be a layer of safety from practising medicine. Should it come to this, I will still sell CS as a plant-health stimulator, and my devices as producers of that plant health stimulation juice. I have two problems with the AltHealthInfo site idea: I make and sell CS/CS-brewers; I don't know how to set up a website, upload all the info articles to it, manage it, etc. I would love to hear thoughts, comments, ideas, etc., to this idea. Sincerely, Terry Chamberlin, B.Sc., C.N.C., Bioanalyst Metabolic Solutions Institute Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia B0S 1M0 Canada 902-584-3810 msi...@yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS
Brooks Bradley's research group says that 3 to 5 PPM is very effective. I am more concerned about route of administration for the deep infections than the concentration. Above about 20 PPM they physics of the probability of collisions that will cause particles to stick together makes bigger, less active particles. -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:pqunsulee...@spammotel.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS RE: CS From: Jim Holmes Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:16:11 Some of these do not ring true to me, particularly the one on pelvic inflammatory disease. That is a widely disseminated condition. I do not see how a couple of douches could reach the entire pelvic area. The whole report seems bogus to my intuitive BS sensors. Let's see the detailed hospital reports, Biotech. Jim Bravo, Jim. I applaud your scepticism. It would be nice to see a bit more rigorous proof of some of the claims that float through here. I am a little concerned about uniformly good results with only 10ppm. I want to see some failures at that concentration. Some of the condditions sound pretty serious for such small doses. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSkids with skin peeling
This is in the realm of a wild guess--do your kids come into contact with treated wood (arsenic preservative) in playground equipment, decking, etc.? Best, Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver-Colloids responds
Much of what I think happens is from studying chemistry and research, but not from tests other than in glasses of EIS. EIS is 80 to 90% ionic, and 10 to 20% particulate. The ionic portion is a combination of AgOH and Ag2O, silver hydroxide and silver oxide. Silver oxide has a solubility of about 13 ppm, but I cannot find any consistant information on the solubility of silver hydroxide. I believe that the majority of the ionic content of freshly made EIS is the hydroxide but have yet to figure out how to prove it. When EIS contacts the stomach, the ionic portion reacts with stomach acid. This produces AgCl, silver chloride. Silver Chloride has a solubility of only about .8 ppm in water. In water with a chloride ion the solubility decreases due to the common ion effect, but at a level below the level of chlorine (from salt) in the blood and presumably the stomach the solubility increases again due to it forming soluble chloride complexes. Interesting at the level of chloriine in the blood it is right back to about .8 ppm again. So if you mix EIS with something like Gatorade that has salt in it approximating the level of the blood, then the amount of AgCl that will be dissolved is significantly higher than if you mix it with water or take it straight. Now once in the stomach about .8 ppm (including the increased volume from the gastric juices) will be able to be dissolved, the rest will precipitate out. I have read that traces of ammonia in the stomach increase the solubility significantly. I believe that Steve Quinto is the one who is supporting that view. However ammonia cannot exist in the stomach, it will react with the HCl producing ammonium chloride. So the question becomes, is there enough ammonium chloride in the stomach to create a soluble compound of silver (fulminating silver complex), and if so, is the reaction favorable. I don't know, but I do believe that the research done by Brookes and Gatorade shows that if it does contribute to the solubility, the effect is minor at best. Now, if we follow the dissolved silver chloride, it will penetrate the stomach wall rather quickly. This accomplishes two things, putting silver chloride into the blood, and reducing the silver chloride in the stomach so that which precipitated out will begin redissolving again. That which reaches the blood stream does not stay in ionic form long though. There are two mechanisms at work that should quickly reduce the ionic (dissolved) silver chloride to silver particles. The first is the normal photographic process. In the presence of any developer in the blood, such as caffine or hydrogen peroxide, the silver chloride will reduce upon contact with silver particles. The result is a slight increase in particle size of the colloidal portion. The other factor at work is that the silver chloride will react with any ammonia in the blood. Although this increases solubility tremendously for the silver, it is probably irrelevent because it will then react with the glucose in the blood, causing once again metallic silver to plate out, much of it presumable on the present particles (or perhaps forming 2 atom colloidal particles). So I would expect to not be able to find any ionic (dissolved) silver in the blood, although silver in particulate form should be found. Now if there are no particles to plate out on, initial seed particles will be formed wherever the silver compound is exposed to light. Then once the seed particles are formed, the rest plates out on them. The result is rapid and huge growth of a few particles in the skin instead of a slight growth of many particles in the blood. And this can cause these particles to lodge into the tissues producting a blue grey kind of tatoo called agyria. So the colloidal portion of EIS acts as a preventative for argyria. However this certainly does not answer all the questions. It provides a theory as to why dissolved silver compounds are not found in the blood, yet ionic silver is still effective. However, it also indicates that the ionic silver becomes colloidal silver in the blood, and Steve's work indicates that colloidal silver, at least the meso silver product, does not kill pathogens, so we are kind of back where we started. Frank Key's suggestion that the full strength test that Steve did with the Meso does not duplicate what happens in the blood could have merit, but I am unable to come up with a theory as to why it would kill in the blood but not full strength unless trace amounts of H2O2 in the blood are causing the colloidal part to become ionic again as Ag2O, but then we are back to that ionic silver has not been measured in the blood, unless this trace of silver oxide is being passed off as an artifact of the measurement as Frank Key indicates. But this is unlikely because silver oxide cannot exist in the blood, it will immediately become silver chloride, and then back it goes to being a particle again as given above. What pathogen is the time
Re: CS
V wrote: Summary Report of the First African Human Trials of American Biotech Labs Silver Biotics The Hospitals The first series of 58 trials was accomplished at three (3) hospitals in Ghana, West Africa. The three hospitals were: the Air Force Station Hospital under the direction of Dr. Kwabiah, The Korie-Bu Teaching Hospital under the direction of Dr. Sackey, and the Justab Clinic/Maternity under the direction of Dr. Abraham. Diversity Of Use Silver Biotics was tried on a wide diversity of human problems, including malaria, upper respiratory tract infections, urinary tract infections, sinusitis infections, vaginal yeast infections, eye, nose and ear infections, cuts and fungal skin infections and even for sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhea etc. Silver Biotics was used as both an internal and external antibiotic alternative. Considering this was in Africa which has a aids epidemic, I wonder why no test results on that. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSto erna-dry eyes
Have you tried misting your eyes? I find it helpful on a couple of levels---if I mist my eyes and hands after being out in public, I don't catch colds. And I find it much faster and more convenient to mist several times a day than to do eye drops. It is also much more comfortable to my eyes. My husband insists on pulling his lids open and misting from very close, directly into his eyes. I don't find this necessary, instead I mist a little cloud just in front of my face and just blink into it while inhaling as much as I can at the same time. Plus, my way avoids touching with hands that may not be as clean as they should be (like when one is out in public). What really makes me nuts is that he mists his hands after he touches his eyelids, not before, which is backwards if you want to avoid getting germs into your eyes. sol Han en/of Erna Nieuwmans wrote: Charles, Thanks for your advices on dry eyes. I will keep the idea, about the onions certainly in mind, but I will do that if the daily drops of CS don't work - and when I have gathered enough courage, because I presume it's not particularly pleasant!!! By the way, the daily drops of CS in my eyes do their job very well: I only use the eyegel from my familydoctor once in the three days or so, whereas before I needed them every day. So apparently the CS stimulates the producing of moist in my eyes already. Thanks again! Erna -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSkids with skin peeling
Hi Deborah, Almost all the playground equipment is now metal. There are a few wood structures in town but the kids rarely get to play on them. We don't have any deck ourselves. I'll keep thinking about that and see if there is anything else that they might come into contact with. Thanks, G Murray deborah byron wrote: This is in the realm of a wild guess--do your kids come into contact with treated wood (arsenic preservative) in playground equipment, decking, etc.? Best, Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
Ode Coyote wrote: Chemtrails? Yea right. Maybe isolated and/or misconstrued cases, but 99.9% of the 'evidence' presented for a wide spread conspiracy is WAY screwy, sneaking across the borders of physically impossible, VERY and obviously misleading to anyone who knows anything about physics and the properties of states of matter. Laboratory proof..SERIOUSLY bad science in the face of obvious and simple direct sampling procedures that have not been done. I have to disagree with you on the chemtrails. Too much first hand knowledge and personal experience with them. Seen them coming out of nossles mounted on the plane when viewed with binocolars. Seen a half dozen planes flying checkerboard over a city for hours spraying when over the city, then turning it off when they turn around to make the next pass. Seen trails at altitudes below clouds that exist only at lower levels, far below where it is possible for a contrail to form. I have watched two planes pass each other, one spraying, and the other with a contrail, and the contrail evaporates in a matter of a minute or two, but the other one spreads out and hangs until it reaches the ground. I have been with a group of people that watched trails being sprayed one day wondering what was going on (this was when they first started and I was not aware of them yet), and watched the trails descend and reach the ground producing a fog on a warm day with under 50% humidity and when it reached the ground everyone started choking and their skin burning, inclucing mine. We all had to rush home and take a shower or bath to stop the burning. Sorry, but for me, experience trumps all theories. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSA few refinements
Just a few things I've been doing lately that have improved my CS brewing... I'm still using my thermal stir Silverpuppy. I want a new magnetic stirring base, but then I want everything I see. I've been getting good CS from Walmart distilled water. I now only make it in one pint mason jars. In keeping with what I've learned from many others, I've been adding 10-12 drops of H2O2 per pint to my brew immediately after making it. To stir that a bit, I simply empty my dropper back into the H2O2 bottle, then I dip the tip of the empty dropper into the CS, and squeeze it a few times. Then I let the brew set for several hours before use. I have an idea that this CS is better than that not made with H2O2, but I can't prove it. Others swear it's a huge improvement, so I'm listening. The big thing that I've learned lately is that if anything goes wrong with my brew, if I'm getting floaties or a silver skim on top- my brewing jar needs cleaning. It may not be obviously dirty, but close inspection will almost always reveal the start of a spot of precipitated silver compound somewhere inside the jar. I have found out that simply rinsing it or long term soaking it in H2O2 is not good enough- it needs physical scrubbing. I found out that doing this with paper towels and H2O2 is a sure way to contaminate the jar and ruin several batches afterwards. After several months, I've determined that this works: A brand new bottle brush rinsed well when new with H2O2 and DW, and dedicated only to cleaning the CS jars. I hang this brush in my clothes closet, and everyone in the house knows never to touch it. I scrub the jar out with this brush and H2O2, then rinse 3 times with DW. It never fails to bring my CS brewing operation back to near perfection. The brush turns brown at the bristle tips and looks a bit dirty. That's the silver compounds wicking out as it dries. I'll soon use this brush in the kitchen and buy another for the CS jars. Daddybob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
G Murray, I have been trying to figure out what is causing your kids skin peeling, and was think two things. Parasites which are more common than most people think. Most of us have them, even children. Plus when I saw debs post to you and thought I would chime in here. Deb suggestion of kefir makes a lot of sense as Kefir supplies calcium, potassium, magnesium, phosphorous, vitamin a, b1, b2, b6, b12, folic acid, niacin, c, d, e, as well as trace elements, and a host of amino acids. I normally sell the kefir I make throughout the U.S., but in this case, I would be most pleased to be able to share my kefir grains with you for whatever it costs to ship them to you. And I will supply documentation so that you will be able to consistently and continually culture and maintain a home-brew for the kids or teach them how to make this easy tasty treat. All it costs is the milk. The kids will love it as you can add their favorite spices like cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger, and honey and vanilla, carob, coconut, almond, or whatever they like. I have a positive feeling that all of the packed vitamins, minerals, amino acids and probiotics will help to eliminate their skin problem, plus what we are talking about here is the root cause of the skin problem which sounds like it has not been as yet discovered or detected. Please, do not buy store bought kefir. It has chemicals and preservatives in it and will more than likely not help, and even exacerbate the problem. If you would like more information, please e-mail me off-list, and I can be of some help I hope. Kefir is beneficial for so many physical ailments, as well as treating stress, insomnia, and restlessness. Warm regards, Sasha
Re: CShigh ppm CS experiment, was Re: CSCS site
Re: CShigh ppm CS experiment, was Re: CSCS site http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78777.html From: Mike Monett (view other messages by this author) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:37:27 Thanks very much for your help, sol. Yes, I found getting to 20uS is reasonably easy, then it seems to hit a brick wall. Every increment in performance becomes twice as difficult. The water has a lot to do with it, but I have no idea what it could be. I was sure David's results with demineralized water would prove to be in error, but he easily passed every test I could throw at him. His PWT reading of 53uS was astounding to me. Also note he uses magnetic stirring, and I believe you have thermal. This shows the high PWT readings are possible under very different conditions, so the process may turn out to be quite robust. *** Mike, I recently experimented with making colloidal gold using a 12KV neon sign transformer and gold wire inside glass tubing and producing an arc under the water to produce the colloid. The initial batches were a dull bluish color which had significant amount of precipitation after several days. I tried a batch where I surrounded the container with some strong magnets that I had recycled from electric motors. The (earth) north pole side was facing in towards the electrodes for all magnets. This batch took less time and was a brilliant and clear amethyst color with absolutely no precipitates. I feel that the magnetic field affected the water or the process in a significant way. Don't ask me how... Perhaps the magnetic stirring you refer to has some effect on the CS process. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA few refinements
I can't figure out why I have never in 3 years had a problem with a batch. I have made it from the max range of the SG6, about 20 PPM down to 5 PPM. I was told the first thing I needed was a bottle brush. I never got one. Instead I got a case of new mason jars. All I have ever done was rinse them well with DW. The jar I use for brewing has a dark yellow collor, but when I decant the EIS it is always clear. I am sure the Silver Puppy will do the same. Bob Smith - Original Message - From: ransley rans...@atmc.net To: The Silverlist silver-list@eskimo.com; colloidalsilv...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: CSA few refinements The big thing that I've learned lately is that if anything goes wrong with my brew, if I'm getting floaties or a silver skim on top- my brewing jar needs cleaning. It may not be obviously dirty, but close inspection will almost always reveal the start of a spot of precipitated silver compound somewhere inside the jar. I have found out that simply rinsing it or long term soaking it in H2O2 is not good enough- it needs physical scrubbing. I found out that doing this with paper towels and H2O2 is a sure way to contaminate the jar and ruin several batches afterwards. After several months, I've determined that this works: A brand new bottle brush rinsed well when new with H2O2 and DW, and dedicated only to cleaning the CS jars. I hang this brush in my clothes closet, and everyone in the house knows never to touch it. I scrub the jar out with this brush and H2O2, then rinse 3 times with DW. It never fails to bring my CS brewing operation back to near perfection. The brush turns brown at the bristle tips and looks a bit dirty. That's the silver compounds wicking out as it dries. I'll soon use this brush in the kitchen and buy another for the CS jars. Daddybob -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver-Colloids responds
Marshall wrote: .and Steve's work indicates that colloidal silver, at least the meso silver product, does not kill pathogens, so we are kind of back where we started. Given Quinto's past history of scientific claims for his ionic product such as Each drop yields more than 100,000,000 million particles of pure silver that possess energia. The word energia is a make-believe word that has no definition on his website or in the known universe. This is called techno-babble; the use of technical sounding words to impress the non-technical reader. Furthermore, Quinto continues to promotes his ionic product by the use of TEM images that he claims show proof of the small particles in the product when in reality they only show particles of silver oxide formed during sample preparation. See: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html In a court room the jury must always ascertain the credibility of a witness. How can one attribute any credibility to Quinto's bacteriology studies when confronted with his past and still current use of bogus science to promote his product. A prudent observer may find it difficult to believe anything he says. On the other hand, one of the largest and most respected testing laboratories in the country (EMSL) has performed pathogen challenge tests on Mesosilver designed to the most rigorous scientific standards. For those who don't know what rigorous scientific standards for pathogen testing means; the tests must be performed in triplicate, with plating in duplicate and results shown as means and standard deviations. This is required for publication quality, meaning no scientific publication would consider publishing your paper if the tests were no up to this standard. It is also the standard required by the FDA for pharmaceutical testing. The Mesosilver test results prove beyond the slightest doubt that Mesosilver killed every pathogen it was tested on. Here are the tests: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html We have not seen published test results from any manufacturer of ionic silver products that comes close to meeting the rigorous scientific standards that were used by EMSL for the Mesosilver tests. Virtually all the test results we have seen to-date were performed as disinfectant type tests where the product is used full strength. Properly designed in vitro pathogen challenge tests attempt to simulate the as close as possible, or at least bracket, the concentration levels that can be achieved in the bloodstream. To achieve in vivo the concentrations used in Quinto's testing would require that all your blood must be drained and replaced with ionic silver, a requirement that some may consider to be unreasonable. Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab. www.colloidalsciencelab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBacterial and viral causes of disease - New look
There's been some talk on this list about CS making the immune system weaker. Maybe that's what's needed if the second paragraph is true. *** Doctors used to think that germs only caused short-lived illnesses, such as the flu. But researchers are now finding that bacteria and viruses play a role in advancing obesity, heart disease even cancer. Exactly how germs act to cause chronic disease is still a mystery. But scientists believe that the microbes may stimulate white blood cells to aggregate, causing the chronic inflammation that has now been implicated in asthma, allergies, heart disease and other disorders. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/ViralCauses.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS MS
Mycoplasma is thought to be the cause of MS=== Ward Dean MD has a protocol for This using IV Cs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA few refinements
Having had extensive problems making clear CS for almost a full year after I started, with 3 different generators, maybe I can shed some light. It has been said many times that most people can make clear CS perfectly well, with no unusual precautions or handling using DW that is anything up to 3.0 uS. In my case, I have to be scrupulous about the cleaning and handling (i.e. none at all, after cleaning my brew jars) of my equipment, this includes never touching the electrodes with bare fingers. Even as careful as I am, I will get yellow CS if I use anything but twice distilled water of no more than .4 uS... .4 uS water that is only once distilled will make yellow CS for me. Commercially sold distilled water was never pure enough so I now use a basic 1 gallon still. For a long time, I could distill filtered cold tap water and it would come out .2 or .3 uS. Though they insist not, something is diffferent in the town water processing, because now I have to run the water through the still twice to get it to .4 uS . It is a pain, but since I have to distill twice anyway, I now use unfiltered hot water for the first run through, which does shorten the time required. In fact, in the past year, even a single run through starting with unfiltered hot water gives the same or lower uS than one run through of filtered cold water. Maybe the mfr of the water filters has changed their product. Whatever, it is strange. The only thing I can conclude is that something either in the air in the area, or in my house specifically, or in the water itself (something that does NOT distill out, nor read on a PWT) causes the CS making process to be much more delicately balanced than it is across most other areas of the U.S. Since I'm the only person I know of in my town who makes CS, I have no way to check if the problem is unique to my house only. There are not a lot of us who have this much trouble, but don't assume that because you have it easy, everyone does :-) Being insatiably curious, I do wish I could someday get to the root of why you have no problem and I have to be so ultra careful and meticulous. Believe me, I would not be so careful if it didn't matter. sol bob smith wrote: I can't figure out why I have never in 3 years had a problem with a batch. I have made it from the max range of the SG6, about 20 PPM down to 5 PPM. I was told the first thing I needed was a bottle brush. I never got one. Instead I got a case of new mason jars. All I have ever done was rinse them well with DW. The jar I use for brewing has a dark yellow collor, but when I decant the EIS it is always clear. I am sure the Silver Puppy will do the same. Bob Smith -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver-Colloids responds
Info wrote: Marshall wrote: .and Steve's work indicates that colloidal silver, at least the meso silver product, does not kill pathogens, so we are kind of back where we started. Given Quinto's past history of scientific claims for his ionic product such as Each drop yields more than 100,000,000 million particles of pure silver that possess energia. The word energia is a make-believe word that has no definition on his website or in the known universe. This is called techno-babble; the use of technical sounding words to impress the non-technical reader. Furthermore, Quinto continues to promotes his ionic product by the use of TEM images that he claims show proof of the small particles in the product when in reality they only show particles of silver oxide formed during sample preparation. See: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html In a court room the jury must always ascertain the credibility of a witness. How can one attribute any credibility to Quinto's bacteriology studies when confronted with his past and still current use of bogus science to promote his product. A prudent observer may find it difficult to believe anything he says. On the other hand, one of the largest and most respected testing laboratories in the country (EMSL) has performed pathogen challenge tests on Mesosilver designed to the most rigorous scientific standards. For those who don't know what rigorous scientific standards for pathogen testing means; the tests must be performed in triplicate, with plating in duplicate and results shown as means and standard deviations. This is required for publication quality, meaning no scientific publication would consider publishing your paper if the tests were no up to this standard. It is also the standard required by the FDA for pharmaceutical testing. The Mesosilver test results prove beyond the slightest doubt that Mesosilver killed every pathogen it was tested on. Here are the tests: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html Thank you for that link. I was initially puzzled why the kill time was so long, since tests we had run at UT with a 5 ppm HVAC EIS killed everything in a matter of minutes. Then I noticed that the test was done in agar. As I have noted before our tests in agar showed the effectiveness drops way off from what is obtained if tests are done in a thin medium due to the immobalization of the silver particles.. The .35% sodium chloride is a good idea. Anyway, that certainly makes my previous analysis make more sense. If indeed some portion of ionic silver does make it into the blood and get converted to silver particles, then that could explain why ionic silver can work, even though none can be detected in the blood. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS MS
Hi Nina, Would you be able to elaborate on this? My sister has MS and she's been seeing Louise( homeopath )here in Toronto. She is the person who's name I sent to you some time back. I would like to know more about Dr. Dean's protocol for using CS. Many thanks. Ernie -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS MS Mycoplasma is thought to be the cause of MS=== Ward Dean MD has a protocol for This using IV Cs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS MS
I have a neighbor who was diagnosed as having MS about 8 years ago. 2 years ago this month I got him to start taking about a pt. of EIS a day that I would make for him. At the time he started taking it his symptoms were very noticable. Today there is no sign of any MS. I had been encouraged to get him to try it by Nancy (where are you, Nancy). If I recall correctly, she was in a wheel chair when she started on CS and made a remarkable recovery. Bob Smith - Original Message - From: Yogiboy epa...@sympatico.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: RE: CSCS MS Hi Nina, Would you be able to elaborate on this? My sister has MS and she's been seeing Louise( homeopath )here in Toronto. She is the person who's name I sent to you some time back. I would like to know more about Dr. Dean's protocol for using CS. Many thanks. Ernie -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS MS Mycoplasma is thought to be the cause of MS=== Ward Dean MD has a protocol for This using IV Cs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHighly concentrated ionic silver argyria - a clarification
The statement below which appears on the silver-colloid website seems to be the source of some controversy. Ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria, a permanent discoloration of the skin. The likelihood of argyria becomes significant for ionic silver concentrations above 100 ppm. Typical ionic silver products contain between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic silver which would not cause argyria. It seems to be technically accurate in every detail. Highly concentrated forms of ionic silver above 100 ppm are not made by home hobbyist machines. This is a class of product that is manufactured commercially and sold as Ionic Silver by companies such as WaterOz. Technically, the WaterOz product is silver citrate, but the company refuses to identify the anions used in their ionic products. I have it on good authority that the owner of WaterOz in fact has argyria from using his own product. On good authority means this information came from a personal friend of that individual. Typical ionic silver products contain between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic silver which will not cause argyria. Most all home made ionic silver and commercially sold ionic silver products fall in this category. We are not aware of a single case of argyria from this class of product. Would someone please explain what is controversial about the above statement? Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab www.colloidalsciencelab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCODEX update?
I would like to know how the vigilant people here view this information from the National Nutritional Foods Association. They downplay the danger posed by CODEX, although they seem to be doing good monitoring and legislative action in other ways. Is there a threat to the other-than-supplement supply of things like tinctures and herbal remedies that this organiztion is failing to address? Thanks, Deborah A Clarification on Codex There has been a lot of misinformation about activities of the Codex Alimentarius Commission in relation to dietary supplements in recent months. The primary concern expressed about Codex is whether adoption of final guidelines pertaining to upper limits on vitamins and minerals threatens access to these products in the United States. NNFA believes the answer is No and encourages those interested in the topic to get the facts at www.nnfa.org/services/government/EUdir_Codex_QA.htm. You will see Congress took care to protect U.S. laws by including provisions in its trade agreements to ensure that international guidelines adopted in connection with these agreements would not have any legal effect on U.S. federal statutes. As noted by the Food and Drug Administration recently, “Nothing in the trade agreements or process will restrict either the sale of dietary supplements in the United States or the type of information that manufacturers may provide to consumers about their products.” You can read more about what the FDA has to say about why Codex will not impact U.S. sales of dietary supplements at the following link: www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscodex.html. About NNFA NNFA is a nonprofit, nonpartisan membership organization representing retailers and suppliers of natural and nutritional products. Visit www.nnfa.org/aboutnnfa/index.htm for more information. Visit NNFA's Advocacy Action Center to learn more about legislative activities that affect those who buy, sell and consume natural and nutritional products, like organic foods and dietary supplements. National Nutritional Foods Association Headquarters Address:3931 MacArthur Blvd., Ste. 101, Newport Beach, CA 92660-3013 Washington Address: 1220 19th Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20036 n...@nnfa.org -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
Here are a couple of websites with information about CODEX: The first one is by the National Nutritional Foods Association: http://www.nnfa.org/services/government/EUdir_Codex_QA.htm The second is an FDA site, so you can draw you own conclusions about its trustworthiness: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscodex.html Anyway there they are for you to review and draw your own conclusions. I am not advocating anything, just providing information. JW
Re: CSkids with skin peeling
I'm sure you've already thought of this as well then, but its the time of year in my part of the world where many people are spraying herbicides for the early so called weeds--what's wrong with dandelions anyway? Honeybees love them. Anyway, just another thought especially if your kids play on sports fields. Best, Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe CS:To Sol, A few refinements
Sol, I am with you on this problem.I am in B.C.Canada and the tap water I use has to be distilled twice to make good CS.If I distill only once, the brew will take off like mad ,if I don't keep an eagle eye on it,and will discolour.I gave up on buying DW from the Supermarket,because it would do the same sporadically;so I bought a 1 gallon distiller three years ago and it has more than paid for itself by now.And don't discount the frustration and time consuming of it not going right the first time.BTW, I don't take any particular care about cleaning the brew jar or the silver coins,just wipe with paper towels.To get the Chlorine out of the tap water,I draw it off in plastic pails and let it sit at room temp.for approx. 24 hours. HaroldNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005
Re: CSHighly concentrated ionic silver argyria - a clarification
Info wrote: The statement below which appears on the silver-colloid website seems to be the source of some controversy. Ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria, a permanent discoloration of the skin. The likelihood of argyria becomes significant for ionic silver concentrations above 100 ppm. Typical ionic silver products contain between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic silver which would not cause argyria. It seems to be technically accurate in every detail. Highly concentrated forms of ionic silver above 100 ppm are not made by home hobbyist machines. This is a class of product that is manufactured commercially and sold as Ionic Silver by companies such as WaterOz. Technically, the WaterOz product is silver citrate, but the company refuses to identify the anions used in their ionic products. I have it on good authority that the owner of WaterOz in fact has argyria from using his own product. On good authority means this information came from a personal friend of that individual. Typical ionic silver products contain between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic silver which will not cause argyria. Most all home made ionic silver and commercially sold ionic silver products fall in this category. We are not aware of a single case of argyria from this class of product. Would someone please explain what is controversial about the above statement? The statements are fact as far as I can tell. Ionic silver such as silver nitrate or silver citrate in concentrations over 100 ppm can certainly cause argyria, preperations at 20 ppm of silver hydroxide and less in the form of EIS appear to not. But is it because of the lower concentration, or because EIS contains particles for the ionic silver to plate out on? I think it is the latter choice primarily because I believe that only an ounce or so of 100+ ppm of silver citrate a day can cause argyria, yet a quart or more of 10 to 20 ppm EIS will not. The amount of ionic silver in the quart of EIS is actually several times as much as the silver in the ounce of 100 ppm silver citrate, yet does not cause argyria. I would be willing to bet that if you were to mix WaterOz with Meso Silver, even if the amount of Meso Silver is only 5% of the amount in the WaterOz, it would not cause argyria either. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSC S and Bladder Cancer
Hi Judy, I don't feel you have to worry about Properly made CS build-up in tissues. I trust you're using 1 part CS + 2 parts Gatorade (as electrolyte) in mouthful divided doses--swishing swallowing) in divided doses daily; In conjunction, we use one of V's Godzilla/BECK zapper/zillers on various body parts for various needs. Let me know if I can be of help. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Corgiville [mailto:corgivi...@nts-online.net] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSC S and Bladder Cancer Richard, thank you for your post. i have read so much choices about what to do when you have bladder cancer. it just gets overwhelming after a while. have a friend that uses c.s. and knows a lot about it and i trust her. but i guess i just kind of worry that there could be some type of deposit or buildup in the bladder that could cause problems with c.s. i will read you website. i do really apprecate your help and knowledge. thanks, judy - Original Message - From: Richard Harris To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: RE: CSC S and Bladder Cancer Hi Judy, Sorry to read of your problems, but you have reached a Site with generous, experienced Experts who share with us seekers. I can tell you that God used my CS to heal a man who had been going to his Dr. periodically to have his bladder cancer scraped--the Dr. told him that the wall was so thin until it would allow no more scraping, but next time the bladder woulh need to be replaced--this man, told a friend, who uses my CS regularly--she asked if he had tried CS--to which, he asked--What is CS? She gave him a quart which he began and continues to take regularly--on his next Dr. appt. he was told that h NO longer had a bladder cancer--Praise God! I would have replied to you personally, but there was no address--should you be interested, please contact me after reading my Site and Blogspot in which I list 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of Favorites to which I refer regularly. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSC S and Bladder Cancer My friend's late wife used Cysplatin, which is platinum based, I understand. My friend is English and he knew this drug was prescribed in his country. Japanese medical doctors were willing to try it, to their credit, though they don't usually use it. It was not helpful in late-stage metastasized stomach cancer. It is an expensive drug. I note that someone on this list observed that silver and platinum are both noble metals close to one another on the periodic table of the elements. On Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005, at 07:05 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: If you do a google you will find that some of the newer chemotherapies use platimum based drugs for the chemo. This seems to support what I have heard about platimum colloids being a good cancer treatment. There is one testimonial at http://colloidforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=298 about using a platimum colloid for liver cancer. I have heard of other successes as well with platimum and cancers of the bladder, brain and bone, but have no first hand experiences with it. Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy method to make platimum colloids like there is for silver. If I can find anything else out about it I will post back again. As always, I am not a doctor, but simply a seeker trying to help. Marshall Corgiville wrote: Hello. I am new to the silver-list. I was new to c s and was drinking it this last year. I found out I had bladder cancer in December. I have had surgery and had BCG treatments and am now in maintance with the BCG, I have the generator to make the c s and a friend that taught me how to use it. But when I found out I had bladder cancer I got scared of drinking the C S. I was afraid if there was some deposit of c s that would end up in my bladder or if the c s could do any damage and be more of a hinderance than a prevention to the bladder cancer. I am eating raw vegetables most of the meals. No sugar. No caffine. Drink water, green tea, lemon water and eat almonds for the alkaline effect. I do eat out once a week maybe twice and that is not good. Take a variety of vitamins that I understand is suspose to be
CSunderwater arc and transverse magnetic field
I have been thinking about this since reading the message from Dan Nave about making colloidal gold with an underwater arc and a magnetic field. When there is an arc, then atoms are knocked off the electrode. This is known as sputtering. Now in an underwater arc, the atoms will get caught up in the current flow and become a plasma of ions between the electrodes. The flow of the plasma will be in a direct line between the electrodes. It will be magnetically restrained by the field generated by the current flow itself. Thus very little of the ions in the plasma will actually get trapped in the water surrounding the plasma. What would end up getting into the water would be a significant amount of chuncks of material that were sputtered off and did not ionize since they are not constrained by the field. This would give a dirty look to the water, and much of it would settle out over time. Now if you put a magnetic field orthogonally to the electric flow, the ions will encounter a force causing them to deviate from the straight line. With a sufficient field the ions could be made to move at right angles to the flow, and will encounter the water blanket around the plasma. Chunks of material would not be deflected, so there would be no increase in the contamination from this, but the ions would be deflected, making a colloid in the water at a much faster rate than without the field adn with a much lower amount of crude.. I definitely think you may have hit on something here. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Chemtrails
I also have to disagree with you on the chemtrails. You need to see ours to believe it. I live near one of the larger air force bases in the south, and I can't even tell you the things the air force is doing to us out in the country. Every time the checkerboard skies appear and STAY for hours and sometimes a full day, we end up sick as dogs. Don't even try and convince me I'm imagining these things! deb ***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may have to eat them someday. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHighly concentrated ionic silver argyria - a clarification
I am a bit confused by terminology in this thread. Aren't silver nitrate or silver citrate and silver chloride properly called silver compounds rather than silver ions? Somehow (no chemist, me) I had the idea that a silver ion was one silver atom with an electon missing and could not be anything else but a silver ion, with no other atoms or ions attached to it? Someone please help me out here. I'm trying to follow this thread as it is very interesting, but obviously my definitions of ions and compounds must not be right. TIA, sol Marshall Dudley wrote: The statements are fact as far as I can tell. Ionic silver such as silver nitrate or silver citrate in concentrations over 100 ppm can certainly cause argyria, preperations at 20 ppm of silver hydroxide and less in the form of EIS appear to not. But is it because of the lower concentration, or because EIS contains particles for the ionic silver to plate out on? I think it is the latter choice primarily because I believe that only an ounce or so of 100+ ppm of silver citrate a day can cause argyria, yet a quart or more of 10 to 20 ppm EIS will not. The amount of ionic silver in the quart of EIS is actually several times as much as the silver in the ounce of 100 ppm silver citrate, yet does not cause argyria. I would be willing to bet that if you were to mix WaterOz with Meso Silver, even if the amount of Meso Silver is only 5% of the amount in the WaterOz, it would not cause argyria either. Marshall -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSvitamin C
http://www.puritan.com/pages/Categories.asp?sc=2280xs=719AECEC50284C4A8E5 A while ago someone was asking about where to get high dosage of vitamin C. I just recovered from a computer crash and thought I would pass this on as this is where I get mine. I can't answer the posting as I don't have it anymore. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvitamin C
Hi Dave, If you have a Trader Joes nearby they carry a 1 lb jar of pure C powder for 9.99 also. Take care, V http://www.puritan.com/pages/Categories.asp?sc=2280xs=719AECEC50284C4A8E5 A while ago someone was asking about where to get high dosage of vitamin C. I just recovered from a computer crash and thought I would pass this on as this is where I get mine. I can't answer the posting as I don't have it anymore. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
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The following showed up in my mail today, and I think it should be of interest to all listers. This is because of the Codex commentary attached, which sounds suspiciously like it is intended to lull us all into submissiveness. Did anyone esle on the list get this info? - Original Message - From: NNFA To: William Missett Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: NNFA Advocacy Update March 23, 2005 108th Congress Ends, 109th Congress Begins Codex Clarified Sending Out an SOS Vitamin E Revisited Tell a Friend Dear Grassroots Advocates, After enduring the busiest legislative year since the passage of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) in 1994, NNFA is prepared for another eventful year in Congress and in state legislatures all across the country. Although it has been predicted that the absence of controversial products like andro and ephedra would ease pressure on DSHEA, it is likely that attempts to undermine this landmark legislation will not abate as the 109th Congress escalates its activity. Rest assured, we will continue to do everything in our power to ensure that your access to dietary supplements is not restricted. If we're to continue to be successful, we will need your persistence throughout the year to get our message across to Congress. David R. Seckman Executive Director and CEO End of the 108th Congress, Start of the 109th Fortunately, legislation that would have undermined DSHEA did not advance as Congress ended its legislative session last year. Your persistent efforts to let your legislators know how you felt about maintaining access to safe, affordable and effective dietary supplements registered. We remain concerned, however, that our most vocal opponents in Congress will reintroduce legislation that again attacks DSHEA. We continue to monitor all legislative activity in both chambers of Congress, and we'll be sure to notify you when grassroots action is needed. In the meantime, you can keep track of the status of all bills in Congress and be automatically notified when your representatives vote on key issues. Just click here to sign-up for these announcements through NNFA's Advocacy Action Center. Back to Top A Clarification on Codex There has been a lot of misinformation about activities of the Codex Alimentarius Commission in relation to dietary supplements in recent months. The primary concern expressed about Codex is whether adoption of final guidelines pertaining to upper limits on vitamins and minerals threatens access to these products in the United States. NNFA believes the answer is No and encourages those interested in the topic to get the facts at www.nnfa.org/services/government/EUdir_Codex_QA.htm. You will see Congress took care to protect U.S. laws by including provisions in its trade agreements to ensure that international guidelines adopted in connection with these agreements would not have any legal effect on U.S. federal statutes. As noted by the Food and Drug Administration recently, Nothing in the trade agreements or process will restrict either the sale of dietary supplements in the United States or the type of information that manufacturers may provide to consumers about their products. You can read more about what the FDA has to say about why Codex will not impact U.S. sales of dietary supplements at the following link: www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscodex.html. Back to Top Join the Save Our Supplements Campaign The Coalition to Preserve DSHEA, an advocacy organization dedicated to keeping the landmark 1994 law intact, has launched a consumer information site at http://www.saveoursupplements.org/. We urge you to visit the site if you haven't already and sign-up to receive alerts and information. The SOS site is similar to NNFA's in that you can contact elected officials and members of the media about issues vital to the dietary supplement industry. Back to Top Vitamin E Recent news stories in print and on the air have again heralded the results of another flawed study on vitamin E. This latest article, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, claims that those taking vitamin E may have a higher risk of heart failure. NNFA proactively contacted national media with the positive message about vitamin E that became part of many print and broadcast stories. To get the facts about vitamin E, visit NNFA's Vitamin E Resource Center at www.nnfa.org/vitamine.htm. If your local media covered the
Re: CSHighly concentrated ionic silver argyria - a clarification
sol wrote: I am a bit confused by terminology in this thread. Aren't silver nitrate or silver citrate and silver chloride properly called silver compounds rather than silver ions? They are silver compounds when dry. When dissolved in water the cation and anion disassociate and form a silver cation and a anion of nitrate, citrate and so forth. Ionic silver is thus any compound of silver that is dissolved in water and disassociated. The ionic silver made by a typical EIS setup is the compound of silver hydroxide dissolved in water. Somehow (no chemist, me) I had the idea that a silver ion was one silver atom with an electon missing and could not be anything else but a silver ion, That is correct, The silver cation of any compound dissolved in water is a silver ion. with no other atoms or ions attached to it? That is correct. If the silver atom is attached to another atom then it will be a compound, and in the case of silver will be a solid. When these compounds dissolve in water they disassociate, so that the silver cation is floating around with a postitive charge and the anion is floating around with a negative charge in the liquid so that the liquid is neutral. Someone please help me out here. I'm trying to follow this thread as it is very interesting, but obviously my definitions of ions and compounds must not be right. Any IONIC compound that disassociates in water will form ions, for instance salt will form sodium cations and chloride anions when it dissolves in water. This is extremely easy to prove with a conductance meter, since ions are what causes conductivity in water. If you add silver nitrate or silver citrate to water the conductance will go way up due to the ions they introduce when dissolved. For some additional information on this see: http://www.chemistry.ohio-state.edu/~grandinetti/teaching/Chem121/lectures/Solution%20Chemistry/SolutionChemistry.html http://intro.chem.okstate.edu/1215/Lecture/Chapter7/Lecture92898.html http://www.chemistry.mtu.edu/pages/courses/ch1000-rluck/ch7.pdf Marshall TIA, sol Marshall Dudley wrote: The statements are fact as far as I can tell. Ionic silver such as silver nitrate or silver citrate in concentrations over 100 ppm can certainly cause argyria, preperations at 20 ppm of silver hydroxide and less in the form of EIS appear to not. But is it because of the lower concentration, or because EIS contains particles for the ionic silver to plate out on? I think it is the latter choice primarily because I believe that only an ounce or so of 100+ ppm of silver citrate a day can cause argyria, yet a quart or more of 10 to 20 ppm EIS will not. The amount of ionic silver in the quart of EIS is actually several times as much as the silver in the ounce of 100 ppm silver citrate, yet does not cause argyria. I would be willing to bet that if you were to mix WaterOz with Meso Silver, even if the amount of Meso Silver is only 5% of the amount in the WaterOz, it would not cause argyria either. Marshall -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSkids with skin peeling
Maybe you want to do an independent analysis on the town water. stuff At 09:07 AM 3/24/2005 -0600, you wrote: Hi Stuff, They bathe in town water, but they drink triple reverse osmosis ozonated water from an independant well source that is local. It would get very costly to haul water to bath in. Colloidal silver seems to soothe the rashes a bit but does not seem to get rid of it. Thanks, G Murray Stuff wrote: Just a thought... Are you using bottled water or city/well water? Whatever it is, you might want to switch to another source to see what happens. stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005
Re: CSkids with skin peeling
They are also good as boiled greens and in salads. (as long as they are not sprayed with poison) - Original Message - From: deborah byron laqueren...@cox-internet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: CSkids with skin peeling I'm sure you've already thought of this as well then, but its the time of year in my part of the world where many people are spraying herbicides for the early so called weeds--what's wrong with dandelions anyway? Honeybees love them. Anyway, just another thought especially if your kids play on sports fields. Best, Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVit A overdose
Thanks, I was looking for the dosage that I could give the kids for Vit A as I know it can be toxic. Eskimos in the wilds eat 150,000 i.u.'s per day all winter without any toxic reaction. One medical doctor (since run out of town), was successfully treating cancer using 3 million i.u.'s per day without problems. He stated that it was the synthetic Vit A that caused all the overdose cases that have been reported, not the natural fish oil Vit A. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver-Colloids responds
As an amateur, I am agnostic on the never-ending controversy, and try to keep an open mind while continuing my self-education.I note that just about everyone on this list has, in the end, observed that quality home-brew EIS is effective for many complaints, and I have seen a Silvergen product eliminate conjunctivitis in a matter of hours (yes, yes, just another anecdote . . . ) I find the back-and-forth useful, but in the end, not completely convincing.But here is an interesting claim for a final putting-to-rest of the ionic/colloid argument, that some readers may find informative. http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/ documentation_detail.php?DocumentID=5 NB Jason Eaton, whom long-timers know quite well, has recommended the products of this company for those who can afford them, while at the same time endorsing EIS as a low-cost solution efficacious for most of us. JBB On Friday, Mar 25, 2005, at 03:54 Asia/Tokyo, Info wrote: Marshall wrote: .and Steve's work indicates that colloidal silver, at least the meso silver product, does not kill pathogens, so we are kind of back where we started. Given Quinto's past history of scientific claims for his ionic product such as Each drop yields more than 100,000,000 million particles of pure silver that possess energia. The word energia is a make-believe word that has no definition on his website or in the known universe. This is called techno-babble; the use of technical sounding words to impress the non-technical reader. Furthermore, Quinto continues to promotes his ionic product by the use of TEM images that he claims show proof of the small particles in the product when in reality they only show particles of silver oxide formed during sample preparation. See: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html In a court room the jury must always ascertain the credibility of a witness. How can one attribute any credibility to Quinto's bacteriology studies when confronted with his past and still current use of bogus science to promote his product. A prudent observer may find it difficult to believe anything he says. On the other hand, one of the largest and most respected testing laboratories in the country (EMSL) has performed pathogen challenge tests on Mesosilver designed to the most rigorous scientific standards. For those who don't know what rigorous scientific standards for pathogen testing means; the tests must be performed in triplicate, with plating in duplicate and results shown as means and standard deviations. This is required for publication quality, meaning no scientific publication would consider publishing your paper if the tests were no up to this standard. It is also the standard required by the FDA for pharmaceutical testing. The Mesosilver test results prove beyond the slightest doubt that Mesosilver killed every pathogen it was tested on. Here are the tests: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html We have not seen published test results from any manufacturer of ionic silver products that comes close to meeting the rigorous scientific standards that were used by EMSL for the Mesosilver tests. Virtually all the test results we have seen to-date were performed as disinfectant type tests where the product is used full strength. Properly designed in vitro pathogen challenge tests attempt to simulate the as close as possible, or at least bracket, the concentration levels that can be achieved in the bloodstream. To achieve in vivo the concentrations used in Quinto's testing would require that all your blood must be drained and replaced with ionic silver, a requirement that some may consider to be unreasonable. Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab. www.colloidalsciencelab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit A overdose
That is what Adelle Davis reported in her books as well. I`ve been taking cod liver oil pearls lately, it helps! Marshalee Thanks, I was looking for the dosage that I could give the kids for Vit A as I know it can be toxic. Eskimos in the wilds eat 150,000 i.u.'s per day all winter without any toxic reaction. One medical doctor (since run out of town), was successfully treating cancer using 3 million i.u.'s per day without problems. He stated that it was the synthetic Vit A that caused all the overdose cases that have been reported, not the natural fish oil Vit A. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver-Colloids responds
Marshal, That is very interesting. Ammonia quite often exists at diseased sites as a breakdown product of some bacteria, or as a waste product from some bacteria. I'm using the term bacteria loosely here. Certainly ammonia in the human body is an indication of dis-biosis. So that would be a really neat mechanism. The insoluble silver chloride churns around not doing anything until it gets a whiff of ammonia, dumps the silver which in turn de-activates any susceptible bacteria. hth, Tony. On 24 Mar 2005 at 11:20, Marshall Dudley wrote about : Subject : Re: CSSilver-Colloids responds Much of what I think happens is from studying chemistry and research, but not from tests other than in glasses of EIS. EIS is 80 to 90% ionic, and 10 to 20% particulate. The ionic portion is a combination of AgOH and Ag2O, silver hydroxide and silver oxide. Silver oxide has a solubility of about 13 ppm, but I cannot find any consistant information on the solubility of silver hydroxide. I believe that the majority of the ionic content of freshly made EIS is the hydroxide but have yet to figure out how to prove it. When EIS contacts the stomach, the ionic portion reacts with stomach acid. This produces AgCl, silver chloride. Silver Chloride has a solubility of only about .8 ppm in water. In water with a chloride ion the solubility decreases due to the common ion effect, but at a level below the level of chlorine (from salt) in the blood and presumably the stomach the solubility increases again due to it forming soluble chloride complexes. Interesting at the level of chloriine in the blood it is right back to about .8 ppm again. So if you mix EIS with something like Gatorade that has salt in it approximating the level of the blood, then the amount of AgCl that will be dissolved is significantly higher than if you mix it with water or take it straight. Now once in the stomach about .8 ppm (including the increased volume from the gastric juices) will be able to be dissolved, the rest will precipitate out. I have read that traces of ammonia in the stomach increase the solubility significantly. I believe that Steve Quinto is the one who is supporting that view. However ammonia cannot exist in the stomach, it will react with the HCl producing ammonium chloride. So the question becomes, is there enough ammonium chloride in the stomach to create a soluble compound of silver (fulminating silver complex), and if so, is the reaction favorable. I don't know, but I do believe that the research done by Brookes and Gatorade shows that if it does contribute to the solubility, the effect is minor at best. Now, if we follow the dissolved silver chloride, it will penetrate the stomach wall rather quickly. This accomplishes two things, putting silver chloride into the blood, and reducing the silver chloride in the stomach so that which precipitated out will begin redissolving again. That which reaches the blood stream does not stay in ionic form long though. There are two mechanisms at work that should quickly reduce the ionic (dissolved) silver chloride to silver particles. The first is the normal photographic process. In the presence of any developer in the blood, such as caffine or hydrogen peroxide, the silver chloride will reduce upon contact with silver particles. The result is a slight increase in particle size of the colloidal portion. The other factor at work is that the silver chloride will react with any ammonia in the blood. Although this increases solubility tremendously for the silver, it is probably irrelevent because it will then react with the glucose in the blood, causing once again metallic silver to plate out, much of it presumable on the present particles (or perhaps forming 2 atom colloidal particles). So I would expect to not be able to find any ionic (dissolved) silver in the blood, although silver in particulate form should be found. Now if there are no particles to plate out on, initial seed particles will be formed wherever the silver compound is exposed to light. Then once the seed particles are formed, the rest plates out on them. The result is rapid and huge growth of a few particles in the skin instead of a slight growth of many particles in the blood. And this can cause these particles to lodge into the tissues producting a blue grey kind of tatoo called agyria. So the colloidal portion of EIS acts as a preventative for argyria. However this certainly does not answer all the questions. It provides a theory as to why dissolved silver compounds are not found in the blood, yet ionic silver is still effective. However, it also indicates that the ionic silver becomes colloidal silver in the blood, and Steve's work indicates that colloidal silver, at least the meso silver product, does not kill pathogens, so we are kind of back where we started. Frank Key's suggestion that the full strength test that Steve did
Re: CSCS MS
I would really appreciate the info. alsoI have been taking CS for 2wks. started at 1oz. 3 times a day.now I am up to 16 oz. adayI am just going to stay at this amount. Debb From: Yogiboy epa...@sympatico.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: RE: CSCS MS Hi Nina, Would you be able to elaborate on this? My sister has MS and she's been seeing Louise( homeopath )here in Toronto. She is the person who's name I sent to you some time back. I would like to know more about Dr. Dean's protocol for using CS. Many thanks. Ernie -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS MS Mycoplasma is thought to be the cause of MS=== Ward Dean MD has a protocol for This using IV Cs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005
RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
They are to map the planet energy-grid so that harp (deliberately misspelled) can image airborne objects. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Ode Coyote wrote: Chemtrails? Yea right. Maybe isolated and/or misconstrued cases, but 99.9% of the 'evidence' presented for a wide spread conspiracy is WAY screwy, sneaking across the borders of physically impossible, VERY and obviously misleading to anyone who knows anything about physics and the properties of states of matter. Laboratory proof..SERIOUSLY bad science in the face of obvious and simple direct sampling procedures that have not been done. I have to disagree with you on the chemtrails. Too much first hand knowledge and personal experience with them. Seen them coming out of nossles mounted on the plane when viewed with binocolars. Seen a half dozen planes flying checkerboard over a city for hours spraying when over the city, then turning it off when they turn around to make the next pass. Seen trails at altitudes below clouds that exist only at lower levels, far below where it is possible for a contrail to form. I have watched two planes pass each other, one spraying, and the other with a contrail, and the contrail evaporates in a matter of a minute or two, but the other one spreads out and hangs until it reaches the ground. I have been with a group of people that watched trails being sprayed one day wondering what was going on (this was when they first started and I was not aware of them yet), and watched the trails descend and reach the ground producing a fog on a warm day with under 50% humidity and when it reached the ground everyone started choking and their skin burning, inclucing mine. We all had to rush home and take a shower or bath to stop the burning. Sorry, but for me, experience trumps all theories. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CShigh ppm CS experiment, was Re: CSCS site
When I tried to make higher than about 20 with a CsPro High Voltage machine, it just made yellow/brown gick. -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShigh ppm CS experiment, was Re: CSCS site Re: CShigh ppm CS experiment, was Re: CSCS site http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78777.html From: Mike Monett (view other messages by this author) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:37:27 Thanks very much for your help, sol. Yes, I found getting to 20uS is reasonably easy, then it seems to hit a brick wall. Every increment in performance becomes twice as difficult. The water has a lot to do with it, but I have no idea what it could be. I was sure David's results with demineralized water would prove to be in error, but he easily passed every test I could throw at him. His PWT reading of 53uS was astounding to me. Also note he uses magnetic stirring, and I believe you have thermal. This shows the high PWT readings are possible under very different conditions, so the process may turn out to be quite robust. *** Mike, I recently experimented with making colloidal gold using a 12KV neon sign transformer and gold wire inside glass tubing and producing an arc under the water to produce the colloid. The initial batches were a dull bluish color which had significant amount of precipitation after several days. I tried a batch where I surrounded the container with some strong magnets that I had recycled from electric motors. The (earth) north pole side was facing in towards the electrodes for all magnets. This batch took less time and was a brilliant and clear amethyst color with absolutely no precipitates. I feel that the magnetic field affected the water or the process in a significant way. Don't ask me how... Perhaps the magnetic stirring you refer to has some effect on the CS process. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
