CSdaily dosage
What is a good daily dosage for a 5 and 8 year old? and for an adult? my CS is about 8ppm. The amount changes from one person to another when i aski dont want to be under dosing?... - Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail
Re: CSAvian Flu - inhalations - length of time?
I have a gadget that sends out a cloud of mist by a sonic process. It just has a nozzle that directs it, no mask or anything. May I ask you - do you use some sort of mask or towel or something to stop the mist dispersing? How long do you keep the flow on for? Until the receptacle is empty, or until you feel uncomfortable, or for just two or six or ten breaths? Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu - inhalations - length of time?
They make these real nice little ultrasonic humidifiers that make a colud of mist by sonic means also and they are available at Walmart for cheap. Works great for inhaling CS or other things. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2365699 I have a gadget that sends out a cloud of mist by a sonic process. It just has a nozzle that directs it, no mask or anything. May I ask you - do you use some sort of mask or towel or something to stop the mist dispersing? How long do you keep the flow on for? Until the receptacle is empty, or until you feel uncomfortable, or for just two or six or ten breaths? Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
Re: CSSuggestion
Thanks, Debbie. Looks like an interesting resource. Mike D. Hi Mike, Thanks for all you have done to keep us together and let us newbie's learn so much. May I suggest some tech's that I know of at www.protonic.com maybe run everything by them and see what they might suggest...with all the FREE software that is available out there maybe there is something we don't know about. Just thinking here...oh the people at protonic are free they are on a volunteer basis. Have a great one :) Debbie [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons
I am pretty sure I have heard of dogs being cured of distemper with CS, I know I have about parvo. Marshall Connie Howard wrote: I read that Distemper is a virus. If that is the case then would not using Collodial Silver help? We are experiencing a large distemper problem with our Raccoon population. I also have numerous cats (who get Collodial Silver regularly) and would like to ensure that they are safe. But if Distemper is a virus can't the Raccoons be treated rather then put down. Just thought someone might have some input on this. thanks connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter
The trick to extreme dilution is to do it in multiple steps, not all at once. For instance, put a 1/8 teaspoon into 8 oz of water, then use an eye dropper to put one or two drops into another 8 oz of water. Then you can use a few drops from that second one to give you extremely low amounts of dilution, or if it is too dilute, go back and use a few drops from the first one. That will give you a repeatable dilution, after you find the correct number of drops, keep the second 8 oz for later. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: That small amount is about the same as, or more than, the small amount of silver being released. It's amazing how hard it is to not put too much bicarb in the water...the tiniest little fleck on the end of a toothpick in a quart of water raises the conductivity by 5 or 6 uS where current starts flowing stronger than you'd really want it to. Ode At 09:32 AM 9/30/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hello: Would the small amount of Silver Carbonate formed in this process be disadventageous in any way? Ian - Original Message - From: Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: CSSodium Bicarb for starter Hello: Is there anything to be really concerned about in adding Sodium Bicarb to Distilled water in small amounts, say to increase PPM to 5 before starting the electrolytic process for CS? I had been using 25% CS ( 1000 ml Starter plus 3000 ml Distilled) from the previous batches but have found that starting with 5 ppm Sodium Bicarb greatly speeds the process up and the CS that comes out is clear and tastes like good CS and it works. Ian -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/115 - Release Date: 9/29/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9 - Release Date: 9/29/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9 - Release Date: 9/30/2005
Re: CScolloidal silver and mold
CS works great on some molds, but has been reported to not affect other ones. Mold is like algae, a single celled organism that forms branching colonies. Marshall Lea Ann wrote: Hello, CS only works with single cell organisms right? Is mold a single cell organism? I was wondering if I sprayed CS in my shower if it would prevent/clean up the mold? TIA(Thanks In Advance) Blessings,Lea Ann
Re: CSAvian Flu
Lea Ann, As I mentioned regarding my use of CS, I take it daily on an empty stomach in order to keep the silver titer up in my system. I feel it keeps my system on guard much better than waiting to get infected and then deal with it. Of course I would still use a nebulizer to get to the lungs if a virus ever did get that far. I've been taking it daily for about 7 years now and that's my recommendation to any and all who ask about using it for preventative purposes. As you know, kids are mobile contamination units and what goes around is usually carried around by them. I also let people with kids know that the ounce of daily prevention is always worth more than the pound of cure they face later. Trem - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 8:21 PM Subject: Re: CSAvian Flu Or just have them mist before they leave for school, and as soon as they get home would probably help a lot. sol Lea Ann wrote: Thanks Trem for your input! I understand what you are saying. I wonder what would happen if I sent spary bottles of CS to school with the kids and taught them to spray their hands, ears, eyes, and nose once or twice a day - I bet it would help prevent infection in the first place. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005
Re: CSCS and vinegar and ascorbic acid
I add citric acid to CS that I sell for mixing into other ingredients as a stabalizer. That hopefully keeps the ionic portion of it from combining with other ingredients and precipitating out. Marshall Ed Kasper wrote: any opinions about the combination of these (CS and acetic acid and ascorbic acid [vit C]) thanks, Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDistemper Raccoons
Connie--how great of you to do this for a wild animal. Just wanted to mention something about homeopathy--I know of a practitioner who says there's a nosode which can be put out in drinking water so that wildlife can be 'vaccinated' against rabies. Isn't that brilliant--I'll bet she'd have something similar for distemper. Let me know if you'd like contact info. Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons
Be carefulcould be rabiesin the encephalitic form. Dr. David W. Kenney Transfer Factor Information: http://www.my4life.com/drdave http://livingnow.net/drdave http://drdavidken...@riovidanetwork.com/ -Original Message- From: Connie Howard [mailto:craehow...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:14 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons Thanks for the input. I was able to cage the racoon and since Saturday have been giving him CS (20ppm approx). I've used a large kitchen basting suction unit and have filled it full. The racoon has gone through over a half a quart of CS. Also; he has ate more than a pound of ground turkey with a special mixture that I give my cats. I notice that after eating he has had something like seizures that last approx a minue to 2 minutes. He then breaths rapidly and usually will fall asleep. It's to early to tell how this will play out. I'm going to buy some L-Lysine and mega dose him and see if that helps. connie On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:12:04 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com writes: http://www.bunnyrabbit.com/Newsletter/volume1issue2/issue2.htm For severe infections (parvo, distemper, etc.) use an eyedropper (of colloidal silver) and give 1 tsp. - 1 Tbs., 3 times a day directly in pets mouth until condition improves. Marshall Connie Howard wrote: I read that Distemper is a virus. If that is the case then would not using Collodial Silver help? We are experiencing a large distemper problem with our Raccoon population. I also have numerous cats (who get Collodial Silver regularly) and would like to ensure that they are safe. But if Distemper is a virus can't the Raccoons be treated rather then put down. Just thought someone might have some input on this. thanks connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
Lea Ann wrote: I am interested to hear what others on this list think about CS's effectiveness in surviving a Flue Pandemic. I continue to make and administer CS for myself and my family but have become a little discouraged recently when all 3 of my boys have had to resort to medications in order to defeat whatever this broncitis virus or mycoplasma bacterial broncitis thing is that has attacked them. Broncial assaults often if not usually require nebulizing the CS. Did you nebulize it? I had to take Dean (age 7) to the ER about two weeks ago. His Xrays showed diffuse infiltrates that were abnormal to the Dr. I talked the Dr. out of antibiotics in the ER, but by the next afternoon gladly had the doctor give him a shot of rocephin because he had reached the point where he couldn't even walk to the bathroom without assistance he was so weak. He had been fighting the illness for a week and a half. Wow, that stuff is expensive, I remember paying almost $5,000 for a few shots of rocephin. Then, about a week ago Austin (age 9) and Luke (age 3) came down with the same symptoms and Austin who has a history of reactive airway disease (which is when a kid has Asthma only as a result of an illness) had to be taken to the ER because he was having an asthma attack that albuterol breathing treatments were not helping at all. He had the same infiltrates in his lungs. They almost admitted him but 2 hours after a shot of steroids and 3 breathing treatments his oxegyn saturation levels finally came back up. If you pure oxygen with the nebulizing, IE using Brooks nebulizer design with an oxygen bottle, that helps tremendously. In fact I have never heard of it now working for this type of assault. Marshall Luke was also getting worse until I relented and put him on antibiotics. It is just so discouraging that I try and try to treat with CS but antbiotics clear up the problem often within hours. And it wasn't only CS... I tried hourly doses of Vit C, garlic, zinc, echinacea and goldenseal. When I read articles like this one on avian flu and think of a pandemic I see a picture of me trying again to treat with CS and it not working and it's a scary picture. Any thoughts? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com Subject: CSAvian Flu Hi Folks, I've been subscribing to Dr. David Williams newsletter ALTERNATIVES for many years. Here's a really pertinent report from him in his August 2005 issue. Especially since we have something in our arsenal that kills virus. The One that Flu the Coop A couple of years ago I wrote about the avian flu virus (bird flu). A dire situation is brewing in the Far East... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons
Connie, Bless you for caring for a wild raccoon. Try giving him high doses of Vit C also. If he develops diarrhea back the dosage back slightly until he has a normal stool. Give as much as you can on a daily basis. Good luck. I just love raccoons. Teri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/115 - Release Date: 9/29/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
In a message dated 10/2/05 2:02:35 PM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ Trem -- any way that you could provide this information for us? MA
Re: CSCongestive Heart Failure
In our school system students are expelled if they are caught with any drugs (other than prescription drugs made out for that child), so be careful what you label it. We had one student that was expelled when another child was stung by a wasp, and was about to die because her wind pipe closed up. The teachers had nothing to help her, so a student with asthma gave her her breather and it cleared her windpipe saving her life. She was expelled for giving drugs to another student. Marshall Charles Sutton wrote: Mea Culpa. don't know where that came from... sorry - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: CSCongestive Heart Failure In a message dated 10/1/2005 6:11:28 PM Central Standard Time, cds...@earthlink.net writes: subject line is Congestive Heart Failure (CFG) I think the question arose because Congestive Heart Failure should have the letters CHF -- not CFG. MA
RE: CSCS and vinegar and ascorbic acid
Thanks for the advice. I am mixing CS with essiac tea along with vit C and with a kombucha tea extract (has a 2% acetic acid level) and wanted opinions on the combination. ed -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and vinegar and ascorbic acid I add citric acid to CS that I sell for mixing into other ingredients as a stabalizer. That hopefully keeps the ionic portion of it from combining with other ingredients and precipitating out. Marshall Ed Kasper wrote: any opinions about the combination of these (CS and acetic acid and ascorbic acid [vit C]) thanks, Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons
Thanks for the input. I was able to cage the racoon and since Saturday have been giving him CS (20ppm approx). I've used a large kitchen basting suction unit and have filled it full. The racoon has gone through over a half a quart of CS. Also; he has ate more than a pound of ground turkey with a special mixture that I give my cats. I notice that after eating he has had something like seizures that last approx a minue to 2 minutes. He then breaths rapidly and usually will fall asleep. It's to early to tell how this will play out. I'm going to buy some L-Lysine and mega dose him and see if that helps. connie On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:12:04 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com writes: http://www.bunnyrabbit.com/Newsletter/volume1issue2/issue2.htm For severe infections (parvo, distemper, etc.) use an eyedropper (of colloidal silver) and give 1 tsp. - 1 Tbs., 3 times a day directly in pets mouth until condition improves. Marshall Connie Howard wrote: I read that Distemper is a virus. If that is the case then would not using Collodial Silver help? We are experiencing a large distemper problem with our Raccoon population. I also have numerous cats (who get Collodial Silver regularly) and would like to ensure that they are safe. But if Distemper is a virus can't the Raccoons be treated rather then put down. Just thought someone might have some input on this. thanks connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
Hi MA, I'm not sure what you want. You didn't give me enough info to see what you're getting at. I posted an article by Dr. David Williams from his ALTERNATIVES newsletter. Try again and be more specific or email me offline and I'll get right back to you. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: CSAvian Flu In a message dated 10/2/05 2:02:35 PM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ Trem -- any way that you could provide this information for us? MA -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/2005
Re: CSAvian Flu - inhalations - length of time?
That's good. (Rather far for me to nip down to Walmart, but I was lucky enough to get one on special in a chemist a bit closer to home last year. But no instruction book with it, unfortunately, and I was never able to locate the maker on line.) For how long do you inhale it? My DH has come down with some chest thing and I have set up the one I have for him, but if it's at all close it makes him cough, though I can inhale it no problem. When I was using it previously as a preventive measure, I didn't inhale for very long, just until I got a bit fed up. But using it in earnest, I don't know. Should one try to get all that mist into the lungs, or just what chances to drift by, or cover head with towel so none escapes, or use some sort of mask? After a surprisingly unsuccessful search for pictures of nebulisers in use, one tiny pic of a little boy using a nebuliser makes me wonder whether the spout thing is supposed to go in the mouth! Rowena Australia They make these real nice little ultrasonic humidifiers that make a colud of mist by sonic means also and they are available at Walmart for cheap. Works great for inhaling CS or other things. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2365699 I have a gadget that sends out a cloud of mist by a sonic process. It just has a nozzle that directs it, no mask or anything. May I ask you - do you use some sort of mask or towel or something to stop the mist dispersing? How long do you keep the flow on for? Until the receptacle is empty, or until you feel uncomfortable, or for just two or six or ten breaths? Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons
Soiunds like it could be rabies. It would be interesting to see if CS can cure rabies. Marshall Connie Howard wrote: Thanks for the input. I was able to cage the racoon and since Saturday have been giving him CS (20ppm approx). I've used a large kitchen basting suction unit and have filled it full. The racoon has gone through over a half a quart of CS. Also; he has ate more than a pound of ground turkey with a special mixture that I give my cats. I notice that after eating he has had something like seizures that last approx a minue to 2 minutes. He then breaths rapidly and usually will fall asleep. It's to early to tell how this will play out. I'm going to buy some L-Lysine and mega dose him and see if that helps. connie On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:12:04 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com writes: http://www.bunnyrabbit.com/Newsletter/volume1issue2/issue2.htm For severe infections (parvo, distemper, etc.) use an eyedropper (of colloidal silver) and give 1 tsp. - 1 Tbs., 3 times a day directly in pets mouth until condition improves. Marshall Connie Howard wrote: I read that Distemper is a virus. If that is the case then would not using Collodial Silver help? We are experiencing a large distemper problem with our Raccoon population. I also have numerous cats (who get Collodial Silver regularly) and would like to ensure that they are safe. But if Distemper is a virus can't the Raccoons be treated rather then put down. Just thought someone might have some input on this. thanks connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDistemper Raccoons
pets4homeopa...@yahoogroups.com There are at least 2 veterinary homeopaths on this list and one (Lita) has a website with lots of information and remedies. It was Lita who mentioned the idea of homeopathically 'vaccinating' wildlife--which isn't at all like conventional vaccines. The vet you mentioned probably meant to discourage the conventional approach. www.pets4homeopathy.com Deborah Note: this isn't an advertisement--I have no financial connection with these people On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:13:52 -0500, Connie Howard craehow...@juno.com wrote: Deb.. I love contact info. I asked my neighbor who goes to a wholistic vet to see about vaccinations. She said that he indicated not to vaccinate the raccoon. So I just assumed they did not have a vaccination for these animals. Thanks for the help. connie On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:21:58 -0500 deborah byron laqueren...@cox-internet.com writes: Connie--how great of you to do this for a wild animal. Just wanted to mention something about homeopathy--I know of a practitioner who says there's a nosode which can be put out in drinking water so that wildlife can be 'vaccinated' against rabies. Isn't that brilliant--I'll bet she'd have something similar for distemper. Let me know if you'd like contact info. Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
In a message dated 10/3/05 11:18:08 AM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: I posted an article by Dr. David Williams from his ALTERNATIVES newsletter. Yes -- you made reference to his newsletter and what I was hoping for was the information I highlighted in your post -- preventive measures covered in a previous newsletter. I've already deleted your original post and my reply, so I can't be of more help on this. :-( MA
Re: CSDistemper Raccoons
Deb.. I love contact info. I asked my neighbor who goes to a wholistic vet to see about vaccinations. She said that he indicated not to vaccinate the raccoon. So I just assumed they did not have a vaccination for these animals. Thanks for the help. connie On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:21:58 -0500 deborah byron laqueren...@cox-internet.com writes: Connie--how great of you to do this for a wild animal. Just wanted to mention something about homeopathy--I know of a practitioner who says there's a nosode which can be put out in drinking water so that wildlife can be 'vaccinated' against rabies. Isn't that brilliant--I'll bet she'd have something similar for distemper. Let me know if you'd like contact info. Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
Hello Trem, The following quote was near the end of the article by Dr. David Williams that you posted: Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ I think that MA wanted to know if you had this article: Vol. 10, No. 2.\ I was also had the same question as MA - hopefully Vol. 10, no.2 is online and easy to locate so it can jut be cut and pasted into an e-mail like the last article. Thanks for all you do! Lea Ann - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: CSAvian Flu Hi MA, I'm not sure what you want. You didn't give me enough info to see what you're getting at. I posted an article by Dr. David Williams from his ALTERNATIVES newsletter. Try again and be more specific or email me offline and I'll get right back to you. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: CSAvian Flu In a message dated 10/2/05 2:02:35 PM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ Trem -- any way that you could provide this information for us? MA
Re: CSAvian Flu
In a message dated 10/3/05 12:34:30 PM Central Daylight Time, lsav...@cfl.rr.com writes: The following quote was near the end of the article by Dr. David Williams that you posted: Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ I think that MA wanted to know if you had this article: Vol. 10, No. 2.\ That's IT LeaAnn -- thank you!MA
CSOrthodontia question...
Hi folks, I have the greatest of respect for you all and treasure you as a most valuable resource. I beg your indulgence for a personal question that is not particularly CS related: My 15 year old daughter needs braces. At least, she has a gap between her front teeth that needs closing. Of course we don't know what else the orthodontist will imagine needs doing until we go in there. roll eyes May I pick your brains for anything you'd care to share with me about this subject? Things to avoid and seek out? Hazards? Risks? Costs? Resources and information? Please educate me! Thank you, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
How do you make your own nebuliser for cs? where can one buy this in the uk ? Debbie Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Lea Ann wrote: I am interested to hear what others on this list think about CS's effectiveness in surviving a Flue Pandemic. I continue to make and administer CS for myself and my family but have become a little discouraged recently when all 3 of my boys have had to resort to medications in order to defeat whatever this broncitis virus or mycoplasma bacterial broncitis thing is that has attacked them. Broncial assaults often if not usually require nebulizing the CS. Did you nebulize it? I had to take Dean (age 7) to the ER about two weeks ago. His Xrays showed diffuse infiltrates that were abnormal to the Dr. I talked the Dr. out of antibiotics in the ER, but by the next afternoon gladly had the doctor give him a shot of rocephin because he had reached the point where he couldn't even walk to the bathroom without assistance he was so weak. He had been fighting the illness for a week and a half. Wow, that stuff is expensive, I remember paying almost $5,000 for a few shots of rocephin. Then, about a week ago Austin (age 9) and Luke (age 3) came down with the same symptoms and Austin who has a history of reactive airway disease (which is when a kid has Asthma only as a result of an illness) had to be taken to the ER because he was having an asthma attack that albuterol breathing treatments were not helping at all. He had the same infiltrates in his lungs. They almost admitted him but 2 hours after a shot of steroids and 3 breathing treatments his oxegyn saturation levels finally came back up. If you pure oxygen with the nebulizing, IE using Brooks nebulizer design with an oxygen bottle, that helps tremendously. In fact I have never heard of it now working for this type of assault. Marshall Luke was also getting worse until I relented and put him on antibiotics. It is just so discouraging that I try and try to treat with CS but antbiotics clear up the problem often within hours. And it wasn't only CS... I tried hourly doses of Vit C, garlic, zinc, echinacea and goldenseal. When I read articles like this one on avian flu and think of a pandemic I see a picture of me trying again to treat with CS and it not working and it's a scary picture. Any thoughts? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: Trem Subject: CSAvian Flu Hi Folks, I've been subscribing to Dr. David Williams newsletter ALTERNATIVES for many years. Here's a really pertinent report from him in his August 2005 issue. Especially since we have something in our arsenal that kills virus. The One that Flu the Coop A couple of years ago I wrote about the avian flu virus (bird flu). A dire situation is brewing in the Far East... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
CSlung problems from herbacides and cs causing yeast
IN response to the post about children getting ill from playing baseball , I have also read theories about the incidence of lymphoma with avid golf players. Apparently the golf greens are loaded with pesticides to keep it looking nice. About the cs causing yeast infections, isnt CS supposed to kill yeast? __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
Hi Lea Ann and MA, Sorry but I don't have that one. I'm sure I got it but at this point in time I don't have a clue where it is. Try googling Dr. David Williams and perhaps you'll be able to get the info. I hope this helps you, Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Lea Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Re: CSAvian Flu Hello Trem, The following quote was near the end of the article by Dr. David Williams that you posted: Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ I think that MA wanted to know if you had this article: Vol. 10, No. 2.\ I was also had the same question as MA - hopefully Vol. 10, no.2 is online and easy to locate so it can jut be cut and pasted into an e-mail like the last article. Thanks for all you do! Lea Ann - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: CSAvian Flu Hi MA, I'm not sure what you want. You didn't give me enough info to see what you're getting at. I posted an article by Dr. David Williams from his ALTERNATIVES newsletter. Try again and be more specific or email me offline and I'll get right back to you. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: CSAvian Flu In a message dated 10/2/05 2:02:35 PM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ Trem -- any way that you could provide this information for us? MA -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/2005
Re: CSdaily dosage
What is a good daily dosage for a 5 and 8 year old? and for an adult? my CS is about 8ppm. The amount changes from one person to another when i aski dont want to be under dosing?... Hi Debbie, It's not a precise science. For specific things we dose for effect. Take enough to either improve the condition or the Herx effect gets too uncomfortable... As a preventative, I'll take a mouthful every day or two as I think about it. Swish it around and swallow. (Don't swig from the bottle, but pour it into your mouth (or a glass!)) A rinse with CS afterwards is a good thing to add to your tooth brushing routine. Folks doing that report going many months or years without catching anything, so it can be worth doing. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
In a message dated 10/3/05 1:13:56 PM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Try googling Dr. David Williams OK, thanks. MA
Re: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons
Here is the whole colloidal silver article from the newsletter: Errr, I thought silver particles have no charge? Which is why they do not register on a conductance meter such as PWT, or TDS? Since CS kills anerobes as well as aerobic bacteria, the below info about smothering the bad guys gives the impression that CS cannot kill beneficial bacteria, which is simply untrue, and could be dangerous if people believe it. Could be particularly dangerous for rabbits, as if one gave a rabbit the dose of CS I give my cats (half their drinking water is CS) it would very likely kill the rabbit, just as oral penicillin, clindamycin, etc kill rabbits when given orally. Good thing it later says only put 1 tsp to 1 TBS in a pet's water! Another piece of mis-information states that CS circulates in the for a week or two??? Though a small study of one person, I thought the Altman study pretty much showed CS goes through in a day or two, not weeks? Also states silver accumulates in tissues in 3 or 4 daysI thought this was also not the case? If CS is indeed excreted as per the Atlman study isn't this also mis-information? Isn't the statement that CS forms no toxic compounds also wrong? Some silver compounds are toxic, I believe. Whether those form in the body, if only pure ionic/particulate CS is ingested is another issue. I am speaking of the statement as a flat statement that no silver compound is toxic at all. All in all I have to give this a big thumbs down. Too inaccurate, too sloppy, and could be dangerously misleading to someone who knows nothing about CS, and for a rabbit newsletter to publish something containing inaccuracies that could lead easily to rabbit deaths through careless oral use is just awful. Had the info been directed solely to humans, dogs, cats, I'd still have a lot of trouble with the inaccuracies as I see them. sol How Does Colloidal Silver Work? The silver particles in colloidal silver contain a positive charge and are attracted to virus, fungi, bacterium and other single celled pathogens (disease causing organisms). When the silver particles attach themselves to these pathogens, they disable the pathogens' oxygen Metabolism enzyme. In other words, they suffocate and kill the bad guys. They don't have a chance to develop resistant strains. Once the bad guy is dead, the silver particle releases its' bond and searches for a new Pathogen to attach to. The dead pathogens are then cleared out of the body by the immune, lymphatic and elimination systems. Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics which destroy beneficial enzymes (good guys), colloidal silver leaves these tissue cell enzymes intact. This makes colloidal silver absolutely safe for humans, animals, reptiles, plants and all multi-celled living matter. Taken orally, colloidal silver is absorbed from the mouth into the bloodstream, then travels quickly to the body cells. For faster absorption, swish colloidal silver under your tongue for a few seconds, before swallowing. In 3 or 4 days the silver will have accumulated in the tissues enough for benefits to begin. after ingesting colloidal silver, it circulates in the body for about a week or two before being eliminated by the kidneys, lymph system and bowel. A regular daily intake of colloidal silver is recommended to protect the body against dangerous pathogens. Colloidal silver is painless on cuts, abrasions, burns, in open wounds in the nostrils for a stuffy nose, and even in a baby's eyes because, unlike antiseptics, it does not destroy tissue cells. It is impossible for single-celled organisms to mutate into silver -resistant forms, as happens with conventional antibiotics. Therefore, no tolerance to colloidal silver ever develops. Colloidal silver will not interact or interfere with other medications. Inside the body, silver forms no toxic compounds, nor reacts with anything other than a germ's oxygen metabolizing enzyme. Suggested dosages - all are adjustable. People infants 0-1 yr. 1/4 tsp. - 1/4 Tbs.. children 1-7 yrs 1/2 tsp. - 1/2 Tbs.. adults 7+ yrs. 1 tsp. - 1 Tbs. cuts and abrasions - After thorough cleaning, apply gauze soaked with colloidal silver. Re-soak or change dressing three times a day or as needed or just spray wound three to six times a day. Tooth care - put a few drops on your tooth brush every brushing without toothpaste and swish around in mouth for 30 sec. then spit out. External use - eczema, fungus, rashes, athletes foot, warts, arthritis, bursitis , acne, boils, etc. spray on affected area three times a day or as often as needed until clear or apply gauze soaked in colloidal silver until clear. Sinus Eye Infection - Sprits or drop in each nostril, eye or ear every 15 min. until condition improves. then every hour until completely relieved. When putting drops in eyes, pt drops in tear duct area then keep eye closed for 5 min after application. (They put silver in
RE: CScolloidal silver and mold
So wouldn't that mean you could use it in the pool in place of chemicals??? We use partial ozone, but ozone won't kill algae. Thoughts? wendy -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: October 3, 2005 10:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScolloidal silver and mold CS works great on some molds, but has been reported to not affect other ones. Mold is like algae, a single celled organism that forms branching colonies. Marshall Lea Ann wrote: Hello, CS only works with single cell organisms right? Is mold a single cell organism? I was wondering if I sprayed CS in my shower if it would prevent/clean up the mold? TIA(Thanks In Advance) Blessings,Lea Ann
Re: CSDistemper Raccoons
The homeopathic for rabies is named Lyssin (Hydrophobinum). It is a prescription only nosode and can only be obtained from a practitioner who is licensed to dispense/pruchase it. Practitioners and homeopathic MDs and vets can also have nosodes made specially by a homeopathic laboratory. I was told around a year ago that new rules had tightened the availability of some nosodes and Rx homeopathic medicines, so that even most practitioners who are not licensed MDs or vets will eventually not be able to obtain them (directly) from the homeopathic manufacturers/labs. I was told this by a homeopathic laboratory so probably true. HTH, sol deborah byron wrote: Connie--how great of you to do this for a wild animal. Just wanted to mention something about homeopathy--I know of a practitioner who says there's a nosode which can be put out in drinking water so that wildlife can be 'vaccinated' against rabies. Isn't that brilliant--I'll bet she'd have something similar for distemper. Let me know if you'd like contact info. Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
The information is in this back issue which you can purchase for $5.00 or if Trem has the back issue, maybe he can give it to us. Vol. 10, No. 2 (August 2003) Preparations for a Pandemic Don't Let These Toxins Get on Your Nerves Toll free: 1-888-887-8262 Kallie Miller www.4optimallife.com; 4optimall...@rogers.com 888-450-7793 Safe magnetic sleep pads, antioxidant, alkalizing water filters, zappers and rebounders - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: Re: CSAvian Flu In a message dated 10/2/05 2:02:35 PM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ Trem -- any way that you could provide this information for us? MA
Re: CSCongestive Heart Failure
God, that is just nuts. I have also heard of students being expelled for having a an aspirin or two, even if they didn't give any to anyone else. sol Marshall Dudley wrote: In our school system students are expelled if they are caught with any drugs (other than prescription drugs made out for that child), so be careful what you label it. We had one student that was expelled when another child was stung by a wasp, and was about to die because her wind pipe closed up. The teachers had nothing to help her, so a student with asthma gave her her breather and it cleared her windpipe saving her life. She was expelled for giving drugs to another student. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScolloidal silver and mold
Colloidal copper will, as my sparkling pool in the tropics attests - Original Message - From: Wendy To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: RE: CScolloidal silver and mold So wouldn't that mean you could use it in the pool in place of chemicals??? We use partial ozone, but ozone won't kill algae. Thoughts? wendy -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: October 3, 2005 10:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScolloidal silver and mold CS works great on some molds, but has been reported to not affect other ones. Mold is like algae, a single celled organism that forms branching colonies. Marshall Lea Ann wrote: Hello, CS only works with single cell organisms right? Is mold a single cell organism? I was wondering if I sprayed CS in my shower if it would prevent/clean up the mold? TIA(Thanks In Advance) Blessings,Lea Ann
Re: CSCS and vinegar and ascorbic acid
Does that make the ionic portion into Silver Citrate? sol Marshall Dudley wrote: I add citric acid to CS that I sell for mixing into other ingredients as a stabalizer. That hopefully keeps the ionic portion of it from combining with other ingredients and precipitating out. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAvian Flu
you can purchase archived reports. jim Trem wrote: Hi Lea Ann and MA, Sorry but I don't have that one. I'm sure I got it but at this point in time I don't have a clue where it is. Try googling Dr. David Williams and perhaps you'll be able to get the info. I hope this helps you, Best regards, Trem - Original Message - *From:* Lea Ann mailto:lsav...@cfl.rr.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2005 10:33 AM *Subject:* Re: CSAvian Flu Hello Trem, The following quote was near the end of the article by Dr. David Williams that you posted: *Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ * I think that MA wanted to know if you had this article: *Vol. 10, No. 2.\ * I was also had the same question as MA - hopefully Vol. 10, no.2 is online and easy to locate so it can jut be cut and pasted into an e-mail like the last article. Thanks for all you do! Lea Ann - Original Message - *From:* Trem mailto:t...@silvergen.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2005 12:14 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAvian Flu Hi MA, I'm not sure what you want. You didn't give me enough info to see what you're getting at. I posted an article by Dr. David Williams from his ALTERNATIVES newsletter. Try again and be more specific or email me offline and I'll get right back to you. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - *From:* marmar...@aol.com mailto:marmar...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2005 8:48 AM *Subject:* Re: CSAvian Flu *In a message dated 10/2/05 2:02:35 PM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com mailto:t...@silvergen.com writes: * Editor's note: For more on how to protect yourself against a pandemic, see Vol. 10, No. 2.\ * Trem -- any way that you could provide this information for us? MA* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and vinegar and ascorbic acid
Yes it does. Marshall sol wrote: Does that make the ionic portion into Silver Citrate? sol Marshall Dudley wrote: I add citric acid to CS that I sell for mixing into other ingredients as a stabalizer. That hopefully keeps the ionic portion of it from combining with other ingredients and precipitating out. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCongestive Heart Failure
Sorry to disagree, but Dr. Atkins was HOSPITALIZED earlier for the heart infection. I subsequently heard him interviewed several times, and he was completely fine from the infection. He then slipped on the ice and hit his head, and died of that trauma. Linda Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net wrote: This was in a nationally syndicated news article. It was written to confirm that he did die of heard disease, but the disease had nothing to do with his diet. It was a viral infectionanyway I did not mean to opean a dialog of how he died, I'm just interested if CS will do anything to cure CFG, since it is a viral infectionStill waiting for an answer... - Original Message - From: Dave To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: Re: CSCongestive Heart Failure HE DIED OF CRACKING HIS HEAD ON ICY CONCRETE where do these ideas come from? Charles Sutton wrote: I read that Dr. Atkins, of diet fame, died of CFG. The article stated that CFG was a viral infection of the heart. If true wouldn't CS(EIS) get to the root of this problem??
Re: CSlung problems from herbacides and cs causing yeast
I have wondered about that too. Time kill studies shown on www.silvermedicine.org show CS killing candida in about the same time period as it kills bacteria, and with similar efficiency. And I never had any trouble myself until I upped my daily intake to around a quart. Then I did start to have some yeast overgrowth symptoms. Makes you wonder if in a living body CS tends to be able to kill bacteria faster than it kills the candida, thus leading to some overgrowth, maybe if only temporarily? CS applied directly to the area experiencing the yeast symptoms stopped them nearly immediately, for me, so I do believe CS can and does kill the yeast just fine. Or maybe my own symptoms were from something else. Not totally certain. sol Betsy Coffey wrote: About the cs causing yeast infections, isnt CS supposed to kill yeast? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
Nothing like confusion. I not only forgot to change the subject header, but the first sentence I wrote may have led to people thinking my comments were part of the article. Sorry sol sol wrote: Here is the whole colloidal silver article from the newsletter (quoted under my comments/questions. Errr, I thought silver particles have no charge? Which is why they do not register on a conductance meter such as PWT, or TDS? Since CS kills anerobes as well as aerobic bacteria, the below info about smothering the bad guys gives the impression that CS cannot kill beneficial bacteria, which is simply untrue, and could be dangerous if people believe it. Could be particularly dangerous for rabbits, as if one gave a rabbit the dose of CS I give my cats (half their drinking water is CS) it would very likely kill the rabbit, just as oral penicillin, clindamycin, etc kill rabbits when given orally. Good thing it later says only put 1 tsp to 1 TBS in a pet's water! Another piece of mis-information states that CS circulates in the for a week or two??? Though a small study of one person, I thought the Altman study pretty much showed CS goes through in a day or two, not weeks? Also states silver accumulates in tissues in 3 or 4 daysI thought this was also not the case? If CS is indeed excreted as per the Atlman study isn't this also mis-information? Isn't the statement that CS forms no toxic compounds also wrong? Some silver compounds are toxic, I believe. Whether those form in the body, if only pure ionic/particulate CS is ingested is another issue. I am speaking of the statement as a flat statement that no silver compound is toxic at all. All in all I have to give this a big thumbs down. Too inaccurate, too sloppy, and could be dangerously misleading to someone who knows nothing about CS, and for a rabbit newsletter to publish something containing inaccuracies that could lead easily to rabbit deaths through careless oral use is just awful. Had the info been directed solely to humans, dogs, cats, I'd still have a lot of trouble with the inaccuracies as I see them. sol This is the article: How Does Colloidal Silver Work? The silver particles in colloidal silver contain a positive charge and are attracted to virus, fungi, bacterium and other single celled pathogens (disease causing organisms). When the silver particles attach themselves to these pathogens, they disable the pathogens' oxygen Metabolism enzyme. In other words, they suffocate and kill the bad guys. They don't have a chance to develop resistant strains. Once the bad guy is dead, the silver particle releases its' bond and searches for a new Pathogen to attach to. The dead pathogens are then cleared out of the body by the immune, lymphatic and elimination systems. Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics which destroy beneficial enzymes (good guys), colloidal silver leaves these tissue cell enzymes intact. This makes colloidal silver absolutely safe for humans, animals, reptiles, plants and all multi-celled living matter. Taken orally, colloidal silver is absorbed from the mouth into the bloodstream, then travels quickly to the body cells. For faster absorption, swish colloidal silver under your tongue for a few seconds, before swallowing. In 3 or 4 days the silver will have accumulated in the tissues enough for benefits to begin. after ingesting colloidal silver, it circulates in the body for about a week or two before being eliminated by the kidneys, lymph system and bowel. A regular daily intake of colloidal silver is recommended to protect the body against dangerous pathogens. Colloidal silver is painless on cuts, abrasions, burns, in open wounds in the nostrils for a stuffy nose, and even in a baby's eyes because, unlike antiseptics, it does not destroy tissue cells. It is impossible for single-celled organisms to mutate into silver -resistant forms, as happens with conventional antibiotics. Therefore, no tolerance to colloidal silver ever develops. Colloidal silver will not interact or interfere with other medications. Inside the body, silver forms no toxic compounds, nor reacts with anything other than a germ's oxygen metabolizing enzyme. Suggested dosages - all are adjustable. People infants 0-1 yr. 1/4 tsp. - 1/4 Tbs.. children 1-7 yrs 1/2 tsp. - 1/2 Tbs.. adults 7+ yrs. 1 tsp. - 1 Tbs. cuts and abrasions - After thorough cleaning, apply gauze soaked with colloidal silver. Re-soak or change dressing three times a day or as needed or just spray wound three to six times a day. Tooth care - put a few drops on your tooth brush every brushing without toothpaste and swish around in mouth for 30 sec. then spit out. External use - eczema, fungus, rashes, athletes foot, warts, arthritis, bursitis , acne, boils, etc. spray on affected area three times a day or as often as needed until clear or apply gauze soaked in colloidal silver until clear. Sinus Eye
Re: CSCongestive Heart Failure
Thanks Linda for setting the record straight--case closed!Pete
Re: CSCS and vinegar and ascorbic acid
This has probably been asked before, but since I can't go to the archives.isn't Silver Citrate considered one of the high argryia risk silver forms? sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Yes it does. Marshall sol wrote: Does that make the ionic portion into Silver Citrate? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOrthodontia question...
Gaps in women's teeth are considered very socially acceptable now, and you'd be amazed to see who sports them -- some of the most intelligent, articulate women in modern life. In fact, a woman's tooth gap is supposed to be a sign of intelligence (at least that's what my hyper-intelligent gap-toothed wife says). - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: CSOrthodontia question... Hi folks, I have the greatest of respect for you all and treasure you as a most valuable resource. I beg your indulgence for a personal question that is not particularly CS related: My 15 year old daughter needs braces. At least, she has a gap between her front teeth that needs closing. Of course we don't know what else the orthodontist will imagine needs doing until we go in there. roll eyes May I pick your brains for anything you'd care to share with me about this subject? Things to avoid and seek out? Hazards? Risks? Costs? Resources and information? Please educate me! Thank you, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and vinegar and ascorbic acid
If taken by itself, certainly, as is any silver compound that has a high solubility. It has two things that make it so when produced chemically. First it can be made in high concentrations, and second, there is no prophylactic colloidal component to prevent it. Of course when adding citric acid to EIS, neither of those are true. Marshall sol wrote: This has probably been asked before, but since I can't go to the archives.isn't Silver Citrate considered one of the high argryia risk silver forms? sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Yes it does. Marshall sol wrote: Does that make the ionic portion into Silver Citrate? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOrthodontia question...
These days most parents are suggested braces for at least one of their children. Unless there is an obvious and plausible reason to put them thru that period of having to wear braces (and you as a parent having to fork out a fortune), it is worth asking for a second opinion, perhaps even a third. My eldest daughter had real buck teeth due to thumb sucking as a child as well as carrying extra teeth behind the visible teeth which pushed the front teeth even more forward, there just wasn't enough room . She also became selfconscious about her appearance and started holding her hand over her mouth. There were obvious reasons to go ahead with braces for her. My youngest daughter had a gap between her front teeth... it was never suggested for her and guess what... the gap closed up when she grew older. Her little daughter, a spitting image in every way of her mum, is sporting a similar gap ... (The gap is actually giving a rather cheeky expression to her face and appearance as it did with my daughter). And I agree with William's wifelol... rather like that explanation. Hanneke ~ Australia
Re: CSOrthodontia question...
Hi, Mike, Oh, rats!! I wish I`d known that back when we first were on this list! She was young enough then... I have a huge diastema (gap) in my front teeth too, and guess what? It is hereditary! My dad had it, and all 4 of my kids did, too. Well, the kids all had what`s called a frenectomy done at age 8, after the front teeth had grown in, but just before the two teeth on either side had grown in. It was a cut in the muscle that runs above the top teeth.With the easing of the tension in that muscle, as the side teeth grew in, they forced the diastema closed. All 4 have perfect teeth now as adults. Sorry this knowledge is too late, but maybe it will help someone else. Too darn bad your dentist didn`t know about it. sigh... Marshalee PS, it is good to be back Hi folks, I have the greatest of respect for you all and treasure you as a most valuable resource. I beg your indulgence for a personal question that is not particularly CS related: My 15 year old daughter needs braces. At least, she has a gap between her front teeth that needs closing. Of course we don't know what else the orthodontist will imagine needs doing until we go in there. roll eyes May I pick your brains for anything you'd care to share with me about this subject? Things to avoid and seek out? Hazards? Risks? Costs? Resources and information? Please educate me! Thank you, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOrthodontia question...
Oh, I like that!!! Marshalee, the gappy PS, my gap was so big as a kid, I`d stick my pencil in it and have it hanging out, just to bug everyone in class. Hmm, I must be really smart! :o) Just think, all us gappies will never die from lockjaw starvation, as we can get a straw in there! heh heh heh Gaps in women's teeth are considered very socially acceptable now, and you'd be amazed to see who sports them -- some of the most intelligent, articulate women in modern life. In fact, a woman's tooth gap is supposed to be a sign of intelligence (at least that's what my hyper-intelligent gap-toothed wife says). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDistemper Raccoons
For our protection. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDistemper Raccoons The homeopathic for rabies is named Lyssin (Hydrophobinum). It is a prescription only nosode and can only be obtained from a practitioner who is licensed to dispense/pruchase it. Practitioners and homeopathic MDs and vets can also have nosodes made specially by a homeopathic laboratory. I was told around a year ago that new rules had tightened the availability of some nosodes and Rx homeopathic medicines, so that even most practitioners who are not licensed MDs or vets will eventually not be able to obtain them (directly) from the homeopathic manufacturers/labs. I was told this by a homeopathic laboratory so probably true. HTH, sol deborah byron wrote: Connie--how great of you to do this for a wild animal. Just wanted to mention something about homeopathy--I know of a practitioner who says there's a nosode which can be put out in drinking water so that wildlife can be 'vaccinated' against rabies. Isn't that brilliant--I'll bet she'd have something similar for distemper. Let me know if you'd like contact info. Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSodium Bicarb for starter
Yes, I do a crude volume/proportion calculation, deduct a small amount from that, dump it into the water, stir, measure , and bring it up minim at a time with an eyedropper to the desired conductivity; in this case, 4.5 PPM. My question is: how much silver am I loosing to the carbonate and what is the chemistry and metabolism of the silver carbonate in the body. Thanks to everyone who is responding. Jim -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:15 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter The trick to extreme dilution is to do it in multiple steps, not all at once. For instance, put a 1/8 teaspoon into 8 oz of water, then use an eye dropper to put one or two drops into another 8 oz of water. Then you can use a few drops from that second one to give you extremely low amounts of dilution, or if it is too dilute, go back and use a few drops from the first one. That will give you a repeatable dilution, after you find the correct number of drops, keep the second 8 oz for later. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: That small amount is about the same as, or more than, the small amount of silver being released. It's amazing how hard it is to not put too much bicarb in the water...the tiniest little fleck on the end of a toothpick in a quart of water raises the conductivity by 5 or 6 uS where current starts flowing stronger than you'd really want it to. Ode At 09:32 AM 9/30/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hello: Would the small amount of Silver Carbonate formed in this process be disadventageous in any way? Ian - Original Message - From: Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: CSSodium Bicarb for starter Hello: Is there anything to be really concerned about in adding Sodium Bicarb to Distilled water in small amounts, say to increase PPM to 5 before starting the electrolytic process for CS? I had been using 25% CS ( 1000 ml Starter plus 3000 ml Distilled) from the previous batches but have found that starting with 5 ppm Sodium Bicarb greatly speeds the process up and the CS that comes out is clear and tastes like good CS and it works. Ian -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/115 - Release Date: 9/29/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9 - Release Date: 9/29/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9 - Release Date: 9/30/2005
RE: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons
Have you ever had one in your kitchen for an hour or so? -Original Message- From: Teri Johnston [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 9:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSQuestion - Distemper Raccoons Connie, Bless you for caring for a wild raccoon. Try giving him high doses of Vit C also. If he develops diarrhea back the dosage back slightly until he has a normal stool. Give as much as you can on a daily basis. Good luck. I just love raccoons. Teri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/115 - Release Date: 9/29/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDistemper Raccoons
Oh, undoubtedly. sol Jim Holmes wrote: For our protection. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] I was told around a year ago that new rules had tightened the availability of some nosodes and Rx homeopathic medicines, so that even most practitioners who are not licensed MDs or vets will eventually not be able to obtain them (directly) from the homeopathic manufacturers/labs. I was told this by a homeopathic laboratory so probably true. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOf possible interest to the nano-techies
University of Arizona physicists have directly measured how close speeding atoms can come to a surface before the atoms' wavelengths change... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/09/050923154827.htm jr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/05 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOrthodontia question...
Hi Mike-- My concern is the type of metals used in these appliances as I worry about the chance of heavy metals getting into our kids' systems. (though I doubt most of us parents with children having this hardware in their mouths have much of a choice.) I haven't done much research into this, but I should, as my son will be getting braces in a year or so. (He has headgear and brackets at present.) I to find out what kind of metal is used, and if it is known to give off vapors, I would like the chance to choose an alternative, like I did with his fillings. They look at my like I've lost my mind, but I face that with X-ray and fluoride issues. Of course, anything not customary and ordinary insurance companies don't like to pay for. My contribution-- Theresa -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 5:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOrthodontia question... Hi folks, I have the greatest of respect for you all and treasure you as a most valuable resource. I beg your indulgence for a personal question that is not particularly CS related: My 15 year old daughter needs braces. At least, she has a gap between her front teeth that needs closing. Of course we don't know what else the orthodontist will imagine needs doing until we go in there. roll eyes May I pick your brains for anything you'd care to share with me about this subject? Things to avoid and seek out? Hazards? Risks? Costs? Resources and information? Please educate me! Thank you, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTrem..nebulizer.
Hi Trem...we were chatting about them being on e-bay and at Walgreens.deb
CSRe Bird Flu
Hello List , With all the interest in the risks associated with the Bird Flu . I have a PDF file of a book entitled : ' Beat the Bird Flu ' . If anyone would like a copy ? Please let me know , I will send one on to you . address your request to : metap...@senet.com.au Regards Margaret -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBird Flu File Link
Thanks Margaret, The link below should save you some work. Here is a link that should download the file. http://www.fugitt.com/files/BeattheBirdFluVirus_CAT212473.pdf Wayne = Hello List , With all the interest in the risks associated with the Bird Flu . I have a PDF file of a book entitled : ' Beat the Bird Flu ' . If anyone would like a copy ? Please let me know , I will send one on to you . address your request to : metap...@senet.com.au Regards Margaret = Here is a link that should download the file. http://www.fugitt.com/files/BeattheBirdFluVirus_CAT212473.pdf -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
