Re: CSRe: Colloidal minerals
On May 17, 2008, at 5:45 AM, Faith Gagne wrote: I've never heard of Humic Shale before. Fascinating. I guess you've been taking them for awhile. Now I want some too. I've never heard of Fo Ti either. Have you been taking that for very long? Thanks Nancy. Faith G. I don't remember how long, perhaps 5 years or more. Google it and you can read about it. It is a famous Chinese longevity herb. Beyond A Century sells it in a powder instead of a capsule and it is an extract so it is stronger, I don't know if that is a good thing or not. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPlanning Surgery--knee
On May 17, 2008, at 7:51 PM, bob Larson wrote: -Original Message- From: brick...@aol.com [mailto:brick...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:58 PM I have had bone on bone on my knee joints since 1966. My Dr said I would need a knee replacement in several years. I was babying them and decided to abuse them with exercise, even jogging 3 miles per day. Use it or loose it. They still act up and I take CMO which allows me to keep going. I have tried CMO two times. Surgery is still on hold. Brickey I had a knee injury which lasted for 9 months, it was always trying to heal until the next time I overtaxed it and the pain would return. But after I started doing the Budwig diet my knee started to get stronger and is almost normal again, as long as I don't do major things to strain it again. I tried CMO and also had really good benefits from a suggestion to take large doses of MSM, like a couple of tablespoons at once. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDistiller and Generator - from America or down the road?
That's good to know, Tony. I'll pass the info on to my friend in the UK; I don't think her family have managed to make her one yet, or that she has bought a commercial one. Rowena Hi Rowena, I flog my ColSilGen and its £39 delivered airmail from South Africa. That is battery operated so need for adapters, has automatic electronic Current Control and is very useful on rainwater. With full instructions and also a booklet on usages. OK, Tony Moody, PO Box 24, Hogsback 5721, Eastern Cape, South Africa Tel : 045 962 1131 Cellphone : 073 689 5742 email : a...@new.co.za It's incredible, isn't it, how hard the distilled water thing is over there. I know, I have been trying to help a friend in Sussex get set up, as you may recall. And when I found the generators on line in the UK, I thought they were a bit pricey (if 45 pounds post free is pricey, maybe I am just a scrooge). online holistic health shop and http://www.realmshift.talktalk.net/page5.html were two I turned up. The Silver Pulser is available from www.electronichealing.co.uk for £150 and two replacement wires £18.
Re: CSPlanning Surgery--knee
I took it for a while but didn't notice any difference. - Original Message - From: bob Larsonmailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:51 PM Subject: RE: CSPlanning Surgery--knee ...any thoughts on shark cartilage? -Original Message- From: brick...@aol.commailto:brick...@aol.com [mailto:brick...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:58 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPlanning Surgery--knee I have had bone on bone on my knee joints since 1966. My Dr said I would need a knee replacement in several years. I was babying them and decided to abuse them with exercise, even jogging 3 miles per day. Use it or loose it. They still act up and I take CMO which allows me to keep going. I have tried CMO two times. Surgery is still on hold. Brickey
RE: CSMedisana
Yes, this is what I got it for, but if you need to have it empty to store, wouldn't you have to sit quite a while in front of it to use even a couple of ounces. Mine lasted ages, and in the end, I emptied it myself. I think it was Dave said to leave it on in the room and have a couple of lung fulls in transit. I don't know, when *I* do anything, I always seem to make everything so complicated! Thanks for your input, I will hopefully get it right soon! DeePS another question, do you breathe in through your nose or mouth? When I breathed through my mouth, it made me cough, so I presume that is not the way to do it. Or is it? MTIA ---Original Message--- From: Carol Ann Date: 17/05/2008 22:08:21 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMedisana Hmm. Maybe we have different intentions re use. I bought it only to use or take as an inhaler for CS. Personally, I can't see how it could really effective in a large room. Perhaps it would be good for a small area that surrounds the individual - then again, I don't know how far the ionic mist would go into the air from the unit's base. It's those cool, concentrated close up lung fulls that I bought it for.
CSDistilled water
Hi all, I am getting a bit excited here as I think I may have found a distilled water supplier but just need a bit of info from among you knowledgeable folk out there! The company is called Aquwsafe and they say their DW is made using two Polar Bear distillers and it is tested using an HM digital TDS3 meter to make sure it has a TDS reading of 0ppm . Question: is this ok for making CS? If it is then I am on my way to making my own CS at last. Many thanks in advance. Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDistilled water
...if it's double-distilled and reads zero or close to it on a TDS meter, it should be fine for CS. -Original Message- From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:15 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDistilled water Hi all, I am getting a bit excited here as I think I may have found a distilled water supplier but just need a bit of info from among you knowledgeable folk out there! The company is called Aquwsafe and they say their DW is made using two Polar Bear distillers and it is tested using an HM digital TDS3 meter to make sure it has a TDS reading of 0ppm . Question: is this ok for making CS? If it is then I am on my way to making my own CS at last. Many thanks in advance. Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDistilled water
Thanks for that Bob. Dee ---Original Message--- From: bob Larson Date: 05/18/08 13:47:47 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSDistilled water ...if it's double-distilled and reads zero or close to it on a TDS meter, it should be fine for CS. -Original Message- From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:15 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDistilled water Hi all, I am getting a bit excited here as I think I may have found a distilled water supplier but just need a bit of info from among you knowledgeable folk out there! The company is called Aquwsafe and they say their DW is made using two Polar Bear distillers and it is tested using an HM digital TDS3 meter to make sure it has a TDS reading of 0ppm . Question: is this ok for making CS? If it is then I am on my way to making my own CS at last. Many thanks in advance. Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMedisana
I experienced no discomfort from inhaling through my mouth. I alternate
between mouth and nose so that the mist infiltrates lungs and sinus cavities.
There is nothing to get right. The process using the Medisana is quite simple.
The main difference between what you and I do (or concerns) seems to be the CS
issue itself. I make my own - you buy and surly I can understand your
concerns for exercising frugality with regard to the CS.
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Yes, this is what I got it for, but if you need to have it empty to store,
wouldn't you have to sit quite a while in front of it to use even a couple of
ounces. Mine lasted ages, and in the end, I emptied it myself. I think it was
Dave said to leave it on in the room and have a couple of lung fulls in
transit. I don't know, when *I* do anything, I always seem to make everything
so complicated! Thanks for your input, I will hopefully get it right soon!
DeePS another question, do you breathe in through your nose or mouth? When I
breathed through my mouth, it made me cough, so I presume that is not the way
to do it. Or is it? MTIA
---Original Message---
From: Carol Ann
Date: 17/05/2008 22:08:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSMedisana
Hmm. Maybe we have different intentions re use. I bought it only to use or
take as an inhaler for CS. Personally, I can't see how it could really
effective in a large room. Perhaps it would be good for a small area that
surrounds the individual - then again, I don't know how far the ionic mist
would go into the air from the unit's base. It's those cool, concentrated
close up lung fulls that I bought it for.
Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..
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RE: CSMedisana
That's odd. It probably shows I have lung issues though as this is the reason I bought the Medisana. I find it difficult to breathe deeply and don t have any 'puff'. I can't blow up ballons for one thing, and on that thing the doctors make you breathe into, I hardly get any reading at all. Hopefully, this will all be corrected as I persevere. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Carol Ann Date: 18/05/2008 15:48:35 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMedisana I experienced no discomfort from inhaling through my mouth. I alternate between mouth and nose so that the mist infiltrates lungs and sinus cavities.
CSSilver Puppy
Just a couple of questions for Ode. Does the Puppy basic kit have a stirrer and how do you tell what ppm you have? I believe the Mag 2 is not available other than for AC? Many thanks. Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDistilled water
I have been using a Polar Bear distiller for a number of years now and am satisfied with it.I have tried both ways,ie single distill and double distilling for CS making. I only use a ma meter and volt meter to track it and so far can not see much difference in either way;single or double distill. I also use DW for all my potable uses,drinking/cooking.etc.When I use it this was ,I treat it with Concentrace minerals to bring up the pH and replace the essentials minerals.The tap water here is very acidic except when treated heavily with Chlorine. The water I use for CS is drawn off and let sit for 24 hrs in pails to let the Chlorine dissipate before distilling. Harold - Original Message - From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:15 AM Subject: CSDistilled water Hi all, I am getting a bit excited here as I think I may have found a distilled water supplier but just need a bit of info from among you knowledgeable folk out there! The company is called Aquwsafe and they say their DW is made using two Polar Bear distillers and it is tested using an HM digital TDS3 meter to make sure it has a TDS reading of 0ppm . Question: is this ok for making CS? If it is then I am on my way to making my own CS at last. Many thanks in advance. Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDistilled water
Dee, what are the contact details of the company? While I was googling for the company you might mean, I also came across: http://www.meaningoflife.i12.com/shop-distilled-water-bottled.htm 20 pounds for 5 litres delivered. http://www.intentr.com/polarbearwater/distilledwater.htm Rowena Hi all, I am getting a bit excited here as I think I may have found a distilled water supplier but just need a bit of info from among you knowledgeable folk out there! The company is called Aquwsafe and they say their DW is made using two Polar Bear distillers and it is tested using an HM digital TDS3 meter to make sure it has a TDS reading of 0ppm . Question: is this ok for making CS? If it is then I am on my way to making my own CS at last. Many thanks in advance. Dee
Re: CSMedisana
Dee, you said, i don't suffer from headaches though or anything else that I can think of off hand, and am not allergic to anything and have a good memory. And now you say, I can't blow up ballons for one thing, and on that thing the doctors make you breathe into, I hardly get any reading at all. That's very serious as far as health. Makes me wonder if you're an optimistic type and not a worrier and that helps greatly in daily life. Let us know if your lung function improves, please. Pat - Original Message From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:07:48 AM Subject: RE: CSMedisana That's odd. It probably shows I have lung issues though as this is the reason I bought the Medisana. I find it difficult to breathe deeply and don't have any 'puff'. I can't blow up ballons for one thing, and on that thing the doctors make you breathe into, I hardly get any reading at all. Hopefully, this will all be corrected as I persevere. Dee
CSDeep breathing
I've been doing the deep breathing again, thanks for reminding me!... I feel more relaxed, .. Now all I have to do is get regular good sleep. Ha ya. Well , I can try. I have a 3 year old and babysit an 8 month old from 7:30 am to approx 8 PM some nights... Plus I go to college, homeschool my children that are at home still, and keep track of the rest of my 11 kids, grow a garden, and clean house... Sincerely Barb M. faint_grain.jpg
Re: CSPlanning Surgery--knee
It should be left in the sharks? sol bob Larson wrote: ...any thoughts on shark cartilage? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please
After reading the post regarding the cancer free newsletter post and reading comment regarding molecular silver I went and google molecular silver.. lots of people selling and reports how it was 1 millionth the size of our Colloidal Silver. Then one site reported their concern with the ration of silver to nitrates. So now that I'm thoroughly confused I turn to the group for a more informed search for input. Has anyone know of someone who has used it with great results? or, are you using it. Not sure how the nitrates play a part, or if this was negative information just thrown in. If it does what the positive input is saying that would be great... just not sure what to believe. any comments? connie _ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiflKGjYNhsJwISd1lIiQ1IQJs5c1syjAEGSzeR3ci9xPpFg0/?count=1234567890
Re: [SPAM] CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please
Connie, Most of us on the list are making EIS which is a nano size of silver how much smaller do you need??? I doubt you will get much feedback from people who have used Molecula Silver since we make our own with home made or commercial generators. For the few that buy C/S most likely they pick it up at the local HFC. Using the EIS we make with a SilverGen 7 we have been very pleased to report Hep C is now testing negative. I have used it to clean with, treat my dogs, my husband and myself for various illnesses. I'm always suspect when I see a sight that puts so much hipe about their product and compares it with others creating smokescreens. Teri -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please
Hi Connie: I don't want to be too harsh, but... Molecula silver appears to be just a silver nitrate. It tests at 250 PPM for nitrates, and has a PH level 1.64. Actual measureable silver content is less than 1 part per million. Watch out for any silver product with a low PH, because it will usually either be a silver citrate or silver nitrate, neither of which can be described honestly as being molecular, most of which ( but not Molecula ) can quickly cause argyria. Dennis Richard became so impressed with the Molecula Silver that he began selling it a few weeks ago. *nods as usual, umm humm* For anyone with a degenerative condition, certainly including cancer, it is best to take the Molecula Silver in tandem with the MMS. Dennis now offers a starter kit *ummm humm* Obviously, the molecula silver must not be very effective if one must use the MMS with it. Both of these substances need to be studied independently of each other. These guys need to stop confusing people. The makers claim that the silver has been reduced to a size so small that it can no longer be identified as silver. If this is true, then the silver must have been reduced using plasma or implosion technology and rendered it into pure energy. And if that were true, then one would need to use a crystal to act as a stabilizing transducer. This is not out of the realm of feasibility. However, the fact that their product is loaded with nitrates tells me that this isn't very likely. There are only a handful of people walking around that have the knowledge to do such scientific feats, and they aren't talking. AND IT IS DEFINATELY NOT nano-particle... Why? Because we can measure those, and they state that their silver is in a non-measurable form. So which is it? Magically small silver particles existing in a quantum state, or nano-crystals? It can't be both. It's most likely just a homeopathic form of silver nitrate. The big problem I have with groups such as the ones quoted, is that they are very quick to jump on the latest bandwagon ( and of course start selling it ). You really need to study silver for years before claiming any type of authority on it. And you ha better know what a nano-crystal is before talking about it. But, using Molecula silver won't hurt you, provided you like to consume nitrates for no reason. You have to watch out for the marketing placebo effect, which seems to be even more powerful than the standard placebo effect. The product is illegally labeled, as well. With that kind of lack of integrity? Well, not the kind of folks I like to hang around with. ( look at all of the cure claims which resulted from the viral marketing of Sea Silver... it took a long time for that rollercoaster to crash ) Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: craehow...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please After reading the post regarding the cancer free newsletter post and reading comment regarding molecular silver I went and google molecular silver.. lots of people selling and reports how it was 1 millionth the size of our Colloidal Silver. Then one site reported their concern with the ration of silver to nitrates. So now that I'm thoroughly confused I turn to the group for a more informed search for input. Has anyone know of someone who has used it with great results? or, are you using it. Not sure how the nitrates play a part, or if this was negative information just thrown in. If it does what the positive input is saying that would be great... just not sure what to believe. any comments? connie _ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online.
Re: CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please
You will doubtless find many pseudo scientific claims. The source of which will be people with an underdeveloped conscience out for a quick buck. Here is a legitimate source of general information about colloidal silver: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/6918...linicalSummary Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: craehow...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please After reading the post regarding the cancer free newsletter post and reading comment regarding molecular silver I went and google molecular silver.. lots of people selling and reports how it was 1 millionth the size of our Colloidal Silver. Then one site reported their concern with the ration of silver to nitrates. So now that I'm thoroughly confused I turn to the group for a more informed search for input. Has anyone know of someone who has used it with great results? or, are you using it. Not sure how the nitrates play a part, or if this was negative information just thrown in. If it does what the positive input is saying that would be great... just not sure what to believe. any comments? connie _ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online.
Re: CSDeep breathing
Good for you! You have a bag full of chores adn things to do. I also do it when I can't sleep. In...out...in...out...ZZZ Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California aera...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: B Magnatta To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: CSDeep breathing I've been doing the deep breathing again, thanks for reminding me!... I feel more relaxed, .. Now all I have to do is get regular good sleep. Ha ya. Well , I can try. I have a 3 year old and babysit an 8 month old from 7:30 am to approx 8 PM some nights... Plus I go to college, homeschool my children that are at home still, and keep track of the rest of my 11 kids, grow a garden, and clean house... . Sincerely Barb M. faint_grain.jpg
Re: CSMedisana
But this doesn't affect every day life you see, which is why I said that I don't have any ailments as such. I just don't seem to have a lot of breath, but that doesn't mean that I'm *out* of breath at all. I know it sounds weird but I've always been like this. I don't cough or anything either, normally. But I will let you know how I get on. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Pat Date: 18/05/2008 18:37:47 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMedisana Dee, you said, i don't suffer from headaches though or anything else that I can think of off hand, and am not allergic to anything and have a good memory. And now you say, I can't blow up ballons for one thing, and on that thing the doctors make you breathe into, I hardly get any reading at all. That's very serious as far as health. Makes me wonder if you're an optimistic type and not a worrier and that helps greatly in daily life. Let us know if your lung function improves, please. Pat
CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug. top Literature Summary and Critique No human studies have been conducted to test the medicinal effects of colloidal silver. There are a few case reports on its toxicity. McKenna JK, et al Argyria associated with colloidal silver supplementation. Int J Dermatol 2003; 42(7):549. A 65-year old male developed skin discoloration but had no other symptoms. He had consumed colloidal silver supplements for two years for treatment of diabetes. The discoloration was limited to fingernails but could not be treated by depigmenting creams or chelation. The patient was advised to use sunscreens to prevent further pigmentary changes. Gulbranson SH, Hud JA, Hansen RC. Argyria
Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
Please note that they are talking about Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, which relate to the original post concerning the lastest form of snake oil, not what we make here. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug. top Literature Summary and Critique No human studies have been conducted to test the medicinal effects of colloidal silver. There are a few case reports on its toxicity. McKenna JK, et al Argyria associated with colloidal silver supplementation. Int J Dermatol 2003; 42(7):549. A 65-year old male developed skin discoloration but had no other symptoms. He had consumed colloidal silver supplements for two years for treatment
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And what would anyone expect from a mainline medical establishment? The key to this statement is: Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Of course there is no clinical data, what Big Pharma company would spend the money to do clinical studies when they could not patent the product and make money off of it? This says nothing about the effectiveness of CS. No one on this list wants to spend the money to collect clinical data, so there is no data. The FDA is a branch of Big Pharma, so they are not going to say anything good about CS. And the examples tell nothing about what the CS product was that they site. The information from this list is much more valuable. Gene At 06:13 PM 5/18/2008, you wrote: The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug.
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I guess my reaction is typically me. Does it really matter if the effectiveness is broadly excepted? Silver kill bacteria. Case Closed. Molecular? Isn't everything? It isn't magnetic. That changes everything. i guess I feel no evangelistic tendency towards the usage of anything unless it is threatened by a law that changes access and usage rights. I'd like to see as much research as possible. I am not threatened by spin. Everything goes into the information pot. =z= --- Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug. top
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Gene writes, Of course there is no clinical data, what Big Pharma company would spend the money to do clinical studies when they could not patent the product and make money off of it? This says nothing about the effectiveness of CS. No one on this list wants to spend the money to collect clinical data, so there is no data. There is simply no mechanism to support the expense of a thorough investigation into the effectiveness or lack thereof as a method of dealing with various bacteria, viruses or fungi. It is extremely easy for anyone to make colloidal silver, which is eighty percent Ionic and fifteen to twenty percent particulate. It is also a fact that it does not lend itself to shipment and storage after being made. The particles are held in suspension by Brownian motion and the Ionic portion exists in solution due to a mutually repulsive electrical charge of individual atoms. Vibration or external stimulus including photons tends to cause these particles to agglomerate and fall out of solution. All that being said, it is still a very useful product. We will probably never know precisely why it works as it does as there is simply no money in it. And money, after all, is what makes the world go round. And what would anyone expect from a mainline medical establishment? If you are ever so unfortunate as to have a serious illness that chug-a lugging CS doesn't fix, you might be grateful they exist. The FDA is a branch of Big Pharma If this were true I doubt that our toddlers would now be chewing on lead painted toys from China. The information from this list is much more valuable. We can certainly agree on that. One of the most useful functions of the list is the de-bunking of items such as Molecula Silver, that is supposed to be smaller than a single atom, LOL. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Gene Wolfe To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please And what would anyone expect from a mainline medical establishment? The key to this statement is: Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Of course there is no clinical data, what Big Pharma company would spend the money to do clinical studies when they could not patent the product and make money off of it? This says nothing about the effectiveness of CS. No one on this list wants to spend the money to collect clinical data, so there is no data. The FDA is a branch of Big Pharma, so they are not going to say anything good about CS. And the examples tell nothing about what the CS product was that they site. The information from this list is much more valuable. Gene At 06:13 PM 5/18/2008, you wrote: The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat
