Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Ole Alstrup]

It is interesting to note in this connection that pure calcined powder of 
silver - Rajat Bhasma - purified through elaborate alchemical procedures of 
structural modification and chelation- has been used in Indian Ayurvedic 
medicine for many hundreds of years to improve functional capacity of brain 
function.  






From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 21 January, 2010 22:31:00
Subject: RE: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

Below is an old post that might be of interest.
- Steve N
- 
- -Original Message-
From: Steven Foss [mailto:foss_ste...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>RE: Silver non-neurotoxicity.
- 
- Hi Silver List,
- 
- Re Silver and non-neurotoxicity:
- 
- Below is an abstract of an vitro (test-tube) trial in which Colloidal Silver 
showed protective against the type of free radical damage (Reactive Oxygen 
Species) caused by chemotherapy and observed in some forms of 
neuro-degenerative illnesses. 
- 
- The Brain Cells cultured where Astrocytes. Astrocytes are star-shaped glial 
cells in the brain and spinal cord. They perform many functions, including 
biochemical support of endothelial cells which form the blood-brain barrier, 
the provision of nutrients to the nervous tissue (neurons), and a principal 
role in the repair and scarring process in the brain 
- 
- The study show:
- 
- 
- Colloidal Silver was non-toxic to Astrocytes and showed Anti-oxidant 
properties.
- 
- Colloidal Silver did not protect against H2O2 free radical damage, which in 
my opinion is a positive finding, Colloidal Silver does not interfere H2O2 
which is used by the Immune System.
- 
- From the Abstract available online at Pubmed.com
- 
- 
- Central Research Institute, Natural F&P Co., LTD, 
- Chunchon, South Korea. drki...@hanmail.net
- 
- One major pathogenesis in degenerative disorders of the 
- central nervous system (CNS), including Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's 
- disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, and ischemia, is the oxidative stress 
- induced by reactive oxygen species (ROS). The present study investigated the 
- protective effect of colloidal silver, which is widely marketed as a dietary 
- supplement for diseases like diabetes, AIDS, cancer, and various infections, 
- upon the oxidative brain damage induced by H(2)O(2) or naphthazarin 
treatment. 
- LDH release from primary cultured astrocytes was enhanced by naphthazarin 
- treatment, and this elevation of the LDH concentration in medium was blocked 
by 
- colloidal silver treatment. However, hydrogen peroxide was little affected by 
- the colloidal silver. Fluorescence of DCF (peroxides) increased in astrocytes 
- incubated with hydrogen peroxide or naphthazarin compared to the control. 
When 
- exposed to naphthazarin-induced cells, ROS formation appeared to be reduced 
by 
- colloidal silver. However, intracellular ROS formation in hydrogen 
- peroxide-treated cells slightly reduced by colloidal silver. These results 
- suggest that colloidal silver has a protective activity against the oxidative 
- stress induced by naphthazarin, but not by hydrogen peroxide.
- 
- 
- Kim DW, Hong GH, Lee HH, Choi SH, Chun BG, Won CK, Hwang IK, Won MH.
- 
- Effect of colloidal silver against the cytotoxicity of hydrogen peroxide and 
naphthazarin on primary cultured cortical astrocytes.
- 
- Int J Neurosci. 2007 Mar;117(3):387-400.
- 
- Best Regards,
- 
- Steve Foss
- 


From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:52 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

There's an article called "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
 

 
Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they talking 
about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?

Nenah
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com 


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CS>Silver.. a nerve cell toxicant or cell protector?

[Alchemysa]

It always gets me how these taxpayer funded researchers can find  
potential problems associated with drinking colloidal silver but they  
never seem to research the potential benefits.


Also theres a double standard here. LAB tests proving the germ  
killing properties of colloidal silver are not accepted as proof by  
the likes of the FDA that CS is effective in real life.  Yet this lab  
test will no doubt become gospel that CS is dangerous to humans in  
real life.


I havent read the entire paper (and probably wouldnt entirely  
understand it anyway) but the abstract makes this interesting  
observation concerning low doses of silver...


"However, in differentiating cells, the lower concentration produced  
an entirely different pattern, enhancing cell numbers by suppressing  
ongoing cell death and impairing differentiation in parallel for both  
neurotransmitter phenotypes."


Does this mean that low doses of CS would actually improve  
neurodevelopment?



David







_ 
_

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:18:06 PM
Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee

On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:


There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is- 
potent-neurotoxicant/



Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they
talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com



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Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

[martsmail53]

Well now I have to mail bottles to relative so she can get better. Thanks  
for your input.  Marty
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:50:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

I see.  Well, if you're using fresh 5-ppm CS every day when you do  this, 
then I suspect you'll still see good results.  Let us know how  things go for 
you, will you?
MA


 

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com"  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 3:47:20  PM
Subject: Re:  CS>periodontal infected gum disease

No, my machine shuts off at 5ppm
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 3:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

Probably..  I'm not anal about my ppm-level, and whatever I use  works.  I 
usually produce around 10 ppms, but the ppm-level has a  tendency to drop 
off a bit over time.  So -- newly made CS would be  higher, CS a week or so 
old would be lower.  Just curious -- can't you  make a higher ppm?
MA 


 

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com"  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:48:21  PM
Subject: Re:  CS>periodontal infected gum disease

What ppm? Will 5 ppm do the trick? Thanks marty
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 2:42:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

Use CS in a waterpik -- it'll kill that disease pronto!
MA


 

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com"  
To:  silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:38:27  PM
Subject:  CS>periodontal infected gum disease

I hate to ask another question for someone else.But,  I have a  relative 
suffering from periodontal gum disease. Any recommendations on  use of CS for 
her. Thanks  Marty

RE: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Renee]

Yes!!!  I thought it was you but wasn't sure. :-)

Ok--so, I wanted to ask you--how do I use this special CS?

Just use a drop or two of it in a glass of water?  Or the cat's water dish? 
Or would an adult just put a few drops on their tongue?  Or is it always
diluted?

And how was it used for parvo?  I know they give CS orally and rectally for
parvo.  Is this used this way?

The bottle came while I was gone for that 2 months and so when I got back I had 
forgot to ask about it.  

Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

[MaryAnn Helland]

I see.  Well, if you're using fresh 5-ppm CS every day when you do this, then I 
suspect you'll still see good results.  Let us know how things go for you, will 
you?
MA





From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 3:47:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

No, my machine shuts off at 5ppm

In a message dated 1/21/2010 3:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:
Probably.  I'm not anal about my ppm-level, and whatever I use works.  I 
usually produce around 10 ppms, but the ppm-level has a tendency to drop off a 
bit over time.  So -- newly made CS would be higher, CS a week or so old would 
be lower.  Just curious -- can't you make a higher ppm?
>MA 
>
>
>
>

From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:48:21 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease
>
>What ppm? Will 5 ppm do the trick? Thanks marty
>
>In a message dated 1/21/2010 2:42:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
>marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:
>Use CS in a waterpik -- it'll kill that disease pronto!
>>MA
>>
>>
>>
>>

From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:38:27 PM
>>Subject: CS>periodontal infected gum disease
>>
>>I hate to ask another question for someone else.But,  I have a relative 
>>suffering from periodontal gum disease. Any recommendations on use of CS for 
>>her. Thanks Marty

Re: CS>Just a test... please ignore.

[M. Devour]

Now I want to exercise some of the rich text formatting possible with the
gmail message editor.

[?] << an emoticon

*Some fancy text.*

Back to normal text...

Now to see what, if anything, survives the list server...

Thank you. Please ignore.

Mike D.
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RE: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Norton, Steve]

I sent you some 400 ppm silver citrate at the time I had used it for
curing a case of parvo. Is that what you are referring to?

-  Steve N

 

From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

 

Hey, thanks.  I tried to give my CS in water before to the cats and they
ALL hated it.  Lol  But now I think I'll just start with a little tiny
bit and see what happens.  

 

Are you the one that sent me a bottle of super high ppm CS, special made
with a special machine?  I'm trying to remember who sent it, because
there was no label on the bottle with the sender's name.  

 

Samala,

Renee



 

Re: CS>Just a test... please ignore.

[M. Devour]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Why do your messages show up in my Gmail as being "starred?"
>
> Dan

Because I'm special? I really have no idea, Dan. I just posted those
from my usual mail account using my usual mail settings in Pegasus
Mail.

Mike D.

(Posting from the gmail account I'm using for some testing... Please
don't send me mail here as I don't use it very often.)


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Re: CS>Words of advice about ....

[Don Barnes]

Jason, I did find some interesting information on C1 misaligning and what is
being done about this namely the work of NUCCA National Upper Cervical
Chiropractic Association .

Thank you for the word of caution, I can always use it. What chemtrail site
do you like?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jason  wrote:

> I would be very careful what advice you try doing from this list.I would
> take everything with a grain of salt.I have seen wackos post in here, and
> noone dispute what they were saying! The moderater did eventually ban them,
> but someone could of been very messed up from there postings in the mean
> time.
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Re: CS>Just a test... please ignore.

[Dan Nave]

Mike,

Why do your messages show up in my Gmail as being "starred?"

Dan


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RE: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Renee]

Hey, thanks.  I tried to give my CS in water before to the cats and they ALL
hated it.  Lol  But now I think I'll just start with a little tiny bit and
see what happens.  

Are you the one that sent me a bottle of super high ppm CS, special made
with a special machine?  I'm trying to remember who sent it, because there
was no label on the bottle with the sender's name.  

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
From: Norton, Steve
Date: 1/21/2010 3:33:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
 
Below is an old post that might be of interest.
- Steve N
-
- -Original Message-
From: Steven Foss [mailto:foss_ste...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>RE: Silver non-neurotoxicity.
-
- Hi Silver List,
-
- Re Silver and non-neurotoxicity:
-
- Below is an abstract of an vitro (test-tube) trial in which Colloidal
Silver showed protective against the type of free radical damage (Reactive
Oxygen Species) caused by chemotherapy and observed in some forms of
neuro-degenerative illnesses.
-
- The Brain Cells cultured where Astrocytes. Astrocytes are star-shaped
glial cells in the brain and spinal cord. They perform many functions,
including biochemical support of endothelial cells which form the
blood-brain barrier, the provision of nutrients to the nervous tissue
(neurons), and a principal role in the repair and scarring process in the
brain
-
- The study show:
-
-
- Colloidal Silver was non-toxic to Astrocytes and showed Anti-oxidant
properties.
-
- Colloidal Silver did not protect against H2O2 free radical damage, which
in my opinion is a positive finding, Colloidal Silver does not interfere
H2O2 which is used by the Immune System.
-
- From the Abstract available online at Pubmed.com
-
-
- Central Research Institute, Natural F&P Co., LTD,
- Chunchon, South Korea. drki...@hanmail.net
-
- One major pathogenesis in degenerative disorders of the
- central nervous system (CNS), including Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's
- disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, and ischemia, is the oxidative
stress
- induced by reactive oxygen species (ROS). The present study investigated
the
- protective effect of colloidal silver, which is widely marketed as a
dietary
- supplement for diseases like diabetes, AIDS, cancer, and various
infections,
- upon the oxidative brain damage induced by H(2)O(2) or naphthazarin
treatment.
- LDH release from primary cultured astrocytes was enhanced by naphthazarin
- treatment, and this elevation of the LDH concentration in medium was
blocked by
- colloidal silver treatment. However, hydrogen peroxide was little affected
by
- the colloidal silver. Fluorescence of DCF (peroxides) increased in
astrocytes
- incubated with hydrogen peroxide or naphthazarin compared to the control.
When
- exposed to naphthazarin-induced cells, ROS formation appeared to be
reduced by
- colloidal silver. However, intracellular ROS formation in hydrogen
- peroxide-treated cells slightly reduced by colloidal silver. These results
- suggest that colloidal silver has a protective activity against the
oxidative
- stress induced by naphthazarin, but not by hydrogen peroxide.
-
-
- Kim DW, Hong GH, Lee HH, Choi SH, Chun BG, Won CK, Hwang IK, Won MH.
-
- Effect of colloidal silver against the cytotoxicity of hydrogen peroxide
and naphthazarin on primary cultured cortical astrocytes.
-
- Int J Neurosci. 2007 Mar;117(3):387-400.
-
- Best Regards,
-
- Steve Foss
-
 
 
From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:52 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
 
There's an article called "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
 
http://www.environmentalhealthnews
org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
 
 
Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they talking
about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
 
Nenah
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com
 
 
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Re: CS>Just a test... please ignore.

[M. G. Devour]

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Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[M. G. Devour]

martsmail53 asks:
> Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by  the
> Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it  ?

I believe martsmail has gotten decent answers from Nenah and Heidrun, 
and so may already have as much as the group has to offer.

So long as the comments relate directly to the program in question, 
then I believe it is okay to discuss. Any remarks, pro or con, related 
to scientology are pretty soundly off topic for the thread and almost 
certainly prohibited by the rules, along with all other discussions of 
religion and politics.

I'll leave it to the original poster to guard him or herself from any 
undue influences or other baggage that might accompany the therapy as 
delivered by the administering clinic.

Thank you, all.

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

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Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

[martsmail53]

No, my machine shuts off at 5ppm
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 3:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

Probably.  I'm not anal about my ppm-level, and whatever I use  works.  I 
usually produce around 10 ppms, but the ppm-level has a  tendency to drop off 
a bit over time.  So -- newly made CS would be  higher, CS a week or so old 
would be lower.  Just curious -- can't you  make a higher ppm?
MA 


 

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com"  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:48:21  PM
Subject: Re:  CS>periodontal infected gum disease

What ppm? Will 5 ppm do the trick? Thanks marty
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 2:42:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

Use CS in a waterpik -- it'll kill that disease pronto!
MA


 

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com"  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:38:27  PM
Subject:  CS>periodontal infected gum disease

I hate to ask another question for someone else.But,  I have a  relative 
suffering from periodontal gum disease. Any recommendations on use  of CS for 
her. Thanks  Marty

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Marshall Dudley]

Radius of silver:

atom - 1.44 angstroms
+1 ion - 1.28 angstroms

Marshall

Richard Goodwin wrote:
Heh...  Right you are, unless you want to talk about electrons, 
protons, neutrons, quarks, ... :-)


One silver ion = one silver atom minus one electron, yes?



*From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 2:18:06 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee

On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:


There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
 
http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
 
 
Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they 
talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
 
Nenah
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com 
 





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RE: CS>How to make silver citrate

[Norton, Steve]

Richard,

Marshall has already provided some excellent information. I do make and
use silver citrate. I think it has a place but I also believe that EIS
does as well. I think that EIS is best in some applications and that
silver citrate has benefits in others. Remember that what you read on
web sites is biased towards the sellers products and the information may
not be accurate. I do not think that one can state that in general that
EIS or silver citrate is better than the other but maybe in certain uses
one is better than the other. Below are some repeats of information I
have posted below on silver citrate. They may be of help.

- Steve N

___

I know of three versions of silver citrate on the market. One is called
Sliver 100 and is made by Opti-Silver:
http://www.silver100.com/productinfo.pdf

 It is made using silver oxide as the ionic silver source. The silver
oxide is mixed with citric acid and tripotassium citrate to create SC.
According to the manufacturer: "While the patent covers a broad range of
substances, the company has chosen to use citrate as the complexing
agent, and potassium as the counter-ion for maximum stability" While I
don't make this version, I would guess that you could add tripotassium
citrate to standard SC if you are interested in potassium as the
counter-ion. A patent related to the product is at: 

http://www.silver100.com/USPatent.PDF




 A second silver citrate supplier is Pure Bioscience who sells SC for
both internal use and as a disinfectant under the Biocide and Axenohl
labels. They sell the SC in concentrations of up to 2400 ppm. I have
seen other SC sellers that appear to buy the concentrate, dilute it to
20 ppm and sell it under their private label. Pure Bioscience refers to
their SC as silver dihydrogen citrate, but it is simply SC made same the
same way as EIS but using a citric acid solution instead of distilled
water. Here is an article regarding their disinfectant spray:

http://cr.pennnet.com/display_article/310415/15/ARCHI/none/TOPST/1/MRSA-
infection-eradicated-for-14-months-With-SDC-disinfectant-in-Tulsa-County
-Jail/

RE: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Norton, Steve]

Below is an old post that might be of interest.
- Steve N
- 
- -Original Message-
From: Steven Foss [mailto:foss_ste...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>RE: Silver non-neurotoxicity.
- 
- Hi Silver List,
- 
- Re Silver and non-neurotoxicity:
- 
- Below is an abstract of an vitro (test-tube) trial in which Colloidal Silver 
showed protective against the type of free radical damage (Reactive Oxygen 
Species) caused by chemotherapy and observed in some forms of 
neuro-degenerative illnesses. 
- 
- The Brain Cells cultured where Astrocytes. Astrocytes are star-shaped glial 
cells in the brain and spinal cord. They perform many functions, including 
biochemical support of endothelial cells which form the blood-brain barrier, 
the provision of nutrients to the nervous tissue (neurons), and a principal 
role in the repair and scarring process in the brain 
- 
- The study show:
- 
- 
- Colloidal Silver was non-toxic to Astrocytes and showed Anti-oxidant 
properties.
- 
- Colloidal Silver did not protect against H2O2 free radical damage, which in 
my opinion is a positive finding, Colloidal Silver does not interfere H2O2 
which is used by the Immune System.
- 
- From the Abstract available online at Pubmed.com
- 
- 
- Central Research Institute, Natural F&P Co., LTD, 
- Chunchon, South Korea. drki...@hanmail.net
- 
- One major pathogenesis in degenerative disorders of the 
- central nervous system (CNS), including Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's 
- disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, and ischemia, is the oxidative stress 
- induced by reactive oxygen species (ROS). The present study investigated the 
- protective effect of colloidal silver, which is widely marketed as a dietary 
- supplement for diseases like diabetes, AIDS, cancer, and various infections, 
- upon the oxidative brain damage induced by H(2)O(2) or naphthazarin 
treatment. 
- LDH release from primary cultured astrocytes was enhanced by naphthazarin 
- treatment, and this elevation of the LDH concentration in medium was blocked 
by 
- colloidal silver treatment. However, hydrogen peroxide was little affected by 
- the colloidal silver. Fluorescence of DCF (peroxides) increased in astrocytes 
- incubated with hydrogen peroxide or naphthazarin compared to the control. 
When 
- exposed to naphthazarin-induced cells, ROS formation appeared to be reduced 
by 
- colloidal silver. However, intracellular ROS formation in hydrogen 
- peroxide-treated cells slightly reduced by colloidal silver. These results 
- suggest that colloidal silver has a protective activity against the oxidative 
- stress induced by naphthazarin, but not by hydrogen peroxide.
- 
- 
- Kim DW, Hong GH, Lee HH, Choi SH, Chun BG, Won CK, Hwang IK, Won MH.
- 
- Effect of colloidal silver against the cytotoxicity of hydrogen peroxide and 
naphthazarin on primary cultured cortical astrocytes.
- 
- Int J Neurosci. 2007 Mar;117(3):387-400.
- 
- Best Regards,
- 
- Steve Foss
- 


From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:52 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

There's an article called "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
 

 
Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they talking 
about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?

Nenah
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com 


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CS>Just a test... please ignore.

[M. G. Devour]

Just testing... needed a post to be sent out.

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Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

[cking001]

Circular reasoning... low ppm ... just use EIS.

Chuck
Auntie Em:
 Hate you, Hate Kansas. Taking the dog.
 Dorothy

On 1/21/2010 3:39:51 PM, Richard Goodwin (dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com)
wrote:
> I read more about the Water Oz case and other argyria cases here:
> 
> http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria-cases.html
> 
> Sounds like it might be ok to use it at reasonably low ppm if you feel a
> cold or something coming on, and to use it for topical things, deodorant,
> hot tubs, etc. in more concentrated form, but not overdo it like by
> drinking 400 ppm daily in large quantities.
> 
> Since it is supposed to be very effective, it ought to work at very low
> ppm, I would think.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> From: Marshall Dudley 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:52:59 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>How to make silver citrate
> 
> I personally would not consume silver citrate. That is what Water Oz is,
> and it is known when taken with no colloidal component to cause argyria in
> some people. Chemically it could be diluted to whatever concentration you
> want as can almost any water soluble compound.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Richard Goodwin wrote:
> > Awesome!
> >
> >
> What's a reasonable concentration to consume?
> > I assume you can make it


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Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

[MaryAnn Helland]

Probably.  I'm not anal about my ppm-level, and whatever I use works.  I 
usually produce around 10 ppms, but the ppm-level has a tendency to drop off a 
bit over time.  So -- newly made CS would be higher, CS a week or so old would 
be lower.  Just curious -- can't you make a higher ppm?
MA 





From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:48:21 PM
Subject: Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

What ppm? Will 5 ppm do the trick? Thanks marty

In a message dated 1/21/2010 2:42:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:
Use CS in a waterpik -- it'll kill that disease pronto!
>MA
>
>
>
>

From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:38:27 PM
>Subject: CS>periodontal infected gum disease
>
>I hate to ask another question for someone else.But,  I have a relative 
>suffering from periodontal gum disease. Any recommendations on use of CS for 
>her. Thanks Marty

Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

[cking001]

CS is effective.
Brush with it, and swish with it.

Chuck
Baby Philosophy - If it stinks, change it.

On 1/21/2010 3:38:27 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote:
> I hate to ask another question for someone else.But,  I have a relative
> suffering from periodontal gum disease. Any recommendations on use of CS
> for her. Thanks Marty


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Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

[martsmail53]

What ppm? Will 5 ppm do the trick? Thanks marty
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 2:42:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

Use CS in a waterpik -- it'll kill that disease pronto!
MA


 

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com"  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:38:27  PM
Subject: CS>periodontal  infected gum disease

I hate to ask another question for someone else.But,  I have a  relative 
suffering from periodontal gum disease. Any recommendations on use of  CS for 
her. Thanks  Marty

Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Clayton Family]

I don't know what the Hubbard protocols are, but you can look up detox 
protocols. Some of the main points are sauna- that gets the toxins out in the 
sweat, so it does not have to be processed by the liver; some type of binder 
for the intestines, such as activated charcoal, which binds the toxins so they 
are not reabsorbed and are excreted. Some use enemas, which have the benefit of 
emptying the colon and gets rid of the toxins that way. 

Some people have fungal infections from it, so it may be that antifungals are 
in order.

I did mine at home, it took longer but I could control the intensity of the 
process better.

Kathryn
On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:15 AM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote:

> That is what I suffer from mold toxicity. I would like as much information 
> you can give .I live 200 miles from nearest Scientology Clinic. Commitment 
> for a mold program is 3 to 8 weeks, which I can't afford. My body has tremors 
> I can feel at night and during the day if I hold still. I know this is not 
> normal. I have a great doctor who has encourage me to use CS, I am sure he 
> will help with the rest if he knew the protocals. Thanks Marty
>  
> In a message dated 1/21/2010 10:51:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
> clay...@skypoint.com writes:
> I have not personally tried it, but I do know some who have done a doctor 
> monitored version, and were successful in detoxing toxic mold. I have heard 
> various other reports of the validity of the therapy as well.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:16 AM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by the 
>> Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it ?
> 

Re: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

[MaryAnn Helland]

Use CS in a waterpik -- it'll kill that disease pronto!
MA





From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:38:27 PM
Subject: CS>periodontal infected gum disease

I hate to ask another question for someone else.But,  I have a relative 
suffering from periodontal gum disease. Any recommendations on use of CS for 
her. Thanks Marty

Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

[Richard Goodwin]

I read more about the Water Oz case and other argyria cases here:

http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria-cases.html

Sounds like it might be ok to use it at reasonably low ppm if you feel a cold 
or something coming on, and to use it for topical things, deodorant, hot tubs, 
etc. in more concentrated form, but not overdo it like by drinking  400 ppm 
daily in large quantities.

Since it is supposed to be very effective, it ought to work at very low ppm, I 
would think.

What do you think?






From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:52:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>How to make silver  citrate

I personally would not consume silver citrate. That is what Water Oz is, and it 
is known when taken with no colloidal component to cause argyria in some 
people. Chemically it could be diluted to whatever concentration you want as 
can almost any water soluble compound.

Marshall

Richard Goodwin wrote:
> Awesome!
> 
> What's a reasonable concentration to consume? 
> I assume you can make it much stronger and then dilute it...?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Marshall Dudley 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 1:32:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>How to make silver citrate
> 
> Richard Goodwin wrote:
> > Sounds worth a try.
> >
> > What about adding lemon juice or orange juice?  Too may other contaminants 
> > in those?
> >
> > It would be convenient to be able to just electrolyze orange juice with 
> > silver electrodes, but ... I can't imagine what all you would end up with.
> You could get some silver ascorbate and silver chloride.
> >
> > I see online that citric acid is used in canning, and is very available and 
> > cheap.  At Amazon 4 oz is $1.10, and 5 pounds is $26.39.
> I get the NOW brand at my local health food and vitamin store.
> 
> 
> >
> > Sounds well worth experimenting with.  And if it is used in canning, then 
> > it is probably pretty safe to consume too.  Just have to figure out a 
> > reasonable quantity for a gallon over distilled water.
> Depending on the concentration of silver citrate you want, start with about 
> half the concentration of citric acid as you want silver citrate.  You can 
> tell when it is "done" by monitoring the pH.  When it hits 7, it should be 
> virtually 100% silver citrate with no citric acid or silver oxide present.
> 
> Marshall
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dick
> >
> > 
> > *From:* Marshall Dudley  > >
> > *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
> > *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 12:40:33 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: CS>How to make silver citrate
> >
> > Richard Goodwin wrote:
> > > Does anyone know a source of info on how to make silver citrate at home?
> > >
> > > I'm not finding much useful info on the web in general, but what I am 
> > > finding is that silver citrate, or silver citrate hydrate, seem to be 
> > > more potent than EIS, and still non-toxic.
> > >
> > > Dick
> > If you have a CS maker, then put some citric acid in the distilled water 
> > before starting.  If not you can use distilled water with some citric acid 
> > added, and run a current through it between two silver electrodes.  Such 
> > things as limiting the current to under 1 mA per square inch of anode, 
> > stirring and polarity switching are unnecessary when making citrate.
> >
> > This MIGHT work. Put some silver powder into a solution of H2O2 and citric 
> > acid.  Have not tried it.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> >
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CS>periodontal infected gum disease

[martsmail53]

I hate to ask another question for someone else.But,  I have a  relative 
suffering from periodontal gum disease. Any recommendations on use of  CS for 
her. Thanks Marty

Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[M. G. Devour]

Harold,

>From the below and your other posts in this thread, I get the idea that 
you are essentially using this protocol to free yourself from chronic H-
Pylori infestation? Once you've been able to taper off, it means that 
you're producing enough HCl on your own now?

Thanks,

Mike D.

> My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL
> 500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 2
> caps 15 min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning peppery
> feeling is reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I got this
> feeling.This protocol was followed until the peppery burn was
> experienced with less and less number of capsules.Now I very rarely have
> to take one.AND this along with a radical change of diet put a welcome
> end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the Ulcer causing Bacteria.
> 
> Harold

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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Malcolm]

Hey, nice point!  Dr. Becker is awesome! the re-innervation and healing
of trauma sites he accomplished hasn't been followed up to my knowledge;
too bad!
Take care Steve,
M.

On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 14:07 -0600, Norton, Steve wrote:
> It has been stated in literature that silver can destroy bacterial cells and 
> not human cells because human cell walls are much more robust than bacterial 
> cell walls. Bacteria do not need robust cell walls since they live in a very 
> benign environment. It may be that in infants and small children there are a 
> large number of developing cells, that at some point in the cell development 
> the cells are vulnerable to silver. 
> 
>  - Steve N
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:46 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
> 
> Well, actually silver particles of up to ~ 100+ atoms form, and lose an
> electron or so, perhaps many, thus exhibiting ionic 'potential'. silver
> atoms, like many, like to pair up thus forming molecules with an ionic
> potential that are larger than a single silver atom that has lost one
> of its electrons.
> 
> On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 19:18 +, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee
> > 
> > On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:
> > 
> > > There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
> > >  
> > > http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
> 
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they
> > > talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
> > >  
> > > Nenah
> > >  
> > > Nenah Sylver, PhD
> > > author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
> > > now available in HARDCOVER
> > > & The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
> > > www.nenahsylver.com
> > >  
> > 
> > 
> 
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CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Norton, Steve]

It has been stated in literature that silver can destroy bacterial cells and 
not human cells because human cell walls are much more robust than bacterial 
cell walls. Bacteria do not need robust cell walls since they live in a very 
benign environment. It may be that in infants and small children there are a 
large number of developing cells, that at some point in the cell development 
the cells are vulnerable to silver. 

 - Steve N



-Original Message-
From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:46 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

Well, actually silver particles of up to ~ 100+ atoms form, and lose an
electron or so, perhaps many, thus exhibiting ionic 'potential'. silver
atoms, like many, like to pair up thus forming molecules with an ionic
potential that are larger than a single silver atom that has lost one
of its electrons.

On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 19:18 +, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee
> 
> On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:
> 
> > There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
> >  
> > http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/

> >  
> >  
> > Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they
> > talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
> >  
> > Nenah
> >  
> > Nenah Sylver, PhD
> > author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
> > now available in HARDCOVER
> > & The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
> > www.nenahsylver.com
> >  
> 
> 

Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[MaryAnn Helland]

Thanks Alan.
MA





From: Alan Jones 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 12:05:48 PM
Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid

You can have it tested by a lab, altho I never did.  There's also a home test, 
which I also never tried (just found out about it today):

  http://www.drdebe.com/stomachacidtest.html


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM, MaryAnn Helland  
wrote:

But Harold -- and Alan too -- how do you know if you're one of the 80% who do 
not have excess stomach acid, or one of the 20% who do?
>MA
>
>
>
>

From: Harold MacDonald 
>To: Alan Jones 
>Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:54:49 AM 
>
>Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>
>
>
>Alan;
>I did this protocol approx 15 years ago,  my memory is not 
>perfect;but,I remember it did not take long ,maybe two weeks.At the same time, 
>as I repeat, a big change in my diet has kept the effect active to this 
>day.This also helped me lose a lot of weight too.That bottle of Betaine HCL 
>lasted me a long time .I would take a capsule once in a while to see the 
>effect and it was not needed.
>The bacteria Heli-cobacter Pylori burrows into the stomach lining and has the 
>ability to emit and surround itself with sodium-bi-carbonate ,which as we know 
>is highly alkiline,neutralizing the HCL acid in the stomach.Using acid 
>blockers,Tums,etc., is pure insanity in one of its' truest forms.
>I know,because I went down that road to my detriment.
> 
>Harold
>- Original Message - 
>>From: Alan Jones 
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 AM
>>Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>>
>>Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking Betaine 
>>Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>


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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Malcolm]

Almost; one silver molecule formed of two or four silver atoms, minus
one or two or ?? electrons = one silver ion, yes.  Skip the quarks and
neutrons, removing a proton results in another element.

On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:53 -0800, Richard Goodwin wrote:
> Heh...  Right you are, unless you want to talk about electrons,
> protons, neutrons, quarks, ... :-)
> 
> One silver ion = one silver atom minus one electron, yes?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:18:06 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
> 
> I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee
> 
> On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:
> 
> > There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
> >  
> > http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
> >  
> >  
> > Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they
> > talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
> >  
> > Nenah
> >  
> > Nenah Sylver, PhD
> > author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
> > now available in HARDCOVER
> > & The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
> > www.nenahsylver.com
> >  
> 
> 


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Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

[Marshall Dudley]

I personally would not consume silver citrate. That is what Water Oz is, 
and it is known when taken with no colloidal component to cause argyria 
in some people. Chemically it could be diluted to whatever concentration 
you want as can almost any water soluble compound.


Marshall

Richard Goodwin wrote:

Awesome!

What's a reasonable concentration to consume? 


I assume you can make it much stronger and then dilute it...?




*From:* Marshall Dudley 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 1:32:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

Richard Goodwin wrote:
> Sounds worth a try.
>
> What about adding lemon juice or orange juice?  Too may other 
contaminants in those?

>
> It would be convenient to be able to just electrolyze orange juice 
with silver electrodes, but ... I can't imagine what all you would end 
up with.

You could get some silver ascorbate and silver chloride.
>
> I see online that citric acid is used in canning, and is very 
available and cheap.  At Amazon 4 oz is $1.10, and 5 pounds is $26.39.

I get the NOW brand at my local health food and vitamin store.


>
> Sounds well worth experimenting with.  And if it is used in canning, 
then it is probably pretty safe to consume too.  Just have to figure 
out a reasonable quantity for a gallon over distilled water.
Depending on the concentration of silver citrate you want, start with 
about half the concentration of citric acid as you want silver 
citrate.  You can tell when it is "done" by monitoring the pH.  When 
it hits 7, it should be virtually 100% silver citrate with no citric 
acid or silver oxide present.


Marshall
>
> Thanks,
> Dick
>
> 
> *From:* Marshall Dudley >

> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
> *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 12:40:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>How to make silver citrate
>
> Richard Goodwin wrote:
> > Does anyone know a source of info on how to make silver citrate at 
home?

> >
> > I'm not finding much useful info on the web in general, but what I 
am finding is that silver citrate, or silver citrate hydrate, seem to 
be more potent than EIS, and still non-toxic.

> >
> > Dick
> If you have a CS maker, then put some citric acid in the distilled 
water before starting.  If not you can use distilled water with some 
citric acid added, and run a current through it between two silver 
electrodes.  Such things as limiting the current to under 1 mA per 
square inch of anode, stirring and polarity switching are unnecessary 
when making citrate.

>
> This MIGHT work. Put some silver powder into a solution of H2O2 and 
citric acid.  Have not tried it.

>
> Marshall
>
>
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Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[Alan Jones]

Most of the one's I've seen also include Pepsin (a digestive enzyme).


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Leslie  wrote:

>  I found betaine hydrochloride tablets 499 mg tablets at putitans. Isthis
> what I want or is there something better?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* leslie 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>
> This is interesting; never thought about having too little acid. My
> daughter has quite a bit of trouble and think perhaps I should try the
> Betaine Hcl. Will places like Puritans Pride hav it or do you have to get at
> a special place?
>
> Thanks,
> Leslie
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Alan Jones 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>
> You can have it tested by a lab, altho I never did.  There's also a home
> test, which I also never tried (just found out about it today):
>
>   http://www.drdebe.com/stomachacidtest.html
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM, MaryAnn Helland  > wrote:
>
>>  But Harold -- and Alan too -- how do you know if you're one of the 80%
>> who do not have excess stomach acid, or one of the 20% who do?
>> MA
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Harold MacDonald 
>> *To:* Alan Jones 
>> *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 11:54:49 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>>
>> Alan;
>> I did this protocol approx 15 years ago,  my memory is not
>> perfect;but,I remember it did not take long ,maybe two weeks.At the same
>> time, as I repeat, a big change in my diet has kept the effect active to
>> this day.This also helped me lose a lot of weight too.That bottle of Betaine
>> HCL lasted me a long time .I would take a capsule once in a while to see the
>> effect and it was not needed.
>> The bacteria Heli-cobacter Pylori burrows into the stomach lining and has
>> the ability to emit and surround itself with sodium-bi-carbonate ,which as
>> we know is highly alkiline,neutralizing the HCL acid in the stomach.Using
>> acid blockers,Tums,etc., is pure insanity in one of its' truest forms.
>> I know,because I went down that road to my detriment.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Alan Jones 
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>>
>> Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking
>> Betaine Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Alan Jones
>
>


-- 
Alan Jones

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Bob Banever]

Richard,

That's strange... according to research conducted by Dr. Robert Becker 
silver ions are neurogenic.  They also help to repair DNA as cells revert back 
to normalcy from a state of disrepair, they dedifferentiate in the presence of 
silver ions.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:53 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"


  Heh...  Right you are, unless you want to talk about electrons, protons, 
neutrons, quarks, ... :-)

  One silver ion = one silver atom minus one electron, yes?





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  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:18:06 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

  I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee


  On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:


There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”


http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/


Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they 
talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com

CS>Re: Burning feet

[Rainie Cole]

Thank you, Paul.  I'm doing my best to challenge myself every day.  Any
other suggestions for working for a recovery?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Paul W  wrote:

> In a word: persevere.  While I am not cured of Lyme after all these years,
> I am thankful that I never gave up or gave in. My daily struggle to work and
> be productive and be active has, I believe, been part of the key to
> recovery.  While I had to accommodate the lethargy and pain on occasion, I
> trudged on.  Don't give up.
> Paul
>
> --
> Paul E. Wieloszynski
> My U.S. Navy Destroyer website 
>
>
> --
> *From:* Rainie Cole 
> *To:* wieloszyn...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 1:49:08 AM
> *Subject:* Burning feet
>
> Yes, from time to time I do have burning feet.  It's not all the time, and
> I can't tell when it's going to happen.  Usually for sure if I'm on my feet
> for any length of time.  Sometimes, no reason.  My legs also throb.  And I
> cannot be on my legs for any length of time, anymore.  One hour and I'm
> painfully aware of my legs.  it sucks.  All of this since Lyme.  for the
> past 18 months.
>
> --
> Rainie
>



-- 
Rainie

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Richard Goodwin]

Heh...  Right you are, unless you want to talk about electrons, protons, 
neutrons, quarks, ... :-)

One silver ion = one silver atom minus one electron, yes?






From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:18:06 PM
Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee


On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:

There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
> 
>http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
> 
> 
>Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they talking 
>about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
> 
>Nenah
> 
>Nenah Sylver, PhD
>author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
>now available in HARDCOVER
>& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
>www.nenahsylver.com
> 

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Malcolm]

Well, actually silver particles of up to ~ 100+ atoms form, and lose an
electron or so, perhaps many, thus exhibiting ionic 'potential'. silver
atoms, like many, like to pair up thus forming molecules with an ionic
potential that are larger than a single silver atom that has lost one
of its electrons.

On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 19:18 +, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee
> 
> On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:
> 
> > There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
> >  
> > http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
> >  
> >  
> > Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they
> > talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
> >  
> > Nenah
> >  
> > Nenah Sylver, PhD
> > author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
> > now available in HARDCOVER
> > & The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
> > www.nenahsylver.com
> >  
> 
> 


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Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[Leslie]

I found betaine hydrochloride tablets 499 mg tablets at putitans. Isthis what I 
want or is there something better? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: leslie 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
  Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid


  This is interesting; never thought about having too little acid. My daughter 
has quite a bit of trouble and think perhaps I should try the Betaine Hcl. Will 
places like Puritans Pride hav it or do you have to get at a special place? 

  Thanks,
  Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Jones 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid


You can have it tested by a lab, altho I never did.  There's also a home 
test, which I also never tried (just found out about it today):

  http://www.drdebe.com/stomachacidtest.html


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM, MaryAnn Helland  
wrote:

  But Harold -- and Alan too -- how do you know if you're one of the 80% 
who do not have excess stomach acid, or one of the 20% who do?
  MA




--
  From: Harold MacDonald 
  To: Alan Jones 
  Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:54:49 AM 

  Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid



  Alan;
  I did this protocol approx 15 years ago,  my memory is not perfect;but,I 
remember it did not take long ,maybe two weeks.At the same time, as I repeat, a 
big change in my diet has kept the effect active to this day.This also helped 
me lose a lot of weight too.That bottle of Betaine HCL lasted me a long time .I 
would take a capsule once in a while to see the effect and it was not needed.
  The bacteria Heli-cobacter Pylori burrows into the stomach lining and has 
the ability to emit and surround itself with sodium-bi-carbonate ,which as we 
know is highly alkiline,neutralizing the HCL acid in the stomach.Using acid 
blockers,Tums,etc., is pure insanity in one of its' truest forms.
  I know,because I went down that road to my detriment.

  Harold
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Jones 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid


Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking 
Betaine Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.

Alan





-- 
Alan Jones

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver.  dee

On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:

> There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
>  
> http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
>  
>  
> Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they talking 
> about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
>  
> Nenah
>  
> Nenah Sylver, PhD
> author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
> now available in HARDCOVER
> & The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
> www.nenahsylver.com
>  

Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

[cking001]

On 1/21/2010 8:35:04 AM, Richard Goodwin (dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com)
wrote:
> Does anyone know a source of info on how to make silver citrate at home?
> 
> I'm not finding much useful info on the web in general, but what I am finding 
> is that silver citrate, or silver citrate hydrate, seem to be more potent 
> than EIS, and still non-toxic.
> 
> Dick


From my archives, experimental work on silver citrate.
Names deleted, author may claim authorship if desired.

Chuck
Bacteria: Rear entrance to a cafeteria.

Archive copy follows:
--
Subject: CS>Playing With Silver Citrate

About a month ago I became interested in silver citrate (SC), aka
silver
dihydrogen citrate (SDC).  There are a number of reasons for the
interest:

* It can be made in high concentrations. This has a number of
advantages
when traveling. With the 3 oz limit on liquids on air travel, 3 oz of
400 ppm silver citrate is equal to 60 oz of 20 ppm EIS. That is more
than enough for use during a trip. It would also be useful for camping
or backpacking where weight/volume is an issue. (e.g., a couple of
drops
in a canteen could purify, as in kill bacteria, questionable drinking
water) Silver citrate is available commercially as a 2400 ppm
concentrate.

* Of great interest to me is its use as an antibacterial spray. See:
http://cr.pennnet.com/display_article/310415/15/ARCHI/none/TOPST/1/MRSA-
infection-eradicated-for-14-months-With-SDC-disinfectant-in-Tulsa-County
-Jail/ 
The antibacterial spray is silver citrate at 30 ppm. My daughter
practices gymnastics at a gym where several girls had MRSA. The gym is
nonprofit and has treated the mats, etc to prevent transfer of
infections but this would be much safer and easier than the chemicals
they now use. More here:
http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-citrate.html. 

* It is claimed that silver citrate passes through the digestive
system
and into the bloodstream without change and that pathogens actually
consume the silver citrate as food. This could mean that smaller
amounts
of silver may still be effective in vivo.

I just recently made a batch of SC and thought I'd pass on my limited
observances so far. I started with 2 liters of a 10 percent citric
acid
solution (using distilled water). I used a 10 percent solution because
the following patent performed testing with solutions of 1, 5, and 10
percent: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6197814.html. According to
the
patent, SC made with 5 and 20 percent solutions of citric acid are
stable during storage but with 1 percent it is not. I have plenty of
citric acid powder so I went with 10 percent for the first try. 
I used a 38 VDC power supply with no limiting. My silver electrodes
have
about 7 square inches of surface area each. When I turned the
generator
on it was drawing over 1 amp! The current may have been limited by the
power supply which is only rated at one half amp. I never thought I
would need the digital multi-meter's 10 amp range for CS generation! I
moved the electrodes to a 4 inch separation, the widest my setup
allows
and reduced the size of the negative electrode until the current draw
was 650 ma. I felt the power supply could handle that. I ran it at 650
ma for 20 minutes. According to the Herx Silver Faraday Calculator,
that
should give a solution of 436 ppm silver. I figured that after some
loss
of silver to silver oxide generation, I would end up with something
near
400 ppm. The current draw did not change, that I could measure, during
the 20 minutes. I guess that the high conductivity of the citric acid
swamped any conductivity added by the silver.
As it was brewing, I was surprised at how little silver oxide I was
getting on the negative electrode. All told, I ended up with MUCH less
silver oxide than I get when making standard EIS. Aside from the
current
reading, the positive electrode clearly showed "wear" from the
generation and the solution exhibited a clear Tyndall effect. I set
the
SC aside for 48 hours. After the 48 hours there was no silver
precipitated out, it appears to be stable. There was no change to the
silver oxide. When backlit with light it appears to be very slightly
milky white. When viewed without a backlight it has a VERY slight
yellow
tinge. There is no yellow apparent when diluted to 20 ppm. The 20 ppm
also exhibited a clear Tyndall effect and the taste of the 20 ppm
solution reminded me of sour but weak lemonade. 
As a 30 ppm antibacterial spray, the 2 liters dilutes to 26 liters. At
20 ppm it dilutes to 40 liters. And only requiring 20 minutes to
generate. 

I have more questions now than when I started:

* Is the 650 ma too high a current? I know that some use the high
voltage of a microwave to generate CS. Is this equivalent to that?

* Do I need to balance the pH to something closer to 7.0 after
generation?

* If I add tripotassium citrate will the silver oxide go back into
solution as indicated by this p

Re: CS>Stunning high-definition images of cells' inner workings

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

fabulous pics!  dee

On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:07, Norton, Steve wrote:

> For those who may be interested
> 
> 
> http://www1.gelifesciences.com/APTRIX/upp01077.nsf/Content/incell_competition2009_entry
> 
> 
> -   Steve N
> 

Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[leslie]

This is interesting; never thought about having too little acid. My daughter 
has quite a bit of trouble and think perhaps I should try the Betaine Hcl. Will 
places like Puritans Pride hav it or do you have to get at a special place? 

Thanks,
Leslie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Jones 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:05 PM
  Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid


  You can have it tested by a lab, altho I never did.  There's also a home 
test, which I also never tried (just found out about it today):

http://www.drdebe.com/stomachacidtest.html


  On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM, MaryAnn Helland  
wrote:

But Harold -- and Alan too -- how do you know if you're one of the 80% who 
do not have excess stomach acid, or one of the 20% who do?
MA





From: Harold MacDonald 
To: Alan Jones 
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:54:49 AM

Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid



Alan;
I did this protocol approx 15 years ago,  my memory is not perfect;but,I 
remember it did not take long ,maybe two weeks.At the same time, as I repeat, a 
big change in my diet has kept the effect active to this day.This also helped 
me lose a lot of weight too.That bottle of Betaine HCL lasted me a long time .I 
would take a capsule once in a while to see the effect and it was not needed.
The bacteria Heli-cobacter Pylori burrows into the stomach lining and has 
the ability to emit and surround itself with sodium-bi-carbonate ,which as we 
know is highly alkiline,neutralizing the HCL acid in the stomach.Using acid 
blockers,Tums,etc., is pure insanity in one of its' truest forms.
I know,because I went down that road to my detriment.

Harold
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Jones 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 AM
  Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid


  Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking 
Betaine Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.

  Alan





  -- 
  Alan Jones

CS>making copper and/or gold

[Leslie]

Would like to get  your input on producing copper and gold. Would you be able 
to do this with any electric generator?

I checked into Utopia's new electric generator and you can make silver or 
copper with it but not sure if it takes a special generator for the copper and 
also for gold?
thanks,
Leslie

CS>burning feet

[Shirley Reed]

  I have read that pantothenic acid in high doses can relieve burning feet.  If 
this is correct and you choose to try it, be aware that you can get get your B 
vitamins greatly out of balance using, say 500 mg. doses, and that will lead to 
fairly severe disturbances to you, particularly emotional ones.  I speak from 
experience.  Takes a while to subside too--at least a couple of weeks to begin 
to get over it.  Most unpleasant.  I was using it for tension.  It worked, but 
at too great a cost.  Too angry for words.  We need the B's desperately, but 
watch yourself.  Maybe greater attention to diet and digestion will be very 
helpful.  Best wishes, pj


  


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CS>Question on Tincturing - polo

[Norton, Steve]

While I am interested on Doug's input on this question because of his
expertise, input from all is appreciated.

As I understand the current art in tincturing, the primary solvents used
are ethyl alcohol, vinegar and DMSO. I have come across people who do
not like tinctures with alcohol and others that do not want DMSO. And I
don't like vinegar because I am not sure just how good a solvent  for
oil based constituents it is. I have been evaluating another possible
solvent for tinctures and I think it looks good but I would like some
other opinions. There may be something I am overlooking. The solvent is
ethyl lactate. It is a water-miscible solvent like ethyl alcohol and
DMSO and it is FDA approved for food and cosmetic use. It has a soft
fruit flavor and the aroma of wine. There isn't as much information
available on ethyl lactate as I would like but it is called out in a
number of patents for use in medicinal preparations. Here is an example:

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7081248/description.html
Concentrated water-dispersible vitamin compositions

It also has some antimicrobial ability. For example, it is also used in
some pet shampoos at a 10% concentration. It has an effect similar to
benzyl peroxide but is less harsh. See:

http://www.vetcontact.com/presentations/carlotti1/abstracts/carlotti.pdf
 THE ART OF SHAMPOOS IN VETERINARY DERMATOLOGY:
 TREATMENT AND PREVENTION STRATEGIES

"Ethyl lactate is hydrolysed in the skin to ethanol and lactic acid,
thus lowering the skin pH and acting similarly to benzoyl peroxide (3).
It is used in concentration of 10 %, which is rarely followed by
indesirable side effects (irritation, erythema, pruritus) (4). In a
comparative study to benzoyl peroxide, 90 % of 30 dogs with superficial
pyoderma responded well to a 10 % ethyl lactate shampoo (30). In a
recent study comparing two groups of 10 dogs with superficial pyoderma,
it was shown that utilization of a 10 % ethyl lactate shampoo twice
weekly reduces the length of systemic antibiotic needed in canine
superficial pyoderma (31)."


Ethyl lactate is also readily available in a high concentration that
would be useful when tincturing fresh herbs. A possible source is from
the hardware store : Klean Strip Green Natural Multi-Purpose Solvent.
The MSDS for the product give a purity of greater than 99%. See:

http://www.wmbarr.com/ProductFiles/KSG%20Natural%20MultiPurpose%20Solven
t.pdf

In vivo, it breaks down into ethyl alcohol and lactic acid. Neither of
which is harmful. Certainly not in the quantity provided in a tincture.
Since you mentioned the problem with use of DMSO with racehorses,
perhaps this would be an alternative. Although it does not have the
penetrating ability of DMSO, it is listed as having good penetration
characteristics.

Any opinion?

Thanks,
 Steve N

Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

[Richard Goodwin]

Awesome!

What's a reasonable concentration to consume?  

I assume you can make it much stronger and then dilute it...?







From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 1:32:43 PM
Subject: Re: CS>How to make silver  citrate

Richard Goodwin wrote:
> Sounds worth a try.
> 
> What about adding lemon juice or orange juice?  Too may other contaminants in 
> those?
> 
> It would be convenient to be able to just electrolyze orange juice with 
> silver electrodes, but ... I can't imagine what all you would end up with.
You could get some silver ascorbate and silver chloride.
> 
> I see online that citric acid is used in canning, and is very available and 
> cheap.  At Amazon 4 oz is $1.10, and 5 pounds is $26.39.
I get the NOW brand at my local health food and vitamin store.


> 
> Sounds well worth experimenting with.  And if it is used in canning, then it 
> is probably pretty safe to consume too.  Just have to figure out a reasonable 
> quantity for a gallon over distilled water.
Depending on the concentration of silver citrate you want, start with about 
half the concentration of citric acid as you want silver citrate.  You can tell 
when it is "done" by monitoring the pH.  When it hits 7, it should be virtually 
100% silver citrate with no citric acid or silver oxide present.

Marshall
> 
> Thanks,
> Dick
> 
> 
> *From:* Marshall Dudley 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 12:40:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>How to make silver citrate
> 
> Richard Goodwin wrote:
> > Does anyone know a source of info on how to make silver citrate at home?
> >
> > I'm not finding much useful info on the web in general, but what I am 
> > finding is that silver citrate, or silver citrate hydrate, seem to be more 
> > potent than EIS, and still non-toxic.
> >
> > Dick
> If you have a CS maker, then put some citric acid in the distilled water 
> before starting.  If not you can use distilled water with some citric acid 
> added, and run a current through it between two silver electrodes.  Such 
> things as limiting the current to under 1 mA per square inch of anode, 
> stirring and polarity switching are unnecessary when making citrate.
> 
> This MIGHT work. Put some silver powder into a solution of H2O2 and citric 
> acid.  Have not tried it.
> 
> Marshall
> 
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Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

[Marshall Dudley]

Richard Goodwin wrote:

Sounds worth a try.

What about adding lemon juice or orange juice?  Too may other 
contaminants in those?


It would be convenient to be able to just electrolyze orange juice 
with silver electrodes, but ... I can't imagine what all you would end 
up with.

You could get some silver ascorbate and silver chloride.


I see online that citric acid is used in canning, and is very 
available and cheap.  At Amazon 4 oz is $1.10, and 5 pounds is $26.39.

I get the NOW brand at my local health food and vitamin store.




Sounds well worth experimenting with.  And if it is used in canning, 
then it is probably pretty safe to consume too.  Just have to figure 
out a reasonable quantity for a gallon over distilled water.
Depending on the concentration of silver citrate you want, start with 
about half the concentration of citric acid as you want silver citrate.  
You can tell when it is "done" by monitoring the pH.  When it hits 7, it 
should be virtually 100% silver citrate with no citric acid or silver 
oxide present.


Marshall


Thanks,
Dick


*From:* Marshall Dudley 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 12:40:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

Richard Goodwin wrote:
> Does anyone know a source of info on how to make silver citrate at home?
>
> I'm not finding much useful info on the web in general, but what I 
am finding is that silver citrate, or silver citrate hydrate, seem to 
be more potent than EIS, and still non-toxic.

>
> Dick
If you have a CS maker, then put some citric acid in the distilled 
water before starting.  If not you can use distilled water with some 
citric acid added, and run a current through it between two silver 
electrodes.  Such things as limiting the current to under 1 mA per 
square inch of anode, stirring and polarity switching are unnecessary 
when making citrate.


This MIGHT work. Put some silver powder into a solution of H2O2 and 
citric acid.  Have not tried it.


Marshall


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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Golden Aldi]

Ha!!

Look what I found at the bottom of the page "About EHN"

Funded by...

 EHS has received grants from:

   - The Jenifer Altman Foundation
   - The New York Community Trust
   - The Kendeda Fund
   - The Rockefeller Brothers Fund
   - The Beldon Fund
   - The Marisla Foundation
   - The John Merck Fund
   - The Alida R. Messinger Charitable Lead Trust
   - The David and Lucile Packard Foundation
   - The V.K. Rasmussen Foundation
   - The Oak Foundation
   - The West Wind Foundation
   - The Overbrook Foundation
   - The Seachange Foundation
   - The Cornell Douglas Foundation

What does that tell you about the credibility of this organization? Part of
the Codex Alimentarius? Illuminati? Genocide? They are trying to discredit
Silver. I mean come on, the EPA has declared CO2 as toxic! This is the same
Ship.

Aldi


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Nenah Sylver  wrote:

>  There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
>
>
>
>
> http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
>
>
>
>
>
> Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they
> talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
>
>
>
> Nenah
>
>
>
> Nenah Sylver, PhD
>
> author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
>
> now available in HARDCOVER
>
> & The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
>
> www.nenahsylver.com
>
>
>

Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[Alan Jones]

You can have it tested by a lab, altho I never did.  There's also a home
test, which I also never tried (just found out about it today):

  http://www.drdebe.com/stomachacidtest.html

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM, MaryAnn Helland
wrote:

> But Harold -- and Alan too -- how do you know if you're one of the 80% who
> do not have excess stomach acid, or one of the 20% who do?
> MA
>
>  --
> *From:* Harold MacDonald 
> *To:* Alan Jones 
> *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 11:54:49 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>
> Alan;
> I did this protocol approx 15 years ago,  my memory is not
> perfect;but,I remember it did not take long ,maybe two weeks.At the same
> time, as I repeat, a big change in my diet has kept the effect active to
> this day.This also helped me lose a lot of weight too.That bottle of Betaine
> HCL lasted me a long time .I would take a capsule once in a while to see the
> effect and it was not needed.
> The bacteria Heli-cobacter Pylori burrows into the stomach lining and has
> the ability to emit and surround itself with sodium-bi-carbonate ,which as
> we know is highly alkiline,neutralizing the HCL acid in the stomach.Using
> acid blockers,Tums,etc., is pure insanity in one of its' truest forms.
> I know,because I went down that road to my detriment.
>
> Harold
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Alan Jones 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>
> Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking Betaine
> Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.
>
> Alan
>
>


-- 
Alan Jones

RE: CS> Clear Body, Clear Mind

[Nenah Sylver]

[Heidrun Beer, posts snipped and excerpted] . . . I cannot see how plant oil
will drive human fat out of the cells and replace it. 

 

XXX I'm not sure that that was the reason Hubbard suggested the oils-but if
I have time, I'll re-read the section and get back to you.

 

I did not experience side effects. There are discussions about effects on
the liver. I personally had none. The niacin "flush" (skin gets red and hot)
is not harmful.

 

XXX In fact, it's the niacin flush that is beneficial.

 

But as it targets only substances that are stored in the fatty tissues, it
had no effect on the serious heavy metal problems I had. 

 

Also it would not clear plaque from the arteries, as EDTA chelation does, or
clean out any other garbage from the body that is not in the fatty tissue.

 

In my opinion it can be useful if drug residues like LSD etc. exist, but it
is really a limited program. That said, I did not have a drug history other
than some medical drugs, so other people may have had more gains than I did.

 

XXX You are quite correct that the metals may tend to remain in the bones.
The program works best for those whose toxins are in the fat cells, which
are the most accessible.

 

Thanks, Heidrun, for your report.

 

Nenah   

Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

[Richard Goodwin]

Sounds worth a try.

What about adding lemon juice or orange juice?  Too may other contaminants in 
those?

It would be convenient to be able to just electrolyze orange juice with silver 
electrodes, but ... I can't imagine what all you would end up with.

I see online that citric acid is used in canning, and is very available and 
cheap.  At Amazon 4 oz is $1.10, and 5 pounds is $26.39.

Sounds well worth experimenting with.  And if it is used in canning, then it is 
probably pretty safe to consume too.  Just have to figure out a reasonable 
quantity for a gallon over distilled water.

Thanks,
Dick





From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 12:40:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>How to make silver  citrate

Richard Goodwin wrote:
> Does anyone know a source of info on how to make silver citrate at home?
> 
> I'm not finding much useful info on the web in general, but what I am finding 
> is that silver citrate, or silver citrate hydrate, seem to be more potent 
> than EIS, and still non-toxic.
> 
> Dick
If you have a CS maker, then put some citric acid in the distilled water before 
starting.  If not you can use distilled water with some citric acid added, and 
run a current through it between two silver electrodes.  Such things as 
limiting the current to under 1 mA per square inch of anode, stirring and 
polarity switching are unnecessary when making citrate.

This MIGHT work. Put some silver powder into a solution of H2O2 and citric 
acid.  Have not tried it.

Marshall


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Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[MaryAnn Helland]

But Harold -- and Alan too -- how do you know if you're one of the 80% who do 
not have excess stomach acid, or one of the 20% who do?
MA





From: Harold MacDonald 
To: Alan Jones 
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:54:49 AM
Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid


Alan;
I did this protocol approx 15 years ago,  my memory is not 
perfect;but,I remember it did not take long ,maybe two weeks.At the same time, 
as I repeat, a big change in my diet has kept the effect active to this 
day.This also helped me lose a lot of weight too.That bottle of Betaine HCL 
lasted me a long time .I would take a capsule once in a while to see the effect 
and it was not needed.
The bacteria Heli-cobacter Pylori burrows into the stomach lining and has the 
ability to emit and surround itself with sodium-bi-carbonate ,which as we know 
is highly alkiline,neutralizing the HCL acid in the stomach..Using acid 
blockers,Tums,etc., is pure insanity in one of its' truest forms.
I know,because I went down that road to my detriment.
 
Harold
- Original Message - 
>From: Alan Jones 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 AM
>Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>
>Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking Betaine 
>Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.
>
>Alan
>
>

Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[Harold MacDonald]

Alan;
I did this protocol approx 15 years ago,  my memory is not perfect;but,I 
remember it did not take long ,maybe two weeks.At the same time, as I repeat, a 
big change in my diet has kept the effect active to this day.This also helped 
me lose a lot of weight too.That bottle of Betaine HCL lasted me a long time .I 
would take a capsule once in a while to see the effect and it was not needed.
The bacteria Heli-cobacter Pylori burrows into the stomach lining and has the 
ability to emit and surround itself with sodium-bi-carbonate ,which as we know 
is highly alkiline,neutralizing the HCL acid in the stomach.Using acid 
blockers,Tums,etc., is pure insanity in one of its' truest forms.
I know,because I went down that road to my detriment.

Harold
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Jones 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 AM
  Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid


  Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking Betaine 
Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.

  Alan

Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe, Part III: An Exclusive Interview with Anders Sultan, Sweden's Largest Colloidal Silver Manufacturer

[Sandee George]

Precisely John, I know they took CS or EIS (both the liquid and the  
gel) off the shelves as much as they could some four years ago in  
Western Australia, as well as in New Mexico - both circumstances I  
happened to be present at when it occured as I watched the clearing of  
the shelves with my own eyes.   As is always the case, let those who  
choose to do or not to do, be allowed their freedom to do what they  
think is best for them.

Take good care of you and be aware, clear and guided at all times.
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>How to make silver citrate

[Marshall Dudley]

Richard Goodwin wrote:

Does anyone know a source of info on how to make silver citrate at home?

I'm not finding much useful info on the web in general, but what I am 
finding is that silver citrate, or silver citrate hydrate, seem to be 
more potent than EIS, and still non-toxic.


Dick
If you have a CS maker, then put some citric acid in the distilled water 
before starting.  If not you can use distilled water with some citric 
acid added, and run a current through it between two silver electrodes.  
Such things as limiting the current to under 1 mA per square inch of 
anode, stirring and polarity switching are unnecessary when making citrate.


This MIGHT work. Put some silver powder into a solution of H2O2 and 
citric acid.  Have not tried it.


Marshall


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CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Nenah Sylver]

There's an article called "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

 

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neuro
toxicant/ 

 

 

Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they talking
about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),

now available in HARDCOVER

& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

  www.nenahsylver.com 

 

Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Clayton Family]

I have not personally tried it, but I do know some who have done a doctor 
monitored version, and were successful in detoxing toxic mold. I have heard 
various other reports of the validity of the therapy as well.

Kathryn

On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:16 AM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by the 
> Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it ?

Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[Alan Jones]

Sort of.  My chiro suggested I take 3 at each meal.  I was a little nervous
about this so I started with one, and it did burn ever so slightly in the
beginning, but this quickly went away.  I worked up to 3 at each meal and
I'm still there.

The book "Why Stomach Acid Is Good For You" has a lot of good info on this.
My recollection is the author suggests working up to 5-7 per meal.

Alan


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM, MaryAnn Helland
wrote:

> Alan -- did you use the same protocol as Harold?
> MA
>
>  --
> *From:* Alan Jones 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 10:36:57 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS> Low stomach acid
>
> Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking Betaine
> Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Harold MacDonald wrote:
>
>>  My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL
>> 500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 2 caps
>> 15 min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning peppery feeling is
>> reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I got this feeling.This
>> protocol was followed until the peppery burn was experienced with less and
>> less number of capsules.Now I very rarely have to take one.AND this along
>> with a radical change of diet put a welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the
>> Ulcer causing Bacteria.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>
> --
> Alan Jones
>



-- 
Alan Jones

Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[MaryAnn Helland]

Alan -- did you use the same protocol as Harold?
MA





From: Alan Jones 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:36:57 AM
Subject: Re: CS> Low stomach acid

Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking Betaine Hcl 
in December and I no longer get GERD.

Alan


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Harold MacDonald  wrote:

My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL 
500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 2 caps 15 
min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning peppery feeling is 
reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I got this feeling.This 
protocol was followed until the peppery burn was experienced with less and less 
number of capsules.Now I very rarely have to take one.AND this along with a 
radical change of diet put a welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the Ulcer 
causing Bacteria.
> Harold
-- 
Alan Jones

Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe, Part III: An Exclusive Interview with Anders Sultan, Sweden's Largest Colloidal Silver Manufacturer

[John E. Stevens]

Hi, Sandee:

Thanks, Sandee.  I don't see a lot of other silver sites or silver
businesses reporting on this as they should be - if they care...  for
anything except ther almighty .  A lot of folks at silverlist think the
European ban is a hoax, but it isn't.  These governments work in gradual
steps as opposed to immediacy so as not to (aha) alarm anyone, but folks,
BEWARE, it is happening right before your eyes...  Sadly.  Prepare yourself
for the worst and you won't regret it.

John


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Sandee George  wrote:

> Thanks for this one John, this is why it is of prime importance for anyone
> who really cares about their own health. that they get the necessary
> equipment to make their own no matter where they are, or what is going on,
> this I did for myself over 5 years ago when I was lead to this wonderful
> product.
> I have already supplied both liquid and gel for hurricane disaster
> circumstances, when Ivan hit Grenada and there were no antibiotics available
> on the Island.So as far as I am concerned it is a matter of taking
> responsibility for self and then for others if they so desire but mostly for
> self !
> Cheers to all
> Sandee
>
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Re: CS> Low stomach acid

[Alan Jones]

Harold, about how long did this whole process take?  I began taking Betaine
Hcl in December and I no longer get GERD.

Alan

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Harold MacDonald  wrote:

>  My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL
> 500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 2 caps
> 15 min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning peppery feeling is
> reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I got this feeling.This
> protocol was followed until the peppery burn was experienced with less and
> less number of capsules.Now I very rarely have to take one.AND this along
> with a radical change of diet put a welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the
> Ulcer causing Bacteria.
>
> Harold
>

-- 
Alan Jones

Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,

[John E. Stevens]

Doug:

It's not a hoax if you read carefully.  These governments work in gradual
steps.  Read more carefully and with some insight instead of jumping the
gun...

John

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:57 AM, polo  wrote:

> This European ban has been found to be a internet hoax. Some regulations
> were added to labeling, but that is all.
>
> doug
>
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Re: CS>Stunning high-definition images of cells' inner workings

[Annie B Smythe]

Thank you Steve:)


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Norton, Steve wrote:



For those who may be interes ted

http://www1.gelifesciences.com/APTRIX/upp01077.nsf/Content/incell_competition2009_entry 



-   Steve N




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CS> Low stomach acid

[Harold MacDonald]

My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL 
500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 2 caps 15 
min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning peppery feeling is 
reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I got this feeling.This 
protocol was followed until the peppery burn was experienced with less and less 
number of capsules.Now I very rarely have to take one.AND this along with a 
radical change of diet put a welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the Ulcer 
causing Bacteria.

Harold

CS>Stunning high-definition images of cells' inner workings

[Norton, Steve]

For those who may be interested 

http://www1.gelifesciences.com/APTRIX/upp01077.nsf/Content/incell_compet
ition2009_entry

-   Steve N

Re: CS> Clear Body, Clear Mind

[Heidrun Beer]

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:13:14 -0700, Nenah Sylver wrote in
<20100121151315.ibbu26337.fed1rmmtao103.cox@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>:

>
>Heidrun Beer, I'd like to hear your experience with the program if you'd
>like to share it.
>


I just sent it to the list, but here it is again (see below).

In my opinion, the heavy metals were NOT handled. I still 
had plenty of them in my organs and bones after the purif
(the program's name in Scientologese). Only residues in 
the fatty tissue are released, and I am not convinced that
the replacement of body fats by the oil ingested really 
works as described by Hubbard. 

I cannot see how plant oil will drive human fat out of the 
cells and replace it. Hubbard was not all to scientifically 
firm, in my opinion. His area of expertise was the human 
mind, and even there he left behind a legacy of contradictions.



Now here is again what I wrote about the program:



I did not experience side effects. There are discussions
about effects on the liver. I personally had none. The
niacin "flush" (skin gets red and hot) is not harmful.

But as it targets only substances that are stored in the
fatty tissues, it had no effect on the serious heavy 
metal problems I had. 

Also it would not clear plaque from the arteries, as EDTA 
chelation does, or clean out any other garbage from the
body that is not in the fatty tissue.

In my opinion it can be useful if drug residues like LSD etc. 
exist, but it is really a limited program. 

That said, I did not have a drug history other than some
medical drugs, so other people may have had more gains
than I did.





Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org



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RE: CS> Clear Body, Clear Mind

[Nenah Sylver]

Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by the
Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it ?

 

===

I researched this method when writing my book on sauna therapy. For my
research, I read L. Ron Hubbard's book Clear Body, Clear Mind. I also
interviewed Dr. David Root. Dr. Root (a medical doctor) has not only
co-authored quite a number of clinical studies on the toxins that are
released when people sweat, but he supervises sweat programs at detox
centers based on what Hubbard wrote in his book, and has written about this
as well.

 

I also visited one of the detox centers that uses Hubbard's approach. In the
reception room, framed on a wall above the main desk, is a section of towel
from one of the participant's sauna sessions. The towel is largely black,
that's how much junk was excreted from the skin during a sauna session. The
center had the towel analyzed by a lab, which reported how many "heavy"
metals were released from the sweat.

 

Putting aside any personal feelings about Scientology, I found Hubbard's
sweat program's results to be sound. There are a few modifications I might
make if it were my program: for instance, I'd use specific-wavelength far
infrared saunas rather than typical "rock on heater" saunas. And, for
certain subjects, I'd lessen or eliminate the strenuous workouts before
having the people enter the sauna. However, in theory and practice, the
detox protocol as Hubbard originally conceived it is effective. The use of
certain supplements before and after sweating is important to the program's
success as well. I thought that Hubbard's observations about niacin were
frankly brilliant. You can either read Hubbard's book or my book on sauna
therapy for more information.

 

Interestingly, Hubbard developed this program with some people from the EPA.
This was decades ago. Hubbard's program, and his association with the EPA,
was reported in a well-known book on detoxification. I guess the publisher
got too much flak about the program being created by a Scientologist,
because in the next edition of the detox book any mention of Hubbard was
completely eliminated (though the authors still mentioned the protocol
itself).

 

The protocol is being used in several detox centers across the country,
including two in the New York City area to help firefighters and rescue
workers detox from the debris from 911. From what I have been told, it's
quite successful and people's health and lives have been saved. Two of my
friends who live downtown were clients at one of the centers and were helped
tremendously.

 

Heidrun Beer, I'd like to hear your experience with the program if you'd
like to share it.

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),

now available in HARDCOVER

& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

  www.nenahsylver.com 

Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,

[polo]

This European ban has been found to be a internet hoax. Some regulations 
were added to labeling, but that is all.


doug


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Re: CS>C. difficile

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Yuck!  dee

On 20 Jan 2010, at 19:00, Dan Nave wrote:

> Recently, I saw an article about a Minnesota doctor who treated an
> extremely difficult cast of C-difficile with a "stool transplant."
> 
> Basically, the husband's stool sample was liquified and strained and
> inserted into the woman's stomach through a tube.  I suppose one could
> also drink it...
> 
> This worked miraculoulsy and almost instantly.  See article, below,
> one of many articles:
> 
> Dan
> 


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CS>Words of advice about ....

[Jason]

I would be very careful what advice you try doing from this list.I would take 
everything with a grain of salt.I have seen wackos post in here, and noone 
dispute what they were saying! The moderater did eventually ban them, but 
someone could of been very messed up from there postings in the mean time.


  


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CS>How to make silver citrate

[Richard Goodwin]

Does anyone know a source of info on how to make silver citrate at home?

I'm not finding much useful info on the web in general, but what I am finding 
is that silver citrate, or silver citrate hydrate, seem to be more potent than 
EIS, and still non-toxic.

Dick

Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Annie B Smythe]

I do recall that Tom Cruise is into Scientology, 
and just a cursory search in Google provides a 
whole plethora of articles about it. You may like 
this stuff, but personally speaking, I don't want 
anything to do with anything he recommends whether 
you want to call it a religion or not. And I am 
just as free to voice my opinion as the next 
person, and to believe what I like, just as 
everyone is. And as far as I'm concerned 
Scientology meets all the criteria of a religion 
from what I can see.


It's very hard for me to credit that it has 
nothing to do with religion. Maybe my 
understanding of it is mistaken, but from what I 
understand Scientology does enjoy a tax free 
status as a religion, unless they've lost their 
tax free status and I haven't read about it.


The Clear Body, Clear Mind program was developed 
by Hubbard. And while I liked reading his science 
fiction, I'm not interested in any belief system 
created by him.


So, no offense, and you can believe anything you 
like, but I am politely asking that you please not 
defend it here on the CS list because of its' ties 
to Scientology. I find it offensive, and I resent 
Scientology recruiting propaganda being in my 
inbox. And I do believe there's a list rule about 
religion and politics.


The author of Clear Body Clear Mind, L. Ron 
Hubbard lived an uncloistered life, dedicating his 
life to helping men and woman achieve true mental 
and spiritual improvement.


http://www.clearbodyclearmind.com/about.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology



Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Sandee George wrote:

Please - clearing the mind has nothing to do with any religion !!
Cheers
Sandee


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Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Heidrun Beer]

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:06:50 EST, martsmai...@aol.com wrote in
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>I am just interested in detox program.Is it safe. Are there any side  
>effects.They promote taking large amounts of niacin


I did not experience side effects. There are discussions
about effects on the liver. I personally had none. The
niacin "flush" (skin gets red and hot) is not harmful.

But as it targets only substances that are stored in the
fatty tissues, it had no effect on the serious heavy 
metal problems I had. 

Also it would not clear plaque from the arteries, as EDTA 
chelation does, or clean out any other garbage from the
body that is not in the fatty tissue.

In my opinion it can be useful if drug residues like LSD etc. 
exist, but it is really a limited program. 



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Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[martsmail53]

I am just interested in detox program.Is it safe. Are there any side  
effects.They promote taking large amounts of niacin
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:03:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
oha...@juno.com writes:

Please -  clearing the mind has nothing to do with any religion  !!
Cheers
Sandee


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Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Sandee George]

Please - clearing the mind has nothing to do with any religion !!
Cheers
Sandee


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Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe, Part III: An Exclusive Interview with Anders Sultan, Sweden's Largest Colloidal Silver Manufacturer

[Sandee George]

Thanks for this one John, this is why it is of prime importance for  
anyone who really cares about their own health. that they get the  
necessary equipment to make their own no matter where they are, or  
what is going on, this I did for myself over 5 years ago when I was  
lead to this wonderful product.
I have already supplied both liquid and gel for hurricane disaster  
circumstances, when Ivan hit Grenada and there were no antibiotics  
available on the Island.So as far as I am concerned it is a matter  
of taking responsibility for self and then for others if they so  
desire but mostly for self !

Cheers to all
Sandee


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CS> Huntington Disease

[martsmail53]

 
What will help someone  suffering from 
huntington disease, will CS. Woman has suffered 12  years..Thanks marty

Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Annie B Smythe]

Isn't Tom Cruise involved with the Scientology so 
called religion? I stay far far away from stuff 
like that. It could be someone else, but I seem to 
remember a flap about it last year.


Bethann

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
I know that Tom Cruise was promoting this as a means of helping first 
responders of 9/11, many of whom have died or are dying from lung 
disease or cancer.  Many others are disabled.   If the methods Cruise is 
promoting are not effective, then he's involved in a cruel deception, 
presumably unwittingly.I know more than that, but you might check 
with the FealeGood Foundation website and see if you can find 
information there.  John Feale has dedicated his life to helping 9/11 
first responders and seems to be a very good man.






On Thursday, Jan 21, 2010, at 19:16 Asia/Tokyo, martsmai...@aol.com wrote:

Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by the 
Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it ?



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Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Heidrun Beer]

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:16:49 EST, martsmai...@aol.com wrote in
<722.5792e5c0.38898...@aol.com>:

>Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by  the 
>Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it  ?


Yes, I have done it. 

What do you want to know?



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Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I know that Tom Cruise was promoting this as a means of helping first 
responders of 9/11, many of whom have died or are dying from lung 
disease or cancer.  Many others are disabled.   If the methods Cruise 
is promoting are not effective, then he's involved in a cruel 
deception, presumably unwittingly.I know more than that, but you 
might check with the FealeGood Foundation website and see if you can 
find information there.  John Feale has dedicated his life to helping 
9/11 first responders and seems to be a very good man.






On Thursday, Jan 21, 2010, at 19:16 Asia/Tokyo, martsmai...@aol.com 
wrote:


Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by the 
Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it ?



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Re: CS>one for brooks

[John E. Stevens]

Pertaining to humans, and it may work with horses, Vitamin C strengthens the
lung tisssue - all tissues actually.  I had a lung infection from fungus
back in the '70's which bled a cup of highly oxygenated bood periodically
and I used 10 grams of vitamin C to help heal it.  Vitamin E healed the
scarring.  Possible IV Vitamin C??? for the horses.

John

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, polo  wrote:

>  Bob.
>
> It has been my experience that CS will not curb bleeding. In my
> specialty of pulmonary bleeding on the race track, horses tend to bleed and
> the traditional veterinary protocol is to inject them with lasix, a
> diuretic, which some times helps. Many times, it does not. Also, vets seem
> not to know why performance horses bleed from the lungs. It is my experience
> and theory that they bleed because they have a biofilm lung infection which
> is very hard to diagnose, culture and treat with conventional antibiotics.
> DMSO and CS seems some what effective as long as we can work around the
> state ban on DMSO given in the vicinity time frame of a race. I think
> liposomal CS may offer a much needed option to striking at the heart of this
> bleeding problem by aiming at the offending biofilm infection and not be
> curbing the bleeding directly per se.
>
> doug
>
> - Original Message -
>
>
> Doug,
>
>   Have you used CS as a treatment for bleeders?  If so, how do you do
> this.  Thanks.
>
>   Bob
>
>
>
>

CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe, Part III: An Exclusive Interview with Anders Sultan, Sweden's Largest Colloidal Silver Manufacturer

[John E. Stevens]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Steve Barwick 
Date: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:28 AM
Subject: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe, Part III: An Exclusive Interview
with Anders Sultan, Sweden's Largest Colloidal Silver Manufacturer
To: Steve Barwick 


 Hi, Steve Barwick here, for
www.TheSilverEdge.com
...



This week I had the rare pleasure of interviewing Anders Sultan, Sweden’s
largest colloidal silver manufacturer, maker of the *Ionosil* brand of
colloidal silver.



In the interview below we discuss:



· the surprise European ban on colloidal silver



· a nifty loophole that savvy European colloidal silver
manufacturers are using to beat the ban



· why U.S. colloidal silver-makers may *not* be able to take
advantage of this same loophole should colloidal silver be banned here



· the looming *Codex Alimentarius* threat to global health freedom
and how it will affect colloidal silver users in the U.S.



· the ongoing environmentalist campaign to force the regulation and
restriction of colloidal silver in the United States



· the little-known U.S. war on *silver dragees*



· differences between U.S. and EU food, water and supplement
regulations as they relate to colloidal silver



· and much more!



So kick back for the next five or ten minutes, get comfortable, put your
feet up, and read what you’re not being told about colloidal silver through
any other source of information



Just click on this link  to
go to my latest Colloidal Silver Secrets blog post, dated January 21, 2010,
and titled “*Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe, Part III:  An Exclusive
Interview with Anders Sultan, Sweden’s Largest Colloidal Silver Manufacturer
*.”



Regards,

Steve Barwick

CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[martsmail53]

Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by  the 
Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it  ?

Re: CS>C. difficile

[Rowena]

A homeopathic nosode preparation of C. difficile.
Mine was prepared using computer assisted dermal diagnosis with the 
Interro program, along with a number of other remedies the program 
indicated I needed.

R





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