Re: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[sol]

brick...@aol.com wrote:
CAN-C got rid of chunks of my cataract that should have been removed 
during cataract surgery in two days. The chunk covered my new lens and 
shut out most of the light. My vision was close to how it was prior to 
surgery. My DR said nothing he could do and I would just have to live 
with it.

Brickey
I just posted about my lack of success with it after a year of use (I 
did stop it for a week or two here and there, but also used it 
faithfully for weeks on end).
How many times a day did you use the drops? I apply the drops two or 
three times a day. To be honest, I am really disappointed with my results.

sol


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Re: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[sol]

larry tankersley wrote:

Hey Folks;
  Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? 
Or other modalities?
  I've been dealing with a retina detachment [twice now]  since Dec. 
and the gas bubble they inject causes a rapid increase in the 
cataract. I'd really like to skip the operation. TIA

larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA

Larry,
 I have been using either Bright-Eyes or CAN-C for about a year now 
(with a few gaps): CAN-C we are just finishing up 3 boxes of (6 
bottles). I  had great hopes for it, but have to say at my last eye exam 
just a few weeks ago the cataracts were still present, and the one in 
the left eye may have been just a tad worse (or not). The only good news 
is there has been no significant INCREASE in the cataract in either eye, 
which may be due to the CAN-C and Bright Eyes, or may be due to the 
CS/MSM/DMSO eye drops I also use at times (I stopped for over a month 
after a vitreous detachment  in the left eye.
 I also would really like to skip cataract surgery, and am very lucky 
the vitreous detachment (which seems to have been total) didn't cause a 
retinal tear or detachment. In my case the left eye suffered an 
inflammation after the vitreous detachment, which is now apparently 
gone, but I have months yet to think about cataract surgery, as it can't 
be done until it is certain the inflammation is entirely gone. And I'm 
left with a large obtrusive floater and a filmy floater, and the eye 
surgeon says cataract surgery may enable me to see the floaters even 
better, which is not a desireable thing, in my own opinion, LOL.
I too want to put surgery off  for the rest of my life ideally and that 
desire is even stronger since the vitreous detachment and the subsequent 
inflammation. But I haven't succeeded in getting rid of the cataracts 
after a year of trying (though I seemed to be having success for the 
first couple of months of drops).

sol
.


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Re: CS>RE OT, email problems

[carolG]

WowSharon, I will always have a separate account than my provider. Just 
makes more sense to me.

Glad it's working for you however.

carol




From: starshar 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 7:48:25 PM
Subject: CS>RE OT, email problems

 
Thanks Carol. If I could figure out how to deal with the spam
factor I would do that. I’ve had a yahoo address for yrs and have never used
it!

Fw: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Norton, Steve]

Retry # 2

- Original Message -
From: Norton, Steve
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wed Mar 17 18:26:20 2010
Subject: RE: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

Here are some options:

http://math.ucsd.edu/~ebender/Health%20&%20Nutrition/Diseases/diseases.html


"Reversal: of cataracts observed in small trials using 2-3 eye drops of well 
shaken mixture (below) 3x day.  (May be slight temporary burning from DMSO.)  
Takes 1-6 months (Alt 1/02 p.55).  Do not use if you have an eye infection.
1/2 oz. 99.99% DMSO
1/2 oz. distilled water



http://www.altmedicenter.com/am/dmso.asp?pageID=dmso3.asp

"An ophthalmologist has developed a formula for dissolving cataracts without 
surgery. Combining DMSO with super oxide dismutase (SOD), this eye doctor's 
formulation works against glaucoma too."



http://www.communicationagents.com/chris/2003/09/03/cataract_msm_eye_drop_solution.htm

"When eye drops containing the proper amount of MSM are applied, the membrane 
becomes permeable, and this has reversed the problem. It is also important that 
the eye remain flexible so that the muscles can alter its contour and focus as 
needed. In the event that its membranes and muscles become rigid and tough, the 
eye will not be able to focus properly, resulting in blurred vision. The MSM in 
eye drops soothes and softens the membranes, permitting fluids to pass through 
the optical tissues to stabilize the pressure, repair any damage, clear up red 
spots and bloodshot vessels, and remove floaters and other particles in the eye.
In one case, a 15 percent solution of MSM in isotonic saline was a soothing 
treatment for the eye following accidental injury due to particulate matter in 
the eye. In a test with an irritated eye of a rabbit, the eye cleared when 
treated every hour with a 10 percent aqueous solution of MSM. Be assured, the 
concentration in the MSM eye drops you get will be sufficient. 
Here is how to make the cataract solution form MSM. Just remember to use 
the pure powder. You can make the 15% solution by mixing 1.5 grams of MSM 
in 10 ml of water (two teaspoons). Its best to make small batches for 
freshness. Use 2 to 4 times daily."



http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004058289&IA=WO2004058289&DISPLAY=DESC

This patent recommends in one formulation combining MSM with EDTA.


- Steve N 



From: larry tankersley [mailto:la...@webtv.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:50 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

Hey Folks;
  Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? Or other 
modalities?
  I've been dealing with a retina detachment [twice now]  since Dec. and the 
gas bubble they inject causes a rapid increase in the cataract. I'd really like 
to skip the operation. TIA 
larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA

Re: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Brickeyk]

CAN-C got rid of chunks of my cataract that should have been removed during 
 cataract surgery in two days. The chunk covered my new lens and shut out 
most of  the light. My vision was close to how it was prior to surgery. My DR 
 said nothing he could do and I would just have to live with it.
Brickey

CS>kidney stones Herbal Tea Cure

[Tel Tofflemire]

Hey you people with Kidney stones, I make a Kidney-Liver cleanse that will cost 
only $10.00 plus same day shipping, and you would only use a fraction of the 
tea to rid the stones, plus clean the organs.
I have used it with 100 % success for 10 years or more. It is made with 4 
different herbs, and does taste good too.
Just add boiling water and let steep until safe to drink, then sip, You should 
start passing stones the 1st day.Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
http://www.quailwoodherbal.com




From: Sara Mandal-Joy 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 3:45:30 PM
Subject: CS>kidney stones

I'm having trouble with a kidney stone.  Other than plenty of water, wondering 
what folks have tried
(successfully hopefully) as a folk remedy, to help "dissolve" and release the 
stone.  I've been doing some research, and folks have mentioned such things as 
drinking apple cider vinegar; drinking 2 oz of fresh squeezed lemon juice 
stirred into 2 oz of olive oil;  guzzling 6(!) cokes followed by 8 ounces of 
smooshed
asparagus; and drinking 3 doses of a quart of water added to a cup of lemon 
concentrate.  (total 3 quarts of water, 3 cups of lemon concentrate.  I don't 
drink coke, but if it could relieve this pain I'd do it on a one
time basis.  Think I'm going to try the lemon juice/olive oil combo first.  
Have any of these remedies worked for anyone else?   Thanks, Sara


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[starshar]

Thanks Carol. If I could figure out how to deal with the spam factor I would
do that. I've had a yahoo address for yrs and have never used it!

My Gmail addy is unusable until I can talk to a human being at google (when
pigs fly?). So far, comcast has delivered 2 days in a row-yay!

Sharon

 

From: carolG [mailto:cgiam...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Some topic trimming, please?

 

Sharon, Why not to yahoo for your email account. I have Comcast services,
but never would I use them for email.  It's free too.

 

Carolg

 

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From: starshar 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 9:02:24 PM
Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Some topic trimming, please?

Hi Everybody

After 3+ yrs of Comcast blocking my favorite list, it's letting me receive
it again! (It better last, too)

Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[poast]

Hello Marshall,

Oxygen reduction potential (ORP) is measured using equipment similar to that
used to measure PH.  The probe is constructed differently from the PH probe,
but the measurement process is similar.

Here is an introductory article on ORP.

http://www.rhtubs.com/ORP.htm

My interest in ORP comes from exploring the concept of using EIS to
disinfect raw water for drinking, and to explore its use to disinfect waste
water for emergency sanitation in the event of a natural (or unnatural)
disaster.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS


> poast wrote:
> > Hello Marshall,
> >
> > Another interesting observation...
> >
> > The oxidation reduction potential of my EIS is around 0.550 mV.  The
> > solution that I added the ascorbic acid to comes in at around 0.186 mV.
I
> > don't know if this is significant, but it is interesting.
> >
> >
> Can you elaborate on this? How do you do the measurement?
>
> Marshall
>
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Re: CS>introduction- dental issues and oil pulling

[Tad Winiecki]

PT- I swish CS first thing every day for dental issues, but I also do 
oil pulling afterward for 20 minutes, see link-


http://www.oilpulling.com/And I've been doing it for over 2 years, I 
have had no dental issues in that time and have had a tooth with a 
slightly blackened root become white and non-sensitive, and all my teeth 
look whiter.  I don't think my gum recession has gotten less but at 
least I don't think it's worse.   Xylitol is also reputed to kill the 
bacteria that cause tooth decay, so I chew xylitol gum when I think 
about it.


Nancy
Why do seagulls fly over the sea?
Because if they flew over the bay they'd be bagels.

needling around wrote:

Hello,
I am new to the list and am here because I am interested in learning 
about CS and its uses to support good health.  I am personally 
interested in learning about its use for controlling dental issues so 
as to avoid repeated cycles of antibiotics.  I have an interest in 
alternative medicine in general and will share what little I know when 
it seems appropriate.

Thanks.
PT





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Re: CS>kidney stones

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

I've done an olive oil and grapefruit juice "liver flush" that does 
release the gallstones, when taken after
a number of doses of epsom salts (relaxes all the ducts).   Don't know 
if epsom salts might also help
with the kidney stones.  Good news is it is helping - to some extent at 
any rate.  Took the dose after
I wrote the post, few hours ago.  Still having some "waves" but not 
nearly as intense as prior to the dose.
And I finally feel hungry - was nauseus, probably from the pain, all 
day.  The oil mixture was hard to keep down.   But it sure was worth 
it.  Its not fixed yet, but so much better.   I'll probably take another
dose before bed.   Jumping might be helpful, but I'm not up for it, not 
today at any rate.   If its not better by morning, I'll try guzzling a 
bunch of coke and follow it up with asparagus.  I never have coke on 
hand, but our Amish friends are helping us with building a shed, and 
they enjoy it for a treat, so have plenty to give it a try.  Sara
Hi,  I've read of the olive oil and lemon juice but for gallstones not 
kidney stones.


I was taught that in China they give people something to relax them, 
have them drink lots of water and then jump rope.

Good luck.
PT




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Re: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Annie B Smythe]

Steve would the MSM or DMSO have to be medical or 
pharmaceutical grade? And what if you used MSM, 
DMSO in a contact lens sterile saline solution? Is 
the 99.9% stuff alright? And my MSM is kind of 
crystalline rather than powdery. Is it possible to 
get SOD to add to the mixture?


Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Norton, Steve wrote:

Here are some options:

http://math.ucsd.edu/~ebender/Health%20&%20Nutrition/Diseases/diseases.html


"Reversal: of cataracts observed in small trials using 2-3 eye drops of well 
shaken mixture (below) 3x day.  (May be slight temporary burning from DMSO.)  Takes 
1-6 months (Alt 1/02 p.55).  Do not use if you have an eye infection.
1/2 oz. 99.99% DMSO
1/2 oz. distilled water



http://www.altmedicenter.com/am/dmso.asp?pageID=dmso3.asp

"An ophthalmologist has developed a formula for dissolving cataracts without 
surgery. Combining DMSO with super oxide dismutase (SOD), this eye doctor's formulation 
works against glaucoma too."



http://www.communicationagents.com/chris/2003/09/03/cataract_msm_eye_drop_solution.htm

"When eye drops containing the proper amount of MSM are applied, the membrane 
becomes permeable, and this has reversed the problem. It is also important that the 
eye remain flexible so that the muscles can alter its contour and focus as needed. 
In the event that its membranes and muscles become rigid and tough, the eye will not 
be able to focus properly, resulting in blurred vision. The MSM in eye drops soothes 
and softens the membranes, permitting fluids to pass through the optical tissues to 
stabilize the pressure, repair any damage, clear up red spots and bloodshot vessels, 
and remove floaters and other particles in the eye.
In one case, a 15 percent solution of MSM in isotonic saline was a soothing treatment for the eye following accidental injury due to particulate matter in the eye. In a test with an irritated eye of a rabbit, the eye cleared when treated every hour with a 10 percent aqueous solution of MSM. Be assured, the concentration in the MSM eye drops you get will be sufficient. 
Here is how to make the cataract solution form MSM. Just remember to use 
the pure powder. You can make the 15% solution by mixing 1.5 grams of MSM 
in 10 ml of water (two teaspoons). Its best to make small batches for 
freshness. Use 2 to 4 times daily."




http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004058289&IA=WO2004058289&DISPLAY=DESC

This patent recommends in one formulation combining MSM with EDTA.


- Steve N 




From: larry tankersley [mailto:la...@webtv.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:50 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

Hey Folks;
  Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? Or other 
modalities?
  I've been dealing with a retina detachment [twice now]  since Dec. and the gas bubble they inject causes a rapid increase in the cataract. I'd really like to skip the operation. TIA 
larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA

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[Norton, Steve]

Retry

- Original Message -
From: Norton, Steve
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wed Mar 17 18:26:20 2010
Subject: RE: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

Here are some options:

http://math.ucsd.edu/~ebender/Health%20&%20Nutrition/Diseases/diseases.html


"Reversal: of cataracts observed in small trials using 2-3 eye drops of well 
shaken mixture (below) 3x day.  (May be slight temporary burning from DMSO.)  
Takes 1-6 months (Alt 1/02 p.55).  Do not use if you have an eye infection.
1/2 oz. 99.99% DMSO
1/2 oz. distilled water



http://www.altmedicenter.com/am/dmso.asp?pageID=dmso3.asp

"An ophthalmologist has developed a formula for dissolving cataracts without 
surgery. Combining DMSO with super oxide dismutase (SOD), this eye doctor's 
formulation works against glaucoma too."



http://www.communicationagents.com/chris/2003/09/03/cataract_msm_eye_drop_solution.htm

"When eye drops containing the proper amount of MSM are applied, the membrane 
becomes permeable, and this has reversed the problem. It is also important that 
the eye remain flexible so that the muscles can alter its contour and focus as 
needed. In the event that its membranes and muscles become rigid and tough, the 
eye will not be able to focus properly, resulting in blurred vision. The MSM in 
eye drops soothes and softens the membranes, permitting fluids to pass through 
the optical tissues to stabilize the pressure, repair any damage, clear up red 
spots and bloodshot vessels, and remove floaters and other particles in the eye.
In one case, a 15 percent solution of MSM in isotonic saline was a soothing 
treatment for the eye following accidental injury due to particulate matter in 
the eye. In a test with an irritated eye of a rabbit, the eye cleared when 
treated every hour with a 10 percent aqueous solution of MSM. Be assured, the 
concentration in the MSM eye drops you get will be sufficient. 
Here is how to make the cataract solution form MSM. Just remember to use 
the pure powder. You can make the 15% solution by mixing 1.5 grams of MSM 
in 10 ml of water (two teaspoons). Its best to make small batches for 
freshness. Use 2 to 4 times daily."



http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004058289&IA=WO2004058289&DISPLAY=DESC

This patent recommends in one formulation combining MSM with EDTA.


- Steve N 



From: larry tankersley [mailto:la...@webtv.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:50 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

Hey Folks;
  Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? Or other 
modalities?
  I've been dealing with a retina detachment [twice now]  since Dec. and the 
gas bubble they inject causes a rapid increase in the cataract. I'd really like 
to skip the operation. TIA 
larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA

RE: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Norton, Steve]

Here are some options:

http://math.ucsd.edu/~ebender/Health%20&%20Nutrition/Diseases/diseases.html


"Reversal: of cataracts observed in small trials using 2-3 eye drops of well 
shaken mixture (below) 3x day.  (May be slight temporary burning from DMSO.)  
Takes 1-6 months (Alt 1/02 p.55).  Do not use if you have an eye infection.
1/2 oz. 99.99% DMSO
1/2 oz. distilled water



http://www.altmedicenter.com/am/dmso.asp?pageID=dmso3.asp

"An ophthalmologist has developed a formula for dissolving cataracts without 
surgery. Combining DMSO with super oxide dismutase (SOD), this eye doctor's 
formulation works against glaucoma too."



http://www.communicationagents.com/chris/2003/09/03/cataract_msm_eye_drop_solution.htm

"When eye drops containing the proper amount of MSM are applied, the membrane 
becomes permeable, and this has reversed the problem. It is also important that 
the eye remain flexible so that the muscles can alter its contour and focus as 
needed. In the event that its membranes and muscles become rigid and tough, the 
eye will not be able to focus properly, resulting in blurred vision. The MSM in 
eye drops soothes and softens the membranes, permitting fluids to pass through 
the optical tissues to stabilize the pressure, repair any damage, clear up red 
spots and bloodshot vessels, and remove floaters and other particles in the eye.
In one case, a 15 percent solution of MSM in isotonic saline was a soothing 
treatment for the eye following accidental injury due to particulate matter in 
the eye. In a test with an irritated eye of a rabbit, the eye cleared when 
treated every hour with a 10 percent aqueous solution of MSM. Be assured, the 
concentration in the MSM eye drops you get will be sufficient. 
Here is how to make the cataract solution form MSM. Just remember to use 
the pure powder. You can make the 15% solution by mixing 1.5 grams of MSM 
in 10 ml of water (two teaspoons). Its best to make small batches for 
freshness. Use 2 to 4 times daily."



http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004058289&IA=WO2004058289&DISPLAY=DESC

This patent recommends in one formulation combining MSM with EDTA.


- Steve N 



From: larry tankersley [mailto:la...@webtv.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:50 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

Hey Folks;
  Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? Or other 
modalities?
  I've been dealing with a retina detachment [twice now]  since Dec. and the 
gas bubble they inject causes a rapid increase in the cataract. I'd really like 
to skip the operation. TIA 
larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA

Re: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[needling around]

Hi,
Can-C didn't help me.  Have you contacted Dr. Edward Kondrot at 
www.healingtheeye.com regarding microcurrent and homeopathy for this?
Good luck.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: larry tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:50 PM
  Subject: CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes


  Hey Folks;
Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? Or 
other modalities?
I've been dealing with a retina detachment [twice now]  since Dec. and the 
gas bubble they inject causes a rapid increase in the cataract. I'd really like 
to skip the operation. TIA 
larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA

Re: CS>kidney stones

[needling around]

Hi,  I've read of the olive oil and lemon juice but for gallstones not 
kidney stones.


I was taught that in China they give people something to relax them, have 
them drink lots of water and then jump rope.

Good luck.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Sara Mandal-Joy" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: CS>kidney stones


I'm having trouble with a kidney stone.  Other than plenty of water, 
wondering what folks have tried
(successfully hopefully) as a folk remedy, to help "dissolve" and release 
the stone.  I've been doing some research, and folks have mentioned such 
things as drinking apple cider vinegar; drinking 2 oz of fresh squeezed 
lemon juice stirred into 2 oz of olive oil;  guzzling 6(!) cokes followed 
by 8 ounces of smooshed
asparagus; and drinking 3 doses of a quart of water added to a cup of 
lemon concentrate.  (total 3 quarts of water, 3 cups of lemon concentrate. 
I don't drink coke, but if it could relieve this pain I'd do it on a one
time basis.  Think I'm going to try the lemon juice/olive oil combo first. 
Have any of these remedies worked for anyone else?   Thanks, Sara



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CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[larry tankersley]

 Hey Folks;
  Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? Or other 
modalities?
  I've been dealing with a retina detachment [twice now]  since Dec. and the 
gas bubble they inject causes a rapid increase in the cataract. I'd really like 
to skip the operation. TIA 

larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA

Re: CS>Atten: Arthur Rambo

[arthur rambo]

I reported my quick success with dmso and atomidine, 50%/50% to regrow a 
toenail that just dropped off one day, using these on a bandaid each night, on 
the toe. It took as long as it takes to grow a nail. (Its still one of the best 
looking in the bunch) 8^)






From: "linda...@att.net" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 12:32:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Atten: Arthur Rambo


Hi Arthur and MaryAnn,

I could not find the rest of this thread in the list archives, so it must have 
got lost somewhere- Is it possible you could throw some background out here for 
it, or a link to it, if it's there and I just didn't see it somehow (Maybe the 
thread topic was different, & since I didn't see the original thread, I don't 
know what it was?)?

I have a dear friend who is desperately trying to get rid of a toenail fungus 
and nothing is working, the nail is now ruined; I would like to try this with 
him if that is what you are working with...

Thanks a bunch for posting!

Stay well,

Linda :)
-- Original message from arthur rambo : 
-- 
>


  

CS>kidney stones

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

I'm having trouble with a kidney stone.  Other than plenty of water, 
wondering what folks have tried
(successfully hopefully) as a folk remedy, to help "dissolve" and 
release the stone.  I've been doing some research, and folks have 
mentioned such things as drinking apple cider vinegar; drinking 2 oz of 
fresh squeezed lemon juice stirred into 2 oz of olive oil;  guzzling 
6(!) cokes followed by 8 ounces of smooshed
asparagus; and drinking 3 doses of a quart of water added to a cup of 
lemon concentrate.  (total 3 quarts of water, 3 cups of lemon 
concentrate.  I don't drink coke, but if it could relieve this pain I'd 
do it on a one
time basis.  Think I'm going to try the lemon juice/olive oil combo 
first.  Have any of these remedies worked for anyone else?   Thanks, Sara



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Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[Jay]

I've had some experience with rancid lecithin. It was two new
unexpired packages of the NOW Foods non-GMO product actually. It might
have been broken seals from shipping and inappropriate storage. Rancid
lecithin doesn't necessarily smell or taste bad, more like a bit
soapy. I changed to buying it locally, and have not had problems since
then. I go through a pound every 7-10 days. I found others'
experiences of rancid lecithin are similar, so it does happen
sometimes.
Jay

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:13 PM,   wrote:
> It seems a lot of warnings are more conjecture than fact.
> Experience trumps theory...
> I've used granulated soy lecithin for more than 30 years without it
> going rancid.
> It's in the kitchen cabinet with all my other supplements.
>
>                                                Chuck
> "Watch closely. I'm only going to do this once." --Instructor at the
> Academy for Kamikaze Pilots
>
>
>
> On 3/17/2010 2:38:20 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
>> But if they are encapsulating Vit C,
>> wouldn't that prevent oxidation--as Vit C *is* an anti-oxidant?  Also it 
>> won't
>> be around more than three days and those will be spent in the fridge!
>> The brand I have is Now Foods and is GMO free. dee
>>


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Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[James Lembeck]

Hi Dorothy,
Yes, Vit C is an antioxidant, and if found in a plant it works differently than 
if used outside. Vit C is acidic and has a low pH, this is one of the factors 
that prevents micro-organisms from growing and anarobic bacteria/fungus from 
taking over. The problem is that the molecule (fatty acids) is damaged during 
the processing, so adding the Vit C after the damage/oxidation has occured may 
prevent further damage but...for the most part the damage is already done. The 
rest it is difficult to say because unless there is a base line with which to 
draw a conclusion we can't determine how the addtition of Vit C will protect 
you or how it will affect your product...the vitamin C may help once it is in 
your body...tough to say.

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--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>liposomal Vit C
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 12:38 PM

But if they are encapsulating Vit C, wouldn't that prevent oxidation--as Vit C 
*is* an anti-oxidant?  Also it won't be around more than three days and those 
will be spent in the fridge!   The brand I have is Now Foods and is GMO free. 
dee

On 17 Mar 2010, at 16:39, James Lembeck wrote:

> Hi Dee,
> Any time you are dealing with phospholipids (lecithin) you have to take into 
> account that they are a type of fatty acid, and are susceptible to oxidation 
> (becoming rancid fat). Heat, light and moisture will all have a negative 
> affect on your 'potion'. 
> 
> Also, I am not sure if GMO issues are important to you, but 90% of the 
> lecithin out there is GMO, that is unless it is certified organic.  
> 
> If quality is the bottom line for you, these are all things that I would want 
> to know if I was making this product. 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Dr. Lembeck
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

I experienced much the same thing except mine has a slight yellow to it 
now.  The cloudiness MIGHT be due to very small oxygen bubbles being 
released when the silver reduces.  Or larger silver particles, which 
should be found on the bottom after they have settled out if that is the 
cause.


Marshall

poast wrote:

Hello Steve,

Original color was clear, upon adding the ascorbic acid the solution turned
cloudy but the color was still clear, after a few days most of the
cloudiness cleared up and it is still clear in color.  The tyndall effect is
much stronger after adding the ascorbic acid.

Tom

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS


Tom,
What was the color of your solution before and after adding ascorbic
acid? Did the color change after the precipitated occurred?
Thanks,
Steve N

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Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

poast wrote:

Hello Marshall,

Another interesting observation...

The oxidation reduction potential of my EIS is around 0.550 mV.  The
solution that I added the ascorbic acid to comes in at around 0.186 mV.  I
don't know if this is significant, but it is interesting.

  

Can you elaborate on this? How do you do the measurement?

Marshall


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Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[James Lembeck]

Chuck,
'Theory' is stating that you have been taking lecithin for 30 years without 
knowing if the material that you taking is oxidized and or rancid, it doesn't 
have to smell rancid to have elevated peroxide levels. Have you tested your 
material lately? Fats need to be kept cold to prevent premature oxidation. Egg 
lecithin is another example of a phospolipid that gets oxidized when whipped or 
heated...Even though the study below is done with corn the premise is the same. 
There are literally hundreds of similar studies regarding this issue only I 
don't have the time to chase them down. Again this also doesn't address the GMO 
issue, which has ramifications far beyond the scope of this topic.

Toxicity of oxidized fats II: tissue levels of lipid peroxides in rats fed a 
thermally oxidized corn oil diet
B. C. Nwangumaa, *, A. C. Achebea, L. U. S. Ezeanyikab and L. C. Ezea

a Department of Biochemistry, University of Nigeria, Nsukka, Enugu State, 
Nigeria

b School of Medicine, University of Maiduguri, Maiduguri Bornu State, Nigeria
Accepted 3 July 1998.
Available online 17 June 1999.

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From: cking...@nycap.rr.com 
Subject: Re: CS>liposomal Vit C
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:13 PM

It seems a lot of warnings are more conjecture than fact.
Experience trumps theory...
I've used granulated soy lecithin for more than 30 years without it
going rancid.
It's in the kitchen cabinet with all my other supplements.

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On 3/17/2010 2:38:20 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
> But if they are encapsulating Vit C,
> wouldn't that prevent oxidation--as Vit C *is* an anti-oxidant?  Also it won't
> be around more than three days and those will be spent in the fridge!
> The brand I have is Now Foods and is GMO free. dee
> 
> On 17 Mar 2010, at 16:39, James Lembeck wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dee,
> > Any time you are dealing with phospholipids (lecithin) you have to take
> into account that they are a type of fatty acid, and are susceptible to
> oxidation (becoming rancid fat). Heat, light and moisture will all have a
> negative affect on your 'potion'.
> >
> > Also, I am not sure if GMO issues are important to you, but 90% of the
> lecithin out there is GMO, that is unless it is certified organic.
> >
> > If quality is the bottom line for you, these are all things that I would
> want to know if I was making this product.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Dr. Lembeck
> >
> >
> 
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Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[cking001]

It seems a lot of warnings are more conjecture than fact.
Experience trumps theory...
I've used granulated soy lecithin for more than 30 years without it
going rancid.
It's in the kitchen cabinet with all my other supplements.

Chuck
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On 3/17/2010 2:38:20 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
> But if they are encapsulating Vit C,
> wouldn't that prevent oxidation--as Vit C *is* an anti-oxidant?  Also it won't
> be around more than three days and those will be spent in the fridge!
> The brand I have is Now Foods and is GMO free. dee
> 
> On 17 Mar 2010, at 16:39, James Lembeck wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dee,
> > Any time you are dealing with phospholipids (lecithin) you have to take
> into account that they are a type of fatty acid, and are susceptible to
> oxidation (becoming rancid fat). Heat, light and moisture will all have a
> negative affect on your 'potion'.
> >
> > Also, I am not sure if GMO issues are important to you, but 90% of the
> lecithin out there is GMO, that is unless it is certified organic.
> >
> > If quality is the bottom line for you, these are all things that I would
> want to know if I was making this product.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Dr. Lembeck
> >
> >
> 
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Re: CS>Atten: Arthur Rambo

[LINDARAY]

Hi Arthur and MaryAnn,
 
I could not find the rest of this thread in the list archives, so it must have got lost somewhere- Is it possible you could throw some background out here for it, or a link to it, if it's there and I just didn't see it somehow (Maybe the thread topic was different, & since I didn't see the original thread, I don't know what it was?)?
 
I have a dear friend who is desperately trying to get rid of a toenail fungus and nothing is working, the nail is now ruined; I would like to try this with him if that is what you are working with...
 
Thanks a bunch for posting!
 
Stay well,
 
Linda :)
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Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[poast]

Hello Steve,

Original color was clear, upon adding the ascorbic acid the solution turned
cloudy but the color was still clear, after a few days most of the
cloudiness cleared up and it is still clear in color.  The tyndall effect is
much stronger after adding the ascorbic acid.

Tom

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS


Tom,
What was the color of your solution before and after adding ascorbic
acid? Did the color change after the precipitated occurred?
Thanks,
Steve N

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Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

But if they are encapsulating Vit C, wouldn't that prevent oxidation--as Vit C 
*is* an anti-oxidant?  Also it won't be around more than three days and those 
will be spent in the fridge!   The brand I have is Now Foods and is GMO free. 
dee

On 17 Mar 2010, at 16:39, James Lembeck wrote:

> Hi Dee,
> Any time you are dealing with phospholipids (lecithin) you have to take into 
> account that they are a type of fatty acid, and are susceptible to oxidation 
> (becoming rancid fat). Heat, light and moisture will all have a negative 
> affect on your 'potion'. 
> 
> Also, I am not sure if GMO issues are important to you, but 90% of the 
> lecithin out there is GMO, that is unless it is certified organic.  
> 
> If quality is the bottom line for you, these are all things that I would want 
> to know if I was making this product. 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Dr. Lembeck
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[poast]

Hello Marshall,

Another interesting observation...

The oxidation reduction potential of my EIS is around 0.550 mV.  The
solution that I added the ascorbic acid to comes in at around 0.186 mV.  I
don't know if this is significant, but it is interesting.

I just mixed up another 250 ml bottle of EIS using 0.27 grams of ascorbic
acid this time.  The PH of this solution is 3.7.  It will take a couple of
days to see if anything settles out.

Tom


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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS


> poast wrote:
> > Hello Marshall,
> >
> > Some additional information...
> >
> > My EIS ends up with a PH of 6.5.  The solution that I added the ascorbic
> > acid to ended up with a PH of 3.5.
> >
> > I know that some reactions are sensitive to PH, so an idea would be to
pick
> > a PH target and add only as much ascorbic acid as is needed to reduce
the PH
> > of the solution to the target value.
> >
> Actually the target value for the best stability for colloidal silver is
> 7.0.
> > I used a "pinch" of ascorbic acid in 250 ml of EIS.  I have measuring
spoons
> > that measure a drop, smidgen, pinch, dash, and tad.  In liquid
measurement a
> > pinch is 0.3125 ml.  I just measured a pinch of ascorbic acid and it
came in
> > at 0.31 grams.
> >
> > Too much?  Too little?  Normal reaction?
> >
> Well, let's see.  If you have 8 oz of 10 ppm CS, and 90% of that is
> ionic, you would need the same molar quantity to react with it of
> ascorbic acid b(I think this is a valid assumption). That would be
> 8*10*.9/(108 (108 is the molecular weight of silver) mol.  Since
> citric acid has a molecular weight of 192, that would require that
> amount to be multiplied by 192 which gives .0128 ounce of ascorbic acid,
> which equals 0.36288 grams.
>
> That yours ended up with that low of a pH requires some rethinking.  We
> have approximately the same proportion of both Ag2O2 and AgOH.  If it
> only takes one molecule of ascorbic acid to break apart Ag2O2, then that
> would mean you only need half as much for that part, or in general only
> 75% of what I figured above.  this works out to .272 grams.
>
> Now if you actually used less ascorbic acid, the pH may still be low due
> to the following possibilities:
>
> 1. Any absorbed CO2 is released and becomes carbonic acid.
> 2. Ascorbic acid may act as a catalyst instead of getting involved in
> the reaction.
>
> Good research, we need to keep trying things.
>
> Marshall
> > Tom


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allergies and conditioned responses, wasRe: CS>FW: Distiller (UNCLASSIFIED)

[sol]

Ode Coyote wrote:


  If you're scouring the SS, that will make some of everything 
available as micro particulates ground into micro pores in the metals 
surface...together with body acids to ionize them...who knows?

 You are also removing the "pacified" layer.

I'm sure.


Since hypnotism a can alleviate many allergies, that shows that it's 
often a mental response telling the body to react to a stimulus in a 
manner unrelated to the actual stimulus.


  Can't argue with that. My very first allergy attack (hives) could not 
have been due to any conditioning of expectation, because it was totally 
out of the blue, never had a single hive before in my life (40 when it 
happened). But it was 3 weeks before they began to abate, that was 24 
years ago.
Only minor outbreaks thereafter, until several years ago, when I got a 
huge outbreak again that lasted 12 - 14 months, constant 24/7 hideous 
itch and severe burning pain with blistered, red. thick and textured 
skin, best I can tell that was hives and eczema combined. When that 
finally stopped, I had 2 or 3 further somewhat milder episodes that 
lasted a month or two each time.

   Let me tell you, I got conditioned.
sol


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Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[Saralou Pedigo]

Dee, It worked.  sl

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Just to say I've made my first batch of proper LET Vit C.  I put the DW and
> lecithin granules into my Magic Bullet and it *completely* dissolved
> it--there wasn't *one* granule to be seen!  Then I dissolved a teaspoon of
> sodium ascorbate into half a cup of water and then put the whole lot into
> the sonic cleaner.  I bought this on ebay and it was only £20 plus postage
> and it is brilliant!  It runs in three minute intervals so I put it on for 6
> minutes as this was what Brookes suggested and it came out perfect.  Hardly
> any foam at all and that has gone since it is standing in the fridge--and so
> far, no separation at all.  I'll let you know how it works out.  dee
>
> --
>

Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[James Lembeck]

Hi Mary,
No Lecithin is made from soy (for the most part), but it can be derived from 
several other sources...but yeast isn't one that I am aware of.

Regards,
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dr. lemback,
Is lecithin made from yeast ?
Mary
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Hi Dee,
Any time you are dealing with phospholipids (lecithin) you have to take into 
account that they are a type of fatty acid, and are susceptible to oxidation 
(becoming rancid fat). Heat, light and moisture will all have a negative affect 
on your 'potion'. 

Also, I am not sure if GMO issues are important to you, but 90% of the lecithin 
out there is GMO, that is unless it is certified organic.  

If quality is the bottom line for you, these are all things that I would want 
to know if I was making this product. 

Kind Regards,
Dr. Lembeck


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Subject: CS>liposomal Vit C
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Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:16 AM


Just to say I've made my first batch of proper LET Vit C.  I put the DW and 
lecithin granules into my Magic Bullet and it *completely* dissolved it--there 
wasn't *one* granule to be seen!  Then I dissolved a teaspoon of sodium 
ascorbate into half a cup of water and then put the whole lot into the sonic 
cleaner.  I bought this on ebay and it was only £20 plus postage and it is 
brilliant!  It runs in three minute intervals so I put it on for 6 minutes as 
this was what Brookes suggested and it came out perfect.  Hardly any foam at 
all and that has gone since it is standing in the fridge--and so far, no 
separation at all.  I'll let you know how it works out.  dee

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Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[mborgert]

dr. lemback,
Is lecithin made from yeast ?
Mary
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Hi Dee,Any time you are dealing with phospholipids (lecithin) you have to take into account that they are a type of fatty acid, and are susceptible to oxidation (becoming rancid fat). Heat, light and moisture will all have a negative affect on your 'potion'. Also, I am not sure if GMO issues are important to you, but 90% of the lecithin out there is GMO, that is unless it is certified organic.  If quality is the bottom line for you, these are all things that I would want to know if I was making this product. Kind Regards,Dr. LembeckWebsite - health-compendium.comThe information in this electronic mail message is sender's confidential business or personal information, and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee's. Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful.--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
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Just to say I've made my first batch of proper LET Vit C.  I put the DW and lecithin granules into my Magic Bullet and it *completely* dissolved it--there wasn't *one* granule to be seen!  Then I dissolved a teaspoon of sodium ascorbate into half a cup of water and then put the whole lot into the sonic cleaner.  I bought this on ebay and it was only £20 plus postage and it is brilliant!  It runs in three minute intervals so I put it on for 6 minutes as this was what Brookes suggested and it came out perfect.  Hardly any foam at all and that has gone since it is standing in the fridge--and so far, no separation at all.  I'll let you know how it works out.  dee--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.  Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.orgUnsubscribe:  silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe>Archives:  http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.htmlOff-Topic discussions: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com>List Owner: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com>

Re: CS>liposomal Vit C

[James Lembeck]

Hi Dee,
Any time you are dealing with phospholipids (lecithin) you have to take into 
account that they are a type of fatty acid, and are susceptible to oxidation 
(becoming rancid fat). Heat, light and moisture will all have a negative affect 
on your 'potion'. 

Also, I am not sure if GMO issues are important to you, but 90% of the lecithin 
out there is GMO, that is unless it is certified organic.  

If quality is the bottom line for you, these are all things that I would want 
to know if I was making this product. 

Kind Regards,
Dr. Lembeck


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From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: CS>liposomal Vit C
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:16 AM

Just to say I've made my first batch of proper LET Vit C.  I put the DW and 
lecithin granules into my Magic Bullet and it *completely* dissolved it--there 
wasn't *one* granule to be seen!  Then I dissolved a teaspoon of sodium 
ascorbate into half a cup of water and then put the whole lot into the sonic 
cleaner.  I bought this on ebay and it was only £20 plus postage and it is 
brilliant!  It runs in three minute intervals so I put it on for 6 minutes as 
this was what Brookes suggested and it came out perfect.  Hardly any foam at 
all and that has gone since it is standing in the fridge--and so far, no 
separation at all.  I'll let you know how it works out.  dee

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Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

It was crystal clear before adding, and somewhat foggy with a yellow 
tinge after adding.  I never got any noticeable precipitation.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:

Tom,
What was the color of your solution before and after adding ascorbic
acid? Did the color change after the precipitated occurred?
Thanks,
Steve N

-Original Message-
From: poast [mailto:po...@prodigy.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:10 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

Hello Marshall,

Some additional information...

My EIS ends up with a PH of 6.5.  The solution that I added the ascorbic
acid to ended up with a PH of 3.5.

I know that some reactions are sensitive to PH, so an idea would be to
pick
a PH target and add only as much ascorbic acid as is needed to reduce
the PH
of the solution to the target value.

I used a "pinch" of ascorbic acid in 250 ml of EIS.  I have measuring
spoons
that measure a drop, smidgen, pinch, dash, and tad.  In liquid
measurement a
pinch is 0.3125 ml.  I just measured a pinch of ascorbic acid and it
came in
at 0.31 grams.

Too much?  Too little?  Normal reaction?

Tom


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS


  

That is some good information.  I was wondering if the addition of
ascorbic acid would cause 1 and 2 atom colloid, or if it would
precipitate out on the particles that are already there, that


indicates
  

that at least some of them precipitate out on other particles making


the
  

rather large.  The other possibility would be that the remaining
ascorbic acid made the solution acid enough to make the colloid
unstable.  I need to test and see if I neutralize the free acid if the
same thing happens.

Marshall

poast wrote:


Hello Marshall,

3 days ago I put a pinch of ascorbic acid in some EIS and have
  

stored
this
  

solution in a white 250 ml HDPE bottle.  I took the lid off this
  

morning
and
  

noticed that some of the silver had precipitated out.  I shook the
  

bottle
  

and it went back into solution.

There wasn't a large quantity, but against the white bottom it was
  

evident
  

that there was some.

I am using the SG6.  My EIS comes out at around 15 uS, then settles
  

down
to
  

about 11.5 uS in a few days.

Tom
  



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CS>liposomal Vit C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Just to say I've made my first batch of proper LET Vit C.  I put the DW and 
lecithin granules into my Magic Bullet and it *completely* dissolved it--there 
wasn't *one* granule to be seen!  Then I dissolved a teaspoon of sodium 
ascorbate into half a cup of water and then put the whole lot into the sonic 
cleaner.  I bought this on ebay and it was only £20 plus postage and it is 
brilliant!  It runs in three minute intervals so I put it on for 6 minutes as 
this was what Brookes suggested and it came out perfect.  Hardly any foam at 
all and that has gone since it is standing in the fridge--and so far, no 
separation at all.  I'll let you know how it works out.  dee

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RE: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[Norton, Steve]

Tom,
What was the color of your solution before and after adding ascorbic
acid? Did the color change after the precipitated occurred?
Thanks,
Steve N

-Original Message-
From: poast [mailto:po...@prodigy.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:10 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

Hello Marshall,

Some additional information...

My EIS ends up with a PH of 6.5.  The solution that I added the ascorbic
acid to ended up with a PH of 3.5.

I know that some reactions are sensitive to PH, so an idea would be to
pick
a PH target and add only as much ascorbic acid as is needed to reduce
the PH
of the solution to the target value.

I used a "pinch" of ascorbic acid in 250 ml of EIS.  I have measuring
spoons
that measure a drop, smidgen, pinch, dash, and tad.  In liquid
measurement a
pinch is 0.3125 ml.  I just measured a pinch of ascorbic acid and it
came in
at 0.31 grams.

Too much?  Too little?  Normal reaction?

Tom


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS


> That is some good information.  I was wondering if the addition of
> ascorbic acid would cause 1 and 2 atom colloid, or if it would
> precipitate out on the particles that are already there, that
indicates
> that at least some of them precipitate out on other particles making
the
> rather large.  The other possibility would be that the remaining
> ascorbic acid made the solution acid enough to make the colloid
> unstable.  I need to test and see if I neutralize the free acid if the
> same thing happens.
>
> Marshall
>
> poast wrote:
> > Hello Marshall,
> >
> > 3 days ago I put a pinch of ascorbic acid in some EIS and have
stored
this
> > solution in a white 250 ml HDPE bottle.  I took the lid off this
morning
and
> > noticed that some of the silver had precipitated out.  I shook the
bottle
> > and it went back into solution.
> >
> > There wasn't a large quantity, but against the white bottom it was
evident
> > that there was some.
> >
> > I am using the SG6.  My EIS comes out at around 15 uS, then settles
down
to
> > about 11.5 uS in a few days.
> >
> > Tom


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Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

poast wrote:

Hello Marshall,

Some additional information...

My EIS ends up with a PH of 6.5.  The solution that I added the ascorbic
acid to ended up with a PH of 3.5.

I know that some reactions are sensitive to PH, so an idea would be to pick
a PH target and add only as much ascorbic acid as is needed to reduce the PH
of the solution to the target value.
  
Actually the target value for the best stability for colloidal silver is 
7.0.

I used a "pinch" of ascorbic acid in 250 ml of EIS.  I have measuring spoons
that measure a drop, smidgen, pinch, dash, and tad.  In liquid measurement a
pinch is 0.3125 ml.  I just measured a pinch of ascorbic acid and it came in
at 0.31 grams.

Too much?  Too little?  Normal reaction?
  
Well, let's see.  If you have 8 oz of 10 ppm CS, and 90% of that is 
ionic, you would need the same molar quantity to react with it of 
ascorbic acid b(I think this is a valid assumption). That would be 
8*10*.9/(108 (108 is the molecular weight of silver) mol.  Since 
citric acid has a molecular weight of 192, that would require that 
amount to be multiplied by 192 which gives .0128 ounce of ascorbic acid, 
which equals 0.36288 grams.


That yours ended up with that low of a pH requires some rethinking.  We 
have approximately the same proportion of both Ag2O2 and AgOH.  If it 
only takes one molecule of ascorbic acid to break apart Ag2O2, then that 
would mean you only need half as much for that part, or in general only 
75% of what I figured above.  this works out to .272 grams.


Now if you actually used less ascorbic acid, the pH may still be low due 
to the following possibilities:


1. Any absorbed CO2 is released and becomes carbonic acid.
2. Ascorbic acid may act as a catalyst instead of getting involved in 
the reaction.


Good research, we need to keep trying things.

Marshall

Tom


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS


  

That is some good information.  I was wondering if the addition of
ascorbic acid would cause 1 and 2 atom colloid, or if it would
precipitate out on the particles that are already there, that indicates
that at least some of them precipitate out on other particles making the
rather large.  The other possibility would be that the remaining
ascorbic acid made the solution acid enough to make the colloid
unstable.  I need to test and see if I neutralize the free acid if the
same thing happens.

Marshall

poast wrote:


Hello Marshall,

3 days ago I put a pinch of ascorbic acid in some EIS and have stored
  

this
  

solution in a white 250 ml HDPE bottle.  I took the lid off this morning
  

and
  

noticed that some of the silver had precipitated out.  I shook the
  

bottle
  

and it went back into solution.

There wasn't a large quantity, but against the white bottom it was
  

evident
  

that there was some.

I am using the SG6.  My EIS comes out at around 15 uS, then settles down
  

to
  

about 11.5 uS in a few days.

Tom
  



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Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS

[poast]

Hello Marshall,

Some additional information...

My EIS ends up with a PH of 6.5.  The solution that I added the ascorbic
acid to ended up with a PH of 3.5.

I know that some reactions are sensitive to PH, so an idea would be to pick
a PH target and add only as much ascorbic acid as is needed to reduce the PH
of the solution to the target value.

I used a "pinch" of ascorbic acid in 250 ml of EIS.  I have measuring spoons
that measure a drop, smidgen, pinch, dash, and tad.  In liquid measurement a
pinch is 0.3125 ml.  I just measured a pinch of ascorbic acid and it came in
at 0.31 grams.

Too much?  Too little?  Normal reaction?

Tom


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Making 100% colloidal EIS


> That is some good information.  I was wondering if the addition of
> ascorbic acid would cause 1 and 2 atom colloid, or if it would
> precipitate out on the particles that are already there, that indicates
> that at least some of them precipitate out on other particles making the
> rather large.  The other possibility would be that the remaining
> ascorbic acid made the solution acid enough to make the colloid
> unstable.  I need to test and see if I neutralize the free acid if the
> same thing happens.
>
> Marshall
>
> poast wrote:
> > Hello Marshall,
> >
> > 3 days ago I put a pinch of ascorbic acid in some EIS and have stored
this
> > solution in a white 250 ml HDPE bottle.  I took the lid off this morning
and
> > noticed that some of the silver had precipitated out.  I shook the
bottle
> > and it went back into solution.
> >
> > There wasn't a large quantity, but against the white bottom it was
evident
> > that there was some.
> >
> > I am using the SG6.  My EIS comes out at around 15 uS, then settles down
to
> > about 11.5 uS in a few days.
> >
> > Tom


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Re: CS>Re: Stainless

[Ode Coyote]

  The flavor is probably due to the iron..some stainless will eventually 
rust a little bit.

Could also be stuff absorbed out of the air. DW is a very good solvent.
And could even be that you taste the iron in your own blood in the absence 
of other flavors, whereas some mineral salts might fill those spots.

The inside interacts with the outside.
Tongues are all different from person to person, even day to day.
You'll find that some foods will coat the buds and change the flavor of CS 
rather dramatically.


Flavor is like color, there are only a few of them [4?] that in combination 
makes distinct shades of flavor, nuanced by smell.
"Metallic" isn't one of them...it's an interpretation of a combination. 
[Maybe even a detection of micro electrical currents..ie ..ions exchanging 
electrons around ]
Being chemically sensitive, your interpretation may well be very 
different  from someone  who isn't.


Ode



At 01:03 PM 3/16/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Ode,

Thanks for the clarification on washing boards with distilled water.
My friend was working for Celestica at the time (about 10 years ago)
and he was dealing with the assembly of Sun and Cisco boards, which I
presume are all surface mount. He definitely said that distilled water
was corrosive for their purposes but maybe there's more to the story.

Maybe the amount of solubility of metals is very low but there's a
definite metallic taste when distilled water sits in metal pots. I've
tried both magnetic and non-magnetic stainless steel so it may not be
nickel that's the issue. However I am chemically sensitive so this may
not be something that most people notice. I should clarify that adding
salt just mitigates the reaction enough that I could drink a half cup
of reheated water but it doesn't eliminate the reaction totally.
Heating up food in the same metal pots with added distilled water
doesn't pose anywhere near as much a problem, so this is why I believe
it relates to the reactivity of water.

I read somewhere that the metallic taste imparted to water is one
reason why some tea drinkers use borosilicate glass kettles and
strainers. I haven't had the opportunity to test that myself.

Jay

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
>
>
>  Distilled water is used to wash the tap water water off boards which 
washed
> off the water soluble flux used because it doesn't leave mineral water 
spots

> behind when it evaporates.
>  It doesn't stay on there long enough to corrode anything.
>  You most certainly don't want salt crystals left behind on the PCB because
> salt absorbs water out of the air, is conductive and will  electrolytically
> make hash out of the circuits when run, very quickly. [Not to mention a lot
> of cross talk between high impedence chip and transistor inputs ]
>
> The toxic flux removers like carbon tetrachloride are for petroleum based
> salamoniac rosin core fluxes which haven't been used since the advent 
of the

> flow solder machine...except for the hand assembled parts that won't stand
> the heat.
> Plain old Coleman stove fuel works pretty good [Naptha]  or a shot of carb
> cleaner.
>
>  Now, with robot assembled surface mount tech, the flux only goes where 
it's

> needed and the boards aren't washed as there is no excess to wash.
>
>  I've manufactured many thousands of PCBs since 1970 in all the stages and
> still spend many hours a day populating them...old through hole tech and
> completing new robotic surface mount.
>
> The makers of stainless pots say DON'T leave salt water in a pot as that
> will pit the surface.
> Distilled water only sucks up soluble minerals and metallic nickel 
ain't one

> of them.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> At 08:01 PM 3/15/2010 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> I will react to distilled water that is heated in any metal container
>> or sits in it too long, unless something is mixed in. A few grains of
>> sea salt is enough to stop this from happening.
>>
>> Pure distilled water is fairly corrosive to metals. A friend who used
>> to work in process engineering at one of the biggest circuit board
>> assembly companies told me that distilled water is sometimes used to
>> wash the boards after assembly but it is less desirable than other
>> (toxic) solvents because of its corrosive nature.
>>
>> I don't have problems if the distilled water is stored in glass or
>> certain hard plastics. Anything that has a silicon gasket causes me
>> problems, even if it isn't immersed in the water. However this only
>> applies to storing water after distillation, not during/before because
>> my distiller does have a silicon gasket in the chamber, and I don't
>> react to it.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:00 PM, sol  wrote:
>> > Harvey Metzler wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sol:
>> >>
>> >> Distillation is distillation.
>> >
>> > Harvey,
>> > Yeah, I know. I'm just super worried about it, because I have such
>> > severe
>> > reactions.-
>> >>
>> >> Stainless, nickel etc will stay behind in the bottom of the still just
>> >> l

Re: CS>FW: Distiller (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Ode Coyote]

  If you're scouring the SS, that will make some of everything available 
as micro particulates ground into micro pores in the metals 
surface...together with body acids to ionize them...who knows?

 You are also removing the "pacified" layer.
Distilled water will absorb CO2 pretty fast, making carbonic acid..a little 
Sulphur Dioxide gas in the air?  Sulfuric acid. [onions are loaded with 
it.  It's the Sulphur Dioxide gas contacting the water in your eyes making 
Sulfuric acid that makes you cry ]


 Skin is naturally acid and changes all the time.
Ozone production and nitric acid have some sort of relationship too.
So, if you have eaten onions on a high ozone day and come into contact with 
nickel, is the allergic reaction worse?


Since hypnotism a can alleviate many allergies, that shows that it's often 
a mental response telling the body to react to a stimulus in a manner 
unrelated to the actual stimulus.
 For a while there, I'd get heart beat skips every time I saw the color 
yellow on the road...from driving tractor trailers around school busses. 
[conditioned to be "allergic" to yellow with a squashed and roasted kiddies 
element in the associative mix.  A yellow bus stops on a dime right in the 
middle of the road and 9,800 gallons of gasoline doesn't. ]


ode


At 11:11 AM 3/16/2010 -0600, you wrote:

Ode Coyote wrote:



  Nickel is famous for its resistance to corrosion.
 That and chromium, also quite resistant to corrosion, is what makes 
stainless steel stainless.

What makes you think that it's getting into the water?
I don't, really, I'm just nervous of it because my reactions to nickel are 
so bad.


 About the only thing that will break down SS is a mix of sulfuric and 
nitric acid and maybe boiling salt water to a much lessor degree..and 
salt because it leaches out the iron.
SS that's been "pacified" BY leaching out the iron on the surface is 
virtually impervious to any environmental insult.
Well, I can only repeat I was having constant reactions, that were cut 
about in half when I got rid of all my SS cookware and tableware. It 
wasn't overnight, but I gradually became less reactive over a period of 2 
or 3 months after ditching the SS. I have to go by my personal experience 
and this is a typical time frame for me to recover after having a constant 
low grade intake of an allergen. And despite SS industry claims, I  have 
read many places that SS cookware DOES leach nickel, particularly if the 
cookware has been scoured, which mine had been scoured regularly since SS 
sticks like a dir** bas, LOL.

sol


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Re: CS>Atten: Arthur Rambo

[arthur rambo]

Hi Mary, yes, the solution was 50/50, kept together in one small bottle, only 
put on bandaid pad and applied to the one nail.  I look forward to hearing 
about your success. 





From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 5:56:44 PM
Subject: CS>Atten: Arthur Rambo


Hi Arthur.  I now have my products, and have mixed the DMSO and Atomodine -- 
and am ready to solve my problem.  Since this conversation took place in 
November, I now have a fungal infection on my left thumb too!!  I'm ready to be 
done with this!!  

Just want to clarify -- you mixed the DMSO and Atomodine and then used this to 
wet the pad on a bandaid, and then placed over the toenail.  Do I have this 
correct?  You didn't apply further down -- to the cuticle, or down to the 
second joint of the toe as some folks have suggested?

Thanks for your help.  I'll keep everyone posted on the results of this.
MA





From: arthur rambo alqui...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 7:45:46 PM



Maryann, the results were immediate. It took as long as a new nail takes to 
grow; can't think of another way to say it. It was a toenail that just all of a 
sudden dropped off. Now, it looks as good as any. All look healthy. (I only put 
the bandaid, with solution, on each night. I didn't wear it during the day





 From: arthur rambo 


I used Atomidine (iodine) with DMSO 50/50, on a bandaid each night. Worked 
beautifully.
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