Re: CSMy first post
Hi David, Looking at your list below makes me wonder how alkaline you are. Alkalysing is not the total answer but it can be one of the serious blocks to health recovery. If and when you get it right you should have more energy, better oxygen transfer to tissues and better waste transport from tissues. OK, Tony On 26 Aug 2010 at 18:42, David AuBuchon wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMy first post I tested negative for KPU actually. I like Dr. K a lot and follow his talks, etc. I actually saw Scott in my Lyme doctor's office just 2 weeks ago. Small world! I JUST got off the phone with a Lyme oriented nutritionist and possibly have some answers! Conclusions based on many lab tests: -Severe mineral and amino acid deficiencies -Severe flouride poisining -Heavy metal poisoning -selenoarsenate poisoning -gall stones!! (wth...I'm only 25) -sluggish kidneys - a long standing virus and a parasite that have not yet been identified This is in addition to the bugs I already know about! (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma ,and babesia [could be the parasite]) HOLY THIS AND THAT! ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Subject: Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro From: d...@deetroy.org Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:59:28 +0100 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I got mine on ebay. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 15:34, Dianne France wrote: Where can you purchase food grade hydrogen peroxide? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:22 -0500 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Questions!
You'd probably contaminate it if you ran it through a filter. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 23:17, needling around wrote: Hi, Are you starting with distilled water? If you are, why are you filtering your CS? I've only been doing it for a couple of months and I am using a silverpuppy and I have never had to run the CS through a filter. Maybe some of the 'oldsters' will comment :-) PT - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:54 PM Subject: CSCS Questions! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSother therapies
Hi, Stripping a long message is a good idea but when there is so much activity on a list like there is with this one would it be possible to leave enough of the message you are responding to so we know what the message is in response to??? There is lots of great information in this message but I have no context at all... :-) Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:55 PM Subject: CSother therapies There are so many very good alt therapies out there!! Have you looked into the Beck Protocol?Or electricity in general for healing?? The Yahoo group called microelectricitygermkiller has info on nearly every disease condition known to man and some very, very inexpensive and very, very effective little homemade (read cheap) devices. The files are a treasure trove for you. And electricity works. A site named, I think, www.rawfoodworld.com has some of the original Don Croft devices for sale for less than $35.00. They are great, especially for the money. They are great anyway, regardless of the money. And don't forget the chemical side of things. Vitamin D3 can cure a lot of things by itself, but it will help with every single thing. Swamp critters--the bell tolls for thee!! And EFT, strange though it seems, can do things that will knock your socks off and leave you sockless and speechless. Anyway, don't give up. You have just scratched the surface. You can get well. Or so close that life will be a pleasure and not just something to endure. Best wishes to you. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution
...and why do you believe it's ionic copper and not a dissolved compound of copper? ...like maybe copper citrate. [Does it matter?] Ode At 08:41 AM 8/26/2010 -0500, you wrote: Ahhh but I can buy it if I have to:) Annie On 8/25/2010 6:21 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: I've not been able to make ionic copper..only colloidal. Ode At 02:58 PM 8/24/2010 -0500, you wrote: If I have some previously prepared ionic copper, can I just add the citric acid like with the silver? Or will that not work the same? Annie On 8/7/2010 1:00 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Just buy a short piece of electrical copper wire used for house wiring. It has a high purity. - Steve N - Original Message - From: AnnieBSmytheanniebsmy...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Aug 07 12:50:22 2010 Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution Steve, where can I find the right copper electrodes, please? Annie On 8/4/2010 3:50 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Here is a method following the patent's described process: Put 1/8 to1/4 cup of citric acid in 1 liter of water. Run current through silver electrodes in the citric acid same as you would for colloidal silver until you reach 50 ppm. Use the Faraday calculator (see below) to estimate the silver ppm. You will get higher currents if you do not have a current limiter due to the high conductivity of the citric acid solution but that is not a problem because the silver ions bind quickly with the citric acid to form silver citrate, e.g. no agglomeration problems. Add potassium carbonate, to get a pH of 5.5. Replace the silver electrodes with copper electrodes and do the same till you get the desired concentration (400 ppm) of copper citrate. Then adjust the pH of the solution to between 2.5 and 3.5 using additional citric acid. The Faraday calculator is available at: http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html. To use the Faraday calculator you will need a digital multi-meter to measure the current passing through the electrodes. This link shows how to measure the current: http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm. For this application two 9 volt batteries wired to the electrodes will be ok to use since current limiting is not an issue. For the copper electrodes just use any copper wire. I make silver citrate regularly and it is very easy. If you are in a hurry and have a local beer/wine makers supply store you should be able to get citric acid and potassium carbonate there, although maybe not at the lowest price. I am not sure that the potassium carbonate is necessary but it is in the formula used in the patent. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution Steve, Thank you for that 'recipe' for the MRSA treatment solution. Is it possible for you to post a 'neighborhood' type formula for this? I am not familiar with many of the things you mention so a simplified version will be very greatly appreciated. I am intending to try to use 3 nine volt batteries in series instead of my cs generator. Do you think that will work? If my questions reflect so much ignorance that my situation is hopeless, then please ignore this. Since MRSA reportedly killed more people last year than did AIDs, then it seems to me that this Cu,Ag,citrate solution should be in everyone's grasp. I can make the CS, have the citric acid, copper wires, and can do the ph, but cannot get proper ppm measurements. Anyhow, thanks for plowing through this. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
If by reservoir you mean container [generator cell]It will take longer than ten as all that water will take longer on the conductivity rise or ramp up to current curve to get going If the cell size stays the same and a separate container feeds it, then about double the time for double the water, given the same water. The ramp up time can vary by many hours with only slight variations in the water, so here I assume ten hours to be a conversational artifact rather than a real time span unless you are buffering the water to be the same every time or the generation cell is quite small and is mostly stuffed with electrode. If not, time is nearly meaningless and it takes as long as it takes. If the generator is not designed to stop runaway at some point with current control, you have no idea what it will do over any time span unless the water is always the exact same...and it never is. Even the same water doesn't stay that way for very long. A degree of temperature change, changes it, among other things. Ode At 11:41 AM 8/26/2010 -0400, you wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
Then linear time is completely irrelevant on all counts. Everything is on an exponential curve and you have no idea where you started on it. If you had a meter and plotted progress for a few batches, you'd know that. Given the same water at the same temperature etc, doubling the size of the batch will more than double the time it takes. How much more depends on how pure the water is. If you start on the flat end of the curve with very pure water, it could take many many hours longer than double. The oft told formula 1 PPM per minute is utter hooey. That's [more like] X PPM per minute, per minute [per minute, per ounce?] ...the green line http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth If you start at 1 [say uS conductivity], it takes 9 units of time [say hours] to get to 1000 [say 10] If you start at 8 it takes 2 units of time to get to 1000 ...probably over simplified and inexact and assuming something about physics and volume that might not be true, but for illustration... Double the volume, starting at 1 and it takes 36 [??] units of time to get to 1000 [at least 18 ] Starting at 8, that's 4 [plus a little bit] units of time to get to 1000 Making CSthat 1000 would be 10 or 20, whatever your target is PPM [..actually, units of conductivity as we can't measure PPM] but the time calculations hold [whatever they actually are, given that I made an assumption that volume makes things exponential too] So, depending on the water quality, you get *at least* a 16 time unit difference on the low [pure] end and only a bit over twice the time unit difference on the higher [not so pure] end of a starting point, when you double the volume. Ode At 12:40 PM 8/26/2010 -0400, you wrote: A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html Ode At 06:50 PM 8/26/2010 +0100, you wrote: Have you got that link Ode--the one which illustrates what happens to CS when H202 is added? thanks. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 10:00, Ode Coyote wrote: I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSusing electricity for healing - Part 2
How do you expect to look like a hero if you tell the captain how long it will REALLY take to replace the Dilithium Crystals ? [Scotty] Ode At 11:32 AM 8/26/2010 -0500, you wrote: If you overlook the obvious and complicate the simple, you get a new research grant. Okay I am not sure if that makes me want to laugh or cry. Because it is too true. Jaxi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSother therapies
Using electricity on your bod, IS the chemical side of things. ode At 07:55 PM 8/26/2010 -0700, you wrote: There are so many very good alt therapies out there!! Have you looked into the Beck Protocol?Or electricity in general for healing?? The Yahoo group called microelectricitygermkiller has info on nearly every disease condition known to man and some very, very inexpensive and very, very effective little homemade (read cheap) devices. The files are a treasure trove for you. And electricity works. A site named, I think, www.rawfoodworld.com has some of the original Don Croft devices for sale for less than $35.00. They are great, especially for the money. They are great anyway, regardless of the money. And don't forget the chemical side of things. Vitamin D3 can cure a lot of things by itself, but it will help with every single thing. Swamp critters--the bell tolls for thee!! And EFT, strange though it seems, can do things that will knock your socks off and leave you sockless and speechless. Anyway, don't give up. You have just scratched the surface. You can get well. Or so close that life will be a pleasure and not just something to endure. Best wishes to you. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Which one out of how many? Mostly, I've been discussing the chemical similarities between MMS and Zapping. Very little about Sodium Chlorite .if I saved everything, I'd not be able to find anything. ode At 04:02 PM 8/26/2010 -0230, you wrote: Hi Ode you posted some information on Sodium Chlorite a while ago..Can you post it again.. I lost my copy.. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 06:30 Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!! I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode At 05:00 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote: I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so hopefully he will jump in here. dee On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Questions!
At 02:54 PM 8/26/2010 -0700, you wrote: Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. 1. Ions in solution: I've read that ionic silver is in pure water is saturated at 13.3PPM. I have also read that there are not ions in the solution, but a combination of silver oxide and silverhydroxide, and that each has roughly 13PPM saturation point, so the total ionic silver could get as high as 26PPM. This conflicts with the idea that only 13.3 can be reached. Can anyone explain what the ions are actually doing in solution? Why wouldn't people brew up to 26 PPM if that were the case. Three. silver ions, silver oxide and silver hydroxide in solution at pretty low concentrations. Then OH anions probably also adding conductivity. 2. Filtering: I use 2 layered white coffee filters to filter my CS. I read filtering may cause particles to clump together, which I guess is called agglomeration. Is this really an issue? Also, I don't immediately trash the filters. I let them sit in the funnel and if they still look clean, I use them next time. Sometimes they turn weird colors. What is up with that? Silver ions oxidize into silver oxides when the water is removed. Settle and decant is far superior to any filter you can reasonably get. 3. Charred anode: Why does the anode turn black and look charred after brewing a batch. Is that just the color of silver that is no longer smooth, but roughed up? ## Oxygen produced by electrolysis oxidizes some of the silver ions in that electrodes Nernst Diffusion layer, sticks to that electrode surface and never leaves it. If you overload that diffusion layer with too much current, the oxides will also form in the water as a Golden Mist 4. Sparklies: I think my particle size is real good, and the maker of the gen measured it at 2 to 4 nanometers at CSL. Still it sometimes looks slightly yellow, which makes me worry I am not clean enough in my process, and I am getting large particles. I can see a faint tyndall with a laser pointer in pitch black. In the stream of red light, I can see a tiny flash a light here and there that looks like a tiny dust particle shining in the sunlight while blowing through the air. They are by no means able to be isolated. Are these the same thing as what people call sparklies? Is that an indication of large particles? ## There is no *one* particle size and since they don't have much of a charge, many things contribute to collisions and clumping at random as well as crystal growth in super saturation...plus crap falling off the electrodes. 5. Argyria: FYI, I think I have a mild sign of argyria. Only in the roof of my mouth their is a grayish area. I keep an eye on it. ## Unless you spend time upside down open mouth gaping at the sun...not likely. [And I prefer keeping my eyes in their sockets ] 6. Making CS more effective: I read that 1 drop of 35% food grade H2O2 per 8 oz of CS can break up particles into diatomic size particles! Is this for real? If this is the case, then what does it matter what kind of generator is used? After adding H2O2, it all ends up the same right? In fact, if you brew to a very high PPM (which would tend to get larger particles), that may actually allow more mass of silver to ultimately end up in the solution after treating it with H2O2. From that standpoint, a bad generator might be best! How do you know you've used enough H2O2? Is it more effective because of the new small particles or for some other reason? I have had IV H202 with no effect. Also, diatomic particles would be smaller than mesosilver? ## No one but Frank knows what meso silver is and H2O2 does different things to different structures at different times over different time periods at different concentrations. Particles covers a lot of diverse acreage, descriptions usually simplified and warped beyond belief to sell something as a whole that's really only a part...to make it *look* special. Ode FYI, I use a generator that runs on 2 double A batteries. Very very tiny current. Takes 2.5 days to brew a quart to about 12PPM. Thanks, ~David p.s. the digest mode hurts my foggy brain, and now I am trying individual email subscription. I guess I am spoiled using yahoo groups were you don't need to get emails. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re:CSMy first post - selenium
At 4 oz a day, you are at the max daily amount I would take for 10 ppm CS. Personally, at that amount I would use the selenomethionine form of selenium. Do you know that the selenium you are taking is not selenomethionine? Taking the selenium at a different time helps in that it prevents the selenium from complexing with the silver in the digestive tract. If they did complex in the digestive tract, the selenium/silver complex would just pass on out in the feces. But the amount of CS you are taking (at 10 ppm) is around the maximum amount the liver can excrete in a day. (I know about the Altman study that indicates that most of the silver in EIS is excreted by the kidney. But the info is misleading if you do not really understand EIS in vivo and how different forms of silver are excreted by the body. But it is somewhat complex and I do not want to get into that here.) So the chances of selenium and silver complexing is significant and I would use selenomethionine to avoid it. Just FYI, I personally only supplement with selenomethionine. Many forms of selenium complexes with silver but selenomethionine is the only form I have study data on that indicates it does not complex with silver. Below I provide some info on selenium and silver. - Steve N Hepatobiliary transport and organ distribution of silver in the rat as influenced by selenite. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7292506 Bile from rats injected with 110mAgNO3 (1 micromol/kg) were fractionated on Sephadex G-15 revealing binding of silver to one high molecular weight substance and one low molecular weight substance eluting corresponding to the void volume and glutathione (GSH) respectively. Fractionation of AgNO3 and GSH mixed in vitro gave rise to a polynuclear complex and a 1 : 1 complex of Ag+-GSH which both eluted corresponding to silver in bile. Depletion of GSH in the liver by diethylmaleate (3.9 mmol/kg) caused a parallel decrease in the biliary excretion of both silver and reduced GSH. These findings support the hypothesis that silver is excreted into bile by a GSH-dependent mechanism most likely using GSH as a carrier molecule. Selenite (1 micromol/kg) inhibited the biliary excretion of silver while AgNO3 (1 mumol/kg) did not influence the excretion of selenium into bile. Pretreatment with selenite (1 micromol/kg) also caused a retention of silver (AgNO3, 1 micromol/kg) in the blood, kidney and brain. The liver content of silver was decreased and the organ to plasma ratio of silver was unchanged for erythrocytes, but decreased for the brain, kidney and liver, respectively. The effects caused by selenite are attributed to the formation of Ag2Se complexes which are nearly water insoluble and probably unavailable for biliary excretion. Selenium metabolites (GSSeSG, GSSeH) which are excreted into bile are probably not available for complexing with Ag+. [I will try and simplify the text above: 1. Silver (in solution) is excreted in the bile by using glutathione (GSH) as a carrier molecule. 2. Selenite, a form of selenium, inhibits the excretion of silver while silver does not influence the excretion of selenium into bile. 3. Selenite causes the retention of silver in the blood, kidney and brain. 4. The effects above are caused by silver-selenium complexes that are nearly water insoluble and probably unavailable for biliary excretion. 5. Ergo, selenium reduces the excretion of silver and causes retention in the blood and tissues.] Toxicological Profile for Silver http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp146-c2.pdf The deposition of silver in the kidney was increased under conditions of high selenium exposure. This may be important in the development of argyria in people exposed to silver who ingest foods that contain large amounts of selenium. It should be noted that selenium plays a dual role in the toxicity of silver. On the one hand, it increases the silver deposition rate in body tissues, which suggests that humans exposed to both high selenium and high silver may be more likely to develop argyria. On the other hand, a Selenium deficient diet combined with high silver intake can cause liver necrosis. As I mentioned, the selenomethionine form of selenium does not cause an accumulation of silver in the tissues and still provides the necessary support of the liver. That is documented in the following study: Agricultural and Biological Chemistry, Vol.47 Bioavailability of Selenite, Selenomethionine and Selenocystine in Rats with Silver Loading To view study select the full text abstract at: http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/english/jnlabstract_en.php?cdjournal =bbb1961cdvol=47noissue=4startpage=807 Nevertheless, selenomethionine was the most effective for synthesis of glutathione perioxidase in the rat liver with silver. This is presumably because selenomethionine would be hard to combine with accumulating silver in the liver unless metabolized. Silver in solution is excreted in the bile by using
Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium
Thanks, Steve. I just checked and it is selenomethionine. I take 200 mcg at dinnertime. So I will keep my level around 4 oz/day unless I get sick and need to increase it short term. I appreciate the assistance. PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re:CSMy first post - selenium At 4 oz a day, you are at the max daily amount I would take for 10 ppm CS. Personally, at that amount I would use the selenomethionine form of selenium. Do you know that the selenium you are taking is not selenomethionine? Taking the selenium at a different time helps in that it prevents the selenium from complexing with the silver in the digestive tract. If they did complex in the digestive tract, the selenium/silver complex would just pass on out in the feces. But the amount of CS you are taking (at 10 ppm) is around the maximum amount the liver can excrete in a day. (I know about the Altman study that indicates that most of the silver in EIS is excreted by the kidney. But the info is misleading if you do not really understand EIS in vivo and how different forms of silver are excreted by the body. But it is somewhat complex and I do not want to get into that here.) So the chances of selenium and silver complexing is significant and I would use selenomethionine to avoid it. Just FYI, I personally only supplement with selenomethionine. Many forms of selenium complexes with silver but selenomethionine is the only form I have study data on that indicates it does not complex with silver. Below I provide some info on selenium and silver. - Steve N Hepatobiliary transport and organ distribution of silver in the rat as influenced by selenite. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7292506 Bile from rats injected with 110mAgNO3 (1 micromol/kg) were fractionated on Sephadex G-15 revealing binding of silver to one high molecular weight substance and one low molecular weight substance eluting corresponding to the void volume and glutathione (GSH) respectively. Fractionation of AgNO3 and GSH mixed in vitro gave rise to a polynuclear complex and a 1 : 1 complex of Ag+-GSH which both eluted corresponding to silver in bile. Depletion of GSH in the liver by diethylmaleate (3.9 mmol/kg) caused a parallel decrease in the biliary excretion of both silver and reduced GSH. These findings support the hypothesis that silver is excreted into bile by a GSH-dependent mechanism most likely using GSH as a carrier molecule. Selenite (1 micromol/kg) inhibited the biliary excretion of silver while AgNO3 (1 mumol/kg) did not influence the excretion of selenium into bile. Pretreatment with selenite (1 micromol/kg) also caused a retention of silver (AgNO3, 1 micromol/kg) in the blood, kidney and brain. The liver content of silver was decreased and the organ to plasma ratio of silver was unchanged for erythrocytes, but decreased for the brain, kidney and liver, respectively. The effects caused by selenite are attributed to the formation of Ag2Se complexes which are nearly water insoluble and probably unavailable for biliary excretion. Selenium metabolites (GSSeSG, GSSeH) which are excreted into bile are probably not available for complexing with Ag+. [I will try and simplify the text above: 1. Silver (in solution) is excreted in the bile by using glutathione (GSH) as a carrier molecule. 2. Selenite, a form of selenium, inhibits the excretion of silver while silver does not influence the excretion of selenium into bile. 3. Selenite causes the retention of silver in the blood, kidney and brain. 4. The effects above are caused by silver-selenium complexes that are nearly water insoluble and probably unavailable for biliary excretion. 5. Ergo, selenium reduces the excretion of silver and causes retention in the blood and tissues.] Toxicological Profile for Silver http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp146-c2.pdf The deposition of silver in the kidney was increased under conditions of high selenium exposure. This may be important in the development of argyria in people exposed to silver who ingest foods that contain large amounts of selenium. It should be noted that selenium plays a dual role in the toxicity of silver. On the one hand, it increases the silver deposition rate in body tissues, which suggests that humans exposed to both high selenium and high silver may be more likely to develop argyria. On the other hand, a Selenium deficient diet combined with high silver intake can cause liver necrosis. As I mentioned, the selenomethionine form of selenium does not cause an accumulation of silver in the tissues and still provides the necessary support of the liver. That is documented in the following study: Agricultural and Biological Chemistry, Vol.47 Bioavailability of Selenite, Selenomethionine and Selenocystine in Rats with Silver Loading To view study select the full text abstract at:
Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium
I eat about 5 Brazil nuts a day to get my selenium...wonder where that leaves me in the scheme of things? Best regards, Sandy --- On Fri, 8/27/10, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:34 AM Thanks, Steve. I just checked and it is selenomethionine. I take 200 mcg at dinnertime. So I will keep my level around 4 oz/day unless I get sick and need to increase it short term. I appreciate the assistance. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re:CSMy first post - selenium
Brazil nuts contain mostly selenomethionine. See:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf0256541
Characterization of Selenium Species in Brazil Nuts by HPLC−ICP-MS and ES-MS
Extracts are evaluated against available standards for the commercially
obtainable seleno-amino acids, selenomethionine (SeMet), selenoethionine
(SeEt), and selenocystine (SeCys); selenomethionine was demonstrated to be the
most abundant of these seleno-amino acids. Further characterization of
unidentified selenium-containing peaks is attempted by the employment of
several procedures, including electrospray-mass spectrometry (ES-MS). A peptide
structure was identified; however, this was considered a tentative proposal due
to the large background produced by the extremely complicated brazil nut
matrix.
Plus, this would be an issue only if you take large amounts of CS regularly.
- Steve N
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Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:29 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium
I eat about 5 Brazil nuts a day to get my selenium...wonder where that leaves
me in the scheme of things?
Best regards,
Sandy
--- On Fri, 8/27/10, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote:
From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:34 AM
Thanks, Steve. I just checked
and it is selenomethionine. I take 200 mcg at
dinnertime. So I will keep my level around 4 oz/day
unless I get sick and need to increase it short term.
I appreciate the assistance.
PT
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CSanti-microbial???
Hi, This is a question for Steve and some of the other chemists on the list... I have read about and been advised to keep my toothbrushes in an antimicrobial between use. The general advise is something like Listerine but I don't really like that so I have used peroxide for a long time. I recently switched to CS. Evidently toothbrushes are *seething* (mild hyperbole) with microbes that just keep reinfecting the mouth and the mouth is one place for focal infections that keep the immune system challenged. My question is, If I mix CS and 3% H2O2 will that increase the germ fighting capability of the liquid or create a whole new chemical that will do something totally different and perhaps not desirable? Thanks for any guidance you can give. PT PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up.
Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium
Welcome Sandy! The kefir babies are growing great!!! :-) PT - Original Message - From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium I eat about 5 Brazil nuts a day to get my selenium...wonder where that leaves me in the scheme of things? Best regards, Sandy --- On Fri, 8/27/10, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:34 AM Thanks, Steve. I just checked and it is selenomethionine. I take 200 mcg at dinnertime. So I will keep my level around 4 oz/day unless I get sick and need to increase it short term. I appreciate the assistance. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Questions!
David AuBuchon wrote: Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. 1. Ions in solution: I've read that ionic silver is in pure water is saturated at 13.3PPM. Silver oxide has a solubility of approximately 13 ppm. Pure silver is insoluble. I have also read that there are not ions in the solution, but a combination of silver oxide and silverhydroxide, and that each has roughly 13PPM saturation point, Silver oxide and silver hydroxide dissolve ionically, that is the anion and cation separate in the water and both become ions that are free to move about. Thus when dissolved you will have ions, and in fact such a solution is what is referred to as ionic silver. so the total ionic silver could get as high as 26PPM. That is correct. Silver oxide has a solubility of around 13 ppm, and silver hydroxide which has a higher solubility limit is limited because the two continually convert from one to the other and back again. Thus the silver oxide sets the upper limit of solubility for them when equilibrium, and assuming an equilibrium of 1:1, that would set the limit of silver to 26 ppm This conflicts with the idea that only 13.3 can be reached. No it doesn't. That only applies to silver oxide, not total silver. If for instance you added silver citrate or silver acetate, which are also ionic, the solubility would go way up. Can anyone explain what the ions are actually doing in solution? They are moving around due to Browning movement. Why wouldn't people brew up to 26 PPM if that were the case. They do, in fact that is considered pretty well the upper limit. However since solubility is affected by temperature, ph and other physical factors, we normally recommend stopping at around 20 so there is a little head room. 2. Filtering: I use 2 layered white coffee filters to filter my CS. I read filtering may cause particles to clump together, which I guess is called agglomeration. Is this really an issue? Yes it is. If the aggregate then the become bigger which decreases their effectiveness and stability. Also, I don't immediately trash the filters. I let them sit in the funnel and if they still look clean, I use them next time. Sometimes they turn weird colors. What is up with that? That is a visual sign of the aggregation. Silver particles absorb light depending on the particle size, the smallest in the UV range, the largest in the IR range, and everything in between within different colors of the visible range. 3. Charred anode: Why does the anode turn black and look charred after brewing a batch. Is that just the color of silver that is no longer smooth, but roughed up? Yes it is and can also be some silver oxide depositing. 4. Sparklies: I think my particle size is real good, and the maker of the gen measured it at 2 to 4 nanometers at CSL. Still it sometimes looks slightly yellow, which makes me worry I am not clean enough in my process, and I am getting large particles. I can see a faint tyndall with a laser pointer in pitch black. In the stream of red light, I can see a tiny flash a light here and there that looks like a tiny dust particle shining in the sunlight while blowing through the air. They are by no means able to be isolated. Are these the same thing as what people call sparklies? Is that an indication of large particles? You should be able to see large particles, or sparkles with your necked eye. You are likely seeing some air bubbles. Slight yellow is fine, especially if the Tyndall is weak. 5. Argyria: FYI, I think I have a mild sign of argyria. Only in the roof of my mouth their is a grayish area. I keep an eye on it. That is an odd place for it. It does not normally receive much sunlight there. 6. Making CS more effective: I read that 1 drop of 35% food grade H2O2 per 8 oz of CS can break up particles into diatomic size particles! Is this for real? Yes it is. If this is the case, then what does it matter what kind of generator is used? After adding H2O2, it all ends up the same right? That is certainly possible. However if made improperly you might find much of the silver drops out before you can add the H2O2, so you do have to have at least a minimum level of quality. In fact, if you brew to a very high PPM (which would tend to get larger particles), that may actually allow more mass of silver to ultimately end up in the solution after treating it with H2O2. From that standpoint, a bad generator might be best! How do you know you've used enough H2O2? Is it more effective because of the new small particles or for some other reason? I have had IV H202 with no effect. Also, diatomic particles would be smaller than mesosilver? I think it was Brooks that initially gave us information that the effectiveness was greatly increased by the addition of a little H2O2. Experimentation and theory gave us why.
Re: CSCS Questions!
I agree. Properly made CS should never need to be filtered, and coffee filters are about the worse thing to use for filtering as well. Highly contaminated. Marshall around wrote: Hi, Are you starting with distilled water? If you are, why are you filtering your CS? I've only been doing it for a couple of months and I am using a silverpuppy and I have never had to run the CS through a filter. Maybe some of the 'oldsters' will comment :-) PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSposting
I was hoping the reference to 'swamp critters' would give some reference point since I had already deleted the message before deciding to try to cheer up the poor fellow. He had so many bad disease organisms he felt his body was a swamp. And electricity is not, in my opinion, the chemical side of things altogether. But then I have been known to be wrong. :) pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
thanks for that Ode--brilliant! dee On 27 Aug 2010, at 12:05, Ode Coyote wrote: http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html Ode At 06:50 PM 8/26/2010 +0100, you wrote: Have you got that link Ode--the one which illustrates what happens to CS when H202 is added? thanks. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 10:00, Ode Coyote wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Is that photo of a silver particle still in water? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote: http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html Ode At 06:50 PM 8/26/2010 +0100, you wrote: Have you got that link Ode--the one which illustrates what happens to CS when H202 is added? thanks. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 10:00, Ode Coyote wrote: I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSanti-microbial???
Only works if you actually have a dishwasher. LOL I have been spraying the toothbrush with EIS after every brushing, I spray my razor too. I saturate it and then put it in the holder inside the cabinet. I soak my TMJD splint in 3% H2O2. I am open to learning if there is a better way. I tried putting some H2O2 in EIS last night. It was clear to start and stayed clear but I noticed a lot more large bits of things floating around in it when I got up this morning. I didn't like the look of that. Ideas? Jaxi On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.netwrote: Hi, This is a question for Steve and some of the other chemists on the list... I have read about and been advised to keep my toothbrushes in an antimicrobial between use. The general advise is something like Listerine but I don't really like that so I have used peroxide for a long time. I recently switched to CS. Evidently toothbrushes are *seething* (mild hyperbole) with microbes that just keep reinfecting the mouth and the mouth is one place for focal infections that keep the immune system challenged. My question is, If I mix CS and 3% H2O2 will that increase the germ fighting capability of the liquid or create a whole new chemical that will do something totally different and perhaps not desirable? Thanks for any guidance you can give. PT PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up.
Re:CSMy first post - selenium
Thank you, Steve this is great to know and I so appreciate your researching
efforts. Your post is certainly a keeper and is going into my CS saved files.
;)
I only take small amounts of CS when I feel it's needed.
Best regards as always,
Sandy
--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
Subject: Re:CSMy first post - selenium
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 10:50 AM
Brazil nuts contain mostly
selenomethionine. See:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf0256541
Characterization of Selenium Species in Brazil Nuts by
HPLC−ICP-MS and ES-MS
Extracts are evaluated against available standards for the
commercially obtainable seleno-amino acids, selenomethionine
(SeMet), selenoethionine (SeEt), and selenocystine (SeCys);
selenomethionine was demonstrated to be the most abundant of
these seleno-amino acids. Further characterization of
unidentified selenium-containing peaks is attempted by the
employment of several procedures, including
electrospray-mass spectrometry (ES-MS). A peptide structure
was identified; however, this was considered a tentative
proposal due to the large background produced by the
extremely complicated brazil nut matrix.
Plus, this would be an issue only if you take large amounts
of CS regularly.
- Steve N
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Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium
Hi PT, Thanks and I'm so glad 'our' kefir babies are doing so well. Sandy --- On Fri, 8/27/10, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Re:CSMy first post - selenium To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 10:59 AM Welcome Sandy! The kefir babies are growing great!!! :-) PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSanti-microbial???
In a message dated 8/27/2010 9:09:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes: PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up. I wash the toothbrush then dip it in my EIS mixture to kill all the unwanted bugs after each use. Brickey
RE: CSanti-microbial???
You flatter me; I am not a chemist. I have not tried this. Your question would be better answered by Marshall, Ode or Mike. - Steve N From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSanti-microbial??? Hi, This is a question for Steve and some of the other chemists on the list... I have read about and been advised to keep my toothbrushes in an antimicrobial between use. The general advise is something like Listerine but I don't really like that so I have used peroxide for a long time. I recently switched to CS. Evidently toothbrushes are *seething* (mild hyperbole) with microbes that just keep reinfecting the mouth and the mouth is one place for focal infections that keep the immune system challenged. My question is, If I mix CS and 3% H2O2 will that increase the germ fighting capability of the liquid or create a whole new chemical that will do something totally different and perhaps not desirable? Thanks for any guidance you can give. PT PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up.
Re: CSMy first post
Hi Dave, You might want to consider trying AHT (autohemotherapy) which boosts circulating macrophage levels. There are YouTube videos on the subject. Look for videos of Dr. Moura from Brazil, who is knowledgable in its application. (Portuguese with English subtitles) or...Proboost Thymic Protein A or...Immutol, Transfer Factor, AHCC in powder form (for best price) to modulate/boost immunity also mushroom supplements from Aloha Medicinals or Fungi Perfecti or...Iodoral or Lugol's solution to detox you of other halogens...and bring up your iodine levels while killing some bugs for a while go to Yahoo group - Iodine - or - Iodine Research Clean up the gut and boost mucosal immunityPrimal Defense or other probiotic suitable to you. Make organic milk kefir if you can do dairy. Make water kefir if you can't. Consider the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for several years if your gut's a real mess. Add some concepts from the Body Ecology Diet, if you can. Look up Oil Pulling Echinacea purpea root extracts can boost NK cells ~250% if taken in appropriate amounts often enough. (also can do a lot of other good stuff) Try FIR saunas to help you dump heavy metals and other toxins...also colonics...also zeolite, clay (Living Clay) baths, diatomaceous earth... etc.. Make sure you're getting enough trace minerals...look up Thorvin Icelandic kelp. Read the book, the Immune Restoration Handbook, from the Keep Hope Alive Home Page...(online) Also think of the possibility of autohomeopathytake blood, urine and other available body samples and make a concentrate in a solution of vodka and distilled water. Use that concentrate to make progressively more dilute homeopathic dilutions. Use diabetic syringes of sizes 1 ml. and 0.5 ml to make those dilutions accurately. Over a period of a couple years, while taking only a drop or two sublingually every couple weeks and changing your dilution once a month you might become symptom-free. You might want to give Dr. K's KPU protocol a try regardless of your test results. As mentioned by Janet, false negatives can exist as can faulty methods of sample collection, storage, etc. which can impact the results profoundly. Look up cpsbioresearchllc. Consider an Ultimate Zapper. Try the Salt/C protocol. Lymestrategies Yahoo group. Go easy on the CS if using it longer term...use a nebulizer for more bang with less CS. Try adding a little 99.9% pure DMSO (5 to 10%) to your CS. Don't guzzle your CS (unless your gut needs it for some reason), take it sublingually or in more frequent small amounts by mouth, as often during the day as you think of itinstead of in fewer, large amounts. (Think of pathogen multiplication/replication rates)look up Dr. Fred Klenner's work Improve your antioxidant status with a good resveratrol supplement such as Perfect Resgrape or Flavin 7 Goldalso... sodium ascorbate, liposomal vitamin C, Immunocal or ImuPlus or ImmunoProRX (the last three are all undenatued whey proteins which improve the glutathione conjugation detox pathway and antigen presentation) (brain fog should go and bug populations should plummet) Resveratrol inhibits certain viruses. Try olive leaf tea made in the Crockpot using organic European olive leaves (12 hours on low temp..~175 to 185 degrees) Expect a BIG herx from this! ...easy does it with this stuff. Dr. Zhang Chinese herbs...Buhner herbs Ozone saunas (no medical advice here...just sharing a little of what I've heard around...do your own due diligence with a doc's guidance) God be with you...prayer is always a good idea! Peter - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:02 PM Subject: CSMy first post Hi All, I'm new to this list. I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they all seem pretty dead! This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for! I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS. I am not in the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be. Hence I want to learn, learn, learn.
Re: CSMy first post
Just a quick note - remember dilution is not homeopathic - dilution and succussion is tho. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Peter Converse To: David AuBuchon ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: Re: CSMy first post Hi Dave, You might want to consider trying AHT (autohemotherapy) which boosts circulating macrophage levels. There are YouTube videos on the subject. Look for videos of Dr. Moura from Brazil, who is knowledgable in its application. (Portuguese with English subtitles) or...Proboost Thymic Protein A or...Immutol, Transfer Factor, AHCC in powder form (for best price) to modulate/boost immunity also mushroom supplements from Aloha Medicinals or Fungi Perfecti or...Iodoral or Lugol's solution to detox you of other halogens...and bring up your iodine levels while killing some bugs for a while go to Yahoo group - Iodine - or - Iodine Research Clean up the gut and boost mucosal immunityPrimal Defense or other probiotic suitable to you. Make organic milk kefir if you can do dairy. Make water kefir if you can't. Consider the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for several years if your gut's a real mess. Add some concepts from the Body Ecology Diet, if you can. Look up Oil Pulling Echinacea purpea root extracts can boost NK cells ~250% if taken in appropriate amounts often enough. (also can do a lot of other good stuff) Try FIR saunas to help you dump heavy metals and other toxins...also colonics...also zeolite, clay (Living Clay) baths, diatomaceous earth... etc.. Make sure you're getting enough trace minerals...look up Thorvin Icelandic kelp. Read the book, the Immune Restoration Handbook, from the Keep Hope Alive Home Page...(online) Also think of the possibility of autohomeopathytake blood, urine and other available body samples and make a concentrate in a solution of vodka and distilled water. Use that concentrate to make progressively more dilute homeopathic dilutions. Use diabetic syringes of sizes 1 ml. and 0.5 ml to make those dilutions accurately. Over a period of a couple years, while taking only a drop or two sublingually every couple weeks and changing your dilution once a month you might become symptom-free. You might want to give Dr. K's KPU protocol a try regardless of your test results. As mentioned by Janet, false negatives can exist as can faulty methods of sample collection, storage, etc. which can impact the results profoundly. Look up cpsbioresearchllc. Consider an Ultimate Zapper. Try the Salt/C protocol. Lymestrategies Yahoo group. Go easy on the CS if using it longer term...use a nebulizer for more bang with less CS. Try adding a little 99.9% pure DMSO (5 to 10%) to your CS. Don't guzzle your CS (unless your gut needs it for some reason), take it sublingually or in more frequent small amounts by mouth, as often during the day as you think of itinstead of in fewer, large amounts. (Think of pathogen multiplication/replication rates)look up Dr. Fred Klenner's work Improve your antioxidant status with a good resveratrol supplement such as Perfect Resgrape or Flavin 7 Goldalso... sodium ascorbate, liposomal vitamin C, Immunocal or ImuPlus or ImmunoProRX (the last three are all undenatued whey proteins which improve the glutathione conjugation detox pathway and antigen presentation) (brain fog should go and bug populations should plummet) Resveratrol inhibits certain viruses. Try olive leaf tea made in the Crockpot using organic European olive leaves (12 hours on low temp..~175 to 185 degrees) Expect a BIG herx from this! ...easy does it with this stuff. Dr. Zhang Chinese herbs...Buhner herbs Ozone saunas (no medical advice here...just sharing a little of what I've heard around...do your own due diligence with a doc's guidance) God be with you...prayer is always a good idea! Peter - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:02 PM Subject: CSMy first post Hi All, I'm new to this list. I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they all seem pretty dead! This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for! I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS. I am not in the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be. Hence I want to learn, learn, learn. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00
Re: CSanti-microbial???
PT, Adding 3%H202 to CS will theoretically make the silver particles smaller, or perhaps change them to ionic form. It will not create a new chemical. Of course you should keep your toothbrush clean, but it's best to simply rinse with CS or H202 after brushing. Bob - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: CSanti-microbial??? Hi, This is a question for Steve and some of the other chemists on the list... I have read about and been advised to keep my toothbrushes in an antimicrobial between use. The general advise is something like Listerine but I don't really like that so I have used peroxide for a long time. I recently switched to CS. Evidently toothbrushes are *seething* (mild hyperbole) with microbes that just keep reinfecting the mouth and the mouth is one place for focal infections that keep the immune system challenged. My question is, If I mix CS and 3% H2O2 will that increase the germ fighting capability of the liquid or create a whole new chemical that will do something totally different and perhaps not desirable? Thanks for any guidance you can give. PT PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up.
Re: CSanti-microbial???
Wow you could have fooled me... :-) PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: RE: CSanti-microbial??? You flatter me; I am not a chemist. I have not tried this. Your question would be better answered by Marshall, Ode or Mike. - Steve N From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSanti-microbial??? Hi, This is a question for Steve and some of the other chemists on the list... I have read about and been advised to keep my toothbrushes in an antimicrobial between use. The general advise is something like Listerine but I don't really like that so I have used peroxide for a long time. I recently switched to CS. Evidently toothbrushes are *seething* (mild hyperbole) with microbes that just keep reinfecting the mouth and the mouth is one place for focal infections that keep the immune system challenged. My question is, If I mix CS and 3% H2O2 will that increase the germ fighting capability of the liquid or create a whole new chemical that will do something totally different and perhaps not desirable? Thanks for any guidance you can give. PT PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up.
Re: CSanti-microbial???
Thanks to everyone who responded... PT - Original Message - From: Bob Banever To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: CSanti-microbial??? PT, Adding 3%H202 to CS will theoretically make the silver particles smaller, or perhaps change them to ionic form. It will not create a new chemical. Of course you should keep your toothbrush clean, but it's best to simply rinse with CS or H202 after brushing. Bob - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: CSanti-microbial??? Hi, This is a question for Steve and some of the other chemists on the list... I have read about and been advised to keep my toothbrushes in an antimicrobial between use. The general advise is something like Listerine but I don't really like that so I have used peroxide for a long time. I recently switched to CS. Evidently toothbrushes are *seething* (mild hyperbole) with microbes that just keep reinfecting the mouth and the mouth is one place for focal infections that keep the immune system challenged. My question is, If I mix CS and 3% H2O2 will that increase the germ fighting capability of the liquid or create a whole new chemical that will do something totally different and perhaps not desirable? Thanks for any guidance you can give. PT PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up.
CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...
David wrote: Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. LOL! No, David, the list owner is just lazy! I've *finally* updated the Archive page on the web site to reflect the existence of the *NEW* archives... grin Should eliminate this kind of confusion in the future! Peace, Mike D. List owner dude... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Dianne wrote: Would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Be cautious about this, please, Dianne. The following post by Jason Eaton back in 2001 reveals that H2O2 can cause unpredictable and dangerous results when nebulized. Please read it carefully: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg36593.html I one experiment a person who smoked had a severe reaction. Other cautions are mentioned. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSh2o2
I tried putting some H2O2 in EIS last night. It was clear to start and stayed clear but I noticed a lot more large bits of things floating around in it when I got up this morning. I didn't like the look of that. Ideas?
Re: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...
call me crazy but I can't find it. Is it here somewhere? : http://www.silverlist.org/ I get a not found message. ~David
Re: CSMy first post
I recall reading that silver nitrate is deadly. Wikpedia makes no mention of IV use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_nitrate The reaction may be a toxic reaction, not a herxheimer reaction. On Thursday, Aug 26, 2010, at 12:02 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round three is this friday! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy first post
Just had treatment # 3 today. All three times definitely herx. I got some visible improvement in the pink tissue in my mouth and also down there from the first treatment. The first treatment gave me identical to the flu symptoms. 102.1 fever, chills, etc. The next two herxes were very mild and familiar herx symptoms for me. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I recall reading that silver nitrate is deadly. Wikpedia makes no mention of IV use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_nitrate The reaction may be a toxic reaction, not a herxheimer reaction. On Thursday, Aug 26, 2010, at 12:02 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round three is this friday! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy first post
Does an MD administer this therapy? Is there any published data about it? In a newspaper here in Japan some years ago, a patient died after, as the article described it, a needle made of (or containing?) silver nitrate broke off during treatment. Admittedly, the article was so brief and sketchy that I could not understand what was being done by the MD. I did, however, inquire about it here on this list, and was told by some of the experts that silver nitrate is deadly. Hence my message.Caveat lector. Any data about the treatment would be useful to list members. Thanks in advance. On Saturday, Aug 28, 2010, at 11:01 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: Just had treatment # 3 today. All three times definitely herx. I got some visible improvement in the pink tissue in my mouth and also down there from the first treatment. The first treatment gave me identical to the flu symptoms. 102.1 fever, chills, etc. The next two herxes were very mild and familiar herx symptoms for me. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I recall reading that silver nitrate is deadly. Wikpedia makes no mention of IV use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_nitrate The reaction may be a toxic reaction, not a herxheimer reaction. On Thursday, Aug 26, 2010, at 12:02 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round three is this friday! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy first post
It is supposedly particles of silver nitrate 5 to 10 nanometers in size. I don't know anything about PPM. It is a solid brown colored liquid. I received 15cc's, then 10 cc's, and today another 15 cc's. I know he is willing to at least go to 25 cc's. My doc I know 1.5 years ago specifically mentioned in an article that people who were using IV silver for lyme and co concerned him. Yet as of about 6 weeks ago he started doing it. He probably watched it for long enough and decided it was safe enough to try. ~David In a newspaper here in Japan some years ago, a patient died after, as the article described it, a needle made of (or containing?) silver nitrate broke off during treatment. Admittedly, the article was so brief and sketchy that I could not understand what was being done by the MD. I did, however, inquire about it here on this list, and was told by some of the experts that silver nitrate is deadly. Hence my message.Caveat lector. Any data about the treatment would be useful to list members. Thanks in advance.
Re: CSMy first post
Thanks for the information. I'm sure list members would appreciate any links you find in future. On Saturday, Aug 28, 2010, at 11:30 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: It is supposedly particles of silver nitrate 5 to 10 nanometers in size. I don't know anything about PPM. It is a solid brown colored liquid. I received 15cc's, then 10 cc's, and today another 15 cc's. I know he is willing to at least go to 25 cc's. My doc I know 1.5 years ago specifically mentioned in an article that people who were using IV silver for lyme and co concerned him. Yet as of about 6 weeks ago he started doing it. He probably watched it for long enough and decided it was safe enough to try. ~David In a newspaper here in Japan some years ago, a patient died after, as the article described it, a needle made of (or containing?) silver nitrate broke off during treatment. Admittedly, the article was so brief and sketchy that I could not understand what was being done by the MD. I did, however, inquire about it here on this list, and was told by some of the experts that silver nitrate is deadly. Hence my message. Caveat lector. Any data about the treatment would be useful to list members. Thanks in advance. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy first post
That's part of the reason I'm here. I want to figure out about the different types of silver..ions, colloids, MSP, compoundsand then oral versus IV. And then this silver nitrate is nano sized...are other silver compounds in nanosized particles?None of the doc's staff actually knew what it was. Only the doc. I don't actually know what MSP is actually. ~David On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Thanks for the information. I'm sure list members would appreciate any links you find in future.
Re: CSMy first post
Arg.Nit is a brilliant homeopathic remedy Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: CSMy first post I recall reading that silver nitrate is deadly. Wikpedia makes no mention of IV use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_nitrate The reaction may be a toxic reaction, not a herxheimer reaction. On Thursday, Aug 26, 2010, at 12:02 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round three is this friday! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00
Re: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...
I wish our great list owner, Mike D., would consider yahoogroups (also called egroups.com). So simple to hunt for info. and I could be reading from that NEW site vs. getting digest or single mail. Not sure if I have that option for eskimo!! I know list owner is not crazy, but may be perhaps stubborn or doesn't know how to open a yahoo account. Mike, I'm not super geeky but I am glad to help you as best I can. I bet we have geeks here that know a lot. I propose keep archives where it is presently, close off archives and open same list with same name at Yahoo from here forward. How about it? Thanks list owner! Carol From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 3:11:14 PM Subject: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site... David wrote: Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. LOL! No, David, the list owner is just lazy! I've *finally* updated the Archive page on the web site to reflect the existence of the *NEW* archives... grin Should eliminate this kind of confusion in the future! Peace, Mike D. List owner dude... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...
Seconded! Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: Re: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site... I wish our great list owner, Mike D., would consider yahoogroups (also called egroups.com). So simple to hunt for info. and I could be reading from that NEW site vs. getting digest or single mail. Not sure if I have that option for eskimo!! I know list owner is not crazy, but may be perhaps stubborn or doesn't know how to open a yahoo account. Mike, I'm not super geeky but I am glad to help you as best I can. I bet we have geeks here that know a lot. I propose keep archives where it is presently, close off archives and open same list with same name at Yahoo from here forward. How about it? Thanks list owner! Carol -- From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 3:11:14 PM Subject: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site... David wrote: Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. LOL! No, David, the list owner is just lazy! I've *finally* updated the Archive page on the web site to reflect the existence of the *NEW* archives... grin Should eliminate this kind of confusion in the future! Peace, Mike D. List owner dude... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00
Re: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...
With all due respect, you don't understand the reasons for the list being the way it is. Mike D hasn't made this choice lightly, and I for one stand firmly behind the decision. Just one reason alone is enough: He (the list owner) has been adamant about no one being able to mine email addresses and this solution provides that. He will state this more elegantly than I, but what you don't know can hurt you...and it would seem you don't understand many of the reasons *not* to use yahoogroups. Craig carolG wrote: I wish our great list owner, Mike D., would consider yahoogroups (also called egroups.com). So simple to hunt for info. and I could be reading from that NEW site vs. getting digest or single mail. Not sure if I have that option for eskimo!! I know list owner is not crazy, but may be perhaps stubborn or doesn't know how to open a yahoo account. Mike, I'm not super geeky but I am glad to help you as best I can. I bet we have geeks here that know a lot. I propose keep archives where it is presently, close off archives and open same list with same name at Yahoo from here forward. How about it? Thanks list owner! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
