Re: CS>voltage meter

[needling around]

Hi,
You might want to look into the Russian scenar devices of Dr. Karasev.  >From 
what I have read of Tennant's work his unit seems to be patterned after the 
Russian devices.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:17 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter


  Hello all,

  I am interested in any opinions and comments and discussion of the work of 
Gerry Tennant that anyone can offer.

  TIA,

   Jim 


  On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Norton, Steve  
wrote:

I would very much like to know just what voltage Dr. Tennant is talking 
about. If you are not grounded and in an RF shielded room, you are very likely 
to measure voltage potentials caused by static charges or outside 
electromagnetic signals. I have read that you are also able to pick up small 
electrical potential variations going through the skin when muscles are 
contracting and relaxing.. With a bit of testing and practice you can raise, 
lower and reverse the polarity of the tiny voltages present on your skin.

If he is talking about voltage across a cell membrane I don't see how that 
is possible. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation

The voltage level of -20 mV and -25 mV would seem to relate to a cell 
membrane voltage but you cannot measure a single cell's membrane voltage 
potential.

In his video he moves his whatchamacallit across the skin looking for dry 
areas and says that they indicate areas of low voltage potential. But you would 
measure skin resistivity to find those areas not voltage. I don't think you can 
use a voltmeter to measure anything relevant.

 - Steve N


From: Don Barnes [mailto:donfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: donfi...@gmail.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>voltage meter


Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on www.coasttocoastam.com July 21, 2010. 
He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube  
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around  
wrote:
Hi,
I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor 
suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points on 
the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there are any 
caveats?
Thanks.
PT



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RE: CS>Tumor reduction

[Tom Poast]

Hello Dee,

We have used 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in 500 ml of water with animals and
people.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Tumor reduction

Could you tell me the ratio for topical use in the eye Tom?  dee

On 21 Sep 2010, at 16:07, Tom Poast wrote:

> Hello Dee,
> 
> A little bit of sodium chlorite in drinking water will be beneficial, but
I
> would approach both issues topically.  You don't want to use ASC in any
> strength near the eye, but a dilute solution of sodium chlorite in water
> could be used.  The same for your dog.  The anal area is very sensitive
and
> chlorous acid (ASC) may irritate it.
> 
> Tom
> 
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Re: CS>voltage meter

[Jim Holmes]

Hello all,

I am interested in any opinions and comments and discussion of the work of
Gerry Tennant that anyone can offer.

TIA,

 Jim

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

> I would very much like to know just what voltage Dr. Tennant is talking
> about. If you are not grounded and in an RF shielded room, you are very
> likely to measure voltage potentials caused by static charges or outside
> electromagnetic signals. I have read that you are also able to pick up small
> electrical potential variations going through the skin when muscles are
> contracting and relaxing.. With a bit of testing and practice you can raise,
> lower and reverse the polarity of the tiny voltages present on your skin.
>
> If he is talking about voltage across a cell membrane I don't see how that
> is possible. See:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_equation
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation
>
> The voltage level of -20 mV and -25 mV would seem to relate to a cell
> membrane voltage but you cannot measure a single cell's membrane voltage
> potential.
>
> In his video he moves his whatchamacallit across the skin looking for dry
> areas and says that they indicate areas of low voltage potential. But you
> would measure skin resistivity to find those areas not voltage. I don't
> think you can use a voltmeter to measure anything relevant.
>
>  - Steve N
>
>
> From: Don Barnes [mailto:donfi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:29 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Cc: donfi...@gmail.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>voltage meter
>
> Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on www.coasttocoastam.com July 21,
> 2010.
> He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
> Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around 
> wrote:
> Hi,
> I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor
> suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points
> on the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there are
> any caveats?
> Thanks.
> PT
>
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Re: CS>Vortex magnetizer, etc.

[needling around]

Did you find a pattern for the placement of north & south magnets?
Thanks.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dick Rochon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:17 PM
  Subject: CS>Vortex magnetizer, etc.


  Hi, Brooks and all,

  Dr. Ron Cusson said that the amazing magnetic blender 
  http://www.quantumbalancing.com/magnetic_blender.htm.,
  was much stronger than the amazing vortex magnetizer 
  http://www.quantumbalancing.com/vortex_magnetizer.htm.
  And he said that he was no longer offering support on either, because
  they had developed a much stronger magnetizer, or structured water
  device which they were marketing.

  I have purchased the little magnets to build the blender device, and
  have ordered the screw on caps to connect the two plastic bottles for
  the vortex magnetizers, but have not put either together yet. I am
  curious to know if there will really be a difference in the taste and
  effects of magnetized water or wine. Of course, the aeration of the 
  wine
  would change the smoothness and taste of red wine, because they say 
  that
  red wine should always be swirled in the glass before drinking.

  In the explanation of the amazing magnetic blender the author (whoever
  wrote it) said that their joint pain disappeared after drinking their
  first batch of magnetized water. Has anyone else reported any results
  like this?

  Is there any way to tell that there is a difference between magnetized
  water and plain, unmagnetized water, other than occasional anecdotal
  reports? I mean does everyone notice the same results, or only a
  percentage of users? Placebo does account for up to 30%, or more, of
  pain relief and healing. In fact, when my son attended his first 
  lecture
  in pharmacy school the professor stated that the human body (or mind)
  could heal anything that pharmaceuticals could heal. (Maybe Rx are not
  designed to heal or cure, but just to relieve symptoms while using 
  them)
  If they cured you wouldn't need to continue buying them.

  Dick

Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[Costumes]

hum  glancing at my cleaning cabinet   :))
jan

  I think it was a study done at Brigham Young U that showed that as little 
as 3 parts per billion was enough to sterilize a test tube full of toilet 
bowl water.

Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

[Marshall Dudley]

As EIS.

Marshall

needling around wrote:
Did you run it through the vortex as CS or as distilled water and then 
make CS out of it?


I'm thinking of trying this as I have lots of hi gauss magnets around.
Thanks.
PT

- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES


Actually when I was making and selling the Silver Lightning 5 ppm CS 
I ran


it through such a vortex structuring device.  I had many very good 
reports


on the effectiveness of the product, but never ran any tests to see 
if the



structuring made any difference or not.

Marshall

Dick Rochon wrote:
What effects have been noticed by magnetizing colloidal silver in a 
structured vortex device? Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS is suppose 
to increase the effectiveness of CS up to 300% by reducing the 
particle size. How would you know that magnetizing or structuring it 
made it more effective?


Dick
- Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES


Dear Paul,
  It is encouraging to observe list researchers...such as
yourself.experimenting with
existing devices in an effort to obtain devices superior to what the
market customarily
offers.
Since we have not attempted to use materials generated from
"circulating" water
structuring material in a confined container---I cannot offer useful
comment on the efficacy of such an approach.
All of our material has been produced via a "one-pass" arrangement
wherein the subject material
is exposed to both a magnetic field and vortex
formation.simultaneously.one-time only.
   My principal concern for using any form of " standing-wave"
vortex would be possible destabilizing effects
occurring because of possible non-laminar flow manifesting as a result
of chaotic mixing at the bottom
of the vortex.  The question becomes, What is the actual effect of
continuous re-introductionfrom the centrifugal discharge at the
bottom vortex  section of the liquid components?  I have no
real idea.  It would, indeed, be interesting to determine if one could
be "reinforcing" the structuring phenomenon, or "continually
disrupting" the structuring processthrough the use of such a
device as your modified blender?
  My apologies for being unable to assist you further in
this, particular, matter.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:49 PM, paul catania 
 wrote:

Dear Brooks and group,



I don't know what the inside of a "vitalizer plus" looks like, but 
after
reading your suggestions, I started to play around with an old 
blender of
mine. I took out the bottom criss-crossed blade assembly, and with 
a pair of
pliers, made the cross shaped blades parallel so that both blades 
were one
on top of another, facing in the same direction. I then tried to 
bend the
ends of each up as far as I could, so as to end up with two U 
shaped blades,
one slightly bigger than the other, on top of each other, facing in 
the same

direction.

Filling the container up with water, placing the blender on the low 
setting,
and pulsing the lowest speed button, produces a nice little vortex. 
I also
placed a heavy rubber band on the outside of the receptacle to hold 
two of

Peter Kulish's magnets, 180 degrees apart from each other.

According to your research, Brooks, can this be a valid method of 
producing

structured water?

Can I use plain tap water with a pinch of Himalayan sea salt?

How can I measure the quality, or lack thereof, of the water produced?



Thanks, Paul



- Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: SO>STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES



Dear Paul,
About 15 years ago, inspired by the works of Walter
Schaubergerwe investigated (extensively) a number of various
means for "structuring" ordinary tap-water. By structuring, I mean
modifying the micro-particle spectrum of what is, sometimes, referred
to
as the crystal-structure of water. Briefly, the theory is to modify
the alignment of the atomic/sub-atomic particle structure of
waterfrom
a random/chaotic...to an arranged linear relationship. We employed a
number of different approaches, including charged electrical fields;
chemically-seeded catalyst solutions and various vortex-based
approaches. Some success was achieved from most of the approaches.
However, the most cost-effective...by far.proved to be a simple
permanent-magnet X physical vortex generation systemavailable to
the DIY
person-for several dollars.
The theory-of-operation is simply to expose a liquid
experiencing a vortex geometry...to a relatively-high, fixed
magnetic field.
The most operationally acceptable, cost-limiting system we were able
to facilitate consisted of two 2 liter soft-drink bottles (connected
to-to-top),

RE: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[Norton, Steve]

Neville and John,

 

I don't mean to ignore you but right at the moment I don't have time to
respond to your comments. I will when I get time. I addition, Marshall
may have some thoughts that will affect it,

 

-  Steve N

 

From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:07 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

 

Steve,
 
I'll lead with my chin again, how much of that's relevant *within* the
human body?
 
AgN03, Commercial Ag powder, TEM micrographs, polywhateverthey'recalled
etc etc...Makes for good reading for the academic, but how relevant is
all this *within* the human body and/or blood?
 
I've read scads of stuff similar to this but being chemistry illiterate
I don't see a connection within the human body.
 
Praps this could be broken down into something a little more suitable
for the layman?
 
N.
 

 
> Subject: Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:36:18 -0500
> From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> Marshall,
> 
> I do not have a copy of the article. The link I provided does have a
> little more info if you click the Figures/Tables tab above the
abstract.
> It provides small low resolution figures with the text associated with
> the figure:
> 
> 
> Fig. 1. XRD patterns of samples. (a) Ag nanoparticles prepared by
using
> AgNO3 as the silver source and obtained by drying the Ag colloidal
> solution on a single crystal silicon substrate, (b) the product of
AgCl
> obtained from the reaction of Ag nanoparticles with hydrochloric acid,
> (c) commercial Ag powder, (d) after commercial Ag powder was added
into
> hydrochloric acid under magnetic stirring for 3 days.
> 
> Fig. 2. UV-vis absorption spectra. Dotted curve: the Ag colloidal
> solution prepared. Dashed curve: AgNO3 aqueous solution. Solid curve:
> the upper transparent solution after the reaction of the Ag colloid
with
> hydrochloric acid.
> 
> Fig. 3. (a) TEM micrographs of Ag nanoparticles prepared using AgNO3
as
> the silver source, (b) The histogram of Ag particle size distribution
> 
> Fig. 4. (a) TEM micrograph of the polyacrylamide (PAM)/silver
> nanocomposite, (b) XRD pattern of PAM/silver nanocomposite, (c) XRD
> pattern of the product after the reaction of PAM/silver nanocomposite
> with hydrochloric acid.
> 
> 
> It does not give intermediate results before the end of the three days
> nor does it give the concentration of the HCl used. It appears to me
> that all the silver particles in the test were converted to silver
> chloride.
> 
> - Steve N
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 1:00 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of this article? All I can get is the
abstract,
> 
> and $37.50 for this seems rather absurd. Long ago I tried mixing 
> colloidal silver with hydrochloric acid and was unable to get any 
> observed reaction without heating it (with the colloidal part). There 
> is some very important information missing from the abstract, such as 
> what concentrations, temperatures are needed and how long the reaction

> takes.
> 
> Marshall
> 
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CS>Vortex magnetizer, etc.

[Dick Rochon]

Hi, Brooks and all,

Dr. Ron Cusson said that the amazing magnetic blender 
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/magnetic_blender.htm.,
was much stronger than the amazing vortex magnetizer 
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/vortex_magnetizer.htm.
And he said that he was no longer offering support on either, because
they had developed a much stronger magnetizer, or structured water
device which they were marketing.

I have purchased the little magnets to build the blender device, and
have ordered the screw on caps to connect the two plastic bottles for
the vortex magnetizers, but have not put either together yet. I am
curious to know if there will really be a difference in the taste and
effects of magnetized water or wine. Of course, the aeration of the 
wine
would change the smoothness and taste of red wine, because they say 
that
red wine should always be swirled in the glass before drinking.

In the explanation of the amazing magnetic blender the author (whoever
wrote it) said that their joint pain disappeared after drinking their
first batch of magnetized water. Has anyone else reported any results
like this?

Is there any way to tell that there is a difference between magnetized
water and plain, unmagnetized water, other than occasional anecdotal
reports? I mean does everyone notice the same results, or only a
percentage of users? Placebo does account for up to 30%, or more, of
pain relief and healing. In fact, when my son attended his first 
lecture
in pharmacy school the professor stated that the human body (or mind)
could heal anything that pharmaceuticals could heal. (Maybe Rx are not
designed to heal or cure, but just to relieve symptoms while using 
them)
If they cured you wouldn't need to continue buying them.

Dick

Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

[needling around]

Did you run it through the vortex as CS or as distilled water and then make 
CS out of it?


I'm thinking of trying this as I have lots of hi gauss magnets around.
Thanks.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES


Actually when I was making and selling the Silver Lightning 5 ppm CS I ran 
it through such a vortex structuring device.  I had many very good reports 
on the effectiveness of the product, but never ran any tests to see if the 
structuring made any difference or not.


Marshall

Dick Rochon wrote:
What effects have been noticed by magnetizing colloidal silver in a 
structured vortex device? Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS is suppose to 
increase the effectiveness of CS up to 300% by reducing the particle 
size. How would you know that magnetizing or structuring it made it more 
effective?


Dick
- Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES


Dear Paul,
  It is encouraging to observe list researchers...such as
yourself.experimenting with
existing devices in an effort to obtain devices superior to what the
market customarily
offers.
Since we have not attempted to use materials generated from
"circulating" water
structuring material in a confined container---I cannot offer useful
comment on the efficacy of such an approach.
All of our material has been produced via a "one-pass" arrangement
wherein the subject material
is exposed to both a magnetic field and vortex
formation.simultaneously.one-time only.
   My principal concern for using any form of " standing-wave"
vortex would be possible destabilizing effects
occurring because of possible non-laminar flow manifesting as a result
of chaotic mixing at the bottom
of the vortex.  The question becomes, What is the actual effect of
continuous re-introductionfrom the centrifugal discharge at the
bottom vortex  section of the liquid components?  I have no
real idea.  It would, indeed, be interesting to determine if one could
be "reinforcing" the structuring phenomenon, or "continually
disrupting" the structuring processthrough the use of such a
device as your modified blender?
  My apologies for being unable to assist you further in
this, particular, matter.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:49 PM, paul catania  
wrote:

Dear Brooks and group,



I don't know what the inside of a "vitalizer plus" looks like, but after
reading your suggestions, I started to play around with an old blender 
of
mine. I took out the bottom criss-crossed blade assembly, and with a 
pair of
pliers, made the cross shaped blades parallel so that both blades were 
one
on top of another, facing in the same direction. I then tried to bend 
the
ends of each up as far as I could, so as to end up with two U shaped 
blades,
one slightly bigger than the other, on top of each other, facing in the 
same

direction.

Filling the container up with water, placing the blender on the low 
setting,
and pulsing the lowest speed button, produces a nice little vortex. I 
also
placed a heavy rubber band on the outside of the receptacle to hold two 
of

Peter Kulish's magnets, 180 degrees apart from each other.

According to your research, Brooks, can this be a valid method of 
producing

structured water?

Can I use plain tap water with a pinch of Himalayan sea salt?

How can I measure the quality, or lack thereof, of the water produced?



Thanks, Paul



- Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: SO>STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES



Dear Paul,
About 15 years ago, inspired by the works of Walter
Schaubergerwe investigated (extensively) a number of various
means for "structuring" ordinary tap-water. By structuring, I mean
modifying the micro-particle spectrum of what is, sometimes, referred
to
as the crystal-structure of water. Briefly, the theory is to modify
the alignment of the atomic/sub-atomic particle structure of
waterfrom
a random/chaotic...to an arranged linear relationship. We employed a
number of different approaches, including charged electrical fields;
chemically-seeded catalyst solutions and various vortex-based
approaches. Some success was achieved from most of the approaches.
However, the most cost-effective...by far.proved to be a simple
permanent-magnet X physical vortex generation systemavailable to
the DIY
person-for several dollars.
The theory-of-operation is simply to expose a liquid
experiencing a vortex geometry...to a relatively-high, fixed
magnetic field.
The most operationally acceptable, cost-limiting system we were able
to facilitate consisted of two 2 liter soft-drink bottles (connected
to-to-top),
with the top bottle having two "strong" rare-earth

Re: CS>help needed

[jaxi]

yes but how do you connect the TENS pads to the 6v battery?  Mine have
special plug ends for the TENS machine.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Bruce Anderson  wrote:

>  No, I just stick the 75mm TENS pads to my cheek bones on the sides of my
> head.
> Bruce A.
>
>
> On 9/20/2010 7:41 PM, jaxi wrote:
>
> Bruce ... how do you convert the TENS pads?  Do you strip the plastic off
> the wire and twist the wires together??
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Bruce Anderson wrote:
>
>>  Hi Rusty:
>> I have used the sponges and also TENS unit pads.  The TENS pads worked
>> best, for me, in areas close to the eye.  *Remember!! you do NOT want
>> current through the eyeball*.  The wire might work well at controlling
>> the current path and if it were silver that would be even better.
>> Wishing you the best:
>>  Bruce
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2010 11:14 PM, needling around wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bruce,
>> When you use a baby godzilla for something like this what do you do,
>> exactly?  Do you use the sponges or do you use bare wire and just touch all
>> around the lesion?
>> Thanks.
>> PT
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Bruce Anderson 
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 11:04 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: CS>help needed
>>
>>  Hi Rusty:
>> I've had several on my face and head.  Some were frozen and some cut out,
>> even then some came back.
>> I used a 6volt baby godzilla device and EIS (colloidal silver) on them and
>> "fired" the Doctor.  Some of mine, they said, were  "the bad kind", but my
>> treatment worked on all of them.  And it worked without the scars.
>> Bruce A.
>>
>>
>> On 9/9/2010 12:23 PM, Rusty wrote:
>>
>> I have had a sore beside my eye that wouldn't heal.  I put it down to
>> being stressed and as it dried, I would pick at it and start the process all
>> over again.  Also it would get a scab and either the pillowcase or the wash
>> cloth would catch it.
>>
>> I finally got through my cataract operation and felt I better get it
>> checked out...I was sent to a dermatologist and she walked in the room,
>> looked at it and said "you have cancer" and pointed to a picture of four
>> kinds on the wall and said but you have the "good one"   I just about fell
>> off the chair.
>>
>> I was expecting some kind of ointment to heal it up...not being told
>> "cancer" so I think I may have been in some shock.
>>
>> I'm told I will have to go to a surgeon and have it cut out.
>>
>> Has any one ever deal with cancer on the skin?   Can it be cleared up
>> naturally?
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

RE: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[Neville Munn]

Steve,

 

I'll lead with my chin again, how much of that's relevant *within* the human 
body?

 

AgN03, Commercial Ag powder, TEM micrographs, polywhateverthey'recalled etc 
etc...Makes for good reading for the academic, but how relevant is all this 
*within* the human body and/or blood?

 

I've read scads of stuff similar to this but being chemistry illiterate I don't 
see a connection within the human body.

 

Praps this could be broken down into something a little more suitable for the 
layman?

 

N.

 


 
> Subject: Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:36:18 -0500
> From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> Marshall,
> 
> I do not have a copy of the article. The link I provided does have a
> little more info if you click the Figures/Tables tab above the abstract.
> It provides small low resolution figures with the text associated with
> the figure:
> 
> 
> Fig. 1. XRD patterns of samples. (a) Ag nanoparticles prepared by using
> AgNO3 as the silver source and obtained by drying the Ag colloidal
> solution on a single crystal silicon substrate, (b) the product of AgCl
> obtained from the reaction of Ag nanoparticles with hydrochloric acid,
> (c) commercial Ag powder, (d) after commercial Ag powder was added into
> hydrochloric acid under magnetic stirring for 3 days.
> 
> Fig. 2. UV-vis absorption spectra. Dotted curve: the Ag colloidal
> solution prepared. Dashed curve: AgNO3 aqueous solution. Solid curve:
> the upper transparent solution after the reaction of the Ag colloid with
> hydrochloric acid.
> 
> Fig. 3. (a) TEM micrographs of Ag nanoparticles prepared using AgNO3 as
> the silver source, (b) The histogram of Ag particle size distribution
> 
> Fig. 4. (a) TEM micrograph of the polyacrylamide (PAM)/silver
> nanocomposite, (b) XRD pattern of PAM/silver nanocomposite, (c) XRD
> pattern of the product after the reaction of PAM/silver nanocomposite
> with hydrochloric acid.
> 
> 
> It does not give intermediate results before the end of the three days
> nor does it give the concentration of the HCl used. It appears to me
> that all the silver particles in the test were converted to silver
> chloride.
> 
> - Steve N
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 1:00 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of this article? All I can get is the abstract,
> 
> and $37.50 for this seems rather absurd. Long ago I tried mixing 
> colloidal silver with hydrochloric acid and was unable to get any 
> observed reaction without heating it (with the colloidal part). There 
> is some very important information missing from the abstract, such as 
> what concentrations, temperatures are needed and how long the reaction 
> takes.
> 
> Marshall
> 
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Re: CS>Parasites - Worms

[Robert L. Booth]

If you google pictures and type in parasites worms you see what they look like.
 
Robert  

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, joy  wrote:

From: joy 
Subject: CS>Parasites - Worms
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 2:02 PM


Is there a list for parasites and worms - does anyone know?

Blessings!
Joy


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Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[Norton, Steve]

Marshall,

I do not have a copy of the article. The link I provided does have a
little more info if you click the Figures/Tables tab above the abstract.
It provides small low resolution figures with the text associated with
the figure:


Fig. 1. XRD patterns of samples. (a) Ag nanoparticles prepared by using
AgNO3 as the silver source and obtained by drying the Ag colloidal
solution on a single crystal silicon substrate, (b) the product of AgCl
obtained from the reaction of Ag nanoparticles with hydrochloric acid,
(c) commercial Ag powder, (d) after commercial Ag powder was added into
hydrochloric acid under magnetic stirring for 3 days.

Fig. 2. UV-vis absorption spectra. Dotted curve: the Ag colloidal
solution prepared. Dashed curve: AgNO3 aqueous solution. Solid curve:
the upper transparent solution after the reaction of the Ag colloid with
hydrochloric acid.

Fig. 3. (a) TEM micrographs of Ag nanoparticles prepared using AgNO3 as
the silver source, (b) The histogram of Ag particle size distribution

Fig. 4. (a) TEM micrograph of the polyacrylamide (PAM)/silver
nanocomposite, (b) XRD pattern of PAM/silver nanocomposite, (c) XRD
pattern of the product after the reaction of PAM/silver nanocomposite
with hydrochloric acid.


It does not give intermediate results before the end of the three days
nor does it give the concentration of the HCl used. It appears to me
that all the silver particles in the test were converted to silver
chloride.

 - Steve N


-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 1:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

Does anyone have a copy of this article?  All I can get is the abstract,

and $37.50 for this seems rather absurd.  Long ago I tried mixing 
colloidal silver with hydrochloric acid and was unable to get any 
observed reaction without heating it (with the colloidal part).  There 
is some very important information missing from the abstract, such as 
what concentrations, temperatures are needed and how long the reaction 
takes.

Marshall


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Re: CS>help needed

[Bruce Anderson]

 No, I just stick the 75mm TENS pads to my cheek bones on the sides of 
my head.

Bruce A.

On 9/20/2010 7:41 PM, jaxi wrote:
Bruce ... how do you convert the TENS pads?  Do you strip the plastic 
off the wire and twist the wires together??


On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Bruce Anderson > wrote:


Hi Rusty:
I have used the sponges and also TENS unit pads.  The TENS pads
worked best, for me, in areas close to the eye. _Remember!! you do
NOT want current through the eyeball_.  The wire might work well
at controlling the current path and if it were silver that would
be even better.
Wishing you the best:
Bruce


On 9/10/2010 11:14 PM, needling around wrote:

Hi Bruce,
When you use a baby godzilla for something like this what do you
do, exactly?  Do you use the sponges or do you use bare wire and
just touch all around the lesion?
Thanks.
PT

- Original Message -
*From:* Bruce Anderson 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 11:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>help needed

Hi Rusty:
I've had several on my face and head.  Some were frozen and
some cut out, even then some came back.
I used a 6volt baby godzilla device and EIS (colloidal
silver) on them and "fired" the Doctor.  Some of mine, they
said, were  "the bad kind", but my treatment worked on all of
them.  And it worked without the scars.
Bruce A.


On 9/9/2010 12:23 PM, Rusty wrote:

I have had a sore beside my eye that wouldn't heal.  I put
it down to being stressed and as it dried, I would pick at
it and start the process all over again.  Also it would get
a scab and either the pillowcase or the wash cloth would
catch it.
I finally got through my cataract operation and felt I
better get it checked out...I was sent to a dermatologist
and she walked in the room, looked at it and said "you have
cancer" and pointed to a picture of four kinds on the wall
and said but you have the "good one"   I just about fell off
the chair.
I was expecting some kind of ointment to heal it up...not
being told "cancer" so I think I may have been in some shock.
I'm told I will have to go to a surgeon and have it cut out.
Has any one ever deal with cancer on the skin?   Can it be
cleared up naturally?
Rusty

Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

[Marshall Dudley]

Actually when I was making and selling the Silver Lightning 5 ppm CS I 
ran it through such a vortex structuring device.  I had many very good 
reports on the effectiveness of the product, but never ran any tests to 
see if the structuring made any difference or not.


Marshall

Dick Rochon wrote:
What effects have been noticed by magnetizing colloidal silver in a 
structured vortex device? Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS is suppose to 
increase the effectiveness of CS up to 300% by reducing the particle 
size. How would you know that magnetizing or structuring it made it 
more effective?


Dick
- Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES


Dear Paul,
  It is encouraging to observe list researchers...such as
yourself.experimenting with
existing devices in an effort to obtain devices superior to what the
market customarily
offers.
Since we have not attempted to use materials generated from
"circulating" water
structuring material in a confined container---I cannot offer useful
comment on the efficacy of such an approach.
All of our material has been produced via a "one-pass" arrangement
wherein the subject material
is exposed to both a magnetic field and vortex
formation.simultaneously.one-time only.
   My principal concern for using any form of " standing-wave"
vortex would be possible destabilizing effects
occurring because of possible non-laminar flow manifesting as a result
of chaotic mixing at the bottom
of the vortex.  The question becomes, What is the actual effect of
continuous re-introductionfrom the centrifugal discharge at the
bottom vortex  section of the liquid components?  I have no
real idea.  It would, indeed, be interesting to determine if one could
be "reinforcing" the structuring phenomenon, or "continually
disrupting" the structuring processthrough the use of such a
device as your modified blender?
  My apologies for being unable to assist you further in
this, particular, matter.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:49 PM, paul catania 
 wrote:

Dear Brooks and group,



I don't know what the inside of a "vitalizer plus" looks like, but after
reading your suggestions, I started to play around with an old 
blender of
mine. I took out the bottom criss-crossed blade assembly, and with a 
pair of
pliers, made the cross shaped blades parallel so that both blades 
were one
on top of another, facing in the same direction. I then tried to bend 
the
ends of each up as far as I could, so as to end up with two U shaped 
blades,
one slightly bigger than the other, on top of each other, facing in 
the same

direction.

Filling the container up with water, placing the blender on the low 
setting,
and pulsing the lowest speed button, produces a nice little vortex. I 
also
placed a heavy rubber band on the outside of the receptacle to hold 
two of

Peter Kulish's magnets, 180 degrees apart from each other.

According to your research, Brooks, can this be a valid method of 
producing

structured water?

Can I use plain tap water with a pinch of Himalayan sea salt?

How can I measure the quality, or lack thereof, of the water produced?



Thanks, Paul



- Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: SO>STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES



Dear Paul,
About 15 years ago, inspired by the works of Walter
Schaubergerwe investigated (extensively) a number of various
means for "structuring" ordinary tap-water. By structuring, I mean
modifying the micro-particle spectrum of what is, sometimes, referred
to
as the crystal-structure of water. Briefly, the theory is to modify
the alignment of the atomic/sub-atomic particle structure of
waterfrom
a random/chaotic...to an arranged linear relationship. We employed a
number of different approaches, including charged electrical fields;
chemically-seeded catalyst solutions and various vortex-based
approaches. Some success was achieved from most of the approaches.
However, the most cost-effective...by far.proved to be a simple
permanent-magnet X physical vortex generation systemavailable to
the DIY
person-for several dollars.
The theory-of-operation is simply to expose a liquid
experiencing a vortex geometry...to a relatively-high, fixed
magnetic field.
The most operationally acceptable, cost-limiting system we were able
to facilitate consisted of two 2 liter soft-drink bottles (connected
to-to-top),
with the top bottle having two "strong" rare-earth or neodymium
magnets taped in a 180 degree relation, as close to the bottle mouth
as physically
acceptable. One physical modification was employed on the "top"
bottle. The modification was to cut the bottom (which becomes the top)
of the
upper bottomoff, to form a funnel of desired size. It makes no
difference which magnet ha

CS>Parasites - Worms

[joy]

Is there a list for parasites and worms - does anyone know?

Blessings!
Joy


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Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[Marshall Dudley]

Does anyone have a copy of this article?  All I can get is the abstract, 
and $37.50 for this seems rather absurd.  Long ago I tried mixing 
colloidal silver with hydrochloric acid and was unable to get any 
observed reaction without heating it (with the colloidal part).  There 
is some very important information missing from the abstract, such as 
what concentrations, temperatures are needed and how long the reaction 
takes.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:


_http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WHR-4KH3YG7-4&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2006&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1469043580&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C50221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=8146e78f52c98b9450565614ad3dd198&searchtype=a_ 



High chemical reactivity of silver nanoparticles toward hydrochloric acid

"High chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles was observed in the 
reaction with hydrochloric acid: Ag (nanoparticles) +HCI -> AgCl + 
H-2; the reaction product silver chloride was characterized by X-ray 
powder diffraction to give a direct evidence for the reaction which 
has been proved impossible for the bulk Ag."


-   Steve N

*From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:05 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

Hey Steve,


I had been wondering that.  It seemed strange to me that it was 
automatically assumed that particles could get by the stomach acid 
untouched, as if it was self evident.   If you have any info on that, 
I would like to have it.


Thanks,
~David

 

You have probably read the claim by some suppliers of particle based 
CS that ionic silver is not effective and that only silver particles 
are active. And that the effectiveness of particle silver is dependent 
on the total surface area if the silver particles. It turns out that 
nothing is further from the truth. A fairly recent study has shown 
that stomach acid is highly reactive with silver nanoparticles and 
converts the silver nanoparticles the same as it does ionic silver. 
 If the silver particles are large enough some of the particle may 
escape conversion but the same would be true of the silver particles 
in CS generated by electrolysis.


 


  -  Steve N




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Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[j petras]

Steve;
Thanks for the referenced reply. 
For myself, a layperson, I am not understanding resultant statement in your 
email. Could you kindly translate, so to speak, in simpler terms...I did not 
happen to read the entire article itself - appreciated,John 




 
 


 


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WHR-4KH3YG7-4&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2006&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1469043580&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C50221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=8146e78f52c98b9450565614ad3dd198&searchtype=a

High chemical reactivity of silver nanoparticles toward hydrochloric acid

"High chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles was observed in the reaction with 
hydrochloric acid: Ag (nanoparticles) +HCI -> AgCl + H-2; the reaction product 
silver chloride was characterized by X-ray powder diffraction to give a direct 
evidence for the reaction which has been proved impossible for the bulk Ag."



-   Steve N



From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:05 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens



Hey Steve,



I had been wondering that.  It seemed strange to me that it was automatically 
assumed that particles could get by the stomach acid untouched, as if it was 
self evident.   If you have any info on that, I would like to have it.



Thanks,

~David

 

You have probably read the claim by some suppliers of particle based CS that 
ionic silver is not effective and that only silver particles are active. And 
that the effectiveness of particle silver is dependent on the total surface 
area if the silver particles. It turns out that nothing is further from the 
truth. A fairly recent study has shown that stomach acid is highly reactive 
with silver nanoparticles and converts the silver nanoparticles the same as it 
does ionic silver.  If the silver particles are large enough some of the 
particle may escape conversion but the same would be true of the silver 
particles in CS generated by electrolysis. 

 

-  Steve N

 



  

Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

[Dick Rochon]

What effects have been noticed by magnetizing colloidal silver in a 
structured vortex device? Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS is suppose to 
increase the effectiveness of CS up to 300% by reducing the particle size. 
How would you know that magnetizing or structuring it made it more 
effective?


Dick
- Original Message - 
From: "Brooks Bradley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES


Dear Paul,
  It is encouraging to observe list researchers...such as
yourself.experimenting with
existing devices in an effort to obtain devices superior to what the
market customarily
offers.
Since we have not attempted to use materials generated from
"circulating" water
structuring material in a confined container---I cannot offer useful
comment on the efficacy of such an approach.
All of our material has been produced via a "one-pass" arrangement
wherein the subject material
is exposed to both a magnetic field and vortex
formation.simultaneously.one-time only.
   My principal concern for using any form of " standing-wave"
vortex would be possible destabilizing effects
occurring because of possible non-laminar flow manifesting as a result
of chaotic mixing at the bottom
of the vortex.  The question becomes, What is the actual effect of
continuous re-introductionfrom the centrifugal discharge at the
bottom vortex  section of the liquid components?  I have no
real idea.  It would, indeed, be interesting to determine if one could
be "reinforcing" the structuring phenomenon, or "continually
disrupting" the structuring processthrough the use of such a
device as your modified blender?
  My apologies for being unable to assist you further in
this, particular, matter.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:49 PM, paul catania  
wrote:

Dear Brooks and group,



I don't know what the inside of a "vitalizer plus" looks like, but after
reading your suggestions, I started to play around with an old blender of
mine. I took out the bottom criss-crossed blade assembly, and with a pair 
of

pliers, made the cross shaped blades parallel so that both blades were one
on top of another, facing in the same direction. I then tried to bend the
ends of each up as far as I could, so as to end up with two U shaped 
blades,
one slightly bigger than the other, on top of each other, facing in the 
same

direction.

Filling the container up with water, placing the blender on the low 
setting,

and pulsing the lowest speed button, produces a nice little vortex. I also
placed a heavy rubber band on the outside of the receptacle to hold two of
Peter Kulish's magnets, 180 degrees apart from each other.

According to your research, Brooks, can this be a valid method of 
producing

structured water?

Can I use plain tap water with a pinch of Himalayan sea salt?

How can I measure the quality, or lack thereof, of the water produced?



Thanks, Paul



- Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: SO>STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES



Dear Paul,
About 15 years ago, inspired by the works of Walter
Schaubergerwe investigated (extensively) a number of various
means for "structuring" ordinary tap-water. By structuring, I mean
modifying the micro-particle spectrum of what is, sometimes, referred
to
as the crystal-structure of water. Briefly, the theory is to modify
the alignment of the atomic/sub-atomic particle structure of
waterfrom
a random/chaotic...to an arranged linear relationship. We employed a
number of different approaches, including charged electrical fields;
chemically-seeded catalyst solutions and various vortex-based
approaches. Some success was achieved from most of the approaches.
However, the most cost-effective...by far.proved to be a simple
permanent-magnet X physical vortex generation systemavailable to
the DIY
person-for several dollars.
The theory-of-operation is simply to expose a liquid
experiencing a vortex geometry...to a relatively-high, fixed
magnetic field.
The most operationally acceptable, cost-limiting system we were able
to facilitate consisted of two 2 liter soft-drink bottles (connected
to-to-top),
with the top bottle having two "strong" rare-earth or neodymium
magnets taped in a 180 degree relation, as close to the bottle mouth
as physically
acceptable. One physical modification was employed on the "top"
bottle. The modification was to cut the bottom (which becomes the top)
of the
upper bottomoff, to form a funnel of desired size. It makes no
difference which magnet has its N or S pole facing inso long as
the OTHER
magnet has the opposite pole facing the first magnet. In our initial
experiments, we,simply, placed the TOP section facing down (neck with
magnets attached)
against the bottom (with its opening facing UP) and taped the assembly
together ---at the join

Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[Norton, Steve]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WHR-4KH3YG7-4
&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2006&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_orig
in=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1469043580&_rerunOrigi
n=google&_acct=C50221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=8146e7
8f52c98b9450565614ad3dd198&searchtype=a
High chemical reactivity of silver nanoparticles toward hydrochloric
acid

"High chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles was observed in the
reaction with hydrochloric acid: Ag (nanoparticles) +HCI -> AgCl + H-2;
the reaction product silver chloride was characterized by X-ray powder
diffraction to give a direct evidence for the reaction which has been
proved impossible for the bulk Ag."

-   Steve N

From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

Hey Steve,

I had been wondering that.  It seemed strange to me that it was
automatically assumed that particles could get by the stomach acid
untouched, as if it was self evident.   If you have any info on that, I
would like to have it.

Thanks,
~David
 
You have probably read the claim by some suppliers of particle based CS
that ionic silver is not effective and that only silver particles are
active. And that the effectiveness of particle silver is dependent on
the total surface area if the silver particles. It turns out that
nothing is further from the truth. A fairly recent study has shown that
stomach acid is highly reactive with silver nanoparticles and converts
the silver nanoparticles the same as it does ionic silver.  If the
silver particles are large enough some of the particle may escape
conversion but the same would be true of the silver particles in CS
generated by electrolysis. 
 
-  Steve N

Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[David AuBuchon]

>
> Hey Steve,
>

I had been wondering that.  It seemed strange to me that it was
automatically assumed that particles could get by the stomach acid
untouched, as if it was self evident.   If you have any info on that, I
would like to have it.

Thanks,
~David

>
>
> You have probably read the claim by some suppliers of particle based CS
> that ionic silver is not effective and that only silver particles are
> active. And that the effectiveness of particle silver is dependent on the
> total surface area if the silver particles. It turns out that nothing is
> further from the truth. A fairly recent study has shown that stomach acid is
> highly reactive with silver nanoparticles and converts the silver
> nanoparticles the same as it does ionic silver.  If the silver particles are
> large enough some of the particle may escape conversion but the same would
> be true of the silver particles in CS generated by electrolysis.
>
>
>
> -  Steve N
>

Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[Norton, Steve]

I have never seen verification of the claim that CS kills 650 different
pathogens. But then I have never really tried to find verification since
I consider it immaterial. The important information in my opinion is
that CS has been shown to kill pathogens by five different methods.
These five methods give CS a very broad antiviral, antimicrobial and
antifungal capability. Including effectiveness against both gram
positive and gram negative bacteria. No antibiotic comes close to
matching CS. It also  makes it very difficult for a virus or bacteria to
develop an immunity against CS. (Antibiotics each have a single method
of attacking bacteria.)

 

To a large extent, ppm is immaterial except as a method of knowing the
total amount of silver ingested. You can take one half ounce of 20 ppm
CS or 1 ounce of 10 ppm CS and the effect is the same. Ppm can be an
issue when CS is used topically and combined with other liquids that can
dilute the CS more than you desire.

 

CS has been shown to be effective at low concentrations. The primary
reason is that silver is not consumed in the process of killing a
pathogen. The same silver ion continues to attack further pathogens
until it is excreted by the body. However higher concentrations of
silver get the job done quicker. Also, if there is a large number of
pathogens, the pathogens may reproduce at a rate higher than the kill
rate of the CS if  the silver concentration is too low.

 

You have probably read the claim by some suppliers of particle based CS
that ionic silver is not effective and that only silver particles are
active. And that the effectiveness of particle silver is dependent on
the total surface area if the silver particles. It turns out that
nothing is further from the truth. A fairly recent study has shown that
stomach acid is highly reactive with silver nanoparticles and converts
the silver nanoparticles the same as it does ionic silver.  If the
silver particles are large enough some of the particle may escape
conversion but the same would be true of the silver particles in CS
generated by electrolysis. 

 

-  Steve N

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: j petras   

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:12 AM

Subject: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

 

 

 

Medical journal studies, it has been reported, have shown that CS is
effective in killing over 650 different pathogens. I guess most all of
us on the list concur with that. We have all read this as promoted by
numerous sites marketing CS. 

 

Now with all scientific controls used in the studies and other
considerations aside... I would ask, at what PPM has this been
conducted?

 

As for myself, I use CS...and have seen positive results in its' use.
However, to cut through the hype (if there is any)...does a blanket
statement of efficacy for CS killing 650 pathogens apply to product in
the 5-10 PPM range ie., that which is typically sold or made at home
with users generators? Is there any substantial correlation in its'
effectiveness in this range?

 

Thanking you for any clarification on this,

 

John

 

 

 

Re: CS>Tumor reduction

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Could you tell me the ratio for topical use in the eye Tom?  dee

On 21 Sep 2010, at 16:07, Tom Poast wrote:

> Hello Dee,
> 
> A little bit of sodium chlorite in drinking water will be beneficial, but I
> would approach both issues topically.  You don't want to use ASC in any
> strength near the eye, but a dilute solution of sodium chlorite in water
> could be used.  The same for your dog.  The anal area is very sensitive and
> chlorous acid (ASC) may irritate it.
> 
> Tom
> 
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RE: CS>Tumor reduction

[Tom Poast]

Hello Dee,

A little bit of sodium chlorite in drinking water will be beneficial, but I
would approach both issues topically.  You don't want to use ASC in any
strength near the eye, but a dilute solution of sodium chlorite in water
could be used.  The same for your dog.  The anal area is very sensitive and
chlorous acid (ASC) may irritate it.

Tom

-Original Message-
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Tumor reduction

Thanks Tom, so as I have just discovered I have shingles in my actual eye,
would you suggest drinking say, five drops of ASC in half a glass of water -
or - one or two drops of sodium chlorite in a half a glass of water?  Also,
my dog has infected anal sacs--do you think a couple of drops of sodium
chlorite in his water would be ok?  many thanks.  dee

On 20 Sep 2010, at 15:32, Tom Poast wrote:

> Hello Dee,
> 
> ASC has a much higher concentration of free chlorine dioxide and a much
> higher oxidation reduction potential.  If your application needs to knock
> down a rapidly spreading bacteria, ASC may be able to do that but chlorine
> dioxide may be necessary.  If you are trying to control the spread of
> bacteria or prevent colonies from forming, sodium chlorite in water is a
> good way to go.
> 
> A couple of examples...  When you butcher a chicken the meat becomes
> infected with the bacteria from the gut.  ASC is sprayed on, or the meat
is
> dunked into a tank with ASC in it.  The ASC solution knocks the bacteria
> load down and the residual keeps it in check.  Mold in the bathroom can be
> killed off with ASC, but once it is removed you can simply spray a sodium
> chlorite solution around to keep the mold spores from forming new mold
> areas.
> 
> Another example has to do with a mouthwash.  If you rinse with ASC, you
> blast the teeth to a rather strong solution that can damage the enamel of
> the teeth.  However, if you use a sodium chlorite solution, it only
> activates in proportion to the amount of bacteria in the mouth and
activates
> where the bacteria is.  In this case the activated solution is working in
> the biofilm area and it somewhat ignores the other areas.
> 
> The problem with ingesting these chemicals is that you quickly have levels
> of chlorite in the body that are higher than what have been found to be
> safe.  This is one of the reasons the FDA, Canadians, and Australians are
> taking a closer look at the MMS protocol.
> 
> Tom
> 


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Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[Ode Coyote]

 It only takes one Sheriff in the Badlands to kill all the bandits...he 
can find.

 But can he do it faster than they grow little baby Bandits?

One silver star, one kill and goes on to the next kill.
Given enough time and Bandits that don't have children, the Lone Ranger 
would get em all...if he doesn't get trapped in a canyon someplace.


I think it was a study done at Brigham Young U that showed that as little 
as 3 parts per billion was enough to sterilize a test tube full of toilet 
bowl water.
Probably those pathogens couldn't replicate very fast in that environment 
and no place to get lost in.

3 parts per million did the same job many many times faster.

It's not every day that my body is a test tube of toilet bowl water.
How about yours ?

Kill rate has to be higher than replication rate and whatever that takes is 
what's relevant...and most likely never the same.


Ode

At 03:12 AM 9/20/2010 -0700, you wrote:


Medical journal studies, it has been reported, have shown that CS is 
effective in killing over 650 different pathogens. I guess most all of us 
on the list concur with that. We have all read this as promoted by 
numerous sites marketing CS.


Now with all scientific controls used in the studies and other 
considerations aside... I would ask, at what PPM has this been conducted?


As for myself, I use CS...and have seen positive results in its' use. 
However, to cut through the hype (if there is any)...does a blanket 
statement of efficacy for CS killing 650 pathogens apply to product in the 
5-10 PPM range ie., that which is typically sold or made at home with 
users generators? Is there any substantial correlation in its' 
effectiveness in this range?


Thanking you for any clarification on this,

John






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[j petras]

  Thanks Bob
 




 
 


 
John,
 
 I've been using 10ppm CS 
that I make myself for many years and it works just fine.  I don't think 
you need it any more concentrated.  The ingredients are simply distilled 
water and .999 fine silver.  The solution I make is about 85% ionic with 
the rest particulate.  
 
Bob

  - Original Message - 
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  j petras 
  
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:12 
  AM
  Subject: CS>CS and killing of 
  pathogens
  

  


  




Medical journal studies, it has been reported, have shown that CS 
is effective in killing over 650 different pathogens. I guess most all 
of us on the list concur with that. We have all read this as 
promoted by numerous sites marketing CS. 


Now with all scientific controls used in the studies and other 
considerations aside... I would ask, at what PPM has this been 
conducted?


As for myself, I use CS...and have seen positive results in its' 
use. However, to cut through the hype (if there is any)...does a 
blanket 
statement of efficacy for CS killing 650 pathogens apply to product in 
the 5-10 PPM range ie., that which is typically sold or made at home 
with users generators? Is there any substantial correlation in its' 
effectiveness in this range?


Thanking you for any clarification on this,


John