Re: CSPWT
Hello Mary, Not really. How much does it cost you and your husband to go out to eat at a nice restaurant. $50 doesn't seem high when you compare other costs in today's world. Of course you can just accept what you have as CS and let it go at that. Many folks do. I'm sure it will probably work but for those who want to be assured of getting some idea of what they have from batch to batch, the PWT is probably the best and least expensive choice. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators - Original Message - From: helenw8...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 11:09 AM Subject: CSPWT you wrote: The PWT is the best low cost solution to making reliable CS from one batch to the next and confirming the results. Hi, I went to your site and the PWT is around $50, I don't consider that low cost is there something else that I could use to register PPM? Thanks, Regards,Mary -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS PPM
Hello Jhon, Following is the instruction sheet we ship with each PWT meter. Perhaps the issue will be more clear now. Perhaps others will argue the point. In any case, it is not really clear which methods are the best to measure the PPM of CS. However, the PWT meter gives the closest consistent readings we have seen at an affordable price. It is a good tool to show consistency of CS batch to batch, etc. Instructions on use of the PWT meter The PWT meter is designed to measure purity of water. That is, it measures conductivity of water. This is measured in micro siemens which is abbreviated µS. When you insert the meter into your distilled water, it will read the conductivity and if the reading is less than 2.0 to 3.0 µS the water is suitable for use in making CS. This means it has very little mineralization. Minerals can combine with silver in the process to form silver compounds rather than colloidal silver. We recommend using only steam distilled water to make CS. Measure the uS of your water before making CS. Make note of the value. Once you have checked your water and made your CS, insert the PWT into the CS. It will read directly in PPM minus the reading of the water previously recorded. We had several samples of our CS analyzed by two different laboratories using the atomic absorption method and tests at one of the labs was done two different ways on each sample. In the first case, the CS was tested without benefit of digestion . That means the CS water samples were analyzed by the machine without anything being done to the samples. Then the second set of samples were digested and the tests were run again. Digestion means to take the CS and combine it with nitric acid or aqua regia (nitric and hydrochloric acids) in order to completely dissolve the silver in the dispersion. This was to done to assure that all the silver is in a state which can be seen by the testing machine. The CS acid combination is boiled to dryness. Then enough distilled water is added to bring the liquid volume back up the original quantity. The silver is now a dissolved salt and is in solution. In the first test, readings from undigested CS were made of part of the same set of samples which were subjected to digestion. The PPM reading of these samples read at about 55% of the digested samples. So, if you read CS with your tester its reading will correspond quite closely to samples which were digested; or will read about 45% higher than samples which were not digested. We believe the digested samples more closely reflect what the real PPM is. Therefore we suggest you use the PWT reading as the true value of your CS PPM. Or, you may use the more conservative figure of 55% of the reading for your CS value. Initial readings will be higher than after a waiting period for the particles to evenly disburse throughout the water. Best results are obtained when you wait 24 hours for the CS to stabilize. Your PWT meter is guaranteed by the factory for a period of 1 year. If you have any problems with the unit, package it so it is protected from damage and ship it to Hanna Instruments along with a copy of your invoice from us. When calibrating your PWT, let the calibrating solution reach room temperature. The PWT has a temperature probe to adjust for different temperatures but it will hunt if the calibrating solution is changing temperature such as being brought in from a different environment. I hope the issue is a bit more clear now. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators - Original Message - From: aka Jhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:02 AM Subject: Re: CS PPM I must be really dense,,I have read the info from Silvergen, and this list,,and what I gather is: ...the Hanna PWT is right on on its reading,,also it is 45% too high.. ,,how can it be both??? - Original Message - From: Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: Re: CS PPM | Hello Robert, | | I agree very closely with your information. We market the Hanna PWT and | tell our customers the meter reads correctly on samples we have had analyzed | by the atomic absorption method but if they want to follow the information | given by Hanna, to multiply the reading by .55 to get their reading. In any | case, it's right on or 45% high. I really don't see this as a critical | problem since we're speaking only of a few parts per million. This is | briefly covered on our PPM page at our web site. We do not mention the 55% | effect since we are content to accept the AA test as being accurate. | However we do point this anomaly out on the instruction sheet we provide | with the PWT. | | What is important is the fact a person can tell from batch to batch what | they have made. The PWT is the best low cost solution to making reliable CS | from one batch
Re: CS PPM
Hi Stephen, I thought so too but the lab doing the tests for us noted the difference in readings between digestion and no digestion. Actually I asked them to do it both ways to see if there was any difference. I'm not hip enough to make any further calls on the subject. Just passing on what I'm told by them. Back to the technophobes. Trem - Original Message - From: Stephen Quinto squi...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:16 AM Subject: Re: CS PPM Trem -- The question of digestion has been addressed many times. Here is our take on it: Assuming that the standards are accurate (and appropriate to the range of sample expected) the results will be the same whatever the form of silver (whether ionized or dissolved or elemental -- digested or not) since it is spectrophotometrically quantifiable when consumed in the flame. Stephen - Original Message - From: Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:11 AM Subject: Re: CS PPM Hello Jhon, Following is the instruction sheet we ship with each PWT meter. Perhaps the issue will be more clear now. Perhaps others will argue the point. In any case, it is not really clear which methods are the best to measure the PPM of CS. However, the PWT meter gives the closest consistent readings we have seen at an affordable price. It is a good tool to show consistency of CS batch to batch, etc. Instructions on use of the PWT meter The PWT meter is designed to measure purity of water. That is, it measures conductivity of water. This is measured in micro siemens which is abbreviated µS. When you insert the meter into your distilled water, it will read the conductivity and if the reading is less than 2.0 to 3.0 µS the water is suitable for use in making CS. This means it has very little mineralization. Minerals can combine with silver in the process to form silver compounds rather than colloidal silver. We recommend using only steam distilled water to make CS. Measure the uS of your water before making CS. Make note of the value. Once you have checked your water and made your CS, insert the PWT into the CS. It will read directly in PPM minus the reading of the water previously recorded. We had several samples of our CS analyzed by two different laboratories using the atomic absorption method and tests at one of the labs was done two different ways on each sample. In the first case, the CS was tested without benefit of digestion . That means the CS water samples were analyzed by the machine without anything being done to the samples. Then the second set of samples were digested and the tests were run again. Digestion means to take the CS and combine it with nitric acid or aqua regia (nitric and hydrochloric acids) in order to completely dissolve the silver in the dispersion. This was to done to assure that all the silver is in a state which can be seen by the testing machine. The CS acid combination is boiled to dryness. Then enough distilled water is added to bring the liquid volume back up the original quantity. The silver is now a dissolved salt and is in solution. In the first test, readings from undigested CS were made of part of the same set of samples which were subjected to digestion. The PPM reading of these samples read at about 55% of the digested samples. So, if you read CS with your tester its reading will correspond quite closely to samples which were digested; or will read about 45% higher than samples which were not digested. We believe the digested samples more closely reflect what the real PPM is. Therefore we suggest you use the PWT reading as the true value of your CS PPM. Or, you may use the more conservative figure of 55% of the reading for your CS value. Initial readings will be higher than after a waiting period for the particles to evenly disburse throughout the water. Best results are obtained when you wait 24 hours for the CS to stabilize. Your PWT meter is guaranteed by the factory for a period of 1 year. If you have any problems with the unit, package it so it is protected from damage and ship it to Hanna Instruments along with a copy of your invoice from us. When calibrating your PWT, let the calibrating solution reach room temperature. The PWT has a temperature probe to adjust for different temperatures but it will hunt if the calibrating solution is changing temperature such as being brought in from a different environment. I hope the issue is a bit more clear now. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators - Original Message - From: aka Jhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:02 AM Subject: Re: CS PPM I
Re: CS PPM
Hello Robert, I agree very closely with your information. We market the Hanna PWT and tell our customers the meter reads correctly on samples we have had analyzed by the atomic absorption method but if they want to follow the information given by Hanna, to multiply the reading by .55 to get their reading. In any case, it's right on or 45% high. I really don't see this as a critical problem since we're speaking only of a few parts per million. This is briefly covered on our PPM page at our web site. We do not mention the 55% effect since we are content to accept the AA test as being accurate. However we do point this anomaly out on the instruction sheet we provide with the PWT. What is important is the fact a person can tell from batch to batch what they have made. The PWT is the best low cost solution to making reliable CS from one batch to the next and confirming the results. The TDS-1 is unacceptable for measuring PPM. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators - Original Message - From: Robert Dohr beld...@netscape.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:06 PM Subject: Re: CS PPM Greetings Seekers; Ivan, our numbers are similar (.59 to .57) but I think you may have them backwards. The instructions from Hanna and what my lab results confirmed was .59PPM/us. or take the reading in us/cm times .59 to get PPM. In my case 25.5us/cm = 15 PPM. per lab test. Also the us/cm will drop with time for the first 10-12 hrs, not rise. This appears to be due to the CS dispersing throughout the DW. Immediately after making a batch the CS is concentrated around the ion path between the electrodes. A reading taken at this time will be high and erratic. After sitting overnite the reading will be lower but stabile. After this initial dispersion the reading should not change futher. I have CS that is now several months old that still reads within 1 us/cm of when it was made. As for accuracy my PWT measures in .1us/cm up to 99.9us/cm. I calibrate it using a solution from Hanna that measures 84us. It comes in small pouches that you tear open and insert the meter. Use once and throw away. NAMASTE' Beldohr Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOptimizing voltage on simple homemade generator
Hello D, Any voltage is OK. What really makes the difference is current flow. Higher voltages start the process quicker. Lower voltage takes longer to get some silver into the water so the current can flow. What you need to do is get an inexpensive milliameter from the Shack and insert it in series with your batteries. Whenever the current starts to rise because of more silver in the water, just remove a 9 volt battery from the circuit to keep the current within limits. Admittedly that is a simplistic fix. You can get as sophisticated as you like. You can insert a variable potentiometer in series with one electrode or you can get really technical and insert a current regulator to hold it constant. As an example, we start our voltage at 40 volts and reduce it automatically to maintain 1 milliampere. The voltage may end up as low as 5 or 6 volts at the end of the process, depending on the PPM you want. Depends on how much effort you want to put into it. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: CSOptimizing voltage on simple homemade generator First of all I'd like to tip my hat as someone who rarely posts but loves to read all the messages here. Thanks to all for insightful and intelligent info, it is much appreciated even by those of us who don't frequently make ourselves known. I have been making CS for a few years now using a simple homemade apparatus I learned about here way back when I started. It is three 9V alkaline batteries wired in series and terminating in a positive and negative alligator clip on each end. However I remember reading somewhere that the ideal voltage to use for such a simple setup would be 30V (mine being 27V with three 9V batteries)...first of all is this correct? Anyhow, I went to Rat Shack and got a two-AAA battery holder and wired it in series to make a total of 30V. I have made three batches of CS in this manner and find the reaction starts sooner than it did with 27V but other than that nothing seems different. Is it worth my while to keep using the 30V setup? If not, what is the ideal voltage I could utilize here? Thanks! D. Toscano
Re: CSEd Dames mentions CS on Art Bell
Well, it certainly seems as though it could work, since HIV is a virus and CS kills virus. And of course if you aren't HIV+ and get pneumonia or some other opportunistic disease then you have pneumonia or another regular disease. If you're HIV+ and get it, then you have AIDS. It's the same with all diseases for anyone that has HIV. If you're positive, then it's AIDS. If you're HIV negative, then you have a known disease. And it seems CS kills many of those known diseases. Why not expect it to be effective with HIV and AIDS? Trem - Original Message - From: Ron Hackley f...@rosenet.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: CSEd Dames mentions CS on Art Bell Friday night (3/31/00) Art had remote viewer Ed Dr. Doom Dames on. Near the 2AM station break Ed was talking about how he'd remote viewed the AIDS virus and had been remote viewing for a cure for AIDS and cancer. I wasn't listening too closely but then Ed said that the cure seemed to have something to do with Colloidal Silver. Art said WHAT, and Ed repeated himself, adding that there are various types of colloidal silver (??) and that he wasn't sure what it meant yet. Then a station break and it wasn't brought up again (I didn't really expect it to be). Ed has a listing for a RA archive of the show (3/31/00) at http://www.psitech.net/media.htm. It says that it isn't available yet though. Since Art is retiring I don't know if an archive will appear at www.artbell.com or not. It isn't much to listen to (the minute or so mention of CS) but it sure did get my attention. Ron -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSSILVER
Hello Marshall, Pure silver cannot be tempered with heat. It will always remain soft after heating and quenching or not quenching. The only way to harden it is to do what is called drawing or working it. By stretching it, it will harden. I've been through this hoop before in trying to harden silver. When the planchet is stamped to make into a coin, that may be enough to harden it somewhat. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 7:07 PM Subject: Re: CSSILVER Many silver coins are .. Silver is normally quite soft, but besides alloying, it can be tempered to provide a hardness sufficient for coinage. Marshall Dick Jaffe wrote: .999 fine silver is too soft for coinage. It probably has nickel in it which would be a toxic addition to CS. D G wrote: yup. it says 1 oz. fine silver one dollar. retails for about nine. Dennis Subject: Re: CSSILVER Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:42:26 -0800 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:45:19 -0600 From: Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America jdkl...@netzero.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com what kind of coin? is it a US coin? jd ps. if anyone wants to make $20, go to this site: https://preview.x.com/new_account.asp?referrer=jdkl...@netzero.net you can get referral fees too? -Original Message- From: D G djg5...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 5:35 PM Subject: CSSILVER i just got a coin that says one ounce fine silver on it, but isn't stamped .999 fine . is it good enuff for cs? Dennis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: CSLASER CS
Hi Bret, Sometimes it's easier to see the beam if you hold it behind the vessel and direct the light toward you and down a bit, making sure it doesn't shine in your eyes. That way you're looking into the length of the beam instead of across it.The particles show up much better doing it that way. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators - Original Message - From: 2001 TV VCR x2...@qnet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:11 AM Subject: CSLASER CS I just started testing the CS that I make, using a pocket laser and there is no red beam visible inside the glass even though the latest batch is quite yellow. Testing some store bought 10ppm (also yellow) I do see the red beam however it is very faint and only visible in a dark room. The laser does have a narrow beam and is very bright (produces a small red circle on a wall 30 feet away). Need advice. Bret -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPredictions for the year 2000
Hi James, This URL doesn't work for me. Any other ideas? http://sightings.com/politics5/wakeup_people.htm Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: RE: CSPredictions for the year 2000 Hi Marshall, The one that concerns me the most is not a prophesy; it is in the United States Code: http://sightings.com/politics5/wakeup_people.htm James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 9:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPredictions for the year 2000 If even 25% of these come true we are going to have an exciting year! http://paranormal.about.com/culture/paranormal/library/weekly/aa122799a.htm Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSA virus is among us...
Fellow Listers, On 12/17 I received a post from the list which had the header CSLupus. The text was a light blue/green background with large letters spelling http://stuart.messagemates.com/index.html and underneath that was the following: Hypercool Happy New Year 2000 funny programs and animations... We attached our recent animation from this site in our mail ! Check it out ! There was an attachment called monica.exe. I clicked it and nothing seemed to happen except I got an error message saying a dll file could not be found, so it wouldn't install. Was I wrong! I didn't think much more of it until some of my friends on my mailing list got an email from me with an attachment called panthr.exe or panther exe. A little sleuthing turned up a new virus which is known as W32 NewApt. Worm. What it does is grab your mailing list and send the same message (itself) to everyone, anytime your modem is on. It only affects users that have Microsoft Outlook or Netscape Navigator. This virus was first discovered in Italy on 12/14 so you can see it didn't take long to get around. And it's going to spread quickly if it mails itself to everyone on anybody's mail list and then everyone on that list and so on. The above message about Happy New Year 2000 will show up if you have an HTML capable email setup. Otherwise, the message will say the following in plain text on a white background. he, your lame client cant read HTML, haha. click attachment to see some stunningly HOT stuff One way to tell if you are infected is to ask people you know if they received it. If so, you probably gave it to them. Another way is to double click on the little double computer down on the lower right part of your task bar. This brings up the modem dialog box with the connection speed and disconnect dialog. If you see the modem is receiving and sending and you aren't doing anything to cause it to, it is probably busy sending itself to all those people on your email list. You can't remove this worm because it installs itself in your registry and reloads itself every time you turn the computer on. There is an easy way to remove it if you think you are infected. It requires modifying the registry using regedit. If you think you have been infected, let me know and I'll email you the fix. It requires you to modify the registry, so you can see it's pretty serious. Just trying to delete the file will not work. If you have Norton Anti Virus, you can protect your self by downloading the current virus definitions by LiveUpdaate or from the Download Virus Definition Updates page. If too many of you ask, I'll post the fix to the list but I'm hesitant to because of the fact you have to modify the registry. Techy folks should have no problem but if you are not techy, perhaps you should locate a friend to help you. The steps are very simple but there is a danger of corrupting the registry if you don't do it correctly. Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com
Re: CSLupus
Did anyone else get this? I was unable to open it. What is it? Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: silver-list@eskimo.com To: t...@silvergen.com Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 6:29 PM Subject: CSLupus http://stuart.messagemates.com/index.html Hypercool Happy New Year 2000 funny programs and animations... We attached our recent animation from this site in our mail ! Check it out !
Re: CSChristmas tree
Hi Marshall, Did you use full strength CS only? Or did you add it to the water in the base? We're trying it; starting today using 15-20 PPM full strength. Looking forward to a tree that lasts for a while instead of turning into a fire hazard or a pile of needles. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:06 AM Subject: Re: CSChristmas tree GaryJanine wrote: Awhile back I read something about an experiment with fresh cut flowers and CS. I bought a real Xmas tree about 6 days ago and it didn't appear to be doing too well, it wasn't drinking water and a lot of needles were falling off(the guy at the tree lot assured me it was cut down only a few days ago-right!) Anyway I remembered this cut flower experiment and decided to try CS in the tree water-this was 2 -3 days after getting my tree. It really made a difference! Now the tree is drinking about 1/2 gal or so of water a day(so far) and hardly any needles are falling off! Try it ! Yes, as I reported here about a week ago, last year when we put our Christmas tree in CS, the needles stayed on until the middle of April, even though the tree had been discarded in the back yard in Jan. and had been given no water for 3 months. An identical tree without the CS lost it's needles before Jan. 1 even though it was in water the whole time.. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHello List
Hello Andy, We don't recommend heating the water. It speeds the process but also makes large particles, especially if you are using a constant voltage setup which you are. Never add salt or anything else to the water. You want a silver colloid; not silver compounds. They are not the same. The strands you speak of are what we all can see during production if you shine a strong flashlight or laser beam through the water. That is the silver. The particles will separate and disperse in several hours and then you will see the yellow color. If you don't see it, it is probably because you didn't deposit enough silver in the water for it to become apparent to you. Try running for a longer period of time and then you will probably see the yellow color. Plating out is not exactly the same as fallout. Plating is the golden or yellow color you will see on the inside of your vessel after a while. Some fine particles can plate out. Fallout is what is in the bottom of your vessel. That is from large particles which couldn't stay in dispersion. The dregs will stay in the filter paper. If your CS isn't very clear at the end of your filtering process, most likely you made it using water which wasn't pure enough. We have golden colored CS sitting on the shelf which is a year old with no fallout. Small particles tend not to fall out. I guess that is my recommendation to use a constant current source when you make CS. Using constant voltage will make a mix of large and small particles, so I suspect you will not have long shelf life. However, you can easily make more anytime with your setup, so why worry about it. Good luck. Trem - Original Message - From: ascottx...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 8:46 PM Subject: Re: CSHello List Thanks for the response Trem, I've heard of people heating up the water, adding things to it, and using a previous batch as a starter to speed up the process but hey, who's in a hurry when you're just getting started? Also, I've heard the above increases particle size. Any thoughts on that? I've also heard that it is supposed to turn yellow. Mine didn't, It just had thin strands coming out of the electrodes. Should I care about a yellow color? The coffee filters sound like a good idea. I did see dregs (silver oxide)? floating around in it. You mentioned plating out. Is that sediment falling to the bottom of the container? One last question. I guess we're concerned about the silver being ionic. How long before it looses it's charge? More specifically, what kind of shelf life should I expect before I need to make a new batch? Thanks for your time Andy (^_^) Hello Andy, Welcome. You did good. The only thing I would suggest is to wait until the particles have dispersed throughout the water. This will take about 12 hours. That way you are sure of an even distribution of the silver. Storing in brown containers is OK if you don't want to see how it is doing. Storing in clear HDPE containers such as soft drink containers will let you see whether the CS is plating out. Don't store in direct sunlight or near magnetic fields or in the refrigerator. They all cause fallout. Don't shake it before use. Filter it through a coffee filter after you make it do get rid of dregs. You have made what we call basic CS. It may have particles of various sizes. The large ones will fall out. Fine ones will stay in suspension. Make sure you use distilled water. Most persons start with a small amount and work up to the amount they feel comfortable with. I suggest you start with one teaspoon a day and work you way up to what you feel comfortable with. If you don't have problems, that may be a good prophylactic dose. If you have problems, take more and observe your reactions. It is pretty hard to overdose unless you have made your CS improperly. Good luck. Trem t...@silvergen.com Hello List, My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is what I did. Please let me know if it was right. I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2 apart. I connected a lab bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological.
Re: CSCommercial Purchase of CS
Hello Ron, Why not make it yourself. You'll know what you have and it will certainly be less expensive. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: ronu...@en.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 11:55 PM Subject: CSCommercial Purchase of CS I bought a few bottles of CS from Gero Vita several months ago. I just tried to reorder and was told that it was discontinued. Where can I buy CS? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHello List
Hello Andy, Welcome. You did good. The only thing I would suggest is to wait until the particles have dispersed throughout the water. This will take about 12 hours. That way you are sure of an even distribution of the silver. Storing in brown containers is OK if you don't want to see how it is doing. Storing in clear HDPE containers such as soft drink containers will let you see whether the CS is plating out. Don't store in direct sunlight or near magnetic fields or in the refrigerator. They all cause fallout. Don't shake it before use. Filter it through a coffee filter after you make it do get rid of dregs. You have made what we call basic CS. It may have particles of various sizes. The large ones will fall out. Fine ones will stay in suspension. Make sure you use distilled water. Most persons start with a small amount and work up to the amount they feel comfortable with. I suggest you start with one teaspoon a day and work you way up to what you feel comfortable with. If you don't have problems, that may be a good prophylactic dose. If you have problems, take more and observe your reactions. It is pretty hard to overdose unless you have made your CS improperly. Good luck. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: ascottx...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: ascottx...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:58 PM Subject: CSHello List Hello List, My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is what I did. Please let me know if it was right. I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2 apart. I connected a lab bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological. 1) Can anyone tell me if this is the correct procedure for the desired particle size? 2) How about the shelf life for bottling the stuff? I thought I would use amber beer bottles with crown caps. Store in a cool dark place. 3) Dose anyone know if CS has been known to compromise a damaged liver? (HCV) 4) What quantity should be taken for a chronic condition? (killing a virus) Thank you for your time Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSLupus
Hello Mike,
Do I understand your wife was checked for Lupus and in fact did have it and
then she took CS to help?
Trem
t...@silvergen.com
- Original Message -
From: Mike Marr m...@clarkandclark.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:06 AM
Subject: CSRe: OT miscarriage
On Thursday, December 02, 1999 4:48 PM, Marsha Hallett wrote:
it's still hard to say goodbye.
Yup.
Diane
Date: 02-Dec-1999 14:48:40 -0800
From: Marsha Hallett
To: m...@jazz {silver-l...@eskimo.com}
Subject: Re: CSRe: OT Diane/miscarriage
I know, too...lost my second one at 3 months. It hurt both ways.
Fortunately my four others are now healthy adults.
Marsha
My wife and I lost a child at five months. This is what caused the
doctors to run the test for Lupus. At the same time, some friends
suggested CS. Since then, my wife's health has been great after changing
eating habits, lots of exercise, water CS. After the last miscarriage,
we were told she would be in harm's way if she were to get pregnant
again. Well, our daughter is two years old, my wife and daughter are
both well, and CS is used as a daily health maintenance plan for the
whole family. Sorry, but just had to share. :)
Gigat,
Mike M.
Michael Marr
Financial Analyst
Clark Clark
901.537.2221 (Direct)
901.537.2233 (Facsimile)
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Re: CSTDS
The TDS-1 lists for $14.90. It's not much of a meter. Too inaccurate. The PWT meter is 10 times more accurate. It lists for $44.50. But I guess you can't look a gift horse in the mouth; after all, it is a free ride. Trem - Original Message - From: D G djg5...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 10:54 AM Subject: RE: CSTDS i'm getting a meter from the site that is offering free ones worth (they say) $59.95. i'll post the results when it gets here and i make a batch. Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSTDS and PWT meter
Hi Ted, From Hanna Instruments. www.hannainst.com PWT stands for pure water tester. It reads in microsiemens. I have been having tests done on our CS for PPM using the atomic absorption test method and it turns out the PWT reading correlates exactly to the PPM results from the labs. I think but am not sure it will read the CS PPM if the water was pure to start with. All my readings were less than 2 microsiemens in steam distilled water prior to starting the generator. I'm still running tests but the PWT really looks good to me for a cheap and dirty way to check PPM if you always start with GOOD water. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: Re: CSTDS where do you order this pwt meter from? Ted Trem Williams wrote: The TDS-1 lists for $14.90. It's not much of a meter. Too inaccurate. The PWT meter is 10 times more accurate. It lists for $44.50. But I guess you can't look a gift horse in the mouth; after all, it is a free ride. Trem - Original Message - From: D G djg5...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 10:54 AM Subject: RE: CSTDS i'm getting a meter from the site that is offering free ones worth (they say) $59.95. i'll post the results when it gets here and i make a batch. Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSCyanide, mercury and gold.
Kass, you are right and so is Dennis. Cyanide was used to dissolve gold in the crushed ore which had been dug from the ground by miners. The acid leached the gold out. The gold was then extracted from the acid. That was one method of hardrock mining. Mercury was sometimes used to amalgamate and recover native or solid gold from streams, rivers and dry washes where water had deposited the gold in previous times. The water had carried the gold to the place it was found by the miners. As mentioned in an earlier post, the gold was then separated from the mercury by mechanical means and the use of heat. Recovering solid, water deposited surface gold is known as placer mining. Both methods are still in use today in various parts of the world. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Kass ka...@harborside.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 10:34 PM Subject: Re: CSUnidentified subject! I believe cyanide is what miners use. Kass - Original Message - From: D G djg5...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 10:05 AM Subject: CSUnidentified subject! i think that it does. that's why miners use mercry to seperate gold from sand and crushed ore. Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMelting Silver and the rebuttal.
Sorry Marshall, the encyclopedia reference you cite is incorrect. I suspect it is an old edition. Gold and silver are NEVER dissolved by mercury. They are amalgamated as the reference says but never dissolved. As an experiment, I suggest you take a given quantity of either gold or silver, powdered. ground, pulverized or in chunks small or large and put it into some mercury. The metal will amalgamate with the mercury (that is, all particles will be coated by the liquid mercury but never penetrated by the mercury) and will always be separable by heat. That is the distillation (boiling off)(I called it flashing off) the reference speaks of. The noble metal (gold or silver) will NEVER reduce in weight or volume. The two metals (mercury is a metal) will always separate from each other by the use of heat. If you boiled them together for a hundred years, they would always be separable. Each would retain its original characteristics. It would no longer be an amalgam. That's the beauty of distillation. It allows us to separate things by using temperature. Sometimes cold: sometimes hot. As to your reference of filling teeth. Once again it is wrong. A silver amalgam is used to fill cavities. The amalgam is a given amount of mercury and a given amount of silver. They are mixed together to form an amalgam; or paste. The amalgam hardens in the mouth. That amalgam is nothing more than silver and mercury combined into a dense silver/mercury lump. If you take a silver filling from a persons mouth and heat it, the mercury will flash off, (distill) leaving the same amount of silver that was used at the start. And the silver will be in exactly the same size particles and shape it was when the amalgam was formed. It was not dissolved, it was amalgamated. The two metals are always separable. And the noble metal will always be the same shape, size and weight it was originally. If that is true, then the silver wasn't dissolved was it? It was surrounded but never penetrated. I chose to believe you believe the quote you used. It is incorrect..if it was an encyclopedia it was badly researched on this specific subject. I don't mean to be argumentative but some research will show the facts. Distillation works, always has, always will. When mercury (a metal) disassociates from noble metals it always leaves the metals in their original shape and size. It's no different than taking the water/sugar example and seeing what happens after distillation. They will separate; always. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 8:45 PM Subject: Re: CSMelting Silver Check on gold mining. One of the most used techniques for removing gold from ore is to dissolve it in mercury, then boil the mercury off, leaving gold. Mercury can also dissolve silver and in the right proportions, is used to fill teeth. When mercury is mixed with gold or silver it is called an amalgam. See http://ukdb.web.aol.com/hutchinson/encyclopedia/00/M0016400.htm: Amalgamation, the process of forming an amalgam, is a technique sometimes used to extract gold and silver from their ores. The ores are ground to a fine sand and brought into contact with mercury, which dissolves the gold and silver particles. The amalgam is then heated to distil the mercury, leaving a residue of silver and gold. The mercury is recovered and reused. Almagamation to extract gold from its ore has been in use since Roman times. Marshall Trem Williams wrote: Hi Marshall, Hate to be argumentative but gold will NOT dissolve in mercury. Trem - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 10:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMelting Silver Charles King wrote: Silver melts at 1762 degrees F, Stainless Steel at 2500 F. I don't see how any contamination would occur. The same way that gold will dissolve in mercury at room temperature, or sugar in water. Once the silver is liquid other metals can dissolve in it at temperatures far below their melting point. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSAmalgam fillings (was Melting Silver etc)
Nope. Dentists are hard to teach. They still say silver amalgam is OK. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: D G djg5...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 5:55 AM Subject: Re: CSAmalgam fillings (was Melting Silver etc) i thought they stopped using mercury in fillings ears ago due to the toxicity. Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS product--yellow color
Ok Mike, but one more thought. Perhaps it would be wise for us to make sure we get to the yellow color when producing CS (LVDC only) and keep it in a clear container. That way, a person can see if the stuff is any good. Trem - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 10:43 AM Subject: Re: CS product I think she got the idea from Marsha.Marsha made some CS with dead batteries, (grin) and ended up dosing her flu with distilled water instead of CS. Would you call that a double blind test? ;~) Okay, behave yourselves youse guys! Marsha made an honest mistake and she paid for it! Enough with the ribbing already... Pass the barbecue sauce! GRI Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMelting Silver
Hi Marshall, Hate to be argumentative but gold will NOT dissolve in mercury. Trem - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 10:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMelting Silver Charles King wrote: Silver melts at 1762 degrees F, Stainless Steel at 2500 F. I don't see how any contamination would occur. The same way that gold will dissolve in mercury at room temperature, or sugar in water. Once the silver is liquid other metals can dissolve in it at temperatures far below their melting point. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSMercury and Gold
Sorry Dennis but you're wrong too. The miners used mercury to amalgamate the gold. That means to make the gold stick to the mercury or vice versa. They would rub a generous amount of mercury on clean copper sheets and place the sheets in their sluice boxes. When the gravel, sand, mud and water passed through the box, the gold and any noble metals would stick to the plate. At the end of the day they would then remove the plate and use a squeegee to wipe the gold and other metals stuck to the mercury off the plate. They would then wring the mercury out through a sheet of chamois. The mercury would pass through the chamois leaving the metal in an amalgamated lump in the chamois. They would then drive the mercury off the lump by using heat and what was left was the metal that had been trapped in the mercury. They then separated the gold from other metals using different techniques. One of the basic ones was to heat the metal lump in a crucible with some antimony. Antimony is called the wolf in alchemical terms. That is because it eats all metals EXCEPT gold. It flies off in the form of dense white smoke and carries all metals except gold with it. The gold left behind is considered pure. If there was a lot of silver in the mix, they would use other processes to get it and would not use antimony because the silver would be lost. But if there was little metal other than gold, the antimony process was favored for it's simplicity. Gold and all noble metals stick to mercury; they do not dissolve in mercury. They can always be separated from mercury by heat. It's called distillation if you recover the mercury. It's called flashing off if you let the mercury go into the atmosphere. Hope this clears the subject up to your satisfaction. Sorry to be off topic Mike. Trem - Original Message - From: D G djg5...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 10:05 AM Subject: CSUnidentified subject! i think that it does. that's why miners use mercry to seperate gold from sand and crushed ore. Dennis 51/50 24/7 Trem Williams customer_serv...@silvergen.com
Re: CSSpectrophotometer, atomic absorption and colorimeter testing for PPM
Hi Mike, Here's something else to throw us off. I just had several samples measured for PPM by a lab using the atomic absorption process. I asked them if they digested the CS before running the test. Answer was yes. I asked them to run the test on each sample two times; once with and once without digestion. I did this because another lab had done the same tests for me without using digestion. I was interested in seeing what differences would be uncovered. Well, the results were strikingly different. With digestion (and by that I mean boiling in aqua regia) the PPM in 16 ounces of water using constant current production was about 3.5 PPM per hour. The highest reading sample was 35 PPM after running the generator for 10 hours and the reading for 5 hours was 18 PPM. Pretty straightforward I thought but then the undigested samples threw me off. They were 19 PPM for the 10 hour run and 11 PPM for the 5 hour run. These readings were still proportionate to time but only about 54-58% of the digested readings. The chemist told me that you cannot get accurate readings without complete digestion. I wonder how many of those using spectrophotometers, such as Ole Bob digest their samples. He told me once that he bleached the samples but didn't mention digestion. Since I really don't know that much about the process, I can't speak with much authority but I suspect that those using spectrophotometers would also get much different readings between digesting and not digesting their samples. I'd be interested in hearing reports from those who have them if they could run the tests both ways. As a side note, I tried a Hanna instrument silver colorimeter and was disappointed. One used 4 different chemicals to react with the sample and the blank and then measured the color difference. When I ran the unit to test undigested CS, the reading was always zero PPM. In order to see if the unit was operable, I dissolved 1 mg silver in nitric acid by boiling and then added it to enough distilled water to get a 1 PPM standard solution. When I tested this sample, the unit did give a reading but it was very low (about 30% of the actual PPM). I sent the unit back because it was not working accurately enough with my home made standard and didn't work at all with the undigested CS. Afterward, I was told by the lab that did my last tests that digestion in nitric is not good enough. One should use aqua regia for complete digestion. So the upshot of all this to me was that you have to digest completely to get an accurate reading of the total amount of silver in the dispersion. It is possible I could have gotten better results from the Hanna unit if I had used aqua regia but I didn't know it at the time. There is so much controversy about this I am beginning to think there's some voodoo involved in getting accuracy. Back to youse guys. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 3:33 AM Subject: RE: CSwet chem why not shop the net for a used spectrophotometer? I have seen several which will do the trick for about 400. You can get excellent really high-end but obsolete stuff for a bit more. Just curious: what kind of capability does this kind of spec have? What range of wavelengths, UV, visible? Is wavelength fixed, manually selected, scanned? Computer interface? What other parameters are important in evaluating the quality of such an instrument? Sensitivity? Resolution? If I understand correctly, you use the hach reagents to digest and mark the silver, then read the absorption on the spec. This is at a fixed set of wavelengths, one wavelength, ... or what? Essentially colorimitry? I'm looking for an overview, just so I understand how the pieces fit a little better. If an investment of a grand would give me the ability to do what I want to do, it'd be just worth thinking about. I have just begun recording mS of my batches to plot against analyzed mg/L, more out of curiosity than anything else. Bruce Marx told me a couple of years ago that he had very poor correlation. Yeah, who knows with the hvac product? You could have such dependency on water quality or other seemingly minor variables that it might not work *because of the nature of the product*. But for a narrow range of process conditions, Ivan is showing us a decent correlation between ppm and conductivity in at least his lvdc process. . And, knowing PPM, even with precision, is not very helpful in terms of effectiveness it you don't know anything about particle size. Which is one thing Marshall, I think, told us: there is a correlation between absorption vs. wavelength vs. particle size. Which is why it would be useful to have a scanning, or scannable, spectrophotometer sensitive enough to directly detect the absoption characteristics of samples of CS. We are also into the realm of how many Angels
Re: CSSpectrophotometer, atomic absorption and colorimeter testing for PPM
Hi Marshall, Thanks for the info. Glad I'm not the only one that had no luck with the Hanna unit. I'm pleased to hear you got about the percentage as I did. Makes me feel much better at my digestion technique. It'll be great to hear what other folks are doing as far as digestion. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 11:34 AM Subject: Re: CSSpectrophotometer, atomic absorption and colorimeter testing for PPM Trem Williams wrote: Hi Mike, Here's something else to throw us off. I just had several samples measured for PPM by a lab using the atomic absorption process. I asked them if they digested the CS before running the test. Answer was yes. I asked them to run the test on each sample two times; once with and once without digestion. I did this because another lab had done the same tests for me without using digestion. I was interested in seeing what differences would be uncovered. Well, the results were strikingly different. With digestion (and by that I mean boiling in aqua regia) the PPM in 16 ounces of water using constant current production was about 3.5 PPM per hour. The highest reading sample was 35 PPM after running the generator for 10 hours and the reading for 5 hours was 18 PPM. Pretty straightforward I thought but then the undigested samples threw me off. They were 19 PPM for the 10 hour run and 11 PPM for the 5 hour run. These readings were still proportionate to time but only about 54-58% of the digested readings. The chemist told me that you cannot get accurate readings without complete digestion. I wonder how many of those using spectrophotometers, such as Ole Bob digest their samples. He told me once that he bleached the samples but didn't mention digestion. We always digest our samples. Since I really don't know that much about the process, I can't speak with much authority but I suspect that those using spectrophotometers would also get much different readings between digesting and not digesting their samples. I'd be interested in hearing reports from those who have them if they could run the tests both ways. As a side note, I tried a Hanna instrument silver colorimeter and was disappointed. One used 4 different chemicals to react with the sample and the blank and then measured the color difference. When I ran the unit to test undigested CS, the reading was always zero PPM. In order to see if the unit was operable, I dissolved 1 mg silver in nitric acid by boiling and then added it to enough distilled water to get a 1 PPM standard solution. When I tested this sample, the unit did give a reading but it was very low (about 30% of the actual PPM). I sent the unit back because it was not working accurately enough with my home made standard and didn't work at all with the undigested CS. Yes, I bought a Hanna first also, and got results of about 20% to 30% of the true ppm. It is sitting on a shelf here somewhere, never to be used again. Afterward, I was told by the lab that did my last tests that digestion in nitric is not good enough. One should use aqua regia for complete digestion. So the upshot of all this to me was that you have to digest completely to get an accurate reading of the total amount of silver in the dispersion. It is possible I could have gotten better results from the Hanna unit if I had used aqua regia but I didn't know it at the time. Nitric should be good enough if you boil it dry, then add nitric a second time and heat to boiling. That is what I do. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSThyroiditis Help?
Hi Kass Could you tell me what strength (percentage) iodine you used? Was it pure iodine, betadyne, or other? Thanks, Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Kass ka...@harborside.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSThyroiditis Help? Hi Christian, I experienced the same thing, and was on Synthroid until two years ago, when I started on Armour (spelling), a natural thyroid supplement. Then I saw a holistic Dr. who put a drop of iodine on my arm and told me to wait 8hrs and see if the dot disappeared. If it did, and it did, to start putting a drop on my arm every day. It's been 6 months and I stopped using the pills 3 months ago. My thyroid gland doesn't have that pressure feeling it had for years. Have your friend give it a try. Keep smiling, Kass - Original Message - From: Christian von Wechmar christ...@owf.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 2:56 AM Subject: CSThyroiditis Help? Hi List, Does anyone have some advice for healing thyroid disorders? I have a good friend (female, 43, good general health) who has a thyroid ailment she says the doctors call thyroiditis and multinodular thyroid. Apparently, it is neither goiter nor an overactive thyroid. Her thyroid has become underactive. She is currently taking some allopathic medicine for this condition. CS would of course be a good choice of treatment if some bugs are involved. But isn't thyroid trouble mostly a result of inadequate iodine intake? Or arsenic poisoning? I would appreciate any advice you folks might have. Regards, Christian -- Christian von Wechmar Stellenbosch, South Africa christ...@owf.co.za -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSmail order source for brown glass bottles?
Try beer or wine bottles. You can use an expandable stopper to seal them. And if you're inclined, emptying them can be fun. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Strider stri...@blountsville.net To: Silver Colloidal silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 5:16 AM Subject: CSmail order source for brown glass bottles? Does anybody know a mail order source for reasonably priced brown glass bottles appropriate for use with colloidal silver? I checked with my local pharmacy, and the prices they were asking, even for a bulk purchase, seemed exorbitant. Tom -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS OT SLS
Just trying to be a devils advocate I suggest reading the info at this URL regarding Sodium Laurel Sulfate and Sodium Laureth Sulfate. It seems that this post has been making the rounds and might be considered an urban legend. http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/aa090998.htm It would be nice to know the truth about this item but I think there is a scare tactic here that's a bit overboard. Our cancer rate didn't go from 1 in 8000 in the 80's to 1 in 3 in the 90's as it says in this letter. I think a grain of salt is in order with this one. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: James Houston-McMillan To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 2:42 AM Subject: CS OT SLS Subject: Serious Check the ingredients listed on your shampoo bottle, and see if they have a substance by the name of Sodium Laureth Sulfate, or simply SLS. This substance is found in most shampoos, and the manufacturers use it because it produces a lot of foam and it is cheap. BUT the fact is that SLS is used to scrub garage floors, and it is very strong. It is also proven that it can cause cancer in the long run, and this is no joke. I went home and checked my shampoo (Vidal Sasoon); it doesn't contain it; however, others such as Vo5, Palmolive, Paul Mitchell, the new Hemp Shampoo .. contain this substance. The first ingredient listed (which means it is the single most prevalent ingredient) in Clairol's Herbal Essences is Sodium Laureth Sulfate. So I called one company, and I told them their product contains a substance that will cause people to have cancer. They said,Yeah, we knew about it but there is nothing we can do about it because we need that substance to produce foam. By the way Colgate toothpaste also contains the same substance to produce the bubbles. They said they are going to send me some information. Research has shown that in the 1980s, the chance of getting cancer is 1 out of 8000 and now, in the 1990s, the chances of getting cancer is 1 out of 3, which is very serious. So I hope that you will take this seriously and pass this on to all the people you know, and hopefully, we can stop giving ourselves the cancer virus. This is serious, after you have read this, pass it on to as many people as possible, this is not a chain letter, but it concerns our health. Michelle Hailey Executive Secretary University of Pennsylvania Health System Office of Legal Affairs (215) 662-2546
Re: CS OT SLS
- Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:15 AM Subject: RE: CS OT SLS Hi Trem, et al, I am beginning to hear bad things about Laural Sulfate, Sodium or Ammonium. It is on my list. What is the overall CA rate Trem? Last time I checked it was 1 in 4. I don't have exact info but what I saw last was 1 in 4. It was in a health newsletter we subscribe to. Pretty high and alarming isn't it? Trem James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Trem Williams [SMTP:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:56 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS OT SLS File: ATT3.html Just trying to be a devils advocate I suggest reading the info at this URL regarding Sodium Laurel Sulfate and Sodium Laureth Sulfate. It seems that this post has been making the rounds and might be considered an urban legend. http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/ aa090998.htm It would be nice to know the truth about this item but I think there is a scare tactic here that's a bit overboard. Our cancer rate didn't go from 1 in 8000 in the 80's to 1 in 3 in the 90's as it says in this letter. I think a grain of salt is in order with this one. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: James Houston-McMillan To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 2:42 AM Subject: CS OT SLS Subject: Serious Check the ingredients listed on your shampoo bottle, and see if they have a substance by the name of Sodium Laureth Sulfate, or simply SLS. This substance is found in most shampoos, and the manufacturers use it because it produces a lot of foam and it is cheap. BUT the fact is that SLS is used to scrub garage floors, and it is very strong. It is also proven that it can cause cancer in the long run, and this is no joke. I went home and checked my shampoo (Vidal Sasoon); it doesn't contain it; however, others such as Vo5, Palmolive, Paul Mitchell, the new Hemp Shampoo .. contain this substance. The first ingredient listed (which means it is the single most prevalent ingredient) in Clairol's Herbal Essences is Sodium Laureth Sulfate. So I called one company, and I told them their product contains a substance that will cause people to have cancer. They said,Yeah, we knew about it but there is nothing we can do about it because we need that substance to produce foam. By the way Colgate toothpaste also contains the same substance to produce the bubbles. They said they are going to send me some information. Research has shown that in the 1980s, the chance of getting cancer is 1 out of 8000 and now, in the 1990s, the chances of getting cancer is 1 out of 3, which is very serious. So I hope that you will take this seriously and pass this on to all the people you know, and hopefully, we can stop giving ourselves the cancer virus. This is serious, after you have read this, pass it on to as many people as possible, this is not a chain letter, but it concerns our health. Michelle Hailey Executive Secretary University of Pennsylvania Health System Office of Legal Affairs (215) 662-2546 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Trem/ SLS
Hi Katarina, Somehow the URL got scrambled a bit. Try this one. http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/aa09 0998.htm Trem - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:54 AM Subject: CSRe: Trem/ SLS Hi Trem, I tried to go to the site you mentioned and couldn't. Is the URL right? I'm very curious about this issue. Thanks, katarina Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:55:51 -0800 From: Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS OT SLS Message-ID: 003301bf2613$eae56700$66e4e...@tremwms Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0030_01BF25D0.D9628140 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF25D0.D9628140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just trying to be a devils advocate I suggest reading the info at this = URL regarding Sodium Laurel Sulfate and Sodium Laureth Sulfate. It = seems that this post has been making the rounds and might be considered = an urban legend.=20 = http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/a= a090998.htm It would be nice to know the truth about this item but I think there is = a scare tactic here that's a bit overboard. Our cancer rate didn't go = from 1 in 8000 in the 80's to 1 in 3 in the 90's as it says in this = letter. I think a grain of salt is in order with this one. Trem t...@silvergen.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSTest
http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/aa09 0998.htm Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Trem/ SLS Hi Katarina, Somehow the URL got scrambled a bit. Try this one. http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/aa09 0998.htm Trem - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:54 AM Subject: CSRe: Trem/ SLS Hi Trem, I tried to go to the site you mentioned and couldn't. Is the URL right? I'm very curious about this issue. Thanks, katarina Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:55:51 -0800 From: Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS OT SLS Message-ID: 003301bf2613$eae56700$66e4e...@tremwms Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0030_01BF25D0.D9628140 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF25D0.D9628140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just trying to be a devils advocate I suggest reading the info at this = URL regarding Sodium Laurel Sulfate and Sodium Laureth Sulfate. It = seems that this post has been making the rounds and might be considered = an urban legend.=20 = http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/a= a090998.htm It would be nice to know the truth about this item but I think there is = a scare tactic here that's a bit overboard. Our cancer rate didn't go = from 1 in 8000 in the 80's to 1 in 3 in the 90's as it says in this = letter. I think a grain of salt is in order with this one. Trem t...@silvergen.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Trem/ SLS
Hi Katarina, For some reason the URL gets scrambled each time and the last of it is cut off. I'll try to break it into two parts and you can type the URL into your search engine instead of clicking on it. http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/ aa090998.htm Be sure to add the aa090998.htm right after the backslash at the end of the URL. Hopefully it will work. At least it does for me. Good luck. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Trem/ SLS Hi Katarina, Somehow the URL got scrambled a bit. Try this one. http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/aa09 0998.htm /aa09 0998.htm Trem - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:54 AM Subject: CSRe: Trem/ SLS Hi Trem, I tried to go to the site you mentioned and couldn't. Is the URL right? I'm very curious about this issue. Thanks, katarina Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:55:51 -0800 From: Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS OT SLS Message-ID: 003301bf2613$eae56700$66e4e...@tremwms Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0030_01BF25D0.D9628140 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF25D0.D9628140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just trying to be a devils advocate I suggest reading the info at this = URL regarding Sodium Laurel Sulfate and Sodium Laureth Sulfate. It = seems that this post has been making the rounds and might be considered = an urban legend.=20 = http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekly/a= a090998.htm It would be nice to know the truth about this item but I think there is = a scare tactic here that's a bit overboard. Our cancer rate didn't go = from 1 in 8000 in the 80's to 1 in 3 in the 90's as it says in this = letter. I think a grain of salt is in order with this one. Trem t...@silvergen.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Trem/SLS/FORBIDDEN
Hi Katarina, W w This is very weird. Sure, I'll see if I can cut and paste it. By golly I think it might work! As you can see, this message is the same one signed by the legal person at some University in the previous post. I'm suspicious of these legends. Need more proof in most cases. Trem t...@silvergen.com Wed, Nov 3, 1999 David Emery - your About.com Guide to: Urban Legends and Folklore What is sodium laureth sulfate ...and why are people saying those awful things about it? Dateline: 09/09/98 (Updated: 04/21/99) The latest dire health warning to circulate by email claims that sodium laureth sulfate, a synthetic chemical found in brand-name shampoos, causes cancer. As is typical of such warnings, the message is unsigned and cites no references to support its claims. [UPDATE: As also commonly happens with chain letters, this one has picked up false signatures after the fact. This is usually the result of someone with an authoritative-sounding title forwarding the message with their .sig file attached, which then becomes a permanent part of the text. As near as I can determine, the name Michelle Hailey first began appearing on a version of this message in September 1998, approximately two months after the original (unsigned) version was first sighted. The signed version quickly surpassed the original in popularity, but Hailey denied authoring the email in an Oct. 20, 1998 article in the Daily Tennessean.] This is not a chain letter, the message concludes, but it is one. As you shall see, its purpose is not to inform, but to frighten: Subject: FW: SHAMPOO ALERT!!! MUST READ!!! Importance: High Check the ingredients listed on your shampoo bottle, and see if they have this substance by the name of Sodium Laureth Sulfate or simply SLS. This substance is found in most shampoo, the manufactures use it because it produces a lot of foam and it is cheap. BUT the fact is that SLS is used to scrub garage floors, and it is very strong. It is also proven that it can cause cancer in the long run, and this is no joke. Well, I went home and check my shampoo (Vidal Sasoon), it hasn't got it, but others such as Vo5, Palmolive etc..they've got this substance, so I've called up to one of the company (u must think I had nothing better to do, no, I am just concerned about our health) well, I told them their product contains a substance that will cause people to have cancer, and u know what they said, they said Yeah.we knew about it but there is nothing we can do about it coz we need that substance to produce foam, oh, by the way the Colgate toothpaste also contains the same substance to produce the bubbles. Oh my God, I've been using the Colgate since when I was born, what the world is that, are we going to die very soon. They said they are going to send me some info. Research have shown that in the 1980s, the chance of getting cancer is 1 out of 8000 and now in the 1990s, the chances of getting cancer is 1 out of 3 which is very serious. So I hope that you will take this seriousness and pass on this to all the people you know, and hopefully, we can stop giving ourselves the cancer virus. This is serious, after you have read this, pass it on to as many people as possible, this is not a chain letter, but it concerns our health. Questions and answers: Q: Is sodium laureth sulfate commonly found in shampoos and toothpastes? A: Shampoos, yes; toothpastes, no. Q: Is sodium laureth sulfate known to cause cancer? A: No. The chemical does not appear on any official list of known or suspected carcinogens. Q: Is sodium laureth sulfate properly abbreviated as SLS? A: No. The correct abbreviation is SLES. The chain letter confuses this compound with another: sodium lauryl sulfate, which is abbreviated SLS. The two substances are related, but not the same. Q: Is sodium laureth sulfate used to scrub garage floors? A: No. Further Reading American Cancer Society: Sodium Lauryl Sulfate Ask Dr. Weil: Is Shampoo Hazardous to Health? Daily Tennessean: Is Shampoo Ingredient Safe for Children? Q: What about the other one - sodium lauryl sulfate - is it used to scrub garage floors? A: No doubt! SLS is a powerful surfactant (wetting agent) and detergent. It has industrial uses, but is also commonly found in lesser concentrations in shampoos, toothpastes, shaving creams, etc. Q: Ah. Well, then, is SLS a known carcinogen? A: No. But it's not as harmless as SLES. Sodium lauryl sulfate is a skin and eye irritant and can cause dermatitis with prolonged contact. Results of some tests on animal tissues indicate that it can cause abnormal cell mutations, though I've seen conflicting evidence. Q: Would a manufacturer freely admit to consumers, as claimed in the message, that it knowingly uses a carcinogen in its products because we need that substance to produce foam? A: Are you kidding? Of course not! Q: Is it true that my chances of getting cancer are 1 out of 3 in the '90s? A: The short answer is
Re: CSMore than one way to distill water?
Hello Sharon, The old adage the figures don't lie but the liars figure might apply here. Steam distillation is the way to go when it comes to CS water. It's cheap and there's not much that can be wrong with it usually, unless it has some entrained minerals which sometimes happens. That usually isn't a problem but it is easily resolved if the water doesn't work properly. Just buy another bottle from a different batch or code date. I've never heard of compression distillation. Perhaps it's a new gimmick this old dog hasn't heard of but why take chances? We suggest our customers read the label and select steam distilled water only. Other waters may work but why take chances. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Sharon L. House sho...@up.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 5:15 PM Subject: CSMore than one way to distill water? Got a question. I've heard it said on this list to be sure to use only steam distilled water. I've always been under the impression that steam distillation was the only way to distill water, until I did some label reading in the store. Seems there's some that says Distilled Water on the front label but when you read the label on the back it says distilled with compression distillation. What the heck is compression distillation?? Does that make an inferior distillation? Are there any other methods of distilling water that one should look out for? Why is steam distilled preferred? Thanks, Sharon Someone said to me, Cheer up, things could be worse. So I cheered up and shur nuf, things got worse. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSConstant current generators
compounds - gravity gets them in time. The cost is the same! You may be lucky enough to find a local water supplier that both distills and deionizes afterwards. Some of the better home stills do include a deionizer after filter. Now, to correct myself, I had suggested before using a Brita deionizer filter cartridge to clean up marginal water but now find they have included a mess of fine activated charcoal (stays suspended for days) and takes a few gallons to flush out (as they suggest). The recent cartridge I bought turned 0.3PPM water into 67PPM, due to the suspended carbon particles. It took a gallon before it dropped below 5 PPM. With a suggested life of 35-40 gallons, it would treat many 100's of gallons of poorly distilled water. The carbon may not be any problem, except for generators like ours that monitor PPM and turn off automatically - I.E. a long flushing cycle before any benefit is gained. Fred Peschel Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com
Re: CSResearch overview...
I responded in the affirmative. Said I'd contribute if enough others could be persuaded. Guess no one saw my post. I think I was the only one who said yes. Trem - Original Message - From: Tai-Pan l...@fbtc.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:19 AM Subject: Re: CSResearch overview... James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Hi Folk, A while back I proposed that we get a group together to contribute a small amount of money? each and pay for some high end lab testing of a variety of types of silver which we are making. No one responded. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com Hi James, A few years ago there was a list of pledges, was up to 650 FRNs but nothing ever came of it. Ask Mike what happened as I don`t know. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSsea salts or not
Hello, Don't use salt. It forms silver compounds during CS production. You want colloidal silver in the water only, not products formed with silver and other chlorides. Also, always use distilled water. It has no salts. If you follow these rules, you should end up with good CS. It may not be of the particle size you want but at least it will be CS and nothing else. Good luck. Trem - Original Message - From: ldybou...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 10:54 PM Subject: CSsea salts or not me again list needing help :P Ok now that we are about to start ingesting CS I have a major questionthe book that came w/my gen. states to add sea salt (I did this for the batch we used topically) but after looking at some different sites some say no don't it could be real dangerous and others say to use it...help I want to do what's best for my family I don't want to kill them :) anyone have wisdom here??? I'm worried scared to use it now and major confused. Chris -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSGovernment surveillance of CS sites.
Fellow Listers, After reading about Hulda Clark and the recent crackdown on over the counter sales of CS, I started thinking that maybe I and many others in the CS business are under surveillance. I remembered a strange thing about my web site. Shortly after establishing a domain name and uploading my site to the web, I thought it might be advantageous to determine how many hits I was getting on the site, so I signed up for a hidden hit counter. It was designed to show how many hits the site had received, plus where they came from and some additional information. That is, the report would show what server was looking at us. It didn't reflect which particular user was looking at our information but it was good enough for me. It wasn't long before I started to notice that we were getting hit each day, or at least very often by the US government. I was unable to tell which branch. At the beginning I didn't think much of it but now I see they were probably looking to see if I was one of the ones to be targeted by them. Perhaps, but so far they haven't contacted me. I wonder how many others of us in the CS business are being watched. I now think all of us are. Pretty spooky isn't it. Eventually it tapered off. I'm reminded of the old saying, Hello, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you. Sure... Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com
CSCleaning vessels of residual CS stains.
I believe it was Lew who said he used hydrogen peroxide to clean his vessels. I had a glass jar which was very golden colored from much use and was unable to clean it with the weapons I normally use. That is, elbow grease, soda, detergents, scrubbers, etc. I tried his trick and it really worked so well I am interested in what the reaction was that did the job. I noticed that it foamed quite strongly when I put it in the jar. Within a few minutes the jar was sparkling clean. It took a little longer for the dark stains at the bottom of the vessel to disappear. Can somebody please tell me why the reaction occurs? I thought silver was relatively inert and non reactive except with certain acids. Or am I the only one who tried this trick? It sure is a good one! Thanks Lew, if it was you. Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com
Re: CSResearch overview...
Hi James, Count me inat least if we can get enough others to go for it. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:46 AM Subject: RE: CSResearch overview... I was thinking we could make several categories of the major methods which we are using, by lot, select several samples---say different run times or different start water configurations, of each major type of process used, and choose randomly from the samples the one's to be tested. My guess is it would cost about 1500 debt certificate equivalents to get a first look of about three samples of three types. Maybe less. That's 30 of us shelling out 50 FRNs. The real hassle is cordination, bookeeping, shipping packaging, collating the data and distributing it. I cannot do all of this myself at present. The labs one for particle size and one for kill titer---another consensus choice to be made---would not like receiving the samples one at a time, so they would have to be sent to a single destination for packing and forwarding to the labs. A standard [oops..] bottle and labeling method would have to be designed. It is a bit of a project, but It would give us real data. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [SMTP:mdev...@mail.id.net] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 1:01 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSResearch overview... James O., H. wrote: A while back I proposed that we get a group together to contribute a small amount of money? each and pay for some high end lab testing of a variety of types of silver which we are making. No one responded. I believe we've proven before that folks are willing to do this. I think it will happen and be more than useful when the time comes that *we have something to test!* Prudence has always headed these efforts off before the money got sent and spent. The reason is that we never really standardized any of the processes so that the testing would apply to something useful to everyone. Each vendor or user could do it for themselves, if we all had the money to spend, and that *would* tell us something in a broad, unsystematic way. But the best focus would be to thoroughly test only the two or three best looking systems, as measured by ease of use, repeatability of the simpler measures, low cost, etcetera. Once we've got some momentum behind a very few recipes, then there will be a *lot* of incentive to test the h**l out of 'em! grin That's my thought, anyway. Be well, James! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS use on horses.
Hi, I would like to hear from anyone who has used CS in veterinary applications. More specifically, in treating horses. I am about to = begin a trial on a horse with post surgical infection. Your help is both needed and appreciated. If you want to contact me offline, my address is c...@silvergen.com Thanks, Cass
Re: CSParasites
Hello Marsha, I've seen your posts regarding your birds health and have a question for you. First off, I have a double yellowhead amazon (no folks, it doesn't have two heads) and am always interested in how to take the best care of him. Do you have any idea how your bird came to get giardia? In my neck of the woods, it is carried by mammals such as mountain beavers and is spread through the water from their feces to other critters. Did you water your bird with stream water by chance? Or do you think it was passed from another bird? Or do you know? I would like to think there's no way my bird could get it but now you have me worrying a bit. Could you please clarify what you think or know it was that gave giardia to your bird (snake with feathers). That's what my wife calls ours because of his nasty attitude toward her. Trem - Original Message - From: Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 8:52 AM Subject: Re: CSParasites It would seem from the evidence available that CS is effective primarily against prokaryotes (bacteria). I have not seen any reports of success using CS against such diseases as malaria, giardiasis, amoebic dysentery, etc. (but this doesn't mean they don't exist) CS stopped the Giardia my baby cockatiel had. The vet ID`d it under a microscope, so that is what she had for sure. After 2 days of CS dropped into her beak, she was well again, with normal birdy poops. I`m so glad it worked, it saved me a lot of money and my bird is such a sweetie! Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLaser/cds preliminary testing...
Hello Victoria, I suspect your readings will be about the same with or without CS in the water with your present setup. I think you would have better luck if you were to put the CDS at right angles to the laser beam and cenered on the CS container. That way you will get the scattered light that reflects off the silver, rather than the full beam which is only impeded a little bit by the silver in the water. I have done some experiments along this line using high intensity LED's and found the experiment to be more sensitive that way. You also might try keeping the container with CS and the setup in a light tight box. It also helps to keep the CDS in a tube so the scattered light only comes at it from right angles and also through a straight tube. That also increases sensitivity. Another thing that increases sensitivity is to let the laser beam not strike anything on the far side of the container so it won't reflect any light back into the container. Or paint it black so as to absorb the light. That way, all you get on the CDS is scattered light. Hope this gives you more to think about and perhaps try. Trem - Original Message - From: Victoria Welch vi...@oz.net To: Silver-List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: CSLaser/cds preliminary testing... Hello all, Well, I have done the priliminary pass on this thing and don't know what to think. I've attached a JPG of the jig from my digital camera for your perusal, I hope this is acceptable (sez she donning helment, flack jacket and nomex drawers :). Below is what I shared with Ole Bob on the subject: The preliminary testing of the laser/cds jig do not encourage me. The following is what data I did compile: Cullysprings DW (all batches so far use this), right out of the bottle: 0.27 ohms Batch 9301, 10 second switch, IcO: 0.305 mA, Icf: 2.81 mA, Initial resistance: 129 ohms, Final resistance: 43 ohms. Four hour run. This also gave a 0.27 ohm reading off the cds. Batch 9302, 1 second switch, Ico: 0.439 mA, Icf: 1.051 mA, Initial resistance: 261 ohms, Final resistance: 56 ohms. 5 hour run. This gave a reading of 0.35 ohms. Batch 9401, 5 second switch, Ico: 0.419 mA, Icf: 3.01 mA, Initial resistance: 194 ohms, Final resistance: 8 ohms. 3 hour 15 minute run. THis gave a reading of 0.31 ohms. Initial and Final resistances were measured at one set of probes giving about a minute for the readings to stabilize, used 2K scale. Positioning of the laser on the cds makes a difference. Not totally sure about this yet, but the center of the cds somewhat wider than the laser beam seems to remain stable. I had to beef up the jig to minimize the movement caused when turning the laser on. Batch ???, this is a DC batch that I still have around - noticibly yellowish. This was before I started keeping tags on the samples so no other data is available. This one gave a reading of 0.33 ohms. Thoughts? Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNewbie comments - second batch - Ding! Good news methinketh :)
Hi Victoria, I suspect the particles you saw are what are known as *sparklers* to people on the list. That is, they are the larger particles and the line you saw was the beam reflecting off the smaller particles. What we are striving for is uniform small particles. I think you ended up with too much current flow. My experience indicates less current flow results in smaller particles. Perhaps you can reduce the voltage on a batch as the current starts to rise and maintain a lower milliampere reading. Than shine your laser through the dispersion and see if the larger particles are present. I suspect they won't be there if you run low enough current levels. You should be seeing a uniform beam of laser light. Trem - Original Message - From: Victoria Welch vi...@oz.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 8:17 PM Subject: CSNewbie comments - second batch - Ding! Good news methinketh :) Hi All, Since I have been blatering on about this and busily being confused and wondering if I got anything useful, I thought I would share this. The second batch ran over since I wasn't paying proper attention to it and ended up with a current flow of 2.81 ma. After it sat for a while (and was stirred with some wooden chopsticks :) the laser showed an obvious good line through the solution (not *strong* but certainly easily visible) and visible particles (*very* small. but obviously particles compared to the red line tracing through it (more of a cloud, meaning, I guess smaller particles)). I did some commercial CS a long time ago and had pretty much forgotten about it until I took a slug of the new batch and *ding* I immediately recognized the taste. By Jove, I think she has something here :-). Appreciate everyones help in getting going and especially the encouragement! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSDistilled Water.
Carmen, Just go to your local supermarket. It's usually under a dollar a gallon. Just make sure it says Steam Distilled on the label. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: CARMEN SPENCE starwo...@primus.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 9:54 PM Subject: CSDistilled Water. Hi there, I really dont know how to get distilled water, I dont think I have been on this board long enough, can anyone tell me please. Carmen - Original Message - From: Terry Wayne tw...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 12:54 PM Subject: Re: CSAnionic lemon Vilik, I should have made it clearer - the fresh lemon juice stays anionic when mixed in distilled water, so you can make up a days batch and drink it all day. Terry Wayne --- Vilik Rapheles vi...@peak.org wrote: Terry and Ivan, Thank you so much for your replies. The mind-blowing info here is that fresh lemons are anionic for only one half hour after being exposed to air. On one hand, I agree with Ivan--there is no proof of this information (except the fact that urine pH goes up.) I wonder how Reams arrived at that conclusion. On the other hand, it is experientally and experimentally a useful piece of information. I have been using bottled organic lemon juice. And I was surprised that my urine pH did NOT go up on it (it did however after I started coral calcium.) I remember doing a fast at one time under the direction of a naturopath...fresh lemons and a sweetner. Well I made up a big batch in the morning for the day. So I assume most of what I drank was cationic. Of course none of this speaks to citric acid. Except that I would extrapolate that Reams would say it was cationic. Which brings me back again to the question of its use in the Moerman diet. It seems to me that one thing the lemon every half hour is doing, which Reams may not have known, is fueling the Krebs cycle. Well, I guess I'm going to be getting some fresh lemons. ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Current regulator
Hello Wong, I guess you could do that but it would introduce contaminants into the silver unless you used a scrupulously clean hammer and anvil. I also think you're making an inordinate amount of work for yourself. Why not buy some silver in the shape you want it? It's not that big a problem. We sell the electrodes for $12 pair. I'm sure there are other shapes that will also provide more surface area, such as .999 bullion bars. They can be cut in half and will last a LONG time. Trem - Original Message - From: wong...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 7:39 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Current regulator In a message dated 8/5/99 8:30:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: So I began to make it with the same electrode material we now provide with our generators. It is 1/4 wide X 5 long. Wetted depth is about 4 inches. The surface area of our electrodes is about 2.5 times that of 14 Ga. wire. That made a major difference in the end product. It worked quite well but there still seeme Trem How about hammering 14 ga wire to 1/4 inch and all other factors the same. wong -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Current regulator IC chip
Hello Art, We don't use an IC chip. We use discrete components such as transistors, diodes, resistors, etc. It must have been someone else. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Art Labrada a...@pipeline.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 9:04 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Current regulator Trem: Could you please tell me the specification for the IC (or chip) that is used for current regulation? Some time ago -- I don't know if it was you -- someone posted the information but unfortunately I have missplaced it. Thanks and best regards, Art - Original Message - From: Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 11:26 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Current regulator Hello James, I'll do my best to answer your questions. Over the period of time I was designing our generator, I tried different combinations of voltage, current, silver electrode size, water temperature, water quantity and electrode spacing. I noticed right off that if I used a constant voltage source, the colloid was never consistent. By that I mean it was sometimes yellow, muddy, dark, brown or gray. I noticed that all the previous variables affected the end product. About that time I decided the variables would have to be eliminated to make a consistent colloid. It turned out there were too many variables to juggle. I then thought that perhaps a constant current source would help by not allowing current to rise so rapidly as when using the constant voltage source. I still had occasional problems however. I was still using silver wire. It was about that time I tried using silver with more surface area and that was when the colloid became more consistent. It was obvious to me that lower current density was one of the great secrets to consistency and uniformity. So I began to make it with the same electrode material we now provide with our generators. It is 1/4 wide X 5 long. Wetted depth is about 4 inches. The surface area of our electrodes is about 2.5 times that of 14 Ga. wire. That made a major difference in the end product. It worked quite well but there still seemed to be times when it wasn't as consistent as I thought it should be so I began to experiment with different current settings. After many experiments, I settled on 1 milliampere as being the best compromise. The current density was low enough that I had little fallout and the colloid was the same every time. It would turn yellow overnight every time and I had no longer had any problems with spacing or temperature or timing. So, as you can see I am not an expert but I do have some expertise. I can categorically state from my own experiences that one cannot control a constant voltage source and small gauge silver wires and the spacing consistently enough to make a product as uniform as when using a constant LOW current source and large surface are electrodes. As I state in our web page, running a constant voltage generator is like driving an automobile with the gas pedal stuck to the floorboard. It will run away with you. You end up with large particles. I quote you from the message below. When making colloidal silver, the only time you have to worry about large particle size is when you are letting the process run to long. You know I am right as does anyone who uses constant voltage generators. The current begins to rapidly rise as the silver is deposited in the water. Your voltage, timing, spacing, wetted surface and water temperature all affect the end product. And not to its benefit. I am NOT saying a few batteries and a couple of pieces of silver wire doesn't work. I am saying it doesn't work as well as what I provide. And that's the end of that story. Constant current IS better. SO is larger surface area electrodes. Back to you. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: James Vernon, Allison apothec...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:50 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Current regulator I'm just trying to clarify so that I may understand. You manufacture a colloidal silver generator with a proprietary circuit and you're not an expert? You say that your current regulator limits the current to 1 milliampere. How did you come to the conclusion that 1 milliampere is the best current to use? If I run 3 9volt batteries to silver to pure distilled water for 30 minutes, with the silver spaced 3/4 inches apart and a wetted depth of 3 and a half inches, are you implying that my CS won't be of uniform small particle size with little or no fallout? In my humble opinion, a regulator will only do you good if you have a habit of forgetting the time and letting your process run for to long. When making colloidal
Re: cs from tap water limiting current flow
Hello Susan, We recommend running our generator for 4 hours in 16 ounces of distilled water. After 4 hours the PPM will be approximately 16 PPM. This is a linear function because the current is held constant. Therefore the quantity of silver released is constant. 1 hr.=4 PPM, 2 hr.=8 PPM, 3 hr.=12 PPM. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: sjlan...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:04 PM Subject: Re: cs from tap water limiting current flow Trem, Length of time at 1mA? What ppm do you expect? Thanks, Susan L In a message dated 99-07-31 14:38:53 EDT, you write: Yes, current limiting does work and quite well. We have a current regulator in our generators which hold the current at 1 milliampere throughout the whole operating time. The end product is always the same: uniform small particle size and little or no fallout. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGenerators, Current regulation, etc
Hello Ivan, Well said. I guess the only thing I might disagree with is the electrode surface area not being a function of particle size. My feeling is that if the current density is high, the particle size increases because the ions are being more forcibly ripped off the electrode. It rings true with me and is borne out in my experiments that more surface area makes better CS if the current is held low. That's why I originally chose to use flat electrodes in order to get more surface area. The current density theory mentioned by Bob Lee about starved electrodes makes it ring more true. I hope we're getting to the end of this discussion. It's like the blind guys trying to describe the elephant without being able to see the whole thing. Trem - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 4:11 AM Subject: CSGenerators, Current regulation, etc I notice the discussion of current regulation, electrode geometry etc. Here is my 2 cents worth. Every one is correct in this discussion as far as they go. All generators work in exactly the same manner, that is sintering silver atoms from the anode (positive electrode), and all produce perfectly good CS within certain boundaries and limits. The difference in generators is really in the ease of use and the concentration they are able to produce. The simple 3 or 4 battery method has the advantage of short generation time, but requires constant attention (stirring, electrode wiping etc.). these generators produce fine CS in the 5 to 10 ppm range. The conductivity of the water past this range allows too high a current flow, and that coupled with a quite high voltage causes a high particle mobility. The consequence of this is that many particles contact the cathode (negative electrode) and are reduced to the residue or treeing we see. This residue enevitably finds its way into the solution which results in the cloudy, dark and unstable colloid we see many questions about. Hot water limits these factors to some extent, mainly by the convection currents in the water mixing the silver plume through out the solution. Constant current (current limiting) generators over come many of the problems described above by limiting the current to a value, where the number of particles coming off the anode is not so great that they cannot be spread throughout the solution before they meet the cathode. As the resistance in the solution falls (with the introduction of silver particles) in this type of generator, the voltage drops and therefore so does the particle mobility. This is a most beneficial set of circumstances. The more particles there are in the water, the less energy they have in movement, and the less likely they are to be reduced at the cathode and the less energy do they have to overcome electrostatic repulsion when they encounter each other. As long as the voltage stays above about 1V the generator will continue to disassociate silver ions from the anode. These generators can produce clear or light yellow colloid to high concentration (10 ppm +), but are more technical and expensive to implement, and require more time to generate a given concentration. The pulsed generators and polarity switching generators can be thought of as current limiting hybrids and seem to exhibit many of their positives and negatives. Low voltage generators (9 to 15volt) are very simple to implement and also display the positives of current limit devices, due to the slow manner in which they dissasociate the anode into the water, but above a certain point they behave like the higher voltage units. Good up to about 15ppm. Long generating time. Electrode configuration and crossection affect CS generation only in as much as they have an influence on the maximum current draw, and the distance the silver ions have to travel before they meet the cathode. An arrangement that is constant in geometry will have reproducable results. Particle size is a much discussed and overly emphasised part of CS generation. Particle size, as determined by colour, is effective from clear through yellow-green, yellow and gold. The range is apparently 1nm to 15nm (.001micron to .015micron) and, as you can see, the difference is slight. All exhibit very good stability and antimicrobial proterties. Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Current regulator
Hello James, I'll do my best to answer your questions. Over the period of time I was designing our generator, I tried different combinations of voltage, current, silver electrode size, water temperature, water quantity and electrode spacing. I noticed right off that if I used a constant voltage source, the colloid was never consistent. By that I mean it was sometimes yellow, muddy, dark, brown or gray. I noticed that all the previous variables affected the end product. About that time I decided the variables would have to be eliminated to make a consistent colloid. It turned out there were too many variables to juggle. I then thought that perhaps a constant current source would help by not allowing current to rise so rapidly as when using the constant voltage source. I still had occasional problems however. I was still using silver wire. It was about that time I tried using silver with more surface area and that was when the colloid became more consistent. It was obvious to me that lower current density was one of the great secrets to consistency and uniformity. So I began to make it with the same electrode material we now provide with our generators. It is 1/4 wide X 5 long. Wetted depth is about 4 inches. The surface area of our electrodes is about 2.5 times that of 14 Ga. wire. That made a major difference in the end product. It worked quite well but there still seemed to be times when it wasn't as consistent as I thought it should be so I began to experiment with different current settings. After many experiments, I settled on 1 milliampere as being the best compromise. The current density was low enough that I had little fallout and the colloid was the same every time. It would turn yellow overnight every time and I had no longer had any problems with spacing or temperature or timing. So, as you can see I am not an expert but I do have some expertise. I can categorically state from my own experiences that one cannot control a constant voltage source and small gauge silver wires and the spacing consistently enough to make a product as uniform as when using a constant LOW current source and large surface are electrodes. As I state in our web page, running a constant voltage generator is like driving an automobile with the gas pedal stuck to the floorboard. It will run away with you. You end up with large particles. I quote you from the message below. When making colloidal silver, the only time you have to worry about large particle size is when you are letting the process run to long. You know I am right as does anyone who uses constant voltage generators. The current begins to rapidly rise as the silver is deposited in the water. Your voltage, timing, spacing, wetted surface and water temperature all affect the end product. And not to its benefit. I am NOT saying a few batteries and a couple of pieces of silver wire doesn't work. I am saying it doesn't work as well as what I provide. And that's the end of that story. Constant current IS better. SO is larger surface area electrodes. Back to you. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: James Vernon, Allison apothec...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:50 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Current regulator I'm just trying to clarify so that I may understand. You manufacture a colloidal silver generator with a proprietary circuit and you're not an expert? You say that your current regulator limits the current to 1 milliampere. How did you come to the conclusion that 1 milliampere is the best current to use? If I run 3 9volt batteries to silver to pure distilled water for 30 minutes, with the silver spaced 3/4 inches apart and a wetted depth of 3 and a half inches, are you implying that my CS won't be of uniform small particle size with little or no fallout? In my humble opinion, a regulator will only do you good if you have a habit of forgetting the time and letting your process run for to long. When making colloidal silver, the only time you have to worry about large particle size is when you are letting the process run to long. If you know how to tell time, and have a watch or a clock, then you do not need a current regulator. As I stated, the above paragraph is only an opinion, but if it is wrong, then please direct me to an expert who can educate me. Yours in health, James Vernon, Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to:
Re: CSRe: Current regulator
You certainly can read what wasn't written Rex. I said we manufacture a generator using discrete components. True. We sell it. True. Our circuit is proprietary. True. Nowhere did I say or imply you couldn't do it another way. I didn't say we were experts. Are you? Our circuit is very stable. With over 20% input voltage swings our regulator holds current within .1%. You apparently think that everyone who can pick a soldering iron up is some kind of electronic technician. They aren't. If you want to put a circuit on the list for the list members to assemble, I'm sure that would be appreciated by some. On the other hand, some might want to have someone with electronic expertise build one for them. That's what we do. I'm not here to argue with you over what we do. I'm here to offer what knowledge I have to the list members. Some things I do not divulge. Our circuit is one of them. All the rest is open to the list. Can we stop this now? Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Rex Doane rdo...@metro.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 7:25 AM Subject: CSRe: Current regulator What you implied was that you are doing something that nobody else can. That the non-technical person better buy from the expert. Your systems seem fine and reasonably priced. But why pretend that you have a big secret. What I said was, I wasn't interested in showing OUR circuit, which IS proprietary. Of course there are many current regulator designs out there. Some are quite complicated; some aren't. Ours just works quite well at holding low current levels with very little temperature drift and undue complexity. We use discrete components; i.e. transistors, diodes, resistors. Anyone is free to use whatever they think they can assemble. We just design and assemble colloid generators for others and charge them for our expertise and labor and make a profit at the same time. No problem with that as far as I can see. This implies that discrete components have some superiority over I.C.s. Sorry but in this application it ain't so. I would agree for an audio application where there many complex factors involved, but we are talking simple direct current here. Good luck on your home electronic project. This is a rather patronizing statement. The current regulator component is built by a leading semiconductor company and has been used in thousands of professional products for decades. We are talking about a power source, a current regulator, and wires. Not exactly complex and it does NOT require expertise, just enough skill to know which end of a soldering iron gets hot. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSCurrent regulator
Hello James, Where did you get that idea? Trem Williams t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: James Vernon, Allison To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 10:33 AM Subject: Re: CSCurrent regulator Trem, I'm just curious about something, are you implying that if one doesn't use a current regulator that the silver will not sinter off the electrodes at 1.26 angstroms? James Vernon, Allison
CSCurrent regulator
What I said was, I wasn't interested in showing OUR circuit, which IS proprietary. Of course there are many current regulator designs out there. Some are quite complicated; some aren't. Ours just works quite well at holding low current levels with very little temperature drift and undue complexity. We use discrete components; i.e. transistors, diodes, resistors. Anyone is free to use whatever they think they can assemble. We just design and assemble colloid generators for others and charge them for our expertise and labor and make a profit at the same time. No problem with that as far as I can see. Good luck on your home electronic project. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Rex Doane rdo...@metro.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 7:10 AM Subject: Re: cs from tap water limiting current flow What is proprietary about a current regulator? This has been a standard electronic circuit for over 30 years (older than that in the tube version). National Semiconductor came out with an integrated circuit version in the 70's, I believe, the LM334 -- the data sheet is available at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM134.pdf (The LM334 is the cheap commercial version of the LM134). It costs about a dollar. It has 3 terminals V+ V- and R. It's been years since I actually used one, but as I read the data sheet, the V+ goes to the Plus terminal of the battery, the V- terminal will go to the silver electrode and the other electrode goes to the Minus terminal of the battery. The current setting resistor is connected between V+ and R -- . It looks like a 68 ohm resistor will set the current to a steady 1 milliamp with a battery range of about 3 volts to 40 volts. Or am I missing something? Rex Yes, current limiting does work and quite well. We have a current regulator in our generators which hold the current at 1 milliampere throughout the whole operating time. The end product is always the same: uniform small particle size and little or no fallout. I would post the circuit for the members but after all we are in business to sell generators, not to give our proprietary circuit away. One way to control current is to place a variable resistor and milliammeter in series with one electrode and adjust the resistor to maintain the current as desired. This will take a lot of effort on your part as the current is always changing as silver is being deposited in the water. It is much better to use an automatic regulator. Guesswork and your constant time spent watching a meter are eliminated. DO NOT use tap water. It can contain minerals which will react with the silver to form chlorides. All you want at the end of the operation is colloidal silver particles in the water. If you want minerals, take them separately. Some silver salts can be detrimental to you. Surely you can afford a dollar for a gallon of distilled water in the supermarket. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: herb321...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 10:51 AM Subject: Re: cs from tap water limiting current flow Mike wrote Perhaps if we limited the current to a few milliamps like we do on some of our current rigs the particle size would improve? Might be an answer to the tapwater question. Anybody wanna try an experiment? Be well, Mike There has been a some postings about limiting current flow to get smaller particles in the past. Experience has shown me that even as little as 27VDC does produce larger particles, when using non distilled water of any kind. But voltage doesn't cause it, current flow it the problem. Would limiting the voltage, say to 12VDC, reduce current flow? Would it be best to start with 27VDC and then reduce the voltage as current flow begins to increase, like you can do with a light bulb to increase and decrease the brightness? If I remember correctly there was some postings on monitoring the process until it reached a set milliamps. What if we could control the current flow at an optimal level? Would we be able to produce small particle high PPM batches even with LVDC units? (Was I the one that said we were making things to complicated?) :-) Still I think Mike has an exciting idea. To bad I don't know much about electricity. I too would like to see a discussion on this limiting current in relation to how it can be done on the simple low voltage units. Once a person knows how to limit current it should work equally well with distilled or non distilled water. Then, of course, will come the questions of how much current limiting should be done, as we seek the optimal levels, and the time increase for making a batch. But that is the cost of progress and, in my view, one of the
Re: cs from tap water limiting current flow
Yes, current limiting does work and quite well. We have a current regulator in our generators which hold the current at 1 milliampere throughout the whole operating time. The end product is always the same: uniform small particle size and little or no fallout. I would post the circuit for the members but after all we are in business to sell generators, not to give our proprietary circuit away. One way to control current is to place a variable resistor and milliammeter in series with one electrode and adjust the resistor to maintain the current as desired. This will take a lot of effort on your part as the current is always changing as silver is being deposited in the water. It is much better to use an automatic regulator. Guesswork and your constant time spent watching a meter are eliminated. DO NOT use tap water. It can contain minerals which will react with the silver to form chlorides. All you want at the end of the operation is colloidal silver particles in the water. If you want minerals, take them separately. Some silver salts can be detrimental to you. Surely you can afford a dollar for a gallon of distilled water in the supermarket. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: herb321...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 10:51 AM Subject: Re: cs from tap water limiting current flow Mike wrote Perhaps if we limited the current to a few milliamps like we do on some of our current rigs the particle size would improve? Might be an answer to the tapwater question. Anybody wanna try an experiment? Be well, Mike There has been a some postings about limiting current flow to get smaller particles in the past. Experience has shown me that even as little as 27VDC does produce larger particles, when using non distilled water of any kind. But voltage doesn't cause it, current flow it the problem. Would limiting the voltage, say to 12VDC, reduce current flow? Would it be best to start with 27VDC and then reduce the voltage as current flow begins to increase, like you can do with a light bulb to increase and decrease the brightness? If I remember correctly there was some postings on monitoring the process until it reached a set milliamps. What if we could control the current flow at an optimal level? Would we be able to produce small particle high PPM batches even with LVDC units? (Was I the one that said we were making things to complicated?) :-) Still I think Mike has an exciting idea. To bad I don't know much about electricity. I too would like to see a discussion on this limiting current in relation to how it can be done on the simple low voltage units. Once a person knows how to limit current it should work equally well with distilled or non distilled water. Then, of course, will come the questions of how much current limiting should be done, as we seek the optimal levels, and the time increase for making a batch. But that is the cost of progress and, in my view, one of the reasons for this list. Sadly, as Mike has said, we have lost many of our high tech members, but I think there are enough minds still on to tackle this. Larry -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS instructions and dangers
Scare tactics for sure Shelley. Either he is pretty ignorant or he is trying to sell you the CS by scaring you. CS doesn't kill you. It is easy to make CS. Sometimes it is hard to make it consistently but you can always throw it out and start over if it doesn't look right to you. After all distillied water is cheap. Trem Williams customer_serv...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: MS SHELLEY V CORBIN cmbh...@prodigy.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 8:59 AM Subject: CS instructions and dangers I am planning to make silver for the first time as soon as i get my silver in. i was talking to a friend who said that she orders her CS because the guy who sells it to her warns that making it wrong could be fatal. is there really a safe way to make it yourself? what are the dangers? is it a safe way to make it yourself? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSConstant current.......
More grist for the mill. We have been manufacturing a constant current generator for about 10 months now and have always used a constant current of 1 milliampere. We start out at 40 volts and the voltage drops to maintain that current. We do not have any problem with temperature control. Within normal temperature ranges, we cannot discern any change in current. The voltage will drop to as low as 3 or 4 volts during regular colloid production. We looked at all the sites on the web selling colloidal silver generators and found one other company touting constant current before we went online. However, that unit was current limited at 20 milliamps. I doubt the current ever reached that setting during colloid production. With constant VOLTAGE units I sometimes see currents of 7-8 milliamperes. Never 20 ma. We advertised ourselves as manufacturers of the Original Constant Current Colloid Generator and still stand by that statement. If anyone would care to let me know by separate E-mail who the other manufacturers are, I would appreciate it. Trem Williams customer_serv...@silvergen.com Oh wise ones, Fairly new to cs, have had gen for couple of months, makes good cs (had some tested), but am curious about making cs with constant current. Would someone make a post here and explain how you people are doing this? I'm all eyes!!! Earle I'm not so wise, but I can give you some info about constant current. Constant current is a bit of a misnomer actually. It is very hard to supply a constant current when the voltage is continually changing, better to think of limiting the current to some maximum. Also most current limiting devices are very temperature dependent and are often used in temp sensing applications. The easiest current limiting device is the common L317T voltage regulator. With the input leg of this connected to the positive out of your generator and the adjust leg connected to your electrode, you then tie the output leg to the adjust leg via a resistor or variable resister with the formula: current out = 1.25 divided by the resistor value. This limiter is not absolutely stable (not constant) for currents less than 10mA but is good enough. Bob Lee posted on this subject previously and is probably much easier to understand than me. Ivan. Seems that more people are listening now and using constant current methods to make smaller particles. Now if more folks would get on the current density bandwagon the CS would get even better. Makes me smile when I read all the posts where folks act like they did something new, when I was posting it for the last year. Got some new things coming up anyway. Did a survey of CS web sites two years ago (saved on disk) and not a single one mentioned constant current or current density. Re- surveyed again last month and most all of them are now talking constant current and some are into current density. :-) One generator maker is offering machines that almost operate on the starved electrode method as often posted by me. Get smiles when new techies show up and start pontificating about their knowledge and understanding of CS. Recall a post I had made and the very next day its content showed up on six sites. :-) I see the CS becoming better and more effective as we learn to taylor it for the application. Thats very good. Bob Lee snip I must say that a post by Bob (starved electrode etc.) in the middle of last year, helped me to understand just what was going on with some tests I had done when I could not find answers anywhere else. His opinions are most valuable. I too have championed the current limit protocol at a lower current probably than most, but have noticed recently a couple of generators that limit to 0.5mA who seemed to have arrived at this point independently. Some people out there are thinking. Ivan.
Re: CScon trails and cs
I'll bite- what is edb? And also, what part of the day do you see the contrails? And what part of the country do you see them in? Trem -Original Message- From: D. Garrett dj...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 7:51 PM Subject: CScon trails and cs anyone know if cs is any use against the edb contrails our wonderful gov't is dumping on us almost daily? also, does cs leach heavy metals out of the system? Dennis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGrapefruit Seed Extract
Hello Wong, I have subscribed to several medical newsletters and dropped them over the years but have been getting Dr. Williams for about 5-6 years so far. The thing I like about him is he is looking for natural ways to stay healthy. And he lets you know where the best sources are. He seems genuinely interested in ones health. I have learned many things that later came to be common knowledge in the mainstream. Sounds like I'm a shill for him. He just strikes me as honest and caring and wanting to be helpful without using drugs that can harm. I like his approach. Trem Original Message- From: wong...@aol.com wong...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 12:41 PM Subject: Re: CSGrapefruit Seed Extract Trem Could you tell me where to purchase GFSE? Dr. Williams won't divulge his reputable source unless you suscribe to his newsletter. Would you reccommend subscription? Wong -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGrapefruit Seed Extract
Thanks Rick. I subscribe to Dr. Williams newsletter and have some of the grapefruit seed extract. Hadn't thought about suggesting its use because I was locked into CS. It may be much better because it has more exposure and trials. I'll pursue that avenue for our friend. She's going in for more surgery and they have to try to rid her of the staph before cutting. Trem Williams -Original Message- From: Frederick Porter rickc...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 4:47 PM Subject: CSGrapefruit Seed Extract Fellow Listers, I have recently become aware of an amazing product that has the potential to help many members of this list. It may well be the most potent antimicrobial yet discovered and its totally non toxic and dirt cheap! It's deadly against bacteria,fungi,parasites and is anti-viral! Sound too good to be true.check it out for yourself and make up your own mind. Go to www.nutriteam.com/index2.html and www.nutriteam.com/gse.htm Treem, at the first site click on the article by David Williams where he describes M.D.'s using it on vanco- mycin resistant infections. At the second site click on 'Lab Studies compare GSE, Chlorine, Colloidal Silver' and 'GSE Replaces Chlorine as Wastewater Treatment'. At both sites are many more fascinating articles dealing with many of the afflictions list members are suffering from, spend some time and prepare to be amazed. Rick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSStaphylococcus infection
Harvey, Thanks. That's the kind of info I was looking for. Someone with a real definite outcome from using CS. I assume the doctors were gnashing their teeth when he stopped the antibiotics. Did they kick him out of the hospital because of his refusal to use them? Did his friends administer the CS or the doctors? Did he totally recover? No staph anymore? Has he stopped using CS? If not how much does he still take? How long ago was this? Whew, am I full of questions. Thanks for taking the time to answer me. I appreciate any info and help. Trem Williams -- -Original Message- From: Harvey Flatbush ha...@iomet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 11:40 AM Subject: Re: CSStaphylococcus infection At 09:00 AM 6/6/99 -0700, you wrote: Dear Brooks, Thanks for reminding me of what I already knew. I was just hoping someone had a first hand experience with CS and relief from staph. I thought there might be just one person at least who could say yes, I cured it but alas it didn't happen. I guess only Lyme, colds and flu are the sicknesses persons on the list are curing. I take CS but have only had the occasion to relieve my own cold symptoms in one day. Haven't had anything other than that to cure. Thanks again sir. I appreciate your response. Trem Dear Trem, In my opinion, Staph will be killed by CS usage. I don`t know what caused the innumerable UTIs I once had, (probably E. coli,) or the eye infections, or the skin problems, etc. I do know that CS stopped the nastiness of a spider bite, which may have been a brown recluse. It also stopped the Giardiasis my bird had. All I can suggest is Try It for staph and see! Thanks, Marsha A friend of mine recently had a triple bypass and staph developed in the fatty tissues where they were stitched togeter prior to closure. the infection started leaking at the surface in two places and he was re hospitalized. They thought they had it stopped and sent him home again only to have it start up again. Back to the hospital he went. This time for a week. His wife and a friend they live with work in the Alzheimers unit of a lock down nursing home. The friend is the administrator for the Alzheimers unit. The friend insisted they try colloidal silver, stopped the prescribed antibiotics, applied the colloidal silver into the weep holes with swabs and it has now started healing up. They had to keep the leaking hole open to get the swabs into the the holes (two of them). The silver was healing the surface so fast, they wanted to be sure the infection was killed on the inside before they could no longer get the swab in. The generator they are using has the electrodes 3/4 apart, 2 - 5/8 immersion (Ala Peter Lindemann's CS-300) and running a 40 minute batch in 8 ounces of steam distilled water at room temperature using four 9 volt batteries. Along with the swabbing, my friend was drinking 1 quart a day of the same recipe. Personally , I think they were overdoing it with the amount he was drinking of such a strong batch. It is anybodies guess what the ppm's might be. Sincerely, Harvey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CSStaphylococcus infection
Hello fellow listers, Does anyone out there have any direct information on the use of CS in treating a staph infection? I am interested in first hand experiences, anecdotal experiences of others, reports that are published; anything will be helpful. We have a friend in the hospital with a staph infection and need info for the doctors to be convinced to use it. They are using vancomycin and we want to have them supplement with CS. Thanks for any help. It's really appreciated. Trem Williams
Re: CSRe: Now what do I do?
Sharon, It is best to use steam distilled water. If you want to see what a laser shining through CS looks like, go to our homepage and you'll see. The colors are not exactly right on but that's the best I could get my picture to look with the imaging software I was working with. The CS is about 20 PPM. Notice how obvious the laser beam is. www.silvergen.com Trem -Original Message- From: Sharon L. House sho...@up.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 8:34 AM Subject: CSRe: Now what do I do? Mike, Thanks so much for the reply! Okay, here's the scoop on my HomeCure boughten silver. The front of the bottle has the brand name which is TriMedica and it says Enhanced Colloidal Silver Liquid - The Natural Alternative to Antibiotics. On the side it says (in part): Our 5-10 parts per million of silver is considered the safest, most effective potency. Certificate of Analysis proving purity and quality provided upon request. Also it says: The smaller the silver particle size (0.001 - 0.004 microns or less), the more effective the product. Our silver particles are the smallest of all brands tested. Also, larger silver particles produce yellow or amber colored product, while ours is clear, pure and, as users prove, the most effective Colloidal Silver you can buy! It also says to store away from electrical appliances and magnets. You know, just the other day I got to wondering if magnets could affect the particle charge or something. Almost asked but thought it might be a dumb question. But, right now, I'm not as concerned about this as I am about my homemade stuff. I know that in my post of 5/21, I said that the water looked kind of yellowish. But I seemed to forget at the time that we have very orange water from tannins that stain all my dishes, even the clear glass like the pyrex measuring cup I used to make the silver in. I noticed that when I poured the distilled water into the cup for the second batch that it already looked yellow :-) When I pour my homemade stuff into a white paper cup it does not look yellow. So I'm to assume that either my silver is weak or, from the above paragraph, that the particle size is small enough that it doesn't appear yellow. So, Mike, do you think that most homemade CS is weaker than store bought? I've been under the impression from what everyone has said on this list that the homemade is somehow superior to most of what you can buy. Do you think I'll always have to use double what I would use of the boughten variety? (when I speak of boughten, I'm assuming a decent product here, not a ripoff) Or do you think that I should leave the run time longer and try my experiment again? Incidentally, because some on the list think that steam distilled is preferable to water that doesn't mention the method of distillation on the label (it just says distilled), I purchased some steam distilled yesterday. However, it doesn't say micron filtered, it just says ozonated. The distilled water I used to make my silver says both micron filtered and ozonated. It gets so confusing, doesn't it. So maybe I should make a batch using the newer steam distilled water. I also might mention that during my silver-making process, that once it really got going good I could just barely see a very tiny stream of black particles running in a line from the feathering electrode into the water. Other than that, I noticed almost no bubbling like others speak of. Just the tiniest little bit. I could not see a yellowish cloud forming around the electrodes at all. Yesterday I bought a little pocket laser pointer. I haven't tried it yet on the boughten silver, I'll do that today, but I did try it on my homemade stuff. However, I have a question for all you laser pointer aficionados out there. I poured some of my own silver in a clear unstained glass canning jar. When I shone the pointer through it I saw nothing. The room wasn't totally dark but quite dim. There was only the red as it reflected on both sides of the glass but nothing in between. Then when I moved the pointer around a little a red line appeared that was about a quarter to a third inch wide and seeemed to be on the bottom of the glass even though I wasn't pointing it toward the bottom. Of course, I'm seeing this red line through the water and it seemed kind of grainy but it also seemed that way when I tried shining it through pure distilled water too. There didn't seem to be any difference. I'm not doing this right, am I. Should I be looking for that red line or not? It's so strange when you're shining a light through the water but you don't see a light. Know what I mean? Sorry about the long post but these things are kind of hard to describe in words. Thanks, Sharon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or-
