Re: CS>tooth brushing with soap

[David Bearrow]

At 08:11 AM 7/31/04, you wrote:

What soap did you order for your teeth?



I use Miracle II soap for brushing my teeth, washing my hair, put it in a 
foamer and shave with it, wash my body, wash my dishes with it, wash my 
clothes with it, clean my floors with it. In short I have replaced all the 
multitudinous chemicals and ointments I use to use with 1 soap and it works 
great!


Warning - there is a brand called Masters Miracle soap that is manufactured 
by the same company but re-labeled and the price jacked way up (nearly 
tripled) to cover their multi level marketing scheme.




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Re: CS>My startling allergy discovery

[David Bearrow]

At 08:56 AM 7/30/04, you wrote:

VERY interesting Daddy Bob. Allergies are a pet topic of mine, mostly
trying to get over them!


I cured my lifelong allergies by cleansing my liver once every 2 weeks for 
10 weeks.


http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/





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Re: CS>Re:Re: CS> Testing

[David]

Thank you for doing that Bill. The price for PPM test
is good! I am currently using LVDC unit, I have a
hanna TDS meter and a PWT meter on the way. I thought
you couldn't get a true PPM reading with a TDS meter?
Anyway thanks again for making the call.  I may send
them a sample or two.

David

--- William Amos  wrote:
> David:
> As I said I would, I spent a couple hours on the
> phone today to labs that can check silver. 
> 
> For 15 to 20 dollars they will check for PPM. The
> big expense comes when checking particle size with
> an electron microscope. Do you make your silver with
> low voltage DC or high voltage AC ?  When I was
> making it with lvdc I used a Hanna  TDS meter. Now
> that I use only hvac it can't be used to test for
> PPM. I plan to send it to one of the labs I spoke to
> today for PPM only. 
> 
> Bill Amos
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> of my CS to get the true PPM, particle size, and
> whatever
> other info is pertinent?  Thanks in advance!
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Re: CS> Testing

[David]

Thank you Ode.

David


--- Ode Coyote  wrote:
> Silver Colloids
> 213 Irick Road
> Westampton, NJ 08060
> Email to: silver-colloids.com
>  
> 
>  Frank Keys lab
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> At 05:35 PM 7/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >Can anyone recommend a good place to send  samples
> of
> >my CS to get the true PPM, particle size, and
> whatever
> >other info is pertinent?  Thanks in advance!
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Re: CS>Re:Re: CS> Testing

[David]

Bill.

Thank you! That would be great.

David

--- William Amos  wrote:
> In April of 2002 I sent a bottle of CS to Pollution
> Control Services   435 Isom Road, Suite 228   San
> Antonio, Texas
> 78216-5144.Phone  210  340-0343. They charged
> $10.00.
> I haven't been in touch since that, but will call
> tomorrow
> (Friday) July 30th. if you like and get some info.
> 
> Bill Amos
> 
> 
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Re: CS> Testing

[David]

Can anyone recommend a good place to send  samples of
my CS to get the true PPM, particle size, and whatever
other info is pertinent?  Thanks in advance!


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Re: CS>Parrot, kidney problem and Colloidal Silver

[David Bearrow]

Absolutely wonderful! I feed my cockatiel 10ppm colloidal silver in his 
water bowl for the past 2 years. He is happy and healthy and has never even 
had a cold.


At 11:47 PM 7/24/04, you wrote:

Hi,

I've waited quite a while so as to be certain of what I'm posting.  I have a
parrot (he talks way too much!), who had an infection in his kidneys.
Baytril injected in grapes cured the infection.  Some months pass and Babe
seems to regain the kidney infection.  I ask the specialist vet for some
more Baytril but the vet asked me to bring him (I assume Babe is a he
because I've never seen an egg), in for testing because it might not be an
infection.  Tests show kidney failure but the vet can't tell me exactly what
the cause is or the kind of failure (there are several reasons for kidney
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Re: CS>

[David Bearrow]

At 09:09 PM 7/22/04, you wrote:



  Could alzheimers be the new name for senility or 'second childhood'?
If so, I bet that people still got it when pure aluminum was rarer than
gold...if they lived that long that is. [I guess not many did]
 Aluminum oxidizes after a while. Aluminum oxide is pretty inert stuff use
to make sandpaper grit.




Aluminum is one of the most abundant elements found in the environment. 
Therefore, human exposure to this metal is common and unavoidable. However, 
intake is relatively low because this element is highly insoluble in many 
of its naturally occurring forms. The significance of environmental contact 
with aluminum is further diminished by the fact that less than 1% of that 
taken into the body orally is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract.


The average human intake is estimated to be between 30 and 50 mg per day. 
This intake comes primarily from foods, drinking water, and 
pharmaceuticals. Based on the maximum levels reported in drinking water, 
less than 1/4 of the total intake comes from water. Some common food 
additives contain aluminum. Due to certain additives, processed cheese and 
cornbread are two major contributors to high aluminum exposures in the 
American diet. With regard to pharmaceuticals, some common over-the-counter 
medications such as antacids and buffered aspirin contain aluminum to 
increase the daily intake significantly.


Over the last few years, there has been concern about the exposures 
resulting from leaching of aluminum from cookware and beverage cans. 
However, as a general rule, this contributes a relatively small amount to 
the total daily intake. Aluminum beverage cans are usually coated with a 
polymer to minimize such leaching. Leaching from aluminum cookware becomes 
potentially significant only when cooking highly basic or acidic foods. For 
example, in one study, tomato sauce cooked in aluminum pans was found to 
accumulate 3-6 mg aluminum per 100 g serving.


Certain aluminum compounds have been found to be an important component of 
the neurological damage characteristics of Alzheimer's Disease (AD). Much 
research over the last decade has focused on the role of aluminum in the 
development of this disease. At this point, its role is still not clearly 
defined. Since AD is a chronic disease which may take a long time to 
develop, long-term exposure is the most important measure of intake. 
Long-term exposure is easiest to estimate for drinking water exposures. 
Epidemiological studies attempting to link AD with exposures in drinking 
water have been inconclusive and contradictory. Thus, the significance of 
increased aluminum intake with regard to onset of AD has not been determined.
http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/alzheimers.htm 



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Re: CS>Hydrogen peroxide and Colloidal Silver

[David]

I was just curious, that if you use .999 or .
silver wire, and since it is not 100% pure silver,
what other metals are you getting in your water
besides silver? Would that be zinc or copper too?  

David



--- "oldgl...@bigcountry.net"
 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was told it is not a good idea to add hydrogen
> peroxide to the steam
> distilled water before making the Colloidal Silver
> because it causes the
> resulting product to be 100% ionic as opposed to 85%
> ionic without the
> hydrogen peroxide.
> 
> Reportedly it won't affect the ionic ratio if the
> hydrogen peroxide is added
> after the making of the Colloidal Silver.
> 
> However, unless there is a good reason to add
> hydrogen peroxide to the water
> after making the CS (is there any proof of
> efficacy), it might not be a good
> thing to do.  I just read where hydrogen peroxide
> might be implicated in
> Alzheimer's along with other minerals (zinc and
> copper).
> 
> Jean Baugh
> 
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Re: CS>re: mold (ringworm)

[David Bearrow]

At 05:04 PM 7/19/04, you wrote:

treat it long after symptoms have gone away. Ringworm is a case in
point, if you do not continue to treat for 10 days after the lesions
have healed on your skin they will come back.


I've always treated ringworm with an icecube with salt sprinkled on it. I 
hold the salty icecube on the ringworm till it goes numb. I do this about 3 
times in 1 day and it kills it in 1 day. No return.


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CS>Re: Mike Monet

[David Bearrow]

Mike!

Glad to see you back.

How are you doing? Did you move from that mold infested apartment?
Are you feeling better?

I missed your comments on this list.
Welcome back!

David Bearrow

At 03:02 AM 7/19/04, you wrote:

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m71955.html

  Re: CS>re: mold
  From: Paul Holloway
  Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:21:04



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Re: CS>Peanuts, etc.

[David Bearrow]

I've never had any trouble with peanuts. But if I eat almonds I will pop 
out a fever blister in a hurry.


At 01:30 PM 7/18/04, you wrote:

Peanuts and chocolate are also the two highest sources
of arginine, an amino acid that the herpes virus (and
all it's cousins) thrives on. If you have a herpes
problem (whether type I or II), you should avoid these
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Re: CS>

[David Bearrow]

At 10:08 PM 7/16/04, you wrote:
Mozilla 1.7 is snack to setup and use, MUCH better than Internet 
Explorer  and has a very good mail program built-in.

( You still have to keep a copy of I.E. to talk to your friendly bank)
EudoraPro is the best Mail Program out there for very serious users, but 
the one built-in to Mozilla is far better than Outlook Express AND comes 
with a free anti-spam program.


I can use Mozilla for online banking. Works fine with my bank.



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Re: CS>What CS information is the truth?

[David]

I think even the so called experts disagree about all
of this so who really knows who is right.  Even "if"
(and thats a BIG IF) he was right about our CS
machines not making CS that benefits us I am a firm
believer in the placebo effect.  I think a persons
perceptions and beliefs make their reality. There are
so many testimonies from people that have used CS and
they believe it helped or even healed them its hard
not to beleive our stuff works.  My biggest concern up
to now was to make sure that it wasn't going to harm
myself or others that I make it for.  I have come to
the conclusion there is no danger in properly prepared
CS at home. 

David
--- John Rigby  wrote:
> At 07:23 PM 15/07/04, David wrote:
> 
> >I cut and pasted this from another group.  As  a
> >newbie to CS things like this really confuse me.  I
> am
> >not sure what to believe:
> 
> HA!  You sure aren't alone there, David!
> Not sure how scientific you want to get - but this
> is the place for hard 
> science stuff.
> You can get a booklet on colloidals there written by
> a world expert and the 
> Site is actually an analytical laboratory facility
> that specialises 
> in  Silver!
> http://www.silver-colloids.com/index.html
> 
> AFTER all that, you can look in the archives here
> and go nutz!  :-)
> 
> What you can get here is lots of "anecdotal" (as the
> medical mafia calls 
> it)  information, which means it is based on the
> best of all information: 
> experience - and often the hard way.
> 
> What you will find here is a lot of nice people who
> will sincerely try to 
> help.  THAT's the important part.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Himagain
> "In the beginning was the first confusion" .
> Try here to begin The 
> Understanding.  WARNING! most people really don't
> want to know...
> http://www.fablor.com/matrixide/
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CS>This just in:

[David S Osborne]

"Kleenex" has announced an "anti-viral" tissue will be introduced
this fall.

No idea if CS is involved.

davido


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Re: CS>cholesterol

[David Bearrow]

Over ten years ago, the two-time Nobel prize Laureate, Dr Linus Pauling and 
his associate Dr Matthias Rath, advocated and published a definitive thesis 
on the root cause, treatment, and actual cure for all forms of 
cardiovascular disease (CVD), including congestive heart failure, heart 
disease, and stroke. Today, cardiovascular related health problems together 
comprise fully one half of all causes of death in the US. Pauling and 
Rath's brilliant analysis of CVD is absolutely compelling and amply 
supported by numerous epidemiological and clinical studies. His unified 
theory of CVD constitutes one of the greatest breakthroughs in modern 
science, and yet has been almost completely ignored by the mainstream 
medical establishment, and received almost no press.

http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

David Bearrow

At 11:43 PM 7/14/04, you wrote:

Dear Terry,
I read somewhere that sucrose, (table sugar, which is definitely not a
natural food, for sure,) is the cause of high cholesterol, not eggs or meat.
When sucrose is digested, it breaks down to glucose and fructose. The
fructose is then broken down to more glucose and, taaa daa, Cholesterol!!!
Makes sense, that sugar is what is killing us.
I`m addicted to the stuff...
Marshalee



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CS>What CS information is the truth?

[David]

I cut and pasted this from another group.  As  a
newbie to CS things like this really confuse me.  I am
not sure what to believe:



One problem with using electralysis[sp?]  to create
"colloidal" silver, 
is 
that the solution tends to be ionic in nature.

Ionic silver is colorless.

It will combine with either HCl [hydrocloric acid] in
the stomach or if 
it 
makes it that far [by being absorbed in the GI tract
or being 
administered 
subcutaneously] to make it into the blood stream, it
will combine with 
potassium chloride or sodium chloride to form silver
chloride.

It is as a true colloidal which is dark yellow in
color, that silver 
has the 
antibacterial/healing properties.

Colloidal silver that has a high concentration of
silver particles does 
not 
look like water because silver particles, even very
small particles 
block 
light from passing through, making the liquid appear
darker.

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html


Simple way to demonstrate the presence of ionic silver

Here is a simple way to demonstrate ionic silver
content. All that is 
required is that a chloride ion source to be added to
a small amount of 
ionic silver. Normal table salt is sodium chloride
(NaCl). When table 
salt 
is dissolved in water it dissociates into sodium ions
and chloride 
ions. To 
demonstrate: Place a small amount (1-2 ounces) of
ionic silver in a 
clear 
glass. Add a few grains of table salt. Observe that as
the salt 
dissolves a 
white cloud of silver chloride forms in the solution.
Eventually, the 
entire 
solution will turn cloudy. If more salt is added, the
white silver 
chloride 
will become denser until all the silver ions have
combined with the 
available chlorine ions. If no silver ions are present
then no white 
cloud 
will form.


"Colloidal silver generators" sold to home hobbyists
all produce ionic 
silver solutions.



See also

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Book/SilverColloids-s.pdf

"Silver Colloids Do they Work?" by Ronald J Gibbs


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Re: CS>(CS + Hydrogen Peroxide) and (CS + H20)

[David Bearrow]

If you take just distilled water and add hydrogen peroxide the conductance 
will go up. This just proves that hydrogen peroxide is conductive. It does 
not prove that it makes silver particles smaller. I'm not saying it doesn't 
do that, just that the fact that hydrogen peroxide is conductive does not 
prove it makes PPM go up. You could also koolaid to your CS and the 
conductance would go up. This proves nothing other than that a conductive 
impurity has been added to the water.


David Bearrow

At 06:47 AM 7/14/04, you wrote:
Yes, there is proof. If you have a Hanna PWT and measure the conductance 
of the finished EIS, then add some H202, the conductance will go up.



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Re: CS>Question for anyone

[David Bearrow]

http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/

At 02:36 AM 7/13/04, you wrote:

can you give us his website?
- Original Message -
I LOVE Dr. Williams!  He is wonderful and has many tips and ideas on how 
to find and use alternative health options.



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CS>CS maker

[David]

I want to thank everyone that commented on my baking
soda question, if I would have been able to get to the
archives before I asked, all my questions on that
subject were pretty much answered.  I am in the
process of looking for a high capacity unit( I might
go with Terry Chamberlin's system. It sounds perfect) 
for my hydroponic project I am building in my
basement. I going to use CS to control bacteria and
fungus on my veggies and plants but I also want CS for
myself and my friends and family to take. I do have a
question though. I went to radio shack and bought a
110v adapter that puts out 24vac at 1000mA.  I put
16oz of DW in a jar with an air stone for aeration and
the two electrodes. I also put a couple droppers of
some CS that was made with a 9volt unit to help
conductivity.  I let it sit and work for two hours.
What is strange is the electrodes don't look like they
need to be cleaned like they do after using the 9volt
unit(is that normal with AC?).  I have a Hanna TDS
meter and I realize you can't check CS ppm this way
but I wanted to see how the readings were before and
after. the water in the beginning were 000 like I
hoped, and when finished it read 005. The end result
is very clear and when shining a lazer pen though it,
you can barely see a Tyndall effect compared to what I
saw with the finished product from the 9 volt unit.  
Can anyone guesstimate for me what they think the PPM
might be for all that I did? thanks in advance.


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CS>Baking soda

[David]

Hello everyone! 

I am new to this list and I have a question.  I have
been searching for a CS system and was looking at CS
Pro. http://www.csprosystems.com/UniPhaseMaxPg.html .
They mention that they use Baking soda to control PH
and conductivity of the water.  I know salts are bad
to add from the research I have done on the net, but
will baking soda hurt anything?  Any other suggestions
for a high capacity unit? Thanks in advance!

David


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Re: CS>Ohms Law does apply, Georg Ohms lost his job to give us the law

[David Bearrow]

The confusion lies in the fact that he is measuring across the transistor 
and that's why his values are not coming out as you might expect. I suspect 
if he were to measure the resistance of the water with his device removed 
he would see a different value than when measuring across the electrodes 
attached to the device. Because internally the transistor has reached its 
lower limit and its internal resistance can go no lower this causes the 
internal transistor resistance to remain constant. Since its in a constant 
current configuration the current remains constant. Since the resistance is 
constant and the current is constant that's why the voltage across the 
transistor is remaining constant. (You can use conductance to calculate 
resistance 1/conductance=resistance).


At 04:01 AM 6/28/04, you wrote:
You are talking about how the circuit works,  not circuit quantities 
of Volts, Current, and Resistance.


Actually, Conductance is not even one of the parameters used in the 
typical calculation.



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Re: CS>Ohms Law does apply, Equivalent Circuit

[David Bearrow]

That is because when the transistors reach saturation the load that is 
driving the equation is no longer the resistance of the water but it is the 
load which the p-n junction at saturation represents that drives the 
equation. Since silver ions are still entering the water the resistance of 
the water continues to lower (the reciprocal of conductance) however since 
the transistors are at their limit the only load felt is the resistance 
across the p-n junction which will remain constant since this is the limit 
of the transistor and so the voltage stays the same. I imagine the 
transistors get pretty hot if left at that point for very long.


At 09:14 PM 6/27/04, you wrote:
  Frankly, I don't see how the current could remain constant, and the 
volts remain  constant, while the conductivity is changing.



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Re: CS>Ohms Law does apply, Equivalent Circuit

[David Bearrow]

At that point the transistors are saturated and cannot change any further. 
You found the lower limit of that particular transistor.


At 05:23 PM 6/27/04, you wrote:

 Strangely, the voltage levels off at around 4vdc and conductivity keeps
rising at a more or less linear rate while current stays rock steady.



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Re: CS>New commercial use of silver

[David S Osborne]

where ya been Tom  therz more than one.
davido

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:22:17 -0400 "tbass"  writes:
> CS gang,
> One of the name brand band aid
> companies now puts out a series of band aid
> sizes with silver coated pads. They also print 
> (in very small letters) which bacteria and other
> pathogens the band aids protects against..!!
>  It's silver recognition time.!
> Tom Bassett
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Re: CS>New commercial use of silver

[David S Osborne]

go to the Agion site and see all the things they are "silverizing"
davido

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:00:14 -0700 "bbanever" 
writes:
I bought a new pair of running shoes yesterday and the shoes had a label
on the foam insoles that read : Agion antimicrobial
*Prevents growth of odor causing bacteria
*Lasts the life of the product
*Antimicrobial silver technology proven safe and effective.

These running shoes were made by Addidas!

Re: CS>Concentrace flavor

[David Bearrow]

The flavor of Concentrace is bad but its not unbearable. I take a teaspoon 
every morning straight out of the measuring spoon. I follow it with a glass 
of water.


At 09:09 PM 6/26/04, you wrote:

Marion said:
> Is there some reason you can't add the drops of
Concentrace to a 1/2 glass of veggie/or other juice?

No, in fact that is a good idea. Some folks say it is
good in tomatoe juice, some say orange juice (yuk),
some even say apple juice (double yuk). I pour it into
vegetable soup. It is best hidden in a salt-based
flavor. Miso covers the taste well. I make a hot sauce
with AC vinegar, cayenne pepper powder, garlic powder
and ginger powder. I can add a lot of Concentrace to
this hot sauce without tasting the Concentrace.



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RE: CS> Useful current limit circuit

[David Bearrow]

Hi Wayne,

Why not spend the $50 and get yourself a conductance meter?

Dave

At 09:02 AM 6/25/04, you wrote:
  I would like to point out the disadvantages of the constant 
current.  Using constant current, the LED will not serve as a visual 
indicator of current flow which allows the rejection of inferior water.


 I realize this is not important to many, but it is to me, because I have 
found so much junk distilled water.
Plus I am in the habit of doing it, my eye is trained, but I am not close 
minded.



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Re: CS>Shingles

[David Bearrow]

What is sticky plaster? How is it made?

At 10:19 PM 6/17/04, you wrote:

She took 4 tablespoons per day and applied it topically on a cotton ball 
all day long. (with sticky plaster.)



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Re: CS>human changes

[David Bearrow]

Yes, please do the google search and take notice of the fact that all the 
pages written by geneticists say NOTHING about extra strands in the context 
that fellow was talking about and the only pages that do talk about it in 
the same context are pages about channelings from pleadians and other such 
nonsense.


Humans evolving extra strands is a myth propagated by those who wish to 
promote their fantasies as facts.


At 09:28 AM 6/17/04, you wrote:
I first ran across reports that some people's DNA is changing about 15 
years ago.  Since then I have seen more and more reports from more and 
more sources.  Apparently this is fact.  What is unknown is if it is from 
some shift in the Earth energies as many are saying, or from something 
else, like mutations from pollution and exposure to toxic chemicals.

This simple google search will return about 70 web pages concerning this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=dna+%22extra+strands%22 




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Re: CS>human changes

[David Bearrow]

Science fiction.

At 05:42 AM 6/17/04, you wrote:

Anyone know about this guy?

http://www.rense.com/general53/dna.htm




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Re: CS>[List Owner] Comment...,

[David Bearrow]

Bill gave me a hearty laugh. His post was tongue in cheek. Some of you 
folks need to lighten up.


At 06:14 AM 6/9/04, you wrote:

nonsense, he didn't characterize anyone as "loonies". he wants to avoid
others thinking that.

 Mike doesn't want *good health seekers* to come here and find much more
about off subject topics that have nothing to do, even remotely, with
COLLOIDAL SILVER and health.

this is why Mike created the offtopic list.

and Bill, why did you call it the "OT looney bin"?

i think that was a massive insult, and if it were my list, you would be
censored for that, but Mike is too polite, and probably very hurt by your
words.



> Original Message:
> -
> From:  jrowl...@nctimes.net
> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:00:41 -0700
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Comment...,
>
>
> > Those who believe Tesla was
> > screwed over and those who believe in chemtrails have now been relegated
> to
> > the OT looney bin?---Bill Missett
> If one looks at the Subjects in
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
> it's an impossible hodge-podge of non-CS posts, morphing Subject
> headings
> by those who just can't resist, tasteless jokes, drunken ramblings,
> the-sky-is-falling rants on just about everything
> Mike has displayed Job-like patience, established this list,
> PAYS out of his own pocket for BOTH websites---and this is his
> reward for a simple request?
> jr
> __
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Re: CS>Computer 'toxic dust'

[David Bearrow]

The other suspicious quality of the article is they appeal to your emotions 
by pointing out it was found in a computer in a childrens science museum. 
However, they don't point out the children were perfectly safe as usually 
in a science exhibit the computer itself would be protected well away from 
prying hands and the children at the most only had access to the keyboard 
and the mouse.


At 10:08 AM 6/7/04, you wrote:

My take on this is that dust when it settles in a computer or on a monitor, is
absorbing the chemicals.  Then if you stir it up, it can be airborne and get
breathed in.  I see no way those chemiacls could form a dust on their own.

Marshall

David Bearrow wrote:

> I agree, it does not make sense. In fact I have trouble keeping dust OUT of
> my computer. It acts like a vacuum cleaner. The fans suck air in. I have to
> vacuum the dust out about 3 times a year.
>
> At 10:57 AM 6/6/04, you wrote:
> >My intuitive BS meters are flickering.  Nothing rational, but it just does
> >not seem right.  Look inside an old computer.  It is covered with a 
film of

> >dust, and sometimes grease from cooking.  How does the alleged toxic dust
> >get out of the computer?  Perhaps during its very initial use.  Why can't
> >the stuff be blown out with a bit of compressed air after construction?  I
> >can see fiberglass outgassing, and some of the insulation components, too,
> >but you probably get a much more massive dose from walking into a 
Wal-Mart.

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RE: CS>Computer 'toxic dust'

[David Bearrow]

I agree, it does not make sense. In fact I have trouble keeping dust OUT of 
my computer. It acts like a vacuum cleaner. The fans suck air in. I have to 
vacuum the dust out about 3 times a year.


At 10:57 AM 6/6/04, you wrote:

My intuitive BS meters are flickering.  Nothing rational, but it just does
not seem right.  Look inside an old computer.  It is covered with a film of
dust, and sometimes grease from cooking.  How does the alleged toxic dust
get out of the computer?  Perhaps during its very initial use.  Why can't
the stuff be blown out with a bit of compressed air after construction?  I
can see fiberglass outgassing, and some of the insulation components, too,
but you probably get a much more massive dose from walking into a Wal-Mart.



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Re: CS>Pyramids and health

[David Bearrow]

I would have loved it to be true. That an alien civilization built a 
monument on Mars. The pictures Viking took in July of 1976 captured my 
imagination. I eagerly looked forward to the day when the Mars Global 
Surveyor orbital craft in 1998 was to take more high resolution pictures of 
the site and reveal once and for all whether it was a genuine artifact. 
When the day came and picture # 22003 was taken showing a close up detailed 
view of the site, imagine my disappointment when it revealed the site to be 
nothing more than one of many similar natural features sculpted into the 
dusty, rocky surface by the red planet's fierce, swirling winds.


Since this is off topic I cannot respond any further.

David Bearrow

At 11:42 AM 6/3/04, you wrote:
You have obviously not researched it.  Do the research, then reply.  I 
don't know
where you got the idea it was a sand dune, but the evidence that it is not 
natural

grows stronger every year, and it is only one facet of that region in which
artifacts are laid out on geometric spots to incredible accuracy.

Since Hoagland was employed by NASA and he left because of the politics, I 
would

think he was in a very good position to know if they were conspiring to cover
anything up or not.  What is you background on this?

Marshall




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Re: CS>Tesla

[David Bearrow]

True he wasn't the best businessman. And he squandered and was cheated out 
of the fortune he made from the sale of his wireless transmission device to 
J.P. Morgan. But I haven't seen where he was hounded by anyone for his 
ideas like Rife was.


At 10:55 AM 6/2/04, you wrote:
Tesla died a pauper in a hotel room.  Hi was supported by donations from a 
few of the
people that had ripped him off.  Probably because they felt sorry for 
having taken

advantage of him.  I saw a special program night before last on Tesla's life.

Trem

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Re: CS>Pyramids and health

[David Bearrow]

Are you referring to Richard "face on mars that turned out to be a sand 
dune yet he insists there is a conspiracy" Hoagland as not being a kook? 
ROFL


At 10:07 AM 6/2/04, you wrote:

Well for one thing I am a friend of his, and know him and his work quite
well.  His site is ascention2000.com and he has even spent a weekend with us
on one occasion, when he tutored me and several other lucky people on his
work.  He is completely honest as far as I can tell, and the papers he refers
to are available as well.  Neither he nor the other person who was
interviewed, Richard C. Hoagland who use to be a scientist with NASA and
who's site is http://www.enterprisemission.com are kooks.  In fact Hoagland
and Bell wrote the book "The Coming Superstorm" that the fictional movie "The
Day After" was based on.

Marshall

David Bearrow wrote:

> At 07:20 PM 6/1/04, you wrote:
> >This is from the Art Bell show last week, the person speaking is David
> >Wilcock:
> >
> >Interesting.  I remember the pyramid power craze back in the 60's and
> >70's, turns
> >out maybe there was something to it after all.
> >
> >Marshall
>
> Art Bell has all kinds of kooks on his show. Who is David Wilcock and why
> are you willing to accept his testimony as true?
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Re: CS>Pyramids and health

[David S Osborne]

See here, now.  even more interesting than Star Trek:

http://www.gizapyramid.com/BIO-Flanagan.htm


been there, by the way; sat on the edge of the sarcophagus,
but not having my OBA could not bring myself to lie down in it  
[t'ain't called The Great P without basis]. There was convincing,
scientific proof that the pyramid shape does little to care for the
centuries of human urine and excrement.

davido

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:41:27 -0400 Marshall Dudley
 writes:
> Marshall Dudley wrote:
> 
> > Well for one thing I am a friend of his, and know him and his work 
> quite
> > well.  His site is ascention2000.com
> 
> Opps, that should have been - http://ascension2000.com/
> 
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Re: CS>Pyramids and health

[David Bearrow]

At 07:20 PM 6/1/04, you wrote:
This is from the Art Bell show last week, the person speaking is David 
Wilcock:


Interesting.  I remember the pyramid power craze back in the 60's and 
70's, turns

out maybe there was something to it after all.

Marshall


Art Bell has all kinds of kooks on his show. Who is David Wilcock and why 
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Re: CS>RE: Mexican CS; colloidal mill

[David Bearrow]

At 10:57 AM 6/1/04, you wrote:

and how many years earlier - when they hounded the 'electrical guys' -
Tesla, Rife, etc...  Bob Beck had an answer, release to the public domain.

Christine


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Re: CS>Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen

[David Bearrow]

At 11:50 AM 5/30/04, you wrote:

At the anode electrical current passing through the metallic silver will
strip an electron from the outermost orbit of a silver atom thus converting
it into an ion. The ion is water soluble and dissolves into the water thus
increasing the ionic silver concentration in the water. The electron that
was stripped from the atom forms an anion which has a negative ionic charge
due to the extra electron. For every silver cation (+) that is formed
(dissolved) a corresponding "companion" anion(-) is formed such that the net
charge in the liquid is always zero.


Does the silver atom break off into the water simultaneously as it is 
stripped of an electron? This silver atom that is missing the electron is 
the cation? And the electron that was stripped off, what does it join 
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CS>Fever blisters, CS with DMSO, testimony

[David Bearrow]

I had a bad outbreak of cold sores on my lip along an old scar. The patch 
was the size of half a penny. I mixed 9 part CS with 1 part DMSO and 
sprayed the outbreak with the mixture every 2 hours. By the next day it had 
turned to a scab. This type of outbreak if left untreated would have grown 
into huge blisters on my lip. As it was it just had gotten to the slightly 
swollen skin stage then with application of CS mixed with DMSO it turned 
into a scab in 1 day and ceased growing. I have tried SC alone in the past 
with no success. Certainly CS mixed with DMSO is absolutely a viable way to 
treat a fever blister.


David Bearrow 



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Re: CS>pink eye

[David Bearrow]

At 10:37 PM 5/27/04, you wrote:
Does it matter if the application method is a  drop, spray, mist, 
squirt, or splash?


Hi Wayne,

I guess it doesn't matter how you get it in your eye as long as you get it 
there. For me a mister just wasn't getting the job done as I would blink 
and couldn't really soak the eye down that way so I switched to an 
eyedropper and I can coat my entire eye with it.


David Bearrow 



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Re: CS>pink eye

[David Bearrow]

At 12:34 PM 5/27/04, you wrote:

Hey List-  A friend's daughter has pink eye
in bothe eyes.  I had her soak gauze with
cs and place on eyelids.  Didn't know dosage
or concentrations for putting in eye.  Any
suggestions?


I've put 10ppm CS directly on my eye with an eyedropper and cleared my 
pinkeye in 3 days. I kept a little bottle in my shirt pocket and every few 
hours I would put a couple drops in my eye.


David Bearrow 



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CS>re malaria

[David S Osborne]

suggest all interested in Malaria do a Google:
 
"malaria pill depression suicide"
 
apparantly 3 out of the 4 GIUs who killed their spouses
and committed suicide had used the drug given to millions
for malaria [prevention?]

davido


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Re: CS>It's probably time...

[David Bearrow]

At 11:43 AM 5/21/04, you wrote:

I stated that DMSO kills viruses. I stand by that statement.

Garnet


Since a virus technically is not "alive" it cannot be killed. The way I see 
viri is that they are messed up genetic programs. The cell they reprogram 
is alive but the virus is not. Sorry for the semantics. :)


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Re: CS>procedures with CS, ( Mole Removal, skin tag )

[David Bearrow]

Mine are the same as yours. I dropped the decimal point by accident. I meant to 
say .1 cm. In other words, I stretch the tag out and cut it as close as I can 
to the skin. I had one on my eyelid last year I performed that operation on and 
no sign of it this year. I think the CS has stopped me from growing any new 
tags but the ones I already had needed to be removed manually.

Marshall Dudley  wrote:How big are your tags? Mine are 
only .2 or so cm to start with. I can't
imaging skin tags that are 1/2" or more.

Marshall

David Bearrow wrote:

> At 03:29 AM 5/16/04, you wrote:
> leaving about 1 cm of the tag that protrudes from the skin. It does bleed
> quite a bit but a Band-Aid is sufficient to contain the bleeding. The
> remaining 1 cm always goes away after this procedure in about a week. No

RE: CS>procedures with CS, ( Mole Removal, skin tag )

[David Bearrow]

At 03:29 AM 5/16/04, you wrote:
 I believe a nice clean razor blade may be the best solution to the skin 
tags.  He thinks he would bleed to death and is not in favor of this 
quick method.


 I have researched skin tags a bit.  Still no answer why these things 
show up.   I have less now than I did a few years back.


I grasp the skin tag between forefinger and thumb and stretch it out then 
take a pair a scissors in the other hand and snip the offending tag off 
leaving about 1 cm of the tag that protrudes from the skin. It does bleed 
quite a bit but a Band-Aid is sufficient to contain the bleeding. The 
remaining 1 cm always goes away after this procedure in about a week. No 
pain at all.


I understood these skin tags to be the result of the Papilloma virus.

David Bearrow 



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Re: CS>Spider Bite Documents and References

[David S Osborne]

Sure wish someone would try the Violet Ray on a bite.

Never had the nerve myself but I have seen someone use the eyecup
applicator directly on the eye. I have used one numerous times on my
neck.

Never have had a recluse bite to try it on. Feel sure it would do the
trick.
davido


On Thu, 13 May 2004 15:13:48 -0400 "Charles Sutton"
 writes:
> Just my two cents, but in this case I would want to forgo the 
> electricity
> and use the healing (betonite) clay and CS to draw out the poison 
> and heal.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Wayne Fugitt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:26 PM
> Subject: CS>Spider Bite Documents and References
> 
> 
> > Morning Deborah,
> >
> >  >> With a spider bite located on my neck, close to what 
> functioning brain
> > >cells I have left, I am distinctly not crazy about the idea of 
> zapping
> > >myself with 25,000 volts.
> >
> 
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Re: CS> Fever blisters

[David Bearrow]

At 04:01 PM 5/12/04, you wrote:

There is no medical documentation that DMSO is viricidal, CS is
viricidal.


When I feel a fever blister coming in on my lip (usually after eating 
almonds, I don't know why) I take my colloidal silver generator and put the 
silver leads one on each side of the fever blister site and hold them there 
with the current turned on for about 10 seconds. I do this about 3 times 
that day and the fever blister will go away. If I get to it when its still 
just an itch the fever blister will never form. If I wait till the blister 
appears it takes longer to get rid of it.



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Re: CS>UNSCRIBING

[David Bearrow]

At 08:03 PM 5/10/04, you wrote:

UNSCRIBE


How scribibulating! 



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Re: CS>Ghosts! And when to CS.

[David S Osborne]

hi  himagain.
my understanding of the way homeopathics work is that you give the
"patient" a substance
that contains the essence of the "problem condition", for the purpose of
stimulating said patient's own immune system to combat "problem" and
hopefully guard against future attacks [ie effecting a "cure"]

.if that is correct. what would be the problem caused by silver
that you would wish the body's immune system to guard against??
davido

On Sun, 09 May 2004 11:03:53 +1000 John Rigby 
writes:
Hi folks,
Sorry - some *elderly* posts not noticed, just went following my fixing
an odd problem with my email program . there *IS* a ghost in my
machine 

Speaking of which:  Does anyone know if there is such a thing as an
homeopathic version of Silver, CS or not?  
..etc

Re: CS>Chemo

[David S Osborne]

It's not spec. what you ask about, but...  I would strongly suggest
that you strongly
suggest to them find a place to get aloe vera by the gal.
...drink it constantly [goal
is to keep it on the stommie lining as much as possible. It has been
found to be extremely
healing for those who are undergoing the oral chemo. I'm sure it wouldnt
hurt to add cs.
davido

On Mon, 10 May 2004 06:42:54 -0400 "Deb&Mark" 
writes:
Hi all,  I just found out that a friends husband is on his 3rd round of
chemo ( I don't know what type of cancer).  I know chemo destroys your
immune system.  I want to make him CS.  I just don't know what amount he
should be taking and should I add dmso and msm or leave straight CS? 
Thanks everyone.  Deb

Re: CS>Psoriasis

[David S Osborne]

hey, Ross...

I learned awhile back, if "the friend" isn't invested in their own
wellness at least as much as the rest of us [put together]. they
really don't want to be well.
davido


On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:30:50 -0300 "Ross Craig"
 writes:
WoW davido, the fonts you use are certainly stimulating.so, i thank
you for those links and now will do the research

however, it is my good friend's problem, and he is a max type A
personality and it would be hard to get him to even treat the symptoms
topically, if it takes more than three seconds

he figures, since the affected areas drastically shrink  when he goes
south for a type A sailing vacaction...that he only needs to work harder
to get enough money to do it all the time

i know the psoriasis is only a symptom, but it will be a helluva time
convincing him of that...

he does not listen to many ppl as you can see, but i have a better chance
than his wife of getting through to him

so she is on my side too, to get him some help

thanks for all the posts

ross
- Original Message - 
From: David S Osborne 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Psoriasis


ross   

..this is an internal problem!!  Topical applications are of minimal,
shortterm bene.
first and foremost importance is  internal cleansing!!2nd
is DIET.
find someone in your area certified in COLONICS
set up a schedule for one a week [no less], skip for a
couple weeks and then get a couple more. On Dr John's site below, a
different schedule may be suggested; I strongly suggest you do what Dr
John suggests and stick to it!~

go here:
This address is for Dr. John Pagano  [DC i believe]
Dr John is the expert on curing Psoraisis, and hi on the list of
dear-souls in the planet.

http://www.psoriasis-healing.com/

davido

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:17:03 -0300 "Ross Craig"
 writes:
Does anyone have any info or experience on CS treatment for psoriasis? 

ross

i did look in the archives and found nothing there.

Re: CS>Was: CS and horses; IS: HEAD INJURY

[David S Osborne]

MIKE!!!

I found this incredibly interestin and it seems so important.
Is there info published re the effacy of this protocal??  where?
Is it being used as you suggest anywhere???
.tell us more
davido


On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:34:19 -5 "M. G. Devour" 
writes:
> Garnet wrote:
> > > DMSO is very good for normalizing head trauma in stroke
> > > and closed head injury.
> 
> Indeed, while I was reading up on DMSO last year this was something 
> 
> that made me very angry.
> 
> By now DMSO should be standard aboard every crash cart and EMS unit. 
> It 
> should be a routine first response to start an IV drip of saline or 
> 
> ringer's and 30% DMSO for stroke, spinal cord and closed head 
> injuries.
> 
> Entirely safely, DMSO serves to *drastically* reduce intracranial 
> swelling, which is what causes most of the crippling and death from 
> 
> these traumas.
> 
> Think of all the people who've been crippled or died from trauma to 
> the 
> brain or spinal cord since the 1960's. Every one of them has been 
> denied a chance at life by the FDA's suppression of DMSO research.
> 
> My mother died from a stroke at the age of 54 in 1980.
> 
> Mike D.
> 
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> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
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Re: CS>[OT] cross-posting warning for animal owners

[David Bearrow]

That is an urban legend. Please see the following URL:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/swiffer.asp

At 12:06 AM 5/6/04, you wrote:

This is from a Rhodesian Ridgeback list.

Re: The Swiffer Wet Jet and your Pets

Permission to cross post

From a Pennsylvania rescue list::



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Re: CS>Fw: [rifers] What's next...

[David S Osborne]

...both products have been mentioned here previously..

the J&J product can be traced back to AGion inc [via DuPont, in itself
interesting]
and AGion has been extensively mentioned here.
davido:]


On Wed, 5 May 2004 06:50:17 -0400 "T J Garland" 
writes:
> 
> : [rifers] What's next...
> 
> 
> > Hi all!
> >
> > This is a bit off topic but it sort of blew me away.
> >
> > Was in the Pharmacy dept of Walmart and found two items, one by 
> Johnson &
> Johnson and the other Curad. Both were a version of bandaids, and 
> both
> contained "silver".
> >
> > Curad's was a bandaid with "silver gel", that can be worn "48 
> hours or
> until it falls off".
> >
> > The box also states "laboratory testing showed that silver in the 
> dressing
> reduced bacterial growth (Staph. aureus, E coli, E. hirae and P. 
> aeruginosa
> for 48 hours)."
> >
> > Curad is made in Germany, and the silver is "0.003% silver oxide", 
> but to
> find it on the shelves in the USA was quite unique.
> >
> > Although they don't quite have it right, the mainstream must be 
> listening
> a little!
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CS>MS Sufferer

[David S Osborne]

I mess with 5htp cause it's avail right down the street at a fraction of
your trypto.
and also, I've had great success with it at extremely reasonable doseage
and I have
had NOOO, NADA "fringe" problems.

and, I have nooo problem "picking it up" or putting it down as appro. for
me. Just my experience...  i no claima be a spert.
davido:)

On Sat, 01 May 2004 20:31:34 -0500 Garnet 
writes:
> You can buy Tryptophan from www.fludan.com - why mess with 5 HTP, 
> which
> requires higher doses to get the same effect as it is further from
> Serotonin in the metabolic pathway you are trying to push.
> 
> Also SAMe, DMAE and Thai Holy Basil will all elevated mood through
> serotonin.
> 
> As well some hypnotists are working with raising Serotonin levels 
> and
> balancing brain chemistry through hypnotic suggestion.
> 
> Garnet
> 
> On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 19:21, David S Osborne wrote:
> > ..good luck with the Col.Gold.
> >  
> > 5HTP may be a great alternative also. I had better luck with it 
> than
> > with the gold.
> > davido
> >  
> > On Sat, 01 May 2004 18:48:19 + "Marie Hofman"
> >  writes:
> > Thanks to all who helped me with advice re weaning Dave 
> off
> > Fluoxetine (Prozac).  I have since been reading about
> > Colloidal Gold and found many testimonials where people 
> have
> > used CG with no side effects to wean off Prozac. Wow! is 
> it
> > that simple? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: CS>MS Sufferer

[David S Osborne]

..good luck with the Col.Gold.

5HTP may be a great alternative also. I had better luck with it than with
the gold.
davido

On Sat, 01 May 2004 18:48:19 + "Marie Hofman"
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(Prozac).  I have since been reading about Colloidal Gold and found many
testimonials where people have used CG with no side effects to wean off
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Re: CS>Silver In Horse Bandages

[David S Osborne]

ask 'em "What chooo gots agin a BLUE HORSE??"
davido

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:44:18 -0500 Garnet 
writes:
> I have been discussing CS on a horse forum that I am on and some are
> very skeptical due to Argyria info they turn up on searches, but 
> many
> are interested. Horse folks want to know what really works and will 
> be
> easy, inexpensive and keep wounds below the knee from forming Proud
> Flesh, a common occurrence in slow healing wounds. I will be 
> posting
> this information there this morning. It will be interesting to see 
> how
> this cross section of humanity from Dressage Queens to Outback 
> Sheep
> Herders reacts to this product.
> 
> Garnet
> 
> ~
> 
> Equus May 2004 in their New Products section lists VetAg Wrap.
> 
> "Antimicrobial wound dressings. A thin stretchable fabric made of
> medical-grade-nylon coated with 99 percent pure silver, these wraps 
> are
> designed to inhibit bacterial growth in pressure sores, burns, 
> abrasions
> and other open wounds without the use of drugs.
> 
> The dressing is placed directly over cleaned wound, with or without 
> an
> over lying bandage. The VetAg Wrap may be removed while the wound 
> is
> cleaned, then rinsed in water and reapplied, but it needs to be 
> disposed
> of once the wound has healed. The dressings come in three sizes and 
> can
> be cut to fit.
> 
> Manufacturers comments: 'Silver salve has been used on burn victims 
> for
> years, and historically, it was used before penicillin was 
> invented',
> says Marty Emrich, sales and marketing representative for Berlin
> Industries. 'The silver has been known to have antimicrobial 
> properties
> for up to 28 days.'
> 
> Price $9.50 for a four fy four inch pad; $15.99 for an eight by 
> sixteen
> inch pad; $19.95 for a four by twenty four inch pad.
> 
> Source: Berlin Industries, PO Box 215, Berlin, Center, Ohio 44401; 
> (800)
> 544-3635; www.selectfabricators inc.com."
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Re: CS>FW: CS>'WAS: Good bugs', 'bad bugs'; IS: POLARITY

[David Bearrow]

If I wanted to be tought new age religion I would have joined a new age 
religious list.


At 08:16 PM 4/29/04, you wrote:

Nenah

Great message, great insights!
There's no need to be remain in duality. It's a choice.
Increasing consciousness is about going beyond duality
There are new tests everyday, and the results are worth it.
Fear causes people to withdraw and reduce their frequency.
It's an effective manulipitive political tool if one wants to buy
into it.  Duality creates right and wrong > fear...etc..
As Above, so Below; As below, so Above - Hermetic axion.
Bring it to balance.  Like a car - if one tire is soft it will not
run efficiently.  As the consciousness increases it creates
greater physical/emotional/mental/spiritual harmony.  What
one feels inside in the heart is the measure, not the outside
determinates which has increasing sick statistics day by day.
Balancing with the heart/mind is important.

Christine



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Re: CS>Germs, plagues and Nostradamus

[David Bearrow]

I used to really enjoy this list and learned a lot from the GENUINE science 
and logic of the information that was available here. Now the list has been 
invaded with multiple new age religion people (who will deny its their 
religion) that put forth  fantasies as fact and this has caused all the 
people who used to have valuable input to the list to remain quiet.


The list has become less a source of valuable alternative health 
information and more of a source of irritation, myth, and false facts.


David Bearrow

At 04:51 PM 4/29/04, you wrote:

> From: Garnet 
> Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:52:41 -0500
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Germs, plagues and Nostradamus
> Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:57:44 -0700
>
> On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 22:21, John Rigby wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> It is extremely hard to put aside on's conditioning. That's why I like to
>> listen to the very young. 9-13 is a magic time, old enough to reason well,
>> old enough to be articulate, too young yet to be blindsided by weight of
>> Authority.
>> Some odd thoughts of the very young:
>> 1. How come all these different germs don't fight each other?
> Answer: They do.
Answer:  Perhaps there are energies behind them?  Thoughts activating?
Thought perpetuating the 'chronic - ness'?  When destructive words are
either spoken to or typed on a piece of paper and taped to bottles filled
with water either no crystals formed or the ones that did were clearly
distorted. Dr. Masaru Emoto/Japan 'Hidden messages in Water'- research
delves into a variety of areas from water purification, to quantum physics,
the use of prayer to purify water.  What about the water within each of us?
What are your inner thoughts?
>
>> 2. Where do the really bad ones come from, like plagues?
> Answer: Mutations
Answer:  Belief systems and projections of thoughts, often starting with the
pregnant mother and her life situation which the foetus is imprinted onto
the amygdala gland (circle of fear) from family, other people etc., thus
'personality profiles' like bully, victim, success, failure... Conditioning?
Integrity? What's 'right' via TV?, Culture, Govt. Enron, Pharma, Values?...
>
>> 3. Why is it always only 30% of the population ever dies from these 
plagues?

> Answer: It is isn't, some plagues kill whole villages, reaching near 90%.
Ebola comes to mind.
Answer:  Do loving thoughts and actions create survival of the fittest?  We
all have cancer cells.  Why do some folks activate them to tumours and
others appear to dissolve them and never get dis-eased? David R. Hawkins,
M.D., Ph.D., wrote in the mid-90's in 'Power vs. Force' that 80% of the
people have a frequency of about 200 MHz, and 80% of the remaining people
harmonise to 250 MHz and 80% of the balance resonate at 310 MHz on up to
1000 MHz.  As each frequency correlates to a specific thought consciousness
level.  Perhaps the mind body connection has been prevalent throughout the
history of mankind, and only those who embrace less antagonistic perceptions
do not have the susceptibility to plagues. -- just a thought...

>> 4. Why did Nostradamus' wife and kids die and him not?
> Answer: He was not home, he was out taveling curing others of the plague
> and he was fastidious in his preventative treatments. He was also a
> Kabblaist.
~ excerpt from Power vs. Force (power is within - force is external beliefs)
20MHz  Humiliation, Elimination, Despising, Miserable, Shame
30  Blame, Destruction, Vindictive, Evil, Guilt
...
150Hate, Aggression, Vengeful, Antagonistic, Anger
175Scorn, Inflation, Indifferent, Demanding, Pride

200Affirmation, Empowerment, Permitting, Feasible, Courage
(prior 9/11? - 'With us or a'gin us' is below 200 = not harmonious)

250 Trust, Release, Enabling, Satisfactory, Neutrality
310 Optimism, Intention, Inspiring, Hopeful, Willingness
350 Forgiveness, Transcendence, Merciful, Harmonious, Acceptance
400 Understanding, Abstraction, Wise, Meaningful, Reason
...
700-1000  Ineffable, Pure Consciousness, Self, Is, Enlightenment e.g.:
Mother Teresa etc...

Values such as Forgiveness, Harmonious, Acceptance, Understanding, etc.,
protect one's health.  Love is healing.  Empathy is powerful.
Knowledge/education/degrees are not necessarily wisdom or 'wise'.
Change your thoughts and change your life!  ...forgot who said it...
>>
>> Answers next time ?.
> Answer: Why wait for someone else to give you the answer.
Answer:  Consider getting still & looking within.  See who and what you
really are.  Then BE that divine being, not guided by the fo

Re: CS>Germs, plagues and Nostradamus

[David Bearrow]

Amazing! This email managed to reference 4 paranoid delusional conspiracy 
theories, sum them all together, and reach a false conclusion in under 200 
words.


Well done.

At 01:48 PM 4/29/04, you wrote:

>> 2. Where do the really bad ones come from, like plagues?
> unfortunately lyme disease -it's virulent modern version- may have come
> from from lab 257, smack dab off the coast of lyme , ct.
> sars is quite possibly a genetically reengineered version of a weak
> virus. our govt. would be able to trace it's spread and gather 
information for

> biological defense/warfare.
Considering Dr. Len Horowitz published info about it in Emerging Viruses;
AIDS & Ebola; Nature, Accident, or Intentional? and a herbal cure for SARS
long before it came the attention of the CDC it does look suspicious just as
the unchallenged best seller documentation confirming AIDS came from the
lab.  Also Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism & Toxic Warfare was
published long before the 'reality' caught up.  Time to 'wake-up' ...
The good guys might be the bad guys, and the 'weirdo's' the good guys.



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CS>re cold virus hiding in the body, particularly children.

[David S Osborne]

this is the address of a recent press release [pretty much copied below
for your conv.]

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/504538/?sc=wire

Researchers discover cold virus can 'hit and hide' 

Newswise — An international team of researchers has discovered that
respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a common cold virus causing
bronchiolitis in children, can act as a 'hit and hide' virus. It was
thought that the virus could only survive in the body for a few days, but
these new results show that the virus can survive for many months or
years, perhaps causing long-term effects on health, such as damage to the
lungs. 

The research, published in this month's American Journal of Respiratory
and Critical Care Medicine, was a joint project between Imperial College
London, St Mary's Hospital, London and the Ruhr-Universitat Bochum,
Germany. 

Professor Peter Openshaw, from Imperial College London and St Mary's
Hospital, and one of the papers authors, comments: "These studies show
that RSV is a 'hit and hide' virus, rather like HIV, herpes or some
hepatitis viruses. The symptoms seem to go away but the virus is just
hiding, waiting for a chance to re-emerge and begin infecting other
people." 

The researchers infected mice with the human RSV, and found that after 14
days, the virus could no longer be found in samples taken from the
airways, but tell-tale traces of the virus's genetic material (viral RNA)
were still found lying dormant in lung tissue over 100 days later. 

The team believes that this may also be the case in humans, and that long
after the initial symptoms, such as coughs and sneezes, have disappeared,
the virus could lie dormant in the body. It is possible that the
recurrent wheezing which occurs in children who have suffered from
bronchiolitis may be due to virus hidden in the lung. 

Professor Openshaw says: "Some people may be 'carriers', able to act as a
source of new outbreaks in children. If RSV is a 'hit and hide' virus,
this could explain where this virus goes in the summer and where it comes
from each winter. If the virus is able to lie dormant in previously
infected individuals, it could re-emerge when the conditions are right
and cause the outbreaks that fill our children's wards each winter." 

RSV is very common infecting most children during their first year of
life and for some infants RSV leads to bronchiolitis, one of the major
causes of infant hospitalisation in the Western world. Around 40 percent
of infants who experience bronchiolitis as a result of RSV infection are
subsequently affected by recurring wheeze and up to a third can also
suffer with childhood asthma. 

This research was supported by grants from the Wellcome Trust and the
Bundes Ministerium fur Bildung and Forschung.

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Re: CS>Psoriasis

[David S Osborne]

ross   

..this is an internal problem!!  Topical applications are of minimal,
shortterm bene.
first and foremost importance is  internal cleansing!!2nd
is DIET.
find someone in your area certified in COLONICS
set up a schedule for one a week [no less], skip for a
couple weeks and then get a couple more. On Dr John's site below, a
different schedule may be suggested; I strongly suggest you do what Dr
John suggests and stick to it!~

go here:
This address is for Dr. John Pagano  [DC i believe]
Dr John is the expert on curing Psoraisis, and hi on the list of
dear-souls in the planet.

http://www.psoriasis-healing.com/

davido

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:17:03 -0300 "Ross Craig"
 writes:
Does anyone have any info or experience on CS treatment for psoriasis? 

ross

i did look in the archives and found nothing there.

Re: CS>the vital placebo effect in ms etc

[David Bearrow]

Certainly there can be psychosomatic symptoms with some people due to 
hypochondria. But it would be an error to state that all allergies are due 
to thought. In my opinion, most allergies are due to a liver that is not 
operating at peak efficiency, usually congestion (bile ducts filled with 
cholesterol stones) or some other debilitating weakness of the liver. Most 
causes of allergy are PHYSICAL with hypochondria being the minority of cases.


I absolutely disagree with your insistence that humans have the ability to 
alter reality via thought alone.


David Bearrow

At 10:47 AM 4/25/04, you wrote:

If one is in that tunnel of thought - one is not likely to get well.  e.g.:
Allergies 1. allergy benefits are sympathy, resisting people or animals or
life, responsibilities, events and REALITY etc. or 2. perhaps allergies are
addictions to erroneous thoughts when dropped, the allergy disappears.
Be observant of one's innermost thoughts, they reflect the truth in health.

Christine



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Re: CS>Nano Silver lab analysis

[David Bearrow]

Were you able to determine what impurities were in the water that made its 
conductivity so high?


At 04:29 PM 4/19/04, you wrote:

For those who have speculated about Nano Silver and asked us for an
analysis, you can find the lab report here:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr25/cpr_25.html

The "2000 ppm" silver product actually contains 1.73 ppm of silver.

frank key



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Re: CS>silver mirroring within a ceramic water filter

[David Bearrow]

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00856.htm

At 12:00 AM 4/19/04, you wrote:

Friends,
I sent this message several days ago but am imagining it may not have been 
delivered...



I've recently come across some info on a way of treating a ceramic water 
filter with silver nitrate, then reducing to silver metal, similar to 
what's done with mirroring.  But I'm hoping some of our worthy members 
here may be able to fill me in the information I lack on reagents,

amounts and procedures.  Please.

I recently came across a 1972, Indian purblication with partial 
explanation of the use of 'an ammoniacal solution of silver nitrate 
reduced with acetaldehyde,' then kiln firing in reduced oxygen, to achieve 
a silver ceramic bond.  We are quite familiar with this last step in kiln 
firing, and now we have the acetaldehyde in hand.  But how to combine 
these materials and process is what we are not sure of.  Can anybody give 
some ideas for a starting point in our adopting this methodology?

Thanks,
Reid
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CS>silver bandages

[David S Osborne]

anyone notice the CURAD ads for "silver in the pad"
bandages.

davido


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Re: CS> Indigo potential

[David Bearrow]

I have already done so. Man is man. There is no evolution nor devolution. 
He is what he began as. We have acquired more knowledge and more efficient 
ways to store and sort it. But these are mechanical things we have created. 
The human organism remains the same.


The new age concept that some have higher consciousness than others smacks 
of RACISM to me. One can feel more superior to another by thinking they are 
more highly evolved. As Jason pointed out the Nazis held that to be true 
and used it to justify genocide.


This is completely off topic and so I will not respond to this thread any 
further through the list but please feel free to send an email directly to 
me if you wish to continue the discussion.


David Bearrow
dav...@sbcglobal.net

At 12:42 PM 4/18/04, you wrote:

If you see no reason to assume that man is evolving then can you support
this position by stating by what assumptions you conclude that man is in
a state of devolution or stasis? One of the three must be occuring and
since time is nothing more than the state of constant physical change,
we can safely assume it is not the process of stasis.

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 10:44, David Bearrow wrote:
> In every generation there are varying levels of IQ distributed throughout
> the population. These things can be explained as a byproduct of high
> intelligence. Its not necessary to explain it as higher consciousness or
> mystical awareness. Occams razor states one should not make more
> assumptions than the minimum needed. A child with high IQ that likes to
> read has available the sum total of mans knowledge available via the web
> and the library as well as visual stimuli via television. I see no reason
> to assume that man is evolving.



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Re: CS> Indigo potential

[David Bearrow]

In every generation there are varying levels of IQ distributed throughout 
the population. These things can be explained as a byproduct of high 
intelligence. Its not necessary to explain it as higher consciousness or 
mystical awareness. Occams razor states one should not make more 
assumptions than the minimum needed. A child with high IQ that likes to 
read has available the sum total of mans knowledge available via the web 
and the library as well as visual stimuli via television. I see no reason 
to assume that man is evolving.


At 10:25 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:

David,
Maybe, but other evidence such as perfect scores in Provincial exams and an
SAT of 800 on language create doubt.  Also videotaped awareness of seeing
when completely blindfolded etc.  Alan Newman of ABC did a video in the late
'80's about some of these children (5000+) that were being awakened to
extended awareness in Mexico.
Recently tests have been done in China and Russia, and in the US military
about people who have extended abilities. This does not fit in all paridyms
of consciousness, but there are substantial numbers of children that can do
more than we can, and even beyond what we can generally conceive.
Christine

> From: David Bearrow 
> Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:59:01 -0500
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS> Indigo potential
> Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:57:24 -0700
>
> At 09:49 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:
>> Garnet,
>>
>> One situation I remember clearly was when I discussed eating - not needing
>> physical food but utilising the energies from the universe.  She 
smiled and

>> said 'Yes, but that did not mean that I would loose weight'.
>> I looked at her and asked ' Do you understood what I mean?" How's that for
>> old folk arrogance when talking to a 12 year old?
>> She said,' Mom, your on the right track but you need to continue to 
think it

>> through'.
>> I asked why she did not tell me.  She said she had no permission to talk
>> about it unless I got to that point.
>
> What you did was empower a 12 year old to feel superior. She was just
> playing mind games with you implying that a higher power did not authorize
> her to disclose "secret information". And you bit into it hook, line, and
> sinker.
>



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Re: CS> Indigo potential

[David Bearrow]

At 09:49 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:

Garnet,

One situation I remember clearly was when I discussed eating - not needing
physical food but utilising the energies from the universe.  She smiled and
said 'Yes, but that did not mean that I would loose weight'.
I looked at her and asked ' Do you understood what I mean?" How's that for
old folk arrogance when talking to a 12 year old?
She said,' Mom, your on the right track but you need to continue to think it
through'.
I asked why she did not tell me.  She said she had no permission to talk
about it unless I got to that point.


What you did was empower a 12 year old to feel superior. She was just 
playing mind games with you implying that a higher power did not authorize 
her to disclose "secret information". And you bit into it hook, line, and 
sinker. 



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Re: CS>

[David Bearrow]

At 09:43 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:
In a message dated 4/18/04 12:25:05 AM Central Daylight Time, 
essential-liv...@telus.net writes:




I had no idea of what an Indigo child was then - 1983.



And I still don't -- in 2004!   MA


Be glad you don't. Its more of that new age mumbo jumbo nonsense. 



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Re: CS>(ok mik),ring worm verses c/s

[David S Osborne]

oregano  ?
davido


On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 07:49:39 -0500 Garnet 
writes:
> Add a little DMSO, 20% or 1 part DMSO to 4 parts CS. The DMSO will 
> help
> the CS penetrate.
> 
> Also pure Tee Tree Oil kills it.
> 
> Garnet
> 
> On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 22:15, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> > Ring Worm is a fungus, so I would expect it to help.
> > 
> > Marshall
> > 
> > akajhon wrote:
> > 
> > > Does C/S work on ringworm ?
> > > Tanks,,
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Re: CS>Brownian Motion

[David S Osborne]

for those of us operating on a lower frequency; what is
EIS again?
I would submit AGion is well on the way around any argyria scare. Having
their product approved for use in the food handling industry is not
exactly
light-years from ingestion.

davido


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:49:37 +0900 "Jonathan B. Britten"
 writes:
> I second the motion.   EIS is a useful term and perhaps we should 
> promote it."CS" plays into the hands of the argyria 
> scaremongers.   
>   Let us make them use our terminology and then see what evidence 
> they 
> can produce.
> 
> 
> JBB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, Apr 13, 2004, at 19:10 Asia/Tokyo, Matthew McCann PE 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Stuff,
> >  
> > As far as the ionic fraction of EIS is concerned
> > (and that would seem to be most of it,) mutual
> > repulsion does homogenize the solution. So  the
> > answer to your question is Yes.
> >  
> > P.S. I'm really starting to like the distinctive
> > meaning of "EIS."  Jason deserves thanks for
> > coining it.
> >  
> > Matthew
> 


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CS>splenda??

[David S Osborne]

what do we think of splenda??
noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.


http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm

http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm


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Re: CS>Nano Silver?

[David Bearrow]

I quote from the site:

"Unlike the old colloidal silvers, this new Nano Silver

is as clear as water (instead of being brown);...

...the strength of Nano Silver is 2,000 parts per million."

This sounds like heavy exaggeration to me. 2000 ppm and still clear? Not 
possible as far as I know.


David Bearrow

At 03:48 AM 4/14/04, you wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone here had any comparative experiences with a
new product called "Nano Silver", I came across it at

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/maatshop/n2_main.htm

Anyone knows the company Advanced Nano Technologies
who seems to be the manufacturer of this product? I
cant find any relevant links through gooogle.

Any related comments or insights about the accuracy of
the contents of the information in the product
description would be most welcome, thanks.

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Re: CS>lung congestion

[David S Osborne]

thanks for the info on eucal.
davido

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:49:50 -0400  writes:
> 
> 
> The proof is in the pudding. I say the DMSO and MSM are also healing 
> the
> lungs..
> 
> Eucalyptus oil can also heal and rebuild lungs according to this -->
> http://www.inhalationproducts.com/oils/eucalyptusref.htm
> 
> �The whole breathing process is actually aided by eucalyptus, 
> because it
> both helps to regenerate lung tissue as well as acting as an 
> expectorant and
> decongestant.�
> 
> I use eucalyptus and the Harbor Freight nebulizer CS/DMSO/MSM method 
> with
> good results
> 
> One inch of Eucalyptus oil in empty beer bottle. Shake. Close one 
> nostril
> and inhale deeply through other.
> 
> 
> D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rob Combis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:34 PM
> Subject: CS>lung congestion
> 
> 
> > I have used CS in a nebulizer (along with MSM and a small amount 
> of DMSO)
> to treat asthma very successfully in my sister.  She had a healing 
> reaction
> for a few days, felt like bronchitis, but she continued and her 
> asthma
> symptoms were reduced by 80% or so.
> >
> > My questions is this.  My father is a carpenter who has inhaled 
> fumes, saw
> dust, sheet rock dust, etc...for almost 40 years.  Just recently he 
> has had
> trouble breathing and needs to wear a mask on the job site to get 
> through
> the day.  He has serious congestion in the lungs from these foreign
> substances that are affecting his lungs.  My initital thought would 
> be that
> CS wouldn't be able to help here because it is not bacteria/fungus 
> related,
> but I am not sure.  Could the foreign substances be allowing 
> bacteria/fungus
> to prosper thus causing the congestion.  Would CS help out here??
> >
> > Any advice would be much appreciated
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
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CS>Unidentified subject!

[David S Osborne]

This seems interesting to me, a bumbling lay-person.
A. It wonders me if this process might be going on in/with lots of
various manifesting conditions.
B. It wonders me if there may be a place for CS in the mix.
C. Well, there's probably at least a C but it eludes at the
moment.
davido

from ImmuneSupport.com
Tip of the Day for April 13, 2004 

The immune system may be compromised in FMS sufferers. Natural Killer
(NK) cells seek out and destroy foreign invaders in our bodies. When FMS
patients' NK cells were tested by I. Jon Russell, M.D., they were found
to be in normal amounts, but their activity was low. Researchers do not
know why this is so, but serotonin may influence the activity of these NK
cells. A high incidence of immune-reactive proteins have been found in
the skin of FMS patients. These are not normally seen in a healthy
person's skin. In other words, proteins are leaking through the blood
vessel walls and accumulating in surrounding tissues, which often occurs
in conditions that have an immunologic component. 

(Source: Taking Charge of Fibromyalgia, by Julie Kelly, M.S., R.N., and
Rosalie Devonshire, M.S.W.) 

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Re: CS>Silver in Powder Coat Paints

[David S Osborne]

thank you for the post Garnet

Notice the article leads to AgION inc. I put a post here a few weeks
[mos] back about their new application and model home in Calif where many
surfaces in the huge house are of stainless steel with silver
impregnated. They have also done things like coating stethascopes, other
food preparation surfaces and on and on. they have a website.
I think they may be the ones who sold 5mil prs socks to the military here
a while back.
I forget the name of the parent company.
They are gonna corner the market.
I'd bet they are the ones buyin up the silver.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:11:12 -0500 Garnet 
writes:
> Use of Silver in powder coat paint.
> 
> http://www.pfonline.com/articles/020401.html
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RE: CS>Any OZ members - help

[David Bearrow]

The plans for free.

http://www.i4at.org/surv/sstill.htm

David Bearrow

At 06:27 AM 4/9/04, you wrote:


Build a solar distiller, you can get plans on E Bay usually for
Less than $10.
Bob

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Subject: Re: CS>Any OZ members - help

  Sounds like you have a handy neighbor who can help.

 Rain and dew is distilled water.  Tends to pick up airborne crud, but it 
can work.


Ode

At 01:34 PM 4/9/2004 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Would you believe there are NO suppliers of Distilled water within a
>hundred miles of my home town?Caloundra on the Queensland Sunshine
>Coast - 100k North of Brisbane.
>
>I am looking at  importing from USA a  domestic steam distiller ($99)
>but
>incredibly they want $85 to send it!
>My neighbour says build one! But he used to be a moonshiner.  :-)
>
>I also do understand that home variety may not be as good as commercial
>-
>but looks like I might have no choice.
>
>Cheers,
>Himagain.
>

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CS>pyo in cats

[David S Osborne]

help:

Sister in Law has a Maine Coon Cattery

also has dog[s]  fish   sometimes birds, all in a fairly small home.

There are top grade show critters involved.

She has about 8 litter boxes.

The problem is "pyo".

She also has problems with conjunctivitis, colds, etc. but obviously the
pyo is 
the biggie.

We are not sure of how the virus is transmitted. 
Sexually?
Litter box?
common drinking vessel?
sneezing or air born?
other or all the above?

What to do to prevent??
Is there a place for CS here??

I would greatly appreciate feedback on this!!!
davido

Re: CS>Water Distilling Questions...

[David Bearrow]

At 10:49 PM 4/4/04, you wrote:

1. I bought a Hannah TSD 1 with the distiller, because that's what they
sold, and I wanted a way to gauge the quality of the DW I made with
the unit. In making CS, if I have a reading on the DW before, is the
difference in the reading after making the CS equivalent to the PPM in
the CS?


No, not with a TDS meter. I quote from Trem's site 
(http://www.silvergen.com/ppm.htm) since he put this so succinctly, "There 
are several companies selling other Hanna instruments they indicate will 
test colloidal silver but were really designed to measure TDS (total 
dissolved solids).  Colloidal silver is NOT a dissolved solid.  Most of the 
Hanna TDS instruments have ranges of 0-999 PPM or 0-1999 with 2% accuracy 
of full scale.   That means the unit can be off by as much as 20 or 40 PPM 
at the low OR high end of the range or at any reading.  If you are trying 
to measure colloidal silver at the 5-15 PPM range, it is obvious that a 20 
or 40 PPM possible error is not acceptable.  The PWT will not be off more 
than 2 PPM so you can see how much more accurate it is.


The PWT meter is the only one that works at the accuracy and range desired 
to measure CS.   It is a conductance type meter; not a TDS (total dissolved 
solids) meter."



2. I've noted that some use a PWT for this purpose... is one better or
worse than the other? What is the difference?


See answer above.



3. The initial two gallons of DW I've made (each with fresh batches of
water-- one filtered, one regular tap water) have not produced a 0ppm
DW, though the reading is better on the second (16 vs 06)-- which I
suppose could be due to perhaps 'flushing out' the unit. Is this usual?


One can never reach 0ppm not even in a laboratory. One can only approach 
it. The best I can get after reverse osmosis and distilling is a .7 
microsiemens on a PWT meter. Thats good enough for me. I would accept any 
reading below 2 microsiemens.




4. The sediment after running filtered water was soft and sludgy-- I
could wipe it out with a paper towel, but after I ran the plain tap water,
the sediment, though it appears the same in color, etc., is solid, and is
hard, like scale, and cannot be wiped from the bottom of the tank...
anyone know a reason for this?


Do not filter through an activated charcoal filter as it adds impurities. 
The hard scale is likely calcium carbonate also known as hard water 
deposit. Perfectly normal. If your water is too hard you will be unable to 
distill it down to acceptable CS making levels. My water was at 7 grains of 
hardness (I tested it for free at Sears) and I couldn't get it down past 7 
microsiemens even after distilling 3 times! I ended up putting in a water 
softener and reverse osmosis filter.




5. What is an acceptable reading for the finished DW? Is 0ppm
expecting too much? If so, what would be acceptable for CS
production?


See answer to question 3.



6. Would it perhaps improve the quality if I ran the DW through the
distiller again to reduce the impurities?


Yes. Though you will reach the point of diminishing returns.



7. (Last one... really.. ) After testing the water before and after
distilling, and seeing what's left behind in the distiller, I'm wondering if
it would be preferable to distill our drinking water? I was a kind of
grossed out at the gunk in the bottom of the distiller after making the
DW. I've always thought that the minerals in water were beneficial, but
in looking into buying a distiller, I've seen DW touted as the best and
only pure water, and as preferable for drinking. Any opinions on this?


I only drink distilled water. Though I have seen a huge range of opinions 
on this matter. There are some who claim that it leaches minerals from your 
body. I have seen no evidence proving this theory and so I discount it.



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CS>ABOUT THE MME AND MORE

[David S Osborne]

THANKS to Dan for passing the MME info. Herz some links for the
N.C. org.
davido

http://www.healing-arts.org/index2.htm

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/cp/cpmagnetic.htm  about MME

http://www.healing-arts.org/hclinks.htm  a rich collection of
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CS>from Mercola.... may be a rerun

[David S Osborne]

from Mercola
Natural medicine has come under attack as pharmaceutical company
lobbyists push lawmakers to deprive Americans of the benefits of dietary
supplements. Drug-front groups have implemented slanderous campaigns in
attempts to undermine the value of natural health lifestyles. 
These attacks to natural medicine prompted an independent review of
government-approved medicine, which revealed that conventional medicine
was the leading cause of death in the United States. This review of
government health statistics showed that in most cases, American medicine
does more harm than good. Compelling evidence from this study unveiled
astounding statistics on the 783,936 deaths per year that have resulted
from conventional medicine. 
The purpose of this article was to memorialize the failure of the
American medical system by exposing the horrifying statistics of the
inadequacies of today’s health care system with the goal of beginning
some meaningful reform. 
Highlights from the findings in the review: 
U.S. health care spending has reached $1.6 trillion in 2003, which
represents 14 percent of the nation’s gross national product. 
In a 1992 survey, a national pharmacy database found a total of 429,827
medication errors from 1,081 hospitals. 
In 1974, 2.4 million unnecessary surgeries were performed that resulted
in 11,900 deaths compared to the year 2001, where 7.5 million unnecessary
surgeries were performed resulting in 37,136 deaths. 
A 1998 study reported an estimated 106,000 deaths from prescription
medications per year. 
Nearly 9 million people were unnecessarily hospitalized in 2001. 
Here are additional reasons why the traditional paradigm is flawed: 
Studies have found that the 41 million Americans without health insurance
have an increased risk for dying prematurely and not receiving
appropriate medical care. 
20 percent of all causes of death occur in nursing homes. 
More than 30 percent of nursing homes in the United States were cited for
abuses, exceeding over 9,000 violations. 
A study of a 100-bed sub-acute care hospital revealed that only 8 percent
of the patients were well nourished, 29 percent were malnourished and 63
percent were at risk of malnutrition. 
Life Extension Institute March 2004 

-
---
Dr. Mercola's Comment: This definitive review of the conventional health
care system is a must-read because it describes in detail the failure of
the traditional paradigm and provides us with shocking statistics on the
thousands and thousands of deaths that resulted from unnecessary or
incorrect medical treatments. 
The only problem I have with this article is that the formatting is
really terrible and makes it difficult to follow. The Web site uses a
type of frame and you need to use the light blue bar on the immediate
right of the text to scroll down and reach the next page. However,
despite the formatting issue, I highly recommend reading this article. 
This article acts as yet another huge wake-up call by providing further
substantial evidence that the health care system is in desperate need of
drastic reform. Too many lives are being lost at the hands of
conventional medicine. 
The findings in this review also further reinforce my vision and passion,
which is to transform the medicine and surgery-bombarded medical paradigm
to one that focuses on treatment and prevention of the underlying causes.

I view this review as a very positive step toward fulfilling my vision
because it specifically outlines the blatant mistakes and failures of the
traditional system. 
The statistics from this review gives people even more reasons to explore
alternative and less evasive approaches to health care--such as educating
yourself with the information in my Total Health Program--to find out
what is truly going on.
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CS>Unidentified subject!

[David S Osborne]

for folks wanting to wash out, clean up the sinusz, see about the
Alkalol Nasal Douche Cup.  May be avail at a pharmacy near you. Is avail
"here" from Medichest. One of those things y'll wonder how y'ever got
along without.
An alternative is to move to Virginia Beach,  The Beach PROMISES to have
completely solved the "hayfevr",allergy,snooter problem!!!  ..it's
because the particulate will be tooo big to fit in your nose!!

davido

Your Price $3.79 
Item Number: K794008 
Package Details The Alkalol Nasal Douche Cup is specially designed with a
vertical nozzle to operate while your head is tilted slightly forward and
sideways. This position helps eliminate involving the middle ear.
Flushing the nasal tract with Alkalol Liquid using the Alkalol Nasal
Douche Cup can help alleviate head colds or chronic nasal conditions.
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CS>

[David S Osborne]

The Castor Oil Detox Program from Dr. David Williams 3/29 newzltr.
We have talked about COP's before, and a lot about detox:
davido

Dear Reader, 

I often remember my dad telling me that when he was growing up, his
mother was devoted to castor oil. At the first sign of illness in one
child, she would immediately give all the children a quick oral dose of
the stuff. There's no doubt it provided a rapid solution for
constipation, and it must have had a positive effect on my dad's memory
too, because he could vividly describe the taste and effect of the castor
oil many years later. 

Castor oil is a unique substance with an ancient history. Folk healers
the world over have used it to treat a wide variety of conditions. Castor
oil's effectiveness is probably due in part to its unusual chemical
composition—a triglyceride of fatty acids with almost 90 percent of that
fatty acid content consisting of ricinoleic acid. To my knowledge,
ricinoleic acid is not found in any other substance, and the high
concentration of this unusual, unsaturated fatty acid is thought to be
responsible for castor oil's remarkable healing abilities. 

Ricinoleic acid is effective in preventing the growth of numerous species
of viruses, bacteria, yeasts, and molds. (J Am Oil Chem Soc
61;37:323-325) It's successful as a topical treatment for ringworm,
keratoses, skin inflammation, abrasions, fungal-infected finger- and
toenails, acne, and chronic pruritus (itching). Generally, for these
conditions the affected area is wrapped each night in a castor oil-soaked
cloth. For persistent infections, a 10- to 20-minute pre-soak in Epsom
salts will generally speed healing. 

Set Your "Cytes" High 


While I find internal and topical uses of castor oil helpful, the most
beneficial use is in the form of castor oil packs. When used properly,
castor oil packs improve the function of the thymus gland and other areas
of the immune system. Two separate studies found that patients using
abdominal castor oil packs had significant increases in the production of
lymphocytes compared to those using placebo packs. 

Lymphocytes are the disease-fighting cells produced by your immune system
and housed mainly in lymphatic tissue—including the thymus gland, spleen,
and lymph nodes, as well as the lymphatic tissue that lines the small
intestine (called Peyer's patches). 

Several problems occur when lymph drainage slows and fluid accumulates
around cells. First, the individual cells are forced further and further
away from the capillaries. Next, the amount of oxygen and nourishment the
cells receive is decreased and, under exertion or stress, some cells may
die. Additionally, the cells are forced to try to survive in their own
waste and toxic byproducts, which can eventually lead to the degeneration
and destruction of organs. For example, poor lymphatic drainage of the
heart can lead to tissue damage and even heart failure. Similar problems
can occur in the liver, kidneys, and other organs. 

When castor oil is absorbed through the skin from packs, several
extraordinary events take place. The lymphocyte count of the blood
increases as a result of the oil's positive influence on the thymus
gland, lymphatic tissue, or both. The flow of lymph increases throughout
the body, speeding up the removal of toxins surrounding the cells and
reducing the size of swollen lymph nodes. The end result is a general
overall improvement in organ function with a lessening of fatigue and
depression. 

Additionally, as toxicity is reduced, the pH of the saliva becomes less
acidic, signaling improved health, and the Peyer's patches in the small
intestines more efficiently absorb fatty acids, which are essential for
the formation of hormones and other components necessary for growth and
repair. 

The Right Way to Do It 


Castor oil packs are an economical and efficient method of absorbing
ricinoleic acid and other healing components of castor oil directly into
body tissues. To make a castor oil pack you will need: cold-pressed
castor oil, a standard heating pad, a plastic garbage bag, two or three
1-foot square pieces of wool or cotton flannel, and a large bath towel. 

Start by placing the heating pad on a flat surface and turning the heat
to high. Lay the plastic garbage bag on top of the heating pad to protect
the pad. Saturate the flannel pieces with castor oil (about 1/2 cup) and
lay them on top of the garbage bag and heating pad. The entire pack can
now be placed against the body with the oil-soaked flannel against the
skin. For general conditions, the pack should be placed on the abdomen.
(For lower back problems place the pack on the site of the problem.) To
help hold the pack in place and prevent oil from getting on bedding, wrap
the pack and body in a large bath towel. Keep the pack in place for at
least one hour with the heating pad set at the highest temperature
tolerable to the patient. When you remove the pack, 

CS>can i post this??

[David S Osborne]

How true this is 



A car company can move its factories to Mexico and claim it's a free
market. 

A toy company can outsource to a Chinese subcontractor and claim it's a 
free market. 

A major bank can incorporate in Bermuda to avoid taxes and claim it's a
free market. 

We can buy HP Printers made in Mexico. We can buy shirts made in
Bangladesh We can purchase almost anything we want from many different
countries 

BUT, heaven help the elderly who dare to buy their prescription drugs
from a Canadian (Or Mexico) pharmacy That's called un-American! And you
think the pharmaceutical companies don't have a powerful lobby? Think
again! 

(Please forward this to every person you know over age 50) I don't really
expect anyone to forward this. But it is an interesting point of view. 

Maybe this is an issue that should come up in the next election! 

Forget the 50, send it to everyone. We're all in this boat together.

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Re: CS>A Question....

[David Bearrow]

What does this paranoid delusion have to do with silver?

At 08:53 PM 3/28/04, you wrote:


Stop reading for a minute.
Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think.
Remember.
See if you can answer yes to this question:

Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this 
entire war?


I didn't think so.

This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the 
whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. 
The dead and wounded are being completely

hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end.
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CS>ataxia

[David S Osborne]

.anyone have suggestions ref a 12yearold girl with
ataxia??
Mom's in jail, bad checks/drugger
Grandma's tryin to figgure out what to do. 
The conventional medicos are trying to figure out the
nature of the ataxia the cause, i guess
davido


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Re: CS>web pages

[David Bearrow]

Perhaps the harmaceutical companies skewed the data forcing the FDA to 
determine it was harmful.


At 05:17 AM 3/22/04, you wrote:
Something to ponder:   on the dmso web site linked below,  Dr. Stanley 
Jacobs wrote:


In 1965, when the FDA halted evaluation of DMSO in 
the

United States, they had data in their files on more
than 100,000 patients submitted by approximately 
1,500
physicians in our country showing safety and 
effectiveness.
The pharmaceutical companies submitting the 
aforementioned
data were Merck, Syntex, and Squibb. This occurred 
in

1965.

To me it is interesting that we can not say, in this case,  that "the big 
pharmaceuticals"  were the sole agents for stopping approval of DMSO for 
most approved medical uses.IAW, the whole mess is a lot more 
complicated than some might suggest.


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Re: CS>Pilonidal cyst

[David S Osborne]

someone 'here' suggested a laser pointer for skin stuff and I have
successfully worked on several. I have used two pointers:  an under $10
one from Arnold and a $1 novelty one I got somewhere   both have
worked very well for me. Just point and 'cook'. 
davido

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:12:42 -0800 (PST) "Sandy . Green"
 writes:
My 28 year old daughter has a recurrent pilonidal cyst.  Sometimes it
stays beneath the surface and often times, it oozes.  It has been
suggested that she have the surgery to clean it out.  It's a nasty little
operation which I do not encourage her to have.  It is also my
understanding that it comes back. 

I'd like to know if anyone has suggestions on how to deal with this. 
'would DMSO together with CS be workable on this?

Sandy 
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Re: CS>Detecting Silver In The Blood

[David Bearrow]

Mr. Key,
 
It may be you have stumbled upon the very method whereby EIS ions are 
transported in the human body. Carried by the chloride in the blood.
 
Certainly we have a large body of evidence (the testimony of thousands of 
users) that home made EIS is effective against many bacteria in the body.
 
Has anyone tested silver chloride efficacy against bacteria in vitro (such as 
the petri dish experiments performed by the researchers at BYU) and compared 
the results with in vitro testing of silver ions and compared with in vitro 
testing of silver particles?
 
David Bearrow
Dallas, TX, USA

Frank Key  wrote:
There is no metal ion that has an attraction to chloride as strong as silver
and chloride is the most prevalent anion in the human body. Blood serum
typically consists of 3300 to 3900 ppm of chloride. The attraction of all
other metal ions to chloride is weak by comparison to silver.

CS>BREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[David S Osborne]

Hear Ye CS'ers


It'll make you ill, but there's a pretty good summary of the FDA antics,
the drug co's, the lobbyists and congress hearings etc etc; in the
current issue of the Life Extension Magazine. Immagine there's a bunch on
their web-site too.

Anybody see some of the crap presented in the senate hearings and there
was a forum/panel presented on C-span this past week, about the fear
campaign's being waged ref drug imports...   just all sickening.


Some good news ref CS.Don't know if it's available on line, but try
to get hold of a copy of Popular Mechanics, April 04, page 78, titled  
"Smart Threads".
Don't want to tantalize those who cant get hold of the mag.  There were
two web addresses given:www.marmot.comand  www.hotchillys.com   I
havn't looked at either.


the genie out of the bottle???gosh, I hope so!!!

davido


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Re: CS>IT COULDN'T BE DONE?

[David S Osborne]

..so maybe he's "hopelessly" [undiagnosed] right-brained. Such people
have been imprisoned on the dunce-chair since the dark ages.

The akofmind folk have a saying something like:  no such thing as an
uneducable mind.
I'll be honest with you and express my wonder if anyone is as good at the
techniques that are involved as the originator of the process.. sure
hope so [cant think of his name- he has a book out, been on TV, etc etc]
davido


On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:12:16 -0600 Jim  writes:
> Hi David:
> 
> No way to get him to NC, although we did live in coastal Carolina 
> for 10 
> years.  I'll do a web search on this.  His problem is an extremely 
> short 
> memory unless it has to do with NASCAR and music.  He'll remember 
> words 
> to a song, but won't remember your name if I introduce you to him.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 
> David S Osborne wrote:
> 
> >any chance of getting him to the All Kinds of Minds folks?? 
> 
> >...believe they are in North Carolina [do a Google] but are 
> training
> >people all over.
> >davido
> >
> >On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:40:26 -0600 Jim  
> writes:
> >  
> >
> >>Tell me more about your method for teaching anyone to read, I have 
> a 
> >>16 
> >>year old grandson with an IQ of 48 that's been going to school 
> since 
> >>he 
> >>was 2 1/2 that can only read simple words, such as the, me, my 
> boy.  
> >> 
> >>Please help.
> >>
> >>As this isn't the place for this discussion, email me directly.
> >>
> >>Jim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sad to say to Mr. Guest, that even after one pitches in and 
> proves 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>that the "impossible" can be done, the majority of people will 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>watch, 
> >>
> >>
> >>>and still walk away unconvinced.  Twelve frustrating years of 
> >>>demonstrating that an unusual method I stumbled on and then went 
> 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>on 
> >>
> >>
> >>>and developed could teach virtually any child to read, while 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>watching 
> >>
> >>
> >>>the doubters refuse to try anything except what they are already 
> 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>using 
> >>
> >>
> >>>without acceptable results, has just about proved for me that 
> even 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>"showing" the guy from Missouri is not likely to gain his 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>credence.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>IT COULDN'T BE DONE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Somebody said that it couldn't be done,
> >>>>>>>But he with a chuckle replied
> >>>>>>>That maybe it couldn't, but he would be one
> >>>>>>>Who wouldn't say so till he'd tried.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>So he buckled right in
> >>>>>>>with the trace of a grin
> >>>>>>>on his face. If he worried he hid it.
> >>>>>>>He started to sing as he tackled the thing
> >>>>>>>That couldn't be done, and he did it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Somebody scoffed: Oh, you'll never do that;
> >>>>>>>At least no one ever has done it;
> >>>>>>>But he took off his coat and he took off his hat,
> >>>>>>>And the first thing we knew he'd begun it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
> >>>>>>>Without any doubting or quiddit,
> >>>>>>>He started to sing as he tackled the thing
> >>>>>>>That couldn't be done, and he did it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done,
> >>>>>>>There are thousands to point out to you, one by one,
> >>>>>>>The dangers that wait to assail you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>But just buckle in with  a bit of a grin,
> >>>>>>>Just take off your coat and go to it;
> >>>>>>>Just start to sing as 

Re: CS>IT COULDN'T BE DONE?

[David S Osborne]

any chance of getting him to the All Kinds of Minds folks?? 
...believe they are in North Carolina [do a Google] but are training
people all over.
davido

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:40:26 -0600 Jim  writes:
> Tell me more about your method for teaching anyone to read, I have a 
> 16 
> year old grandson with an IQ of 48 that's been going to school since 
> he 
> was 2 1/2 that can only read simple words, such as the, me, my boy.  
>  
> Please help.
> 
> As this isn't the place for this discussion, email me directly.
> 
> Jim
> 
> >
> >
> > Sad to say to Mr. Guest, that even after one pitches in and proves 
> 
> > that the "impossible" can be done, the majority of people will 
> watch, 
> > and still walk away unconvinced.  Twelve frustrating years of 
> > demonstrating that an unusual method I stumbled on and then went 
> on 
> > and developed could teach virtually any child to read, while 
> watching 
> > the doubters refuse to try anything except what they are already 
> using 
> > without acceptable results, has just about proved for me that even 
> 
> > "showing" the guy from Missouri is not likely to gain his 
> credence.
> >
> > 
> >  IT COULDN'T BE DONE
> > 
> >  Somebody said that it couldn't be done,
> >  But he with a chuckle replied
> >  That maybe it couldn't, but he would be one
> >  Who wouldn't say so till he'd tried.
> > 
> >  So he buckled right in
> >  with the trace of a grin
> >  on his face. If he worried he hid it.
> >  He started to sing as he tackled the thing
> >  That couldn't be done, and he did it.
> > 
> >  Somebody scoffed: Oh, you'll never do that;
> >  At least no one ever has done it;
> >  But he took off his coat and he took off his hat,
> >  And the first thing we knew he'd begun it.
> > 
> >  With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
> >  Without any doubting or quiddit,
> >  He started to sing as he tackled the thing
> >  That couldn't be done, and he did it.
> > 
> >  There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done,
> >  There are thousands to point out to you, one by one,
> >  The dangers that wait to assail you.
> > 
> >  But just buckle in with  a bit of a grin,
> >  Just take off your coat and go to it;
> >  Just start to sing as you tackle the thing
> >  That cannot be done, and you'll do it.
> > 
> >  Edgar Guest
> > 
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Re: CS>It can be done -- but only in conditioned spaces!

[David S Osborne]

.The glass-bowl idea below comes from a cute story [adapted
here]:

.The other day i overheard my goldfish talking to each other and
the one said:
"..of course there is a god:
who do you think changes the water??"

davido


On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:40:20 -0700 "James Holmes" 
writes:
> It is like trying to explain "glass bowl" to a goldfish. 
> 
> JOH
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:29 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>It can be done -- but only in conditioned spaces!
> 
> 
> It is more than that.  We are for the most part restricted to 
> information
> flow from our senses, and our senses are optimized for survival in 
> the
> physical world, not for figuring out how the universe works.
> 
> There are a few analogies that can help, a flightless bug on an 
> apple sees
> his little world as 2 dimensional, where if it walks long enough in 
> one
> direction it come back to where it started.  The ability to take a 
> short cut
> by going through the apple would not be apparent to the bug.
> 
> Same thing applies to a fish, that has no concept of what is outside 
> of his
> water, where the water comes from in the rivers, or where it goes 
> when it
> evaporates.
> 
> But I think the best analogy is in the movie "The Matrix".  None of 
> the
> people who are in a computer generated holographic universe are 
> aware of, or
> can even conceive of the "machine" which is doing it all.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Stuff wrote:
> 
> > "The theory of objectivism states that what truly
> > goes on in the world is beyond our understanding
> > because it's all about how we perceive the world,
> > which isn't always accurate and is often way off
> > the mark."  --Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982)
> >
> > I don't believe Rand said that but I still believe it's true.
> >
> > We just don't have the genes or whatever to be objective except on 
> 
> > rare occasions.
> >
> > That's the way I see it.
> >
> > Stuff
> >
> > At 12:05 PM 3/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Yes, Cleve Backster proved this back in the late 60's.  Thoughts 
> can 
> > >influence experiments significantly.  Also what is believed by 
> the 
> > >majority of people to a large extent forms the reality of what is 
> > >possible.
> > >
> > >I think the buckyball thing is very telling.  (I am talking about 
> the 
> > >buckminister fullerines).  They had never been seen, and a 
> chemist 
> > >published that they should be one of the most stable forms of 
> carbon.  
> > >But much searching turned up nothing.  After many chemists and 
> many 
> > >experiments, they finally produced a little of it via a vapor 
> > >deposition method in a vacuum at high tempartures.  Well funny 
> thing 
> > >is that after publishing these results, then all the chemists 
> > >suddenly believed that this rare form of carbon existed, it 
> suddenly 
> > >started showing up everywhere.  Plain old soot contains lots of 
> it, 
> > >but before the chemists believed it existed, soot always tested 
> > >negative for it.
> > >
> > >It is as if nature completely overlooked this molecule as 
> possible, 
> > >and once it realized it should be in the mix for soot, started 
> making 
> > >it. But it is even weirder than that, old soot, which initially 
> > >contained none of it, started having it as well once the chemists 
> all 
> > >believed it should be there.
> > >
> > >Reality can really be weird sometimes.
> > >
> > >Marshall
> > >
> > >"Jonathan B. Britten" wrote:
> > >
> > > > List,
> > > >
> > > > Someone posted links to a group that promotes a method of 
> emotional
> > > > therapy.   Dr. Tiller of Stanford was a speaker at one of 
> their
> > > > seminars,  and he is well known for scientific research on the 
> 
> > > > influence of intention on physical reality.
> > > >
> > > > In making colloids and such,  it seems to be true that the 
> intention
> of
> > > > the researcher can, literally, have influence on the result.   
> Tiller
> > > > claims that even things such as pH and temperature undergo 
> > > > demonstrable, repeatable, changes based on the influence of 
> > > > trained persons.
> > > >
> > > > Some will say this is nonsense,  but Tiller argues that some 
> > > > experiments "disproven" by independent experts are actually 
> not 
> > > > due to incompetence or fraud, but rather due to physical 
> > > > influences of the places in which they were originally 
> conducted.
> > > >
> > > > Tiller has a new book on this;  check amazon.com.
> > > >
> > > > JBB
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, Mar 15, 2004, at 14:12 Asia/Tokyo, Christine 
> Carleton 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Marv,
> > > > >
> > > > > Good line.
> > > > >
> > > > > Like the young boy who saw frogs grow their legs back.  When 
> he 
> > > > > had an accident and lost his leg, he knew no better (under 
> five 
> > > > > years old and had not gone to school) and he

Re: CS>Re: OT> It Couldn't Be Done

[David S Osborne]

...how about:

"The person who says it cannot be done.
should not interrupt the person who is doing it!!!"

.don't know the author.davido


On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:42:30 -0600 "Marv Hacker" 
writes:
> Thank you!
> 
> I also like:  "The one who accomplished it is the one who failed 
> to
> realize that he could not do it."
> 
> Best regards,
>   :) Marv
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jim"
> 
> IT COULDN'T BE DONE
> 
> Somebody said that it couldn't be done,
> But he with a chuckle replied
> That maybe it couldn't, but he would be one
> Who wouldn't say so till he'd tried.
> 
> So he buckled right in
> with the trace of a grin
> on his face. If he worried he hid it.
> He started to sing as he tackled the thing
> That couldn't be done, and he did it.
> 
> Somebody scoffed: Oh, you'll never do that;
> At least no one ever has done it;
> But he took off his coat and he took off his hat,
> And the first thing we knew he'd begun it.
> 
> With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
> Without any doubting or quiddit,
> He started to sing as he tackled the thing
> That couldn't be done, and he did it.
> 
> There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done,
> There are thousands to point out to you, one by one,
> The dangers that wait to assail you.
> 
> But just buckle in with  a bit of a grin,
> Just take off your coat and go to it;
> Just start to sing as you tackle the thing
> That cannot be done, and you'll do it.
> 
> Edgar Guest
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Re: OT> It Couldn't Be Done

[David Bearrow]

At 11:12 PM 3/14/04, you wrote:

Like the young boy who saw frogs grow their legs back.  When he had an
accident and lost his leg, he knew no better (under five years old and had
not gone to school) and he grew his leg back.


#1 Frogs don't grow their legs back. Thats why Dr. Robert Becker 
experimented with them. He was trying to get them to regrow legs. (Newts do 
regrow their legs and he worked with them too)


#2 There has not been a single human being who has regrown their leg.

Dave Bearrow


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Re: CS>

[David S Osborne]

note the link on down 'there'   it should read:

www.earthpulse.net  and not have the numeral  1  in it.

If anyone is interested in the Edgar Cayce Wet Cell appliance, check at
Meridian Institute

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:07:40 -0600 "Dan Nave"
 writes:
> Excerpts from "Alternatives" newsletter Volume 10, No. 9, March 2004 
> put
> out by Dr. David G. Williams.  
> 
> The Find of a Century...or Two
> 
> When things finally do come together, however, the results can
> overshadow years of frustration. That's exactly what happened 
> recently.
> After years of constant digging, I'm about to share with you what 
> may be
> one of the most powerful healing therapies I have uncovered during 
> the
> 18 years I've been writing Alternatives. I don't want to sound
> grandiose, but I feel this therapy may be one of the greatest
> discoveries in the history of medicine. Like most of the treatments 
> or
> cures I cover in Alternatives, the basis of my understanding and
> appreciation start-ed forming years ago.
> 
> Almost 22 years ago, I first heard about a device called a wet cell
> appliance. It was first described by the healing psychic Edgar 
> Cayce.
> Basically, it con-sists of a homemade chemical battery that 
> report-edly
> can be used to treat Parkinson's and other neu-rological diseases.
> Electrodes from the battery are placed at specific sites on the 
> body,
> and a very weak current (25 to 35 millivolts) passes through the 
> body.
> Before entering the body the current passes through a jar that 
> contains
> gold, silver, or camphor salt solutions, which are supposed to 
> impart
> the "vibratory frequencies" of these substances into the nervous 
> system,
> immune system, or both.
> 
> Some individuals have reported improve-ments after using wet cells, 
> but
> the results have been very inconsistent. I've utilized wet cells in 
> the
> past with very little success. Not surprisingly, there has been 
> little
> credible research on wet cell therapy. The one study I'm aware of 
> showed
> it produced only minimal results. (Subtle Energies & Energy 
> Medicine
> 02;11(2):151-166)
> 
> Knowing there are very few successful treat-ments for neurological
> problems such as Parkinson's, I continued to search for a therapy 
> that
> could possibly build on the very limited suc-cess of the wet cell. 
> About
> ten years ago, I heard about the work of a Dr. Reuven Sandyk. Dr. 
> Sandyk
> had begun to publish work involving the use of low-level 
> electromagnetic
> treatment for Parkinson's. I spent time studying Dr. Sandyk's 
> research
> and found it fascinating, to say the least. It differed from the 
> wet
> cell therapy in that it uti-lized pulsed rather than continuous 
> current,
> and instead of direct electrical current, it was electro-magnetic, 
> which
> is to say it generated electrical fields in the body. Dr. Sandyk 
> had
> shown that by using electromagnetic therapy to treat Parkinson's
> patients, he could reduce the amount of medication they required 
> and
> improve their gait, ability to speak, and sense of smell. (Int J
> Neurosci 93;69(1-4):167-83)
> 
> I immediately contacted Dr. Sandyk to discuss his work, and he 
> seemed
> surprised I was interest-ed, hut he was very open and helpful. I 
> then
> spoke with him on several subsequent occasions. For some reason, 
> that
> access came to an abrupt halt, and he referred me to his attorney,
> refusing to dis-cuss his work with me any further. I never learned 
> why.
> I suspect he realized that I was looking for a way the therapy could 
> be
> used immediately to help suffering Alternatives readers, and he was
> afraid any publicity might put him in jeopardy with the Food and 
> Drug
> Administration (FDA) or other regulatory authorities.
> 
> I'm still not sure what happened, but it was a big disappointment.
> After all, it certainly appeared to be a very simple, effective 
> therapy.
> Very weak magnetic fields were being applied to the head, w