Re: CS>Thyroid Nodules

[polo]

Hard to say. For sure you need to check out the list of practitioners that are 
registered for oxidation medicine:

http://nebula.wsimg.com/2403a3dfc1153e80d32ee1deb97e0397?AccessKeyId=573E12B1E5C6F40ACA00&disposition=0&alloworigin=1


doug




On Aug 21, 2015, at 6:03 AM, RaVen wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> Where does one find IV-Ozone expert locally?
> I'm very interested in trying this out if it'll help treat the Hashimoto's 
> disease I'm suffering from. 
> 
> RaVen
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Thyroid Nodules

[polo]

The mentioned common name, "kissing disease" has been used in the USA to denote 
mononucleosis.  The hashimoto's patient I am working with had a very severe 
case of mono when she was in college. 

doug




On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Neville wrote:

> 
> Being a layman, excuse me for interrupting here, but the following [bolded] 
> caught my attention...
> 
> There are some terminologies which may differ dependant on which country one 
> resides in.  Could you tell me if what you all are discussing is anything to 
> do with, or related to in any way, what is termed in Australia as "Glandular 
> Fever" or "Kissing Disease"?
> 
> I'll explain if the above is relevant.
> 
> Thank You
> 
> N.
> 
> 
> From: dah...@centurytel.net
> Subject: Re: CS>Thyroid Nodules
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:51:37 -0500
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> I have been working with a hashimoto patient  and I might add a new 
> perspective to this discussion, particularly since this is a silver list, 
> interested in CS fighting infections:
> 
> 
> 
> My suspicions that thyroiditis was caused by an infection seems to be backed 
> up by many online excerpts:
> 
> "In my clinical experience working with many Hashimoto’s patients I have 
> found that the most common underlying cause of Hashimoto’s disease is a 
> chronic stealth infection that has been overlooked by both conventional and 
> alternative practitioners. One of the most common infection connections with 
> Hashimoto’s disease is the Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV). EBV is actually a herpes 
> virus that most people contract when they are young causing mononucleosis aka 
> “The Kissing Disease” which results in swollen lymph nodes and fatigue. 
> Normally, your body fights it off and your immune system controls it for life 
> just like chicken pox for example. However, people with Hashimoto’s disease 
> have been shown to have a genetic deficiency in the immune cells (CD8+) that 
> control this virus. The virus then reactivates inside the thyroid gland 
> inducing autoimmunity via molecular mimicry. As long as the EBV is active, 
> the autoimmunity will persist.  I find a significant number of patients with 
> Hashimoto’s disease have reactivated EBV which is identified through a simple 
> blood test. I use the activity of the EBV as a guide to balancing the immune 
> system and reducing the attack on the thyroid gland."
> 
> 
> 
> doug

Re: CS>Thyroid Nodules

[polo]

And this personal account of LDN:

http://aliciahadden.blogspot.com/2013/10/my-journey-with-ldn-low-dose-naltrexone.html

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Re: CS>Thyroid Nodules

[polo]

Apparently LDN is being used:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ldn/

http://www.thyroidpharmacist.com/blog/-low-dose-naltrexone-and-hashimotos


http://recoveringwitht3.com/blog/could-low-dose-naltrexone-ldn-be-silver-bullet-hashimotos-thyroiditis-patients

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Re: CS>Thyroid Nodules

[polo]

I agree, LDN might be very useful. 

doug



On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Patricia wrote:

> If indeed infection based .. I wonder if the combo of CS and LDN would be 
> helpful.
> 

Re: CS>Thyroid Nodules

[polo]

Exactly!  A stealth infection is the only thing that makes sense to me on what 
is going on here and may offer some hope of a better treatment/cure program.  
Personally, I would find it an interesting experiment to see if a CS and DMSO 
paint around the thyroid region would help out symptoms any?  Though there may 
be more efficient forms of combating a EBV infection such as electrical 
stimulation, etc. ??

doug


On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Lola Harris wrote:

> Doug.. fascinating information.  An underlying active infection would also 
> have the body in a constant
> state of inflammation too?  Main stream medicine offers little in the way of 
> real cures for EB (or hashis
> for that matter).  Wouldn't it be something if the 'cure' is as easy as 
> using/taking CS and ozone therapy.
> Lola
> 

Re: CS>Thyroid Nodules

[polo]

I have been working with a hashimoto patient  and I might add a new perspective 
to this discussion, particularly since this is a silver list, interested in CS 
fighting infections:



My suspicions that thyroiditis was caused by an infection seems to be backed up 
by many online excerpts:

"In my clinical experience working with many Hashimoto’s patients I have found 
that the most common underlying cause of Hashimoto’s disease is a chronic 
stealth infection that has been overlooked by both conventional and alternative 
practitioners. One of the most common infection connections with Hashimoto’s 
disease is the Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV). EBV is actually a herpes virus that 
most people contract when they are young causing mononucleosis aka “The Kissing 
Disease” which results in swollen lymph nodes and fatigue. Normally, your body 
fights it off and your immune system controls it for life just like chicken pox 
for example. However, people with Hashimoto’s disease have been shown to have a 
genetic deficiency in the immune cells (CD8+) that control this virus. The 
virus then reactivates inside the thyroid gland inducing autoimmunity via 
molecular mimicry. As long as the EBV is active, the autoimmunity will persist. 
 I find a significant number of patients with Hashimoto’s disease have 
reactivated EBV which is identified through a simple blood test. I use the 
activity of the EBV as a guide to balancing the immune system and reducing the 
attack on the thyroid gland."

from:

http://hypothyroidmom.com/hashimotos-disease-the-infection-connection/



http://www.thyroidpharmacist.com/blog/infections-and-hashimotos


If hashimoto is indeed an inefection based malady, consider:

http://www.secondnaturecare.com/blog/an-unexpected-bonus-ozone-therapy-second-nature-care


"One of the most common causes for decreased resting oxygen utilization is low 
thyroid function. When you treat low oxygen utilization with I.V. ozone therapy 
you improve thyroid function. Everyone with a thyroid condition should be 
getting I.V. ozone therapy. When your thyroid is working well you feel happier. 
 

After one I.V. ozone with ozone inhalation treatment for a raging Epstein-Barr 
infection last Saturday the patient called me on Sunday to report that she is 
98% better. I told her that she needed to continue treatment and we'll recheck 
her chronic active infection titers after 10 treatments.  I don't just want to 
roll her disease back; I want to erradicate it."



doug

Re: CS>CS in nebulizer

[polo]

A little DMSO in it doesnt hurt either. Helps penetrate lung biofilm 
infections. 

doug




On Aug 13, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Diane Mackey wrote:

> I use 10PPM in a nebulizer for myself.  Works great.  I actually use a 
> personal ultrasonic humidifier as my nebulizer, so it is pretty wet, but 
> still a fine mist.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Isa M  wrote:
> Hi is anybody have used CS in nebulizer? Which dilution?
> To use for my cat with FHV and bronchitis.
> Thank you!.
> 

Re: CS>Cancer being a virus

[polo]

Besides that, thoughts create emotions and emotions can effect the efficiency 
of the immune system which in turn affects how it can protect us against 
pathogens.  

doug



On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

> Can you tell me why babies, dog, cat's, horses get cancer? A baby can't think 
> negative can it?
> 
> 
> On Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:26 PM, Sandra George  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have read that they are thinking that cancer can be caused from a virus - I 
> could debate this fact by bringing the human emotions and lack of use of the 
> mind control as factors into this debate If one is inclined to use or 
> learn
> how to control the mind, then one is supposed to be able to avert anything 
> that is of negative value and exactly what is this in real terms ?I leave 
> you all to deliberate . . .  . .  . . . . 
> Sandee🐬
> Attitude is everything !!!
> Sandra George
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> 
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RE: CS>EBOLA - warning on Vit C

[polo]

I guess using that logic, then scurvy could not be treated with Vitamin C as
scurvy has significant hemorrhagic issues with capillary destruction.  Eh?
Be careful what you read. 

 

doug

 

From: Melly Bag [mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 9:54 AM
To: crock_lakhov...@yahoogroups.com; Silver-list
Subject: CS>EBOLA - warning on Vit C

 

Here is a part of a post from another yahoogroup.  I did not print the
source as i do not have permission from him.  I put it here as a precaution
to the Ebola remedy i posted the other day.

 

Melly
=

"To help clarify, there is a misunderstanding regarding "Vitamin C" and
treating hemorrhagic issues.  

Microbleeds in the brain should not be treated with ascorbic acid or similar
Vitamin C derivatives.  Not only does it "NOT" strengthen capillaries and
veins but may in fact weaken them through depleting copper.  Copper helps to
strengthen capillaries and veins.  

The Vitamin C bioflavanoid Rutin is what strengthens the capillaries and
veins preventing hemorrhages and microbleeds.  One will get small amounts of
rutin when eating "foods" that contain Vitamin C however.

This is a very important distinction as one would not want to take large
doses of ascorbic acid or similar thinking one will prevent a hemorrhage or
microbleeds. " 

 

RE: CS>Vaccinated children are get 500% more diseases than unvaccinated children

[polo]

I don’t think so, dear Olushola!

 

Herbal medicine has had a far longer and ancient heritage than any other form 
of medical treatment. It goes way back to the stone age. Do a little more 
research. Homeopathy is relatively new in the general scheme of things and is 
still less popular today than herbal remedies. 

 

doug

 

From: olushola camara [mailto:camaramah...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:20 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccinated children are get 500% more diseases than 
unvaccinated children

 

Well prior to the take over of the medical schools by Rockefeller, who pushed 
allopathy, ALL MEDICAL TREATMENT was homeopathy.

Olushola

Re: CS>Stem Cell

[polo]

"Silver Helps Regrow Tissues in Hundreds of Patients - Destroyed Cells 
Regenerate With Silver-Based Procedure" 

by Samuel Etris 
Senior Technical Consultant to The Silver Institute



http://www.rexresearch.com/becker/becker1.htm

Re: CS>Re: Polio

[polo]

  Dr. Klenner presented over 20 papers outlining his life's work with Vitamin 
C. In 1949, he cured 60 out of 60 polio cases. It was probably Claus Washington 
Jungeblut, M.D. that first give Klenner the idea to employ Vitamin C for polio 
though he may deny it. Jungeblut published in 1935, his idea that ascorbic 
acid, Vitamin C, could inactivate bacterial and viral pathogens along with 
their toxins. Some of his earliest work was with bacterial toxins, such as 
tetanus, diphtheria, and staph toxins which he found could be inactivated by 
Vitamin C along with the polio, hepatitis and herpes viruses. Irwine Stone, the 
biochemist writes: "Within two years after the discovery of ascorbic acid, 
Jungeblut showed that ascorbic acid would inactivate the virus of 
poliomyelitis. This was followed, in 1936-1937, in rapid succession by other 
workers showing similar inactivation of other viruses: by Holden et al., using 
the herpes virus; by Kligler and Bernkopf, on the vaccina virus, by Lagenbusch 
and Enderling, with the virus of hoof-and-mouth disease; by Amato, on the 
rabies virus; by Lominski, using bacteriophage; and by Lojkin and Martin, with 
the tobacco mosaic disease virus. Thus, at this early date it was established 
that ascorbic acid had the potential of being a wide-spectrum antiviral agent." 
  After Jungeblut's well known notoriety in the 1930s and 40s in Polio 
research, he seemed to disappear into anonymity along with all the research of 
Vitamin C as an antimicrobial. This was mainly due to the efforts of the 
famous, Dr. Albert B. Sabin. Dr. Sabin was the champion at this time in live 
polio virus vaccine research.  He attempted to repeat Jungeblut's 
groundbreaking work showing that polio infected monkeys benefited by Vitamin C 
administration. Sabin could not reproduce Jungeblut's success which was later 
evaluated by Jungeblut, himself, as Sabin using far too low of dosages on 
monkeys, who were far sicker than his in the lab trials. Sabin gave one single 
small dose of 400 mg to only one animal and for only one day. Imagine giving a 
similar dosage of one of our current antibiotics and hoping for a cure? 
Impossible. Sabin's resulting negative published results effectively stifled 
all future work with Vitamin C in the context as an anti-viral compound. Sabin 
went on to perfect a live virus vaccine, but in the meantime, he came into 
conflict with Dr. Salk who worked at vaccinating polio from the dead virus 
perspective. As with Jungeblut's Vitamin C research, Sabin did everything in 
his power to condemn the work of Salk. He was quoted of being very bombastic 
and intolerant of new ideas. Here we see how medical history is such a fickle 
maiden. Salk would mostly have been stopped in his tracks from further work on 
a dead virus vaccine had it not been for Basil O'Connor, an appointee by 
Franklin D. Roosevelt. O'Connor was in charge of the goverment grant purse 
strings in stimulating polio research. Salk and O'Connor met by happenstance 
and O'Connor was impressed with this young researcher, Jonas Salk! He believed 
in Salk's work and was a nonfliching supporter of Salk and powerful enough to 
defy Sabin. In the end. Salk was allowed to complete his successful polio dead 
virus vaccine merely because he had friends in high places who never stopped 
funneling money to his lab! Just imagine what might have happened if O'Connor 
had met and liked Dr. Jungeblut or Dr. Klenner! 

  Dr.Klenner in the late 1940s took Jungeblut's work a bit further by 
administering 20-40 grams of Vitamin C per day with stunning results. Andrew W. 
Saul writes: "Curiously, the only report on vitamin C and polio that Klenner 
had at that time read was Sabin's negative one. Klenner writes that his own 
"observations of the action of ascorbic acid on virus diseases were made 
independently of any knowledge of previous studies using vitamin C on virus 
pathology, except for the negative report of Sabin after treating Rhesus 
monkeys experimentally infected with the poliomyelitis virus." Then he reviewed 
the literature, finding "an almost unbelievable record of such studies. The 
years of labor in animal experimentation, the cost in human effort and in 
grants, and the volumes written, make it difficult to understand how so many 
investigators could have failed in comprehending the one thing that would have 
given positive results a decade ago. This one thing was the size of the dose of 
vitamin C employed and the frequency of its administration. In all fairness it 
must be said that Jungeblut noted on several occasions that he attributed his 
failure of results to the possibility that the strength of his injectable 'C' 
was inadequate. It was he who unequivocally said that ''vitamin C can 
truthfully be designated as the antitoxic and antiviral vitamin.'" And so went 
Dr. Klenner groundbreaking work, who inspired a few other renegades such as Dr. 
Robert Cathcart, Dr. W. Bellfield, Thomas Levy, but few o

Re: CS>Gluthathione for Dad/need advice/Parkinsons disease

[polo]

Elbert,

If I were you, I would consider making a liposomal formula of gluthathione. 
You can make it very similar to how Vitamin C is liposomized. In fact, if I 
were you, I would combine both Vit C and gluthathione in a protocol. This 
should save you huge dollars if it seems effective for your dad. 

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Elbert vaughn 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:29 AM
  Subject: CS>Gluthathione for Dad/need advice/Parkinsons disease


  Dear Silver list  family, I would greatly appreciate any advice that could 
help me make the right descision in regards to the treating of my dad with 
Glutathione therapy. I have become aware that this antioxidant(we all produce 
it, but it diminishes as we get older), gives unbelievable results when given 
to Parkinsons patients(you can go to youtube, and put parkinsons patients being 
treated with glutathione, and  see what I mean). Their are parkinsons patients 
when taking intravenous glutathione  that are walking without assistence(a hour 
after taking glutathione), speaking cohenrently(a hour or more after taking 
gluthathione). It works that fast. I could not believe what I was seeing. The 
only problem is that it cost a fortune(many hundreds or even a thousand dollar 
per month or more(has to be given by a trained proffesional in a clinical 
setting, because I heard that you could do harm(possibly kill someone if you do 
not know how to give intravenous injections, which I don't know how to do). I 
don't believe you can get a prescription for glutahione, because it is not a 
drug, even though on the internet it says you can get a prescription for 
Glutathione(generally used for treating arthrithis, and asthma). We will have a 
appointment with my Dads neurologist to see if it is possible to get a 
precription(and hopefully if he gives us a prescription for Glutathione his 
insuranace company will cover it). I hope, and pray that will be the case.

  Their are 3 ways of administering glutathione(supposotories, 
inhaled(nebulization), and intravenous). We have tried the supposotories, and 
at the current time my Dad is on nebulization). The supposotories were much 
more effective(I guess the key to the success rate of glutathione is getting it 
directly into the blood. The nebulization not so effective in my eyes, but we 
can only afford the nebulization. The supposotories cost $179 per month. The 
nebulization cost $35.00 a month(which we can afford, if I can get my mother to 
believe that it is worthwhile( it says on the internet that glutathione can 
slow, or even halt  the progression of parkinsons disease). My mother is 
looking for results the parkinsons patients on youtube got from glutathione 
being administered intravenously, I don't think that is possible with inhaled 
glutathione.

  So, my mindset at the time is how can I become educated on how to give my dad 
intranvenous glutathione. I will be contacting a nursing agencies, and pay for 
a nurse to show me how to give a person intranvenous injections. I can purchase 
the equipment needed(syringe, tubing etc) that is needed to give intranvenous 
injections. Liquid glutathione can be purchased off of the internet(even though 
the prices are something we cannot afford). I have done research, and found 
that a product call immunocal, and lifewave patches can cause the body to 
produce more of it on natural glutathione, and according to the internet(I am 
speaking more about the lifewave patches) can simulate what I saw on youtube 
with the intravenous glutathione(again prices very high for immunocal, and the 
lifewafe patches). Their was a person with parkinsons disease that put on the 
lifewave patches on youtube, and basically had the same results as a person 
taking intravenous glutathione would have. The results were immediate(even 
though  I am skeptical about lifewave patchs(my mothers friend had some aliment 
that the lifewave patches were suppose to allieviate, but got no results). So 
basically what I am trying to do is to find something that we as a family can 
afford that can give the same or similar  results that a parkinsons patient 
recieves when taking intravenous glutathione, that is, if I cannot find 
affordable  liquid glutathione from off the internet(injectable glutathione) , 
because if I am not able to find affordable liquid glutathione we as a family 
wlll not be able to treat my father with intravenous glutathione. God knows I 
will be forever grateful if anyone has any suggestions to help me achieve this 
goal. Here are a couple of weblinks(from youtube), that indicates what happens 
when a parkinsons patient takes intravenous glutathione. Here they are: 1)  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQRCpdcGwIU  
2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEsl1aOyLHEand   3)  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sVN7OIKMg&feature=BFa&list=UUSWnNWGvnVTLD9y3oYgMXmg

  If you have any advice that can help us as a family achieve results

Re: CS>magnetic stirrer

[polo]

The Ika "squids" are advertised at RPM speeds at 0-2500 with 50 RPM increments 
on the dial which would mean the low speed of these models should be around 50 
RPM.

doug


  - Original Message - 
  From: bob Larson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:55 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>magnetic stirrer


  i have one, a "color squid" european model with a speed control knob that 
gets pretty slow... haven't timed it

Re: Cayenne / Aches & pain was // Re: CS>Prostatitis

[polo]

Renee,

I have never had my throat sore from cayenne, particularly the next day. 
HOWEVER, when I had to go the hospital and they put a tube down my throat which 
they could have well done with your father, it was sore for the next few days. 
I still recall how that felt!

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:17 PM
  Subject: RE: Cayenne / Aches & pain was // Re: CS>Prostatitis


  My poor Dad.  He couldn't tolerate anything hot at all.  He was diabetic and 
one day my Mom and I were shopping.  When we came in Dad was in his chair, out 
of it, kind of slumped over and not responsive.  I thought he had a stroke or 
heart attack so I got out my super hot cayenne tincture and put a dropper full 
in his mouth.  Swallow response was instinctive.  Gave him a second dropper 
full.  Was putting the third dropper up to his mouth and his hand slowly came 
up and he waved 'no'-so I stopped.  I thought-if he can do that, that's enough 
cayenne maybe.

   

  Mom had of course called the ambulance while I was doing this and about then 
they came running up to the door.  When they checked he was actually in a 
diabetic 'coma' rather than a heart issue.  They rushed him to the hospital 
where they straightened him out.  He came home the next day.

   

  For about 3 days he could barely whisper and kept saying 'they must have put 
something down my throat because it's so sore'.  Lol  I didn't dare tell him I 
dosed him with habannero cayenne tincture.  

   

  Samala, 

  Renee

   

  Well he sure tasted the cayenne before he got the pill down the face told me 
that and we pulled him out of the stroke he had a month ago with zero lasting 
impact.  But yes I can try him with minimal amounts to keep up the good work 

Re: CS>Heat increasing ppm. (spectrophotometer)

[polo]

Marshall,

Interesting that you use a spectrophotometer. Can you tell me how you get 
reference cuvette solutions to graph what your CS sample is. To me, that would 
be the tricky part. You would 0 out with distilled water, but where do you get 
known CS concentrations to plot your readings?

thanks,

doug



  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:05 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Heat increasing ppm.


  You can get accurate measurements using a spectrophotometer.  That is what I 
use when I need accurate data.

  Marshall

Re: CS>Re CS Old horseman's cure for boils.

[polo]

We know them as "chestnuts" here in old Missouri (USA) as well.

(:>)

d


- Original Message - 



I never heard the "old toe " was called a chestnut. Must be a 
colloquialism. 



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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387

[polo]

Renee,

What's the title and author of that magnet book you speak?

doug

Re: CS>Green Walnut Hull /Osage Orange in upstate NY

[polo]

No, it was never known as a "thorn apple". That nickname goes to a poisonous 
weed that is also known as jimeson weed or more properly datura stramonium.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Sara Mandal-Joy" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Green Walnut Hull /Osage Orange in upstate NY


Some folks call the osage orange a thorn apple, or hedge apple.  Maybe you 
know the tree by another name.  Sara



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Re: CS>Green Walnut Hull

[polo]

Osage Orange looks nothing like black walnut! The implication here is that 
Osage orange is to be avoided. May I suggest that the Osage orange is a 
treasure not fully appreciated. My webspage on the subject:

http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Wild_Herbs/Osage_Orange/osage_orange.html

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: phoenix23002 tds.net 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:15 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Green Walnut Hull


  Be careful.. Osage Orange 'fruit' looks a little like black walnuts.  Very 
similar but I think the Osage Orange is a little larger than the black walnuts. 
 There is another name for them too, just can't think of it at the moment.   
Lola

Re: CS>Homemade Liposomal Vitamin C

[polo]

You can buy them in used condition reasonably on ebay, if you are patient. I 
have one I paid a tad over $50 for and it would retail for around $350.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Homemade Liposomal Vitamin C


Trouble is, I can't afford one of the industrial kinds, so am stuck with 
the cheap ones.  dee



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Re: CS>Homemade Liposomal Vitamin C

[polo]

Richard,

What you write about seems fairly common with those who use the cheaper 
ultrasonic units. You need to purchase a unit designed for business, lab, 
industry. Look for the major brands and not cheap pacific rim manufactured 
units. A tip-off that a unit is not designed for sustained use is the timer 
device on that unit. If your unit does not have a timer capable of 30 minute or 
longer sessions, then it will probably over-heat, if over-used. 

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Pells 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:45 AM
  Subject: CS>Homemade Liposomal Vitamin C


  Hi there, I've been having trouble with ultrasonic cleaners burning out when 
making liposomal vitamin C. I have been using various models all made by James 
products, not the Harbor Freight type. I have since found the Harbor Freight 
models on Amazon.co.uk and was going to try them to see if they are better. Has 
anybody else had this problem. I alway filled to the right level and never ran 
the machine more than 3 x 3 minute cycles without a long break. The last 
machine I tried was a £150 James 2200m Sonic professional cleaner and that 
broke the same day it arrived!. Is it just the James products, or is it the 
lecithin solution that's causing the problem? Any ideas?

  Regards
  RIchard

Re: CS>cs taken intravenously ....

[polo]

test

Re: CS>CS:>re Lipo-C encapsulation taste

[polo]

I happened to run across this journal article that is quite intriguing. I seems 
to suggest that one can use a modified starch, maybe like NATRASORB® which is 
easy to be had and cheap to encapsulate hard to dissolve solutions like tumeric 
or curcumin: Myabe this is a way around the bad taste for some of lecithin?

 
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6R-4WS2J1P-1&_user=10&_coverDate=03%2F15%2F2010&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C50221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=43f4caa9b78de891893726eb64d91503&searchtype=a



Abstract..Curcumin is a natural polyphenolic compound with 
anti-oxidation, anti-inflammation, and anti-cancer properties. However, these 
benefits of curcumin suffer from its extremely low water solubility and 
bioavailability. In this study, we demonstrated that hydrophobically modified 
starch (HMS), a food-grade biopolymer, is able to form micelles and to 
encapsulate curcumin. Upon encapsulation, curcumin showed increased solubility 
by about 1670-folds.  Moreover, encapsulated curcumin revealed enhanced in 
vitro anti-cancer activity compared to free curcumin. This study provides a 
novel food-grade encapsulation formulation to increase the bioaccessibility of 
curcumin.



I am attempting to get this entire journal article from a professor friend and 
see how they exactly did it. I plan to discuss this at my new DIY-LET yahoo 
group in the near future.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/


doug

CS>new LET group

[polo]

Sorry wrong LET group address. This is the one:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/


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Re: CS>LET

[polo]

I would like to invite all of you to a new group devoted specifically to 
(LET) Liposomal encapsulation technology. Feel free to join.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/management/settings/appearance/view



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Re: CS>CS:>re Lipo-C encapsulation taste

[polo]

I personally like the taste of the Lipo-C homemade versions. I have come across 
a number of people who cannot seem to stand the stuff. One was a German who 
claimed it reminded him of a detested whale oil medication he was forced to 
take as a child. To me, it does have a pleasant lemony fatty taste. Some people 
say it reminds them of fish. Perhaps the lemon and the fatty sensations which 
can also be associated with fish is part of it? As an herbalist who routinely 
makes tinctures and other forms of medication that are far from tasty and of 
which I have often been complained toI say, to each their own. Nothing is 
perfect or everything pleasant in this world. Often the old axiom is quite 
true. NO PAIN, NO GAIN.  We all have to find our own truths in life. If one 
detests homemade Lipo-c that much, don't take it!

I started out using the cheap harbor freight units, but quickly graduated to 
more top of the line units. Currently, I am only using laboratory grade 
American baserd Branson ultrasonic units which can allow timed sessions up to 
an hour long. I tend to process my lipo-C for around 40 minutes, cycling in 
10-15 minute increments to avoid heating. My lipo-C seems to be less creamy 
than my original harbor freight formulations and to my palate, it is better 
tasting and hopefully, I am producing a smaller, more quality packed liposome, 
too. 

I might also add, that my cholesterol had been going up quite predictably every 
year for the last 4 years. Just this last summer, I seriously started taking my 
homemade lipo-c (3grams/day) and lysine powder (3grams/day) about 60 days 
before I had a yearly blood work done.on myself. For the first time ever in the 
last 4 years, my cholesterol readings went down 32 points! I am now doubling up 
on dosage to 6 grams of both Lipo-C and Lysine and will see if that will get my 
cholesterol readings down into normal range this coming next year. So far, 
looking good! 

doug

Re: CS>Black Salve & skin cancer cure

[polo]

yes, it is a cancer salve
  - Original Message - 
  From: Carol Ann 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:36 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Black Salve & skin cancer cure

Re: CS>Black Salve & skin cancer cure

[polo]

A superb book on salves:  CANCER SALVES by Ingrid Naiman. You should read it 
from cover to cover!

Some Black salve recipes in that book:

1)  25% Galalngal root
 25% bloodroot
 50% zinc choride

Put the zinc chloride (99.4% pure) in an uncovered glass bowl. Depending on 
heat and humidity, it will take as long as 4 days to liquefy. Adding distilled 
water will promote fast liquidfication. Grind herbs being careful to keep the 
temperature below 100F. Add the herbs to the zinc chloride and stir thoroughly. 
At first, the mixture will be a bit thin. Add flour to thicken to the 
consistency to toothpaste. The pH should be in the 3.7-3.8 range. If not, add 
more powdered herbs in equal proportions. Do not use metal with zinc chloride

2)

distilled water..25%
zinc chloride34%
chaparral.7.5%
bloodroot concentrate..14%
cayenne6%
glycerin3%
red clover2%
turmeric..5%
DMSO.2%
burdock root.1%
citric acid.   .5%

Thicken with Irish moss if necessary.  Dissolve zinc chloride in the warm 
distilled water. Blend all the herbal powders and blood root in a separate 
container. Slowly add the zinc chloride solution to the herbal blend while 
stirring. Mix well. Add the glycerin and the citric acid and mix thoroughly. 
Gently heat this mixture in an oven at 120F for approximately 8 hours. Remove 
from heat stir well and allow to cool. The process requires curing. Either let 
the mixture sit for a 1 week or force cure in oven. 

-

NOTE that in most all black salves and escharotics salves,  zinc chloride is 
the main ingredient!  It can be excruciating painful!  It is a caustic and will 
attack healthy as well as diseased tissue! Dr. Mohr claimed it did seem to have 
a higher affinity for diseased rather than healthy tissue.  I would use this 
ingredient with extreme care and you should do your homework well!

doug

Re: CS>re: making your own vitamins

[polo]

The true process to make apple cider vinegar is to first ferment the apple 
juice into "hard cider" which is alcoholic. This takes an introduction of yeast 
to ferment the juice. Then after you have the alcoholic cider, you add the 
"mother" (bacteria) which will convert the alcohol to acetic acid (vinegar).

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lisa 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:58 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>re: making your own vitamins


  Can you explain how you do this (particularly with the ACV).

   

  One way you can "make" ACV cheaper is to buy one of the bottles with the 
mother and then add some (half cup or so) to a gallon of unpasteurized cider. 
It will eventually turn to ACV. You can also use a juicer with apples and do 
the same thing. 

   

  I've never heard of adding probiotics to stuff though (except to milk when 
you add yogurt to it to make more yogurt). I'm intrigued !

   

  Lisa

   

CS>new thoughts on lipsomes encapsulation

[polo]

I have been curious for a while why Livon Lab's liposomal C looks different 
from our homemade stuff. I have come to the conclusion that one major reason 
is that they use ethanol in the process and we do not. From what I am able 
to read on the subject, it appears that if one incorporates an ethanol 
fraction to lecithin it will produce a more jell like substance and it will 
produce a higher quality liposome more stable under the acidic conditions 
encountered in our stomach. Some of the studies that lead me to this:


https://qir.kyushu-u.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2324/4572/1/p119.pdf

and

bigbro.biophys.cornell.edu/publications/197_Polozova.pdf


My clue that Livon uses ethanol  can be seen at:

http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/lypo-spheric/LivOn-FAQ.html#10


It seems to me they are underplaying the use of ethanol in their 
lipo-spheric C, but this is what they write:


Q: Why is there alcohol in the Lypo-SphericTM Vitamin C?

A: There is alcohol in the product for preservative purposes. This is a 
pharmaceutical grade natural grain alcohol which will not cause any ill 
effects in the body. If you do not wish to consume the alcohol in the 
product, open the packet and let it sit for 10-15 minutes to let the alcohol 
evaporate. (Do not let it sit for more than 8 hours because it will 
oxidize).


Anyone have further thoughts on ethanol and LET?



doug



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Re: CS>CS: Liposomal encapsulating others

[polo]

I did a webpage on the protocol and my experiences with dilute HCl acid iv 
therapy which may be seen at:

http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Infections/HCL/hcl.html
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Jones 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:55 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS: Liposomal encapsulating others


  Doug, I think you're wrong about this, but I'm willing to be proved 
otherwise.  Do you have any references for this?  Sodium ascorbate should be 
pretty close to neutral pH (7) but ascorbic acid is acidic (don't know the pH). 
 I would think injecting anything acidic would be a bad idea...

  Alan

Re: CS>CS: Liposomal encapsulating others

[polo]

Not true about ascorbic acid being lethal or even causing illness. Actually,  a 
large majority of the injectable Vitamin C out there on the commercial market 
is made from ascorbic acid. It is more difficult to find the injectable Vit C 
made out of sodium ascorbate. So that should tell you some thing about 
toxicity! This pH thing is blown clear out of proportion. I have used dilute 
Hydrochloric acid  therapy for years to good affect. I inject dilute HCl acid 
into the blood, iv, and it is superb in treating all types of infections. Just 
google it! Two MDs in the 1920s perfected this protocol. So don't write that 
ascorbic acid can kill. No way.

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:20 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>CS: Liposomal encapsulating others


Liposomal Ascorbic Acid can acidify your blood, which has a good chance 
of being fatal. It is playing Russian Roulette.  The FDA would love for some of 
us to kill ourselves with liposomal vitamin C, so they can outlaw it.

You have to add baking soda, or can can use pre-mixed Sodium Ascorbate. 
Since Sodium Ascorbate is dirt cheap, I do not understand why so many people 
are making their own with Ascorbic Acid plus baking soda.

Sodium Ascorbate is $13.79 per pound at iHerb (cheaper than the 
bulk-size NOW Ascorbic Acid):

http://www.iherb.com/NutriBiotic-Sodium-Ascorbate-Crystalline-Powder-16-oz-454-g/10178?at=0




It MIGHT be possible to use Calcium Ascorbate or Magnesium Ascorbate or 
some other ascorbate, but Sodium Ascorbate is the standard. If anyone knows for 
sure, please say something.











   

Re: CS>LET C - ascorbic acid...

[polo]

3 pounds for $31.96

http://www.imedmart.com/NOW/Ascorbic-Acid-Powder/3-lbs.html?cmx=8X0D21&refx=FR00GX



- Original Message - 
From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: CS>LET C - ascorbic acid...



iHerb.  dee

On 12 Oct 2010, at 16:12, Lisa wrote:

Does anyone have a good resource on where to purchase (reasonably priced) 
ascorbic acid for doing the LET C???


Lisa



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Re: CS>Re: Croton Oil Plant

[polo]

Thanks for the heads-up. Yeah, that site does say it stimulates tumors, but 
here is a site that says it fights prostrate cancer:

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Croton-oil-kills-off-prostate-cancer-in-lab-study

Another site writes:

"According to Hartwell (1967-1971), the seed oil and bark are used in folk 
remedies for cancerous sores and tumors." Go figure?

Another online study suggests that croton oil can cause cervical and vaginal 
cancers if the herpes virus is also present, so I don't think that one counts 
as far as I am concerned. 

Yet another study suggests that mice that are treated for prolonged periods 
with topical croton oil may have skin cancer, but I say to that, any form of 
chronic inflammation will also do this. Cancer and inflammation is closely 
related. I have used it on horses for many years and have seen no resulting 
skin cancers from my own personal experiences.

At any rate, thank you for your efforts. A lot of conflicting data out there, 
so I can only go with my own personal experience with the substance.

doug


  - Original Message - 
  From: Melly Bag 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:22 PM
  Subject: CS>Re: Croton Oil Plant


Doug,

Croton grows in Philippines. It seems to be a tumor promoter.

Go to this link.  http://www.stuartxchange.com/Tuba.html  This features 
the croton oil plant with picture, description and uses.

Melly 

Re: CS>making own turpentine? Canada

[polo]

Croton oil has been used for years and years until of late in various 
veterinary liniments and that is what I want it for. It is a counterirritant.  
I see on the net that it may have some cancer fighting applications too, but I 
have not really studied that aspect of it. 

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>making own turpentine? Canada


Croton oil?  Never even heard of it.  The sap of a species of croton is 
called sagro de drago, but that's not an oil.  What is it used for, if you 
don't mind?  And do you mean the same type of croton plant that is sold as 
house plants here in the US?  Sorry--just being curious.

Samala,
Renee  

Re: CS>making own turpentine? Canada

[polo]

Tony,

   Pardon me being off topic here but catching that you are form S. Africa, 
stimulated me into posting this. I have been looking for a source for CROTON 
OIL in vain for the last year or so. No one seems to be willing to sell me 
any at reasonable amounts. The best I can do is order a minimum shipment of 
25 liters in one drum from an Indian Chemical firm. Price is around US$1700. 
I just need a liter or two. Croton oil comes from trees in the southern 
African and Indian regions and I am wondering if you have ever seen any for 
sell near you. If so. I would love to buy some from you or anybody.


thanks,

doug


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Re: CS>liposomes & ultrasonic cleaners

[polo]

Ok, thanks for that info, but nevertheless, this tidbit does not change the 
fact that ultrasonic cleaners are designed to have a low and high phase. How 
can a liposome be immune from rupture, by the tough phospholipids membrane 
when compared to the ordinary bubble??


doug


- Original Message - 

50/60 Hz is the line frequency the unit is specified to work with, what
comes in the power cord.  That is on the low end of the audio spectrum,
not the high.  Cleaners typically run between 20 and 30 KHz, which is
above the range of hearing. The movement is basically sinusoidal, thus
the amount of time above the baseline is equal to the amount under the
baseline.  The word phase in such a situation would refer to the
difference in the angle between two waves and does not apply to these
cleaners at all.



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Re: CS>liposomes & ultrasonic cleaners

[polo]

Oh, I forgot to include one other musing on this subject. I have a vitamix 
blender and wonder how effective such a blender would be on producing 
liposomes? Note that the vitamix is no ordinary blender! Blades reach 264 mph 
one way and they can be instantaeously reversed at the same speed to produce a 
blade affect collisions in excess of 500 mph. Also, the vitamix can generate so 
much turbulance, it can reach cooking temperatures in minutes. This is 
certainly no ordinary run of the mill kitchen blender. 

It seems to me that the vitamix performance might approach the advertised 
pressures/forces of Livon Lab's 1700 psi liposomal making procedure though I 
don't know how to equate mph vs psi? Granted, the vitamix because it can 
produce high temps, one would need to use care to make lip-C via pulsing and 
other ways, but that is easy to get around, I should think. 

doug

Re: CS>Digest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C

[polo]

SupposedlymBrooks documented his liposomal results via electron microscope 
viewing of the finished solution. However, in all of the liposomal books I have 
tried to study, no where does it seem to be that easy in the lab to produce a 
liposome. The lab procedures seems quite complicated. Wonder why? Maybe the 
average lab needs are more complicated for a specific type of liposome?

doug

CS>liposomes & ultrasonic cleaners

[polo]

I have been doing some study on the mechanics of ultrasonic cleaners in 
relation to liposomes and I am curious of some of the ramifications: 

1)  Ultrasonic cleaners work by producing alternating low and high sound waves. 
The unit I am using does 50/60 Hz. The low phase produces the bubble and the 
high phase implodes the bubbles which produces the cleaning action so desired 
in such cleaners. Question: I can see the low phase producing liposomes, but 
how are the liposomes immune to the high phase that normally ruptures bubbles?

2)  Using the cheap harbor freight ultrasonic cleaner, it is recommended to 
stir the solution and that the more shallow the solution, the higher the 
quality of liposome. Is stirring really necessary as it is so time consuming? 
It seems to me that the solution has natural movement all by itself from the 
production of the ultrasonic waves. 

3)  It is suggested that the best cavitation of the solution in the ultrasonic 
cleaner occurs when the solution is warm, plus the cavittion produces heat too. 
How much danger is this produced heat from ultrasonic wave production to 
ascorbic acid or the ascorbates' integrity over a long period of time? Is it 
minimal? One would logically conclude that the more heat produced, the more 
energetic the cavitation---would one not? If this is true, would it not be more 
efficient to produce liposomes with specialized instruments like sonifiers 
(pulsing and placing the lipo-C in ice water to keep temps low)? 

4)  It sounds to me that the longer one can run your lipo-C solution in a 
ultrasonic cleaner the better the quality of liposomes according to some of 
Brooks' later posts, however there is what is known as "degassing" in 
ultrasonic cleaning. Many instruction manuals for cleaners will advise you to 
"de-gas" your solution from 5-10 minutes before actually starting the cleaning 
process. Degassing is the initial removal of gases present in the solution. 
Useful cavitation occurs after the gasses have been removed from the solution 
leaving a vacuum in the later formed bubbles as it is written in these manuals. 
So it seems to me on first glance after reading this, that one would not want 
to extend our Lipo-C solution cavitation much longer than the recommended 6 
minutes as that would degas the solution, producing an "empty bubble". Is this 
true or am I missing some thing? 

5)  Finally, there seems to me, better ways to produce a liposome via sound 
waves. Would not lab devices known as sonifiers/sonicators/cell disruptors be a 
better choice since these devices produce an intense steady frequency unlike 
the ultrasonic cleaner? Agreed, this device would not be in the reach of the 
average home-made tech, but would it produce a smaller, better liposome than 
ultrasonic cleaners? I realize that heat generation would be a problem from 
such intense ultrasound involvement from a cell disruptor, but having the 
solution in ice and pulsing should over come this problem, eh?

doug

Re: CS>What's the best way to prepare chaparral?

[polo]

I tinctured chaparral with pure DMSO in a mason jar. Then you can dilute it for 
treatment to the percentage you want. I would not go below 50%. I get a rich 
potent tincture with a pure DMSO menstruum. Great anti-viral!

You might want to consider MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) for itching dogs. I have 
had great success in the past with terriers that would scratch themselves 
bloody raw by simply feeding them around a teaspoon of MSM every day. Actually, 
it is a life saver for me during ragweed pollen season, too. Not well known it 
is good for allergies.

doug




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  Two of my dogs are itching, apparently from a fungal infection. After trying 
all sorts of things, I thought of giving them an external treatment of 
chaparral (for its anti-fungal and anti-viral properties) with a bit of DMSO 
(to drive the chaparral into the skin).

   

  The dogs are raw fed, mostly grass-fed or organic meats, with raw meaty 
bones. They also get kelp, salmon oil, Transfer Factor, digestive enzymes, and 
colloidal silver. I will run rife frequencies for ringworm once I get my plasma 
light tube device next week. But I need to do more for these dogs, since 
they're rescued and therefore have weak immune systems. 

   

  Chaparral grows wild where I live, so I've been collecting it. Now it's time 
to prepare it. But I'm not sure whether it's better to prepare a tincture, or 
to simply simmer it in water (how hot, and for how long?) so I can soak the 
dogs in a tub.

   

  I would appreciate suggestions. Thanks in advance.

   

Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C LECITHIN question

[polo]

I think I recall Brooks Bradley not recommending liquid lecithin, but not sure 
why. I use the soy lecithin powder and have no problems with any undissolved 
material. I should think any form of lecithin would work however. I use a three 
stage process: (measure and preliminarily shake in a mason jar, (2) pulse in a 
vitamix, (3) 6 minutes of sonification in a cleaner. I get a beautiful 
suspension. 

doug
  - Original Message - 

   
  I found it very difficult to dissolve the liquid lecithin in the distilled 
water. There were still some small strings of undissolved lecithin remaining 
after shaking it in the jar. I ran the lecithin-water-Vitamin C mixture through 
about six 3-minute cycles in the ultrasonic cleaner, because I wanted to make 
sure it dissolved sufficiently. The final mixture did indeed acquire the 
desired milky appearance. However, there were still some small bits of lecithin 
floating around.

   

  Will this seriously impinge on the liposomal qualities of the Vitamin C? If 
so, I'll get sunflower lecithin granules next time. Or does ALL homemade 
Liposomal Vitamin C contain small bits of lecithin?

   

  Thanks for your help.

Re: Re: CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technique

[polo]

Sure does not work for me yesterday and still does not today.

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Acmeair 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technique


  i just logged onto the archives and they are still there,,
 jim

Re: CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technique

[polo]

Jim,

That was my frist response to go the archives but they seem to be 
non-functional as the page sugests:

"I'm sorry to report that the archiving service at escribe.com has gone down 
and is probably not going to return. The archive links below do not work.
An alternative will be developed in time. Meanwhile, please ask your questions 
on the list."





  - Original Message - 
  From: Acmeair 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 6:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technique


  want to reply to your post here. we all went thru this with mr. brooks 
bradley, when he first started to post on the subject.

  for several years prior to this time frame, the archives for the silver list 
were not working. whenever mr. bradley would post some new info, or 
instructions, or give us an update,  a lot of us would miss the post. because 
of this, there was a lot of us asking around for copies, etc.  in a stroke of 
luck, the archives were resurrected.  more than one of our members were 
organized enough to have archived their own messages,   and were kind enough to 
give mr. bradleys total library to the silver list.  my thanks to all those 
peoples.

  the part of your post here has a lot of the data and story line that i recall 
from the inception of our instruction on LET, but the numbers are jumbled as to 
correct  relationships.  if you would go the CS archives, and do a search on 
"brooks bradley", and you should be getting all of the information on doing the 
do-it-yourself liposomal encapsulation technique.

  mr. bradley is a very busy man, and just drops by occassionaly.  do your 
homework, and don't rely on a personal response from mr. bradley.  you will see 
a lot of questions,   and the answers right there in the archives. feel free to 
ask a question to the list,  as there are quite a few doing this technique.  my 
interest was due to chasing down the linus pauling theory.  
  good studying,jim

Re: CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technique

[polo]

Thanks for the reply, but that link does not really address my question. It is 
referring to the regular absorbed Vit C in the gut at an average of 19% as 
compared to Liposomal Vit C in the gut at 93%. Ok, I can easily buy that fact, 
what I am wondering how can, 5 grams of liposomal C, even at 93% availability 
to the blood stream, produce an effect similar to 50 grams of intravenously 
given Vit C?

After all, if 93% of the 5 grams of liposomal Vit C gets into the blood 
stream---it would be 4.65 grams. Understand what I am saying? So how can 5 
grams of liposomal Vit C equal 50 grams of intravenous Vit C? I would say it 
would be quite logical for 5 grams of liposomal Vit C at 93% absorbability to 
equal 4.65 grams of IV vitamin C. Now that sounds reasonable to me. 

doug
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  From: Garrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:35 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technique


  http://www.letstalkhealth.com/Liposomal-Vitamin-C-p/614.htm

  Increase Absorption Dramatically - Regular vitamin C is absorbed at 
approximately 19%, the balance remains in the gastrointestinal tract to attract 
water and loosen the bowels. Nanotechnology, liposomalized vitamin C is 
absorbed at 93%, measurable in the blood stream. A 390% increase in absorption! 
Get IV results with oral dosage!

CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technique

[polo]

Brooks, 

One thing that has been bothering me about your lipsomal technique for a while 
is what I believe to be your statement to the effect that 5 grams of Vitamin C 
which has been encased by liposomes is equal to 50 grams of Vitamin C that has 
been given intravenously.  Did you write this and if so, how could this really 
be? At best, doesn't chemical logic say that 5 grams of Vitamin C can be no 
better than 5 grams, no matter what? How can 5 grams of liposomal Vit C be more 
effective than 5 grams given intravenously or is liposomal Vit C some how 
protected in the blood plasma better? What is the physiological mechanism 
behind this concept?

thanks,

doug

Re: CS>off-topic: Thank You All>Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[polo]

Thank you for saying so. I was quite intrigued with this myself though I have 
yet to do much experimenatation.

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christina Mattson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:18 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>off-topic: Thank You All>Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Wow,  i was considering buying my own Hyperbaric Chanmber for my son 
who has Down Syndrome because masking as recommended by the Doman Institutes 
was not possible or feasable for us. It would be another year or so before i 
could save up enough money and this was stressing me out because as i speak his 
Windows of Opportunity for learning are speeding by. I know were supposed to 
keep thank you's to a minimum but this has made my whole year. 
Thank you all so much.

Tina 

Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[polo]

>From Dr. W. C Douglass' book, HYDROGEN PEROXIDE:

"Even nebulization works (of H2O2).  Doctor Finney and his colleagues at Baylor 
had rabbits breath H2O2, mixed in saline solution. The amount of oxygen 
increase found in the blood was twice what would be obtained from the average 
hyperbaric oxygen treatment. The HBO treatment costs about $150, the H2O2 
nebulization one, about a dime."


doug


  - Original Message - 




  Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)
   
  Thank you in advance,
   
  Rusty

Re: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast

[polo]

Diamond V XPT Yeast Culture is our research proven ... low-inclusion ... 
all-natural ... fully fermented ... true . . . yeast culture feed ingredient. 
Diamond V XPT can be fed to all classes of livestock and poultry to help 
improve feed digestibility and add palatability to feed rations. 

Diamond V XPCT Yeast Culture is a concentrated version of Diamond V Yeast 
Culture products. Recent advancements in fermentation technology have allowed 
us to further concentrate the active components (nutritional metabolites) of XP 
and YC into a lower inclusion rate product. The same proprietary yeast 
fermentation process used to manufacture XP and YC is used to manufacture XPC.


I buy the xpc, but the price I paid was around $80. Maybe you should shop 
around though $92 is getting close to expected price asked.

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:51 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast


  Doug -- I was at the feed store this morning, and asked about this.  They had 
50-lb. bags of Diamond V XP, but not the XPC product.  What is the difference, 
do you know?  The XP product was only $25.00 or so for 50 lbs., but the XPC 
product (on the internet) was $92.00 for 50 lbs.  What don't I know?  Thanks.
  MA




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   I buy my XPC from the feed store in 50 pound sacks. 

Re: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast

[polo]

No, hehe, my appetite is too strong as it is. I do take 3000mg of Vit C, have 
for years. For a long while the Vit C kept me cold/flu free, but I noticed 
around 3-4 years ago, I would start getting that occasional little winter cold, 
though no flu, even on the C. I started taking XPC and I am back to nothing 
again. I have to suspect the XPC is helping. I may/could have gotten the same 
results with opting larger dosages the C? I buy my XPC from the feed store in 
50 pound sacks. 

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessie 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:20 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast


  Doug, since taking the yeast did you get a stronger appetite? Jess 

Re: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast

[polo]

Diamond V XPC YeastThe hype with xpc started with Dr. William's article:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Y02cEXzjt9wJ:www.kirks-graphics.com/pdf/eat-like-a-horse.pdf+diamond+v+xpc+dr.+williams&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=16&gl=us




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sandy 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:22 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast


Hi Steve,

What is Diamond V XPC good for as to humans? Google says it's good for 
animal feed but not intended for humans.

Sandy

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Norton, Steve  wrote:

  From: Norton, Steve 
  Subject: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 5:23 PM


  As I recall, someone on the list (Dan?) purchased a quantity of 
Diamond V XPC last year. I was just wondering how they liked it.

  -   Steve N



  From: Norton, Steve 
  Subject: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 5:23 PM


  As I recall, someone on the list (Dan?) purchased a quantity of 
Diamond V XPC last year. I was just wondering how they liked it.

  -   Steve N
   

Re: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast

[polo]

Diamond V XPC YeastNot Dan, but I have been taking about a spoonful a day for 
the last three years and in that time, not one cold, let alone anything else of 
more seriousness (flu,etc). Can't prove it is the XPC, but all I know I have 
been the least sick during that period of taking it of my life. I only take it 
from about October to May and go without in the summer time.

doug


  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:23 PM
  Subject: CS>Diamond V XPC Yeast


  As I recall, someone on the list (Dan?) purchased a quantity of Diamond V XPC 
last year. I was just wondering how they liked it.

  -   Steve N

Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling

[polo]

Ode,

   Yes, you are unquestionably snide and snippy this morning as you suggest 
in your own post. I think you are just as much an "idjit" for being so 
nonchalant about how you process an IV solution as you do me. Are you 
familiar with the  millipore type of syringe filters? Apparently not if you 
make the idjit comment that settling out is better than any filter you can 
buy. You also do not have to purposefully shake a vial for particulates to 
be sent back into solution. One needs to get them out of the vial to prevent 
accidental redistribution.


   So you are resorting to picky linguistics when you criticize my use of 
"pure".  Hehee, give me a break--that doesn't even deserve a response. . I 
have injected non-physiological water based iv solutions with absolutely no 
problems whatsoever, actually my solutions proved very beneficial.  I 
generally admire your posts, but I am starting to have 2nd thoughts, but  I 
still like your machine's design.



doug



- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling





  The bigguns settle out by definition of colloid better than *almost* any
filter you can buy.
  If you shake it up then inject it, yer an idjit. [that might get away
with it]
 "Far worse" doesn't answer the question of how bad straight water might
be or what to do about it.

 So close your eyes and dive, that rock is far worse than the log you
*might* miss...but at least you'll be using your head for "something".
[Sorry if that came across as being a bit snide..no wait, I don't worry
about snide, be as snide as you like.  I seem to like it a lot today, so
duck and shoot back. ]

BTW  There is no such thing as pure water in an impure environment and I
doubt there is or ever was a pure environment anywhere on Earth.
If it was pure, we couldn't live in it.  We require variety and water, a
solvent, soaks it up like a dry sponge...the more pure it is, the dryer 
the

sponge.

The same jug of water will not be the same tomorrow.
How different depends on many factors, most beyond control and the rest
only by degree.

Ode [being a pure snippy curmudgeon this morning...by definition "not
sorry" till tomorrow when "I'm" not the same in the same jug. LOL ]



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Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling

[polo]

I have one of your CS machines and it seems to produce particulate matter 
floating around. Not sure why and I don't think it is any thing bad or 
serious from an oral standpoint, but I would not want to inject these 
particulates into my bloodstream even if there are larger natural particles 
in the blood stream. I  think a filter is a good idea. Oh, I use pure high 
quality distilled water and still get this stuff forming.


No, I am not very worried about not injecting a physiological saline 
solution at all.  There are far worse things to inject than straight water.


doug


- Original Message - 




  If your silver water has live bacteria in it, all is pointless.

The blood has much larger particles in it than .22 microns [ up to 15 
microns?]


I "think" a 10 micron particle will settle out of CSW [EIS]...probably
anything over about 1-3 microns.

I'd be more concerned about what injecting distilled water does...like,
localized dilution of saline balances...what's the tolerable range for 
that?


Ode



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Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling

[polo]

New sterile syringes and needles can easily be had from online 
pet/livestock/vet supply houses.


Many states, you can buy them at feed stores and other livestock/farm supply 
houses like Orsclens.


If you make up your own stuff, one good safe guard is to run all solutions 
through syringe type micro filters at a .22 micron filter to remove 
particulates and bacteria. Asceptic condtions should be religously thrived 
for!


doug 



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Re: CS>Water - Magnesium Bicarbonate

[polo]

I agree too. I make my own and love it for my restless leg syndrome and 
spasms from spinal cord injury.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Annie B Smythe" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Water - Magnesium Bicarbonate



Yep:)

I have two liters of the magnesium carbonate in
the fridge. What is the Cayce Hoxsey mix, and do
you add it to the magnesium carbonate? :)

Annie



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Re: CS>Natural treatments for cancer confirmed

[polo]

Natural treatments for cancer confirmedCool, I love poke root. Much undervalued 
and even worse, surrounded by fear from people who never used it. 

doug


  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:11 AM
  Subject: CS>Natural treatments for cancer confirmed


   Interesting.

  Polo,
  Looks like Pokeweed is getting some good press

   - Steve N

Re: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

[polo]

That was my problem with my dog.  I stopped too soon and she had a reoccurrence 
of her diabetic conditions. I started up again with sodium chlorite for a few 
more weeks and that seemed to do the trick. So, I think the moral to the MMS 
story is not to stop too soon like you would on traditional antibiotic therapy 
as well. Same probably holds true for CS.

Also, I think it is critical to get at diabetes at the very on start. Later on, 
it may be a harder proposition. 

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:10 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE


  The link worked okay for me.  I have diabetes and have use AMMS and when I 
was taking it felt really good.  Stopped, not sure why but only got to nine 
drops instead of the fifteen.  Think I may start the program again and see how 
things go.  
   
  Dianne
   

Re: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

[polo]

Not much is written on MMS and diabetes. The Jim Humble video on 
www.youtube.com is the most exact and detailed account. If you cannot pull up 
the address as I list below, go directly to youtube and put in search: "Jim 
Humble diabetes"---that should pull up the video I refer too. Again the address:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbiN6zS1wk

I have never used CS for diabetic symptoms, so my ideas on it are purely 
theoretical. I think I quit too soon last summer with the sodium chlorite and 
she seemed to have a relapse, upon which I again started her on MMS for a few 
more weeks. That seemed to do the trick and, NO, it has not reoccurred.

doug



  - Original Message - 
  From: orv delany 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:40 AM
  Subject: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE


  Thank you Dave for your help.  mms you said has been shown to exert influence 
on diabetes.  can you point me in the direction to find out more.  the link you 
gave will not pull up, it says incorrect address.   if using cs with a iv might 
help ?  does your dog have any more symptoms ?   thank you orv


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Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[polo]

 I just purchased and read a very intriguing text by Doug Kauffman called 
"Infectious Diabetes". His premise in the book is that diabetes could 
probably be a fungi infection and given the right "terrain" manifest itself 
into diabetes. Kauffman was primarily a nutritionist and he found in his 
early work that prescribing patients with obvious fungi problems like toe 
nail and vaginal infections, a low carb diet with antifungal medication 
often proved very beneficial. He also noticed that many of these same 
patients were diabetic and, accordingly, their diabetes vastly improved at 
the same time. He found that the low carb diet and antifungal medication 
could often drop a patients blood sugar down to normal levels and keep them 
there, but as soon as they went back to their old diet and stopped 
antifungal medications, the old problems came back!  He was excited that he 
may have found a unique break through for diabetics and told some MDs which 
he was working with. They immediately discouraged him from further study 
basing their opinion on the status quo--that diabetes was never treated by 
low carb diets (well in the 1970s) and antifungal medication (even now).

One of the main causes of diabetes as proposed by the American Diabetes 
Assoc is that people are over-weight and they eat too much. Kauffman asks, 
well if 20-30% of the American people are obese, why do not all of the obese 
people develop diabetes? We are missing 60-110 million diabetic cases in the 
rest of the obese population. He reasons that not all obese people get 
diabetes and 10% of type 2 diabetics are NOT over weight. He also finds the 
genetic angle to not hold water of which I will not go into in this post. 
His only logical conclusion is that diabetes is a fungal infection with the 
mycotoxins they produce.

Fungi is every where. We cannot avoid them. Often antibiotic use can 
open up our immune system to terrible fungi infections. There is also very 
real world problem of steroid induced diabetes, Streptozotocin (a fungi 
mycotoxin) induced diabetes, etc, etc.  Might I add here that these and 
others can be linked to fungi infections with the mainstream seemingly 
oblivious to this connection. Could not steroid usage stimulate fungi 
infections or statins which are derived from fungi mycotoxins also suggest 
that diabetes may be fungi based? Kauffman points out that there is evidence 
linking the drinking of cows milk to type 1 diabetes in children and he 
suggests it is the mycotoxin in the fat cells of milk that may be the link. 
The USDA does not screen for mycotoxins and they can be found any where in 
feed stuffs.

History of the Fungi/diabetic link:
1954...uric acid can cause lab animals to develop diabetes
1963..it is found that sacchromyces yeast produces uric acid.
1976...Cryptococcus fungi is found in the islets of langerhans cells 
of two diabetic dying children. Later studies, Cryptococcus is injected into 
lab animals resulting in similar results.  Cryptococcus also produces uric 
acid.

1990..Type 1 diabetes was reportedly cured by using cyclosporin A an 
antifungal.
---
1973.it was shown that mutton is loaded with mycotoxins
1981.a study of preg Icelandic women  who ate cured mutton close to 
their pregnancy gave birth to babies with diabetes.
1980...alloxan (mycotoxin) damages insulin producing beta cells
1981..Stremtozotocin, a mycotoxin was shown to produce diabetes in 
lab animals.
1990...lab rats on a 10% brewers yeast diet developed diabetes
---
1973..common to see cancer patients treated with mycotoxins develop 
diabetes.
1990.lab animals were induced into diabetes with L-asparaginase

Kauffman goes on to point out that a corn mycotoxin that is commonly found 
on corn may be one reason why there seems to be a diabetic epidemic in Latin 
America. Asperigillus niger is another fungi that is found in many 
foodstuffs, particularly peanuts and corn. It generates oxalic acid in large 
amounts which can inhibit our cells that convert carbohydrates into energy 
leading to high blood sugar.

Sulfa drugs are commonly used to control blood sugar in diabetics by 
stimulating the pancreas. It is not normally recognized that sulfa drugs are 
also antifungals.  The use of statin drugs have been shown to coincidently 
lower the risks of producing diabetes. Antifungal means anticholesterol! 
The anti-cholesterol drugs were discovered accidently because researchers 
were looking for antifungal medications!  They found the statin group work 
against fungi because they inhibit an enzyme that our bodies need to process 
cholesterol. Fungi depend on cholesterol  for survival Stopping cholesterol 
production in the fungi is an effective antifungal mechanism. Statin drugs 
are fungally derived and are mycotoxins.  Fungi can produce cholesterol as 
well., So the ability of statin drugs to inhibit the enzyme 

Re: CS>Question on Tincturing - polo

[polo]

Question on Tincturing - poloSteve,

I am not really very familiar with ethyl lactate, but from what I have 
read, it could offer some valuable possibilities, I should think. 

The traditional solvents in medicine have been 1) water, 2) alcohol 
(ethanol mostly) 3) glycerin, 4) propylene glycol, 5) Isopropyl alcohol, 6) 
ether, 7) petroleum benzine, 8) Chloroform, 9) carbon disulfide), etc. Of 
course, which and how the solvent is used to extract is dependent on many 
things of which I wont go into. Ethanol, water, and glycerin has been very 
popular in tincture making because of low toxicity and extraction qualities. 
The key is to use a solvent (menstruum) that will extract the active desirable 
properties and leave behind the inert undesirable ones. Not all solvents will 
do this. Alcohol would be indicated for active resinous drugs, diluted alcohol 
for simple bitter tonics, cathartics, etc, and diluted alcohol with glycerin 
for astringent drugs, etc. 

doug

Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,

[polo]

This European ban has been found to be a internet hoax. Some regulations 
were added to labeling, but that is all.


doug


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Re: CS>one for kibitzing

[polo]

Steve,

   Thanks for your comment and idea. I will most certainly look into it as 
I have not really thought of silver citrate.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: CS>one for brooks - kibitzing



Doug,

I hope you don't mind another kibitzing input for what was a message to 
Brooks. The length of time release in the study you referenced is 
impressive. I think you have a good idea. However, I might suggest using 
silver citrate over EIS or colloidal silver in this application. Silver 
citrate can be made in higher concentrations. Tests have shown that it can 
even be reduced to a powder and reconstituted. It also has demonstrated a 
high antimicrobial capability. It might be a good fit for your 
application.


Best of luck,
   Steve N



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Re: CS>one for brooks

[polo]

Bob,

It sounds all good in theory, just stop DMSO application a day before, but 
life never ends up being quite that simple on the track. Metabolism rates, 
dosages, skilled help, delivery method, etc, etc, all figure in to a very 
confusing picture when it comes to getting stuck with a possible drug positive. 
I have long found that banned drugs should be handled very carefully even 
beyond the proper withholding recommendations. Plus there are so many gray 
cases of guessing whether a horse is infected or not, that it is often a good 
idea to nebulize as close to the race as possible, even on race day. 
Maintenance therapy is good too, beyond what we may consider a cured 
individual. 

Biofilm infections of the lungs can easily be multi-specie colonies 
consisting of fungi and bacteria and probably other forms living 
synergistically. I  have found native American herbs to be just as effective as 
Yu Nan Bai and I only give one 150ml bottle versus your 6.

doug
  - Original Message - 
The state I reside in (CA) allows DMSO as late as the day before a race 
if I'm not mistaken.  I do believe alot of horses bleed due to fungal 
infections in the lung tissue... but that is only part of the problem.  In 
Chinese medicine it is due to "dry heat"  or "heat" in the lung and  wind 
invading. Regardless, delivering CS with DMSO via a nebulizer might be a good 
idea but if you're going to try and clear up an infection you should do it 
between races, not right before or the day of.  That way there is no problem 
with DMSO either.  We use Yu Nan Bai Yao very successfully.  This stops 
bleeding internally.  Give 6 bottles the morning of the race.  Works better 
than lasix without the side effects.  

  Bob

Re: CS>one for brooks

[polo]

Bob.

It has been my experience that CS will not curb bleeding. In my specialty 
of pulmonary bleeding on the race track, horses tend to bleed and the 
traditional veterinary protocol is to inject them with lasix, a diuretic, which 
some times helps. Many times, it does not. Also, vets seem not to know why 
performance horses bleed from the lungs. It is my experience and theory that 
they bleed because they have a biofilm lung infection which is very hard to 
diagnose, culture and treat with conventional antibiotics. DMSO and CS seems 
some what effective as long as we can work around the state ban on DMSO given 
in the vicinity time frame of a race. I think liposomal CS may offer a much 
needed option to striking at the heart of this bleeding problem by aiming at 
the offending biofilm infection and not be curbing the bleeding directly per se.

doug
  - Original Message - 



  Doug,

Have you used CS as a treatment for bleeders?  If so, how do you do 
this.  Thanks.

Bob

Re: CS>one for brooks

[polo]

Brooks,

Thanks for your time and insight. 

Yes, I have used DMSO/CS and find it very efficient in biofilm conditions. The 
only problem is that most USA horse racing jurisdiction have DMSO on a banned 
substance list. Not good for on going treatment, and it is one impetus for me 
to find new protocols.

I am a bit taken aback by your warning of not "fiddling/experimenting",  even 
if I were a professional of which I do consider myself. I have been treating 
racehorses for over 30 years. I would suspect, if you see some of these animals 
come back to the saddling area gushing blood from their nostrils, you might 
change your mind. Particularly when our vets seem powerless to help. All they 
can offer is a few CCs of lasix as a preventive. I should think some fiddling 
and experimenting in a logical manner would be very much to the benefit of 
these animals. I have never caused harm yet.

I think you misunderstood me. I was not trying to produce liposomal CS via the 
ultrasonic or compressor type nebulizers. I was using them as a delivery device 
only for a home-made liposomal CS product made under your recommendations (only 
using CS instead of Vit C) from the harbor fright ultrasound cleanerand 
only then placing the finished liposomal CS product in one or the other type of 
that nebulizer for delivery into the lungs. 

At any rate, thanks again.

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brooks Bradley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:18 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>one for brooks


  I have only a few moments of time, at present. However, I offer a couple of 
comments on your inquiry. 
  First, there are a wide variety of enzymes which will act as 
solvents/penetrants of MANY membrane-type tissues/films. Bromelain 
  is one (a very effective one) of many. Some enzymes are "narrow spectrum" in 
effect and some are "wide spectrum". I have no knowledge of the effects of 
specific enzymes on the effectiveness/enhancement of antibiotics. 
  Briefly, the most effective liposomal substances are...as a general 
rulethe smallest in particle size. Ultrasonic 
  devices and HIGH PRESSURE DIFFRACTION DEVICES are, at present, the most 
effective for accomplishing this. Conventional air compressors could serve, 
quite adequately, in a large number of applications. The proviso being that one 
is aware that geometry 
  of the discharge assembly is of great importance (small particles are vital 
to non-injurious success). 
  We have utilized 90% colloidal silver X 10% DMSO SOLUTIONS to very powerful 
effect in addressing serious pulmonary insults in equines (all ages). We have 
not used enzymes in direct-address situations involving horses. Primarily, 
because nothing we have ever evaluated has approached the ability of DMSO as a 
mucous-barrier penetrating agent. Coarse-particled 
  gases (liquid mixtures) pose a potential threat for enabling pneumonia-type 
insults. 
  Liposomal encapsulation does, indeed, offer some profound 
advantages.especially when utilized through proper 
  supporting equipment. However, I would counsel that "fiddling/experimenting" 
with pulmonary challenges among horses, by inexperienced persons (even 
professionals), is a very DANGEROUS endeavor. The least threatening/effective 
protocols we have ever utilized involved oxygen-driven fluids which were 
micro-sized and furnished via systems of the re-breather type. 
  I must go now. I hope these comments are of value to you. 
  Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. 

CS>one for brooks

[polo]

Hopefully Brooks will have time to consider and comment on this.

I have long been interested in protocols that will efficiently attack 
biofilm infections. It seems that inhaled (nebulized) liposomal medications are 
very effective in penetrating very difficult to treat lung biofilms. Some 
recent studies have suggested that liposomal antibiotics are superb treatments. 
Here is one:

http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/61/4/859


The above study used a compressor type of nebulizer (nebulizer PARI LC 
Star).   Anyway, I would like to try liposomal colloidal silver in a nebulizer 
for biofilm lung infections, particularly in racehorses. Normally we use 
ultrasonic nebulizers as opposed to the older compressor type nebulizers as was 
used in the above study. Ultrasound nebulizers vaporize the medication into 
super small droplets that can be pushed into the lung via an air jet. The older 
compressor type uses a small air compressor to vaporize the inhaled medication 
producing larger medication particles to be breathed in. Naturally, the 
ultrasound nebulizer technology produces small droplet size which is more 
conducive to lung inhalation efficacy. 

What I would like to know, do you see any problems with producing colloidal 
silver liposomes using your home made protocol and (2) would an ultrasonic 
nebulizer be detrimental to the liposomal structure? Would an older compressor 
type nebulizer as used in the study be better in putting liposomes into 
solution for inhalation purposes or would the newer utrasonic nebulizers not 
over-whelming affect liposomal structure upon vaporzation or might it even be 
beneficial?

As a side note, I want to add that heavy metals seem particularly effective 
against biofilms of which I would venture a guess that colloidal silver would 
be a superb medication, if one could only get it to be absorbed by the biofilm. 
Liposomal technology may be the key!

doug

Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[polo]

I have used nebulizers on racehorses since the 1980s and we all used the 
ultrasonic types that were from the human sector. They worked just fine. If you 
keep an eye on ebay, you can some times come up with some decent, 
useful,,AND CHEAP surplus hospital equipment. A few years ago, I 
bought a nice heavey duty devilbliss unit for under $25 and it works just fine. 
If you need one now,  that could pose problems for reasonable costs. It seems 
to me that one could adapt ultrasonic humidifiers to equine use, but I have 
never tried it. 

doug

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:03 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>equine nebulizer


  Garnet
   
  I looked on line for equine nebulizer but got lost int he shuffle.  Do you 
have a suggestion as to what model or type to use?
  My girlfriend has the headset and hose but can't find the rest.  I do want 
the foggy effect and not droplets.
   
  Dianne
   

Re: CS>DMSO and Chaga

[polo]

Re: CS>DMSO and ChagaI used pure DMSO, undiluted on propolis. I need to try a 
1:4 ratio, but cannot comment on if it would be better or not. 

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lisa 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:37 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>DMSO and Chaga


  Hi Doug,

   

  I've got some propolis from my beehives (kept in the freezer so it is a 
couple years old). What ratio would you suggest in making a tincture with it?

   

  Thx

   

  Lisa

   

Re: CS>DMSO and Chaga

[polo]

Re: CS>DMSO and ChagaI have been intrigued with the chaga fungi as well, but I 
have yet to find one growing. Birches are not that common in my region. I see 
no reason why DMSO could not extract its components as well as the traditional 
ethanol menstruums. The only logical thing is for you to try both and see what 
you think. That is what I do. I tincture most all herbs in both DMSO or ethanol 
and use and compare the two. I have yet to be disappointed with DMSO tinctures. 
In many cases, the DMSO tincture seems a richer tincture and just as effective, 
if not more so. Certainly if you are aining at a topical medicaiton, DMSO is 
far superior to an ethanol one! It particularly produces a nice bee propolis 
tincture as compared to ethanol.

Generally, DMSO is considered to dissolve about almost everything. There does 
seem to be some exceptions. Amino acids, dipeptides and some other similar 
zwitterionic compounds,  greasy hydrocarbons can all prove a problem for DMSO. 
DMSO will not absorb molecules with a molecular weight over 1000---but then, 
most of the time, large molecules are poorly absorbable in the biologic being 
any way. Drugs which will not dissolve: chloroquine diphosphate, ciprofloxacin 
(some of the other fluoroquinolines as well) and drugs with quaternary amines. 
A large majority of  compounds seen to best be dissolved in 1:4 water:DMSO 
mixtures.  

doug
  - Original Message - 




  Peter,
  This may be best answered by Doug, Malcolm or Renee who have more tincture 
experience than I. The Chaga mushroom looks very interesting.  Tincturing of 
muchrooms is common and in fact my first tincture was of a fungus because of 
the high cost of the commercial tincture.
  One problem of tincturing is determining the type of solvent the targeted 
substances are soluble in. Generally I prefer to extract all the components 
within an herb so I use an alcohol tincture that should extract both water and 
oil soluble components. More recently I have also used DMSO to help increase 
the boiavailibility of some substances that have a low bioavailibility. Also 
some substances are more soluble in DMSO although some are not.
  Finding the solubility of all the individual components within a plant is 
difficult if not sometimes impossible. Up till recently I used a water 
extraction, decoction, or alcohol or DMSO tincture. Lately I have been 
considering alcohol with DMSO in a single tincture but I don't for sure that 
that it is better.
  In answer to your question, DMSO can improve bioavailability esp with 
substances that have a lower biiavailability normally. It may not always be 
necessary but it won't hurt that I know of. I think that it might be good to 
use with Chaga given the large number of substances contained in it.

   - Steve N

Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[polo]

   Medicinal Properties of Poke Root:  Medical qualities which 
have been linked to Poke are alternative (metabolism balancer), anodyne 
(painkiller), antifungal, antiviral, anti-inflammatory, antirheumatic, 
antitumor (cancer fighting), cathartic (bowel evacuation), emetic (induce 
vomiting),  immune stimulant, laxative, and lymphatic decongestant.  Quite 
an impressive list, eh? This is probably why much of traditional Herbalogy 
is poo-poohed by the medical professions.  How can a medicine have so many 
uses?  Certainly the modern refined drugs have only one or two specific 
indications. Well, this is exactly the reason why many herbs have multiple 
medical indications. Plants are not refined, single drugs, but a package of 
many chemical compounds which work together to make that unique plant 
viable.  When one prescribes a whole herb extract, a whole series of 
extracted components are being given to the patient, not one.  Luckily, most 
of these plant compounds are synergistic and will often improve the 
medicinal values of the complete plant extract as a remedy.  As is the 
nature of the beast, that extract can have multiple uses and influences on 
varied metabolic functions.
















 Poke was first judiciously utilized and known in 19th century 
medicine as a emetic and cathartic.  Those were the days when our medical 
physicians highly relied on the process of purging body toxins via both the 
mouth and anus as a routine method of achieving lost health.  Such body 
evacuations have long gone out of fashion which is why I think Poke has been 
dismissed as a valuable medicinal herb.  It was the Eclectics of the last 
century that saw in Poke (Phytolacca) something much more valuable than its 
purging properties.


  John King's American Dispensatory reviews the other virtues of 
Poke.  It says Poke is an important therapeutic aid in skin conditions.  It 
will kill scabies infestations, sooth inflamed skin, and aid in healing 
dermal abscesses/ulcerations/boils.  Phytolacca is indicated in chronic 
eczema, psoriasis, varicose veins, syphilitic types of eruptions, fissures, 
and painful lymphatic enlargements.  It can be employed both internally and 
externally for such conditions.  King's text further praises the usefulness 
of Poke in diseases of the mouth and throat:   laryngitis, tracheitis, 
influenza, diphtheria, tonsillitis, stomatitis, follicular pharyngitis, and 
ordinary sore mouth.  It will stimulate the mucous membranes of the mouth 
and promote glandular activity.  Sore, irritated, inflamed throats have been 
cured by it.  The Eclectics held Poke in the highest esteem in glandular 
conditions of the mammary.  It shines as a remedy in acute mastitis.  It has 
further been shown of value in treating granular conjunctivitis and other 
eye inflammations.  It holds relieve for certain rheumatic conditions.  King 
describes the use of the root and leaves: "The root, roasted in hot ashes 
until soft, and then mashed and applied as a poultice, is unrivaled in 
felons (purulent infection) and tumors of various kinds. It discusses them 
rapidly, or if too far advanced, hastens their suppuration."  He goes on to 
tell that an infusion of the bruised leaves may be applied to indolent 
ulcers with the best of results.  Phytolacca has had a long history as a 
cancer fighting herb.  One of its name is Cancerroot.


  The benefits of Poke Root as an immune stimulant and lymphatic 
decongestant is a more modern revelation.  Simon Mills in his text, 
Principals and Practice of Phytotherapy, describes the immunological 
stimulating properties of Poke.  He cites PWM (poke weed mitogen) as the 
factor which stimulates lymphocyte production and increases the number of 
blood plasma cells.  Poke, also, contains LSF (lymphocyte stimulating 
factors) which induces lymphocytes to differentiate into lgM-secreting cells 
and multiply as such.  Further, LSF causes polyclonal B-cells to 
differentiate into lgM-secreting cells.  Lastly, there seems to be an 
antiviral protein present showing laboratory activity against many plant and 
animal viruses.




 - Original Message - 
 From: Melly Bag

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:21 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>DMSO and poke


   Forgive me for butting in, but what is pokeweed good for?


<><><><>

Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[polo]

www.racehorseherbal.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Lisa" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: CS>DMSO and poke



Doug what's your website?



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Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[polo]

Oh, just reimburse me for the postage and I can send you some fresh root. It 
needs to be dug after our first frost which is a ways off yet. Berries would 
be much harder and I don't generally pick or sell them.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: CS>DMSO and poke



Doug,

I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting.
Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different 
pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed 
(PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III 
from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination 
of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come 
across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with 
mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties.


I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with 
any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the 
highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not 
eat the seeds.


When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not 
cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see 
that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your 
prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for 
each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The 
rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if 
there are enough.


Thanks,
Steve N



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Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[polo]

Steve,

   I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you 
are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry 
herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used 
and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you 
tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would 
likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for 
ethanol.


   DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, 
just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in 
ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal 
tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High 
purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture 
spoil.


   I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination 
menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a 
solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if 
one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more 
efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an 
advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by 
either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb 
in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be 
ok to my way of thinking.


   The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines 
from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root 
tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root 
is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are 
highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the 
young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal 
distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that 
vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly 
by the puke & cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the 
widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young 
children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe 
so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some 
way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries 
were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all 
things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in 
smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a 
superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO 
tincture.


doug


- Original Message - 


Doug,
A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using
the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you
recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering if
you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am considering a
DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried something similar. If
you do, would you need to combine the herb and DMSO  and let it set
first before adding the vodka, to maximize bonding between DMSO and herb
components rather than DMSO bonding with alcohol?
I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic
components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder the
pokeweed and then go through several soaking in water. Throwing away the
water after each soaking before tincturing to eliminate the toxic
substances? Or would you recommend an extraction using a non polar
solvent to remove only the non water soluble components of the pokeweed?
Thanks,
Steve N



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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[polo]

Good idea, thanks

d


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C




Polo,
DaddyBob points out an important step if you want the best encapsulation 
success:


"... blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar or 
"Blender Bottle" until dissolved. Do not let it set."


Use of a blender or shaker dramatically improves the process. I would 
recommend it be added to your description.

Regards,
Steve N



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Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[polo]

I think a better book would be "INFECTIOUS DIABETES" by Doug Kaufmann. Talk 
about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based as is the 
book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of sodium chlorite 
for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was with my dog that 
seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have reversed it with 
sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics



I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or incomplete
descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page 68
he says: "combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
chlorite..".  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a liquid,
so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before converting
drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works out
to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was a
huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount recommended
would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
them at worst.

So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about it
anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There he
says to "add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite solution".
Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
others may not be so fortunate.

But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach, which
then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this improve
your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

Marshall



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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[polo]

My pleasure! May I thank Brooks Bradley for his kindness in sharing his 
information, and I am only trying to distribute his information further.  I 
hope I did him justice.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Sandy" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C



Doug...

Thank you very much for putting this LET info in one place. Now we can 
easily send people to your site to get all the ins and outs of what they 
need to know to make LET vit. C.


Greatly appreciated!

Sandy



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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[polo]

You might check out my new webpage:

http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Infections/LET/let.html

I tried to summarize everything,

doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Garnet" 

To: "silver >> Siilver List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C


Does anyone have a comprehensive document on how to make 
Liposomal Vit C that includes all aspects of the process. I 
would like to post it to a new LDN Forum where people are 
discussing using it but they are buying it.


I don't want to post a series of unintegrated emails if 
someone has a more recent collation of the methods.


Thanks,

Garnet



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Re: CS>Re:MMS ENCAPSULATION

[polo]

It appears to me that since MMS's medicinal action involves the formation of 
the gas, chlorine dioxide, that trying to encapsulate a gas is impossible. NO?

doug