CSLink to the CS/antibiotics compatibility test
Here is a link to the CS/antibiotics compatibility test. It was provided at the Guardian Silver site. - Steve N http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/oct102006/926.pdf Bactericidal activity of combinations of Silver-Water Dispersion(tm) with 19 antibiotics against seven microbial strains Antibiotic discs used in this investigation are standardized discs by Pathoteq Biological Laboratories, India: Amoxicillin (AX, 30 mcg), Carbenicillin (CN, 100 mcg), Cefoperazone (CP, 75 mcg), Ceftizidime (FG, 30 mcg), Ciprofloxacin (RC, 5 mcg), Clindamycin (CD, 2 mcg), Doxycycline (DX, 30 mcg), Erythromycin (ER, 15 mcg), Gentamycin (GM, 10 mcg), Kanamycin (KA, 30 mcg), Nalidixic Acid (NA, 30 mcg), Oxacillin (OC, 1 mcg), Penicillin-G (PG, 10 units), Rifampin (RF, 5 mcg), Streptomycin (SM, 10 mcg), Tetracycline(TE, 5 mcg) Tobramycin (TB, 10 mcg) and Trimethoprim (TP, 5 mcg). The organisms used are: E. coli (MDR) strain from stool sample; Ps. aeruginosa (multiple-drug resistant) strain from sputum. These two strains were obtained from P.D. Hinduja Hospital (Mumbai); Methicillin-resistant S. aureus was obtained from Lokmanya Tilak Muncipal Hospital. Shigella flexneri, Salmonella typhi, S. aureus 6538 P, Bacillus subtilis and Candida albicans are in-house laboratory strains. Thus the number of tests completed was 96 out of the possible 133 between 19 antibiotics and seven organisms. The test showed that five combinations were synergistic, 89 dditive and two antagonistic. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSre cs antibiotics
Hi Steve Norton, I agree with what you wrote about NCCAM. The original intent was to research Alternative Medicine. From its inception, however, the agency has down nothing but slam anything that isn't orthodox. Of course there favorite reference sources are: Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (a government agency), National Cancer Institute (Tool of the Drug companies), etc. Basically, the NCCAM purpose is to belittle, negate, or ignore the benefits; to scare away the websurfer from using what ever isn't orthodox medicine. There are a few favorable references to Acupuncture, but not much more. http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/ Colloidal silver may interfere with the body's absorption of the following drugs: penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine. and The words may is the keyword. Of course NCCAM ignores a Brigham-Young Clinical Study. -- This study, published in the journal Current Science in 2006, found that a 19 antibiotic drugs which had previously been able to kill MDR (multiple drug-resistant) pathogens such as MRSA could be restored to full efficacy against the deadly pathogens, but only if a liquid silver solution similar to colloidal silver (a stabilized form of CS called Silver Water Suspension) was used in conjunction with these drugs. The original study noted: Nineteen antibiotics were checked in combination with Silver–Water Dispersion™ solution against seven microbial organisms for synergism. Those combinations of individual antibiotics with Silver– Water Dispersion™ that displayed synergism were further evaluated through the checkerboard method. Synergistic activity of Silver–Water Dispersion™ solution in combination with nineteen antibiotics was tested against seven bacterial strains, except where an organism was known to be resistant to the antibiotic. Out of 96 tests, five were synergistic, 89 additive, and two antagonistic To validate the results of Amoxicillin antagonism,30 mcg dilution of Amoxicillin was prepared in Silver– Water Dispersion™ (32 ppm) solution. 100 ml of this combination was added to a single well, and kept for diffusion followed by incubation. No antagonistic effectswere noted under these conditions as the zone of inhibition observed was 19 mm, comparable to 20 mm with a Silver–Water Dispersion™ and 21 mm with Amoxicillin. Whereas well B having a combination of Penicillin-G and Silver–Water Dispersion ™ demonstrates the powerful clearing ability of Silver–Water Dispersion The study noted that Ciprofloxacin when added to the Silver showed effectiveness that was additive against a variety of pathogens. Ciprofloxacin is a quinolone. Tetracycline was made even more effective with Silver TM. http://www.ihsite.com/user/silver%20water%20dispersion%5D.pdf And a more recent Iranian Clinical Study – This study also found that silver increases the effectiveness of antibiotic drugs against staph infections. The researchers concluded: “The antibacterial activities of penicillin G, amoxicillin, erythromycin, clindamycin, and vancomycin were increased in the presence of silver nano-particles (Ag-NPs) against both test strains. The highest enhancing effects were observed for vancomycin, amoxicillin, and penicillin G against S. aureus. From the synthesis of metallic nanoparticles of silver using a reduction of aqueous Ag+ ion ). NCCAM Searching Silver on the NCCAM site references Silver build-up in the body of animals. However they neglect to mention these studies were based on Silver Nitrate was given to lab rats, dogs, monkeys. The amounts given were 89 milligrams per Kilogram of body weight. As to Penicillamine: a pharmaceutical of the chelator class. It is sold under the trade names of Cuprimine and Depen. The pharmaceutical form is D-penicillamine, as L-penicillamine is toxic (it inhibits the action of pyridoxine). It is a metabolite of penicillin, although it has no antibiotic properties. Penicillamine is used as a chelating agent for rare diseases. In Wilson's disease, a rare genetic disorder of copper metabolism, penicillamine treatment relies on its binding to accumulated copper and elimination through urine. In cystinuria, a hereditary disorder featuring formation of cystine stones, penicillamine binds with cysteine to to yield a mixed disulfide which is more soluble than cystine. These are both hereditary disorders and uncommon to rare, (cystinuria is found in 562 out of one million infants screened). Penicillamine has been used to treat mercury poisoning. (So has Silver Chloride). The only reference I can find about Silver and Thryoxine and drug interactions all come from the same source and are repeated verbatim on umpteen websites. The source? The NCCAM website. Regards, Steve Foss -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post,
RE: CSRe: CS antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery
The Body Electric Robert O. Becker. -Original Message- From: jrowland [mailto:sarongs...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:35 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: CS antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery CS promoting/creating stem cell growth? Do we have any info on this, other than: Nancy writes: ...CS is alleged to help the body create new stem cells in the wound to regrow tissue... Charles writes: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:46 -0500 From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: CSKnees ...The buz is that EIS will create stem cells, but I only use it for prevention of nasties jr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/06 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I may have expressed myself badly. I read a post here about someone who cut off the end of their finger and regrew it after dipping it in CS. Perhaps causing cells to dedifferentiate would be a better way to say it, so they can form new cells of the proper kind. I couldn't seem to find the post about the finger in my files. But when I had to amputate my duck's leg that was dying from a bad break, it was mid-drum stick so the open bone was exposed and I tried to sew the adjacent skin over the end of the bone but didn't have much to work with. A scab formed over the end of the bone and within 4 weeks after dipping the stub 2x a day and applying salve and a bandage, pink skin had formed over the end of the bone. (Maybe ducks are powerfully regenerative?) The bandage usually disappeared before the next treatment so that the stub was dragged around on the ground, in unsanitary conditions. I never saw any signs of infection. The duck lived two more years hopping around on one foot. She never returned to laying the normal number of eggs, though. Golden 300 ducks can lay 300+ eggs in a year.:-) Who needs cultured meat when you can have duck eggs? Nancy -- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:35:13 -0800 From: jrowland sarongs...@cox.net CS promoting/creating stem cell growth? Do we have any info on this, other than: Nancy writes: ...CS is alleged to help the body create new stem cells in the wound to regrow tissue... Charles writes: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:46 -0500 From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: CSKnees ...The buz is that EIS will create stem cells, but I only use it for prevention of nasties jr -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: CS antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery
Read the abstract of Dr. Becker's patent where he inserts two fine silver wires at the ends of a surgical wound and applies a voltage of less than one volt. It says that the process converts base cells into stem cells and heals. Visit www.silverlon.com and review the clinical pictures and read where it is stated that the body fuilds causes silver ions to come off the bandage and causes the base cells to become stem cells. They used to have a photograph of a man's finger that was cut-off just behind the nail and with the use of the silverlon bandage the finger grew back including the nail in about 4 months. I have a picture of that but it is to big to send over the list. Ole Bob
CSRe: CS antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery
CS promoting/creating stem cell growth? Do we have any info on this, other than: Nancy writes: ...CS is alleged to help the body create new stem cells in the wound to regrow tissue... Charles writes: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:46 -0500 From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: CSKnees ...The buz is that EIS will create stem cells, but I only use it for prevention of nasties jr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/06 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Have you tried oxygen therapies? Not yet but plan to in the future if I get a chance. I have tryed peroxide baths and that does help. With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the neurological damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of this effect. I took one and it was wired to the ceiling time. Be careful of all the fluoroquinilones. There was more to it than just being tired. That was just one of the problems. I know that floxin or any antibotic isn't good for a person if they have to take it long term but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. With out them I run the risk of having another heart attack, can't function enough to carry on my daily life, and it just eats my nerves up. It's so bad at times that I can't stand sound or light. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the neurological damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of this effect. I took one and it was wired to the ceiling time. Be careful of all the fluoroquinilones. There was more to it than just being tired. That was just one of the problems. I know that floxin or any antibotic isn't good for a person if they have to take it long term but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. With out them I run the risk of having another heart attack, can't function enough to carry on my daily life, and it just eats my nerves up. It's so bad at times that I can't stand sound or light. What if the CS made you tired from die off of candida or???, have you been tested for yeast? Sorry, just trying to help. I read candida may be causative for CFS symptoms. Deb Debbie McDonald I've considered yeast as a posibility for some of my problems. God knows as much antibotics that I've had ran through me that I should have a massive yeast infection. The one thing that rules that out is that I was 90%+ cured a little while back with IV clafrin. The bug that has me is right under my skin. It's a fiberglass fealing that is slowly working it's way into my muscles and other parts of my body. I know that it has an effect on my nerves and veins. I believe that it shrinks my veins and possability causes them to harden. I know it does that to my nerves because the more moving around that I do the works it gets. I can take some thing to make me sleep for a few days and some of my pain and problems go away or atleast lessen. That non movement of the nerves gives them time to mend some. The area that the infection (soft tissue) makes it hard to cure with antibotics or anything for that matter. I think that is why the floxin works so good on me because it gets to the nerves. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Have you tried oxygen therapies? At 01:46 PM 10/9/98 -0500, you wrote: With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the neurological damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of this effect. I took one and it was wired to the ceiling time. Be careful of all the fluoroquinilones. There was more to it than just being tired. That was just one of the problems. I know that floxin or any antibotic isn't good for a person if they have to take it long term but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. With out them I run the risk of having another heart attack, can't function enough to carry on my daily life, and it just eats my nerves up. It's so bad at times that I can't stand sound or light. What if the CS made you tired from die off of candida or???, have you been tested for yeast? Sorry, just trying to help. I read candida may be causative for CFS symptoms. Deb Debbie McDonald I've considered yeast as a posibility for some of my problems. God knows as much antibotics that I've had ran through me that I should have a massive yeast infection. The one thing that rules that out is that I was 90%+ cured a little while back with IV clafrin. The bug that has me is right under my skin. It's a fiberglass fealing that is slowly working it's way into my muscles and other parts of my body. I know that it has an effect on my nerves and veins. I believe that it shrinks my veins and possability causes them to harden. I know it does that to my nerves because the more moving around that I do the works it gets. I can take some thing to make me sleep for a few days and some of my pain and problems go away or atleast lessen. That non movement of the nerves gives them time to mend some. The area that the infection (soft tissue) makes it hard to cure with antibotics or anything for that matter. I think that is why the floxin works so good on me because it gets to the nerves. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the neurological damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of this effect. I took one and it was wired to the ceiling time. Be careful of all the fluoroquinilones. What if the CS made you tired from die off of candida or???, have you been tested for yeast? Sorry, just trying to help. I read candida may be causative for CFS symptoms. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Sorry to prove you wrong but it did cancel out the effects of the antibotics in me and I had to quit taking the CS. The way that I know is the antibotics that I take give me energy and wake me up plus other things. With out them I sleep all the time. After about 2 weeks I started going down hill and the antibotics wasn't working any more. About 2-3 days after I stopped the CS they started working again. Some people haven't had problems with mixing the two and I think that it makes a difference in the type of antibotics that the person is taking. Myself I was on floxin and zithromax at the time. Reid, There are lots of possible explanations. You say acidophillus cause intestinal bleeding in you? Gasto-intestinal disturbances are the most frequently reported adverse affects of zithromax. You are concurrently using the EMEM-2? The acidophillus bleeding problem was before I even knew about the EMEM-2 device or Rife. I took it as advized by my doctor and 1-2 days later I was bleeding. The bleeding stopped when I quit taking the acidophillus. What other meds, diet changes, electrobiophysical experimentations are you doing? Floxin and Zithromax have somewhat overlapping toxicities to the kidneys. 25% of Floxin is bound to plasma protein. Ag precipitates plasma protein. The normal dose for Zithromax is one day. Occassionally it is give 3 or even 4 days. Thats pushing it. One patient took it for nine days and suffered irreversible renal failure (Mansoor GA,et al. Azithromycin-induced acute interstitial nephritis. Ann Intern Med 1993; 119: 636-7). Perhaps you were experiencing a die-off rxn? Did you run any tests (liver function, kidney function, blood chem, stools) to zero in on what is really going on? Reid, I'd have to see something more than energy levels in one person. I've seen nothing in the literature as to an interaction of any antibiotic and CS, nor can I think I think up a plausible counteraction. On the other hand, in many cases they may work in an additive fashion. I am not an apologist for CS and don't sell it. My comments are intended in a constructive spirit. Regards, Vincent The doctor at the time gave me a pad of antibotics and said try each one for a few days then try combinations of them and see what helps. I went through each one for a week at a time and none helped alot. Then after a few combinations of both I found floxin and zithromax worked. At the time I was sleeping from 14 to 18 hours a day. I found that if I took that combination at 6:00am and went back to sleep that at 9:00am I would wake up and feal good. I had energy, didn't hurt, and was able to carry on with daily tasks. That's been over 7 years ago and the only thing that has kept me going. With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Vincent: Your posts are excellent - to see where we are heading re. pharmaceuticals the following site is must see. Once you get into it you won't be able leave it... Check out the BERLIN TRIBUNAL http://www.rath.nl/GB/hot1.htm Chris Gupta At 12:38 PM 10/7/98 -0700, VGammill wrote: [snip] Ask yourself if it is in the interest of the pharmaceutical giants to cure you at a reasonable price, or keep you paying through the nose forever. Ask yourself if it is in the interest of those who mind the government coffers for you to live forever in perfect health collecting those benefits, or is it in their interest for you to keel over at age 65. I would not be surprised to learn that the government and the pharmaceutical industry are toying around with chronic diseases of the future to protect themselves against the nightmarish eventuality that everyone has learned to wipe out their own cancer, heart disease, c.. On the other hand that would be a perfect excuse to raise the allowable amounts on all the carcinogens in our food, air, and water. Lets keep our fingers crossed that natural antibiotics such as CS and usnea will prove their mettle in the political-economic healthcare wars to come. Vincent Gammill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Mike Devour writes: Hello Vincent! You just saw the perfect example of why we *never* spout absolutes in this forum. Well, maybe not *never!* GRIN There is so much diversity of experience among our members that there will be exceptions to nearly every assumption you can make. Mike, What may have come across as pontification re the combination of CS and antibiotics was actually an effort to keep things simple and straightforward for people who may not have a lot of time on their hands to mull over technical matters. CS does not negate any of the usual antibiotics by any of the known routes by which antibiotic work. But, all prescription antibiotics have a plethora of unwanted side effects. Likewise, all the transition metals (even CS) have unwanted effects in high dosages. These unwanted effects can be compounded. I do not have strong biases pro or con CS. But laying cards on the table--pro: It would be wonderful to have a simple natural antibiotic without significant side effects that can be kept forever in the hands of the people and forever out of the hands of the pharmaceutical giants and the FDA. And, con: The existence of CS antedates the sulfa drugs and penicillin. It did nothing that I know of to help in the flu epidemic of 1918, nor did it help in syphilis, TB, and polio. I don't want to confuse issues by discussing antibiotics and antiseptics in the same message, but Ag is very effective as such. I've seen AgNO3 used to irrigate an infected thorasic cavity after coronary bypass surgery. So many of the other antiseptics that have been in common use are very very harmful--ortho phenylphenol which was used in Lysol, not to mention all the quaternary ammonium compounds that are now used with so little concern. There are other everyday chemicals in common use I suspect cause enormous harm, but it would be not be sensible to discuss them without serious proof--not when major industries would be harmed and perhaps unfairly. I would like to see the whole pharmaceutical industry wither away for the simple reason that their patent medicines aren't need or wanted. But can that happen when the profits are so addictive? All of allopathic medicine came together last century for simple purpose of quashing their homeopathic and botanic low-dollar competitors. Ask yourself if it is in the interest of the pharmaceutical giants to cure you at a reasonable price, or keep you paying through the nose forever. Ask yourself if it is in the interest of those who mind the government coffers for you to live forever in perfect health collecting those benefits, or is it in their interest for you to keel over at age 65. I would not be surprised to learn that the government and the pharmaceutical industry are toying around with chronic diseases of the future to protect themselves against the nightmarish eventuality that everyone has learned to wipe out their own cancer, heart disease, c.. On the other hand that would be a perfect excuse to raise the allowable amounts on all the carcinogens in our food, air, and water. Lets keep our fingers crossed that natural antibiotics such as CS and usnea will prove their mettle in the political-economic healthcare wars to come. Vincent Gammill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
There was some discussion of whether or not CS antibiotics cancel each other out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? Shelly, CS and antibiotics do not cancel each other out. This is definitive. You can take it to the bank. SNIP Vincent Gammill Sorry to prove you wrong but it did cancel out the effects of the antibotics in me and I had to quit taking the CS. The way that I know is the antibotics that I take give me energy and wake me up plus other things. With out them I sleep all the time. After about 2 weeks I started going down hill and the antibotics wasn't working any more. About 2-3 days after I stopped the CS they started working again. Some people haven't had problems with mixing the two and I think that it makes a difference in the type of antibotics that the person is taking. Myself I was on floxin and zithromax at the time. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Shelly asked: There was some discussion of whether or not CS antibiotics cancel each other out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? Vincent Gammill replied: CS and antibiotics do not cancel each other out. This is definitive. You can take it to the bank. Reid retorted: Sorry to prove you wrong but it did cancel out the effects of the antibotics in me and I had to quit taking the CS. ... Hello Vincent! You just saw the perfect example of why we *never* spout absolutes in this forum. Well, maybe not *never!* GRIN There is so much diversity of experience among our members that there will be exceptions to nearly every assumption you can make. You wrote: What is the usual metabolic fate of CS? We've got clues that it ultimately clears the body in the feces... How long does it last until it is oxidized to Ag+ ?? And then does it preferentially form an oxide ... , an ionic salt ... , lock on to any endogenous chelating anions or diols c., or is it simply snatched up by albumin or other protein? I don't think we know for sure what chemical form it is in even in the *bottle*, let alone once it gets into our systems. Scary, huh? How would it attack various microorganisms of interest--especially those that are cell wall deficient? There is generally reported some mumo-jumbo about interfering with enzymes involved in oxygen uptake, mumble, mumble... hands waving fitfully in the air, eyes opening wide... G What about the odd oxidation states of Tetrasil (+2 and +4) as the oxide and is it truly antiviral? I've never heard of Tetrasil. As to being antiviral, some anecdotal evidence points that way, some doesn't. I know that viral infections like colds run their normal course in me once they get started, but they *do not* advance to secondary bacterial infections. So the outcome is generally much improved by CS use. You'll frequently hear from folks who say they can stop a cold if they hit it with CS when they *first* note symptoms. Silver salts can be reduced into several allotropes. Is there a difference in physiological effects? I can give a pretty good guess at some of these answers. Is there anyone else out there who'd like to sort it all out? Vince, we're mostly non-professional inquirers here. We've all stumbled on this colloidal silver stuff that, despite the hype and disinformation on both sides, seems to work, sometimes pretty remarkably. We're doing our best to separate fact from fiction and share what we've learned. The marketers have muddied the waters with hype and unfounded claims. On the other side are self appointed debunkers whose fear-mongering does not hold up under even minimal scrutiny. What's left is the accounts of the folks who have had CS work wonders for them. *That* is why I'm here, trying to help unravel the mess. There is no contemporary, organized body of scientific research on CS. The mainstream establishment has mostly ignored it as part of the fringe, and sometimes has acted to suppress the information. There are a few tendrils of modern research that relate to what we know, but they're few and show no signs of being well funded or gaining any significant following in the scientific community. The bulk of the data we have is anecdotal testimony and some minimal experimental trials and analyses. Any insight you wish to share with us is welcome. Bear in mind that some of us have at least workable scientific and technical backgrounds, while others are not so trained. Many have a lot of experience with CS and other alternatives, and have seen what they will do. In any case, you'll recieve a respectful reception if you want to help us figure it all out. The long term goal is understanding, both scientific and clinical. Near term, we want to be sure the best information is availabe to those who need it. Be well, Mike Devour list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Shelley Charlesworth charleswo...@access1.netwrites: To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS antibiotics Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:32 AM There was some discussion of whether or not CS antibiotics cancel each other out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? Shelly, CS and antibiotics do not cancel each other out. This is definitive. You can take it to the bank. I do have a question or two for all you shinolas out there in Listland. What is the usual metabolic fate of CS? How long does it last until it is oxidized to Ag+ ?? And then does it preferentially form an oxide (thereby making it an excellent redox catalyst), an ionic salt (e.g., to Cl-), a ligand, lock on to any endogenous chelating anions or diols c., or is it simply snatched up by albumin or other protein? Or even by GSH (reduced glutathione)? How would it attack various microorganisms of interest--especially those that are cell wall deficient? What about the odd oxidation states of Tetrasil (+2 and +4) as the oxide and is it truly antiviral? Silver salts can be reduced into several allotropes. Is there a difference in physiological effects? I can give a pretty good guess at some of these answers. Is there anyone else out there who'd like to sort it all out? Vincent Gammill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics
There was some discussion of whether or not CS antibiotics cancel each other out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? Shelley -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
